UND accepting nickname ideas

[melloware13]

UND is now accepting nickname ideas for the month, and I guess they'll use this as a list to decide from with their committee.

http://und.edu/nickname/

[BisonFan02]

UND is now accepting nickname ideas for the month, and I guess they'll use this as a list to decide from with their committee.

http://und.edu/nickname/

Anonymous submissions and public institutions that are subject to open records requests....what could possibly go wrong! xlolx

[FargoBison]

They should just go back to their old name...the Flickertails.....that fierce prairie rodent.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

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[PAllen]

The Politically Correct Sue?

[bonarae]

April Fools' idea? xconfusedx

But if it's not, the floor is finally opened up!

[Model Citizen]

Frackers!

20654

[clenz]

If it's not Rough Riders they fail.

[BisonFan02]

If it's not Rough Riders they fail.

It won't be because a local HS in Grand Forks already ended up taking that one.... :D

[clenz]

It won't be because a local HS in Grand Forks already ended up taking that one.... :D
dumb

[Laker]

It won't be because a local HS in Grand Forks already ended up taking that one.... :D

Same thing with the Green Wave- East Grand Forks has that. The color would have worked unless the Martians would be offended............

[centennial]

UND Fighting Okra
UND Slugs
UND Amazons
UND Camels
UND Greens
UND Kangaroos

[frozennorth]

It won't be because a local HS in Grand Forks already ended up taking that one.... :D

It frustrates me that the high school is going to prevent UND choosing what is the obvious choice. I'm gonna be an Oiler or some stupid marketing gimmick. Roughriders would at least have some pride and the puns would be amazing.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

It frustrates me that the high school is going to prevent UND choosing what is the obvious choice. I'm gonna be an Oiler or some stupid marketing gimmick. Roughriders would at least have some pride and the puns would be amazing.

Well, they thought of it almost 50 years ago, why the hell can't they keep it? UND has had decades to figure out a new name. Not RRHS fault.

[frozennorth]

Well, they thought of it almost 50 years ago, why the hell can't they keep it? UND has had decades to figure out a new name. Not RRHS fault.

I'm fine with sharing it and there is nothing to stop it. But it's beneath UND to take a high schools or some crap.

[clenz]

I'm not sure why a high school should keep the university from choosing a name that represents them.

Cedar Falls had a private school that was the "Cedar Falls, Northern University Panthers"...granted it was run by UNI.
Iowa City has the University Iowa Hawkeyes and Iowa City High City Hawks...use the exact same logo
Ames has the Iowa State University Cyclones and the Ames High Little Cyclones

Neither of those are university related.

[superman7515]

How about the Bison?

[gumby013]

Badlanders

Perfect name for a place with an aviation school.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I'm not sure why a high school should keep the university from choosing a name that represents them.

Cedar Falls had a private school that was the "Cedar Falls, Northern University Panthers"...granted it was run by UNI.
Iowa City has the University Iowa Hawkeyes and Iowa City High City Hawks...use the exact same logo
Ames has the Iowa State University Cyclones and the Ames High Little Cyclones

Neither of those are university related.

Like frozennorth said, is there so little imagination that they just take the name from the high school?

[Hammerhead]

They should just go back to their old name...the Flickertails.....that fierce prairie rodent.

Or just go with flickers.

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/693156/northdakotabird.gif

[clenz]

Like frozennorth said, is there so little imagination that they just take the name from the high school?
Imagination be damned...

If it fits and has support who gives a damn if a high school has it.

Look across the NCAA - you'll see there is almost no imagination...

The 12 most used names of four-year college teams: Eagles (76), Tigers (46), Bulldogs (39), Panthers (33), Knights (32), Lions (32), Bears (30), Hawks (28), Cougars (27), Pioneers (28), Warriors (27) and Wildcats (27). (This is ignoring adjectives such as purple, black, Nittany etc...)

[clenz]

If you want to go with just D1....NDSU makes the list of least imaginative mascots...

http://www.buzzfeed.com/whoiswillo/the-20-most-common-ncaa-division-i-mascots-6o16

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[NoDak 4 Ever]

I'd go back to "Farmers" in a second.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I never truly understood North Dakota's claim on Teddy Roosevelt. He basically moved out west on some call for adventure when he was young, stuck around a little while and tried to use his new bona fides in his political career then left after a bad winter.

He never did anything particularly great when in ND nor were any of the Rough Riders FROM ND.

He basically pulled a Poppy Bush (or other way around) and tried to position himself as not from the upper crust of New England for his political career.

[OhioHen]

Grab onto an official state symbol (the state horse) and confuse the heck out of people - UND Nokota.

[Mattymc727]

How about sticking an a between ND, becoming the NaDs. That way everyone can yell "Go Nads!" during the game and you can have a mascot thats a scrotum like RISD does.

[Mattymc727]

Frackers!

20654

I like the Frickin Frackers better

[clenz]

Grab onto an official state symbol (the state horse) and confuse the heck out of people - UND Nokota.
I actually don't hate that.

Get the logo to be something like one of the two jumping horses (from a profile POV)

https://nokotahorse.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/werner-nokota-346.jpg

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[walliver]

In the end, they most likely will go with a name that maximizes merchandise sales; i.e., a unique name with a unique trademark-able logo.

It just has to be something the people in INDIANapolis, INDIANa won't find offensive to Native Americans.

[Daytripper]

The Bulls.... Good tough name, and a shout out to the Native American heritage of the great Sitting Bull.

[centennial]

I still think the UND Fighting Okra's is the best name. Also before anyone points it out I know that is Delta State's Mascot.
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/aR5HAWX5IdA/maxresdefault.jpg

[FargoBison]

Just call them the UND Lakers in honor of Lakesbison.

UND sits in the middle of an ancient lake bed so it works.

[OL FU]

If you want to go with just D1....NDSU makes the list of least imaginative mascots...

http://www.buzzfeed.com/whoiswillo/the-20-most-common-ncaa-division-i-mascots-6o16

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I am fond of cougars

[Lehigh'98]

I'm fond of Engineers!!

[gregatim]

The Calvary with General George A Custer as the mascot. He spent about as much time in North Dakota as TR and well, I just like the irony behind it.

[RabidRabbit]

Tundra Warriors
Aeros
Bombers
Red River Raiders
Frost Giants
Ice Demons
Winter Horde
UNDucks
Valhallans
Ralphs

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Whatever it is, as long as it alliterates with "suck", we'll be just fine.

[clenz]

Tundra Warriors
Aeros
Bombers
Red River Raiders
Frost Giants
Ice Demons
Winter Horde
UNDucks
Valhallans
Ralphs
Warriors seems to be on the no go list as well

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[JayJ79]

Tundra Warriors
Frost Giants
Ice Demons
Winter Horde


White Walkers?
http://www.heyuguys.com/images/2014/03/the-white-walkers-march-forward-season-two-episode-ten-valar-morghulis-_158947-fli_1395149520.jpg

[clenz]

White Walkers?
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Racist... Only includes white people

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[bertram]

Grab onto an official state symbol (the state horse) and confuse the heck out of people - UND Nokota.

I like this idea, but the Big Sky Conference already has two schools with Mustang mascots (UC Davis and Cal Poly)

[nodak651]

I think we should sell the name for advertising revenue like soccer teams do: "North Dakota B-Dubs" or "North Dakota Red Bulls"

No matter what we choose, alumni and students will be upset, so we might as well make some coin...

[FargoBison]

I think we should sell the name for advertising revenue like soccer teams do: "North Dakota B-Dubs" or "North Dakota Red Bulls"

No matter what we choose, alumni and students will be upset, so we might as well make some coin...

North Dakota B-Dubs....Ursus will like that one.

[IBleedYellow]

Kraken.

Hear me out. In lore the Kraken was along the Scandinavian coasts and would take down their boats.


Then the UND fans could yell "Release the Kraken" at the beginning of games.

[Herder]

Mottos & Features:
Peace Garden State
Flickertail State
Roughrider State
Meadowlark - bird
Northern Lights - Aurora, Sky
Badlands
Red River Valley
Glaciers
Wheat & Sunflowers
Aviation
Oil

[bisoninloveland]

North Dakota Nordiques...Quebec sold them the rights to there name!:D

[clenz]

I like this idea, but the Big Sky Conference already has two schools with Mustang mascots (UC Davis and Cal Poly)
Both a wild horses...that's about it though

Davis is the Aggies - mascot doesn't really matter
Poly is the Mustangs
UND as the Nokotas


Thinking Davids or a Nokota would be the same as a Mustang nickname is like thinking Georgetown has a bulldog nickname


I actually really like Nokota the more I think about it.

