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andthehomeofthe-BIZON-
August 23rd, 2015, 07:00 PM
I think UND has f-ed this entire process up as most, but the reality is they are being made an extreme example of because they don't have the name backing them up like Illinois or Florida State. The SR tribe did vote on it, and voted by a 2-1 margin to allow it, but the tribal council members didn't "honor" that vote and said to not allow it.
The NCAA potentially dropping a hammer after everything is done because some NDSU or Minnesota fans are ****ing ****s about it and wnat to complain is complete horse crap in every single imaginable way.
I really don't think that 98% of NDSU fans care what their nickname is as long as it rhymes with suck..
TheRevSFA
August 23rd, 2015, 07:26 PM
Nope, we will say "_____ suck ****"
It's not the nickname, it's them.
Its hard to be rivals with a team you don't regularly play.
You make me think of Texans fans in the NFL
NoDak 4 Ever
August 23rd, 2015, 07:32 PM
Its hard to be rivals with a team you don't regularly play.
You make me think of Texans fans in the NFL
The schools still exist, the towns still exist. Football was a good way to play it out but hate is hate. The towns are only 70 miles apart, there's a lot of animus.
ursus arctos horribilis
August 23rd, 2015, 08:51 PM
You pull the "im" out and it's about right.:)
Bisonoline
August 23rd, 2015, 09:53 PM
Its hard to be rivals with a team you don't regularly play.
You make me think of Texans fans in the NFL
Not really. Iowa hated Iowa State and visa versa for decades when they didn't play each other in FB. No difference between NDSU and the school to the north.
clenz
August 23rd, 2015, 10:00 PM
Not really. Iowa hated Iowa State and visa versa for decades when they didn't play each other in FB. No difference between NDSU and the school to the north.
Except they still played basketball, Volleyball, wrestled, baseball, softball, etc... did they not?
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NoDak 4 Ever
August 23rd, 2015, 10:01 PM
Not really. Iowa hated Iowa State and visa versa for decades when they didn't play each other in FB. No difference between NDSU and the school to the north.
This.
With the 12,000 or so schools in Texas it's hard to understand a mostly rural state with two large entities in it that just plain don't like each other.
Missingnumber7
August 23rd, 2015, 10:21 PM
NDSU and UND played in most if not all other revenue sports over the last several years. I don't think baseball took any years off, with bball being the latest added, but they have played annually for at least 5 years.
2ram
August 23rd, 2015, 10:23 PM
ndsu bfe's?
ndsu others?
ndsu freeze?
appropo and catchy :)
Bisonoline
August 23rd, 2015, 10:53 PM
Except they still played basketball, Volleyball, wrestled, baseball, softball, etc... did they not?
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It took awhile for those sports to play each other after they quit playing us. VB was like 5 years ago I think. BB I think the same. Cant remember on the rest.
PantherRob82
August 23rd, 2015, 11:14 PM
Why not the UND Ies? LOL. Get it? ;)
Bisonator
August 24th, 2015, 08:00 AM
I really couldn't care less what those idiots up north do, but they bring a lot of this crap on themselves. I'd think the protesters calling for the "North Dakota" name would carry a lot more weight if they would actually have current UND gear rather then Sioux gear on though. I'd be pretty god damned embarrassed if that **** was happening at NDSU.
clenz
August 24th, 2015, 08:32 AM
I really couldn't care less what those idiots up north do, but they bring a lot of this crap on themselves. I'd think the protesters calling for the "North Dakota" name would carry a lot more weight if they would actually have current UND gear rather then Sioux gear on though. I'd be pretty god damned embarrassed if that **** was happening at NDSU.
I can agree with this 100%
Is it a good look for the school - even though they aren't actually affiliated with the school? No, it isn't...at all.
Doesn't change the fact that the NCAA punishing UND for what their fans may, or may not, wear to a game should NDSU/Minnesota/Cal Poly/etc... choose to complain is pretty asinine.
That's the entire point I'm making, yet that somehow is "wrong" according to many NDSU fans here
Bisonator
August 24th, 2015, 08:34 AM
I can agree with this 100%
Is it a good look for the school - even though they aren't actually affiliated with the school? No, it isn't...at all.
Doesn't change the fact that the NCAA punishing UND for what their fans may, or may not, wear to a game should NDSU/Minnesota/Cal Poly/etc... choose to complain is pretty asinine.
That's the entire point I'm making, yet that somehow is "wrong" according to many NDSU fans here
I don't disagree clenz and I really don't see how the NCAA can do that anyway. I think it's much ado about nothing.
Hambone
August 28th, 2015, 12:14 PM
The end is near? But I'm guessing the pissing and moaning of all those who want to be Fighting Sioux forever won't end for a while.
The voting process has been declared. Go Roughriders......
http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/local/3827234-update-undnorth-dakota-removed-und-nickname-ballot-alumni-may-vote
1984
August 28th, 2015, 12:52 PM
By forcing the issue what is going to happen is 50%+ are going to HATE any new nickname at this point and more so one that is crammed down their throats. Donations, fan base, merchandise sales, and attendance will drop a significant amount. Smartest thing that could be done is to drop the entire issue for 20-30 years. Forcing the issue is going to cost UND support it is simple as that.
RootinFerDukes
August 28th, 2015, 12:59 PM
Now what if I find the term "rough rider" offensive? I prefer my rides to be smooth and therefore am bothered by the prospect of such a title.
tomq04
August 28th, 2015, 01:17 PM
Now what if I find the term "rough rider" offensive? I prefer my rides to be smooth and therefore am bothered by the prospect of such a title.
I suspect there would be more issue with Bareback Riders.
melloware13
August 28th, 2015, 02:21 PM
I suspect there would be more issue with Bareback Riders. Or, in a homage to Heath Ledger, name their teams the Brokeback Riders
poly51
August 28th, 2015, 03:44 PM
Call them the UND Folders because on this issue they folded like a cheap suit. There doesn't appear to have been much fight in the Fighting Souix
clenz
September 3rd, 2015, 09:10 PM
Presented without comment
http://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/blogs/diamonds-and-ice-by-jeff-johnson/university-of-north-dakota-might-have-to-pay-cr-roughriders-20150903?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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BisonFan02
September 3rd, 2015, 09:16 PM
Presented without comment
http://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/blogs/diamonds-and-ice-by-jeff-johnson/university-of-north-dakota-might-have-to-pay-cr-roughriders-20150903?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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They did pay some consulting firm that was supposed to be researching this...and aid in the consideration/non-consideration lists....but who am I kidding at this point. Nothing surprises me anymore, and I'm just numb about it.
SDFS
September 4th, 2015, 07:14 AM
Presented without comment
http://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/blogs/diamonds-and-ice-by-jeff-johnson/university-of-north-dakota-might-have-to-pay-cr-roughriders-20150903?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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I believe that the consultants knew about this and the current owner of the team is a UND grad. He has contacted UND to make sure that they are aware of the trademark
BisonBacker
September 4th, 2015, 08:17 AM
They did pay some consulting firm that was supposed to be researching this...and aid in the consideration/non-consideration lists....but who am I kidding at this point. Nothing surprises me anymore, and I'm just numb about it.
You honestly are surprised by this? Serious question.
Edit,
Let me rephrase that. This really numbs you? These ****ers couldn't get laid in a whorehouse. Why does this numb you?
BisonBacker
September 4th, 2015, 08:20 AM
One more comment to those who say why does it matter. I read yesterday this nickname debacle so far has cost the ND taxpayers 200,000.00 I'm glad I'm not a ND taxpayer seeing my money go to waste on this.
Actually this number I saw yesterday isn't even correct. It's much worse than I thought. According to the Grand Forks Herald the number has exceeded 5 million. Yep you read that right. 5 million.
The judge's memo said the nickname ordeal cost the state "over $2 million in attorney fees and expenses," but later documents said the total actually exceeded $5 million, according to Herald archives.
