FCS Semifinal: Sam Houston State @ North Dakota State

[GAD]

TD Bison!
I think its over

[Winindy]

I think I heard a snap

[Big Rack]

Keg orders just went out in Frisco.

[RabidRabbit]

Crockett shows his inner Zenner. Nice td trot.

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[X-Factor]

Bearkats folding like 2012

[Texas]

Coaching is awful

[WrenFGun]

Hmmm...What happened, SHSU? This has quickly gotten a bit out of hand.

[Winindy]

Still early

[Sycamore62]

Beating SHSU up with the unbalanced line

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

NDSU just has to avoid he big play. I don't see anyway SHSU can drive the ball 3-4 more times for TD's without a lot of help...

[UNHWildcat18]

SHSU quarterback can't make a decision on any play until it's too late

[344Johnson]

Sammy looks like a team who is a year away.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

This has the potential to be the token NDSU drive that truly demoralizes the opponent...

[Texas]

Sammy looks like a team who is a year away.

Win or loss this year is waaaaay more than we expected.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Sammy looks like a team who is a year away.

I was just thinking that this game reminds me a little of NDSU-UNH last year. SHSU has talent no question but I don't think they're as good as SDSU or CCU. They got hot at the end of the year and road that, some mojo and a little good fortune to the semi's....

[TheKingpin28]

The TOP is really adding up right now and if they can take this into the 4th quarter this could get ugly

[Sycamore62]

Umpire is having a rough day

[Big Rack]

Always help the official up.

[IBleedYellow]

So NDSU went from 24 rushing yards to.... 182 in this quarter.

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[Texas]

Just out coached

[X-Factor]

Well....SHSU clearly blew their wad in the first half. Getting run over now

[Winindy]

Ref made a good stop there. Thought he had him short of the sticks.

[GAD]

4th qtr

[344Johnson]

Ridiculous that they call Crockett the single season rushing leader at NDSU. He is several hundred yards behind Gordon. Last I checked 2200>1800.

[caribbeanhen]

Sammy looks like a team who is a year away.

or a few more transfers, whoops......

[IBleedYellow]

Just out coached
A first year head coach for a out coaching Keeler? I don't see it that way. I see NDSU offensive line saying screw the first half... We're running. Try to stop us.

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[Winindy]

A lot of lead G power. Grinding on this drive.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Ridiculous that they call Crockett the single season rushing leader at NDSU. He is several hundred yards behind Gordon. Last I checked 2200>1800.

When did Gordon play? Perhaps they mean 1AA/FCS era?

[Texas]

A first year head coach for a out coaching Keeler? I don't see it that way. I see NDSU offensive line saying screw the first half... We're running. Try to stop us.

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We did, your coaches found our chink and exploited it and demoralized them. I gave A compliment take it.

[X-Factor]

Ridiculous that they call Crockett the single season rushing leader at NDSU. He is several hundred yards behind Gordon. Last I checked 2200>1800.
I suggest you check again

[caribbeanhen]

Just out coached

KC was being his usual conservative self

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that early FG attempt shows who Keeler is..... leaning to the right, should of went for it

[centennial]

Just out coached
This. Our adjustments are happening much faster. Your coaches don't adjust well. Loading the box and selling out can only work for so long.

[Texas]

This. Our adjustments are happening much faster. Your coaches don't adjust well. Loading the box and selling out can only work for so long.

Klieman is a hell of a coach.

[IBleedYellow]

My point is Keeler is a good coach...

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[NDSUSR]

Crockett > SHSU

[El Griz]

Congrats to NDSU again. Always enjoy watching that team (program) over the years. Just wish their Public Announcer showed a little more respect to the NCAA playoffs and not homered his announcing.

[Sam_Kats]

Sam was playing with house money. Bison simply do not make mistakes. Both fumbles went right to another NDSU player & neither false start by the FB was called. Just a very disciplined team.

Congrats to the Bison. Unbelievable 4 yr run.

These Kats will be back.

[344Johnson]

When did Gordon play? Perhaps they mean 1AA/FCS era?


I suggest you check again

Check gobison.com dumb****.

Gordon 346 carries 2196 yards. 27 TD's. 14 games. 14 starts.

Check that, 2124 net gained. Previous number didn't account for carries when he lost yardage.

They have decided to only count the D2 regular season stats but the D1 guys get to count playoffs? That's BS. Gordon would bend Crockett over and tell him to bite the pillow.

[TheKingpin28]

Bad call. He was never down

[ursus arctos horribilis]

That isn't even close, he's in.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

This has the potential to be the token NDSU drive that truly demoralizes the opponent...

And it was.....

[NDSUSR]

Sam was playing with house money. Bison simply do not make mistakes. Both fumbles went right to another NDSU player & neither false start by the FB was called. Just a very disciplined team.

Congrats to the Bison. Unbelievable 4 yr run.

These Kats will be back.

Well at least I didnt take the spread bet with you.

[X-Factor]

Check gobison.com dumb****.

Gordon 346 carries 2196 yards. 27 TD's. 14 games. 14 starts.

They have decided to only count the D2 regular season stats but the D1 guys get to count playoffs? That's BS. Gordon would bend Crockett over and tell him to bite the pillow.
Wow, why the foul language? You deserve some serious neg rep for that. Very uncalled for.

[Texas]

Sam was playing with house money. Bison simply do not make mistakes. Both fumbles went right to another NDSU player & neither false start by the FB was called. Just a very disciplined team.

Congrats to the Bison. Unbelievable 4 yr run.

These Kats will be back.

Yup we will be back. If you told me in September that we made the playoffs and won 3 playoff games I'd laugh at you.

[NDSUtk]

Love the fact they just played God Bless Texas over the speakers during that replay. Tell 3rd Base (Wild Pitch) to load up on booze. We are coming down again.

[TheKingpin28]

I didn't know Klieman smiled during games since he became the HC? That might be the first time I've seen it all year

[Sycamore62]

I still would have kicked the 2nd fg if I were SHSU.

[RabidRabbit]

Bearkats=toast

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[344Johnson]

When did Gordon play? Perhaps they mean 1AA/FCS era?


I suggest you check again


Wow, why the foul language? You deserve some serious neg rep for that. Very uncalled for.

