FCS playing fake schools

[downbythebeach]

http://www.13newsnow.com/story/news/local/2015/08/21/football-players-call-foul--alleged-va-beach-coach/32144091/

A news story out of VA about a "college" team and players from out of town that thought they were recruited to a legit school.

So there is a handful of fake colleges that are recruiting players from throughout the country to make money off of guarantee visit games/pad people's egos.
Five FCS teams and a bunch of D2 and D3 are playing fake schools this year (university of faith & college of Faith)
I checked out a couple of the fake college websites, and they use traditional stock photos of college scenes as their own.

I thought about putting SFU on blast on their facebook over this, but haven't yet. Most of the fans/alumni have no idea about this, and I would have to imagine that this could also be a huge liability to these schools as it is reported that none of these teams have an athletic training staff. (concussion)

These are the teams that play fake/non countable games in 2015
Valpo
Houston Baptist
Texas Southern
Saint Francis
Prairie View A&M

[skinny_uncle]

Is the University of Phoenix on the schedule?

[downbythebeach]

LOL.
How you gonna be an FCS team and play against a made up school? It's a bad look for the whole division.

- - - Updated - - -

...and Valpo might lose:D

[bonarae]

Definitely a bad look for the FCS teams playing those schools. Why did SFPA not reach out to any D2 or D3? CCSU had to play a D3 a few seasons ago due to scheduling problems with the other FCS and D2's in their region.

Regulation has to be done down the road to prevent such "semi-pro"-type teams from forming in the first place and something has to be done to the scheduling process as well.

[bkrownd]

Reminds me of exhibition teams that IIRC are not unusual on basketball and ice hockey schedules.

I've also been to games between NCAA teams and college club teams.

[RootinFerDukes]

I looked up st Francis' schedule and I see they play university of faith. From what I can gather, they're an online university in Florida that has a football team.
Will a football team show up and play, I'm assuming?
One could argue that some schools that masquerade as universities are of such poor quality that they're essentially fake.

[bonarae]

One could argue that some schools that masquerade as universities are of such poor quality that they're essentially fake.

It's the point that even the NCAA can't even help itself to stop its member schools from scheduling "run-of-the-mill" schools. The non-counting of such games by the Association is but a first step...

[Catsfan90]

It's the point that even the NCAA can't even help itself to stop its member schools from scheduling "run-of-the-mill" schools. The non-counting of such games by the Association is but a first step...

It still blows my mind that schools are still scheduling these teams even though they do not count. I just don't see the point.

[SFA 93]

University of Faith Glory Eagles (Tampa Bay, Florida)
http://www.tampabay.com/resources/images/dti/rendered/2014/11/a4s_FAITHFOOTBALL110214C_14123317_8col.jpg
http://www.tampabay.com/resources/images/dti/rendered/2014/11/0434611155_14123320_8col.jpg
http://jacksonville.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/slideshows-wide/spt_2EdwardWatersVsUofFaith.jpg

[RootinFerDukes]

When you say that the game doesn't count, do you literally mean that a win or loss will not be registered in their season record? If so, yeah you might as well save money, time and injury risk and just have a bye week and a 10 game schedule.
I'm sure the win doesn't count towards the playoffs, along with any D2/D3/NAIA games.

[caribbeanhen]

to think these potential college students are so easily dupped.... one might think that football is actually more important than attending your online class ....

[CHIP72]

It still blows my mind that schools are still scheduling these teams even though they do not count. I just don't see the point.

I think the point is they help fill out the schedule for teams that struggle to fill their schedules, provide another home game (I think playing "road" games against these teams is nuts though), and probably provide an easy win for programs that aren't very good. For low-level D-IAA/FCS schools in particular that aren't located near many Division II schools, these games against "fake" schools do serve a purpose.

[caribbeanhen]

I looked up st Francis' schedule and I see they play university of faith. From what I can gather, they're an online university in Florida that has a football team.
Will a football team show up and play, I'm assuming?
One could argue that some schools that masquerade as universities are of such poor quality that they're essentially fake.



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I thought you were kidding, wow, keep an eye on that game!

[Catsfan90]

I think the point is they help fill out the schedule for teams that struggle to fill their schedules, provide another home game (I think playing "road" games against these teams is nuts though), and probably provide an easy win for programs that aren't very good. For low-level D-IAA/FCS schools in particular that aren't located near many Division II schools, these games against "fake" schools do serve a purpose.

