Round 1: SFA at UNI

[UNIFanSince1983]

So I thought I would start this since I hadn't seen one yet.

I don't know much about SFA this year. I know they have a great running back, but don't know much about their style or their defense. If an SFA fan could inform that would be great.

Should be a good game!

Go Panthers!!

[TheRevSFA]

Defense is sketchy, offense is good

our kicker isn't clutch.

[caribbeanhen]

I saw SFA for about a quarter vs Sammy, the RB jumps out at you with his talent...... after him, I don't recall much

[4grz]

I think UNI has got to be the favorite in this one. SFA has been hard to label this season and UNI has been on a tear the last month or so.

Northern Iowa 41
Stephen F. Austin 13

[clenz]

UNI is favored by 19.5 last line I looked at. Most computers have uni winning between 17 and 27


That makes me nervous

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[UNIFanSince1983]

Defense is sketchy, offense is good

our kicker isn't clutch.

What sort of offense do you run?

Is it a spread or more of a traditional offense?

[TheRevSFA]

[QUOTE=UNIFanSince1983;2188161]What sort of offense do you run?

Is it a spread or more of a traditional offense?[/QUOTE

youll see a lot of bubble screens and short slants. Also Gus is a beast at RB

It's not the air raid that you're used to seeing

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I think UNI would have a harder time matching up against teams that run a spread offense that can run/pass effectively.

Being at home during the playoffs will really be a benefit for the Panthers IMO. UNI's defense is pretty darn good and I think they will be able to contain the SFA offense.

Give DJ the ball and give it to him some more....repeat!

I think UNI wins this by 2-3 TDs.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Yeah that is why I wondered about the spread. I don't fear their running back if they just line it up and run it at us. If they mix it up out of the spread I do worry. The two teams that seemed to give us the most trouble with their running game in this win streak are ISUr and MoState both of which are spread teams with running QBs.

[clenz]

Yeah that is why I wondered about the spread. I don't fear their running back if they just line it up and run it at us. If they mix it up out of the spread I do worry. The two teams that seemed to give us the most trouble with their running game in this win streak are ISUr and MoState both of which are spread teams with running QBs.
Looking at the game and not just the stats would tell you ISUr didn't run all that effectively against this ONE team. Coprich managed to break 1 78 yard run on a play he was completely stuffed on (initially) and made a cut back all the way across the field .

Good vision and move on his part, but let's not act like he was running all over UNI that day. On his other 26 carries on the game he averaged 3.3 yards per carry and was under 90 yards.

His first run of the game was a 28 yard td run after Brion Carnes fumbled the first snap of the game and forced the quickest change in ncaa history .

Do of his 166 yards 106 came on 2 carries both off of turnovers.

Credit him for making them but let's not make his total performance something it wasn't

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[clenz]

MSU and their spread though… harris was dead to rights 1657 times in that game and made some amazing plays.

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[McNeese75]

The SFA QB is 6'5" or so and 230lbs. He can run and can be pretty damn accurate as well (like 20/22 against McNeese) and the receivers are above average.

They might get their doors blown off in the dome but if they get on a roll, they can give you all you want.

[TheRevSFA]

I don't think we will win this game and it's unfortunate that Gus wasn't able to flourish under a different coach earlier, but hell, any given Saturday, right?

[BEAR]

Bubble screen, pass, run and punt.

Crimp Crunk loves him some bubble. Johnson is the real deal. If Conque is on his passes and the receivers can get open he will find them. But cover the pass to the sideline that Clink Clank loves to use. But remember, bubble screen is his weapon of choice.

[clenz]

Long day for me is about to start.

My manager is getting married today in Davenport at 3.

So…

Leave my house in Marion at 1 to get to Davenport on time (90 miles southeast on the illinois border). Wedding at 3, reception starts at 4 in the church. Get food there as he promised the best food I've ever had ( his entire family is from Arkansas/Texas/Memphis so he promised true southernmost african american comfort food… real fried chicken, baked mac and cheese, chitlins, grits, collard greens, etc… I'm quite excited for that). Eat as quick as I can then drive from Davenport to Cedar Falls, 150 miles, to get to the game right at/just aftervkick off. Finally start the 70 mile trip home from cedar falls and get home about midnight


Thankfully its in the 40a and low 50s today to melt the snow and icw from the roads so doing 75-80 shouldn't be an issue

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[clenz]

Gonna be a close one

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[centennial]

Drive safe clenz

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

No problem

[clenz]

Pretty nice sunset I'm driving into[

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[Southern Bison]

There isn't much better than a good black southern meal...

AGS needs a drool emoticon.

[clenz]

There isn't much better than a good black southern meal...

AGS needs a drool emoticon.
Best meal I've ever had


Not even close

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[Cocky]

There isn't much better than a good black southern meal...

AGS needs a drool emoticon.
not just black food in the south we all eat the same menu.

[clenz]

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there goes kickoff…

Figured that 80 would have a major accident

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[clenz]

Made it to iowa city.

Still need gas

90 minutes driving and till kick

Damn

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[Southern Bison]

not just black food in the south we all eat the same menu.
Cocky, you know as well as I do that if there's a few older black ladies in the kitchen of a southern diner, it tastes a helluva lot better.

[clenz]

Cocky, you know as well as I do that if there's a few older black ladies in the kitchen of a southern diner, it tastes a helluva lot better.
This

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[clenz]

Quick stop for gas and changing out my suit.


Likely missing kickoffhttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/29/067c174ab707a8ef79ca9e374107ed3c.jpg

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[PantherRob82]

#5 for SFA has it coming. Jawing and point his fingers like a gun at Dorleant from UNI. xlolx

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Cocky, you know as well as I do that if there's a few older black ladies in the kitchen of a southern diner, it tastes a helluva lot better.


I live 1/2 the year in TX and the food is good everywhere!!

Little hole in the wall diners in the woods are the best!

[clenz]

#5 for SFA has it coming. Jawing and point his fingers like a gun at Dormant from UNI. xlolx
Makinton involved in trash talking? Shocking I tell you.

He's one of the rare guys that will talk pregame and then follow through on th field

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[McNeese75]

#5 for SFA has it coming. Jawing and point his fingers like a gun at Dormant from UNI. xlolx

He will do that crap all game (mouthy little mofo). Either UNI or the refs need to put a sock in him.

[SIUSalukiFan]

I hope the UNI coordinators bring their A game tonight and don't screw up things.

Go Panthers!

[clenz]

He will do that crap all game (mouthy little mofo). Either UNI or the refs need to put a sock in him.
Deiondre Hall will gladly take care of that

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[clenz]

On campus trying to park…. Might just make it

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[NDSU Fan]

Anyone have a link to the free stream?

[FargoBison]

That was quick! TD Johnson...73 yard run.

SFA 0
UNI 7

[gsf23nd]

well...that was fast...

[Professor Chaos]

Memo to SFA: David Johnson is really good, you might want to try at least touching him when he touches the ball.

[dwtime]

that was quite a start.......

[Drblankstare]

Thanks for playing SFA. We have some lovely parting gifts

[UNI Pike]

Hall with INT to SFA 9

[FargoBison]

Going to be a bloodbath.

[Drblankstare]

Yeah this is over

[PantherRob82]

Dang it. Only a FG.

[clenz]

Told you hall would shut them up

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[UNI Pike]

Issac Ales looks primed for a big game

[clenz]

Thanks for trying sfa.

Have a safe trip home

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[clenz]

Fumble forced and recovered by uni at the 16

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[Professor Chaos]

Wow, Conque looks completely lost out there. If you're one dimensional against UNI's defense on the road you're going to get blown out. This might end up more lopsided than Montana/San Diego.

[UNI Pike]

I say that, and Ales with fumble recovery.

[WrenFGun]

Hard to believe SFA is a playoff team, good lord; kind of felt Idaho State was better, wish they had a shot in this one. They look awful.

[dwtime]

This is ugly

[UNI Pike]

UNI offense succeeds in spite it itself, sometime at least.

[gsf23nd]

good lord...SFA sure came to play, didn't they..

[clenz]

2 straight horrible non pi calls… wow

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[FargoBison]

Hard to believe SFA is a playoff team, good lord; kind of felt Idaho State was better, wish they had a shot in this one. They look awful.

The are playing one of the five best teams in the country.

[dwtime]

Hard to believe SFA is a playoff team, good lord; kind of felt Idaho State was better, wish they had a shot in this one. They look awful.

W&M comes to mind.

[gsf23nd]

Wow, Conque looks completely lost out there. If you're one dimensional against UNI's defense on the road you're going to get blown out. This might end up more lopsided than Montana/San Diego.

