UAB to the Missouri Valley?

[Lehigh Football Nation]

MVC commish Doug Elgin: "There has been discussion" (11:30 mark):

https://soundcloud.com/mikereis-siu/saluki-radio-interview-with-missouri-valley-conference-commissioner-doug-elgin

Wonder if this affects football at all.

[Pard4Life]

MVC commish Doug Elgin: "There has been discussion" (11:30 mark):

https://soundcloud.com/mikereis-siu/saluki-radio-interview-with-missouri-valley-conference-commissioner-doug-elgin

Wonder if this affects football at all.

Doug Elgin, Lafayette Class of 1971... football... did you catch his license plate too LFN?! In your face!!

Unless there is some deal, the message is clear that football is dead at UAB. Bottom line is the cost. Costs are still high at UAB. Ok, so your football budget goes from $20mm to $12mm? Not enough

[clenz]

Don't hate this move..pending how the rotation for the 18 game conference schedule works out

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[clenz]

Also UAB in the MVFC? Yes please

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[NoDak 4 Ever]

MVC commish Doug Elgin: "There has been discussion" (11:30 mark):

https://soundcloud.com/mikereis-siu/saluki-radio-interview-with-missouri-valley-conference-commissioner-doug-elgin

Wonder if this affects football at all.

It doesn't so it belongs in "other sports"


So much for their precious "footprint"

[PantherRob82]

It doesn't so it belongs in "other sports"


So much for their precious "footprint"

Alabama sounds like better recruiting ground than NDSU. UAB has a lot more to offer as well. xangelx

[Sycamore62]

How is their cross country?

[clenz]

It doesn't so it belongs in "other sports"


So much for their precious "footprint"
Turns out footprint can be trumped for total value and actually adding to conference value

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[Sycamore62]

Especially if they want warm spring sport trips

[DoubleE]

MVC commish Doug Elgin: "There has been discussion" (11:30 mark):

https://soundcloud.com/mikereis-siu/saluki-radio-interview-with-missouri-valley-conference-commissioner-doug-elgin

Wonder if this affects football at all.


South Dakota could use someone to beat up on in the conference

[WTFCollegefootballfan]

Also UAB in the MVFC? Yes please

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UAB has dropped Football. If they move to the MVC it is for other sports. This shouldn't even be here. UAB doesn't have football anymore.

[Cocky]

The OVC has told them no

[clenz]

The OVC has told them no
Why

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[JayJ79]

This is the MVC that is being discussed, not the MVFC. Two seperate entities.

[clenz]

This is the MVC that is being discussed, not the MVFC. Two seperate entities.
I realize.

However, if the move for UAB came with "saving" or restarting the football program in the MVFC I would be 100% behind it. It either makes the conference better or adds another USD to boost win totals like the Big Sky has in UNC, UND, SUU, UCD, and WSU

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[Sycamore62]

Why

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I know very little about UAB except someone(s) with power is an asshole. However could the OVC have over half a basketball membership that doesnt want to add another loss or two each season?

[clenz]

I know very little about UAB except someone(s) with power is an asshole. However could the OVC have over half a basketball membership that doesnt want to add another loss or two each season?
UAB has a very strong mbb history. Would be great to add that if they are willing to invest into that program

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[ursus arctos horribilis]

MVC commish Doug Elgin: "There has been discussion" (11:30 mark):

https://soundcloud.com/mikereis-siu/saluki-radio-interview-with-missouri-valley-conference-commissioner-doug-elgin

Wonder if this affects football at all.

I'd really appreciate you putting these threads in the proper forum LFN. You have a penchant for not caring or just deliberately handing me more work...although not hard work I'd appreciate you not doing it all the same. If it does become an FCS Discussion item by all means start a thread at that time. The portion in bold most definitely does not make FCSD however.

[Cocky]

Why

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i hope because they are non football because we need football schools. Hard to be ready for the playoffs when the competition is only good a few weeks of the season.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I'd really appreciate you putting these threads in the proper forum LFN. You have a penchant for not caring or just deliberately handing me more work...although not hard work I'd appreciate you not doing it all the same. If it does become an FCS Discussion item by all means start a thread at that time. The portion in bold most definitely does not make FCSD however.

It's OK that this was moved, but I don't think it's totally out of the question that UAB starts FCS-level football in the MVFC. Right now UAB is waiting for CUSA to make an exception to their rules to allow them to remain a member. If CUSA kicks them out (which seems likely), they would be free agents, looking for a conference. If it's the MVC, then they could consider re-starting football at the FCS level.

