Richard Sherman and Michael Bennett bash NCAA

[bonarae]

Two teammates, one very vocal and the other only recently getting his speaking groove, are together against the state of the NCAA today.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12249290/richard-sherman-michael-bennett-seattle-seahawks-bash-ncaa


"I think the NCAA is one of the biggest scams in America," Bennett said. "These kids put so much on the line. They [the NCAA] say, 'We give you a free degree.' That's like me owning a restaurant and saying, 'I'll give you a free burger.' It makes me so mad and irate. Universities need to do more for the student-[athletes].''


"I don't think college athletes are given enough time to take advantage of the free education they're given," Sherman said. "It's frustrating because a lot of people get upset with student-athletes and say you're not focused on school and not taking advantage of the opportunity you're given.
"I would love for a regular student, for just one semester, to have a student-athlete schedule during the season and show me how you balance that. Show me how you would schedule your classes when you can't schedule classes for 2 to 6 o'clock on any given day.

"Show me how you're going to get all your work done when you get out [of practice and meetings] at 7:30 or so and have a test the next day and you're dead tired from practice and you still have to study and get the same work done."

[NoDak 4 Ever]

If you gave anyone racking up student loans that opportunity, they would jump on it. They would be in those 8am classes so fast you wouldn't believe it.

[Bisonoline]

Two teammates, one very vocal and the other only recently getting his speaking groove, are together against the state of the NCAA today.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12249290/richard-sherman-michael-bennett-seattle-seahawks-bash-ncaa

A lot of truth here.

[citdog]

what would one expect from such a pair of intellectuals?

[BisonFan02]

18-20 credits per semester....8am - 4:30pm MWF and 9am-4pm T/TH, and I worked 50+ hours a week (4 or 5pm till 1:30am shifts 5-6 nights a week). My "free" education was a combination of a partial contribution of academic scholarship, and the remainder was covered with my proceeds from work. I understand the argument about their value to the university (versus my employment to pay for my education), but he loses me a little bit with the time complaint. It can be done and numerous others, including student athletes of all sports, do it every day.

[Bisonoline]

18-20 credits per semester....8am - 4:30pm MWF and 9am-4pm T/TH, and I worked 50+ hours a week (4 or 5pm till 1:30am shifts 5-6 nights a week). My "free" education was a combination of a partial contribution of academic scholarship, and the remainder was covered with my proceeds from work. I understand the argument about their value to the university (versus my employment to pay for my education), but he loses me a little bit with the time complaint. It can be done and numerous others, including student athletes of all sports, do it every day.

So reg students get up at 6am to work out. Then go to class all day. Then practice with team meetings? They work out basically 340-350 days a year. Plus work out in the summer at 6am. Go to work. Then work out in the pm.

Yes it can be done. To think the avg student can make that type of commitment is laughable.

[BisonFan02]

So reg students get up at 6am to work out. Then go to class all day. Then practice with team meetings? They work out basically 340-350 days a year. Plus work out in the summer at 6am. Go to work. Then work out in the pm.

Yes it can be done. To think the avg student can make that type of commitment is laughable.

commitment versus enslavement....no one is forcing these kids/young adults to be there. I could see the case for the 1% (if that high) of student athletes that have professional aspirations that mandate it (one and dones in college BBall and those that declare early in college etc.).

[BisonFan02]

Added disclaimer: I can sympathize with these guys when it comes to their educations. I had the opportunity to play collegiate baseball, and when the scholarship monies/offers dried up due to injuries, I had to make the decision to "hang em up" and work to pay for school (couldn't do both with fall ball, workouts, and the season). It is what it is, and if their athletic ability is the only conduit for them to get a higher education (if that is the priority), that is a sacrifice they may have to make.

[BisonFan02]

Another quick note: I'm only referring to the time commitment/education portion...not the monetary/value a DI football player brings! That is a whole different can of worms (especially in comparison to a borderline scholarship/"preferred walk on" NAIA baseball player xlolx )

[citdog]

So reg students get up at 6am to work out. Then go to class all day. Then practice with team meetings? They work out basically 340-350 days a year. Plus work out in the summer at 6am. Go to work. Then work out in the pm.

Yes it can be done. To think the avg student can make that type of commitment is laughable.

you should see the schedule of a Cadet at The Citadel. Our boys are Cadet Student Athletes .