UNI offense doing their best to keep it close..

[Professor Chaos]

Well, Carnes doesn't look much better but at least he's not a turnover machine.

[clenz]

UNI offense doing their best to keep it close..
Horrible non PI calls… horrible

Happened right under where I stand… horrible

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[clenz]

As proof this is my viewhttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/29/d21a10afe88cd1580d2414585b99b136.jpg

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[clenz]

Why the hell did it rotate it?

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[WrenFGun]

The are playing one of the five best teams in the country.

Agreed; but some of the things SFA is doing [awful fumble by the QB, horrible interception, terrible defense on the first play] really aren't indicative of UNI performing well, perhaps minus the run.

[McNeese75]

We figured you were lying down after that trip

[Bison56]

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Did you fall down? xlolx

[clenz]

Let's try again http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/29/13091ffa4dd31cfd390fb9d1fa5670d3.jpg

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[skinny_uncle]

Turnovers are a good way to lose to the Panthers.

[clenz]

BTW SFA looks like a JV compared to UNI in almost every way

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[clenz]

I thought kilfoy had that blocked.

Someone with replay, how close was it? From my view it had to be like a quarter inch

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[clenz]

Turnovers are a good way to lose to the Panthers.
UNI is pretty good at forcing them

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[unigriff]

UNI defense is a machine right now.

[UNI Pike]

UNI is owning the LOS on defense. Rushing only 4. SFA better figure out something real soon, or this is going to get out of hand.

[PantherRob82]

Does SFA play defense?

[clenz]

I said it on the wedge

That wr over look will really hurt teams if they pay to much attention to dj

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[clenz]

Clearly focused on DJ. Time for carnes to keep the damn ball for once

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[centennial]

This is going as expected.

[clenz]

Good thing I drove 85 the entire way from davenport to cf for sfa to not show up.


Damn

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[clenz]

That ob kick off by uni was sfas best offensive play yet

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[clenz]

Weren't people trying to convince me that their running game was good?

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[FargoBison]

Weren't people trying to convince me that their running game was good?

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Were probably people that had never watched UNI's front seven....SFA seems to have given up on the run already.

[skinny_uncle]

What is the record for FGs in the first quarter?
xcoolx

[FargoBison]

It's men vs boys.

[clenz]

Were probably people that had never watched UNI's front seven....SFA seems to have given up on the run already.
Front 7? Hell, UNI hasnt sent more than 4 yet and its complete domination

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[UNI Pike]

McMakin is salty. I am looking forward to watching him for the next two years.

[clenz]

UNI wr getting behind SFA on every play, in their backfield everyplay, just… wow.

I think Northern Colorado and Tennessee Tech gave us better games

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[clenz]

Does sfa still fake injuries with this new coach?

If one offense keeps rolling wr may see it happen

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[gsf23nd]

SFA can't handle all the northern speed...

[clenz]

Lemaster has to have shot 20 drops this year

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[clenz]

SFA can't handle all the northern speed...
DJ is from southern iowa and carnes Florida


so… southern speed

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[clenz]

SFA, you want to start trying yet?

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[clenz]

My god…. These guys beat SELA?


Wow

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[centennial]

I had this at 40-10. Guess I should have tried 60-0.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Total domination so far for UNI

[clenz]

That TD gave DJ the uni career rushing td record. He already owns the rushing yards, all purpose yard, and all purpose td records

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[Bison56]

Score?

[centennial]

Score?
23-0 UNI

[PantherRob82]

23-0

[Bison56]

23-0 UNI

Wow

[gsf23nd]

What an idiot announcer...just said that the reason the FCS is having success against FBS schools is because of all the transfers from FBS schools to FCS schools..

[NDSU Fan]

1st quarter was a complete blowout. What a shame! smh

[PantherRob82]

If Carnes would learn to put a little touch on the ball this would be 35-0.

These refs have missed a good deal of blatant calls both ways. Embarrassing.

[clenz]

First quarter stats

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[Professor Chaos]

What an idiot announcer...just said that the reason the FCS is having success against FBS schools is because of all the transfers from FBS schools to FCS schools..
That would be the wisdom of Al Groh. Look up his recent coaching record and you'll see why he's an "analyst" now.

[Bison56]

What an idiot announcer...just said that the reason the FCS is having success against FBS schools is because of all the transfers from FBS schools to FCS schools..

xconfusedx

[UNI Pike]

Carnes with a QB rating of 65.24, and we are cruising. Crazy

[clenz]

Carnes with a QB rating of 65.24, and we are cruising. Crazy
The coaches should really let carnes keep it on the zone plays. The entire field is wide open

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[UNI Pike]

Why the **** are we attempting any passes at this point?

[clenz]

Why the **** are we attempting any passes at this point?
Bill Salmon, that's why

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[clenz]

God Johnson really should have about 4 unspirtsmanlike flags thrown on him at this point

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[centennial]

This is turning into a fight.. very MVFC.

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TD!

[UNI Pike]

UNI is leaving way too many points on the field.

[clenz]

This is turning into a fight.. very MVFC.
Once Salmon figures out its too early to go full conservative on playcalling we will be fine….


Better make that if he figures out

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[PantherRob82]

Frustrating to watch our offense.

[thebootfitter]

Nice run, SFA.

[centennial]

Hopefully UNI is not pulling a UNI again.

[FargoBison]

At least your OC remembered that you still have David Johnson.

[centennial]

And as I say this they score.

[SIUSalukiFan]

I knew the coordinators would **** things up for UNI. :p

[clenz]

Someone make those juke moves into a gif.

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[underdawg]

Frustrating to watch our offense.

I know UNI fans on here will hate me for saying this But put Sawyer Kollmorgan back in--couldn't be worse than this guy

[Milktruck74]

If SFA could tackle this might be a different game...they are doing what they can to make UNI look AWESOME!

[unigriff]

and another game where our defense is on the field way more than our offense...even in a 30-7 affair.

[clenz]

I know UNI fans on here will hate me for saying this But put Sawyer Kollmorgan back in--couldn't be worse than this guy
I don't.

If Carnes isn't going to run then we need a qb that can throw

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[thebootfitter]

UNI answers with David Johnson. What a run! 30-7.

[BEAR]

Told you SFA was no problem. We beat them and we had one of the worst defenses in the nation. If you don't outscore them by 50+, I will be shocked!

[UNI Pike]

SFA QB has something not good going on with his right shoulder (throwing shoulder).

[gsf23nd]

some more Al wisdom.."they weren't trying to get a first down on that screen..they were just trying to make it shorter for the 4th down try.."

[FargoBison]

Farely is nuts for keeping Johnson in the game. He is in for a war next week, keep him on the sideline.

[clenz]

Farely is nuts for keeping Johnson in the game. He is in for a war next week, keep him on the sideline.
He'll see 1, maybe 2, second half drives to see how the half starts.

Kollmorgen should see good IT, even if spent handong off to Miller and Hill

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[clenz]

As dumb as this is going to sound, DJ had too many carries that half. D was clearly focused on him and Salmon refused to let Carnes pull it and take the edge. He would have close to 100 yards if he had kept a couple of those

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[clenz]

Halftime stats…

Brion has completed 2 passes…. 2

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[PantherRob82]

I know UNI fans on here will hate me for saying this But put Sawyer Kollmorgan back in--couldn't be worse than this guy

I totally agree.

[PantherRob82]

As dumb as this is going to sound, DJ had too many carries that half. D was clearly focused on him and Salmon refused to let Carnes pull it and take the edge. He would have close to 100 yards if he had kept a couple of those

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That's what I said. If they were letting Carnes read it wouldn't be an issue. He would have saved DJ a lot of punishment.

[Professor Chaos]

Wacky first half passing stats. UNI has completed 2 passes for 128 yards. SFA has completed 11 passes for 77 yards.

[clenz]

That's what I said. If they were letting Carnes read it wouldn't be an issue. He would have saved DJ a lot of punishment.
They don't -wont let him read. The basis for UNIs zone option look is it isn't an option. Never was. It wasnt with Rennie either but he didn't give a damn and took it anyway.



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[PantherRob82]

They don't -wont let him read. The basis for UNIs zone option look is it isn't an option. Never was. It wasnt with Rennie either but he didn't give a damn and took it anyway.



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Smart kid. Carnes would probably be over 100 yards right now.

[UNI Pike]

I would say run the wildcat the rest of the game.

[JayJ79]

I know UNI fans on here will hate me for saying this But put Sawyer Kollmorgan back in--couldn't be worse than this guy

only if you wanna throw some INTs to SFA

[clenz]

Smart kid. Carnes would probably be over 100 yards right now.
Easily.