[clenz]

I don't know if the MVC would take them if they were going to restart football, to be honest, unless there was some sort of "guarantee" that their investment in the non-football sports will not be affected with monetary support.

[Cocky]

I don't know if the MVC would take them if they were going to restart football, to be honest, unless there was some sort of "guarantee" that their investment in the non-football sports will not be affected with monetary support.

Their budget will not be reduced from the current one. All of the football funds will be spent in non football athletics. This wasnt a budget move or even a shifting of fund to non athletics.

[clenz]

Their budget will not be reduced from the current one. All of the football funds will be spent in non football athletics. This wasnt a budget move or even a shifting of fund to non athletics.
That's kind of what I'm getting at though.

The MVC is a non-football conference that wants very little to do with football first schools when it comes to adding teams. It's why SDSU, NDSU, and USD will never get a look unless there is a massive shift in the conference. The MVC doesn't give one damn about football. Schools like UNI, ISUr, SIU and ISUb are "basketball" schools. UNI is about a 50/50 split but has shown, and stated, basketball will take a priority to the point that no FBS/football move would be made if it would impact the basketball program and MVC in anyway. Missouri State is an interesting school. They could easily be a Wichita State like athletic department if they dumped football. Very nice 11k seat arena, big draw in town, great women's programs, etc... Then they have a football program that is complete garbage (seriously, go look at their history) and they are dumping tens of millions of dollars into it to try to leave the MVC for the Sun Belt because they think FBS football is the savior of everything and since they can't win the MVC and get into the NCAAs they want to go to a much weaker conference to try to win it there, MSU is teetering on being a prime example of why the MVC would back away from UAB if they insisted on trying to save/bring back football.

Not saying that is the case, but it could be

IF UAB's budget stays where it's at and the 10-15M that was football money goes into basketball (M and W), volleyball, and soccer they MVC would be dumb to tell them no. That's a potential Wichita State in the making. According to Wikipedia - Since their inaugural season, the Blazers have made 14 appearances in the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament including 3 Sweet Sixteen appearances and 1 Elite Eight appearance. UAB has also appeared in the NIT a total of 11 times, including 2 appearances in the NIT Final Four. The women's team has been S16 in the NCAAs, EE in the WNIT, and won the WBI in the last year or two. Volleyball might lag behind some of the MVC programs but it would be okay. Soccer and Tennis are respectable down there as well.

The issue would be if they want to continue to attempt to invest in football and divert funds from potential success in MVC sports.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

It's OK that this was moved, but I don't think it's totally out of the question that UAB starts FCS-level football in the MVFC. Right now UAB is waiting for CUSA to make an exception to their rules to allow them to remain a member. If CUSA kicks them out (which seems likely), they would be free agents, looking for a conference. If it's the MVC, then they could consider re-starting football at the FCS level.

Dude, I don't care about the "maybe's" and so forth as I agree it's possible but it IS NOT a story now as of the time of your posting. You know what FCSD is and you try to slip a lot of fluff through as that when it is not. I've asked prior to stop it and I'm just reaffirming that I'd like you to do so.

If you are currently using your best judgment on this issue then it's clear that we need to do some training here I suppose but I'd really like to believe you do not need it. I will continue to ask nicely but it's starting to wear a bit thin is all I'm saying.xthumbsupx

[zilla]

Wonder if UAB has/will approach the SoCon?

[OSBF]

MVC commish Doug Elgin: "There has been discussion" (11:30 mark):

https://soundcloud.com/mikereis-siu/saluki-radio-interview-with-missouri-valley-conference-commissioner-doug-elgin

Wonder if this affects football at all.

No way this has any affect whatsoever on football

The MVC doesn't sponsor football as a conf sport

The MVFC does, but they are entirely separate and distinct conferences

[clenz]

No way this has any affect whatsoever on football

The MVC doesn't sponsor football as a conf sport

The MVFC does, but they are entirely separate and distinct conferences
Yup.

It could impact UAB to the MVC should they want to try to restart football though

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[BisonFan02]

That's kind of what I'm getting at though.

The MVC is a non-football conference that wants very little to do with football first schools when it comes to adding teams. It's why SDSU, NDSU, and USD will never get a look unless there is a massive shift in the conference. The MVC doesn't give one damn about football. Schools like UNI, ISUr, SIU and ISUb are "basketball" schools. UNI is about a 50/50 split but has shown, and stated, basketball will take a priority to the point that no FBS/football move would be made if it would impact the basketball program and MVC in anyway. Missouri State is an interesting school. They could easily be a Wichita State like athletic department if they dumped football. Very nice 11k seat arena, big draw in town, great women's programs, etc... Then they have a football program that is complete garbage (seriously, go look at their history) and they are dumping tens of millions of dollars into it to try to leave the MVC for the Sun Belt because they think FBS football is the savior of everything and since they can't win the MVC and get into the NCAAs they want to go to a much weaker conference to try to win it there, MSU is teetering on being a prime example of why the MVC would back away from UAB if they insisted on trying to save/bring back football.

