Nations Best Recruiting Class???

[Milktruck74]

A ton of hype is place on recruiting (what else is there to talk about in February?) by people wanting to sell subscriptions to their blog/website/magazine.... They grade recruiting classes by the number of stars on some grading system they pulled out of thin air. this only tells us how good the recruits are in HS...NOT how well they will contribute to the team. I think it is much more important for a team to fill their NEEDS rather than get stars. So, what grade do you give your school's class for this year?

[Milktruck74]

I'm giving the Moc's 4.5 stars of 5. I think this year's class matches the needs of the team nicely. I felt like the class was a solid 4 star class, but the caliber of the kids added the half star....Most kids were academic honor roll, a few were offered by service academies, and I personally met one the other day out sledding....extremely polite, well spoken and humble!!! They just needed to steal one crazy good (no business signing) recruit to top out at the full 5 stars. I'm happy!!!!

[centennial]

http://chattanooga.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits

NDSU-
http://ndsu.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits

Even though 247 just works on stars it looks like the mocs are solid. The x factor is the non star kids, its hard to say how good some of them are. Missing camps and not getting FBS interest can determine the rankings.

[Gangtackle11]

The best recruiting class this year will be determined in 2018/19 & not before.

Villanova brought in 16 recruits. 5/6 with 2 stars, a RB who shunned SEC Vandy, & 3 playing in the Big 33 game in PA. Still as promising as some of those recruits are the class can't be called a success until a few years from now.

http://villanova.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits

[SU DOG]

I can take the Rivals list and make a very good case for Samford's signees to be better than UTC's. Yes, it is interesting, but not at all objective. The 247sports list does not even include all of our players that are ranked by this service(of course neither does Rivals). FCS lists just don't seem to be very important to the recruiting services, as they are usually so incomplete.
SoCon Recruiting seems to also think Samford might have the top class. I guess we can all check back in a few years.

http://soconrecruiting.com/2015-samford-wrapup/

[citdog]

samford is the new chatty...

[BisonFan02]

samford is the new chatty...

Since when did chatty stop being the old chatty or just being all "chatty" like? :D

[Milktruck74]

The best recruiting class this year will be determined in 2018/19 & not before.

Villanova brought in 16 recruits. 5/6 with 2 stars, a RB who shunned SEC Vandy, & 3 playing in the Big 33 game in PA. Still as promising as some of those recruits are the class can't be called a success until a few years from now.

http://villanova.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits


Somebody gets it!!!! You win the internet for today!!!

[Milktruck74]

I also take exception to a school that (exaggerated for emphasis) recruits four 5-star QBs and recruits nothing to fill holes in their mediocre defense being called a top recruiting class....First off only one of those kids will play QB at a time and you did nothing to secure your D. Also, what about a component for grades, a 5 start that fails out after 1 year does nothing to further the program.... I'd much rather have a senior that didn't have any stars in HS than a freshman (one and done) 5 star.

[SFA 93]

SFA (Including signees, JUCO, transfers, and walk-ons)

Stars from either 247; ESPN; Rivals; Scout
*** (3)
** (9)
Offensive or Defensive District MVPS: 7
All-State: 8
1st Team All-District: 21
JUCO All-Americans: 1
JUCO Conference Player of the Year: 1
JUCO All-Conference Player: 3

Conque is a recruiting machine, probably the best class ever at SFA.

[clenz]

UNI gets 123,324,647,090 stars out if 5.

Why?

Because the recruiting service I just made up says so.

Do you guys actually understand how little attention Rivals, Scout, 24/7,etc... actually give to guys outside the top 150-200, even if their list us the "top 300", right?

I worked for rivals for 4 years, I know how these things work

[Cocky]