Don't believe me read the article yourself.
http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/local/3822861-documents-regarding-und-nickname-lawsuit-unsealed-years
What a complete waste of money. (not debating the PC part of this). They knew they were going to lose yet they went ahead anyway. I guess why not when it's not costing you directly out of pocket who cares right?
clenz
September 4th, 2015, 08:27 AM
I believe that the consultants knew about this and the current owner of the team is a UND grad. He has contacted UND to make sure that they are aware of the trademark
If they knew they wouldn't have needed to be informed by a lawyers letter
UNI Pike
September 4th, 2015, 08:40 AM
Trademark holders are all but required by federal law to send these kind of letters to possible infringers, otherwise they could lose the trademark registration.
From my NSA monitored nexus 5
AmsterBison
September 4th, 2015, 08:49 AM
Trademark holders are all but required by federal law to send these kind of letters to possible infringers, otherwise they could lose the trademark registration.
From my NSA monitored nexus 5
Bingo. UND could probably get by with paying a nominal fee if they want.
Besides, I thought trademarks were something you slapped on a product to differentiate it from others in the same marketplace. UND athletics and a minor league hockey team in Iowa aren't in the same marketplace. Is a rationale person is going to be duped into buying a UND sweater when they really wanted one for a minor league hockey team in Iowa?
Seems like this kind of deal only becomes a big problem when somebody clones a logo as well as a name... I mean, it's not like names for sports franchises are all that creative.
clenz
September 4th, 2015, 08:55 AM
Bingo. UND could probably get by with paying a nominal fee if they want.
Besides, I thought trademarks were something you slapped on a product to differentiate it from others in the same marketplace. UND athletics and a minor league hockey team in Iowa aren't in the same marketplace. Is a rationale person is going to be duped into buying a UND sweater when they really wanted one for a minor league hockey team in Iowa?
Seems like this kind of deal only becomes a big problem when somebody clones a logo as well as a name... I mean, it's not like names for sports franchises are all that creative.
A hockey team in Iowa being concerned about a hockey team in north dakota with the same name and colors seems pretty reasonable, actually
BisonBacker
September 4th, 2015, 08:59 AM
Better question is if they come to some deal to use/buy the name how much will it cost the taxpayers of ND?
BisonTru
June 22nd, 2016, 11:18 AM
http://forum.siouxsports.com/uploads/monthly_2016_06/UNDlogo.JPG.86b68d715cd11397113a1917d29eb6bb.JPG
UND's new logo.
ursus arctos horribilis
June 22nd, 2016, 11:29 AM
Pretty decent looking logo.
clenz
June 22nd, 2016, 11:31 AM
http://forum.siouxsports.com/uploads/monthly_2016_06/UNDlogo.JPG.86b68d715cd11397113a1917d29eb6bb.JPG
UND's new logo.
A lot better than I imagined it would be.
Not too bad.
Looks like all knew word marking is on it's way as well.
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 11:40 AM
http://forum.siouxsports.com/uploads/monthly_2016_06/UNDlogo.JPG.86b68d715cd11397113a1917d29eb6bb.JPG
UND's new logo.
Looks safe.
RootinFerDukes
June 22nd, 2016, 11:42 AM
I like it. I'm assuming there may be helmets with that hawk head on it?
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 11:44 AM
I like it. I'm assuming there may be helmets with that hawk head on it?
I've heard that logo is exactly what will be on the helmet, but someone will have to confirm.
BisonTru
June 22nd, 2016, 11:45 AM
Looks safe.
Meh...
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22698&stc=1
They did do better than PSU.
Hambone
June 22nd, 2016, 11:47 AM
I've heard that logo is exactly what will be on the helmet, but someone will have to confirm.
Correct - based on what Bubba said in the press conference.
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 11:51 AM
Correct - based on what Bubba said in the press conference.
OK. I didn't catch any of the press conference, so I'm relying on second hand info. Thanks.
Hambone
June 22nd, 2016, 11:54 AM
As for a reaction - I don't hate it but am also not in love with it. However, it's not as bad as I feared......and I will definitely buy some merchandise and embrace it.
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 11:55 AM
As for a reaction - I don't hate it but am also not in love with it. However, it's not as bad as I feared......and I will definitely buy some merchandise and embrace it.
It definitely could have been alot worse. Like I said, I think it is a pretty clean/safe pick. They were not going to touch any Native American imagery with a 10 foot poll (like posted earlier).
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 12:17 PM
Correct - based on what Bubba said in the press conference.
Slightly OT, but did they mention any timeframe for the hockey program to adopt the logo versus the interlocking ND or just North Dakota?
RootinFerDukes
June 22nd, 2016, 12:26 PM
I meant a helmet just featuring the hawk head without the ND logo behind it. Sorry for not clarifying better.
I think that'd have a cleaner look but you could argue no one will know what the hawk head is just by itself.
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 12:27 PM
I meant a helmet just featuring the hawk head without the ND logo behind it. Sorry for not clarifying better.
I think that'd have a cleaner look but you could argue no one will know what the hawk head is just by itself.
Nope. Whole logo only.
Hambone
June 22nd, 2016, 12:28 PM
Slightly OT, but did they mention any timeframe for the hockey program to adopt the logo versus the interlocking ND or just North Dakota?
Thought I heard that the hockey jerseys are ordered by Christmas the year before, so it won't be on next years jersey. But I could be wrong.
EDIT: Also, apparently one of the hockey captains tweeted that it is the ugliest logo they've ever seen. Way to lead and help move everyone forward......
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 12:32 PM
Thought I heard that the hockey jerseys are ordered by Christmas the year before, so it won't be on next years jersey. But I could be wrong.
EDIT: Also, apparently one of the hockey captains tweeted that it is the ugliest logo they've ever seen. Way to lead and help move everyone forward......
You and I both know that faction of the UND fan base (and apparently program) have no intention on ever doing that. I don't see them ever (any time soon anyway) adopting it on their sweaters or fan gear....call it a hunch.
Daytripper
June 22nd, 2016, 12:47 PM
http://forum.siouxsports.com/uploads/monthly_2016_06/UNDlogo.JPG.86b68d715cd11397113a1917d29eb6bb.JPG
UND's new logo.
On a scale of 1 to 10 I will give it a 7.5. I like it.
IBleedYellow
June 22nd, 2016, 12:57 PM
Not a fan.
Can't really tell that it's supposed to be "ND" quickly.
I'm sure soon people will recognize it, though.
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 01:00 PM
Not a fan.
Can't really tell that it's supposed to be "ND" quickly.
I'm sure soon people will recognize it, though.
I don't hate it (not that it matters), but the marketing guy in me wonders how they can use it? Works fine against a white background, but how in the hell would you incorporate it on anything else without modification? Are there going to be a bunch of other alternatives/reiterations of the logo?
Daytripper
June 22nd, 2016, 01:03 PM
I don't hate it (not that it matters), but the marketing guy in me wonders how they can use it? Works fine against a white background, but how in the hell would you incorporate it on anything else without modification? Are there going to be a bunch of other alternatives/reiterations of the logo?
I'm not a marketing guy, but it seems that it should work with any color background except green or black.
clenz
June 22nd, 2016, 01:06 PM
I'm not a marketing guy, but it seems that it should work with any color background except green or black.
Well, go look what colors UND uses for uniforms.
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 01:08 PM
I'm not a marketing guy, but it seems that it should work with any color background except green or black.
Do you outline the white hawk portion of the logo or is it transparent and takes on the color of whatever it is on? Is the white hawk portion part of the trademark?
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Well, go look what colors UND uses for uniforms.
Yup....should look interesting on a kelly green or black t shirt.
IBleedYellow
June 22nd, 2016, 01:08 PM
I don't hate it (not that it matters), but the marketing guy in me wonders how they can use it? Works fine against a white background, but how in the hell would you incorporate it on anything else without modification? Are there going to be a bunch of other alternatives/reiterations of the logo?