The first play after the sfa punt was downed at the 4 was a run to dj, had brion kept it there was zero players on the wide side of the field… zero

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[clenz]

Sfa did their he stretch routine at half… zero energy in it

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[unigriff]

Carnes seems to be good one game, bad the next....or maybe it just feels that way. So hopefully if we are playing next week he'll have a gooooood game.

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saw your lazy butt on tv clenz :) jk. Good seats!

[clenz]

Carnes seems to be good one game, bad the next....or maybe it just feels that way. So hopefully if we are playing next week he'll have a gooooood game.

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saw your lazy butt on tv clenz :) jk. Good seats!
Never use the word good when talking about carnes qb play

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[clenz]

Servicable us as good as it gets with him

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[clenz]

SFA is really, really, chippy at the end of plays.

Honestly should have 5 or 7 unsportsmanlike flags

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[unigriff]

"plays near average" at best at times :)

[clenz]

"plays near average" at best at times :)
Servicable

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[clenz]

I forgot how boring playoff games are. Wow.

Stupid ncaa

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[clenz]

Again.. Let brion keep the damn ball

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[clenz]

Barnes has less than zero touch on his passes

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[PantherRob82]

How was a senior in college never learned to take something off his passes?

[clenz]

I think that might be game

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[clenz]

With a stop here UNIs first team o would likely be pulled

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[Bison Fan in NW MN]

What an ass-whippin.

Pull DJ!!

[clenz]

How was a senior in college never learned to take something off his passes?
He was coach by Palinni at Nebraska and Verduzco at UNI…. So…

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[PantherRob82]

With a stop here UNIs first team o would likely be pulled

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I hope so. I wouldn't like our chances against the Redbirds without Johnson.

[clenz]

I hope so. I wouldn't like our chances against the Redbirds without Johnson.
DJ is probably done regardless

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[FargoBison]

Yeah, Farely might want to have Johnson put into a protective bubble. Not sure there is a player more valuable to his team than Johnson outside of perhaps Vernon Adams.

[clenz]

A holding call would nice… damn

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[clenz]

Why is dj back out there

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[PantherRob82]

Well, Johnson is still in. That is ridiculous.

[UNI Pike]

The Fish's plan to protect DJ - 3 and out. Wash, rinse and repeat.

[clenz]

I said it after the sdsu game, I don't care how the season finishes I want an all new offensive staff next year

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[FargoBison]

Farely playing with fire when he doesn't have to.

[McNeese75]

Well, Johnson is still in. That is ridiculous.

Farley's IQ is showing with keeping him in at this point.

[thebootfitter]

What the hell was that comment about from Al?

"There's no such thing as a defending champion"?

[clenz]

Why… what the ****

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[PantherRob82]

WTF. Take him out.

[UNI Pike]

All the offensive starters are back out again. F******* ridiculous.

[FargoBison]

Johnson still in....Just crazy.

[PantherRob82]

Clenz, come over and yell at Farley.

[PantherRob82]

Finally. He better be done.

[clenz]

Clenz, come over and yell at Farley.
If I see them in this quarter I might.

****ing stupid

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[centennial]

I've seen Johnson limping a little 3 times. There is no reason to overuse your best weapon. Especially since he is a good part of the O.

[unigriff]

I've seen Johnson limping a little 3 times. There is no reason to overuse your best weapon. Especially since he is the O.

i fixed it for you.

He's been dinged up a bit the last 3-4 weeks. Hip pointers I think. His work ethic is pretty dang unbelievable tho and he'll be ready for any game. He'd have to have 3 broken legs and fractured skull to sit out.

[clenz]

Let's put it this way with Carnes… Pelini figured out he wasn't a qb and moved him....

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[clenz]

All starters minus dj out there.

Rob, where you at? I have some yelling to do and want you as backup

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[centennial]

UNI is just asking for Johnson to get injured.

[THE HERD]

Do ya think the Redbirds spent even five minutes on SFA? I doubt it.

[clenz]

And defensive starters headed out.

The ****?


Its not like we are even trying anymore, why are the starters still out there?

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[PantherRob82]

E, row 10. I see you. xlolx

[unigriff]

Put Kollmorgen in and see how many overthrows he can have

[clenz]

E, row 10. I see you. xlolx
I'm not hard to miss

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[PantherRob82]

Johnson again.....

[clenz]

God damn ones on the field again.


Stupid ****s

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[clenz]

Is this unedited nelly over the PA?

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[PantherRob82]

Put Kollmorgen in and see how many overthrows he can have


That's more of Carnes specialty.

[unigriff]

SFA is not good. The Southland is not good. Long Live the Valley :)

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That's more of Carnes specialty.

Not true. Carnes typically under passes. But a good contest would be Carnes wobbly throws vs. Kollmogren overthrows. That would be a close heat..Think Carnes would win that one.

[Panther-State]

Clearly we had it planned all night to wait this long before letting Carnes keep it. No chance of stopping him there. No one knew he had it until the TD was called

[THE HERD]

Servicable us as good as it gets with him

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Why don't they start Kollmorgen, continue to give DJ the ball about 25 times a game and throw in a little wildcat package for Carnes? Do most UNI fans want Carnes starting? You guys didn't go on this winning streak because of Carnes.....it's because your O coordinator finally started giving DJ the ball and it wasn't because he was that smart it was cuz Carnes can't throw the ball and he was doing it out of necessity.

[unigriff]

Well it might be out of superstition now. Carnes is undefeated for us as a starter.

[clenz]

Why don't they start Kollmorgen, continue to give DJ the ball about 25 times a game and throw in a little wildcat package for Carnes? Do most UNI fans want Carnes starting? You guys didn't go on this winning streak because of Carnes.....it's because your O coordinator finally started giving DJ the ball and it wasn't because he was that smart it was cuz Carnes can't throw the ball and he was doing it out of necessity.
I'll answer this when I'm home on a computer and not a phone. Remind me later

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[Bisonator]

Congrats Panthers!

[unigriff]

5 MVFC in the Sweet 16. Here's to 3 in the Quarters!

[nmatsen]

5 MVFC in the Sweet 16. Here's to 3 in the Quarters!

thats all up to Indiana State, we are assured of two in the Quarters with our game at Illinois State and the XDSU showdown....

[TheRevSFA]

Congrats panthers! I'll be cheering for you the rest of the way

[PantherRob82]

SFA is not good. The Southland is not good. Long Live the Valley :)

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Not true. Carnes typically under passes. But a good contest would be Carnes wobbly throws vs. Kollmogren overthrows. That would be a close heat..Think Carnes would win that one.

Do you even watch games? Carnes throws high and hard with no touch. Yes he under passes at times, but as a rule he overthrows his receivers.

[PantherRob82]

Congrats panthers! I'll be cheering for you the rest of the way

Wish you could have come up, Rev, although I'm sure you're glad you didn't. Ran into one Jack fan from Dallas at halftime. He wasn't too chatty, but can't say I blame him.

[SIUSalukiFan]

If Carnes would learn to put a little touch on the ball this would be 35-0.

These refs have missed a good deal of blatant calls both ways. Embarrassing.

What's really embarrassing is you complaining about the officiating with your team up 30-7.

That being said, great job UNI!

[PantherRob82]

What's really embarrassing is you complaining about the officiating with your team up 30-7.

That being said, great job UNI!

What else is there to do when the game isn't competitive? xlolx

It's not like I said we were getting jobbed.

[TheRevSFA]

Wish you could have come up, Rev, although I'm sure you're glad you didn't. Ran into one Jack fan from Dallas at halftime. He wasn't too chatty, but can't say I blame him.

Next time for sure.

Congrats again. I'll definitely be in frisco should you make it

[PantherRob82]

Next time for sure.

Congrats again. I'll definitely be in frisco should you make it

Can't wait until I can go every year, even if we don't make it.

[SIUSalukiFan]

What else is there to do when the game isn't competitive? xlolx

It's not like I said we were getting jobbed.

Just enjoy the victory and forget about the officials. Great win!!!

[clenz]

Why don't they start Kollmorgen, continue to give DJ the ball about 25 times a game and throw in a little wildcat package for Carnes? Do most UNI fans want Carnes starting? You guys didn't go on this winning streak because of Carnes.....it's because your O coordinator finally started giving DJ the ball and it wasn't because he was that smart it was cuz Carnes can't throw the ball and he was doing it out of necessity.

Okay, I said I'd answer when I got to a computer and here it is.

I'll steal a post I made Friday (I think) on the "Best QB in the MVFC" thread and then expand on it a little at the end. (keep in mind when looking at the stats I posted that Brion went 5-18 against SFA...)


