11/16: Sports Network Poll

[FargoBison]

Sports Network Poll (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/misc/cfoot225poll.aspx)
1. New Hampshire Wildcats (74) 9-1 3879 1
2. Coastal Carolina Chanticleers (56) 11-0 3802 2
3. North Dakota State Bison (20) 10-1 3606 4
4. Jacksonville State Gamecocks (10) 9-1 3581 3
5. Eastern Washington Eagles 9-2 3381 5
6. Villanova Wildcats 9-2 3137 6
7. Fordham Rams 10-1 2905 7
8. Illinois State Redbirds 9-1 2865 8
9. Chattanooga Mocs 8-3 2598 9
10. Southeastern Louisiana Lions 8-3 2466 10
11. Northern Iowa Panthers 7-4 2404 11
12. Montana State Bobcats 8-3 2289 12
13. Montana Grizzlies 7-4 1886 16
14. Eastern Kentucky Colonels 9-2 1675 18
15. Harvard Crimson 9-0 1597 17
16. South Dakota State Jackrabbits 7-4 1489 19
17. James Madison Dukes 8-3 1300 25
18. Indiana State Sycamores 7-4 1257 23
19. McNeese State Cowboys 6-4 1062 13
20. Youngstown State Penguins 7-4 998 15
21. Richmond Spiders 7-4 924 14
22. William & Mary Tribe 7-4 743 24
23. Sam Houston State Bearkats 7-4 403 NR
24. North Carolina A&T Aggies 9-2 297 NR
25. Bethune-Cookman Wildcats 8-3 268 20


Others receiving votes: Sacred Heart 200, Idaho State 153, Bryant 144, Alcorn State 118, Northern Arizona 104, Charleston Southern 93, Yale 51, Southern Illinois 47, Bucknell 34, Liberty 33, Cal Poly 32, Stephen F. Austin 27, North Carolina Central 24, Jackson State 23, Grambling State 21, Samford 16, San Diego 15, Dartmouth 12, Albany 10, Robert Morris 8, Western Carolina 7, Southern 7, Jacksonville 5, Northwestern State 4

[blackbeard]

Sports Network Poll (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/misc/cfoot225poll.aspx)
1. New Hampshire Wildcats (74) 9-1 3879 1
2. Coastal Carolina Chanticleers (56) 11-0 3802 2
3. North Dakota State Bison (20) 10-1 3606 4
4. Jacksonville State Gamecocks (10) 9-1 3581 3
5. Eastern Washington Eagles 9-2 3381 5
6. Villanova Wildcats 9-2 3137 6
7. Fordham Rams 10-1 2905 7
8. Illinois State Redbirds 9-1 2865 8
9. Chattanooga Mocs 8-3 2598 9
10. Southeastern Louisiana Lions 8-3 2466 10
11. Northern Iowa Panthers 7-4 2404 11
12. Montana State Bobcats 8-3 2289 12
13. Montana Grizzlies 7-4 1886 16
14. Eastern Kentucky Colonels 9-2 1675 18
15. Harvard Crimson 9-0 1597 17
16. South Dakota State Jackrabbits 7-4 1489 19
17. James Madison Dukes 8-3 1300 25
18. Indiana State Sycamores 7-4 1257 23
19. McNeese State Cowboys 6-4 1062 13
20. Youngstown State Penguins 7-4 998 15
21. Richmond Spiders 7-4 924 14
22. William & Mary Tribe 7-4 743 24
23. Sam Houston State Bearkats 7-4 403 NR
24. North Carolina A&T Aggies 9-2 297 NR
25. Bethune-Cookman Wildcats 8-3 268 20


Others receiving votes: Sacred Heart 200, Idaho State 153, Bryant 144, Alcorn State 118, Northern Arizona 104, Charleston Southern 93, Yale 51, Southern Illinois 47, Bucknell 34, Liberty 33, Cal Poly 32, Stephen F. Austin 27, North Carolina Central 24, Jackson State 23, Grambling State 21, Samford 16, San Diego 15, Dartmouth 12, Albany 10, Robert Morris 8, Western Carolina 7, Southern 7, Jacksonville 5, Northwestern State 4


No voter could have watched Bethune-Cookman on Thursday night and voted for them

[WestCoastAggie]

No voter could have watched Bethune-Cookman on Thursday night and voted for them

Agreed.

[MarkCCU]

Would have been nice if NC A&T was ranked when we beat them.

[KUlawJack]

I take back what I said about TSN. The poll I looked at before had the updated results of the teams, but still had JMU at 25 and Richmond way higher.

With that said, there are still a couple head scratchers.

[FargoBison]

Would love to see the ballots with San Diego and Jacksonville in them, wouldn't be shocked if some of them have both teams in. TSN is the biggest homer poll around.