Our opinions don't matter at all - I would have just thought they would want a logo that would make it easy to discern from the ND for North Dakota. You really have to stretch it for the D in there, again my opinion.
ursus arctos horribilis
June 22nd, 2016, 01:16 PM
I'm not a marketing guy, but it seems that it should work with any color background except green or black.
A white outline fixes any color combo doesn't it?
ursus arctos horribilis
June 22nd, 2016, 01:18 PM
Not a fan.
Can't really tell that it's supposed to be "ND" quickly.
I'm sure soon people will recognize it, though.
Yeah, I had no problem with the ND part at all.
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 01:21 PM
Yeah, I had no problem with the ND part at all.
Me neither, but we are conditioned to know what to look for. I would imagine the company they hired did polling/test studies to gauge how recognizable some of the logo aspects were versus alternatives....might be assuming a bit much, but that usually is part of the process.
IBleedYellow
June 22nd, 2016, 01:25 PM
http://stmedia.stimg.co/UNDlogo-hawks.jpg?w=525
This is the only uniform mockup I can find. Typical.
Hammersmith
June 22nd, 2016, 01:26 PM
A white outline fixes any color combo doesn't it?
More likely they will go with color inversions. A guy on SiouxSports did some nice work on what different combinations might look like.
Green and black background possibilities: http://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/23254-official-siouxsportscom-logo-reaction-thread-and-poll/?do=findComment&comment=873847
Grey background possibilities: http://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/23254-official-siouxsportscom-logo-reaction-thread-and-poll/?do=findComment&comment=873854
On a green background, I like the white ND with a black eye and lower stripe. On a black background, use the green ND with white eye and stripe. On a grey background, the black ND looks a little sharper, but then you're left with almost no green in the logo. Don't know what to think about that. Maybe only use it when green lettering is present?
Daytripper
June 22nd, 2016, 01:26 PM
A white outline fixes any color combo doesn't it?
Makes sense. Just trim it in white.
ursus arctos horribilis
June 22nd, 2016, 01:27 PM
Me neither, but we are conditioned to know what to look for. I would imagine the company they hired did polling/test studies to gauge how recognizable some of the logo aspects were versus alternatives....might be assuming a bit much, but that usually is part of the process.
True. Things like this can also have more impact if you need to learn it. It is more interesting that way when I recognize something in a logo or a brand that I had earlier missed. The impression has more impact when that happens
IBleedYellow
June 22nd, 2016, 01:28 PM
You can't even make this **** up.
https://twitter.com/DomIzzoWDAY/status/745652123950546946
I bet money they won't change them for '17-'18 season either.
Daytripper
June 22nd, 2016, 01:28 PM
More likely they will go with color inversions. A guy on SiouxSports did some nice work on what different combinations might look like.
Green and black background possibilities: http://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/23254-official-siouxsportscom-logo-reaction-thread-and-poll/?do=findComment&comment=873847
Grey background possibilities: http://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/23254-official-siouxsportscom-logo-reaction-thread-and-poll/?do=findComment&comment=873854
I like this:
https://s32.postimg.org/sqpis8pgh/White_ND_on_Black.jpg
Hambone
June 22nd, 2016, 01:28 PM
I don't hate it (not that it matters), but the marketing guy in me wonders how they can use it? Works fine against a white background, but how in the hell would you incorporate it on anything else without modification? Are there going to be a bunch of other alternatives/reiterations of the logo?
Someone did some mock ups with other color backgrounds on this thread - I think it looks good with various backgrounds and might just work if they decide to utilize.
http://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/23254-official-siouxsportscom-logo-reaction-thread-and-poll/?page=10
EDIT: See I got beat to it.
ursus arctos horribilis
June 22nd, 2016, 01:29 PM
Makes sense. Just trim it in white.
Exactly. I have had that problem with some Tshirts and stuff for AGS I've done in the past which is why the answer was readily available on that one.
Blue logo, Blue shirt, white outline...done.
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 01:30 PM
True. Things like this can also have more impact if you need to learn it. It is more interesting that way when I recognize something in a logo or a brand that I had earlier missed. The impression has more impact when that happens
Minnesota Wild logo (yeah....hockey....I know)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1b/Minnesota_Wild.svg/1280px-Minnesota_Wild.svg.png
Who saw the animal face or who saw the North Star eye, moon ear, river mouth, or trees fur first?
ursus arctos horribilis
June 22nd, 2016, 01:32 PM
More likely they will go with color inversions. A guy on SiouxSports did some nice work on what different combinations might look like.
Green and black background possibilities: http://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/23254-official-siouxsportscom-logo-reaction-thread-and-poll/?do=findComment&comment=873847
Grey background possibilities: http://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/23254-official-siouxsportscom-logo-reaction-thread-and-poll/?do=findComment&comment=873854
Those actually look even better on colored backgrounds. I would bet there will be several solutions.
F'N Hawks
June 22nd, 2016, 01:33 PM
You can't even make this **** up.
https://twitter.com/DomIzzoWDAY/status/745652123950546946
I bet money they won't change them for '17-'18 season either.
Get a clue, dumbass. They order them before Xmas for the NEXT season.
IBleedYellow
June 22nd, 2016, 01:33 PM
It sucks so much they had to go away from the awesome logo that was the Fighting Sioux Head.
That logo was so amazing and detailed.
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 01:34 PM
Get a clue, dumbass. They order them before Xmas for the NEXT season.
When do they order the football ones? Isn't the logo a patch or sticker? Can't change the order?
F'N Hawks
June 22nd, 2016, 01:37 PM
When do they order the football ones? Isn't the logo a patch or sticker? Can't change the order?
They don't get complete sets of new jerseys every year. Got all new uniforms last year.
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Football will have the NEW logo on their helmet for the opener vs. Stony Brook. Should be a green helmet for that game so it will be interesting to see what color scheme the decal is.
ursus arctos horribilis
June 22nd, 2016, 01:37 PM
You can't even make this **** up.
https://twitter.com/DomIzzoWDAY/status/745652123950546946
I bet money they won't change them for '17-'18 season either.
Great. They shouldn't have had to in the first place but if they don't want to so be it. The new look is good but if they want to stick to what they have now...don't see what it matters.
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 01:38 PM
They don't get complete sets of new jerseys every year. Got all new uniforms last year.
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Football will have the logo on their helmet for the opener vs. Stony Brook. Should be a green helmet for that game so it will be interesting to see what color scheme the decal is.
Will the new logo be painted on the ice at the Ralph for next season?
IBleedYellow
June 22nd, 2016, 01:41 PM
Great. They shouldn't have had to in the first place but if they don't want to so be it. The new look is good but if they want to stick to what they have now...don't see what it matters.
That's my point though. The jersey's have already been order - which is fine. Are they going to force all the other sports to use the new logo?
I agree with you 100%. They never should have been forced to change from The Fighting Sioux anyway. Plus that logo was badass.
Hammersmith
June 22nd, 2016, 01:42 PM
They don't get complete sets of new jerseys every year. Got all new uniforms last year.
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Football will have the NEW logo on their helmet for the opener vs. Stony Brook. Should be a green helmet for that game so it will be interesting to see what color scheme the decal is.
BV pointed out a funny issue with the logo on helmets. Because ND is built into the logo, you can't mirror image it. Either you only put the logo on the right side of the helmet, or the bird will be flying backwards on the left side of the helmet.
UNDColorado
June 22nd, 2016, 01:43 PM
I am not sure how I feel about this just yet. It is clean and simple which is nice but I was sort of hoping for more detail. Then again I was a big fan of our previous logo so it may take some time to adjust.
The football team will wear the decals of this new logo on the helmets, both grey and green helmets. As noted above hockey had to place their uniform order for next season, December 15. Not much can be done there. I am not a hockey only fan and as stated above there certainly is a faction of hockey only fans who are throwing **** fits like toddlers right now. I think a year with the current uniforms for hockey is a good play as there are some real morons in that crowd that will need more time to calm down.
In the end I think this will grow on me. It was also nice to read through some non partisan comments above as a lot of it was on point and made sense.