You suggested I check again. I did. Which was a waste of time. Admit you were wrong.

I'd also settle for a retraction from the NDSU athletic department. Gordon has the record.

[IBleedYellow]

God Bless Texas!

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[grayghost06]

Good season for the Bearcats, especially the second half of it. Also like the hire of Keeler. NDSU is just a juggernaut. Could be worse; Mt. Union has lost to Wisc. Whitewater in the D-III finals 4 of the last 5 years.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Congrats to NDSU again. Always enjoy watching that team (program) over the years. Just wish their Public Announcer showed a little more respect to the NCAA playoffs and not homered his announcing.

I'd rather home field crap not be messed with and you get what you usually get. That does nothing to the game to detract from it.

[TheKingpin28]

Is that the first penalty of the half?

[X-Factor]

You suggested I check again. I did. Which was a waste of time. Admit you were wrong.

I'd also settle for a retraction from the NDSU athletic department. Gordon has the record.
No dude, it's the fact that you feel like being an asshole about it to a fellow Bison fan. What gives? Yo momma drop you on your head as a pup?

[Sam_Kats]

That was a hit by his pads or helmet. Does that NDSU poster from earlier want a flag??

[veinup]

i was hoping for some quality entertainment tonight

[Bison56]

Sammy will be a a force next season.

[IBleedYellow]

All you guys talking about the home fields stuff. The first year NDSU ever hosted an FCS playoff game we did NOTHING. We then went to Montana State and Eastern Washington and they didn't do anything different (for what we were told) so from here on out we treat the games like a normal home game. Don't like it? Don't lose in the regular season.

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[Sam_Kats]

If a Sam player does that, NDSU fans scream for days about "cheap shots." Interesting change of opinion, I guess.

[TheKingpin28]

That was a hit by his pads or helmet. Does that NDSU poster from earlier want a flag??

It wasn't targeting but I'm surprised they didn't call roughing the passer. I try to have objectivity when it comes to penalties even if my homerism is strong

[Texas]

Sammy will be a a force next season.

22 returning starters I hope we can finally dish out some revenge

[NDSUSR]

If a Sam player does that, NDSU fans scream for days about "cheap shots." Interesting change of opinion, I guess.

Bull****.

[Bison56]

If a Sam player does that, NDSU fans scream for days about "cheap shots." Interesting change of opinion, I guess.
You mean weeks.:D

[Big Rack]

If a Sam player does that, NDSU fans scream for days about "cheap shots." Interesting change of opinion, I guess.

Sam fans stopped screaming a couple of years ago....

[Da Herd]

That was a hit by his pads or helmet. Does that NDSU poster from earlier want a flag??

No flag desired here. That is what I was hoping for.

[Sam_Kats]

You know it & so does everyone else.

Anywho...congrats again, Bison fans. MOST of you guys are the real deal. A couple of d-bags shouldn't ruin your look.

[Big Rack]

It wasn't targeting but I'm surprised they didn't call roughing the passer. I try to have objectivity when it comes to penalties even if my homerism is strong

FCS has better refs than the NFL.

[Bison56]

22 returning starters I hope we can finally dish out some revenge

No doubt you will if they went this far in the first year together it can only get better.

[Winindy]

Hit looked ok to me.

Haven't seen much out of 85 today, but man, he's a big guy.

[Professor Chaos]

If anyone was looking for what happened to the Bison defense I think I found them!

[TheKingpin28]

If a Sam player does that, NDSU fans scream for days about "cheap shots." Interesting change of opinion, I guess.

Kind of like that late hit on the INT out of bounds? Change of opinion as well?

[El Griz]

Thank you again NDSU. One step closer to keeping the championship away from the east coast bias teams.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

All you guys talking about the home fields stuff. The first year NDSU ever hosted an FCS playoff game we did NOTHING. We then went to Montana State and Eastern Washington and they didn't do anything different (for what we were told) so from here on out we treat the games like a normal home game. Don't like it? Don't lose in the regular season.

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I rode the living crap out of some Bison fans back then griping about it so my feeling is the same. Do what you do and treat your fans to that which they are accustomed...and don't whine about things.

Holy christ Deluka (sp?) has had himself a game!

[centennial]

Intercepted!

[Winindy]

Didn't they say the refs were from the ACC? Or did they mess that up and mean CAA?

[Big Rack]

You know it & so does everyone else.



False. Why are you trying to take the easy way out?

[NDSUSR]

A couple of d-bags shouldn't ruin your look.
Kind of like you have done to SHSU?

[centennial]

NDSU to start near the 50 yard line.

[TheKingpin28]

Didn't they say the refs were from the ACC? Or did they mess that up and mean CAA?

I heard Big South from the ESPN crew

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Bull****.
Did you miss the early part of the game in this thread?

[NDSUSR]

Kind of like that late hit on the INT out of bounds? Change of opinion as well?

Come on.. It was only a push in the back 10 feet out of bounds.

[PantherRob82]

That was a terrible missed call on the INT. SHSU is a bunch of whiny babies. Every game I have seen this season I have been impressed with their talent and very unimpressed with how they carry themselves.

[Texas]

That was a terrible missed call on the INT. SHSU is a bunch of whiny babies. Every game I have seen this season I have been impressed with their talent and very unimpressed with how they carry themselves.

What?

[Sam_Kats]

Easy way out of what? Some poster earlier wanted a pussy flag thrown on a weak hit on. Your QB. Then a deliberate one (which the commentators even questioned & replayed) on Johnson & no one says a word. That was my point. Obviously wouldn't have mattered. I've congratulated your team 3 times.

Im im all for letting them play. It was a reaction to the previous poster. Do dry your panties.

[TheKingpin28]

Easy way out of what? Some poster earlier wanted a pussy flag thrown on a weak hit on. Your QB. Then a deliberate one (which the commentators even questioned & replayed) no one says a word.

Im im all for letting them play. It was a reaction to the previous poster. Do dry your panties.

You must have missed where I said I was shocked I didn't see a roughing the passer call then?

[Big Rack]

It's time to take the starters out.

[Winindy]

I'm sure they'd rather have Beck out there, but DeLuca is really stepping it up today.

[patssle]

Things to do in North Dakota: Frack oil. Frack sheep. And frack up SHSU football seasons. Great year though!