[GABison]

Flyers

In consideration of their top notch aviation school, the local Grand Forks Air Force Base and, when you say it, you think of hockey.

[Eightyfourbison]

The Calvary with General George A Custer as the mascot. He spent about as much time in North Dakota as TR and well, I just like the irony behind it.

in honor of the Easter season, correct?

[clenz]

Flyers

In consideration of their top notch aviation school, the local Grand Forks Air Force Base and, when you say it, you think of hockey.
Also not bad.

I was thinking, on my way in to work this morning, about working aviation into it somehow. Hadn't thought of Flyers. Was thinking Pilots, but Portland has that already...would be interesting. Jets seems too unimaginative. Aviators isn't too bad.

So far I'd go with
Nokotas
Rough Riders
Cavalry
Aviators/Flyers/Pilots

[Laker]

nm

[Laker]

So far I'd go with
Nokotas
Rough Riders
Calvary
Aviators/Flyers/Pilots

I know it is Good Friday and Easter is Sunday, but you probably meant Cavalry. :D

[clenz]

I know it is Good Friday and Easter is Sunday, but you probably meant Cavalry. :D
Yup....


Damn

[DFW HOYA]

"The Fighting Zoo."

Oh, that wouldn't cause problems...

[tomq04]

The Carlyles, an old dominant football powerhouse at the turn of the 20th century, an all Indian school...i think it would be fitting.

[melloware13]

Warriors seems to be on the no go list as well

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Warriors is ok, as long as there's no Native American imagery. E. Stroudsburg (D-II, PSAC) is the Warriors, but they now have a bear as the actual mascot.

[clenz]

Warriors is ok, as long as there's no Native American imagery. E. Stroudsburg (D-II, PSAC) is the Warriors, but they now have a bear as the actual mascot.
Tell Marquette and their neutered nick name..


Warriors will be the next target after things like Indians, Sioux, etc... are gone - regardless logo

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Washburn University named their teams (and school) after Ichabod Washburn, a huge benefactor at the time.

How about renaming it Engelstad University and calling themselves the "Ralphs". I can see the imagery already.

[dmksioux]

"The Fighting Zoo."

Oh, that wouldn't cause problems...

Several people on siouxsports have suggested the Fighting Soo in recognition of the Soo Line railroad that runs through ND. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soo_Line_Railroad

[BisonFan02]

Several people on siouxsports have suggested the Fighting Soo in recognition of the Soo Line railroad that runs through ND. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soo_Line_Railroad

Yup.......that's clearly why. xlolx

[dmksioux]

Yup.......that's clearly why. xlolx

Hey, we are proud of our trains around here! xnodxxthumbsupx

As a side note, my high school's nickname came from the Hi-Line Bridge (train bridge). Go Hi-Liners!

[Model Citizen]

The school president reportedly said that continuing permanently without a nickname (i.e. branding as UND/North Dakota) is also a possibility. I think that would be a reasonable solution.

[BisonFan02]

The school president reportedly said that continuing permanently without a nickname (i.e. branding as UND/North Dakota) is also a possibility. I think that would be a reasonable solution.

Aka unofficially the Fighting Sioux forever....yup. That'll fly.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

The school president reportedly said that continuing permanently without a nickname (i.e. branding as UND/North Dakota) is also a possibility. I think that would be a reasonable solution.

To the detriment of their marketing and branding, yes.

[BisonFan02]

To the detriment of their marketing and branding, yes.

They don't care.

[clenz]

The school president reportedly said that continuing permanently without a nickname (i.e. branding as UND/North Dakota) is also a possibility. I think that would be a reasonable solution.
That was my first choice from the very beginning.


Brand yourself as THE University of North Dakota

[NoDak 4 Ever]

They don't care.

They do seem to want to cut off their nose to spite their face, don't they?

[FargoBison]

The school president reportedly said that continuing permanently without a nickname (i.e. branding as UND/North Dakota) is also a possibility. I think that would be a reasonable solution.

Possible but highly unlikely in my opinion.

[Missingnumber7]

Hard to post in this thread without making it smack, but I will try. I think that they have 2 real choices, a color or an animal. Although a reference to the Air Force wouldn't be horrible.

They could always be the Sugar Beeters

[FargoBison]

North Stars to me would be a good name for them but that might be too Minnesotan for their hockey fans. Flyers or Aviators would fit their school the best, I agree with that.

[Model Citizen]

To the detriment of their marketing and branding, yes.

Not necessarily. Think of all the college gear that is usually sold sans nickname: Duke, UCLA, Indiana (or IU), Gonzaga, Texas, etc.

UND is a proper logo. Don't sweat the nickname/mascot unless you have a good one.

[FargoBison]

Considering they are spending a small fortune on this process to find a nickname, I don't see them ending up without one.

[Twentysix]

The Bulls.... Good tough name, and a shout out to the Native American heritage of the great Sitting Bull.

They could always just go more direct and be the Fighting Hunkpapa.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Not necessarily. Think of all the college gear that is usually sold sans nickname: Duke, UCLA, Indiana (or IU), Gonzaga, Texas, etc.

UND is a proper logo. Don't sweat the nickname/mascot unless you have a good one.

I'm not. My team has a great one, nationally recognized.

[semobison]

They don't care.


Don't want to play them, say they are irrelevant, yet half the posts in this thread are from fellow Bison fans. If we quit talking or posting about them they would be irrelevant, on this board anyway. Well, at least some of you guys are keeping the rest of the country outside of the Big Sky informed that there are two DI programs in ND so their is less confusion. Personally, I don't give a rip what they want to call themselves.

[BisonFan02]

Don't want to play them, say they are irrelevant, yet half the posts in this thread are from fellow Bison fans. If we quit talking or posting about them they would be irrelevant, on this board anyway. Well, at least some of you guys are keeping the rest of the country outside of the Big Sky informed that there are two DI programs in ND so their is less confusion. Personally, I don't give a rip what they want to call themselves.

Yet you opened and posted in this thread....welcome to the offseason? I also have a wager/vested interest in UND NOT selecting a new moniker.... xlolx

[Bisonwinagn]

Aka unofficially the Fighting Sioux forever....yup. That'll fly.

This is exactly what I expect will happen. They said the nickname options will go to a public vote with no nickname included. I fully expect Sioux fans to go with nothing so they can continue to cheer for the Sioux and wear the jerseys. It will be mostly hockey fans voting and they're not changing even if a new nickname is passed. It will be 20-30 years before the fans stop saying Sioux in Grand Forks.

[Drblankstare]

I would stick with the aviation angle. How about the "Aces". Red Baron as the logo or maybe Snoopy. Or both

[gumby013]

I would stick with the aviation angle. How about the "Aces". Red Baron as the logo or maybe Snoopy. Or both

https://38.media.tumblr.com/0dd47096af69462c583690dd68160f98/tumblr_nm6hzphKmE1u8xyilo1_500.gif

[Drblankstare]

https://38.media.tumblr.com/0dd47096af69462c583690dd68160f98/tumblr_nm6hzphKmE1u8xyilo1_500.gif

I stand corrected. Lorne Malvo would be an outstanding mascot

[Catsfan90]

The volcanoes. Anytime they make a big play (man, those volcanoes are erupting right now!) They could have a massive paper machet volcano that's filled with baking soda, and vinegar can be added when touchdowns are scored

[underdawg]

"The Fighting NearCans" (for Near Canadians)

"Boys Named Sue"

"39ers"--they were 39th state accepted into Union

"Pikers"--state fish is North Pikes

"Terenos" --state wood

"Chokeberrys"--state fruit

"Elms"--state tree, but have mascot dressed up like Freddy Krueger

"Meadowlarks" --Western Meadowlarks are state tree

[bkrownd]

Coulee Cycos
Burning Green Flood
Frost Giants
Aurora Warriors
Beet Bandits
Arctic Express

[Mattymc727]

Maybe because GoT starts on Sunday, but White Walkers sounds more and more appealing to me.

Would that make Fargo the wall?

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Maybe because GoT starts on Sunday, but White Walkers sounds more and more appealing to me.

Would that make Fargo the wall?

A seemingly impenetrable barrier which you cannot possibly overcome? Sounds about right.