[344Johnson]

you should see the schedule of a Cadet at The Citadel. Our boys are Cadet Student Athletes .

The boys at the service academies deserve every bit of praise they receive.

[344Johnson]

So reg students get up at 6am to work out. Then go to class all day. Then practice with team meetings? They work out basically 340-350 days a year. Plus work out in the summer at 6am. Go to work. Then work out in the pm.

Yes it can be done. To think the avg student can make that type of commitment is laughable.

They choose to do that... Get compensated with an education that many would not have gotten otherwise... Also get an opportunity to showcase their skills for a potential NFL career.

I'm sure it's a major time commitment. I'm not doubting that. But I'll be paying loans back for a long time. They won't be doing that. They get connections from being on the team that will pay off for a lifetime.

Everyone has their own troubles in college financially. These guys get to essentially be rock stars while dealing with a pretty killer financial package.

[Bisonoline]

you should see the schedule of a Cadet at The Citadel. Our boys are Cadet Student Athletes .

I agree. The thing is today its a different ball game on time off than when I played. We didnt have mandatory study sessions. We didnt have strength and conditioning coaches. Conditioning was done during practice. Even with that it seemed like there wasnt enough time in the day.

The thing was we never thought anything about it because we had been doing it our whole life. Its not a complaint in as much as an observation when reflecting back on that time.

If people havent done it they have no clue what it takes.

[Bisonoline]

They choose to do that... Get compensated with an education that many would not have gotten otherwise... Also get an opportunity to showcase their skills for a potential NFL career.

I'm sure it's a major time commitment. I'm not doubting that. But I'll be paying loans back for a long time. They won't be doing that. They get connections from being on the team that will pay off for a lifetime.

Everyone has their own troubles in college financially. These guys get to essentially be rock stars while dealing with a pretty killer financial package.

Considering the time spent having that great rock star life I would have loved getting paid per hour instead. I would of had money left over.
As far as most of your post its BS. A very small percentage cash in on the NFL and the supposed notoriety from playing college ball that will make a difference in your paycheck. Playing college ball might get you in the door. But your job qualifications will determine your paycheck.

As far as you paying back your loans? You should. You borrowed the money. May be you should have worked while you were in HS and saved your money.

[DSUrocks07]

Considering the time spent having that great rock star life I would have loved getting paid per hour instead. I would of had money left over.
As far as most of your post its BS. A very small percentage cash in on the NFL and the supposed notoriety from playing college ball that will make a difference in your paycheck. Playing college ball might get you in the door. But your job qualifications will determine your paycheck.

As far as you paying back your loans? You should. You borrowed the money. May be you should have worked while you were in HS and saved your money.

I'd like to see these jobs where a 16-18 year old kid can make $80-$100k in two years. Please tell me.

[OL FU]

The boys at the service academies deserve every bit of praise they receive.

This is not how we play with citdogxflaggedx:)

[clenz]

So reg students get up at 6am to work out. Then go to class all day. Then practice with team meetings? They work out basically 340-350 days a year. Plus work out in the summer at 6am. Go to work. Then work out in the pm.

Yes it can be done. To think the avg student can make that type of commitment is laughable.
While I was in school (after giving up football) as a sophomore and first half of my junior years I worked from 4:30 AM until 7:30 AM, went to class from 8AM-noon, then worked from 1:00 to 6:00PM on MWF. On TTH I worked from 4:30AM until 9:00 AM, class from 9:30-12:30 then back to work from 1:00 PM until 5:00 PM. Then on Saturdays I would work 4:30 AM until 3:00 PM on non-UNI home game days for football. Home games my boss was nice enough to let me off work at 11:00AM so that I could go tailgate.

The second half of my junior year through my graduation I went to class from 8:00-11:00 AM MWF and worked 11:30-5:00. On T/Th I worked noon-5:00 and was in class from 8-noon. Oh, and since I worked for the ticket office (for athletics and the performing arts center) I then worked almost every single home sporting event and event at the performing arts center. One doesn't realize how many events are on campus until they finish their 5PM work shift and get 15 minutes to eat until they are back working from 5:15-10PM, or 2.5 hrs before an event on a weekend until about 2 hours after the event, every single time there is an event.

There is amazing amount of commitment from football players (actually any athlete on campus). None of them are forced to be a participant though. They can leave the program/school any time they choose.