[Beer]

All you guys talking about the home fields stuff. The first year NDSU ever hosted an FCS playoff game we did NOTHING. We then went to Montana State and Eastern Washington and they didn't do anything different (for what we were told) so from here on out we treat the games like a normal home game. Don't like it? Don't lose in the regular season.

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Yep. Announcing for Robert Morris @ NDSU was vanilla coated vanilla with vanilla sauce. I had heard that NDSU asked the NCAA for clarifications as to what would be violations before hosting JMU in '11.

[TILIS-BisonFan]

God Bless Texas!

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[PantherRob82]

What?

Did I stutter? Couldn't happen to nicer people. xrolleyesx

[UNHWildcat18]

Well NDSU is going back to the ship, they also get another homegame.....

[Texas]

Did I stutter? Couldn't happen to nicer people. xrolleyesx

What exactly is being whined about? Penalties? Sam_Kat is replying to Cent who was complaining.

[Big Rack]

Things to do in North Dakota: Frack oil. Frack sheep. And frack up SHSU football seasons. Great year though!

Montana is the sheep fracking State. Everyone knows that except you....

[Texas]

Well NDSU is going back to the ship, they also get another homegame.....

That woulda happened to who ever won this game

[Da Herd]

I hope the bison D piss pounds them after that helmet to helmet on wentz. He hit him just like the git on the injury.

If this is the post you're whining about please explain where I asked for a flag? Just don't like seeing the qb getting schlacked like that. I would have been happier to see the littlejon hit before Sammy got all tuckered out and quit.

[PantherRob82]

What exactly is being whined about? Penalties? Sam_Kat is replying to Cent who was complaining.

I'm talking about your team. xlolx

[Texas]

I'm talking about your team. xlolx

Whining about?

[PantherRob82]

Whining about?

Your players are whiners and poor sports. Not just tonight. This season, in previous seasons.

[mmiller_34]

Wow

[Texas]

If this is the post you're whining about please explain where I asked for a flag? Just don't like seeing the qb getting schlacked like that. I would have been happier to see the littlejon hit before Sammy got all tuckered out and quit.

44 post ****ty sunshine fan found

[BearKatProud]

Congrats to the Bison and their fans. Truly the standard in the Fcs.


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[TILIS-BisonFan]

And yes Sam Houston has talent but they also seem very chippy and chirpy after the whistle.
FBS transfers for a reason. We have one if I'm nor mistaken. But southern speed 😉

[Sam_Kats]

Guess I'd rather whine on the field than on the couch. You?

[centennial]

What exactly is being whined about? Penalties? Sam_Kat is replying to Cent who was complaining.
I was but at least they haven't called much and let them play. Consistency is all I ask for.

[Winindy]

Now we are arguing about where it's best to whine? Standards are being set in this thread.

[PantherRob82]

Guess I'd rather whine on the field than on the couch. You?

Couch is way more comfortable

[Big Rack]

Guess I'd rather whine on the field than on the couch. You?

How about not whine at all or just not whine on the internet?

[Sam_Kats]

Bro...it's a joke. It's also a message board. Relax, my man.

[Da Herd]

44 post ****ty sunshine fan found

Yep. And I went to 5 quarters of football in my 5 years of school there. Big whup.xlolx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

How about not whine at all or just not whine on the internet?

That sounds good in theory...


Congrats Bison.

[Texas]

Congrats, good luck in Frisco.

[Southern Bison]

Another BISON road trip!

Congrats to Sammy on a strong season

[gregatim]

Congrats, good luck in Frisco.

Thank you!! You might as come up for the party!! Frisco has a fourth chance to get it right. What are the Vegas odds we drink Frisco dry........again?

[BNATION]

Good luck in Frisco. Out coached in this one. Bad game called by SHSU offensively.

[Big Rack]

Bro...it's a joke. It's also a message board. Relax, my man.

Sorry, I'm used to telling my kids not to whine.:D

[IBleedYellow]

Fiancé cleared me to go to Frisco...now to get work off.

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[Southern Bison]

Ever feel like you're running a daycare, Ursus? ;)

[gregatim]

Fiancé cleared me to go to Frisco...now to get work off.

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Ask for forgiveness not permission. The unemployment rate is 2 in ND, it's not like they'll fire you.

[Sam_Kats]

See you Bison fans in Frisco. Do I get a sympathy cool pop??

[Bisonator]

Congrats to Sammy on a helluva season!

The defense we all know and love finally showed up and kept us in the game in the first half. Second half the Rams took over and our power run game wore them down. Thankfully for my heart it wasn't another nailbiter. I need 3 weeks to recover.

[Bison56]

Fiancé cleared me to go to Frisco...now to get work off.

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Will you get to wear pants?:D

[Bison56]

Is this a football thread?

[WWII]

Time for the annual migration to start.

[TheRevSFA]

I'm glad I watched the game and wrapped presents instead of reading this thread.

Congrats NDSU. Hopefully my plans don't hit a snag and I'll be in frisco.

Nice season Sammy. From a d2 loss to a final four appearance. Just please don't make FCS final four shirts

[344Johnson]

Still waiting for x factor to acknowledge Gordon is the ndsu single season rushing record holder. Despite playing in fewer games.


Also, hoping Illinois state wins tomorrow so the championship game is at least mildly interesting.

[RabidRabbit]

And Bison closest game to get to Frisco was SDSU. Wish Jacks would not get regionalized to Fargo most years. 👿. Good success in Frisco. Hope you & redbirds finally play that MVFC championship game.

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[ursus arctos horribilis]

Fiancé cleared me to go to Frisco...now to get work off.

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I wonder what it be like for you if you had a set?

[gregatim]

Still waiting for x factor to acknowledge Gordon is the ndsu single season rushing record holder. Despite playing in fewer games.


Also, hoping Illinois state wins tomorrow so the championship game is at least mildly interesting.

can you repeat the part where you said all about the things?

so let me get this straight. You're saying runner x is the SINGLE SEASON rushing leader even though runner Y ran for more yards for the same team in a SINGLE SEASON??? That's what you are saying???

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Ever feel like you're running a daycare, Ursus? ;)

I think daycare's probably have more reasoned discourse between the patrons (in general) but other than that... xlolx

[Bison56]

xlolx can't stop laughing
I wonder what it be like for you if you had a set?