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 01:44 PM
BV pointed out a funny issue with the logo on helmets. Because ND is built into the logo, you can't mirror image it. Either you only put the logo on the right side of the helmet, or the bird will be flying backwards on the left side of the helmet.
Oops.....
F'N Hawks
June 22nd, 2016, 01:45 PM
BV pointed out a funny issue with the logo on helmets. Because ND is built into the logo, you can't mirror image it. Either you only put the logo on the right side of the helmet, or the bird will be flying backwards on the left side of the helmet.
Of course they did. xthumbsupx
Why couldn't they mirror the 'hawk' for the helmets?
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 01:47 PM
Of course they did. xthumbsupx
Well....they're not wrong in this case. Its a Pitt Steelers type situation with a text/one logo helmet. Not a big deal, but I don't imagine it was on purpose.
EDIT:
Besides....this is much better work from a BVer xlolx
http://www.bisonville.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6990&d=1466617725
ursus arctos horribilis
June 22nd, 2016, 01:51 PM
That's my point though. The jersey's have already been order - which is fine. Are they going to force all the other sports to use the new logo?
I agree with you 100%. They never should have been forced to change from The Fighting Sioux anyway. Plus that logo was badass.
It's a good question but I would suppose it is up the Athletic Department and what makes the most overall sense to them financially and "branding" wise. Other than football, most other sports have fairly simple jersyes so don't think it is tough to accomplish.
ursus arctos horribilis
June 22nd, 2016, 01:54 PM
BV pointed out a funny issue with the logo on helmets. Because ND is built into the logo, you can't mirror image it. Either you only put the logo on the right side of the helmet, or the bird will be flying backwards on the left side of the helmet.
Why would that matter?
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 01:55 PM
Of course they did. xthumbsupx
Why couldn't they mirror the 'hawk' for the helmets?
Because it is integrated into the text/logo....not possible to mirror to keep the hawk facing the same direction on both sides without screwing up the text.
Milkman
June 22nd, 2016, 01:56 PM
Of course they did. xthumbsupx
It's a legitimate problem the logo has if you plan to use it in its entirety on a helmet. Doesn't matter who brings up the issue. Same problem the Raven's have with their helmet but with the new UND logo if you change the direction of the hawk so that it is facing forward on the other side of the helmet it significantly changes the logo.
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 01:56 PM
Why would that matter?
I guess it doesn't if you don't care about the hawk logo facing forward on one side of the helmet and backwards on the other.
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 01:58 PM
http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o508/michaelfoster2/NFL%20Series%202012/helmet-1.png
Gonna be tough with text when the hawk is integrated unlike the Ravens.
ursus arctos horribilis
June 22nd, 2016, 02:00 PM
I guess it doesn't if you don't care about the hawk logo facing forward on one side of the helmet and backwards on the other.
I don't know why you would?
Were I making the calls I'd probably have only the hawk on the helmet anyway but all the same I can't see how it makes a difference.
IBleedYellow
June 22nd, 2016, 02:03 PM
I didn't think about this - but the Interlocking N&D has been THE logo for UND football for the past 50+ years. Looks like they are retiring that also.
Big changes coming.
ursus arctos horribilis
June 22nd, 2016, 02:05 PM
I didn't think about this - but the Interlocking N&D has been THE logo for UND football for the past 50+ years. Looks like they are retiring that also.
Big changes coming.
Did not know that. That is a long time for a logo for sure.
Laker
June 22nd, 2016, 02:05 PM
I didn't think about this - but the Interlocking N&D has been THE logo for UND football for the past 50+ years. Looks like they are retiring that also.
Big changes coming.
Personally I really liked that ND logo. I know people who would confuse it with Notre Dame.
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 02:26 PM
I don't know why you would?
Were I making the calls I'd probably have only the hawk on the helmet anyway but all the same I can't see how it makes a difference.
An outlined Hawk without the text wouldn't be insanely bland/generic? Part of what makes it nice/different is its integration into the text.
Milkman
June 22nd, 2016, 02:26 PM
On its own its a nice looking logo. But to me it doesn't feel like a primary logo of an athletic department. My other issues with it are the inherent problem a logo with text imbedded in it causes for helmet application. Granted that only affects one sport. And the issue of displaying the logo on other colors. Now I know the "solution" is to put a white or black outline on the logo but one of the design elements of the logo is the implied edge of the hawk in multiple locations. And by adding an outline you then create a completely defined shape instead of a negative space creating a hawk. These are two complaints I have about the Raven's and the current Panther's logos.
All that being said, it definitely looks better than PSU's.
ursus arctos horribilis
June 22nd, 2016, 02:29 PM
An outlined Hawk without the text wouldn't be insanely bland/generic? Part of what makes it nice/different is its integration into the text.
Yeah, it might be.
BisonTru
June 22nd, 2016, 02:30 PM
I don't mind this on the helmets. Not sure what they will do and this ins't official. Also realize the hawks going to be flying different directions, but I don't think that will be that big of a deal.
https://s32.postimg.org/4yvtrt5g5/Black_ND_on_Green.jpg
UNIFanSince1983
June 22nd, 2016, 02:35 PM
Wouldn't have to fly different directions. Can just reverse it so the Hawk is headed toward the N. Might not quite work as well as it does for UNI. On the left side of the helmet the Panther goes toward the U instead of the I like it does normally.
ursus arctos horribilis
June 22nd, 2016, 02:37 PM
I don't mind this on the helmets. Not sure what they will do and this ins't official. Also realize the hawks going to be flying different directions, but I don't think that will be that big of a deal.
https://s32.postimg.org/4yvtrt5g5/Black_ND_on_Green.jpg
That looks pretty dang good. I don't see how it is any sort of a deal so I am missing something I guess.
It was never a problem that the "D" was pointing backwards on one side of the helmet. Honestly, I'm lost on how that matters.
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 02:46 PM
That looks pretty dang good. I don't see how it is any sort of a deal so I am missing something I guess.
It was never a problem that the "D" was pointing backwards on one side of the helmet. Honestly, I'm lost on how that matters.
It doesn't as long as you don't mind only having the logo on one side or the hawk facing two different directions.
https://www.teetransfers.com/images/STK-NFL-BAR-H1999-01.jpg
Replace the Ravens logo on the left with the new UND text/hawk logo......now try to do the same thing on the right/other side of the helmet. I'm sure you get it, but I'm just making sure. xthumbsupx
Hammersmith
June 22nd, 2016, 02:47 PM
I don't know why you would?
Were I making the calls I'd probably have only the hawk on the helmet anyway but all the same I can't see how it makes a difference.
It's the concept of carrying forward into battle. You generally want the mouth/head facing towards the "enemy". It's not unlike the flag patches on US military uniforms. You always have the union(blue/stars) portion facing forwards, even if it makes the right shoulder patch look backwards.
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 02:49 PM
I don't mind this on the helmets. Not sure what they will do and this ins't official. Also realize the hawks going to be flying different directions, but I don't think that will be that big of a deal.
https://s32.postimg.org/4yvtrt5g5/Black_ND_on_Green.jpg
Other side of helmet...
http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n610/brhalvors8188/Black_ND_on_Green.jpg
F'N Hawks
June 22nd, 2016, 02:52 PM
Other side of helmet...
http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n610/brhalvors8188/Black_ND_on_Green.jpg
They obviously wouldn't mirror the text, just the hawk. So I am wondering if they reshape the N & D after mirroring the hawk? Only for decal purposes.
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 02:53 PM
They obviously wouldn't mirror the text, just the hawk. So I am wondering if they reshape the N & D after mirroring the hawk? Only for decal purposes.
Have fun. I would vote blank side before trying that.
ursus arctos horribilis
June 22nd, 2016, 02:57 PM
It's the concept of carrying forward into battle. You generally want the mouth/head facing towards the "enemy". It's not unlike the flag patches on US military uniforms. You always have the union(blue/stars) portion facing forwards, even if it makes the right shoulder patch look backwards.