I played college football (D3 level..so FPC would lead you to believe I didn't actually play football). I hung out with a large group of football players at UNI. I'm aware of the time commitment. Is it demanding? Sure. Is it as bad as some want you to believe? Not even close.


Oh....these football players can do what I did (working all those hours at a college kid wage) and I'll take the time commitment to graduate with no student loan debt, plus all of the real world connections that are just automatically made because you played a sport at a university. We'll see how much they want to complain then.

[344Johnson]

Considering the time spent having that great rock star life I would have loved getting paid per hour instead. I would of had money left over.
As far as most of your post its BS. A very small percentage cash in on the NFL and the supposed notoriety from playing college ball that will make a difference in your paycheck. Playing college ball might get you in the door. But your job qualifications will determine your paycheck.

As far as you paying back your loans? You should. You borrowed the money. May be you should have worked while you were in HS and saved your money.

Saved plenty. School is expensive. These guys don't pay for school. If they don't want to play, they can quit the team and work like everyone else.

[MR. CHICKEN]

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[FCS_pwns_FBS]

We need to liberate these players from the oppression of their scholarships. There's no reason why they should not have the opportunity to pay for school with loans, scholarships, family, and work like normal students.

[clenz]

It's also funny to see these college athletes complain about the lack of money yet wear the trendiest clothes, have multiple pairs of $300 headphones, multiple ipad/tablets, tens of thousands of dollars worth of ink on their body, etc...

[MR. CHICKEN]

It's also funny to see these college athletes complain about the lack of money yet wear the trendiest clothes, have multiple pairs of $300 headphones, multiple ipad/tablets, tens of thousands of dollars worth of ink on their body, etc...

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[Bisonoline]

It's also funny to see these college athletes complain about the lack of money yet wear the trendiest clothes, have multiple pairs of $300 headphones, multiple ipad/tablets, tens of thousands of dollars worth of ink on their body, etc...

There are always exceptions to the rule. You know that.

[Bisonoline]

Saved plenty. School is expensive. These guys don't pay for school. If they don't want to play, they can quit the team and work like everyone else.

You dont get it. Not surprising.

[clenz]

There are always exceptions to the rule. You know that.
I challenge you to go up and down the roster of pretty much every single scholarship D1 football and basketball rosters player and ask how many of them feel "under-paid".

I then challenge you to figure out how much money they have invested in gaming systems, tv systems, sound systems, head phones, phones/tablets, tattoos. You'll quickly find that many of them have a years salary, for most adults, tied up in those things.

[Bisonoline]

I challenge you to go up and down the roster of pretty much every single scholarship D1 football and basketball rosters player and ask how many of them feel "under-paid".

I then challenge you to figure out how much money they have invested in gaming systems, tv systems, sound systems, head phones, phones/tablets, tattoos. You'll quickly find that many of them have a years salary, for most adults, tied up in those things.

Fact is you dont feel underpaid at the time. This year we had the 125 years of Hawkeye Football celebration. Some of the conversation amongst the 165 players who came back was this subject. Major consensus was yes basically its not as great as many who dont play the game realize but we wouldnt have given it up for anything in the world. Another subject was on how vulnerable student athletes were and still are in regards to their right and the NCAA. That argument was very compelling as well.

As far as your challenge---you do it because I dont care. When I played there were always those that have and those that dont.Some players have better parent support than others or lets say other cash flow streams not available to the common player.

An adults years salary??????

[walliver]

UNC is not the only P5 school with sham classes. It is likely much more common than anyone wants to let on. It is interesting that most of the complaints about UNC have come from Tarheel alumni, not their rivals, many of which hope the whole thing fades away. There are many schools where top football and BB players rarely attend class, and are often discouraged from enrolling in challenging classes. I suspect most of the complainers attended those schools.

On the other hand, there are many schools, most often at FCS level, where athletes are not allowed to skip classes or labs to attend practice.

Most D-I football players will have 5 years to complete 4 years worth of work. By taking more credit hours in the spring and attending summer school, a degree is achievable. I suspect some of the problem is the tendency to admit students of marginal academic ability.

[bonarae]

UNC is not the only P5 school with sham classes. It is likely much more common than anyone wants to let on. It is interesting that most of the complaints about UNC have come from Tarheel alumni, not their rivals, many of which hope the whole thing fades away. There are many schools where top football and BB players rarely attend class, and are often discouraged from enrolling in challenging classes. I suspect most of the complainers attended those schools.