I get that but if a school needs to schedule these fake schools to fill a schedule, or to actually win a game than they have no business playing Division 1 football.

[bonarae]

When you say that the game doesn't count, do you literally mean that a win or loss will not be registered in their season record? If so, yeah you might as well save money, time and injury risk and just have a bye week and a 10 game schedule.
I'm sure the win doesn't count towards the playoffs, along with any D2/D3/NAIA games.

Yes, for the NCAA's purposes, that game is not registered on their record. But for internal team purposes, it still may be, but only for the team's use.


I think the point is they help fill out the schedule for teams that struggle to fill their schedules, provide another home game (I think playing "road" games against these teams is nuts though), and probably provide an easy win for programs that aren't very good. For low-level D-IAA/FCS schools in particular that aren't located near many Division II schools, these games against "fake" schools do serve a purpose.

I agree with your view. However, the NCAA is concerned about the "academic quality" of those schools that they even try to regulate athletic contests against those schools. In a related document regarding "countable opponents" (not sure if still available on the public website), there are even JUCOs in the non-countable list! xeekx

[bonarae]

I get that but if a school needs to schedule these fake schools to fill a schedule, or to actually win a game than they have no business playing Division 1 football.

That's why I call these fake schools the modern-day version of semi-pro teams. We are not sure how they even go through the loopholes... xchinscratchx

[Sitting Bull]

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I thought you were kidding, wow, keep an eye on that game!

i give it three years and you will see College of Faith in the Sun Belt.

[Catsfan90]

haha this article is gold:

http://www.tigermag.com/2009/10/future-of-princeton-football-uncertain-after-devry-loss/

[KPSUL]

University of Faith Glory Eagles (Tampa Bay, Florida)

http://jacksonville.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/slideshows-wide/spt_2EdwardWatersVsUofFaith.jpg

The coach looks like a 3 star recruit, great muscle mass and definition and better vertical than the defensive back!

[SU DOG]

This topic was also discussed back in February here on AGS. Ridiculous to think any FCS would schedule them.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?167597-Three-FCS-schools-scheduled-College-of-Faith-for-next-season

[aceinthehole]

Definitely a bad look for the FCS teams playing those schools. Why did SFPA not reach out to any D2 or D3? CCSU had to play a D3 a few seasons ago due to scheduling problems with the other FCS and D2's in their region.

Regulation has to be done down the road to prevent such "semi-pro"-type teams from forming in the first place and something has to be done to the scheduling process as well.

Exactly - this is inexcusable for SFPA or any of the FCS team listed. You should never schedule a game if it is not a NCAA or NAIA school. If I were the AD, I would just stick with a 10-game schedule instead of this game. I can't imagine the liability issues if someone from either team gets seriously injured.

In the NEC, we now have just a 6-game conference schedule, so I expect every team to have 1 non-FCS opponent as a home game. This year CCSU hosts D-II Bowie State, Bryant hosts D-II American International, Sacred Hearts hosts D-II Saint Anselm, but this matchup for Saint Francis is an embarrassment. I hope the NEC steps in prevents this from happening again!

[downbythebeach]

There is an article on the Web somewhere that says that these teams do not have athletic training staff. That has to be a huge liability. NCAA teams have so much needed focus on concussions, coaches and players are usually gonna decide to play through the pain.
If one of these players get hurt, and this is not a recognized NCAA games, I would imagine the responsible party would be the FCS school. Especially when they know they do not have a training staff.

[Catsfan90]

There is an article on the Web somewhere that says that these teams do not have athletic training staff. That has to be a huge liability. NCAA teams have so much needed focus on concussions, coaches and players are usually gonna decide to play through the pain.
If one of these players get hurt, and this is not a recognized NCAA games, I would imagine the responsible party would be the FCS school. Especially when they know they do not have a training staff.

Plus I can guarantee these teams have little to no assets. So it would have to fall on the FCS team.

[hebmskebm]

All of the scheduled games FCS schools have against these fake schools were made BEFORE the NCAA announced they wouldn't count. After the announcement was made a number of schools from all divisions (including ETSU and Davidson) quickly made other arrangements and got out of their fake school games. Now these games shouldn't have been scheduled in the first place, but they were originally put together because 1. They thought they would count and 2. A cheap home game and an easy win. The schools that kept them on the schedule this year probably did so because they couldn't find anyone else to play on short notice.

I would bet that by next year the number of FCS games (and possibly all NCAA games) against the fraud schools will drop to zero.