Holy smokes...I guess there is a lot of made up rules that I just didn't pay attention to...that is a really dumb one but if it exists...break it I guess.
ursus arctos horribilis
June 22nd, 2016, 03:00 PM
It doesn't as long as you don't mind only having the logo on one side or the hawk facing two different directions.
https://www.teetransfers.com/images/STK-NFL-BAR-H1999-01.jpg
Replace the Ravens logo on the left with the new UND text/hawk logo......now try to do the same thing on the right/other side of the helmet. I'm sure you get it, but I'm just making sure. xthumbsupx
I absolutely get that it would be facing backward. It is why I asked how come this is no big deal with the logo they have used for the last 50 yrs.? The "D" is pointing backwards.
BisonTru
June 22nd, 2016, 03:00 PM
Other side of helmet...
http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n610/brhalvors8188/Black_ND_on_Green.jpg
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22699&stc=1http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22700&stc=1
I just wouldn't mirror it.
Bisonator
June 22nd, 2016, 03:01 PM
I think it looks stupid. They spent how much money to come up with that? They should ask for a refund! xlolx
From SS: https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13407311_10205345105580756_5982219875549656908_n.j pg?oh=d3772415e7727b2193945b87c4bac07b&oe=57F2054F
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 03:04 PM
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22699&stc=1http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22700&stc=1
I just wouldn't mirror it.
....and that's perfectly fine if that is OK for them. I personally wouldn't like it, but different strokes for different folks.
UNDColorado
June 22nd, 2016, 03:22 PM
Agreed. Hawk on one side and number on the other.
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 03:24 PM
Agreed. Hawk on one side and number on the other.
There ya go....I think that could be cool...
UNDColorado
June 22nd, 2016, 03:26 PM
Still not sure how I feel about this logo yet but our coach (Bubba) made a very passionate speech at the ceremony today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GfGB1oKGOY
Worth a watch.
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 03:42 PM
Still not sure how I feel about this logo yet but our coach (Bubba) made a very passionate speech at the ceremony today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GfGB1oKGOY
Worth a watch.
Totally agree with him about the mascot/name.....kinda wish that speech was made however many ****ing years ago now.
He talked about the culture of the hockey team....maybe he needs to give a few of their captains a call about embracing the logo like he is?
Side note...I thought Bubba was a great hire for UND. As a fellow Jimmie, I think very highly of him and how he goes about coaching.
IBleedYellow
June 22nd, 2016, 03:55 PM
Bubba is about the only shining spot up there - in my opinion. Which is why I know that their FB team will be doing well in the coming years.
clenz
June 22nd, 2016, 03:57 PM
Of course they did. xthumbsupx
Why couldn't they mirror the 'hawk' for the helmets?
That's what UNI does with he flying gopher head.
clenz
June 22nd, 2016, 03:58 PM
Wouldn't have to fly different directions. Can just reverse it so the Hawk is headed toward the N. Might not quite work as well as it does for UNI. On the left side of the helmet the Panther goes toward the U instead of the I like it does normally.
Should read before replying.
Daytripper
June 22nd, 2016, 04:01 PM
Logo on one side, blank on the other..ala Steelers.
IBleedYellow
June 22nd, 2016, 04:02 PM
Still not sure how I feel about this logo yet but our coach (Bubba) made a very passionate speech at the ceremony today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GfGB1oKGOY
Worth a watch.
Great speech. I stand by what I said about him being a bright spot for the University of North Dakota.
UNDColorado
June 22nd, 2016, 04:04 PM
Totally agree with him about the mascot/name.....kinda wish that speech was made however many ****ing years ago now.
He talked about the culture of the hockey team....maybe he needs to give a few of their captains a call about embracing the logo like he is?
Side note...I thought Bubba was a great hire for UND. As a fellow Jimmie, I think very highly of him and how he goes about coaching.
Yeah I heard one of our hockey captains made a dumb tweet earlier and I am not impressed. In the age of social media you have to keep your mouth shut when you are in the spotlight, even if you adamantly disagree.
Bubba is the right guy for the job...we were pretty awful just a couple years ago.
UNDColorado
June 22nd, 2016, 04:05 PM
Logo on one side, blank on the other..ala Steelers.
I could get on board with this too.
IBleedYellow
June 22nd, 2016, 04:05 PM
Yeah I heard one of our hockey captains made a dumb tweet earlier and I am not impressed. In the age of social media you have to keep your mouth shut when you are in the spotlight, even if you adamantly disagree.
Bubba is the right guy for the job...we were pretty awful just a couple years ago.
Mussman was hilariously terrible.
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 04:07 PM
I could get on board with this too.
Kinda where I was leaning/posting earlier until you tossed out the idea about the number on the other side. I would lean that route.
IBleedYellow
June 22nd, 2016, 04:08 PM
Kinda where I was leaning/posting earlier until you tossed out the idea about the number on the other side. I would lean that route.
Logo + Number.
That's it. We solved it!
UNDColorado
June 22nd, 2016, 04:09 PM
Great speech. I stand by what I said about him being a bright spot for the University of North Dakota.
I can't fully agree with you on the only bright spot ( we do have some issues) but he certainly does have the ship pointed in the right direction. He is a good man all around and does things the right way.
- - - Updated - - -
Mussman was hilariously terrible.
He was truly a douche....and a bad coach!
IBleedYellow
June 22nd, 2016, 04:09 PM
I can't fully agree with you on the only bright spot ( we do have some issues) but he certainly does have the ship pointed in the right direction. He is a good man all around and does things the right way.
I'll concede your hockey program - but that's a give-in. xthumbsupx
UNIFanSince1983
June 22nd, 2016, 04:39 PM
It would also be really easy to just remove the ND from that and just have the Hawk head which would be easy to reverse so they are both going forward.
Edit: Well apparently there are a lot more pages here that I haven't read. So this idea has already been thrown out apparently.
Twentysix
June 22nd, 2016, 04:41 PM
:\. I actually feel kinda bad for UND. They had one of the most prominent logos in American sports, and this is complete ****.
Hammerhead
June 22nd, 2016, 04:47 PM
Looks as much like VD as ND. I'm not sure anyone outside of North Dakota or northern Minnesota will even know that is actually ND. Maybe it's MD, VO, MO???
https://s32.postimg.org/4yvtrt5g5/Black_ND_on_Green.jpg
clenz
June 22nd, 2016, 04:53 PM
Looks as much like VD as ND. I'm not sure anyone outside of North Dakota or northern Minnesota will even know that is actually ND. Maybe it's MD, VO, MO???
https://s32.postimg.org/4yvtrt5g5/Black_ND_on_Green.jpg
It looks like literally none of those.
That's just NDSU smack talk
Twentysix
June 22nd, 2016, 04:55 PM
It looks like literally none of those.
That's just NDSU smack talk
I agree. It also only barely looks like ND. It looks more like something unintelligible than anything else.
ursus arctos horribilis
June 22nd, 2016, 05:30 PM
There ya go....I think that could be cool...
Yup, that is a good idea too.
1984
June 22nd, 2016, 05:35 PM
And UND paid how much for that? Well they do have a law school there. maybe some of those students can go to court to get the money back.
ursus arctos horribilis
June 22nd, 2016, 05:47 PM
Still not sure how I feel about this logo yet but our coach (Bubba) made a very passionate speech at the ceremony today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GfGB1oKGOY
Worth a watch.
Really good. I do like Bubba as well. When we had him on the show last year he was a very interesting fella to listen to.
ursus arctos horribilis
June 22nd, 2016, 05:55 PM
It looks like literally none of those.
That's just NDSU smack talk
It isn't even good. Hell I know HH is way better than that last attempt that he pissed down his leg with.
It's overwhelmingly gotten good reviews on AGS and that is a ****ing rare, rare occasion man cuz we are some picky mother ****ers. Hell even though we like it we're still talking about some slight imporovements...xlolx
ursus arctos horribilis
June 22nd, 2016, 05:57 PM
I agree. It also only barely looks like ND. It looks more like something unintelligible than anything else.
It is wierd that some of you from the Bison side seem to be having trouble reading it.