[AmsterBison]

SHSU shocked me with how they shut down NDSU's offense in the first half. Not sure what adjustments NDSU made after the half, but SHSU obviously didn't have time to respond to them.

Great season, Bearkats. Future looks pretty bright in Huntsville.

[344Johnson]

When did Gordon play? Perhaps they mean 1AA/FCS era?


I suggest you check again


can you repeat the part where you said all about the things?

so let me get this straight. You're saying runner x is the SINGLE SEASON rushing leader even though runner Y ran for more yards for the same team in a SINGLE SEASON??? That's what you are saying???

No. Runner X ran for more yards... We'll call him Gordon. At school y, we will call it NDSU... And runner z, we'll call him... Crockett. Runner X ran for over 2100 yards in 14 games. Runner Z still has not gotten to that level.... Despite playing in an additional game.

NDS....I mean... School Y has deliberately screwed over runner X.

[semobison]

Still waiting for x factor to acknowledge Gordon is the ndsu single season rushing record holder. Despite playing in fewer games.


Also, hoping Illinois state wins tomorrow so the championship game is at least mildly interesting.

According to the NDSU media guide Gordon rushed for 1723 yards in 2000. That sounds about right. Not sure if there are playoff yards that were not included or not. It really doesn't matter that much anyway

[UNHWildcat18]

Still waiting for x factor to acknowledge Gordon is the ndsu single season rushing record holder. Despite playing in fewer games.


Also, hoping Illinois state wins tomorrow so the championship game is at least mildly interesting.

Get bent. So if UNH wins the game won't be interesting?

[El Griz]

Get bent. So if UNH wins the game won't be interesting?

Exactly.

[344Johnson]

When did Gordon play? Perhaps they mean 1AA/FCS era?


I suggest you check again


According to the NDSU media guide Gordon rushed for 1723 yards in 2000. That sounds about right. Not sure if there are playoff yards that were not included or not. It really doesn't matter that much anyway

The media guide is not counting his playoff yards. But Crockett gets his counted? No. That's bull.

Records are made to be broken but you can't just change the criteria to this level. Gordon gets to count his 11 game regular season but not his playoff games.... While Crockett gets to count 16 games. No **** Crockett will break the record.

If you want to count playoff games, fine. I don't agree with it, I'd say the regular season is what should count but that's not important. What is important is consistency. If you count one guys playoff games, you should probably go through the effort to count the other guys as well. It's not even hard. The info is right there on the school athletic site.

[TheEagleSHSU]

Congrats to the Bison, ya'll are the standard. SHSU a year or so away. To many mistakes tonight. Good luck to y'all in the mvc championship.

[IBleedYellow]

I wonder what it be like for you if you had a set?
Man, it's way easier to a ask this far in advance... Buy tickets, and then go when she says no anyway. Since she said yes I just am on her good side for 1 day or so.

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[marenlee]

Great game Kats! Definitely was scared for a while there. It's always fun seeing NDSU and SHSU go at it. As for the abomination of the last 20 or so pages. Ick. It takes only a few of you to ruin a perfectly good thread. STOP WHINING. And for god's sake, stop with the personal attacks.

[JSUBison]

I just got an auto call from the NDSU ticket office for Frisco tickets. It's 12am here on the East Coast, lol. Obviously I'm still up, but I wonder how many people are getting woke up right now.

[tnbison]

I just got an auto call from the NDSU ticket office for Frisco tickets. It's 12am here on the East Coast, lol. Obviously I'm still up, but I wonder how many people are getting woke up right now.
I wonder how many(including myself) had purchased tickets before the playoffs even started? Hasn't failed me yet!

[Mr. C]

The media guide is not counting his playoff yards. But Crockett gets his counted? No. That's bull.

Records are made to be broken but you can't just change the criteria to this level. Gordon gets to count his 11 game regular season but not his playoff games.... While Crockett gets to count 16 games. No **** Crockett will break the record.

If you want to count playoff games, fine. I don't agree with it, I'd say the regular season is what should count but that's not important. What is important is consistency. If you count one guys playoff games, you should probably go through the effort to count the other guys as well. It's not even hard. The info is right there on the school athletic site.

It is the stupid way the NCAA does official stats. I've had some interesting discussions with statistics guru Jim Wright of the NCAA on that front. They won't go back and retroactively change anything. No one was hurt more by those decisions than the great Adrian Peterson of Georgia Southern, who had a truckload of yardage in postseason play.

[Mr. C]

Great game Kats! Definitely was scared for a while there. It's always fun seeing NDSU and SHSU go at it. As for the abomination of the last 20 or so pages. Ick. It takes only a few of you to ruin a perfectly good thread. STOP WHINING. And for god's sake, stop with the personal attacks.
When Appalachian State won its three straight titles, they used to keep the ticket office open after the semifinal games and sold tickets right at the stadium. I remember going and writing my game story for that ASU-Richmond Friday night semifinal classic in 2007 and coming out and seeing that they were just closing up shop in the ticket office. It was wild, but fun.

[gregatim]

The media guide is not counting his playoff yards. But Crockett gets his counted? No. That's bull.

Records are made to be broken but you can't just change the criteria to this level. Gordon gets to count his 11 game regular season but not his playoff games.... While Crockett gets to count 16 games. No **** Crockett will break the record.

If you want to count playoff games, fine. I don't agree with it, I'd say the regular season is what should count but that's not important. What is important is consistency. If you count one guys playoff games, you should probably go through the effort to count the other guys as well. It's not even hard. The info is right there on the school athletic site.

i stand corrected, Gordon ran for 2124 yds in 2000, 1723 in the regular season.

[BisonBohl]

Gordon was a flat out beast, no doubt about that. Every time he touched it you thought he was gone.

[Hammerhead]

Did anyone else get tired of hearing about how many FBS transfers were on the field from the ESPN announcers? Oh, and that one holding penalty in the 2nd championship game was all that kept SHSU from winning. :(

[marenlee]

Kinds like every time King Frazier touches the ball. "The Nebraska transfer." It gets old. We get it. There's transfers. Just say it once and be done with it. They might as well have put TCU/TTU/Baylor Xfer on the back of their jerseys.