2015 FOOTBALL SIGNEES (15)
Marlon Bridges (SAF, 6-0, 185, Lanett, Ala./Lanett HS) http://s8212.storage.proboards.com/5498212/i/3lIZqJJxEGuRKNhhtkwS.png
Branqavious Bussey (OL, 6-3, 290, Lanett, Ala./Lanett HS) http://s8212.storage.proboards.com/5498212/i/Na1nAkzHBhLIL3nPhcdg.png
Daniel Byrd (WR, 6-0, 180, Pensacola, Fla./Pensacola Catholic HS)
Jalen Choice (LB, 6-1, 227, Tuscaloosa, Ala./Hillcrest HS)
Shi'Kim Coward (RB, 5-10, 180, Niceville, Fla./Niceville HS) http://s8212.storage.proboards.com/5498212/i/3lIZqJJxEGuRKNhhtkwS.png
Dorien Dickey (WR, 5-9, 165, Greenville, S.C./Christ Church Episcopal HS) http://s8212.storage.proboards.com/5498212/i/Na1nAkzHBhLIL3nPhcdg.png
Tremaine Dillard (WR, 6-3, 185, Lovejoy, Ga./Lovejoy HS) http://s8212.storage.proboards.com/5498212/i/3lIZqJJxEGuRKNhhtkwS.png
Eliah Goodman (DE, 6-4, 210, College Park, Ga./Hapeville Charter HS)
Jamari Hester (TE, 6-6, 210, Miami, Fla./Miami Central HS) http://s8212.storage.proboards.com/5498212/i/Na1nAkzHBhLIL3nPhcdg.png
Jalyn Johnson (DE, 6-3, 230, Dadeville, Ala./Dadeville HS) http://s8212.storage.proboards.com/5498212/i/Na1nAkzHBhLIL3nPhcdg.png
Cedric Miller (RB, 5-10, 185, Miami, Fla./Miami Central HS) http://s8212.storage.proboards.com/5498212/i/Na1nAkzHBhLIL3nPhcdg.png
Jayse Pruitt (QB, 5-11, 194, Rainsville, Ala./Plainview HS)
Randy Robinson (DL, 6-2, 320, Lovejoy, Ga./Lovejoy HS) http://s8212.storage.proboards.com/5498212/i/Na1nAkzHBhLIL3nPhcdg.png
Dallas Tucker (OL, 6-3, 280, Tallahassee, Fla./North Florida Christian) http://s8212.storage.proboards.com/5498212/i/Na1nAkzHBhLIL3nPhcdg.png
Nuka Yobo (OL, 6-2, 250, Covington, Ga./Newton HS)

2015 JANUARY ENROLLEES (3)
Montrez Lang (DL, 6-2, 295,Prichard, Ala./Vigor HS) http://s8212.storage.proboards.com/5498212/i/Na1nAkzHBhLIL3nPhcdg.png
Joel MaCandless (LB, 6-2, 229, Birmingham, Ala./Hinds (Miss.) CC)
Joseph Roberts (DE, 6-3, 215, Trussville, Ala./UAB) http://s8212.storage.proboards.com/5498212/i/Na1nAkzHBhLIL3nPhcdg.png

2015 INVITED WALK-ONS (7)
Daylon Brackett (QB, 6-4, 195, Jacksonville, Ala./JCA)
Will Dye (G/NG, 6-3, 305, Madison, Ala./Madison Academy)
Mason McLean (P/K, 5-10, 190, Lincoln, Ala./Lincoln HS) http://s8212.storage.proboards.com/5498212/i/Na1nAkzHBhLIL3nPhcdg.png
Josh Pearson (WR, 6-4, 185, Decatur, Ala./Austin HS)
Will Pyburn (QB, 6-5, 205, Padadena, Calif./La Salle HS)
Austin Rice (WR/S, 6-1, 185, Sevierville, Tenn./Sevier Co. HS)
Monty Young (LB, 6-2, 235, Saks, Ala./Saks HS)

Cedric Miller is a 4 star by ESPN but it is still hard for me to believe any 4 star is going FCS so he is listed with his lowest ranking.

[chattownmocs]

Can't trust anything on guys that fall to this level. You can't even trust nfl.com evaluations on fcs players. Davis Tull's combine profile on NFL.com says "average athlete" and then he goes out and at posts the best vertical and 2nd best broad jump among LBs. An FCS DE.

[centennial]

UNI gets 123,324,647,090 stars out if 5.

Why?

Because the recruiting service I just made up says so.

Do you guys actually understand how little attention Rivals, Scout, 24/7,etc... actually give to guys outside the top 150-200, even if their list us the "top 300", right?

I worked for rivals for 4 years, I know how these things work
This I completely agree with. Star ratings mostly crap outside the best HS players. I've seen no star/ 2 star kids come to NDSU and dominate those 3-4 star players.

[Milktruck74]

This I completely agree with. Star ratings mostly crap outside the best HS players. I've seen no star/ 2 star kids come to NDSU and dominate those 3-4 star players.


Much of this is a popularity contest. How much promotion does the HS coach put out there....what is his opinion worth...does the kid play for a known school????

[PaladinFan]

It is all relative. The Second Team All-SoCon TE this season was a walk-on quarterback last year.

[Silenoz]

So, "amazing" is everyone's answer. Sounds about right.

Both Montana and Montana State fans are crowing about their dominant recruiting, especially in-state. That about sums this BS up.

[FUBeAR]

I can take the Rivals list and make a very good case for Samford's signees to be better than UTC's.