[Mattymc727]

A seemingly impenetrable barrier which you cannot possibly overcome? Sounds about right.

Or is Fargo more like Kings Landing?....

[Grizalltheway]

"The Fighting NearCans" (for Near Canadians)

"Boys Named Sue"

"39ers"--they were 39th state accepted into Union

"Pikers"--state fish is North Pikes

"Terenos" --state wood

"Chokeberrys"--state fruit

"Elms"--state tree, but have mascot dressed up like Freddy Krueger

"Meadowlarks" --Western Meadowlarks are state tree

Err, you mean bird?

[Twentysix]

Never heard of a chokeberry. I've had chokecherries though.

[BluBengal07]

Haven't looked at all of the pages, but here are some of my suggestions;

Roughriders - Theodore Roosevelt's first U.S. Volunteer Cavalry organized that fought in the Spanish-American War. Roughrider State was the state promotion in the 60s and 70s.

Frontiers - kind of self-explained with that.

Green Geese - Referenced to Kenmore Geese population, but it's still unique as an animal reference. Just throw in the green reference to help own it.

Lakers - Lake Sakakawea, Turtle Lake, Devils Lake, etc

Rockers - Seemed to be a lot of historic rocks there (through research)

[Laker]

The Bees- ND is the top producer of honey with 22%.

[clenz]

The Bees- ND is the top producer of honey with 22%.
The UND Bees...
UND Bees
ND Bees
D Bees
DBs



Yep...I can promise you that name won't happen.

[PAllen]

How about the ies.

"Today the UNDies lost another close contest."

[IBleedYellow]

How about the ies.

"Today the UNDies lost another close contest."

Holy ****. You're talking so much smack against them and you don't even know it. Their fanbase is known for saying "toe-to-toe" against teams that totally kicked their ass.

Gold.

[Hammerhead]

What about the millers with the state-owned Mill and elevator near campus? They could have a big grinding wheel that makes a revolution for every point scored.

[tribe_pride]

Just kind of switch it and be the Tribe. Apparently you can do that as long as you don't have any feathers in your logo.

[Bisonwinagn]

Haven't looked at all of the pages, but here are some of my suggestions;

Roughriders - Theodore Roosevelt's first U.S. Volunteer Cavalry organized that fought in the Spanish-American War. Roughrider State was the state promotion in the 60s and 70s.

Frontiers - kind of self-explained with that.

Green Geese - Referenced to Kenmore Geese population, but it's still unique as an animal reference. Just throw in the green reference to help own it.

Lakers - Lake Sakakawea, Turtle Lake, Devils Lake, etc

Rockers - Seemed to be a lot of historic rocks there (through research)

These are good, but a couple thoughts. MN is known for Lakers specifically the Minneapolis Lakers prior to moving to LA.
Roughriders is good so why not just go with Cowboys? I think it would be a great slap in the face and if Sioux is considered insulting then by default Cowboys can't be.

[mmiller_34]

Id like to see them go with a combination like.. Horned Northern Pikes, or the Fighting Flickertails.

[Eightyfourbison]

Ice Holes- great ice fishing in the region.

[BluBengal07]

These are good, but a couple thoughts. MN is known for Lakers specifically the Minneapolis Lakers prior to moving to LA.
Roughriders is good so why not just go with Cowboys? I think it would be a great slap in the face and if Sioux is considered insulting then by default Cowboys can't be.

"Roughriders" seems to be not has mainstream as "Cowboys". easier to connect ownership when used. outside of the historic connections... that was my high school mascot:D. our band even had the "Rough Rider hat" during marching season for a period of time(good times, however, our band director was taking a page out of the Madison Scouts; he was a former member)

[Laker]

How about the Peace Gardeners?

Fans could shout, "Peace on you!"

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Not gonna lie. We have a ton of funny **** on Roughriders. Way better than when we were in high school.

I fully endorse that name for UND.

[Missingnumber7]

How about the Peace Gardeners?

Fans could shout, "Peace on you!"

And their football team would be know as "Peace of S@$."

sorry couldn't resist.


I think this whole thing is a collassal waste of taxpayer money.

[Professor Chaos]

The Ill-Tempered Mutated Sea Bass

Mascot:

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/999861/dr-evil-o.gif

[Twentysix]

"Roughriders" seems to be not has mainstream as "Cowboys". easier to connect ownership when used. outside of the historic connections... that was my high school mascot:D. our band even had the "Rough Rider hat" during marching season for a period of time(good times, however, our band director was taking a page out of the Madison Scouts; he was a former member)

There is a CFL team in a bordering province that already uses that name. They might as well be the UND Vikings.

https://shmitzysays.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/saskatchewan_roughriders_feature.jpg

[SUPharmacist]

They might as well be the UND Vikings.


As someone of Scandinavian heritage I find that term offensive.

[UAalum72]

Maybe the Berserkers.

[Laker]

There is a CFL team in a bordering province that already uses that name. They might as well be the UND Vikings.


As someone of Scandinavian heritage I find that term offensive.

As a lifelong Minnesota Viking fan who has endured four Super Bowl losses, and even worse, playoff losses- I find it inoffensive, just like my team's ability to move the ball.............

[clenz]

As a lifelong Minnesota Viking fan who has endured four Super Bowl losses, and even worse, playoff losses- I find it inoffensive, just like my team's ability to move the ball.............
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25141830/all-time-nfl-power-rankings-for-all-32-franchises?FTAG=YHF7e3228e

[Hammerhead]

PETA might not like it, but the North Dakota Trappers or Fur Trappers would honor the first European residents of what is now North Dakota.

[mainejeff]

North Dakota Barons.

[bjtheflamesfan]

[QUOTEhttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/)=Twentysix;2219153]There is a CFL team in a bordering province that alreadyhttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/) uses that name. They might as well be the UND Vikings.

https://shmitzysays.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/saskatchewan_roughriders_feature.jpg[/QUOTEhttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/)]
Who's to say that you can't have more than one team with a given nickname? I kinda like the Roughriders (NDSU Bison smack notwithstanding)

[BluBengal07]

There is a CFL team in a bordering province that already uses that name. They might as well be the UND Vikings.

https://shmitzysays.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/saskatchewan_roughriders_feature.jpg

just not getting to this... this will not overlap Saskatchewan Roughriders, especially with ND being in a difference province. the lather is saying to do Cowboys. Cowboys is too established in NFL(Dallas) and college(Ok State). Roughriders will be more "original" and ND could create more ownership of the mascot in the mainstream.


guys, is there planning for the announcement of the new nickname?

[NoDak 4 Ever]

just not getting to this... this will not overlap Saskatchewan Roughriders, especially with ND being in a difference province. the lather is saying to do Cowboys. Cowboys is too established in NFL(Dallas) and college(Ok State). Roughriders will be more "original" and ND could create more ownership of the mascot in the mainstream.


guys, is there planning for the announcement of the new nickname?

It seems weird because it is also the name a high school only a couple minutes from campus. I don't know, as much as I love my old high school, I'd feel weird about the University adopting my old high school mascot.

[BluBengal07]

It seems weird because it is also the name a high school only a couple minutes from campus. I don't know, as much as I love my old high school, I'd feel weird about the University adopting my old high school mascot.

ooohhhhh, that's makes it different. that would be interesting. we see the elementary, middle and high school all named by the same person in a town, but the university linked in... that might seems weird. lol.