[centennial]

I think the FCS does a disservice to itself when they bring most starters from the FBS. I can understand filling some holes.

[AmsterBison]

I think the FCS does a disservice to itself when they bring most starters from the FBS. I can understand filling some holes.

Seems like once they put on the Bearkat uniform, they should be considered Sam Houston State players through and through, not FBS. However, announcers love to bring it up, and I'm not sure why. Maybe it's to pique the interest of FBS fans watching?

Justin Howard caught at TD pass for UW-Whitewater tonight. The announcers didn't feel the need to mention that he transferred there from NDSU.

[frozennorth]

The media guide is not counting his playoff yards. But Crockett gets his counted? No. That's bull.

Records are made to be broken but you can't just change the criteria to this level. Gordon gets to count his 11 game regular season but not his playoff games.... While Crockett gets to count 16 games. No **** Crockett will break the record.

If you want to count playoff games, fine. I don't agree with it, I'd say the regular season is what should count but that's not important. What is important is consistency. If you count one guys playoff games, you should probably go through the effort to count the other guys as well. It's not even hard. The info is right there on the school athletic site.

They go by the ncaa you stupid ****.

Honestly this month long temper tantrum of yours is getting a little old. Grow the **** up.

[Sammy94]

Congrats Bison. Good luck in Fargo though you won't need it

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Frisco, I need to quit drinking

[FargoBison]

That looked a lot like some of the Bison games earlier this year, slow start and then big second half. I think the Bison physical offense mixed with SHSU having played so many games in a row was a huge factor. Getting that first round bye and having home field is so massive in the playoffs.

Bison defense stepped up big though after a rough game last week. Offense has some issues with injuries, depth at receiver is almost non-existent. Hoping Vraa can get back for Frisco. We will need him.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Man, it's way easier to a ask this far in advance... Buy tickets, and then go when she says no anyway. Since she said yes I just am on her good side for 1 day or so.

Sent from a TI-83+ Calculator

My man, ya know I love ya but let me ask you how many times do you think I've ever asked a woman for permission to do anything? I mean let's call this an after the age of 15 thing when one had to ask mom for permission and just start from there.

BTW, I have been in the exact state you are in right now with a gal back around the time the Griz went to 1995 chipper....I was engaged, do you think I asked permission? Another pro tip since you are hanging around us dudes...don't refer to her as fiance...man that word just sounds...hell I don't know but it ain't good.

If you need to give me a call and I'll tell you what it's like to have a pair brother. Look forward to hearing form you.:D

There, now I've really taken the level of this thread up a notch! You're welcome! All of you.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Great game Kats! Definitely was scared for a while there. It's always fun seeing NDSU and SHSU go at it. As for the abomination of the last 20 or so pages. Ick. It takes only a few of you to ruin a perfectly good thread. STOP WHINING. And for god's sake, stop with the personal attacks.

Hey IBY is a friend of mine and I gotta bust his balls a little bit when he steps out of line like that! I mean I have to get them from his chick to do it but it's worth the effort.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Did anyone else get tired of hearing about how many FBS transfers were on the field from the ESPN announcers? Oh, and that one holding penalty in the 2nd championship game was all that kept SHSU from winning. :(

Absolutely agree. I am fairly easily annoyed sometimes watching them anyway though so glad to see it wasn't just me.

[BisonFan02]

Just read this thread....gonna go take a shower....shame! Good season Sammy.

[marenlee]

Hey IBY is a friend of mine and I gotta bust his balls a little bit when he steps out of line like that! I mean I have to get them from his chick to do it but it's worth the effort.

Please feel free to bust his balls often. Someone needs to keep that boy in line. And of course my comment wasn't directed at you Ursus. But I'm sure you knew that. Mostly referring to the "Why the hell did I waste my time reading about blatant miss-calls, cheapshots, classless, etc etc" posts. Oh, and of course, stat arguing.

[TheEagleSHSU]

Good thing I couldn't hear the announcers as I have been drink since 4pm. Good luck and thank you for supporting the Texas Economy in the coming weeks with the price of oil these days we need it. Lol

[BisonBabe]

My man, ya know I love ya but let me ask you how many times do you think I've ever asked a woman for permission to do anything? I mean let's call this an after the age of 15 thing when one had to ask mom for permission and just start from there.

BTW, I have been in the exact state you are in right now with a gal back around the time the Griz went to 1995 chipper....I was engaged, do you think I asked permission? Another pro tip since you are hanging around us dudes...don't refer to her as fiance...man that word just sounds...hell I don't know but it ain't good.

If you need to give me a call and I'll tell you what it's like to have a pair brother. Look forward to hearing form you.:D

There, now I've really taken the level of this thread up a notch! You're welcome! All of you.

or here's a thought. Get your better half into football. The trips have been awesome the last 3 years. Just booked the hotel for this year.

[FargoBison]

Tweet from Carey Woods who was carted off the field early in the game....Glad he is ok!


I just wanna give a huge thank you to everyone in bison nation for the support and the prayers I'm alright and proud to wear the green gold

https://twitter.com/CareyWoods1/status/546195290781253633

[344Johnson]

So the problem lies with the NCAA rather than ndsu. They are counting FCS playoff yards but not D2 playoff yards for school records.....

It's bull no matter how you look at it. You can't discount one guys stats from the playoffs and count another guys. Simple Simon.

[Drblankstare]

I hope that the the Sam fans who were disappointed about downtown being slow last night, had a chance to see it tonight. Pretty lively

[herd13]

Is it just me or did the transfers get beat real bad by those 4 year starters. Before anybody responds...... Yes I am proud to be a bison and I am trolling as well. Can't help it. Frisco!!!

[thebootfitter]

So the problem lies with the NCAA rather than ndsu. They are counting FCS playoff yards but not D2 playoff yards for school records.....

It's bull no matter how you look at it. You can't discount one guys stats from the playoffs and count another guys. Simple Simon.
Ahh... But you CAN. In fact... they DO. You may not like it. You're not alone. But whining about it won't change anything.

A. P. ran for what he ran for. Lamar Gordon ran for what he ran for. So did Johnny Crockett. No record books will change what they did on the field.