[melloware13]

For SFPA, it's not like they don't have DII close by. The farthest PSAC school from Loretto (East Stroudsburg) is still able to bus and be less money (also probably have more fans come) than UFaith.

[Bam]

EKU v Valpo on Sept 3, then NC State. Damn let our guys feel good for one week!

[Libertine]

For SFPA, it's not like they don't have DII close by. The farthest PSAC school from Loretto (East Stroudsburg) is still able to bus and be less money (also probably have more fans come) than UFaith.

Two things: A) Not in late September. The PSAC is always well into conference play by then. B) There is no way in the world that ESU would have taken less money than U of Faith. UoF is probably getting just enough money to cover gas, a night's stay in the local motel and a hearty ham sandwich on the way home.

[ElCid]

While any comparison to what these games represent now as to what they may have represented a hundred yeas ago is pointless, I find it interesting that most schools have done this at one time or another in their history, usually early on in a program. That is, play what is a questionable opponent to fill out the schedule. It is obviously a different time now.

Just for entertainment purposes I list a few of opponents The Citadel played early on. These plus a lot of High Schools every couple years back then. I think the one I am most curious about is the West End Amateurs. Obviously a lot of military connections as well.

1905 Fort Moultrie
1906 College of Charleston (oh wait, I guess they are sort of a real school)
1907 Medical College of SC
1909 West End Amateurs
1909 Parris Island Marines
1910 Charleston Navy
1919 USS Mercy
1923 Fort Bragg

[downbythebeach]

Two things: A) Not in late September. The PSAC is always well into conference play by then. B) There is no way in the world that ESU would have taken less money than U of Faith. UoF is probably getting just enough money to cover gas, a night's stay in the local motel and a hearty ham sandwich on the way home.
Probably right. We played and beat Lincoln and Clarion, two PA public U's, in the last four years.
This U of Faith team just had a game yesterday and lost by 70 to a NAIA team called Edward Waters. Hardly deserving of a hearty ham sandwich.

[aceinthehole]

Probably right. We played and beat Lincoln and Clarion, two PA public U's, in the last four years.
This U of Faith team just had a game yesterday and lost by 70 to a NAIA team called Edward Waters. Hardly deserving of a hearty ham sandwich.

I have no doubt that the Frankies tried every D-II and D-III program in PA and the region. I bet they just could get the dates to work with anyone. I understand how hard it is to get enough games (especially at home) - that is not my issue.

The options are very simple:
A) 10-game schedule (4 Home/6 Away)
B) 11-game schedule, including a 5th home game vs. "Univ. of Faith"

The answer is A, period. The extra home game doesn't do anything for the budget of Red Flash football and has no impact on their season. It is a HUGE mistake to schedule and play this game under any circumstances.

The more I think about it, the more I hope the NEC steps in and stops it this year, if possible, and certainly prevents it from happening again. I'm not a fan of the non-conference games that Duquesne scheduled this season vs. Kentucky Christian (NAIA/Mid-South) and Alderson Broaddus (D-II/Great Midwest), but they are infinitely better than a game vs. "University of Faith"

[bkrownd]

Let the kids play. The schools being criticised would probably not even be playing football in D1 if the NCAA gave them a choice. Let them choose their own schedules. They aren't getting any unethical benefit out of this. They get a home game, and their opponents get to travel and play some football. What's important is that people enjoy a friendly football contest between a bunch of guys playing hard for pride and honor.

[Grizzlies82]

Yeah, you guys are being way too hard on these fake schools. This is a money game to them.

How in the heck do you think they pay for their online classrooms????

[bjtheflamesfan]

Well Liberty would have been more than glad to schedule the Red Flash on the 26th. As it is, we are heading to Carbondale to play Southern Illinois

[2ram]

Let the kids play. The schools being criticised would probably not even be playing football in D1 if the NCAA gave them a choice. Let them choose their own schedules. They aren't getting any unethical benefit out of this. They get a home game, and their opponents get to travel and play some football. What's important is that people enjoy a friendly football contest between a bunch of guys playing hard for pride and honor.

they're going to get hurt, some maybe even killed.

those games shouldn't be played, it's borderline negligent.

[bkrownd]

Holy Hyperbole Batman!