On the other hand, there are many schools, most often at FCS level, where athletes are not allowed to skip classes or labs to attend practice.

Most D-I football players will have 5 years to complete 4 years worth of work. By taking more credit hours in the spring and attending summer school, a degree is achievable. I suspect some of the problem is the tendency to admit students of marginal academic ability.

As you go lower in division (and possibly association), the percentage of students committed to balancing academics and athletics increases. Notice the D-III sports network of websites, they tell of athletes who every now and then do something that is not essentially possible in D-I.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

There's a simple solution to this. Pay them like TA's. They get a tuition waiver and a 10-20k stipend and that's it. Live off that.

TA's have to teach, prepare classes, do research, AND go to class. That's a similar time commitment. They get no room, board, or swag.

[Smitty]

you should see the schedule of a Cadet at The Citadel. Our boys are Cadet Student Athletes .

Apparently your coaches are telling recruits something different.


“As it got closer to the break, I was able to talk more with the coaches and understand more about the school and what they had to offer me academically and athletically,” Davis said. “With it being a military school, that played a big role in my decision at first, but in speaking with the coaches, the athletics side doesn’t live the same way as the military side. The guys who go in are there for the athletics and the academics and don’t do a lot of what the cadets do. Just understanding that process better helped me with my decision.”

From this article, but it may want a registered account or something.
http://mdjonline.com/view/full_story/26335847/article-Davis-sets-future-as-latest-in-line-of-college-bound-Hillgrove-standouts?instance=special%20_coverage_right_colum n#ixzz3OMQi7jsK

[Bisonoline]

Apparently your coaches are telling recruits something different.



From this article, but it may want a registered account or something.
http://mdjonline.com/view/full_story/26335847/article-Davis-sets-future-as-latest-in-line-of-college-bound-Hillgrove-standouts?instance=special%20_coverage_right_colum n#ixzz3OMQi7jsK

I personally know players who have been to the academies and according to them they did pretty much everything the rest of the cadets did.

[Smitty]

I personally know players who have been to the academies and according to them they did pretty much everything the rest of the cadets did.

Oh I'm sure it is that way for the bigger academies for sure. As for this recruit he may have a rude awakening as well when he joins up.

[citdog]

Apparently your coaches are telling recruits something different.



From this article, but it may want a registered account or something.
http://mdjonline.com/view/full_story/26335847/article-Davis-sets-future-as-latest-in-line-of-college-bound-Hillgrove-standouts?instance=special%20_coverage_right_colum n#ixzz3OMQi7jsK


Yes your school is inferior. You really don't belong in Charleston. We have more teeth than you are used to. In some respects the kid is correct. Football players eat training table mess and don't drill in season. That's the extent of the difference. Do the catamounts take part in the cousin humping that the 'whee is famous for in season ?

[Smitty]

Wait you aren't confusing us with Appy are you?

[Cocky]

Each player should get 5% of the combine coaching staffs salary.

[clenz]

Fact is you dont feel underpaid at the time. This year we had the 125 years of Hawkeye Football celebration. Some of the conversation amongst the 165 players who came back was this subject. Major consensus was yes basically its not as great as many who dont play the game realize but we wouldnt have given it up for anything in the world. Another subject was on how vulnerable student athletes were and still are in regards to their right and the NCAA. That argument was very compelling as well.

As far as your challenge---you do it because I dont care. When I played there were always those that have and those that dont.Some players have better parent support than others or lets say other cash flow streams not available to the common player.

An adults years salary??????
I'll use these two, because they were the most outspoken last season...

Ryan Boatright and Shabazz Napier.

Now, I don't have any ink on my body so I'll admit to not knowing what they cost. I am, however, going to guess that what Boatright has isn't cheap

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/article/media_slots/photos/001/469/565/hi-res-18f7a2a88138e8e7dd34168d112a1121_crop_exact.jpg?w= 650&h=432&q=85

https://snycollege.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/uconn-maryland-basket_silv-1.jpg?w=664&h=442



Shabazz
http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q340/unipanthers10/3aa1ec92-7410-488d-ae23-4186e3cf3a54_zpsnnlqmawy.jpg?t=1422797169


That's a lot of ink even from the year before..

http://courantblogs.com/photo/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/UConn-vs-Syracuse-MBB-05.jpg



It's an extreme amount of ink from the time he was in HS

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0309/chi_boatright_300.jpg




http://www.triblocal.com/lisle/files/cache/2011/03/ryan.jpg/460_345_resize.jpg



Judging from his instagram he has no problems wearing $180+ shoes as his every day shoes...or t-shirts, jeans, hats, etc... that cost an asinine amount.