[AmsterBison]

From an old thread on Bisonville:

Well, I've come up with tons of good nicknames on this board and they haven't taken me up on any of them:

1. The Llamas


Pros: Looks like a goat from the back and who doesn't like llamas?
Cons: Doesn't kill Indians or bison

2. Las Chupacabras


Pros: Eats goats and Montana fans said our mascot looks like a goat wearing a shawl - you do the math
Cons: Eats goats

3. Small Pox


Pros: Killed a lot of Indians*
Cons: Sounds awfully close to an uncomfortable admission

4. Future Fargoans


Pros: Strikes fear into the hearts of NDSU fans
Cons: A mascot wearing a pizza delivery uniform is not very intimidating

5. Honyocks


Pros: It's in the tradition of obscure nicknames like Hoosier, Buckeyes, Sooners, Hawkeyes, Cornhuskers, etc that might have been insulting at one time, also the word apparently originated in North Dakota
Cons: Could be construed as a racial epithet - also, Honyocks describes a certain kind of farmer (and farmers are the last people UND wants to be associated with)

6. Honkers


Pros: According to some UND fans, the Canadian geese better represents North Dakota than bison
Cons: None

7. Mooninites:


Pros: Two mascots for the price of one, one is green, one is pink
Cons: Rendering 8-bit graphics will cause UND's super computer to smoke

8. Storm Troopers


Pros: They already have costumes for their mascot
Cons: They don't want anybody to remember they already have costumes for their mascot

9. The Prince Symbol (to represent the Team Formerly Known as the Sioux)


Pros: Take that, NCAA! and the Prince Symbol would fit on a helmet.
Cons: You don't want to piss off Prince

10. Sims


Pros: Good way to spread the message that 1/4 of their enrollment "attends" UND without ever setting foot in North Dakota and/or Grand Forks
Cons: Will just be begging people to insert a "p" between the "m" and "s"


* Apparently, a large number of pro-nickname have gone from saying how much they honor the Sioux to wanting a mascot that used to kill them

Also considered: A Syfy-movie-monster-of-the-week tie-in (so one week they'd be the Sharktopus, the next week they'd be the Pirahnacondas.) Also, anything with the word "Mullet" in it.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

ooohhhhh, that's makes it different. that would be interesting. we see the elementary, middle and high school all named by the same person in a town, but the university linked in... that might seems weird. lol.

The other high school in town had to drop "Redskins" some years back. I just know it was that when I was in school 25 years ago, I can't remember when they switched.

Must be something in the water up there.

[Twentysix]

Fighting Indians

Replace the logo with http://www.dphotographer.co.uk/users/14162/thm450/1320892083_IMG_5782%20copy%20(1).jpg

[UAalum72]

UND has released a list of 1,172 unique suggestions for potential nicknames

Grand Forks Herald (http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/local/3737515-und-releases-potential-nickname-suggestions)

[Model Citizen]

We may be looking at different lists. Not sure how many are unique suggestions. Most are repetitive and appear to have been submitted by the same person. Most are either Indian names or demands to go without a nickname.

Someone liked "Jets" enough to enter it a billion times. Just one guy, I think.

[UAalum72]

We may be looking at different lists. Not sure how many are unique suggestions. Most are repetitive and appear to have been submitted by the same person. Most are either Indian names or demands to go without a nickname.

Someone liked "Jets" enough to enter it a billion times. Just one guy, I think.
UND's Under Consideration List (http://und.edu/nickname/consideration-list.pdf) has I'm guessing close to 5000 names on it, so 1172 might be the unique count.

They also have a List not under consideration (http://und.edu/nickname/non-consideration-list.pdf) with maybe 12,000 names on it, over 5000 being "Fighting Sioux"

[Silenoz]

Fighting Flaxseeds

Winner.

[Model Citizen]

UND's Under Consideration List (http://und.edu/nickname/consideration-list.pdf) has I'm guessing close to 5000 names on it, so 1172 might be the unique count.

Got it. Thank you.

[BisonFan02]

The UND Fighting Merkins.....please oh please be that. xlolx

[Mattymc727]

That non-consideration list is a whole lot of free fun. Good job America.

[Laker]

The UND Fighting Merkins.....please oh please be that. xlolx

I went to school with Shannon Merkins until she moved away.............

[PAllen]

The fighting BooHoo.

[CasualFan]

That non-consideration list is a whole lot of free fun. Good job America.
That list is so much win. Way to own it, UND!

Link: http://und.edu/nickname/non-consideration-list.pdf

[centennial]

The non consideration list is full of win.

[Laker]

The non consideration list is full of win.

I'm wondering how many Bison fans contributed to the non-consideration list? Looks like quite a few.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I'm wondering how many Bison fans contributed to the non-consideration list? Looks like quite a few.

I thought about it but didn't follow through.

[clenz]

I'll bet lakes and jbb were 98 percent of them...jbb being most of the homophobic entries

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[NoDak 4 Ever]

I'll bet lakes and jbb were 98 percent of them...jbb being most of the homophobic entries

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Lakes and I have a mutual Facebook friend and we were responding to a post about this. He admitted to some of the names. It wasn't hard to do submissions so the only real impediment would have been his lack of wit.

[taper]

I'm wondering how many Bison fans contributed to the non-consideration list? Looks like quite a few.

Funny thing is a majority of the non-consideration list are serious submissions by UND fans. Mostly various versions and misspellings of Fighting Sioux.

Somebody suggested the Bears because no team in UND's conferences uses that name. Guess Northern Colorado doesn't count.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Funny thing is a majority of the non-consideration list are serious submissions by UND fans. Mostly various versions and misspellings of Fighting Sioux.

Somebody suggested the Bears because no team in UND's conferences uses that name. Guess Northern Colorado doesn't count.

xlolx

They could always go with Grizzlies then.

[BisonFan02]

xlolx

They could always go with Grizzlies then.

Nope.......sorry to say it, but Grizzlies isn't an option....

From the non-consideration list:






Grizzlies






Grizzlies






Grizzlies



because grizzlies are fierce






Grizzlies



It shows fierceness and strengh. It represents the northern United States. I don't believe another college has this name??






Grizzlies



Lewis And Clark discovered their first brown bear in North Dakota.






Grizzlies



on Lewis and Clark expedition first grizzly or brown bear was found in ND






Grizzlies



Predator of the bison, shows strength. Mascot that can be fierce but also a fun, unifying character.







Shares the same page with Halfpriced Apps and Growlers.

Meanwhile "Barn Swallows" is still in the running! xlolx

[Hammerhead]

http://www.inforum.com/news/3739459-und-nickname-committee-starts-cutting-names

I just hope Hammers didn't make the cut. My last name is Hammer and I would consider that nickname to be hostile and abusive.

[FormerPokeCenter]

Turtle Lake?

What about "The Turtles"....You could have Michaelangelo or Raphael as the mascot. They're already kinda green...


Haven't looked at all of the pages, but here are some of my suggestions;

Roughriders - Theodore Roosevelt's first U.S. Volunteer Cavalry organized that fought in the Spanish-American War. Roughrider State was the state promotion in the 60s and 70s.

Frontiers - kind of self-explained with that.

Green Geese - Referenced to Kenmore Geese population, but it's still unique as an animal reference. Just throw in the green reference to help own it.

Lakers - Lake Sakakawea, Turtle Lake, Devils Lake, etc

Rockers - Seemed to be a lot of historic rocks there (through research)

[BluBengal07]

http://www.inforum.com/news/3739459-und-nickname-committee-starts-cutting-names

I just hope Hammers didn't make the cut. My last name is Hammer and I would consider that nickname to be hostile and abusive.

My Roughriders are in the running. but committee "included" without the same process as the other, alphabetical review? should of kept it in the back pocket if more suggestions were needed. yea, "Rough Riders" is a lame layout. should of keep this point to yourself committee. silly.

[Twentysix]

Meh, I was hoping they would change their name to have something to do with winter, then add blue as a school color and change all their jerseys to be primarily blue.

[FormerPokeCenter]

In honor of UND's aviation program....How about The "Wild Blue Yonders"

Or, perhaps, "Aviators"....that would be fairly unique..

[FargoBison]

In honor of UND's aviation program....How about The "Wild Blue Yonders"

Or, perhaps, "Aviators"....that would be fairly unique..

Sadly for the aviation program "Badlanders" advanced to the next round. Not sure I would want to get on a plane if I asked my pilot where he was trained and he responded I was a University of North Dakota Badlander.

[taper]

Sadly for the aviation program "Badlanders" advanced to the next round. Not sure I would want to get on a plane if I asked my pilot where he was trained and he responded I was a University of North Dakota Badlander.

Funny thing is the aviation program is one of the few places "Sioux" is still in use by the university. It's the FAA approved call sign for all their planes at the flight school. But, this being UND, there's still controversy.

http://www.bakkentoday.com/event/article/id/35442/

Dean of aviation claims they tried to drop the Sioux name and the FAA refused. Exact quote “We’ve tried to retire it a couple of times,” and “In all cases, the FAA has asked us not to change it, and the reason is for safety.”

FAA spokeswoman had this to say in response: “They just need to talk to us and get it approved." “But there’s been no request for change that we know of,”

In addition the FAA made UND temporarily stop using Sioux for a week in 2005 after a pilot claimed confusion between "Sioux" and "Two" over the radio.

[Hambone]

The nickname committee has narrowed down the listing of names under consideration to 64. This is going to be a tough pill to swallow - not many on there that I can get behind right out of the gate, although eventually I'll be cool with whatever.