If that f'n joke was already made then screw you! I'm trying to catch up here!
It is pretty hack though.
F'N Hawks
June 22nd, 2016, 06:21 PM
It isn't even good. Hell I know HH is way better than that last attempt that he pissed down his leg with.
It's overwhelmingly gotten good reviews on AGS and that is a ****ing rare, rare occasion man cuz we are some picky mother ****ers. Hell even though we like it we're still talking about some slight imporovements...xlolx
UND Football fans are OK with it. Hockey fans are their usual petulant baby selves, taking their cues from the players, who are just as childish.
ursus arctos horribilis
June 22nd, 2016, 06:29 PM
UND Football fans are OK with it. Hockey fans are their usual petulant baby selves, taking their cues from the players, who are just as childish.
Probably time to tell em' to stfu or UND is dropping Hockey.:D
BisonFan02
June 22nd, 2016, 07:06 PM
Probably time to tell em' to stfu or UND is dropping Hockey.:D
xlolx
POD Knows
June 22nd, 2016, 07:48 PM
Not a fan.
Can't really tell that it's supposed to be "ND" quickly.
I'm sure soon people will recognize it, though.
It is OK but I don't get the "N" part of it, the first time I looked at it I saw VD. It must be just me
POD Knows
June 22nd, 2016, 07:50 PM
Yeah, I had no problem with the ND part at all.
Ursus, it looks like VD. Look at it with your right eye closed xnodx
POD Knows
June 22nd, 2016, 07:56 PM
Holy smokes...I guess there is a lot of made up rules that I just didn't pay attention to...that is a really dumb one but if it exists...break it I guess.
You have to have the "brand" pointing forward, you cannot have a logo with pointing backwards on a helmet.
POD Knows
June 22nd, 2016, 07:58 PM
Logo + Number.
That's it. We solved it!
Yep, that is it, it is the only thing that will work
POD Knows
June 22nd, 2016, 07:59 PM
:\. I actually feel kinda bad for UND. They had one of the most prominent logos in American sports, and this is complete ****.
Aren't you a democrat, if so, you killed it pal.
POD Knows
June 22nd, 2016, 08:01 PM
I agree. It also only barely looks like ND. It looks more like something unintelligible than anything else.
The ND is terrible on this
POD Knows
June 22nd, 2016, 08:04 PM
Probably time to tell em' to stfu or UND is dropping Hockey.:D
UND should split off a piece of **** campus someplace, call it UNDH (University of North Dakota-Hillsboro) and just have hockey and maybe a couple classes that their two year hockey students could handle.
BisonTru
June 22nd, 2016, 08:16 PM
You have to have the "brand" pointing forward, you cannot have a logo with pointing backwards on a helmet.
Why?
This is Bowling Green's
http://media.graytvinc.com/images/bgfootballhelmet.jpg
BisonTru
June 22nd, 2016, 08:54 PM
From what I can gather from twitter, facebook, and ss, this logo isn't going over very well. I'm glad some of the UND fans on this board are trying to embrace it. Doesn't seem too bad to me and many other outsiders on this board.
https://twitter.com/nodakhockey/status/745733659089469440 (https://twitter.com/nodakhockey/status/745733659089469440)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CllgzbGUkAA_EZF.jpg:large
taper
June 22nd, 2016, 08:55 PM
All the UND alum at work hated it. Most of them were in the "don't talk to me" stage by the end of the day. Not the most promising start for your fan base. I think it's pretty bland but not horrible. Definitely not worth the $50k of my taxpayer money they spent on it, the student graphics shop could have done better in a weekend. Apparently UND is also dropping the interlocking ND completely, which I think is a mistake. That's a good looking secondary logo.
POD Knows
June 22nd, 2016, 09:06 PM
Why?
This is Bowling Green's
http://media.graytvinc.com/images/bgfootballhelmet.jpg
OK, I am laughing so hard I can barely type.
Twentysix
June 22nd, 2016, 09:20 PM
It is wierd that some of you from the Bison side seem to be having trouble reading it.
If that f'n joke was already made then screw you! I'm trying to catch up here!
It is pretty hack though.
No, I honestly think that it is tough to discern what it is supposed to say. Out of context I doubt anyone will see it and go oh that is an "ND", North Dakota, of course.
They should have used a different font or placed the bird a little bit differently, or done something completely different.
POD Knows
June 22nd, 2016, 09:28 PM
No, I honestly think that it is tough to discern what it is supposed to say. Out of context I doubt anyone will see it and go oh that is an "ND", North Dakota, of course.
They should have used a different font or placed the bird a little bit differently, or done something completely different.
I agree, they should have somehow incorporated the interlocking ND with the Hawk logo. I think this sucks, you can barely tell it is ND, the "N" is distorted and ****ed up, but I don't care, this has been UND cluster **** from day one. How many total tax payer dollars went into this fiasco.
SDFS
June 22nd, 2016, 09:48 PM
All the UND alum at work hated it. Most of them were in the "don't talk to me" stage by the end of the day. Not the most promising start for your fan base. I think it's pretty bland but not horrible. Definitely not worth the $50k of my taxpayer money they spent on it, the student graphics shop could have done better in a weekend. Apparently UND is also dropping the interlocking ND completely, which I think is a mistake. That's a good looking secondary logo.
Exactly, only UND would introduce a logo and ruin the interlocking ND. WTF!!! The interlocking ND was my fallback. How do you **** that up when introducing a logo?
IBleedYellow
June 22nd, 2016, 10:30 PM
Exactly, only UND would introduce a logo and ruin the interlocking ND. WTF!!! The interlocking ND was my fallback. How do you **** that up when introducing a logo?
I mean.
Look at how this whole situation was handled.
Does it really surprise you? If it does you haven't been paying attention.
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Yote 53
June 22nd, 2016, 10:32 PM
That logo sucks. All these years of struggle and the payoff was a generic name and a crappy logo. Congratulations to the bureaucrats on their great "process". You should be so proud.
I'm kind of hoping NoDak fans are being jerked with here and shown how bad this can be and in a month or two a real nickname and logo will be revealed. Though it won't be Sioux it would probably be accepted with relief and gratitude after this fiasco.
Yote 53
June 22nd, 2016, 10:37 PM
Exactly, only UND would introduce a logo and ruin the interlocking ND. WTF!!! The interlocking ND was my fallback. How do you **** that up when introducing a logo?
Yeah, just look to the south. Interlocking SD inside the Coyote Paw. It's the logo we all wanted and lobbied for down here when we were changing from some of the ridiculous crap we had in the past and we got what we wanted. I don't ever see our logo changing again, at least not for quite some time.
This isn't that hard and the UND officials made it incredibly difficult.
POD Knows
June 22nd, 2016, 11:15 PM
From what I can gather from twitter, facebook, and ss, this logo isn't going over very well. I'm glad some of the UND fans on this board are trying to embrace it. Doesn't seem too bad to me and many other outsiders on this board.
https://twitter.com/nodakhockey/status/745733659089469440 (https://twitter.com/nodakhockey/status/745733659089469440)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CllgzbGUkAA_EZF.jpg:large
Oh ****, this is so good, I take back every bad thing I said about you
clenz
June 23rd, 2016, 07:57 AM
Here's the thing about going with just the interlocking ND
NDSU jagoffs would start screaming about not moving to a new logo only promotes the old Sioux name staying around in an unofficial official capacity.
I showed the logo to the guy I work with. Have him no back story other than its for a school and asked him which one. Didn't tell him HS, college, sport specific or not, nothing.
He instantly got it was ND and guessed North Dakota University after some thinking.
The guy I work with is the average, actually above average, college football fan. He's an Iowa fan and fits the definition of follows college football more than the average fan but not to a crazy in depth.
Anecdotal? Probably, but worth sharing.
Oh, and just to give NDSU fans a bit of a reality check for how you're viewed by this type of fan-he has no idea what city NDSU is in, what the mascot is, and couldn't give two flying ****s about how many FCS titles you have.