[Professor Chaos]

I wonder if the Sports Network voters or the SIDs who vote in the Coach's poll even look at what Montana has done this year before they rank them. Based on the results the answer appears to be "not a chance".

FWIW, the NDSU guys who vote in this poll (WDAY TV's Dom Izzo and the Fargo Forum's Jeff Kolpack) called out TSN last week for how inaccurate the poll is getting and suggested that they cut back on the number of voters they allow (160 voters is a lot).

[Professor Chaos]

Would have been nice if NC A&T was ranked when we beat them.
There's different ways of look at that. NDSU beat Montana when they were ranked in the top 5 but I think everyone agrees Montana is not a top 5 team this year and the win has likewise lost some of it's luster. I look at it as a positive if you beat a team early in the year who turns out to be much better that their ranking (or lack thereof) indicated when you beat them. For instance, CCU's win over NC A&T is more impressive to me than their win over Furman (who was ranked at the time) just because of how each team has played after their loss to CCU.

[MarkCCU]

There's different ways of look at that. NDSU beat Montana when they were ranked in the top 5 but I think everyone agrees Montana is not a top 5 team this year and the win has likewise lost some of it's luster. I look at it as a positive if you beat a team early in the year who turns out to be much better that their ranking (or lack thereof) indicated when you beat them. For instance, CCU's win over NC A&T is more impressive to me than their win over Furman (who was ranked at the time) just because of how each team has played after their loss to CCU.

I was thinking the same thing.

[WileECoyote06]

NCCU got some votes! xthumbsupx

[catbob]

So MSU beats an Idaho State team that was receiving votes, and was ranked in the AGS poll (I believe?), and stays put, but Montana beats a bad SUU team and moves up 3 spots.

[MTfan4life]

So MSU beats an Idaho State team that was receiving votes, and was ranked in the AGS poll (I believe?), and stays put, but Montana beats a bad SUU team and moves up 3 spots.

These pollsters live and die by the slotting procedure. It's impossible for a team to move up if no one in front of them lost.

[eaglesdare]

24 votes, wasn't expecting that. What a job Jerry Mack is doing. We dont play South Carolina State and Bethune next year so I hope we overload our non-conference schedule.

[robsnotes4u]

I wonder if the Sports Network voters or the SIDs who vote in the Coach's poll even look at what Montana has done this year before they rank them. Based on the results the answer appears to be "not a chance".

FWIW, the NDSU guys who vote in this poll (WDAY TV's Dom Izzo and the Fargo Forum's Jeff Kolpack) called out TSN last week for how inaccurate the poll is getting and suggested that they cut back on the number of voters they allow (160 voters is a lot).

It isn't the amount, it is the quality. I would venture a guess most of these guys put 5 minutes into their poll, looking at scores of games at the most.

I will say this, and I am only using Izzo and Kolpack as an example, if your team is good you probably pay more attention to what is happening out there.

[jmrepak]

There's different ways of look at that. NDSU beat Montana when they were ranked in the top 5 but I think everyone agrees Montana is not a top 5 team this year and the win has likewise lost some of it's luster. I look at it as a positive if you beat a team early in the year who turns out to be much better that their ranking (or lack thereof) indicated when you beat them. For instance, CCU's win over NC A&T is more impressive to me than their win over Furman (who was ranked at the time) just because of how each team has played after their loss to CCU.
Exactly, I generally look at where teams are at the end of the year to determine what the strength of schedule was for a team. NC A&T cracking the top 25 helps us. Liberty dropping out of it hurts us next week. However, I'm surprised to see that Charleston Southern and Liberty are staying as close to the top 25 as they are.

[RollBirds]

Can't see how a team that lost a game by more then 40 is in the top 10.

[bisonboone11]

NCCU got some votes! xthumbsupx

So did Robert Morris and Jackson State...

[McNeese75]

They have verified "slot voting" with this poll simply by keeping McNeese ranked. xsmhx

[WileECoyote06]

So did Robert Morris and Jackson State...

Hey let me enjoy our moment in the sunshine. Oh and we're playing for a piece of the 'ship, against the farmers Saturday.

[Jason Svoboda]

These pollsters live and die by the slotting procedure. It's impossible for a team to move up if no one in front of them lost.

Indiana State was ranked 23rd and beat #15 Youngstown State and was jumped by 25th ranked James Madison that beat #14 Richmond.

[blackbeard]

Sports Network Poll (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/misc/cfoot225poll.aspx)
Robert Morris 8,

This has to be a joke right??? Someone should have their voting priviledges taken away.

[Professor Chaos]

This has to be a joke right??? Someone should have their voting priviledges taken away.
Guessing that was a #18 vote meant for Richmond. Just like the 23 points Jackson St got was likely a #3 vote meant for Jacksonville St. It happens in the AGS poll too, I just think the ballots are vetted better by AGS so it's usually caught before it's released. Although with 160 ballots to sift through it's a tedious proposition for TSN.