Eventually it won't matter even in the record books, because even if you were to include post-season stats for those before 2003 or whatever, the records will eventually be broken. In the meantime, anyone who actually cares can mention the asterisk behind Crockett's new record. And then let it go.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

or here's a thought. Get your better half into football. The trips have been awesome the last 3 years. Just booked the hotel for this year.

Yup, that's good too.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

So the problem lies with the NCAA rather than ndsu. They are counting FCS playoff yards but not D2 playoff yards for school records.....

It's bull no matter how you look at it. You can't discount one guys stats from the playoffs and count another guys. Simple Simon.

It is weird to me how far behind some of you guys are on some of this stuff. Yes it's bull. Dave Dickenson, Adrian Peterson, hell a host of HOF type FCS'ers didn't have their stats in playoffs counted dude. This did not change until probably 2003 or so but they all shoul be retroactively redone in my mind but it's apparently a lot more of aproblem than it would seem to be.

Anyway, not sure why you are taking this so personally and lighting people up over it when they are trying to enlighten you on the matter?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Ahh... But you CAN. In fact... they DO. You may not like it. You're not alone. But whining about it won't change anything.

A. P. ran for what he ran for. Lamar Gordon ran for what he ran for. So did Johnny Crockett. No record books will change what they did on the field.

Eventually it won't matter even in the record books, because even if you were to include post-season stats for those before 2003 or whatever, the records will eventually be broken. In the meantime, anyone who actually cares can mention the asterisk behind Crockett's new record. And then let it go.

Ah, there is the answers right there! Apologies to Catfan for my earlier comment about you not seeing the post on the same page...I just did the same. xlolx

[344Johnson]

When did Gordon play? Perhaps they mean 1AA/FCS era?


I suggest you check again


Ahh... But you CAN. In fact... they DO. You may not like it. You're not alone. But whining about it won't change anything.

A. P. ran for what he ran for. Lamar Gordon ran for what he ran for. So did Johnny Crockett. No record books will change what they did on the field.

Eventually it won't matter even in the record books, because even if you were to include post-season stats for those before 2003 or whatever, the records will eventually be broken. In the meantime, anyone who actually cares can mention the asterisk behind Crockett's new record. And then let it go.

I would expect anyone who has ever lived in the great state of north Dakota to respect the sanctity of a single season record.

They have no reason to lie about it. At least when Maris got his record broke.... They were naive enough to think the guys were not juicing. Right here.... We are dealing with two very different set of circumstances.

[thebootfitter]

Ah, there is the answers right there! Apologies to Catfan for my earlier comment about you not seeing the post on the same page...I just did the same. xlolx
(I think we must have posted at about the same time. The moment I posted and refreshed, I saw your response and thought that you beat me to it.)

[ursus arctos horribilis]

(I think we must have posted at about the same time. The moment I posted and refreshed, I saw your response and thought that you beat me to it.)

Oh good that does make me feel less dirty.

[TheKingpin28]

Well downturn decided to for up tonight. Ix made that mistake of staring around 4pm. But wow that was one hell of a nigh. I really think SHSU is going to be the Dante next year. Of and thank God for autocorrect when one is sloshed

[344Johnson]

^ what on earth is he saying

[Twentysix]

^ what on earth is he saying

Just go to bed.

[citdog]

Man, it's way easier to a ask this far in advance... Buy tickets, and then go when she says no anyway. Since she said yes I just am on her good side for 1 day or so.

Sent from a TI-83+ Calculator

It must suck to be a married man. It is true that married men live longer but can you really call that living?

[caribbeanhen]

Did anyone else get tired of hearing about how many FBS transfers were on the field from the ESPN announcers? Oh, and that one holding penalty in the 2nd championship game was all that kept SHSU from winning. :(

not nearly as tired as having the Bizn country fair PA announcer in the booth, now that was irritating

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Got a good laugh out of reading this thread.

Great game by the Bison. Series of the game was when the Bison marched in the 3rd quarter to score and they ran the no huddle. 6 straight plays......the same running play right up the middle and SHSU could not stop it....xthumbsupx

Bison Oline wore out the Dline.

Off to Frisco for a 4th straight year!!

GO BISON

[caribbeanhen]

the game turned fast, Sammy looked like the better team in the first half, they were whipping the Bizun in the trenches and appeared to be gaining confidence, I was almost feeling sorry for the mighty Bizun and just like that everything changed....... not sure exactly what happened but thinking back, that roughing the Kicker play after they had stopped them again might have been what got N Dak S going, but once they got going nothing could be done to stop them...... I think KC played it a bit to conservative, down 7-0 with 4th and 1 at the 30 he kicks the FG, that one I can accept, but than he does it again.... and missed.... go for it Keeler, you were going to have to score some points to have a chance...

[IBleedYellow]

Hey Bison fans. We have complained about penalties all year...we had ONE for 5 yards. A delay of game. Clearly we were too loud in the Dome. xrotatehx

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Hey Bison fans. We have complained about penalties all year...we had ONE for 5 yards. A delay of game. Clearly we were too loud in the Dome. xrotatehx


Great game by the Bison. SHSU got chippy also and they kept their cool!

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

not down here, the view is nice too

so do you have a prediction for this game or are you only here to embarrass yourself?



Pure gold right there!!

Your boy Keeler did a piss poor job of coaching last night!

[IBleedYellow]

Random Shower thoughts:

If NDSU wins in Frisco this senior class will have more National Titles than losses...

[kdinva]

that was competitive.......for 34 minutes.......then...... xasswhipx


The only thing now that would impress me more is if NDSU lost on Jan. 10th......

Oh, SHSU QB Johnson is built like Randall Cunningham, seemed some plays as mobile as Howard Cunningham....

[caribbeanhen]

Did you just say you read this thread? and than you still want to call KC my boy.... or are you just trolling me again




not down here, the view is nice too

so do you have a prediction for this game or are you only here to embarrass yourself?






Pure gold right there!!

Your boy Keeler did a piss poor job of coaching last night!

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

[QUOTE=caribbeanhen;2201775]Did you just say you read this thread? and than you still want to call KC my boy.... or are you just trolling me again



Pick up your game McFly!

[IBleedYellow]

Fix the damn quote string...

[Texas]

that was competitive.......for 31 minutes.......then...... xasswhipx


The only thing now that would impress me more is if NDSU lost on Jan. 10th......