[andthehomeofthe-BIZON-]

haha this article is gold:

http://www.tigermag.com/2009/10/future-of-princeton-football-uncertain-after-devry-loss/

This is hilarious

[bjtheflamesfan]

After JMU bought out/postponed/cancelled/whatever you want to think, the game is not happening this year...My thought was for our AD to find another home game to tip the balance on our schedule. While I was glad to see SIU as the 11th game, I woud have liked to have another home game this year. I'm sure SFPA or any of those schools could have gotten him on the phone and worked something out

[CHIP72]

Two things: A) Not in late September. The PSAC is always well into conference play by then. B) There is no way in the world that ESU would have taken less money than U of Faith. UoF is probably getting just enough money to cover gas, a night's stay in the local motel and a hearty ham sandwich on the way home.

I'd also guess many of the PSAC teams could beat St. Francis. The Red Flash would probably need to schedule Seton Hill, Cheyney, maybe Millersville, or maybe Lock Haven to make it more likely they'd get a win.

[hebmskebm]

For 2016 no FCS schools scheduled any of the Colleges/Universities of Faith. By my estimation, the only "exhibition, stats don't officially count" game scheduled by a FCS school this season is Grambling vs. Virginia-Lynchburg.

[bonarae]

For 2016 no FCS schools scheduled any of the Colleges/Universities of Faith. By my estimation, the only "exhibition, stats don't officially count" game scheduled by a FCS school this season is Grambling vs. Virginia-Lynchburg. A huge improvement. But zero is our goal, right? xcoffeex

[DFW HOYA]

Are sprint football teams also ineligible? What if Davidson scheduled the Penn lightweights?

[BisonFan02]

Are sprint football teams also ineligible? What if Davidson scheduled the Penn lightweights?

When are you guys going to fund a FCS football team?

[OSBF]

Something similar to this going on in the IHSA, Illinois High School Athletic Association, here in Illinois

Group of Homeschoolers have a "team" and have been allowed to schedule games

When they showed up to play here they got out of a couple of mid 80's 15 pass vans

I think they had 15 players and 2 coaches, no training or medical staff

Score was something like 56-0 at half, and we had yet to attempt a pass

Our coach asked their coach to just stop before somebody got hurt or worse, but they wanted to come back out and play

we did nothing but take a knee entire 2nd half, thank god for the running clock

I've never in all my years of enjoying watching football seen such a beating

Not good for anyone involved

[DFW HOYA]

Are sprint football teams also ineligible? What if Davidson scheduled the Penn lightweights?


When are you guys going to fund a FCS football team?

Davidson?

[BisonFan02]

Davidson?

Them too.

[JSUSoutherner]

When are you guys going to fund a FCS football team?
Whenever they get the GoFundMe page finished.

[Panther88]

What's ironic is the attempted snub D-I FCS fans attempt to thumb on the "fake schools" is the EXACT same mindset D-I FBS P-5 members feel about D-I FCS no-namebranded schools lol. Funny isn't it? The snubbed is snubbing lol.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

What's ironic is the attempted snub D-I FCS fans attempt to thumb on the "fake schools" is the EXACT same mindset D-I FBS P-5 members feel about D-I FCS no-namebranded schools lol. Funny isn't it? The snubbed is snubbing lol.

These are fake f'n schools dude. If you want to pretend feel free but it ain't the same at all. The College of Faith article put out last year showing how poorly attended to the players are is just no sort of thing any of us should want to see for the athletes.

Now if you are talking about the way some FCS fans look at D2 or D3, then yes, that is the same.

[POD Knows]

These are fake f'n schools dude. If you want to pretend feel free but it ain't the same at all. The College of Faith article put out last year showing how poorly attended to the players are is just no sort of thing any of us should want to see for the athletes.

Now if you are talking about the way some FCS fans look at D2 or D3, then yes, that is the same.

I don't think that "snubbing" a fake school, S of F, is what is bothering P88 on this subject but I could be wrong.

[Bisonoline]

What's ironic is the attempted snub D-I FCS fans attempt to thumb on the "fake schools" is the EXACT same mindset D-I FBS P-5 members feel about D-I FCS no-namebranded schools lol. Funny isn't it? The snubbed is snubbing lol.

Come on dude that not even low hanging fruit. Thats an absurd analogy.

[IBleedYellow]

You all might want to check out this Ask My Anything on Reddit.com/r/cfb from a Coach for the College of Faith.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/4m1lt0/i_am_alex_helms_former_assistant_coachacademic/

[BisonFan02]

Whenever they get the GoFundMe page finished.

Hey now.... xlolx

[Hammerhead]

Many teams also play BYU's secondary campus called Brigham Young Extension = BYE.