Maybe his family is just well off and I don't know it. Maybe he wisely invested in some high risk/high reward stock options right out of HS and got in and out at the right time. Or...maybe he's like every college kid and living/buying things well beyond his means.

I can go up and down rosters and do quick google searches and see how they live - especially at the P5 level in basketball and football.

They aren't struggling anymore than a regular college student - even less so due to the lack of crippling debt weighing them down after graduation.

[Bisonoline]

I'll use these two, because they were the most outspoken last season...

Ryan Boatright and Shabazz Napier.

Now, I don't have any ink on my body so I'll admit to not knowing what they cost. I am, however, going to guess that what Boatright has isn't cheap

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/article/media_slots/photos/001/469/565/hi-res-18f7a2a88138e8e7dd34168d112a1121_crop_exact.jpg?w= 650&h=432&q=85

https://snycollege.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/uconn-maryland-basket_silv-1.jpg?w=664&h=442



Shabazz
http://i348.photobucket.com/albums/q340/unipanthers10/3aa1ec92-7410-488d-ae23-4186e3cf3a54_zpsnnlqmawy.jpg?t=1422797169


That's a lot of ink even from the year before..

http://courantblogs.com/photo/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/UConn-vs-Syracuse-MBB-05.jpg



It's an extreme amount of ink from the time he was in HS

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0309/chi_boatright_300.jpg




http://www.triblocal.com/lisle/files/cache/2011/03/ryan.jpg/460_345_resize.jpg



Judging from his instagram he has no problems wearing $180+ shoes as his every day shoes...or t-shirts, jeans, hats, etc... that cost an asinine amount.


Maybe his family is just well off and I don't know it. Maybe he wisely invested in some high risk/high reward stock options right out of HS and got in and out at the right time. Or...maybe he's like every college kid and living/buying things well beyond his means.

I can go up and down rosters and do quick google searches and see how they live - especially at the P5 level in basketball and football.

They aren't struggling anymore than a regular college student - even less so due to the lack of crippling debt weighing them down after graduation.


WOW, TATs and shoes? Let it go.

[clenz]

WOW, TATs and shoes? Let it go.
If you're trying to fix your budget (personal or business) what's the first thing any good financial adviser will tell you to cut? Unnecessary spending on stupid ****. I've done some asking around to people I know with tats. They'd guess Boatright at close to 10K, if not more, in ink. $180 Jordan's every other month, $80+ jeans, $40+ t-shirts, $300+ headphones, multiple mobile devices, $400 gaming systems, $1,000 tvs, etc...

Do you not think that would get him a couple meals, since him and Napier were all about being hungry because the NCAA was taking advantage of them, if he (or any college student...athlete or not) stopped buying **** like that?


Aren't you the one with a raging hard on for anyone who might ever think about finding a way to restructure student debt to make it so adults between 23-35 might be productive to society because they aren't dumping 600-1,200 a month into student loans before anything else comes out? They/we made that deal, right?

These guys don't have to worry about that. They don't have to worry about debt that can be/is crippling for 10-20 years after leaving school. In stead they blow a **** load of money on frivilous things and then bitch that the NCAA isn't giving them any money.


What if NoDak was complaining that he wasn't able to make his loan payments (since he's the main target of your hard on for student loans) but he was buying every new pair of J's that rolled out? Had 3 or 4 sets of $300-400 head phones (because we need different colors to match our shoes and t-shirts, decided to spend 5K on a full arm sleeve tatoo (roughly $100-125 per hour for a tattoo from what I've seen. Most arm sleeves are AT LEAST 15 hours minimum. So, easy math tells us that's at least $1,500 in just ink..at the bare minimum. Sleeves are broken up into 4-5 hour sessions according to my sources. You also should tip about an hour to an hour and a half worth per session plus a little extra at the completion. He could easily end up dumping $2,500-3,000 in one arm.)

Now, you see him spending all of this money on things that aren't really needed to live and then complaining with his loan payments. What would you say to him?