Highest vote getters (all got 4 or higher):


Nodaks – 7
Force - 6
North Stars - 6
Pride - 5
Spirit - 5
Sundog(s) - 4
Big Green - 4
Flames – 4



http://www.grandforksherald.com/sites/default/files/Nicknames-full%20list.pdf

[NoDak 4 Ever]

The nickname committee has narrowed down the listing of names under consideration to 64. This is going to be a tough pill to swallow - not many on there that I can get behind right out of the gate, although eventually I'll be cool with whatever.

Highest vote getters (all got 4 or higher):


Nodaks – 7
Force - 6
North Stars - 6
Pride - 5
Spirit - 5
Sundog(s) - 4
Big Green - 4
Flames – 4



http://www.grandforksherald.com/sites/default/files/Nicknames-full%20list.pdf

I'm all for Spirit or Sundogs. They both go with "suck" very easily.

[clenz]

The nickname committee has narrowed down the listing of names under consideration to 64. This is going to be a tough pill to swallow - not many on there that I can get behind right out of the gate, although eventually I'll be cool with whatever.

Highest vote getters (all got 4 or higher):


Nodaks – 7
Force - 6
North Stars - 6
Pride - 5
Spirit - 5
Sundog(s) - 4
Big Green - 4
Flames – 4



http://www.grandforksherald.com/sites/default/files/Nicknames-full%20list.pdfNodaks is the only one on that list I like...and we all know my opinion is the one that matters

[FormerPokeCenter]

They should pause, and consult internet malcontents like us, before proceeding any further with this whole nickname thing.

Nodaks has to be scratched from the list.

Even elementary school fans of other programs will be calling them the "No Dicks" five minutes after that nickname gets approved.

I swear....some people have absolutely NO ability to think strategically....

[OhioHen]

Have to love that one of the final 64 is "Bison Slayers."

[centennial]

I like Green Bombers

[IBleedYellow]

Aviation school that's known as the Bad Landers just makes me smile everytime I read it.

[TheKingpin28]

If they went with price this would be phrase around a lot.

The "pride" is horrible at UND.

[Twentysix]

If they went with price this would be phrase around a lot.

The "pride" is horrible at UND.

If they go with Pride will their new mascot be a Lion?

[BluBengal07]

The nickname committee has narrowed down the listing of names under consideration to 64. This is going to be a tough pill to swallow - not many on there that I can get behind right out of the gate, although eventually I'll be cool with whatever.

Highest vote getters (all got 4 or higher):


Nodaks – 7
Force - 6
North Stars - 6
Pride - 5
Spirit - 5
Sundog(s) - 4
Big Green - 4
Flames – 4



http://www.grandforksherald.com/sites/default/files/Nicknames-full%20list.pdf

Forgot...

Roughriders - 4

[Laker]

Well, they already have a flame in their image.

http://und.edu/identity/_files/images/index-graphic-logos.png?ox=

[SDFS]

I could take one of these which means that none of them will be options. We will end up with the spirit or the storm or green something.



Aeros


Aurora


Aviators


Cavalry


Charging Nokota


Nokota


Explorers


Fliers


North Stars


Wings

[Twentysix]

Cavalry is probably a bad choice because too many people, especially around ND prounce and spell it Calvary (which is an entirely different thing).

Nokota will probably end up in a lawsuit with the Nakota people.

That would be like becomeing the Soiux ;)

Aviators would be neat and unique. I still think it should be something winter related, change your primary color to blue.

[taper]

Nodak might be trouble.
nodak.com appears to be registered to Basin Electric, an electricity coop in western ND. Currently it's a blank white page with the title "A North Dakota Blizzard!"
nodak.org is parked by GoDaddy, should be easy to get.
nodak.edu is an alternate site for NDSU's main page. Good luck with that.

[Laker]

I wish that they had never left.

http://www.hockeynortheast.com/images/uploads/Logos/Northstar-Logo.bmp

[AmsterBison]

Please not the UND Cavalry because it's been put forth as a "screw you" to the tribes.

"We were honoring the tribes with the old nickname, but we're saying 'Screw you!' to them with the new one at the same time that we are claiming that the tribes actually want the name to stay."

At some point, you have to get your story straight.

[WTFCollegefootballfan]

http://www.inforum.com/news/3751923-possible-new-und-nicknames-made-cut-varying-reasons

[SUPharmacist]

http://www.inforum.com/news/3751923-possible-new-und-nicknames-made-cut-varying-reasons

I know that it has no shot of being selected, but I can't believe that article shows the committee advancing Bison Slayers. I thought both schools were still pretending they didn't care about the other.

[UncleBuck]

UND Cavalry marketing idea.

Retire the Sioux mascot once and for all by having a Sioux mascot run onto the field before the first game, only to be chased and cut down by a saber wielding cavalryman.

Heads would explode.

I have the feeling I will not like the name choice whatever it is. Hopefully it will be one that can grow on me.

Like our hockey team, the Minnesota Wild, I use a local radio station's term ManBearPigs.

[WTFCollegefootballfan]

Looks like Badlanders is leading here...http://www.inforum.com/basic-page/3751953-inforum-und-nickname-challenge

[clenz]

Honestly, every single one of those is terrible - with about 3 exceptions.

Nodaks is pretty good
Cavalry
Charging Nokota (drop the charging...though whatever...I'll never use the "charging" of it)
Warriors
Aviators


If anything other than one of those is chosen there was an epic failure

[dewey]

I laugh at the Bison Slayers...could they be more hung up on NDSU? LOL! Prairie Hawks or Flicker tails would be funny.

Dewey

[clenz]

I laugh at the Bison Slayers...could they be more hung up on NDSU? LOL! Prairie Hawks or Flicker tails would be funny.

Dewey

What's funny is that they are likely leaving that on there just to **** with people like you.

It's not, necissarily, that they are obsessed. I would bet that it's a bit of a poke but more to see how angry/bent up the Bison fans (who are known to be OH SO VERY rational) can/do get.

[NDSUSR]

What's funny is that they are likely leaving that on there just to **** with people like you.

It's not, necissarily, that they are obsessed. I would bet that it's a bit of a poke but more to see how angry/bent up the Bison fans (who are known to be OH SO VERY rational) can/do get.
No.. they are really obsessed.

[clenz]

I love that NDSU fans this it's a legitimate option for UND decision makers.

They are ****ing with you and you are falling for it.

[344Johnson]

I love that NDSU fans this it's a legitimate option for UND decision makers.

They are ****ing with you and you are falling for it.

Bison fans are very touchy people.

[NDSUSR]

I love that NDSU fans this it's a legitimate option for UND decision makers.

They are ****ing with you and you are falling for it.

"Falling for it". LOL. Dont be ridiculous.

[bisoninloveland]

Badlanders!....what the hell would the mascot be?.....I voted for thunderhawks

[SUPharmacist]

I love that NDSU fans this it's a legitimate option for UND decision makers.

They are ****ing with you and you are falling for it.

Of course it's not a legitimate option. But, the fact that the committee left it on the list to please some UND fans and rile up NDSU fans is classless. Moves like this on both sides are why there is such bad blood. While every fanbase has idiot fans obsessed with a rival you know there is no way most other programs would leave something like this on an official list of possibilities being considered.

[clenz]

Of course it's not a legitimate option. But, the fact that the committee left it on the list to please some UND fans and rile up NDSU fans is classless. Moves like this on both sides are why there is such bad blood. While every fanbase has idiot fans obsessed with a rival you know there is no way most other programs would leave something like this on an official list of possibilities being considered.
Classes?

I always kind of thought NDSU fans had an odd definition of classless, and the fact this is viewed as classless is pretty good evidence supporting my thought.

This is the same fan base, mind you, that calls UNI the Pink Pussies....That's okay though, because...well..it's in "good fun"....and mostly, because it's them doing it and not receiving it.

[SUPharmacist]

This is the same fan base, mind you, that calls UNI the Pink Pussies....That's okay though, because...well..it's in "good fun"....and mostly, because it's them doing it and not receiving it.

While I have not heard that UNI nickname, I am sure plenty of idiots use it. The main difference being the university is not putting out anything official with that on it.

[dewey]

While I have not heard that UNI nickname, I am sure plenty of idiots use it. The main difference being the university is not putting out anything official with that on it.

AGREED^^^ There is a big differrence between people talking smack from an internet message board versus an official university nickname search.