[mvemjsunpx]

You all might want to check out this Ask My Anything on Reddit.com/r/cfb from a Coach for the College of Faith.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/4m1lt0/i_am_alex_helms_former_assistant_coachacademic/


I particularly like this quote:


The other teams would quietly ridicule the team, but by halftime it typically became apparent that they weren't having any fun either.

[Panther88]

I don't think that "snubbing" a fake school, S of F, is what is bothering P88 on this subject but I could be wrong.

Expound POD. I think you and I are here together.

[POD Knows]

Expound POD. I think you and I are here together.

Your original post was so ridiculous and off the wall that there has to be another issue involved. Your analogy of the FCS snubbing CoF and making the comparisons you did makes no sense. What are you trying to say exactly because if you were serious in your post, then, whatever.

[melloware13]

Even within the category of non-countable schools, there's a wide range from completely fake (CoF) to legitimate school that lost accreditation (VU-L). However, a school that loses accreditation due to money problems probably shouldn't be paying for a football team during that time.

[JSUSoutherner]

Hey now.... xlolx
You're a All Star?

[mmiller_34]

Hey now.... xlolx


You're a All Star?

Get your game on, go play.

[LeopardBall10]

Get your game on, go play.
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[DFW HOYA]

Here's a Division II team with not one, but two of these games in 2016:

http://www.malonepioneers.com/schedule.aspx?path=football

[Catatonic]

FCS teams playing Fake Universities: Does Trump U play football? xeyebrowx

[Catsfan90]

FCS teams playing Fake Universities: Does Trump U play football? xeyebrowx
Here's the story with Trump U football folks. Many of the greatest coaches; Bobby Knight endorsed me the other day. Many of the greatest coaches say that Trump U has the best football. Do we love our football? Of course we do! Wow! So I heard about this loser team called NDSU right? Complete light weights. Folks these are some real nasty guys! Trump U will not only play them, but Trump U will win. And win big league, I can promise you that. Folks, We're gunna win win win, win so much you're gunna say; stop winning, I can't take it anymore!

[Panther88]

Your original post was so ridiculous and off the wall that there has to be another issue involved. Your analogy of the FCS snubbing CoF and making the comparisons you did makes no sense. What are you trying to say exactly because if you were serious in your post, then, whatever.

I'm careful not to demean lest I position myself to be demeaned. D-I FBS schools, administrators, AND fans HABITUALLY demean/snubb D-I FCS schools kinda' sorta' like the attitude some are projecting. That's what I find funny. Those that are considered trash are attempting to call others trash. I guess their trash is much worse than your trash :D . I do agree that no schools should be scheduling any of those "online universities" who piece together football teams.

Sincerely, any D-I FBS P5 graduate or administrator/staffer :D

[POD Knows]

I'm careful not to demean lest I position myself to be demeaned. D-I FBS schools, administrators, AND fans HABITUALLY demean/snubb D-I FCS schools kinda' sorta' like the attitude some are projecting. That's what I find funny. Those that are considered trash are attempting to call others trash. I guess their trash is much worse than your trash :D . I do agree that no schools should be scheduling any of those "online universities" who piece together football teams.

Sincerely, any D-I FBS P5 graduate or administrator/staffer :D

We are free to demean "programs" like CoF. I don't like it when someone demeans legitimate D2 or D3 programs, they work with what they have and make the best of it. The schools that schedule CoF and maybe others like that are really the ones that deserve the scorn.

[JayJ79]

For 2016 no FCS schools scheduled any of the Colleges/Universities of Faith. By my estimation, the only "exhibition, stats don't officially count" game scheduled by a FCS school this season is Grambling vs. Virginia-Lynchburg.

Does it even really matter who SWAC/MEAC/Ivy teams play OOC? They don't have to worry about building a resume for playoff selection, or hitting 6 qualifying wins for (fbs) bowl eligibility.

[kdinva]

Does it even really matter who SWAC/MEAC/Ivy teams play OOC? They don't have to worry about building a resume for playoff selection, or hitting 6 qualifying wins for (fbs) bowl eligibility.

xnodx

[Model Citizen]

Here's a Division II team with not one, but two of these games in 2016:

http://www.malonepioneers.com/schedule.aspx?path=football


Right, I see two NEC schools.

[DFW HOYA]

Does it even really matter who SWAC/MEAC/Ivy teams play OOC? They don't have to worry about building a resume for playoff selection, or hitting 6 qualifying wins for (fbs) bowl eligibility.