The fact of the matter with Brion getting the PT this year is simple...

He was brought in from Nebraska and likely promised a lot of PT. He got decent PT last year as a RB/WR/KR/QB. He thinks, however, that he is a pocket passer. I've talked with guys who were on the team with him last year. It's also why he doesn't tuck the ball and run. He thinks he is a Peyton Manning/Tom Brady style QB (note---not at their level but that type). He completely ignores his speed and wants to beat people through the air. Well, the pressure to play him from the second he stepped on campus was strong, and likely stronger coming into this season since he was the starter at the end of the season last year due to Sawyer's 2 concussions.

Sawyer wasn't chosen as the starter until the Friday before the Iowa game (I believe). They never put full confidence in Sawyer this season (even though he's done nothing to prove he shouldn't have it.). We all know how bad the play calling the first 7 games of the season were (SDSU and before) and how bad the offense looked - no matter if Carnes or Sawyer were on the field. The coaches needed a scape goat to blame that deflected as much attention away from them as possible. What's the best way for an offensive staff to do this? Blame the starting QB, put the back up in, and actually start giving your best player the damn ball.

At this point the argument is - "Brion is 8-0 as a starter at UNI, he HAS to play". I don't disagree, per say, but there is a MAJOR flaw in that argument that is completely obvious to anyone who has watched UNI this season...David Johnson

In games Sawyer started this year DJ had games of 13, 18, 18, 14, 24, 14, and 9 carries

In games Brion has started DJ has had games of 29, 29, 28, 19, and 31 carries.

Yep...DJ had as many 20 carry games with Sawyer starting as he has had less than 20 with Brion.

In 5 games with Brion he has had 136 carries - or 26 more than he did in 7 games with Sawyer starting.

If you don't think UNI doesn't win these last 5 games with Sawyer back there compared to Brion with DJ playing the games he did then you're nuts.

Oh, not just that, the OC has also completely changed the play calling now. With Sawyer it was all 15 plus yards down-field to the sideline. With Brion now it's all less than 10 yards and inside the numbers. All high % passes and he still completes less than 50% of them and has been bailed out by amazing catches a couple times.

The real, real, kicker of that kind of play calling - in 2010 and 2011 we had Tirrell Rennie. He was essentially Brion Carnes but a hell of a lot better at throwing (even though everyone thought he couldn't throw) and a hell of a lot better at running and guess what plays were called for him? 15 plus yard sideline routes. Had the coaches figured out how to run a spread, quick it, triple option look like they are with Brion right now with Rennie UNI would have had a very different 2010 and 2011 season.

Here are the season stats for both QBs




GP
GS
Comp
Att
Comp %
Yds
TD
INT
Eff


Sawyer
8
7
93
182
51.1
1,401
11
5
130.2


Brion
10
5
82
168
48.8
941
5
5
99.7



In the 8th game Sawyer played (Missouri State the last week of the season) he played 2 plays after Brion went off with an injury on a cheap shot. Both hand offs to DJ which resulted in a TD. He was cheered wildly by the fans when he came on the field....the fans were very "meh" when Carnes came back. The fans love the winning, but most realize Sawyer is still the better QB.

Now here's the really fun part - Brion isn't back next year and Sawyer is. The coaches better hope that Sawyer is one of the mentally strongest QBs in the nation if they want to use him for his red-shirt senior season. He went from unchallenged starter his entire freshman year to watching this transfer come in and start taking his snaps, to the coaches not sure which one should start, to completely losing his job all while putting up better stats. Gee, I wonder what that will do to a QBs psyche?

If Sawyer isn't 100% put in charge of the team by the coaches from the first day of spring ball they might as well not even play him and find one of the rFr or rSo we will have and ride them for the next couple years - or until they bring in a transfer that can't play a real QB and try to force him into the starting job. I hope Sawyer gets what he deserves from this coaching staff next season, we are sure as hell going to need it - losing DJ, top 3 WR, top 2 DT on defense...next year could be ugly if we don't get the QB spot squared away

To be fair, the offense that I've seen the last 2 or 3 weeks is nice to see. Jet sweeps, WR screens, slants, triple option, etc... but the offense is still pretty anemic and too reliant on DJ. Should anything happen to DJ we might as well just punt of first down and hope the defense scores 21 points again.

To add to this now:

Brion took every single snap against SFA....every...single...snap. Sawyer didn't get one. Not one damn snap. Why? Who the **** actually knows. Well, I do (thanks to some very nice sources). Here's the deal - I've said before (including the above quote) that Sawyer was given a raw deal and just looks completely uninterested on the field during warm ups, on the sideline, just everywhere. Well, I learned some things yesterday that explain it to much greater detail than I guessed. To put it shortly - Sawyer has a bad case of "beaten dog syndrome" right now.The offense (as I said above) needed a fall guy early and Sawyer was that guy. He was bench and in meetings/practice/film study OC Salmon and QB Coach Verduzco apparently just chew his ass over everything non-stop. Sawyer literally can't win with them anymore. On the flip side, Brion has the sun shining out of his ass according to the coaches. If you were Sawyer how would you react? This tells me that Sawyer likely isn't starting for UNI next year either. That's a god damn shame and the offensive staff will have ****ed him out of a GREAT career. If Sawyer didn't want to coach as bad as he does I promise you he wouldn't be on the team next season.

I've said that UNI better hope Sawyer can overcome that mental block, hope that one of the freshman/sophomores is really good, or we get real lucky on a transfer. Well, rumor has it we might be getting real lucky on a transfer....apparently CJ Bethard from Iowa is looking at transfering from Iowa to UNI because he is getting the Kollmorgen treatment behind Jake Ruddock at Iowa. I won't get too excited about him, because he could really be the "back up is always the most popular guy on the team" treatment from Iowa fans. However, even the staunchest Iowa haters (much like me) that I know claim he is the real deal, so who knows.


Anyway, back on topic a little.

You are exactly right. We aren't winning because of Brion. We are winning in spite of Brion. DJ is the reason UNI is winning right now. DJ had another 25 carries Saturday. That now means in 6 games with Brion starting DJ has 151 carries...he had 110 in 7 games that Sawyer started.

How do the fans feel? Well, winning solves a lot I guess. The stat Carnes lovers point out most is that he is 9-0 as a starter now. I'll grant that is damn impressive. Let's look at that a little deeper....

2013
Youngstown State - actually played well this game 18-30 passing and 17 carries for 74 yards. DJ didn't play. Decent win
Missouri State (5-7 overall record) - DJ played....167 yards rushing on 37 carries for DJ
Western Illinois (4-8 overall record) - DJ had 156 yards on 28 carries. Carnes was 4-12 passing

2014:
WIU (bad team) - 29 carries 146 yards for DJ. Probably Carnes best day throwing at 19-33 210 yards
Illinois State - 29 for 129 for DJ. Carnes was 10-30 for 117 yards with 2 picks...defense/special teams scored as many points as the offense that day including a 98 yard KO return TD by DJ(21)
North Dakota State - 28 for 138 for DJ. Brion was 7-19 for 93 yards (DJ had 36 of those receiving). NDSU had 176 yards of offense
Southern Illinois (5-6 D1 team) - 19 for 93 for DJ. Brion was 18-28 for 169...not bad. Defense/special teams against scored 21
Missouri State (1-7 in MVFC play) - 31 carries 205 yards for DJ. Brion was 11-19 for 169. Nice day for Brion...but still not good

Again, in spite not because of Brion


I guess wins are wins, but at what point does Brion cost UNI the game because we need a quick score through the air and DJ isn't going to break 70 yard TD catches all the time.

The fans want Sawyer. When he came in for 2 plays against Missouri State it was almost as loud as the dome was that entire day. Again though, winning solves a lot. At first the UNI fans thought Brion was great. The shine is wearing off and there is growing unrest with putting the game in his hands.

You could say "Well, he gives UNI a run threat". There's a couple issues with that. He doesn't run (by design or choice) and the fact he can't pass means he isn't a dual threat QB.

If he would pull the ball (he is told not too) on the zone plays to DJ he could have 100 yards a week rushing (or DJ would double his output because teams would have to respect Brion pulling it). There was a play right after a SFA punt in this game that is a perfect example of that. In this thread I posted a picture of my view for every UNI game. The punt was down at the 4 yard line - right in front of me. The first play was a shot gun zone give to DJ to the left (short side of the field as the ball was on the left hash). 10 guys followed DJ. Had Brion pulled it there was 1 guy to beat who was absolutely locked up by the wideside WR. Brion would have been gone for 96 with no one ever getting within 30 yards of him. I'm not exagerating on that one. The one time Brion kept the ball it was a 22 yard TD run where no one was within 20 yards of him.