AmsterBison
June 23rd, 2016, 09:01 AM
Oh, and just to give NDSU fans a bit of a reality check for how you're viewed by this type of fan-he has no idea what city NDSU is in, what the mascot is, and couldn't give two flying ****s about how many FCS titles you have.
Ask him again if he knows about NDSU in, oh I don't know, three months. :)
Iowa fans must be extraordinarily kind folks to forget the team who embarrassed their two biggest rivals.
Lots of college football fans don't know anything about the University of Sioux Falls... but NDSU fans can name a couple facts about them.
IBleedYellow
June 23rd, 2016, 09:07 AM
Ask him again if he knows about NDSU in, oh I don't know, three months. :)
Iowa fans must be extraordinarily kind folks to forget the team who embarrassed their two biggest rivals.
Lots of college football fans don't know anything about the University of Sioux Falls... but NDSU fans can name a couple facts about them.
Trigger warning for UND fans.
clenz
June 23rd, 2016, 09:15 AM
Ask him again if he knows about NDSU in, oh I don't know, three months. :)
Iowa fans must be extraordinarily kind folks to forget the team who embarrassed their two biggest rivals.
Lots of college football fans don't know anything about the University of Sioux Falls... but NDSU fans can name a couple facts about them.
He's not one of "those Iowa fans". He's essentially me when it comes to college football, just on the FBS level.
He still won't give a flying ****, even if you beat them. Why? Because, contrary to the cultist NDSU fans belief, 99.999999% of college football fans don't give two ****s about NDSU. Just as they don't give a damn about the MAC or D2 or D3.
99.9% of Iowa fans don't give a flying f about UNI either. UNI beats Iowa State? The joke is "You got beat by UNI". That lasts for about 2 weeks and it's on to something else.
I, we, all love the FCS, but NDSU is akin to being the worlds largest ant. Sure, you might be about an inch and a half long, while the rest of the ants aren't the big, but you're still an ant to every other species in existence.
UNDColorado
June 23rd, 2016, 09:36 AM
Trigger warning for UND fans.
Haha that was a dark time. Thankfully we seem to be trending in the right direction.
AmsterBison
June 23rd, 2016, 09:52 AM
He's not one of "those Iowa fans". He's essentially me when it comes to college football, just on the FBS level.
He still won't give a flying ****, even if you beat them. Why? Because, contrary to the cultist NDSU fans belief, 99.999999% of college football fans don't give two ****s about NDSU. Just as they don't give a damn about the MAC or D2 or D3.
Generally, the only people who care about a college football game are fans of the teams participating in it.
Anyway, my enjoyment of NDSU football doesn't really depend on what Iowa fans think about the Bison. I mean, college football is regional so it is very important that NDSU dominates and expands its base. NDSU is doing a pretty good job at that. For example, I bet NDSU gets better in-state TV ratings than Iowa does.
Kind of sounds like your view is that all those grapes that UNI fans have never tasted must be sour. Five FCS champions in a row? clenz thinks nobody cares. Beating Big 10 teams and Big 12 teams not named Iowa State? clenz is unimpressed. Getting ESPN Game Day to come around once or twice or three times? clenz stifles a yawn.
Clenz, you sound kind of like a UND fan in that your comments make me wonder why UNI bothers to field a team. :)
Laker
June 23rd, 2016, 10:33 AM
Lots of college football fans don't know anything about the University of Sioux Falls... but NDSU fans can name a couple facts about them.
So can MSU-Mankato fans- especially when Jon Wolf did this. I was in the VIP booth and there was a collective gasp when it happened.
https://vine.co/v/hT1v9XJ7Uuw
dmksioux
June 23rd, 2016, 11:08 AM
You have to have the "brand" pointing forward, you cannot have a logo with pointing backwards on a helmet.
Why not? The one in my avatar seemed to work out pretty well. Although admittedly it was never on a football helmet for UND. But it is "facing backwards."
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Bisonator
June 23rd, 2016, 11:15 AM
He's not one of "those Iowa fans". He's essentially me when it comes to college football, just on the FBS level.
He still won't give a flying ****, even if you beat them. Why? Because, contrary to the cultist NDSU fans belief, 99.999999% of college football fans don't give two ****s about NDSU. Just as they don't give a damn about the MAC or D2 or D3.
99.9% of Iowa fans don't give a flying f about UNI either. UNI beats Iowa State? The joke is "You got beat by UNI". That lasts for about 2 weeks and it's on to something else.
I, we, all love the FCS, but NDSU is akin to being the worlds largest ant. Sure, you might be about an inch and a half long, while the rest of the ants aren't the big, but you're still an ant to every other species in existence.
No argument here. Same can be said about UNI BB.;)
ursus arctos horribilis
June 23rd, 2016, 11:39 AM
You have to have the "brand" pointing forward, you cannot have a logo with pointing backwards on a helmet.
If you are a silly boy I suppose you do.
Hammersmith
June 23rd, 2016, 12:13 PM
No argument here. Same can be said about UNI BB.;)
Oh, here we go. ;)
BisonFan02
June 23rd, 2016, 12:25 PM
Oh, here we go. ;)
WE WERE ON SPORTS ILLUSTRATED LIKE XXXX YEARS AGO! :D
clenz
June 23rd, 2016, 12:36 PM
No argument here. Same can be said about UNI BB.;)
If that's your story, please stick to it.
IBleedYellow
June 23rd, 2016, 12:54 PM
Y'all had to poke the bear about Basketball...didn't you.
ursus arctos horribilis
June 23rd, 2016, 01:24 PM
Y'all had to poke the bear about Basketball...didn't you.
I was just checking which board this was on and I congratulate clenz on his retort considering this.xthumbsupx
UNIFanSince1983
June 23rd, 2016, 01:50 PM
Ask him again if he knows about NDSU in, oh I don't know, three months. :)
Iowa fans must be extraordinarily kind folks to forget the team who embarrassed their two biggest rivals.
Lots of college football fans don't know anything about the University of Sioux Falls... but NDSU fans can name a couple facts about them.
I think Iowa considers Minnesota a rival the same way NDSU considers UND a rival. As for Iowa fans and Iowa State they just find it funny when Iowa State loses to anyone or gets embarrassed by anyone. Even though it is a recent rivalry that is mostly created, I think Iowa thinks of Nebraska as their chief football rival. At least my experience with Iowa fans feels that way.
Laker
June 23rd, 2016, 01:57 PM
I think Iowa considers Minnesota a rival the same way NDSU considers UND a rival. As for Iowa fans and Iowa State they just find it funny when Iowa State loses to anyone or gets embarrassed by anyone. Even though it is a recent rivalry that is mostly created, I think Iowa thinks of Nebraska as their chief football rival. At least my experience with Iowa fans feels that way.
Part of the Iowa-Minnesota rivalry v the Iowa-Wisconsin rivalry depends on what part of MN you live in. If you live west of the Twin Cities or along the southern tier of counties, you think of Iowa as the biggest rival. But the Twin Cities tends to think of Wisconsin as such. Included is the big hockey rivalry- not just men's but also women's, since one or the other of the latter tend to take the national title.
No Big Ten football titles since 1967- and counting.
clenz
June 23rd, 2016, 01:57 PM
I think Iowa considers Minnesota a rival the same way NDSU considers UND a rival. As for Iowa fans and Iowa State they just find it funny when Iowa State loses to anyone or gets embarrassed by anyone. Even though it is a recent rivalry that is mostly created, I think Iowa thinks of Nebraska as their chief football rival. At least my experience with Iowa fans feels that way.
Iowa fans's favorite reply to Iowa State smack talk is UAB beat you in the NCAA tournament 2 years ago or "You lost as a 2 seed in the first round". They don't care who the opponent is.
Yote 53
June 23rd, 2016, 11:16 PM
Iowa's two biggest rivals are Nebraska and Wisconsin. Minnesota is up there probably ahead of the rest of the traditional Big Ten teams.