I can take Rivals list for Mercer and make a...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8oAQOvOEXY

[goodynsu26]

Norfolk State Football Recruiting Class Ranked 9th Among HBCUs



http://www.nsuspartans.com/news/2015/2/11/FB_0211150908.aspx (http://www.nsuspartans.com/news/2015/2/11/FB_0211150908.aspx)

[McNeese72]

All those "stars" don't mean *****. What does is how the players do in the careers after they get there. You can't really grade a recruiting class until they are finished playing.

Doc

[lionsrking2]

All those "stars" don't mean *****. What does is how the players do in the careers after they get there. You can't really grade a recruiting class until they are finished playing.

Doc

True story. xthumbsupx

[lionsrking2]

A ton of hype is place on recruiting (what else is there to talk about in February?) by people wanting to sell subscriptions to their blog/website/magazine.... They grade recruiting classes by the number of stars on some grading system they pulled out of thin air. this only tells us how good the recruits are in HS...NOT how well they will contribute to the team. I think it is much more important for a team to fill their NEEDS rather than get stars. So, what grade do you give your school's class for this year?

I don't know about grade or comparing to others but I feel we signed a class that builds on our success over the last couple of years and should help us stay in the hunt in the SLC and FCS. Time will tell of course.

[Catatonic]

SFA (Including signees, JUCO, transfers, and walk-ons)

Stars from either 247; ESPN; Rivals; Scout
*** (3)
** (9)
Offensive or Defensive District MVPS: 7
All-State: 8
1st Team All-District: 21
JUCO All-Americans: 1
JUCO Conference Player of the Year: 1
JUCO All-Conference Player: 3

Conque is a recruiting machine, probably the best class ever at SFA.


UNI gets 123,324,647,090 stars out if 5.

Why?

Because the recruiting service I just made up says so.

Do you guys actually understand how little attention Rivals, Scout, 24/7,etc... actually give to guys outside the top 150-200, even if their list us the "top 300", right?

I worked for rivals for 4 years, I know how these things work

This.

There is some pretty compelling evidence of the correlation between recruiting and on the field success for FBS teams, and that 4-5 star guys coming out of high school are more likely to drafted by the NFL. This does not mean that same principle holds true for FCS teams for the reasons you so clearly state.

Recruiting is more of a challenge at the FCS level; more dependent on coaching judgement about whether a player is a good "fit" for a program and has the motivation and capacity to be successful at the D1 level. For example, will a 6'5 270 pound tackle be able to add the 20-30 pounds of good weight needed to become a good FCS tackle, or how he will react when he no longer dominates D linemen based on sheer size and strength?

At both the FBS and FCS levels, recruiting is only part of the formula for success. Whether there exists a culture for player development is the other part of the equation. Here, too, there are particular challenges for FCS coaches that do not exist at the FBS level--smaller S&C staffs, underpaid coaches and so forth. I have read part of the reason for NDSU's success is the outstanding culture of development that exists in their program--participation in off season work outs, including summers and so forth.

I have a lot of respect for FCS and lower coaches who need to make these sorts of judgments without the assistance of paid recruiting staff or the attention of the national recruiting services. 247, Rivals and Scout are more focused on elite players and provide, at best, a cursory judgement of most of the players who wind up in FCS. Coaches must then toil away with minimal resources to develop players while making less than a manager at Taco Bell or a position coach at larger high schools.

PS. Not trying to denigrate SFA's recruiting year. I agree that Conque did a fine job of reeling in talent this year.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Tough to compare at this level IMO.

But it is interesting to see many Valley schools bringing in multiple FBS/Juco transfers this year.

NDSU, occasionally brings in a FBS transfer (King-RB) is an example but I do not remember multiple guys in the same year.

[clenz]

3 of UNIs transfers were high school teammates in NJ. Kind of a unique situation

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[Twentysix]

Tough to compare at this level IMO.

But it is interesting to see many Valley schools bringing in multiple FBS/Juco transfers this year.

NDSU, occasionally brings in a FBS transfer (King-RB) is an example but I do not remember multiple guys in the same year.

Being in the boonies probably makes us a relatively unattractive FBS transfer destination.

I'm sure other programs get plenty of FBS transfer interest when compared to NDSU (though I'm sure we have more interest than one every decade).

The MVFC teams in Indiana/Iowa/Illinois have a lot more local/regional FBS teams to draw from.

I would even expect SDSU to have more FBS interest than us due to proximity to UNL.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

3 of UNIs transfers were high school teammates in NJ. Kind of a unique situation

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Wow....that is very unique. Wonder if one guy suggested to the coaching staff that the others were looking to transfer also?