I don't know why I'm still fighting this fight. I lost this war weeks ago, but much like the South, I refuse to stop thinking I'm right.

I firmly believe UNI is on the same streak with Kollmorgen starting and DJ getting the same carries.


I don't know if I anwered you post or not...and I apologize for the novella I wrote (almost full novel). I'll stop now I guess.

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Also, yes. I did just write 2,022 words about the UNI QB situation after UNI got it's largest MOV in playoff history and is on a 6 game win streak.....


I think I need a hobby

[PantherRob82]

Amen. They screwed Kollmorgen.

[clenz]

Amen. They screwed Kollmorgen.

I will promise you he is gone next year the more I think about it.

The Beathard rumors, the way that Sawyer has been treated, he only has a year left...


I would put a lot of money on him at a D2 in Kansas/Missouri/Oklahoma next year

[PantherRob82]

I will promise you he is gone next year the more I think about it.

The Beathard rumors, the way that Sawyer has been treated, he only has a year left...


I would put a lot of money on him at a D2 in Kansas/Missouri/Oklahoma next year

Bummer.

[unigriff]

What else is there to do when the game isn't competitive? xlolx

It's not like I said we were getting jobbed.

really Rob, you're going to argue over my scouting? I've seen every game and scout every team I watch. It is part of my job afterall. I know you are too lazy to do it but got back and watch EVERY game in Brion Carnes' career. Majorily underthrown AND/OR bullets/wobbles. I'd say its a close 1.67/1 ratio on the underthrows. I mean we can all agree he sucks on throwing but you are just bitching to be an ass in the first place. Grow up.

[PantherRob82]

really Rob, you're going to argue over my scouting? I've seen every game and scout every team I watch. It is part of my job afterall. I know you are too lazy to do it but got back and watch EVERY game in Brion Carnes' career. Majorily underthrown AND/OR bullets/wobbles. I'd say its a close 1.67/1 ratio on the underthrows. I mean we can all agree he sucks on throwing but you are just bitching to be an ass in the first place. Grow up.

Stop being such a pussy, griff.

You're getting **** on because you are a liar and you got called on it. Your actual opinion apparently wasn't enough for you to stand on.

He throws bullets over his WRs all the time. I'm sure clenz could put together a nice spreadsheet of underthrows vs overthrows to prove you wrong.

He maybe had 1 under throw on Saturday vs 6+ overthrows.

You have no clue on this one. Guys who throw too hard with no touch don't typically under throw their WRs.

Stop making **** up and back up your statements. I've never been an ass to anyone on this site but you, and it's because YOU need to grow up. I won't cite all my evidence, because I don't think you deserve that. Just stop being a bitch on message boards. Share your opinion and don't make **** up and act like you are an expert.

[clenz]

Stop being such a pussy, griff.

You're getting **** on because you are a liar and you got called on it. Your actual opinion apparently wasn't enough for you to stand on.

He throws bullets over his WRs all the time. I'm sure clenz could put together a nice spreadsheet of underthrows vs overthrows to prove you wrong.

He maybe had 1 under throw on Saturday vs 6+ overthrows.

You have no clue on this one. Guys who throw too hard with no touch don't typically under throw their WRs.

Stop making **** up and back up your statements. I've never been an ass to anyone on this site but you, and it's because YOU need to grow up. I won't cite all my evidence, because I don't think you deserve that. Just stop being a bitch on message boards. Share your opinion and don't make **** up and act like you are an expert.
I'm not sure the bolded part is a compliment or not....xlolx


The fact is Carnes has zero touch on his balls....zero. None. Zilch. Nada. Niet. Rei.

Carnes underthrew guys when he was being forced to throw the ball 25 yards down field. He hasn't been asked to do that in weeks now and he hasn't under thrown a guy in that time.

His passes are always over the heads of the WR...always. The number of times DJ, Chad Owens, Lemaster have bailed him out are just freaking stupid.

To Brions credit the passes are no longer 10 feet over the WR head, he's worked his way to about 2 feet over their heads or in front of them. If he took some zip off the ball they might be caught as it would give the WR time to make an adjustment to it. But again, zero touch on his passes.

He did almost under thrown Lehman on that 58 yard pass yesterday though. Lehman bailed him out and picked that ball off his ankles. Had he hit him in stride he's likely gone for a TD rather than caught at the 11ish yard line.


Dude...you're job to scout? How about you actually post a link to your ****ing team. We all know you name. We all know what district you were in the last couple years. We've already found your coaching page from that district showing you did 2nd through 7th grade sports. Link your team. We all know Rob's coaching experience. We all know mine.


Or, do you "scout" teams because you have a ton of time on your hands since you're a ****ing wedding DJ and have time to kill during the week?

Don't be a douche to us and say stupid **** and make **** up and we don't do it to you

[Houndawg]

Now ladies....

[Houndawg]

Okay, I said I'd answer when I got to a computer and here it is.

I'll steal a post I made Friday (I think) on the "Best QB in the MVFC" thread and then expand on it a little at the end. (keep in mind when looking at the stats I posted that Brion went 5-18 against SFA...)



To add to this now:

Brion took every single snap against SFA....every...single...snap. Sawyer didn't get one. Not one damn snap. Why? Who the **** actually knows. Well, I do (thanks to some very nice sources). Here's the deal - I've said before (including the above quote) that Sawyer was given a raw deal and just looks completely uninterested on the field during warm ups, on the sideline, just everywhere. Well, I learned some things yesterday that explain it to much greater detail than I guessed. To put it shortly - Sawyer has a bad case of "beaten dog syndrome" right now.The offense (as I said above) needed a fall guy early and Sawyer was that guy. He was bench and in meetings/practice/film study OC Salmon and QB Coach Verduzco apparently just chew his ass over everything non-stop. Sawyer literally can't win with them anymore. On the flip side, Brion has the sun shining out of his ass according to the coaches. If you were Sawyer how would you react? This tells me that Sawyer likely isn't starting for UNI next year either. That's a god damn shame and the offensive staff will have ****ed him out of a GREAT career. If Sawyer didn't want to coach as bad as he does I promise you he wouldn't be on the team next season.

I've said that UNI better hope Sawyer can overcome that mental block, hope that one of the freshman/sophomores is really good, or we get real lucky on a transfer. Well, rumor has it we might be getting real lucky on a transfer....apparently CJ Bethard from Iowa is looking at transfering from Iowa to UNI because he is getting the Kollmorgen treatment behind Jake Ruddock at Iowa. I won't get too excited about him, because he could really be the "back up is always the most popular guy on the team" treatment from Iowa fans. However, even the staunchest Iowa haters (much like me) that I know claim he is the real deal, so who knows.


Anyway, back on topic a little.

You are exactly right. We aren't winning because of Brion. We are winning in spite of Brion. DJ is the reason UNI is winning right now. DJ had another 25 carries Saturday. That now means in 6 games with Brion starting DJ has 151 carries...he had 110 in 7 games that Sawyer started.

How do the fans feel? Well, winning solves a lot I guess. The stat Carnes lovers point out most is that he is 9-0 as a starter now. I'll grant that is damn impressive. Let's look at that a little deeper....

2013
Youngstown State - actually played well this game 18-30 passing and 17 carries for 74 yards. DJ didn't play. Decent win
Missouri State (5-7 overall record) - DJ played....167 yards rushing on 37 carries for DJ
Western Illinois (4-8 overall record) - DJ had 156 yards on 28 carries. Carnes was 4-12 passing

2014:
WIU (bad team) - 29 carries 146 yards for DJ. Probably Carnes best day throwing at 19-33 210 yards
Illinois State - 29 for 129 for DJ. Carnes was 10-30 for 117 yards with 2 picks...defense/special teams scored as many points as the offense that day including a 98 yard KO return TD by DJ(21)
North Dakota State - 28 for 138 for DJ. Brion was 7-19 for 93 yards (DJ had 36 of those receiving). NDSU had 176 yards of offense
Southern Illinois (5-6 D1 team) - 19 for 93 for DJ. Brion was 18-28 for 169...not bad. Defense/special teams against scored 21
Missouri State (1-7 in MVFC play) - 31 carries 205 yards for DJ. Brion was 11-19 for 169. Nice day for Brion...but still not good

Again, in spite not because of Brion


I guess wins are wins, but at what point does Brion cost UNI the game because we need a quick score through the air and DJ isn't going to break 70 yard TD catches all the time.

The fans want Sawyer. When he came in for 2 plays against Missouri State it was almost as loud as the dome was that entire day. Again though, winning solves a lot. At first the UNI fans thought Brion was great. The shine is wearing off and there is growing unrest with putting the game in his hands.