ISU is a game that most Iowa fans could do without and would like to see dropped. Rival? Nah, just annoying. No satisfaction in beating the Clones.
Born & raised Hawkeye here. That's why Clenz loves me so. I'm a Coyote and a Hawkeye, his two favorite teams.
dewey
June 25th, 2016, 05:43 AM
Looks like there is already a petition to change UND'S logo.
http://www.inforum.com/news/north-dakota/4061834-petition-started-change-und-logo
Dewey
POD Knows
June 25th, 2016, 08:44 AM
Why not? The one in my avatar seemed to work out pretty well. Although admittedly it was never on a football helmet for UND. But it is "facing backwards."
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I don't suppose they both have to point forward, it is just a personal preference I guess, it looks more symmetrical.
1984
June 25th, 2016, 11:58 AM
He's not one of "those Iowa fans". He's essentially me when it comes to college football, just on the FBS level.
He still won't give a flying ****, even if you beat them. Why? Because, contrary to the cultist NDSU fans belief, 99.999999% of college football fans don't give two ****s about NDSU. Just as they don't give a damn about the MAC or D2 or D3.
99.9% of Iowa fans don't give a flying f about UNI either. UNI beats Iowa State? The joke is "You got beat by UNI". That lasts for about 2 weeks and it's on to something else.
I, we, all love the FCS, but NDSU is akin to being the worlds largest ant. Sure, you might be about an inch and a half long, while the rest of the ants aren't the big, but you're still an ant to every other species in existence.
I have no problem with that statement. But then that would make Iowa a 1.51 inch ant. Most people do not watch or follow all levels of football. There is simply not the time in their life for it so we pick and choose. I could not tell you who the best teams are in FBS football. I sure I could guess a dozen or so schools that play at that level but I could also guess that many at FCS and Division II also. I could not name even one participant in a "Bowl" game even in the last 5 years. If you are a fan of that level of any sport you are going to know of many of the teams. Since FBS football means little to me...... When I hear Iowa I do not think football I think a state or corn. Just as I am sure when people say North Dakota most people do not think football. but rather oil or cold.
AmsterBison
June 27th, 2016, 09:54 AM
Iowa's two biggest rivals are Nebraska and Wisconsin. Minnesota is up there probably ahead of the rest of the traditional Big Ten teams.
ISU is a game that most Iowa fans could do without and would like to see dropped. Rival? Nah, just annoying. No satisfaction in beating the Clones.
Born & raised Hawkeye here. That's why Clenz loves me so. I'm a Coyote and a Hawkeye, his two favorite teams.
You are probably right about the way things stand now. I mean, who am I to argue who Iowa's rivals are? IMO, you are on shaky ground historically though. Nebraska and Iowa only played twice in the 25+ years leading up to NDSU's last game with Minnesota (and got beat by a combined score of 84-20.) Doesn't seem like it was much of a rivalry back then. Moreover, I remember Iowa fans flooding Minneapolis for that football game and, having lived there, I've actually heard of their trophy (Floyd of Rosedale) whereas I didn't know until today that Wisconsin and Iowa had a trophy up for grabs. So who's the ant now? :)
Maybe we can agree that Iowa State is to Iowa what UND is to NDSU. And, yeah, SDSU/UNI are bigger rivals than UND currently if not historically. Even so, it's still handy for a Bison fan to know that Drake took a historic in-state rival to the wire because there are always UND neighbors, relatives, or friends who try to talk smack Black-Knight-In-Monty-Python-And-The-Holy-Grail style. But, hey, to each their own.
Bisonator
June 27th, 2016, 11:29 AM
Back on topic: http://www.inforum.com/news/north-dakota/4061834-petition-started-change-und-logo
The inmates have started a petition to change their days old logo.xlolx
Looks like Dewey beat me to it. :D
Yote 53
June 27th, 2016, 11:47 AM
You are probably right about the way things stand now. I mean, who am I to argue who Iowa's rivals are? IMO, you are on shaky ground historically though. Nebraska and Iowa only played twice in the 25+ years leading up to NDSU's last game with Minnesota (and got beat by a combined score of 84-20.) Doesn't seem like it was much of a rivalry back then. Moreover, I remember Iowa fans flooding Minneapolis for that football game and, having lived there, I've actually heard of their trophy (Floyd of Rosedale) whereas I didn't know until today that Wisconsin and Iowa had a trophy up for grabs. So who's the ant now? :)
Maybe we can agree that Iowa State is to Iowa what UND is to NDSU. And, yeah, SDSU/UNI are bigger rivals than UND currently if not historically. Even so, it's still handy for a Bison fan to know that Drake took a historic in-state rival to the wire because there are always UND neighbors, relatives, or friends who try to talk smack Black-Knight-In-Monty-Python-And-The-Holy-Grail style. But, hey, to each their own.
I grew up on the Iowa/Nebraska border. Anybody who grew up in Western Iowa knows that there has been a cold war rivalry between Iowa and Nebraska percolating under the surface for about 30 years or so. Traditionally Minnesota and Wisconsin are big rivals as well. Rivalries for Iowa kind of depend upon which part of the state you live in.
Back to the topic of UND. It would not surprise me if this logo they rolled out was intentionally bad because they knew that no matter how good it was it wasn't going to be accepted. Now that UND fans have hit rock bottom by being saddled with a crappy name and a crappy logo the rebuilding process can begin and two years from now they can begin a serious process of coming up with a permanent nickname and logo that will be accepted by the vast majority. The Fighting Hawks name and logo is the equivalent of waking up in the county jail with a bad hangover after being on a 3 day bender. I'm guessing Roughriders doesn't look and sound too bad about right now.
ursus arctos horribilis
June 27th, 2016, 12:08 PM
Hey fella's, you want a thread about Iowa rivals go start one elsewhere. You are done f'n this one up.
BisonTru
June 27th, 2016, 12:20 PM
Back to the topic of UND. It would not surprise me if this logo they rolled out was intentionally bad because they knew that no matter how good it was it wasn't going to be accepted. Now that UND fans have hit rock bottom by being saddled with a crappy name and a crappy logo the rebuilding process can begin and two years from now they can begin a serious process of coming up with a permanent nickname and logo that will be accepted by the vast majority. The Fighting Hawks name and logo is the equivalent of waking up in the county jail with a bad hangover after being on a 3 day bender. I'm guessing Roughriders doesn't look and sound too bad about right now.
UND fans haven't hit rock bottom for most of them. Rock bottom is that place where you realize you have to quit living in denial. I know a lot of UND fans and the large majority of them are in the Sioux forever camp. I applaud Bubba and the few (even a few posters on here) that are trying to move on and embrace this nickname. I don't think they tried to screw it up. Nothing they could have spit out would have been well received except a hawk with feathered hair dress. Which isn't going to happen per the NCAA, but still many are trying to cling onto unrealistic hopes.
UNDColorado
June 27th, 2016, 01:22 PM
I grew up on the Iowa/Nebraska border. Anybody who grew up in Western Iowa knows that there has been a cold war rivalry between Iowa and Nebraska percolating under the surface for about 30 years or so. Traditionally Minnesota and Wisconsin are big rivals as well. Rivalries for Iowa kind of depend upon which part of the state you live in.
Back to the topic of UND. It would not surprise me if this logo they rolled out was intentionally bad because they knew that no matter how good it was it wasn't going to be accepted. Now that UND fans have hit rock bottom by being saddled with a crappy name and a crappy logo the rebuilding process can begin and two years from now they can begin a serious process of coming up with a permanent nickname and logo that will be accepted by the vast majority. The Fighting Hawks name and logo is the equivalent of waking up in the county jail with a bad hangover after being on a 3 day bender. I'm guessing Roughriders doesn't look and sound too bad about right now.
I voted for Roughriders. The only bright spot in this whole process was that Sundogs was voted out quickly lol.
BisonFan02
June 27th, 2016, 07:31 PM
I voted for Roughriders. The only bright spot in this whole process was that Sundogs was voted out quickly lol.
The bright spot is in my signature.... xlolx
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