What's your thoughts on a family that's on food stamps/welfare but use that money on stuff they really shouldn't be and then complaining that the government isn't giving them enough - aka the typical system scammer?


Tats and shoes seem like small things when it comes to budgets but when you actually start to look at it, they really aren't.

[Bisonoline]

My raging hard on? Look in the mirror. Wow seriously?
My only contention is you borrowed the money you need to pay it back. How you extrapolated that premise in to your angst is beyond me. What the hell does nodak have to do with this? Ive had him on ignore for months.

As far as money ,college kids have??? Kids now a days seem to have a hell of a lot of disposable income. More than when I went to school. Every kid has a smart phone, computer etc. A bunch have pretty nice rides as well. But I could give a ****.

We were talking about student athletes. I wont group all or the majority of the haves with the have nots. Your comparisons amount to just that. It would be like when I played at Iowa. 2 players for example had brand new cars. One had a Toranado and one a Riviera. I had a 61 Ford Falcon. Nobody accidentally put me in the rich athlete group. But we are getting way away from the original subject. I think many students THINK that athletes have it easy and THINK they would like the life style. My bet is most couldnt handle the commitment. Hell I know many athletes who couldn't handle the commitment.
We are going to have to agree to disagree.

[MR. CHICKEN]

Each player should get 5% of the combine coaching staffs salary.

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[Missingnumber7]

The tatoos are one thing, but these kids get loads of stuff from the bowl games/conf champ games/tourneys they play in. Gift bags, grab bags, pick what you want rooms, gift cards, shopping sprees. Its part of the sponsorship deal.

http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/2014/03/players-cash-in-with-prizes-and-gifts-at-conference-and-ncaa-tournaments.html/

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2013/03/11/Colleges/NCAA-gifts.aspx

http://www.brobible.com/sports/article/ncaa-athlete-perks-2014/

[NoDak 4 Ever]

The tatoos are one thing, but these kids get loads of stuff from the bowl games/conf champ games/tourneys they play in. Gift bags, grab bags, pick what you want rooms, gift cards, shopping sprees. Its part of the sponsorship deal.

http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/2014/03/players-cash-in-with-prizes-and-gifts-at-conference-and-ncaa-tournaments.html/

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2013/03/11/Colleges/NCAA-gifts.aspx

http://www.brobible.com/sports/article/ncaa-athlete-perks-2014/

A NDSU football sweatshirt at Scheels costs 60-80 dollars for a math major, how much does it cost to a football player?

[344Johnson]

A NDSU football sweatshirt at Scheels costs 60-80 dollars for a math major, how much does it cost to a football player?

Hours of lifting/practicing/playing in front of thousands of people.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I think the NCAA is one of the biggest scams in America," Bennett said. "These kids put so much on the line. They [the NCAA] say, 'We give you a free degree.' That's like me owning a restaurant and saying, 'I'll give you a free burger.' It makes me so mad and irate. Universities need to do more for the student-[athletes].''

The NCAA doesn't offer degrees, making most of his quote nonsense. The NCAA also doesn't own burgers, restaurants, individual schools or even conferences.

Like most critics of the NCAA, they use the NCAA as the straw man when they really ought to be railing against the schools which provided them something that is valued at nearly $100,000 to the lay student. But that's unseemly to bite the hand that feeds, so the NCAA becomes the attacked party.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Hours of lifting/practicing/playing in front of thousands of people.

I mean the math majors whose parents aren't paying for everything. You wouldn't know about that.

[344Johnson]

I mean the math majors whose parents aren't paying for everything. You wouldn't know about that.

....I pay for my education through loans and out of my pocket.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

....I pay for my education through loans and out of my pocket.

Work is work. I see nothing different than the kid who has to work at a landscaping business in the summer. They aren't going anything particularly different.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Work is work. I see nothing different than the kid who has to work at a landscaping business in the summer. They aren't going anything particularly different.

I agree with ya but...if you get a company shirt I ain't got a problem with that either. xlolx

Some company shirts are just more popular than others.

[BisonFan02]

I agree with ya but...if you get a company shirt I ain't got a problem with that either. xlolx

Some company shirts are just more popular than others.

THIS!.....I've got a closet full of them and I can't even give them away....might have to send a box to Africa.

[344Johnson]

THIS!.....I've got a closet full of them and I can't even give them away....might have to send a box to Africa.