Dewey

[Libertine]

Just looking at that list, there sure are a lot of (as yet) unused Arena League team names on there.

[NDSUSR]

Classes?

I always kind of thought NDSU fans had an odd definition of classless, and the fact this is viewed as classless is pretty good evidence supporting my thought.

This is the same fan base, mind you, that calls UNI the Pink Pussies....That's okay though, because...well..it's in "good fun"....and mostly, because it's them doing it and not receiving it.

A little salty today?
Everyone that I know has respect for UNI.
The difference between UNI and UN_ is that UNI is relevant because they are a threat, UN_ is just sad and tragic.

[Bisonator]

Classes?

I always kind of thought NDSU fans had an odd definition of classless, and the fact this is viewed as classless is pretty good evidence supporting my thought.

This is the same fan base, mind you, that calls UNI the Pink Pussies....That's okay though, because...well..it's in "good fun"....and mostly, because it's them doing it and not receiving it.

I've never heard that one before. Plenty of purple pansies though. xlolx

[344Johnson]

I've never heard that one before. Plenty of purple pansies though. xlolx

Why not just the Panthers?

[clenz]

Why not just the Panthers?
Seems might classless, doesn't it?

[344Johnson]

Seems might classless, doesn't it?

I think it just seems pointless. Takes longer to say purple pansies than UNI. .. Or panthers. Might want to address them properly after the absolute domination that took place this past season.

[thebootfitter]

I voted for thunderhawks
Imagine the mascot if there were a nickname of "Thundercocks"!

[centennial]

Imagine the mascot if there were a nickname of "Thundercocks"!
http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steamcommunity/public/images/avatars/c9/c910d2b6c82dd566fa944511dffac385f5999075_full.jpg

[gotts]

Badlanders!....what the hell would the mascot be?.....I voted for thunderhawks

Bad Landers

Picture of a plane crashing?

[UncleBuck]

Maybe they should add Spiders to the list.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd68g0UDj60

[BisonTru]

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=20757&stc=1


Bad Landers

Picture of a plane crashing?

[bisoninloveland]

thundercocks and a plane crashing!.......I cant stop laughing.....priceless!

[SDFS]

It looks like several NDSU profs are upset about UND's potential choices for a nickname:

Other problematic candidates include Nokota, which sounds similar to Nakota, and Night Riders, which has racist connotations. We recommend having a representative group of American Indian delegates meet with the task force early in the selection process.

http://www.inforum.com/letters/3755844-letter-dakota-nickname-could-spell-more-trouble-und

[Bisonator]

It looks like several NDSU profs are upset about UND's potential choices for a nickname:

Other problematic candidates include Nokota, which sounds similar to Nakota, and Night Riders, which has racist connotations. We recommend having a representative group of American Indian delegates meet with the task force early in the selection process.

http://www.inforum.com/letters/3755844-letter-dakota-nickname-could-spell-more-trouble-und

More like trying to help UND not continue to look like pricks but whatever, carry on.

[clenz]

How would Nokota be racist?

Is it not a horse?

We finally did it, America.

We finally found a way to make a school trying to use an animal seem racist!

http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xap1/t51.2885-15/10513758_287532181427921_718103915_a.jpg

[jimbo65]

Thought to share something about "Indian" names. Let me start by saying I find nothing wrong with The Fighting Sioux as well as the Fighting Irish. Now the Lying Sioux or Irish is a different matter. When will the political correctness stop. Has anyone thought to take the city of Baton Rouge to task.. Baton Rouge is French for Red Stick. A red stick was a perjorative used to decribe the local indians for many many years. A letter writing campaign to Governor Jindall seems appropriate. Perhaps the National Assoc. of Cities (or whatever the correct name is)should expel Baton Rouge if the name is not changed.

[Hambone]

Oh ****......here are the final 15.

http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/3762985-und-committee-cuts-nickname-idea-list-more-half

[frozennorth]

I like sundogs

[clenz]

Those are all terrible except Cavalry and Nodaks


University of North Dakota North Dakota? Are you ****ing serious? Please tell me that means they will continue to go strictly as UND with no formal "nickname".

Spirit? Sundogs? Thunder Hawks?

JFC, UND. You make it so easy for people to dislike everything you do and just hope that everything turns out a failure so we can make fun of you.

I've gone from a UND defender to just hoping everything UND touches is a disaster all because it seems like everything always has to be some sort of big ordeal with a bunch of whiny dicks behind it.

You have a chance to get one thing right, one thing that is going to be extremely vital to branding your university going forward. If you pick something like "Spirit" or "Thunder Hawks" or "Sundogs" you deserve every bit of negativity, backlash and failure you get

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Those are all terrible except Cavalry and Nodaks


University of North Dakota North Dakota? Are you ****ing serious? Please tell me that means they will continue to go strictly as UND with no formal "nickname".

Spirit? Sundogs? Thunder Hawks?

JFC, UND. You make it so easy for people to dislike everything you do and just hope that everything turns out a failure so we can make fun of you.

I've gone from a UND defender to just hoping everything UND touches is a disaster all because it seems like everything always has to be some sort of big ordeal with a bunch of whiny dicks behind it.

You have a chance to get one thing right, one thing that is going to be extremely vital to branding your university going forward. If you pick something like "Spirit" or "Thunder Hawks" or "Sundogs" you deserve every bit of negativity, backlash and failure you get

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/19946558.jpg

[JSUBison]

Those are all terrible except Cavalry and Nodaks


University of North Dakota North Dakota? Are you ****ing serious? Please tell me that means they will continue to go strictly as UND with no formal "nickname".

Spirit? Sundogs? Thunder Hawks?

JFC, UND. You make it so easy for people to dislike everything you do and just hope that everything turns out a failure so we can make fun of you.

I've gone from a UND defender to just hoping everything UND touches is a disaster all because it seems like everything always has to be some sort of big ordeal with a bunch of whiny dicks behind it.

You have a chance to get one thing right, one thing that is going to be extremely vital to branding your university going forward. If you pick something like "Spirit" or "Thunder Hawks" or "Sundogs" you deserve every bit of negativity, backlash and failure you get

Some people just need to touch the oven to see if it's hot. REPEATEDLY.

[Southern Bison]

I vote for NoDaks...gives us a 2-fer since the house husband can't change her username!


Those are all terrible except Cavalry and NoDaks

JFC, NoDak(4E). You make it so easy for people to dislike everything you do and just hope that everything turns out a failure so we can make fun of you.

I've never been a NoDak(4E) defender & just hope everything Nodak(4E) touches is a disaster all because it seems like everything always has to be some sort of big ordeal with a bunch of whiny dicks behind it.

FIFY.

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[Laker]

Blaze

Cavalry

Explorers

Fighting Green

Fighting Hawks

Force

Green Hawks

Nodaks

North Dakota

North Stars

Pride

Roughriders

Spirit

Sundogs

Thunder Hawks

Spirit makes me think of some cheerleader group or a medium. I never even cared for the word pride. 8 & 9????

Blaze reminds me of a stripper. I'm not very excited about this list. I'd go with the North Stars.

[Model Citizen]

When this issue is finally settled, what are the chances that North Dakota eventually switches conferences to the Summit and MVFC?

[Hambone]

I'm going to damn near guarantee that two of the three finalists are Roughriders and Spirit.

Every single name that I have liked or thought I could warm up to quickly has been eliminated. I liked Norse/Norsemen and Roughnecks the best, but could have lived with Badlanders, Drillers and a few others that are no longer around. Not sure I even like any of the remaining finalists, with the exception of Cavalry and maybe Explorers I guess. Roughriders would probably be fine if not for the local high school having it. But, it is just a nickname so I'm sure I'll get over it.

I don't think it's a great idea to go without a nickname, and NoDaks can easily be turned into something else by the opposing fans. North Stars to me is a Minnesota and/or hockey thing (which is why it has support from some of the "hockey only" fans). Fighting Green - really? And what's with the love affair with XXXXX Hawks. Three variations of a hawk? And all the stupid inanimate objects.

[clenz]

When this issue is finally settled, what are the chances that North Dakota eventually switches conferences to the Summit and MVFC?
If the MVFC goes Big Sky route, and at this point I think they should, and goes from 10 to 12-14 teams I would say there is a good chance (assuming UND can find a way to mend whatever bridges are broken) and there is an eastern team or two added to cancel out another team in Canada

[Model Citizen]

The newspaper keeps changing the links. Here is the list of 15:



Blaze

Cavalry

Explorers

Fighting Green

Fighting Hawks

Force

Green Hawks

Nodaks

North Dakota

North Stars

Pride

Roughriders

Spirit

Sundogs

Thunder Hawks

[Model Citizen]

Forward, into the past...