Not saying that is the case, but it could be

IF UAB's budget stays where it's at and the 10-15M that was football money goes into basketball (M and W), volleyball, and soccer they MVC would be dumb to tell them no. That's a potential Wichita State in the making. According to Wikipedia - Since their inaugural season, the Blazers have made 14 appearances in the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament including 3 Sweet Sixteen appearances and 1 Elite Eight appearance. UAB has also appeared in the NIT a total of 11 times, including 2 appearances in the NIT Final Four. The women's team has been S16 in the NCAAs, EE in the WNIT, and won the WBI in the last year or two. Volleyball might lag behind some of the MVC programs but it would be okay. Soccer and Tennis are respectable down there as well.

The issue would be if they want to continue to attempt to invest in football and divert funds from potential success in MVC sports.

Which is precisely why any move NDSU makes conference wise is in a "FBS" fashion (MAC with a stretch goal of MWC). A G5 shift would push NDSU that direction...MVFC to MAC is almost lateral for football for conversation's sake, but it would be an upgrade for non-football sports.

As is, NDSU and SDSU do NOT fit the MVC, and in NDSU's case, I wouldn't want them to.

[BisonFan02]

Also, calling UNI a 50/50 school as far as football/basketball is pretty generous as far as the football program. I think it leans 60/40 minimum in favor of basketball. Heck, I think SDSU might even be 60/40 in favor of basketball at times.

[clenz]

Also, calling UNI a 50/50 school as far as football/basketball is pretty generous as far as the football program. I think it leans 60/40 minimum in favor of basketball. Heck, I think SDSU might even be 60/40 in favor of basketball at times.
I really can't get a good gauge as to what % UNI is. Outside of MSU, at this point, UNI is as close as there is to a football school in the MVC.

Drake is 99.5/.5
ISUb is 95/5
ISUr is probably 85/10 or 90/10
SIU is probably 80/20
UNI is probably 60/40 but the football fan base is likely bigger...strange like that.
MSU i can't tell. 3 years ago I'd have said 95/5 but the push for fbs or bust seems to have greatly shifted to a football school

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[BisonFan02]

I really can't get a good gauge as to what % UNI is. Outside of MSU, at this point, UNI is as close as there is to a football school in the MVC.

Drake is 99.5/.5
ISUb is 95/5
ISUr is probably 85/10 or 90/10
SIU is probably 80/20
UNI is probably 60/40 but the football fan base is likely bigger...strange like that.
MSU i can't tell. 3 years ago I'd have said 95/5 but the push for fbs or bust seems to have greatly shifted to a football school

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That MSU FBS crowd needs to put their "money" where their mouth is and show up on Saturday. Based on their attendance, you could have fooled me that they give 2 ****s about football down there. I would put SIU/ISUr/MSU on the same level with UNI slightly higher in football. Drake is laughable, and I really have no idea on ISUb...they have done quite a bit lately off/on with just about nothing....they are a few slip ups away from falling off of the cliff again.

[dgtw]

Has the MVFC ever considered forming an all sports league?


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[BisonFan02]

Has the MVFC ever considered forming an all sports league?


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Doubtful.....if anything, it would be called the Summit League centered around the existing Summit League football schools (NDSU, SDSU, USD, Western Ill) and a few all sports additions (UND?). Basically NCC 2.0....and the MVC football schools would have a decision to make.

*this isn't happening...other than the health of both the Summit and MVFC depend on each other.

[clenz]

Has the MVFC ever considered forming an all sports league?


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No.

Never will.

The MVFC, while separate from the MVC, is controlled by the MVC and run by MVC officers.....as is the PFL

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[BisonFan02]

No.

Never will.

The MVFC, while separate from the MVC, is controlled by the MVC and run by MVC officers.....as is the PFL

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This. Maybe when the Summit schools break off, the rest of the MVC bball schools can go non scholly and join the PFL? :D

[clenz]

Lots of talk about it yet nothing will happen

[BisonFan02]

Lots of talk about it yet nothing will happen

Can we still kick out the Horizon League's YSU and go back to a full schedule? :)

[clenz]

Can we still kick out the Horizon League's YSU and go back to a full schedule? :)
Yes

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