Send them to me. Always looking for more tshirts.

Though you are much bigger than me.... I'll have to use my laundry machines to shrink them substantially

[Bisonoline]

The NCAA doesn't offer degrees, making most of his quote nonsense. The NCAA also doesn't own burgers, restaurants, individual schools or even conferences.

Like most critics of the NCAA, they use the NCAA as the straw man when they really ought to be railing against the schools which provided them something that is valued at nearly $100,000 to the lay student. But that's unseemly to bite the hand that feeds, so the NCAA becomes the attacked party.

The NCAA issue is their archaic rules and there enforcement.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

THIS!.....I've got a closet full of them and I can't even give them away....might have to send a box to Africa.

Yeah we had talked about that back in September and I was drunk and saying we might be able to re-purpose them...or maybe that was your garage full of swag like hats and stuff...as I say, I was drunk. Always like the ol' farm equipment hats, shirts and so forth so if ya got that send a pm bogarter.

[BisonFan02]

Yeah we had talked about that back in September and I was drunk and saying we might be able to re-purpose them...or maybe that was your garage full of swag like hats and stuff...as I say, I was drunk. Always like the ol' farm equipment hats, shirts and so forth so if ya got that send a pm bogarter.

I'll put a list together and snap some pics when I get a chance this week.

[Missingnumber7]

A NDSU football sweatshirt at Scheels costs 60-80 dollars for a math major, how much does it cost to a football player?

Again...you are talking a completely different deal. I'm talkin Sony sponsoring a tourney and giving EVERY player a playstation. Beats by dre sponsor a bowl game and giving every player a top of the line set of head phones and an i tunes card to use on the ipod they got at their conference championship game. Its a tax writeoff for the corperation that gives it.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Again...you are talking a completely different deal. I'm talkin Sony sponsoring a tourney and giving EVERY player a playstation. Beats by dre sponsor a bowl game and giving every player a top of the line set of head phones and an i tunes card to use on the ipod they got at their conference championship game. Its a tax writeoff for the corperation that gives it.

I'm talking about all the benefits available to athletes that aren't available to the student body at large.

[Bisonoline]

I'm talking about all the benefits available to athletes that aren't available to the student body at large.


Since somebody else quoted you----

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/images/SeamusLight/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by NoDak 4 Ever http://www.anygivensaturday.com/images/SeamusLight/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?p=2211912#post2211912)
A NDSU football sweatshirt at Scheels costs 60-80 dollars for a math major, how much does it cost to a football player?

The sweatshirt costs the football player 60-80 dollars.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Since somebody else quoted you----

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/images/SeamusLight/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by NoDak 4 Ever http://www.anygivensaturday.com/images/SeamusLight/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?p=2211912#post2211912)
A NDSU football sweatshirt at Scheels costs 60-80 dollars for a math major, how much does it cost to a football player?

The sweatshirt costs the football player 60-80 dollars.

oh? they buy all that stuff out of pocket?

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Again...you are talking a completely different deal. I'm talkin Sony sponsoring a tourney and giving EVERY player a playstation. Beats by dre sponsor a bowl game and giving every player a top of the line set of head phones and an i tunes card to use on the ipod they got at their conference championship game. Its a tax writeoff for the corperation that gives it.

Yes because it's a "charitable donation". The outfits running the bowl are technically not-for-profits, and thus they do not pay any taxes either.

[Missingnumber7]

Yes because it's a "charitable donation". The outfits running the bowl are technically not-for-profits, and thus they do not pay any taxes either.

Got that, but when a kid playing hoops can walk away after the season with so much swag from the 2k classic, the jimmyV classic, the conference championship, the first 2 rounds, the second 2 rounds, and the final four. A kid could legitimately walk away with more than 6k worth of goods...I mean gifts.

But if I bought a kid that wasn't mine on the team a meal it would be a violation. There is a huge fundamental flaw in the system.

Add to that now that they are going to get full cost of tuition and probably stipends...I definately think there is a huge issue with this.

[Missingnumber7]

I'm talking about all the benefits available to athletes that aren't available to the student body at large.

So you gonna bitch about the benefits that the President of the US gets for being president, or congressmen get for being in the senate or house?

They get these because they have been deemed qualified to participate in collegiate atheltics. If a member of the student body at large wants some free swag, become a student manager.