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:j90ndnEbBaMJ:library.ndsu.edu/tools/dspace/load/%3Ffile%3D/repository/bitstream/handle/10365/20649/nds-1927-11-01-0.pdf%3Fsequence%3D1+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

[clenz]

Forward, into the past...

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:j90ndnEbBaMJ:library.ndsu.edu/tools/dspace/load/%3Ffile%3D/repository/bitstream/handle/10365/20649/nds-1927-11-01-0.pdf%3Fsequence%3D1+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
For real, out of that list Nodak(s) should absolutely run away with it with Cavalry lagging in second and then the same distance between second and third

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I doubt if that will go. I think they will just stick with North Dakota if they want to do that.

They do seem rather intent on running off the edge of a cliff, don't they? Maybe they should be lemmings.

[IBleedYellow]

These are ALL terrible and everyone involved should feel bad.

[GoAgs72]

I would have picked Wolves or maybe Bison Hunters

[344Johnson]

Flickertails. Cute little buggers, the state's nickname, original nickname at UND. This would have made too much sense.

Thoroughly enjoyed listening to co workers today talking about how they think they should just change how they spell sioux and call it good.

[GoAgs72]

The Soo Railroad went through the area. North Dakota Soo would be recognizing that fact.

[AmsterBison]

I propose that we change the name of 15 from fifteen to failteen.

Anyway, I'm very disappointed that Badlanders isn't on the list.

You'd think they'd pick Nodaks or Roughriders, but they are all about the hockey so North Stars and Force (the name of the minor league hockey team in Fargo) will get a lot of votes.

[Mattymc727]

I like the North Dakota Bumrush, cool logo too.

[dmksioux]

For real, out of that list Nodak(s) should absolutely run away with it with Cavalry lagging in second and then the same distance between second and third

Nodaks just seems lazy. We couldn't think of anything so we just shortened the state name.

I have Cavalry as second, however, many people spell it/say it wrong and it becomes Calvary. I also don't like the shortened name, Cavs. And The U. Of Virginia is very similar with Cavaliers.

One of North Dakota's unofficial nicknames is the Roughrider State, along with the Sioux State, and Flickertail State. Official nickname is the Peace Garden State. Also, the highest award the State of ND gives out is the "Roughrider" award. I know a local HS also has Roughriders as their name, but no one outside of ND knows this school exists in GF or that their name is the Roughriders. My choice is, based on what is left, would be Roughriders. This also seems the easiest to market, come up with logos for, etc.

[GoAgs72]

Roughriders sounds like a good choice to me also.

[clenz]

Nodaks just seems lazy. We couldn't think of anything so we just shortened the state name.

Would seem to fit then, wouldn't it.

[BisonBacker]

Would seem to fit then, wouldn't it.

xnodxxnodxxnodxxnodxxnodxxnodxxnodxxnodxxnodxxnodx xnodxxnodxxnodxxnodxxnodxxnodxxnodxxnodxxnodxxnodx xnodxxnodxxnodxxnodxxnodxxnodxxnodxxnodxxnodxxnodx

[dmksioux]

Would seem to fit then, wouldn't it.
:-) well played...

In all actuality, many were submitted. A committee then threw out many of them. I think the University of North Dakota Roughriders is a pretty decent option. Can also be shortened to 'Riders. There's w CFL team and some minor league teams with the name, but no other University or college uses it.

[thebootfitter]

Time to start a poll? Nah. We can let them do that on Sue Sports.

If I were to vote, though, I do think Roughriders would be my top choice. Ride 'em rough, boys! Ride 'em rough!

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I don't even see how it is a contest. It's Roughriders.

Hell you even get some extra shirt sales from HS students.

[Yote 53]

The problem with Roughriders is that it was, literally, the first name kicked out by one of the Native American individuals who opposed the Sioux nickname and fought to take it down. For that reason alone I see Roughriders getting resistance from long time Sioux proponents.

I think it ends up being Cavalry.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

The problem with Roughriders is that it was, literally, the first name kicked out by one of the Native American individuals who opposed the Sioux nickname and fought to take it down. For that reason alone I see Roughriders getting resistance from long time Sioux proponents.

I think it ends up being Cavalry.

What the hell do they have a say in this for? The name that not many affected opposed is gone so I guess I don't get how they get to weigh in on **** that has nothing to do with the old name? I mean they should be able to weigh in as any other individual can but other than that, nope.

[clenz]

What the hell do they have a say in this for? The name that not many affected opposed is gone so I guess I don't get how they get to weigh in on **** that has nothing to do with the old name? I mean they should be able to weigh in as any other individual can but other than that, nope.
That's not how political correctness works, you know that

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[dmksioux]

The problem with Roughriders is that it was, literally, the first name kicked out by one of the Native American individuals who opposed the Sioux nickname and fought to take it down. For that reason alone I see Roughriders getting resistance from long time Sioux proponents.

I think it ends up being Cavalry.
I don't recall that. If anything, the Cavalry should be the one that's eliminated as it was the Cavalry that fought the Native Americans. Anyone remember Custer?

Teddy and the Roughriders fought in the Spanish-American war. The Roughriders were also part of the volunteer cavalry.

Btw, the definition of a roughrider is "a person who breaks in or can ride unbroken horses." I know there are other urban dictionary definitions that aren't very flattering, but that shouldn't eliminate a name for consideration.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I don't recall that. If anything, the Cavalry should be the one that's eliminated as it was the Cavalry that fought the Native Americans. Anyone remember Custer?

Teddy and the Roughriders fought in the Spanish-American war. The Roughriders were also part of the volunteer cavalry.

Btw, the definition of a roughrider is "a person who breaks in or can ride unbroken horses." I know there are other urban dictionary definitions that aren't very flattering, but that shouldn't eliminate a name for consideration.

Could be a lot worse if it were barebackers.

It's settled then, it's Roughriders.xthumbsupx

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Could be a lot worse if it were barebackers.

It's settled then, it's Roughriders.xthumbsupx

We can definitely work with that.

http://www.b2bsupply.co/images/CONTEMPO%20CONDOMS%20ROUGH%20RIDER%20Hot%20Passion %2012.JPG

[Hammerhead]

Roughriders might be OK -- it's just too bad that Red River High School in Grand Forks already goes by Rough Riders. Green Wave is taken by another high school. (East G.F.?)

[Bisonator]

People seem to not see why these names were picked. Come on people you don't think any of these are actually going to be the nickname do you? This is simply more of the same ruse to make it look like they are following the "process" when in reality they are not going to have a nickname and simply stay as North Dakota so the alumni and fans can remain the Fighting Sioux forever.

I hope the NCAA follows the letter of the settlement.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

People seem to not see why these names were picked. Come on people you don't think any of these are actually going to be the nickname do you? This is simply more of the same ruse to make it look like they are following the "process" when in reality they are not going to have a nickname and simply stay as North Dakota so the alumni and fans can remain the Fighting Sioux forever.

I hope the NCAA follows the letter of the settlement.

And if that is the case then good enough.

[nodak651]

The problem with Roughriders is that it was, literally, the first name kicked out by one of the Native American individuals who opposed the Sioux nickname and fought to take it down. For that reason alone I see Roughriders getting resistance from long time Sioux proponents.

I think it ends up being Cavalry.
Do you have a link to that article? I think the opposite is true and he used roughriders as an example of a good replacement name for sioux.

[BisonFan02]

Really looking forward to changing Darell's avatar for the whole month of August.......

[NDSUSR]

Could be a lot worse if it were barebackers.

It's settled then, it's Roughriders.xthumbsupx

No mention of "Broke Backers"? Color me disappointed.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

No mention of "Broke Backers"? Color me disappointed.

No, you just mentioned it, we're all good!

[NDSUSR]

I have to say that the "list" is pure shyte.

[Hammersmith]

Do you have a link to that article? I think the opposite is true and he used roughriders as an example of a good replacement name for sioux.

You misunderstand what he meant. You're both saying similar things.


What Yote meant:

Ron His Horse Is Thunder was a primary nickname opponent(he was Standing Rock tribal chairman when UND needed approval).

Ron HHIT proposed Rough Riders (or Roughriders) as an alternative nickname.