Playoff participation is not the be-all for these schools, nor should it be. And realistically, there are 20 more schools outside these conferences that will never be serious contenders for a playoff anyway.

[Catatonic]

Here's the story with Trump U football folks. Many of the greatest coaches; Bobby Knight endorsed me the other day. Many of the greatest coaches say that Trump U has the best football. Do we love our football? Of course we do! Wow! So I heard about this loser team called NDSU right? Complete light weights. Folks these are some real nasty guys! Trump U will not only play them, but Trump U will win. And win big league, I can promise you that. Folks, We're gunna win win win, win so much you're gunna say; stop winning, I can't take it anymore!

Love the Bobby Knight reference.

[POD Knows]

Love the Bobby Knight reference.

He has Lou Holtz on board as well, it is the greatest, winningest coaching staff ever.

[Panther88]

they work with what they have and make the best of it.

This is your response when speaking to a P5 grad regarding their P5 scheduling some d-I fcs squad for a sacrifice for its fanbase. True or false?

[BisonFan02]

This is your response when speaking to a P5 grad regarding their P5 scheduling some d-I fcs squad for a sacrifice for its fanbase. True or false?

Speak for yourself. Not all FCS athletic programs whore themselves out for a paycheck whenever they can.

[Catsfan90]

He has Lou Holtz on board as well, it is the greatest, winningest coaching staff ever.
The guy from NASCAR as well. Could you imagine the post game press conference if Trump was coach?

[Panther88]

Speak for yourself. Not all FCS athletic programs whore themselves out for a paycheck whenever they can.

Your squad will continue to run from the TRUE P5'ers in Ohio State, Alabama, Florida St, Clemson, et al , eh? I understand. Poor, poor powerhouse Iowa St and Kansas St, the D-I FCS pretenders, being beat upon by your squad and obviously they never scheduled ndsu. lol :D

[BisonFan02]

Your squad will continue to run from the TRUE P5'ers in Ohio State, Alabama, Florida St, Clemson, et al , eh? I understand. Poor, poor powerhouse Iowa St. lol :D

Need a map?

[Panther88]

Need a map?

Does ndsu need Kansas St to schedule them again? :D

[BisonFan02]

Does ndsu need Kansas St to schedule them again? :D

Got Iowa this upcoming season....really going "off the grid" out of the upper midwest with Oregon in 2020. Not many teams return calls....weird. xlolx

The map is the key....plenty of teams in the SE for the SEC schools to schedule...etc.

[JSUSoutherner]

Got Iowa this upcoming season....really going "off the grid" out of the upper midwest with Oregon in 2020. Not many teams return calls....weird. xlolx

The map is the key....plenty of teams in the SE for the SEC schools to schedule...etc.
You're more than welcome to come on down and get the SEC to cry. It was fun when we did it.

Hell, last time we didn't even win and they were completely traumatized.

When we beat Ole Miss it screwed with them so bad it ruined their ability to do basic math.

http://neveradoubtsports.com/remember-it-was-only-four-years-ago/

The JSU game was 5.5 years before this article, not four.

[Panther88]

Got Iowa this upcoming season....really going "off the grid" out of the upper midwest with Oregon in 2020. Not many teams return calls....weird. xlolx

The map is the key....plenty of teams in the SE for the SEC schools to schedule...etc.

Oregon University..."off the grid......" Got it. :D

[Thumper 76]

Oregon University..."off the grid......" Got it. :D

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[Panther88]

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Very. Bored.

[hebmskebm]

Here's a Division II team with not one, but two of these games in 2016:

http://www.malonepioneers.com/schedule.aspx?path=football

To be fair to Malone, they're leaving their current conference and joining a new one, but their new conference won't have football until 2017, so this was a transitionary, play-whoever-you-can-get-on-the-schedule type of year for them.

[dgtw]

To be fair to Malone, they're leaving their current conference and joining a new one, but their new conference won't have football until 2017, so this was a transitionary, play-whoever-you-can-get-on-the-schedule type of year for them.

Plus they suck and need all the help they can get.


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[DeltaDevil662]

Even within the category of non-countable schools, there's a wide range from completely fake (CoF) to legitimate school that lost accreditation (VU-L). However, a school that loses accreditation due to money problems probably shouldn't be paying for a football team during that time.

Then there are schools like Arkansas Baptist that don't count because the majority of the schools they play are not four year schools.

College of Faith, University of Faith and Champion Baptist (basketball) are completely fake/club teams