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Being in the boonies probably makes us a relatively unattractive FBS transfer destination.

I'm sure other programs get plenty of FBS transfer interest when compared to NDSU (though I'm sure we have more interest than one every decade).

The MVFC teams in Indiana/Iowa/Illinois have a lot more local/regional FBS teams to draw from.

I would even expect SDSU to have more FBS interest than us due to proximity to UNL.



I agree that Fargo is probably not the most attractive school geography wise for FBS transfers to look at.

[BisonFan02]

Being in the boonies probably makes us a relatively unattractive FBS transfer destination.

I'm sure other programs get plenty of FBS transfer interest when compared to NDSU (though I'm sure we have more interest than one every decade).

The MVFC teams in Indiana/Iowa/Illinois have a lot more local/regional FBS teams to draw from.

I would even expect SDSU to have more FBS interest than us due to proximity to UNL.

This isn't necessarily true....I'll have to dig, but Klieman stated in an interview they get ALOT of FBS transfer inquiries.

[clenz]

Wow....that is very unique. Wonder if one guy suggested to the coaching staff that the others were looking to transfer also?
That's pretty much what happened.

The 5* RB transfer from Rutgers, Savon Huggins, was the first, I believe. He only has 1 year left but is a big power back with extremely high character from anyone who knows him apparently. Kind of a "stop gap" in developing younger RBs I guess.

He either mentioned to the coaches, or brought UNI to the other guys.

One of them was at WVU and the other at Nebraska. Both saw the field.

Will be interesting to see how they fit in.

All went to St Peters Prep

http://www.unipanthers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=26200&ATCLID=209874776
http://www.unipanthers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=26200&ATCLID=209874939
http://www.unipanthers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=26200&ATCLID=209875102


That was 3 of the 7 transfers - the other 4 were JUCOs

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

That's pretty much what happened.

The 5* RB transfer from Rutgers, Savon Huggins, was the first, I believe. He only has 1 year left but is a big power back with extremely high character from anyone who knows him apparently. Kind of a "stop gap" in developing younger RBs I guess.

He either mentioned to the coaches, or brought UNI to the other guys.

One of them was at WVU and the other at Nebraska. Both saw the field.

Will be interesting to see how they fit in.

All went to St Peters Prep

http://www.unipanthers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=26200&ATCLID=209874776
http://www.unipanthers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=26200&ATCLID=209874939
http://www.unipanthers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=26200&ATCLID=209875102


That was 3 of the 7 transfers - the other 4 were JUCOs





DJ is a big loss but I'm sure the RB from Rutgers will challenge for the starting spot right away.

I would like to be a fly on the wall this year in the UNI spring practices to see the new offense being installed. My bet is the defense will carry the team until the offense finds its "groove" early in the season. Trouble is the first 5 games are tough as hell and four of them are on the road.

Will Sawyer be the starting QB come fall? I see one of the transfers is a huge QB...6-6!

[clenz]

DJ is a big loss but I'm sure the RB from Rutgers will challenge for the starting spot right away.

I would like to be a fly on the wall this year in the UNI spring practices to see the new offense being installed. My bet is the defense will carry the team until the offense finds its "groove" early in the season. Trouble is the first 5 games are tough as hell and four of them are on the road.

Will Sawyer be the starting QB come fall? I see one of the transfers is a huge QB...6-6!
I would imagine Sawyer is the starter.

Dalton Demos will be interesting to watch though. He was initially signed by CCU but was beaten out by Ross down there. He went JUCO and is now at UNI. He seems to be the "proto type" for the system that the new OC is bringing.

The freshman from Illinois is likely the "long term" answer after Sawyer/Demos is gone.

All QB's are "even" now though. New coach, new system, new everything. Does the senior (Sawyer) ride it this year and Davis develops kids behind him or does he want a younger kid in right away to get game experience in the system?

Will be very interesting to watch. I think there's 6 or 7 QBs on the roster right now.

[centennial]

I would imagine Sawyer is the starter.

Dalton Demos will be interesting to watch though. He was initially signed by CCU but was beaten out by Ross down there. He went JUCO and is now at UNI. He seems to be the "proto type" for the system that the new OC is bringing.

The freshman from Illinois is likely the "long term" answer after Sawyer/Demos is gone.

All QB's are "even" now though. New coach, new system, new everything. Does the senior (Sawyer) ride it this year and Davis develops kids behind him or does he want a younger kid in right away to get game experience in the system?

Will be very interesting to watch. I think there's 6 or 7 QBs on the roster right now.
I still think UNI can beat both Iowa State and EWU. It would be good for the MVFC getting 4-5 teams into the playoffs.