Fighting Sioux nickname supporters hate Ron HHIT because of his nickname stance.

Therefore, Fighting Sioux nickname supporters will hate Rough Riders because Ron HHIT proposed it.



I don't necessarily agree with how many might share that view or how fervent they are with it, but that's his argument why Rough Riders might face resistance.


Or more simply, he was using "kicked out" as a synonym for "proposed" and not "eliminated from consideration".

[NDSUSR]

Your post hurt my brain.

[gotts]

Those are all terrible except Cavalry and Nodaks


University of North Dakota North Dakota? Are you ****ing serious? Please tell me that means they will continue to go strictly as UND with no formal "nickname".

Spirit? Sundogs? Thunder Hawks?

JFC, UND. You make it so easy for people to dislike everything you do and just hope that everything turns out a failure so we can make fun of you.

I've gone from a UND defender to just hoping everything UND touches is a disaster all because it seems like everything always has to be some sort of big ordeal with a bunch of whiny dicks behind it.

You have a chance to get one thing right, one thing that is going to be extremely vital to branding your university going forward. If you pick something like "Spirit" or "Thunder Hawks" or "Sundogs" you deserve every bit of negativity, backlash and failure you get

Luckily, you don't have to hope. All you have to do is grab your popcorn, sit back, and relax.

[Bisonoline]

Those are all terrible except Cavalry and Nodaks


University of North Dakota North Dakota? Are you ****ing serious? Please tell me that means they will continue to go strictly as UND with no formal "nickname".

Spirit? Sundogs? Thunder Hawks?

JFC, UND. You make it so easy for people to dislike everything you do and just hope that everything turns out a failure so we can make fun of you.

I've gone from a UND defender to just hoping everything UND touches is a disaster all because it seems like everything always has to be some sort of big ordeal with a bunch of whiny dicks behind it.

You have a chance to get one thing right, one thing that is going to be extremely vital to branding your university going forward. If you pick something like "Spirit" or "Thunder Hawks" or "Sundogs" you deserve every bit of negativity, backlash and failure you get

This is exactly what they were hoping for. Ideas that are so terrible that North Dakota wins it. With out a true nick name the Fighting Sioux will stay the unofficial moniker by default.

[Yote 53]

Do you have a link to that article? I think the opposite is true and he used roughriders as an example of a good replacement name for sioux.

Yes, that's correct. Exactly what I said. I can't remember who it was but one of the opponent of the nickname said that UND could just use, oh, Roughriders, as an example, as a good replacement name for Sioux.

My take is that I don't know if it will go over so well for long time Sioux supporters to have the new nickname glossed by one of the people who fought to take the Sioux name down. I would think they would be in favor of choosing something on their own.

[Yote 53]

You misunderstand what he meant. You're both saying similar things.


What Yote meant:

Ron His Horse Is Thunder was a primary nickname opponent(he was Standing Rock tribal chairman when UND needed approval).

Ron HHIT proposed Rough Riders (or Roughriders) as an alternative nickname.

Fighting Sioux nickname supporters hate Ron HHIT because of his nickname stance.

Therefore, Fighting Sioux nickname supporters will hate Rough Riders because Ron HHIT proposed it.



I don't necessarily agree with how many might share that view or how fervent they are with it, but that's his argument why Rough Riders might face resistance.


Or more simply, he was using "kicked out" as a synonym for "proposed" and not "eliminated from consideration".

Just saw that Hammersmith covered this here. Thanks for the pickup.

[NoCoDanny]

They're milking this for all it's worth, how long can something like this possibly take? Pick a name and be done with it FFS.

[OhioHen]

We can definitely work with that.

http://www.b2bsupply.co/images/CONTEMPO%20CONDOMS%20ROUGH%20RIDER%20Hot%20Passion %2012.JPG

Change the color scheme and you've got some cheerleader outfits.

[Southern Bison]

Change the color scheme and you've got some cheerleader outfits.
You don't want to see UN_ women in outfits like that...

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[344Johnson]

You don't want to see UN_ women in outfits like that...

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Speak for yourself

[NDSUSR]

They're milking this for all it's worth, how long can something like this possibly take? Pick a name and be done with it FFS.

About a million dollars worth. Its so tragic that its almost laughable.

[Hammersmith]

About a million dollars worth. Its so tragic that its almost laughable.

It's the same problem they had earlier when trying to decide to move on (before the dumbass Al Carlson stuck his mug into the mess). Nobody wants to be stuck holding the hot potato when the music stops.* Look at the hatred for Kelley even though he had no choices in what he was doing. To many in the Fighting Sioux Hockey camp, he is the guy who killed the nickname. Doesn't matter that the die was cast even before he first set foot on campus. Everyone involved just wants to drag out the process long enough that they can get someone else to take over and have those new guys' names stuck forever to the mess.

Do you remember the committee that was formed to negotiate with the two Sioux tribes just after the settlement with the NCAA was finalized? Something like 2007 or so? The Gov and the US Congressmen were so supportive of the process and the lawsuit right up until they were asked to be on the committee. I think they left scorch marks running away from those requests. I think the Gov ended up sending a junior administrative assistant to be a non-voting observer or something. It was pretty funny at the time.



*apologies for the mixed metaphor

[NDSUSR]

Meh. They should have told the tribe to pound sand and kept the Sioux name. Im 1/4 Blackfoot and dont give two ****s about a football teams name.

[Hammersmith]

Meh. They should have told the tribe to pound sand and kept the Sioux name. Im 1/4 Blackfoot and dont give two ****s about a football teams name.

Well, the tribes never asked for anything during and after the settlement process, so I'm not willing to throw all that much blame their way. Mostly they refused to even come to the table. Standing Rock in particular. They just ignored the whole thing. It's impossible to have a negotiation when one side wouldn't engage.

As for keeping the name without approval, it was technically an option. UND would not have been allowed to wear FS uniforms for NCAA playoffs and championships; not a huge deal. They wouldn't have been allowed to host NCAA playoff or championship events, but that would have only affected hockey and football(and they still would have been able to host conference championships). The only real problem would have been their placement on the NCAA "bad guys" list. They have a list like that(don't know if anyone is on it right now) and they have a suggestions list that encourages other schools not to schedule them. I think it's called "best practices" or something.* That could have caused UND problems. Minnesota, Iowa and Wisconsin had already expressed an unwillingness to schedule UND in multiple events.

Also, if UND had full-on challenged the NCAA on this, I'm not sure how willing the Big Sky would have been to take them on as a member. They didn't have many problems inviting UND when they were still working within the framework of the settlement, but I don't know if that would have stayed the case if UND was blatantly giving the NCAA the finger. Would have been one heck of a risk for UND to take.


*here was the quote:

The committee also strongly suggested that institutions follow the best practices of institutions that do not support the use of Native American mascots or imagery. Model institutions include the University of Iowa and University of Wisconsin, who have practices of not scheduling athletic competitions with schools who use Native American nicknames, imagery or mascots
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/PressArchive/2005/Announcements/NCAA%2BExecutive%2BCommittee%2BIssues%2BGuidelines %2Bfor%2BUse%2Bof%2BNative%2BAmerican%2BMascots%2B at%2BChampionship%2BEvents.html

[UNDColorado]

There are many alumni that are unhappy with this process. Most of this list is a joke. I agree that spirit, thunderhawks (wft is that?), and sundogs need to go away.

I could live with roughriders or cavalry. Regardless this just needs to be over so we can move on.

[UncleBuck]

There are many alumni that are unhappy with this process. Most of this list is a joke. I agree that spirit, thunderhawks (wft is that?), and sundogs need to go away.

I could live with roughriders or cavalry. Regardless this just needs to be over so we can move on.

I agree, get this over.

Next will be a logo designing submission stage.

As for me, I bet I will hear a great nickname idea, after it is all over.

[Hammersmith]

Down to seven:

48 Rough riders
46 North Stars
46 Sun dogs
42 Nodaks
41 Fighting Hawks
35 Green Hawks
21 North Dakota

The numbers are the points each choice received in the latest round. Each name was awarded -1, 0 or 1 point in criteria categories such as uniqueness, linguistic ease and whether the name was a rallying symbol and representative of the region.

[clenz]

Sun Dogs is second? Who TF is voting on this?

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[BisonFan02]

Sun Dogs is second? Who TF is voting on this?

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Sun Dogs has a hint of Toledo Mudhens to it.....with a splash of hockey.