Oh, SHSU QB Johnson is built like Randall Cunningham, is as mobile as Howard Cunningham....

Uh what? Johnson ripped off several big runs our OLine wasn't playing well at all on top of an injury.
Don't mistake Johnson's long strides for slow either, it might not look fast but he's got some wheels.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Uh what? Johnson ripped off several big runs our OLine wasn't playing well at all on top of an injury.



NDSU made great defensive adjustments and contained Johnson. A lot of his runs were in garbage time on that last drive.

[Texas]

NDSU made great defensive adjustments and contained Johnson. A lot of his runs were in garbage time on that last drive.

I was talking about the first half.

[caribbeanhen]

[QUOTE=caribbeanhen;2201775]Did you just say you read this thread? and than you still want to call KC my boy.... or are you just trolling me again



Pick up your game McFly!


McFly? Am I supposed to feel insulted by that...... anyway.... listen up,

KC obviously is doing something right, he's a great interview, probably a pretty good motivator, has a good plastic surgeon and hair dresser, says the right things, loads up on transfers to give himself a chance to win, gets good assistant coaches to do the coaching while KC does the talking, mentions lunch with Joe Flacco at the drop of a hat and is now 3-1 in the past 11 years in FCS semi-finals..... not bad at all

but just know KC has never outcoached anyone in his life

[IBleedYellow]

Johnson's longest run was a 19 yard scamper that was a busted play where NDSU missed 4 tackles. That was frustrating to watch.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I was talking about the first half.


In the 1st half the SHSU defense impressed me a lot more than the offense. The defense was fast and they were gap sound right away. SHSU would load the strong side of the field with #40 and then NDSU started to run away from the strong side and started to gain yards running. SHSU's defense wore out in the 2nd half.

With 22 starters back next year, SHSU will be a force.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

[QUOTE=Bison Fan in NW MN;2201776]


McFly? Am I supposed to feel insulted by that...... anyway.... listen up,

KC obviously is doing something right, he's a great interview, probably a pretty good motivator, has a good plastic surgeon and hair dresser, says the right things, loads up on transfers to give himself a chance to win, gets good assistant coaches to do the coaching while KC does the talking, mentions lunch with Joe Flacco at the drop of a hat and is now 3-1 in the past 11 years in FCS semi-finals..... not bad at all

but just know KC has never outcoached anyone in his life



xlolx

It showed last night!

[kdinva]

Uh what? Johnson ripped off several big runs our OLine wasn't playing well at all on top of an injury.
Don't mistake Johnson's long strides for slow either, it might not look fast but he's got some wheels.

true, NSDU's defense had a lot to do with that as well......

[kdinva]

With 22 starters back next year, SHSU will be a force.

yeah, I see them a preseason (2015) top-6...

[CasualFan]

I missed the game, but the stats look like it was a much closer than the score. Congrats SHSU on the great season.


Avatar challenge. Go Chants!

[IBleedYellow]

I missed the game, but the stats look like it was a much closer than the score. Congrats SHSU on the great season.


Avatar challenge. Go Chants!

Uhhh...It was an utter domination in the second half. The Kats couldn't do anything.

[TheKingpin28]

So I don't remember that last post? I should really hide my stuff when drunk me comes around so he can't do dumb stuff. I have no idea what I was trying to say or think. But overall, that was a good game to watch and finally the Bison though it was a good idea to come out and be a 2nd half team and not make me fret/havw a heart attack for a 3rd game in a row.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Uhhh...It was an utter domination in the second half. The Kats couldn't do anything.


I think it was the 3rd TD in the 3rd quarter, the Bison ran the same running play 4 or 5 times in a row and SHSU couldn't stop it and knew it was coming....xlolx

[stevdock]

Hey Bison fans. We have complained about penalties all year...we had ONE for 5 yards. A delay of game. Clearly we were too loud in the Dome. xrotatehx

It was nice to see the stupid penalties go away. I thought their were plenty of penalties out there on both sides, the refs just didn't see/call them.

[IBleedYellow]

I think it was the 3rd TD in the 3rd quarter, the Bison ran the same running play 4 or 5 times in a row and SHSU couldn't stop it and knew it was coming....xlolx

John Crockett in the postgame interviews "So I knew we were going to run our power, but I didn't realize we were going to run it 6 times in a row, I was kind of gased."

[IBleedYellow]

Also, I read on BV and had one of my friends who sits over by the pressbox who confirmed this: Tim Polasek (OC) was pounding on the glass yelling "GO GO GO GO! THEY ARE GASED! GOOOO!!!" when we were doing this series because he could see just how down and out the SHSU defense was in that drive.

[Drblankstare]

I have a headache. That is all..... Actually, also Congrats to SHSU and their fans on a hell of a season and a very bright future. I doubt we've seen the last of each other.

[TheKingpin28]

Also, I read on BV and had one of my friends who sits over by the pressbox who confirmed this: Tim Polasek (OC) was pounding on the glass yelling "GO GO GO GO! THEY ARE GASED! GOOOO!!!" when we were doing this series because he could see just how down and out the SHSU defense was in that drive.

Im starting to like what he is doing for the Bison offense. I know I was harsh on him at first but I am really liking the expanded passing game. Props to Polasek to getting his stuff together

[Gil Dobie]

Congrats to Sam on a great season!

Good Luck in 2015.

[tnbison]

It was nice to see the stupid penalties go away. I thought their were plenty of penalties out there on both sides, the refs just didn't see/call them.
We definitely got away with 2 false startss

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

We definitely got away with 2 false startss


Call it a wash with how much Emmanuel was held last night!!

[IBleedYellow]

Oh I feel bad I haven't said this yet:

Sam Houston State. You guys are fun to bicker and mess around with, you always seem to have good football teams too. I'm glad we've been able to win the series currently at 4-1, but almost all of the games could have went either way (namely the first one in 07 and the game in 11). Keeler will be bringing back lots of talent and clearly he knows what to do with them. Probably only two offensive linemen away from a really really good team. I'm sure we'll see you again, and it'll be fun, just like always.

[dwtime]

I'm having the same trouble as some getting in through the discussion link only able to tap into current discussions. Anyone know why?