You could say "Well, he gives UNI a run threat". There's a couple issues with that. He doesn't run (by design or choice) and the fact he can't pass means he isn't a dual threat QB.

If he would pull the ball (he is told not too) on the zone plays to DJ he could have 100 yards a week rushing (or DJ would double his output because teams would have to respect Brion pulling it). There was a play right after a SFA punt in this game that is a perfect example of that. In this thread I posted a picture of my view for every UNI game. The punt was down at the 4 yard line - right in front of me. The first play was a shot gun zone give to DJ to the left (short side of the field as the ball was on the left hash). 10 guys followed DJ. Had Brion pulled it there was 1 guy to beat who was absolutely locked up by the wideside WR. Brion would have been gone for 96 with no one ever getting within 30 yards of him. I'm not exagerating on that one. The one time Brion kept the ball it was a 22 yard TD run where no one was within 20 yards of him.


I don't know why I'm still fighting this fight. I lost this war weeks ago, but much like the South, I refuse to stop thinking I'm right.

I firmly believe UNI is on the same streak with Kollmorgen starting and DJ getting the same carries.


I don't know if I anwered you post or not...and I apologize for the novella I wrote (almost full novel). I'll stop now I guess.

- - - Updated - - -

Also, yes. I did just write 2,022 words about the UNI QB situation after UNI got it's largest MOV in playoff history and is on a 6 game win streak.....


I think I need a hobby

Pretty good except for the part about Rennie could throw. I watched him in person let loose a hail Mary that traveled maybe​ 45 yards.

[Houndawg]

Okay, I said I'd answer when I got to a computer and here it is.

I'll steal a post I made Friday (I think) on the "Best QB in the MVFC" thread and then expand on it a little at the end. (keep in mind when looking at the stats I posted that Brion went 5-18 against SFA...)



To add to this now:

Brion took every single snap against SFA....every...single...snap. Sawyer didn't get one. Not one damn snap. Why? Who the **** actually knows. Well, I do (thanks to some very nice sources). Here's the deal - I've said before (including the above quote) that Sawyer was given a raw deal and just looks completely uninterested on the field during warm ups, on the sideline, just everywhere. Well, I learned some things yesterday that explain it to much greater detail than I guessed. To put it shortly - Sawyer has a bad case of "beaten dog syndrome" right now.The offense (as I said above) needed a fall guy early and Sawyer was that guy. He was bench and in meetings/practice/film study OC Salmon and QB Coach Verduzco apparently just chew his ass over everything non-stop. Sawyer literally can't win with them anymore. On the flip side, Brion has the sun shining out of his ass according to the coaches. If you were Sawyer how would you react? This tells me that Sawyer likely isn't starting for UNI next year either. That's a god damn shame and the offensive staff will have ****ed him out of a GREAT career. If Sawyer didn't want to coach as bad as he does I promise you he wouldn't be on the team next season.

I've said that UNI better hope Sawyer can overcome that mental block, hope that one of the freshman/sophomores is really good, or we get real lucky on a transfer. Well, rumor has it we might be getting real lucky on a transfer....apparently CJ Bethard from Iowa is looking at transfering from Iowa to UNI because he is getting the Kollmorgen treatment behind Jake Ruddock at Iowa. I won't get too excited about him, because he could really be the "back up is always the most popular guy on the team" treatment from Iowa fans. However, even the staunchest Iowa haters (much like me) that I know claim he is the real deal, so who knows.


Anyway, back on topic a little.

You are exactly right. We aren't winning because of Brion. We are winning in spite of Brion. DJ is the reason UNI is winning right now. DJ had another 25 carries Saturday. That now means in 6 games with Brion starting DJ has 151 carries...he had 110 in 7 games that Sawyer started.

How do the fans feel? Well, winning solves a lot I guess. The stat Carnes lovers point out most is that he is 9-0 as a starter now. I'll grant that is damn impressive. Let's look at that a little deeper....

2013
Youngstown State - actually played well this game 18-30 passing and 17 carries for 74 yards. DJ didn't play. Decent win
Missouri State (5-7 overall record) - DJ played....167 yards rushing on 37 carries for DJ
Western Illinois (4-8 overall record) - DJ had 156 yards on 28 carries. Carnes was 4-12 passing

2014:
WIU (bad team) - 29 carries 146 yards for DJ. Probably Carnes best day throwing at 19-33 210 yards
Illinois State - 29 for 129 for DJ. Carnes was 10-30 for 117 yards with 2 picks...defense/special teams scored as many points as the offense that day including a 98 yard KO return TD by DJ(21)
North Dakota State - 28 for 138 for DJ. Brion was 7-19 for 93 yards (DJ had 36 of those receiving). NDSU had 176 yards of offense
Southern Illinois (5-6 D1 team) - 19 for 93 for DJ. Brion was 18-28 for 169...not bad. Defense/special teams against scored 21
Missouri State (1-7 in MVFC play) - 31 carries 205 yards for DJ. Brion was 11-19 for 169. Nice day for Brion...but still not good

Again, in spite not because of Brion


I guess wins are wins, but at what point does Brion cost UNI the game because we need a quick score through the air and DJ isn't going to break 70 yard TD catches all the time.

The fans want Sawyer. When he came in for 2 plays against Missouri State it was almost as loud as the dome was that entire day. Again though, winning solves a lot. At first the UNI fans thought Brion was great. The shine is wearing off and there is growing unrest with putting the game in his hands.

You could say "Well, he gives UNI a run threat". There's a couple issues with that. He doesn't run (by design or choice) and the fact he can't pass means he isn't a dual threat QB.

If he would pull the ball (he is told not too) on the zone plays to DJ he could have 100 yards a week rushing (or DJ would double his output because teams would have to respect Brion pulling it). There was a play right after a SFA punt in this game that is a perfect example of that. In this thread I posted a picture of my view for every UNI game. The punt was down at the 4 yard line - right in front of me. The first play was a shot gun zone give to DJ to the left (short side of the field as the ball was on the left hash). 10 guys followed DJ. Had Brion pulled it there was 1 guy to beat who was absolutely locked up by the wideside WR. Brion would have been gone for 96 with no one ever getting within 30 yards of him. I'm not exagerating on that one. The one time Brion kept the ball it was a 22 yard TD run where no one was within 20 yards of him.


I don't know why I'm still fighting this fight. I lost this war weeks ago, but much like the South, I refuse to stop thinking I'm right.

I firmly believe UNI is on the same streak with Kollmorgen starting and DJ getting the same carries.


I don't know if I anwered you post or not...and I apologize for the novella I wrote (almost full novel). I'll stop now I guess.

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Also, yes. I did just write 2,022 words about the UNI QB situation after UNI got it's largest MOV in playoff history and is on a 6 game win streak.....


I think I need a hobby

BS Rennie could throw. I saw him uncork a hail Mary that traveled maybe 45 yards.

UNI wins this week. Best thing that happened for them was not getting a bye when they're catching fire.

[ValleyChamp]

Amen. They screwed Kollmorgen.

I like Sawyer as much as anyone, but this is BS. We were 3-4 with him as a starter and he played awful in those games. So we tried the other guy and haven't even come close to losing since. We've been the best team in the country for 7 weeks.

Nobody screwed anybody. It sucks for Sawyer, but sports are cruel sometimes.

[uni88]

Haven't had the chance to watch a lot of UNI games but from the NDSU game alone, I definitely agree with Clenz that they need to run Carnes out of the read-option more. NDSU's defense was able to slow DJ down early but had a tougher time after Carnes faked it to DJ and went to the outside a couple of times. It froze a couple of defenders once they had to start respecting Carnes' ability to run the ball. On the flip side, when Carnes tried to run without the fake, NDSU was too disciplined and completely stuffed him. If UNI is going to play Carnes then they need to have him fake the handoff to DJ occasionally to open up the defense.

[clenz]

Pretty good except for the part about Rennie could throw. I watched him in person let loose a hail Mary that traveled maybe​ 45 yards.
He couldn't throw the ball deep, but he was more than serviceable as a qb.

Career
238-413 (57.6%)
3,345 yards
22 TD
15 INT (14-4 as a senior)

to along with
411 carries
2,176 yards (5.3 YPC)
24 TD

over 5,500 career yards and 46 career TDs.


Compare that to Brion's stats

[clenz]

Haven't had the chance to watch a lot of UNI games but from the NDSU game alone, I definitely agree with Clenz that they need to run Carnes out of the read-option more. NDSU's defense was able to slow DJ down early but had a tougher time after Carnes faked it to DJ and went to the outside a couple of times. It froze a couple of defenders once they had to start respecting Carnes' ability to run the ball. On the flip side, when Carnes tried to run without the fake, NDSU was too disciplined and completely stuffed him. If UNI is going to play Carnes then they need to have him fake the handoff to DJ occasionally to open up the defense.
Exactly this.