[dwtime]

I'm having the same trouble as some getting in through the discussion link only able to tap into current discussions. Anyone know why?

Getting this:

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[NoDak 4 Ever]

Getting this:

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Fatal error: Unknown: Failed opening required '/home/anygiven/public_html/forumdisplay.php' (include_path='.:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php') in Unknown on line 0

Same here. Anyone report it yet?

I emailed ursus' personal email. Hopefully he knows and is on it.

[Texas]

Call it a wash with how much Emmanuel was held last night!!

PJ was held every play. Let's not go short sighted. Your center I think it was held a lot.

[Sundog]

PJ was held every play. Let's not go short sighted. Your center I think it was held a lot.

So let's see, that means one of two things, based on your statement:

1. The officials missed something on "every" play or, at least, on "a lot" of plays. ... Wow, they must really have been looking somewhere else. You should probably call the NCAA and report this.

OR

2. You don't know what the actual definition of holding is.

[Texas]

So let's see, that means one of two things, based on your statement:

1. The officials missed something on "every" play or, at least, on "a lot" of plays. ... Wow, they must really have been looking somewhere else. You should probably call the NCAA and report this.

OR

2. You don't know what the actual definition of holding is.

Watch the replay and shut up. My whole point is the refs let both sides get away with a lot.

[centennial]

Seems like AGS has a DB error.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Seems like AGS has a DB error.

Yep, I sent it to ursus so hopefully something gets done.

[centennial]

Watch the replay and shut up. My whole point is the refs let both sides get away with a lot.
Both sides were holding. SHSU also had some pass interference that never got called, NDSU had some calls as well that didn't get called.

[Texas]

Both sides were holding. SHSU also had some pass interference that never got called, NDSU had some calls as well that didn't get called.

That's my point, don't complain about refs if you got away with the same penalties too.

[MR. CHICKEN]

Getting this:

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20374....ME TOO!.....:(...BRAWK!

[Hammerhead]

When there was an injury timeout for #73 with 9:10 to go in the 2nd quarter, you could see a couple of linemen on one knee. Is that something they normally do as a show of support for a team mate or were they already gassed?


Also, I read on BV and had one of my friends who sits over by the pressbox who confirmed this: Tim Polasek (OC) was pounding on the glass yelling "GO GO GO GO! THEY ARE GASED! GOOOO!!!" when we were doing this series because he could see just how down and out the SHSU defense was in that drive.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I'm having the same trouble as some getting in through the discussion link only able to tap into current discussions. Anyone know why?


Yep...having the same trouble.

[TheEagleSHSU]

When there was an injury timeout for #73 with 9:10 to go in the 2nd quarter, you could see a couple of linemen on one knee. Is that something they normally do as a show of support for a team mate or were they already gassed?

If one of the lineman is down all the other offensive lineman usually take a knee for there "brother" in the trenches.

[NDSUtk]

The officials crew was big south but the referee and umpire are also ACC officials and I've been told are doing the Cotton Bowl this year. Impressive crew. Probably why they let them play more than others in my opinion. Used to some big time games.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Getting this:

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Don't know what is going on yet but I have a ticket in on this issue and it is affecting me as well.

[Sundog]

Seems like AGS has a DB error.

sorry, replied to wrong post

[BisonFan02]

Don't know what is going on yet but I have a ticket in on this issue and it is affecting me as well.

Working now....fyi

[Sundog]

Watch the replay and shut up. My whole point is the refs let both sides get away with a lot.

I did watch the replay, and no, I won't shut up.

But if you are agreeing that whatever standard of "holding" this officiating crew was following was applied equally to both teams, then we have no beef, my friend.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

PJ was held every play. Let's not go short sighted. Your center I think it was held a lot.


Our o-line probably did have some holding but they totally dominated SHSU's D-line in the 2nd half. Emanuel had an outstanding game even getting mugged on every play.

[dewey]

John Crockett in the postgame interviews "So I knew we were going to run our power, but I didn't realize we were going to run it 6 times in a row, I was kind of gased."

That series of plays was awesome. If i remember correctly the offense got good standing ovation on those ones.

That game last night was a lot of fun! I just wanted to say congratulations to SHSU on their season. As others have said had anyone suggested that they would have made it to the national semifinals after the CSU Pueblo game they would have been driven to the loony bin but their team really came together and had a heck of a nice run.

I kind of feel bad for the guy to my right last night in section 5 as he was between my yelling and the field. Dang my vocal chords are sore today.

I am glad I bought my National Championship game tickets yesterday morning. I got my hotel reservation done and all I have to do is book my flight.

This has been an incredible run by NDSU the last 5 years and as a fan I feel extremely blessed to be part of it.

Dewey

[NDSUSR]

Refs sometimes decide to not "involve" officiating unless its called for.
The linesman will hold as much as they can, to feel out the refs.
If its getting called they back off.
Am I really the only one who is aware of this?

[Sundog]

Refs sometimes decide to not "involve" officiating unless its called for.
The linesman will hold as much as they can, to feel out the refs.
If its getting called they back off.
Am I really the only one who is aware of this?

You're right on.

The rules of any officiated sport are open to interpretation at the mercy of those with the whistles. I have no beef with this, as long as both teams are treated equally with respect to how things are or are not called.

Winners are flexible, and adjust and adapt. Losers complain that the officials were biased overall, or that the interpretation of the rules as being applied to that contest took them out of their game and that they were thereby disadvantaged.

Then they take their little balls and go home.

[dewey]

You're right on.

The rules of any officiated sport are open to interpretation at the mercy of those with the whistles. I have no beef with this, as long as both teams are treated equally with respect to how things are or are not called.

Winners are flexible, and adjust and adapt. Losers complain that the officials were biased overall, or that the interpretation of the rules as being applied to that contest took them out of their game and that they were thereby disadvantaged.

Then they take their little balls and go home.

^^^^^I agree with this. As long as it is called consistently both ways I for the most part have no problems with officiating.

Dewey

[1984]

But there are instances when officials decide game because the do not enforce penalties at written in the rule book. In those cases, and granted they are rare, the entire squad of officials should at the very least have to go back to school. Even one official on a squad could stop them and pull out the rule book to say "look this is the rule and the penalty" if all go along with the error all are wrong.