Even if Brion doesn't get big yards it forces the defense to not collapse 8 guys on DJ. Hell, running a slip screen off the back side away from the fake would get decent yards.

It's also not a read option that UNI runs. It looks like it, which confuses a lot of our fans. It's a spread zone. Brion is told not to keep it unless it's called for him to keep it.

[clenz]

I like Sawyer as much as anyone, but this is BS. We were 3-4 with him as a starter and he played awful in those games. So we tried the other guy and haven't even come close to losing since. We've been the best team in the country for 7 weeks.

Nobody screwed anybody. It sucks for Sawyer, but sports are cruel sometimes.
You don't think Sawyer would have won more games with DJ getting 25+ carries a night for him?

Sawyer also gets credit for 2 FBS losses on that record.

I think...though don't remember...that Brion actually played more snaps vs SDSU as well

[ValleyChamp]

You don't think Sawyer would have won more games with DJ getting 25+ carries a night for him?

Sawyer also gets credit for 2 FBS losses on that record.

I think...though don't remember...that Brion actually played more snaps vs SDSU as well

Its hard to say what would have happened if DJ got more carries. All I know is that we were god awful when he was starting.

What we have going with Brion is pretty weird, but its inarguably working. This goes back to last season as well, after Sawyer missed last few games due to injury.

I would prefer Sawyer to be the QB, but I also prefer winning, and there is no argument to be made against Brion being the starter quite frankly. Brion is 9-0 the last two years, and Sawyer is 7-9. Case closed.

[THE HERD]

Okay, I said I'd answer when I got to a computer and here it is.

I'll steal a post I made Friday (I think) on the "Best QB in the MVFC" thread and then expand on it a little at the end. (keep in mind when looking at the stats I posted that Brion went 5-18 against SFA...)



To add to this now:

Brion took every single snap against SFA....every...single...snap. Sawyer didn't get one. Not one damn snap. Why? Who the **** actually knows. Well, I do (thanks to some very nice sources). Here's the deal - I've said before (including the above quote) that Sawyer was given a raw deal and just looks completely uninterested on the field during warm ups, on the sideline, just everywhere. Well, I learned some things yesterday that explain it to much greater detail than I guessed. To put it shortly - Sawyer has a bad case of "beaten dog syndrome" right now.The offense (as I said above) needed a fall guy early and Sawyer was that guy. He was bench and in meetings/practice/film study OC Salmon and QB Coach Verduzco apparently just chew his ass over everything non-stop. Sawyer literally can't win with them anymore. On the flip side, Brion has the sun shining out of his ass according to the coaches. If you were Sawyer how would you react? This tells me that Sawyer likely isn't starting for UNI next year either. That's a god damn shame and the offensive staff will have ****ed him out of a GREAT career. If Sawyer didn't want to coach as bad as he does I promise you he wouldn't be on the team next season.

I've said that UNI better hope Sawyer can overcome that mental block, hope that one of the freshman/sophomores is really good, or we get real lucky on a transfer. Well, rumor has it we might be getting real lucky on a transfer....apparently CJ Bethard from Iowa is looking at transfering from Iowa to UNI because he is getting the Kollmorgen treatment behind Jake Ruddock at Iowa. I won't get too excited about him, because he could really be the "back up is always the most popular guy on the team" treatment from Iowa fans. However, even the staunchest Iowa haters (much like me) that I know claim he is the real deal, so who knows.


Anyway, back on topic a little.

You are exactly right. We aren't winning because of Brion. We are winning in spite of Brion. DJ is the reason UNI is winning right now. DJ had another 25 carries Saturday. That now means in 6 games with Brion starting DJ has 151 carries...he had 110 in 7 games that Sawyer started.

How do the fans feel? Well, winning solves a lot I guess. The stat Carnes lovers point out most is that he is 9-0 as a starter now. I'll grant that is damn impressive. Let's look at that a little deeper....

2013
Youngstown State - actually played well this game 18-30 passing and 17 carries for 74 yards. DJ didn't play. Decent win
Missouri State (5-7 overall record) - DJ played....167 yards rushing on 37 carries for DJ
Western Illinois (4-8 overall record) - DJ had 156 yards on 28 carries. Carnes was 4-12 passing

2014:
WIU (bad team) - 29 carries 146 yards for DJ. Probably Carnes best day throwing at 19-33 210 yards
Illinois State - 29 for 129 for DJ. Carnes was 10-30 for 117 yards with 2 picks...defense/special teams scored as many points as the offense that day including a 98 yard KO return TD by DJ(21)
North Dakota State - 28 for 138 for DJ. Brion was 7-19 for 93 yards (DJ had 36 of those receiving). NDSU had 176 yards of offense
Southern Illinois (5-6 D1 team) - 19 for 93 for DJ. Brion was 18-28 for 169...not bad. Defense/special teams against scored 21
Missouri State (1-7 in MVFC play) - 31 carries 205 yards for DJ. Brion was 11-19 for 169. Nice day for Brion...but still not good

Again, in spite not because of Brion


I guess wins are wins, but at what point does Brion cost UNI the game because we need a quick score through the air and DJ isn't going to break 70 yard TD catches all the time.

The fans want Sawyer. When he came in for 2 plays against Missouri State it was almost as loud as the dome was that entire day. Again though, winning solves a lot. At first the UNI fans thought Brion was great. The shine is wearing off and there is growing unrest with putting the game in his hands.

You could say "Well, he gives UNI a run threat". There's a couple issues with that. He doesn't run (by design or choice) and the fact he can't pass means he isn't a dual threat QB.

If he would pull the ball (he is told not too) on the zone plays to DJ he could have 100 yards a week rushing (or DJ would double his output because teams would have to respect Brion pulling it). There was a play right after a SFA punt in this game that is a perfect example of that. In this thread I posted a picture of my view for every UNI game. The punt was down at the 4 yard line - right in front of me. The first play was a shot gun zone give to DJ to the left (short side of the field as the ball was on the left hash). 10 guys followed DJ. Had Brion pulled it there was 1 guy to beat who was absolutely locked up by the wideside WR. Brion would have been gone for 96 with no one ever getting within 30 yards of him. I'm not exagerating on that one. The one time Brion kept the ball it was a 22 yard TD run where no one was within 20 yards of him.


I don't know why I'm still fighting this fight. I lost this war weeks ago, but much like the South, I refuse to stop thinking I'm right.

I firmly believe UNI is on the same streak with Kollmorgen starting and DJ getting the same carries.


I don't know if I anwered you post or not...and I apologize for the novella I wrote (almost full novel). I'll stop now I guess.

- - - Updated - - -

Also, yes. I did just write 2,022 words about the UNI QB situation after UNI got it's largest MOV in playoff history and is on a 6 game win streak.....


I think I need a hobby

Thanks for the info and it sounds like you agree with me a 100% I figured there was some internal politic type crap going on, as to why Kollmorgen isn't starting, because its just so obvious who the better pure QB is! Farley better hope this decision doesn't cost him that elusive NC, because in my opinion I think it probably will. You guys definitely have a potential NC squad if you'd play Kollmorgen and give DJ the ball 25 times a game and like I said before have a wildcat package for Carnes. You guys are good enough that you'll beat most teams with Carnes at QB thanks to your D and run game, but in the playoffs your most likely gonna eventually run into a team where you will need that passing threat to get it done. Your team with Carnes at QB reminds me of the 2010 Bison team when Jensen was a Rfr....we could not throw the ball worth a crap either, but we may have been able to get to Frisco if the infamous EWU game hadn't gone down as it did, so there is a chance UNI could do it with Carnes, but I believe you have a much much greater chance of getting to Frisco with Sawyer at QB.

[clenz]

Its hard to say what would have happened if DJ got more carries. All I know is that we were god awful when he was starting.

What we have going with Brion is pretty weird, but its inarguably working. This goes back to last season as well, after Sawyer missed last few games due to injury.

I would prefer Sawyer to be the QB, but I also prefer winning, and there is no argument to be made against Brion being the starter quite frankly. Brion is 9-0 the last two years, and Sawyer is 7-9. Case closed.
At this point there is no going to Sawyer.

It's also why Sawyer is already 1 foot out the door at UNI and will be 2 feet by next semester (assuming UNI doesn't make the title game).

I get the W/L thing, but it's much...much...deeper than that. It's like looking at a starting pitchers W/L and saying Felix Hernandez isn't any good because he doesn't have a great record.

This team will go as far as DJ can carry it, and would with Sawyer on the field. I would feel more confident with a QB that can throw better than me on the field though.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Sure Sawyer is the better passer, but for some reason the team plays better when Brion is playing. You can say well we are giving DJ the ball more, but DJ got 23 carries against Indiana State and Sawyer completed 40 some % of his passes. Sawyer had a great year statistics wise his freshman year. The team finished 5-6. I am not saying it is all on him, but he just doesn't produce more wins than losses when he plays.

I don't get why were are arguing about the QB when we are in the middle of a 7 game winning streak. I honestly could care less if we had Xavier plays QB as long as we keep winning football games.

How about we let this thread die, and start talking about the game against Illinois State this week?

[clenz]

Thanks for the info and it sounds like you agree with me a 100% I figured there was some internal politic type crap going on, as to why Kollmorgen isn't starting, because its just so obvious who the better pure QB is! Farley better hope this decision doesn't cost him that elusive NC, because in my opinion I think it probably will. You guys definitely have a potential NC squad if you'd play Kollmorgen and give DJ the ball 25 times a game and like I said before have a wildcat package for Carnes. You guys are good enough that you'll beat most teams with Carnes at QB thanks to your D and run game, but in the playoffs your most likely gonna eventually run into a team where you will need that passing threat to get it done. Your team with Carnes at QB reminds me of the 2010 Bison team when Jensen was a Rfr....we could not throw the ball worth a crap either, but we may have been able to get to Frisco if the EWU hadn't gone down as it did, so there is a chance UNI could do it with Carnes, but I believe you have a much much greater chance of getting to Frisco with Sawyer at QB.
At this point, though, Sawyer isn't going to win as a starter. He won't play better than Brion. He's out the door mentally.


It's Brion of bust for this UNI team. I know that, the coaches know that, 100% of the fans know that (even if they don't like it), the players know that. Doesn't change the amount of turmoil over the decision in the fan base, coaching staff, or team though.


Next years starter at UNI is going to be Iowa transfer CJ Bethard (http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/cj_beathard_810136.html). While not official yet, there is a 95+% feeling he will be a Panther next season. UNI will go to a more traditional pro style set. The offensive line will be better for it. The running backs coming back will be better for it. There is likely to be a new OC and QB coach.

I'm not sure how I feel on Bethard. He doesn't have amazing numbers at Iowa, but it seems like he's been treated like Sawyer was at UNI this year...but behind a QB that wasn't winning games.

[THE HERD]

Its hard to say what would have happened if DJ got more carries. All I know is that we were god awful when he was starting.

What we have going with Brion is pretty weird, but its inarguably working. This goes back to last season as well, after Sawyer missed last few games due to injury.

I would prefer Sawyer to be the QB, but I also prefer winning, and there is no argument to be made against Brion being the starter quite frankly. Brion is 9-0 the last two years, and Sawyer is 7-9. Case closed.

Your not comparing apples to apples though.....when Sawyer started he was essentially playing without his best weapon..DJ! Clenz posted the discrepency in DJ's carries when Sawyer was the starter as compared to Carnes as the starter and there is a huge difference!

[clenz]

Your not comparing apples to apples though.....when Sawyer started he was essentially playing without his best weapon..DJ! Clenz posted the discrepency in DJ's carries when Sawyer was the starter as compared to Carnes as the starter and there is a huge difference!
It's all just fodder at this point, though.

We all know there needed to be a fall guy and Sawyer was that guy.

What would be interesting to see is if the defense/special teams didn't score 21 against Illinois State (same total the offense scored) or 21 against Southern Illinois to see how those games play out and if Brion is still as loved as he is.


Doesn't matter anymore though.

My issue going forward is the lack of carries for Brion. If we are going to go with the the running back at quarter back we should use him

[ValleyChamp]

Your not comparing apples to apples though.....when Sawyer started he was essentially playing without his best weapon..DJ! Clenz posted the discrepency in DJ's carries when Sawyer was the starter as compared to Carnes as the starter and there is a huge difference!

Yeah, he was getting less carries because we were throwing the ball way more with Sawyer. And he was completing less than 50% of his passes and throwing INTs, and we were losing games.

[THE HERD]

At this point, though, Sawyer isn't going to win as a starter. He won't play better than Brion. He's out the door mentally.


It's Brion of bust for this UNI team. I know that, the coaches know that, 100% of the fans know that (even if they don't like it), the players know that. Doesn't change the amount of turmoil over the decision in the fan base, coaching staff, or team though.


Next years starter at UNI is going to be Iowa transfer CJ Bethard (http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/cj_beathard_810136.html). While not official yet, there is a 95+% feeling he will be a Panther next season. UNI will go to a more traditional pro style set. The offensive line will be better for it. The running backs coming back will be better for it. There is likely to be a new OC and QB coach.

I'm not sure how I feel on Bethard. He doesn't have amazing numbers at Iowa, but it seems like he's been treated like Sawyer was at UNI this year...but behind a QB that wasn't winning games.

Well buckle up she's gonna be wild ride from here on out and hopefully if UNI makes it to Frisco we will be there as well with a chance for a little payback! UNI wins this weekend for sure, but the potential matchup with EWU is where you may need Kollmorgen to get it done. If that game does happen and I think it will, I will be pulling for UNI, because while I have a Strong Dislike for you guys when it comes to EWU its just pure Hate!! lol

[UNIFanSince1983]

It's all just fodder at this point, though.

We all know there needed to be a fall guy and Sawyer was that guy.

What would be interesting to see is if the defense/special teams didn't score 21 against Illinois State (same total the offense scored) or 21 against Southern Illinois to see how those games play out and if Brion is still as loved as he is.

Doesn't matter anymore though.

My issue going forward is the lack of carries for Brion. If we are going to go with the the running back at quarter back we should use him

Pretty sure Illinois State scored 21 of their points off turnovers in that game as well so that is a wash...

I do agree with the lack of carries for Brion. A true read option would be nice every once in a while. It doesn't happen nearly enough (if at all). Most of them appear to be called runs for either David or Brion never him making the read (which maybe he can't do).

[THE HERD]

Yeah, he was getting less carries because we were throwing the ball way more with Sawyer. And he was completing less than 50% of his passes and throwing INTs, and we were losing games.

Exactly! Take some pressure off him by giving it to DJ and I guarantee his passing stats improve immensely! Plus now he would have to be completely healthy with all the bench time. A guy doesn't one day just forget how to throw a football and Kollmorgen played well for you guys for a few years and should have been given a chance while utilizing your guys greatest weapon.

[clenz]

Pretty sure Illinois State scored 21 of their points off turnovers in that game as well so that is a wash...

I do agree with the lack of carries for Brion. A true read option would be nice every once in a while. It doesn't happen nearly enough (if at all). Most of them appear to be called runs for either David or Brion never him making the read (which maybe he can't do).
Points off turnovers is different than straight points from the defense/special teams.

The defense scored two touchdowns and DJ returned a kick for a TD that game....the defense could have had another TD but Kilfoy took a knee on his last INT of the day rather than score.

Points off turnovers is an interesting topic though.

ISU's first score of the day was the second play of the game. First play of the game was a Brion fumble.

The other points off turn overs were both off of Carnes interceptions.

[uni88]

My issue going forward is the lack of carries for Brion. If we are going to go with the the running back at quarter back we should use him

Carnes is obviously the QB going forward and I think just about everyone can agree that he should get more carries.


How about we let this thread die, and start talking about the game against Illinois State this week?

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[PantherRob82]

It's funny that the people who loved Kollmorgen as a FR think that he just magically got worse.

[Panther-State]

It's funny that the people who loved Kollmorgen as a FR think that he just magically got worse.

I don't think he magically got worse...but his stats since that game against NDSU last year show that something happened and he hasn't been able to get over it. Dude was a stud his freshmen year and the first 4 games last year. Then the concussion happens and he became Mr. Inconsistent. Very unfortunate because we'd be unstoppable with the Sawyer of old. He was a total gamer.

[clenz]

Must be that damn shoulder injury

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[Panther-State]

Must be that damn shoulder injury

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Non-throwing shoulder so I doubt it ;)

[ValleyChamp]

It's funny that the people who loved Kollmorgen as a FR think that he just magically got worse.

????

There is nothing magic about it. Watch the games and you can see that he was undoubtably worse.

[PantherRob82]

????

There is nothing magic about it. Watch the games and you can see that he was undoubtably worse.

But all things were not equal. Look at the OL, the play calling , DJ's carries etc.

Obviously the coaching staff thought there was an OL issue with the change they made. :)