[JMUNJ08]

Guessing that was a #18 vote meant for Richmond. Just like the 23 points Jackson St got was likely a #3 vote meant for Jacksonville St. It happens in the AGS poll too, I just think the ballots are vetted better by AGS so it's usually caught before it's released. Although with 160 ballots to sift through it's a tedious proposition for TSN.

And they clearly don't care enough to do it. If they are suppose to be a legit poll, make sure your people don't slip up. I don't see any votes for Ohio U getting into the AP poll meant for Ohio State.... Its just sloppy...

[FargoBison]

I'll say it again, post all the ballots online and these people will become better voters quickly. The FBS AP poll posts every voter's top 25 online.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Guessing that was a #18 vote meant for Richmond. Just like the 23 points Jackson St got was likely a #3 vote meant for Jacksonville St. It happens in the AGS poll too, I just think the ballots are vetted better by AGS so it's usually caught before it's released. Although with 160 ballots to sift through it's a tedious proposition for TSN.

Dead on. I think we have let one slip this year but every time it happens the voter get an email inquiring on it.

[dewey]

FWIW, the NDSU guys who vote in this poll (WDAY TV's Dom Izzo and the Fargo Forum's Jeff Kolpack) called out TSN last week for how inaccurate the poll is getting and suggested that they cut back on the number of voters they allow (160 voters is a lot).

Here is Dom Izzo ' s top 25.

Coastal Carolina * * * (11-0, beat Monmouth) * * * * * * * Previous: 1
North Dakota State *(10-1, beat Mo State) **FBS win *Previous: 2
New Hampshire * * (9-1, beat Delaware) * * * * * * * * * * *Previous: 3
Eastern Washington (9-2, BYE week) * * * * * * * * * * * * *Previous: 4
Villanova * * * * * * * * (9-2, beat Albany) * * * * * * * * * * * * Previous: 5
Jacksonville State * (9-1, beat Eastern Illinois) * * * * * * Previous: 6
Illinois State * * * * * *(9-1, beat South Dakota) * * * * * * *Previous: 7
Fordham * * * * * * * (10-1, beat Georgetown) * * * * * * * Previous: 8
Northern Iowa * * * (7-4, beat SIU) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Previous: 10
Southeastern Louisiana *(8-3, beat McNeese St) * * * Previous: 9
Montana State * * *(8-3, beat Idaho State) * * * * * * * * Previous: 13
Chattanooga * * * *(8-3, beat Tennessee Tech) * * * * *Previous: 14
Eastern Kentucky (9-2, beat Murray State)*FBS win Previous: 16
James Madison * (8-3, beat Richmond) * * * * * * * * *Previous: 21
Richmond * * * * *(7-4, lost to JMU) * * * * * * * * * * * * Previous: 11
South Dakota State *(7-4, beat WIU) * * * * * * * * * * *Previous: 20
Indiana State * *(7-4, beat Youngstown)*FBS win * *Previous: 24
Youngstown State *(7-4, lost to Ind St) * * * * * * * * *Previous: 15
Harvard * * * * * (9-0, beat Penn) * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Previous: 22
William & Mary *(7-4, beat Towson) * * * * * * * * * * *Previous:
Unranked Montana * * * * (7-4, beat Southern Utah) * * * * * * Previous: 25
Sacred Heart * (9-2, beat Bryant) * * * * * * * * * * * *Previous: Unranked
Sam Houston State (7-4, beat Hou.Baptist) * * * Previous: Unranked
Bucknell * * * * (8-2, beat Holy Cross) * * * * * * * * Previous: Unranked
Bethune-Cookman (8-3, lost to Hampton)*FBS win Previous: 12

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Dewey

[citdog]

My TSN Poll

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: New Hampshire Wildcats
3: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: Chattanooga Mocs
9: Northern Iowa Panthers
10: Fordham Rams
11: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
12: Montana State Bobcats
13: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
14: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
15: James Madison Dukes
16: Richmond Spiders
17: Indiana State Sycamores
18: Youngstown State Penguins
19: Harvard Crimson
20: Montana Grizzlies
21: William & Mary Tribe
22: North Carolina A&T Aggies
23: Sacred Heart Pioneers
24: Idaho State Bengals
25: Samford Bulldogs

[knucklehead]

Exactly, I generally look at where teams are at the end of the year to determine what the strength of schedule was for a team. NC A&T cracking the top 25 helps us. Liberty dropping out of it hurts us next week. However, I'm surprised to see that Charleston Southern and Liberty are staying as close to the top 25 as they are.
Don't worry, Liberty will be back in soon.

[FargoBison]

Interesting to find out today that Craig Haley has CCU 6th in TSN ballot. Said NDSU is #1.

[polsongrizz]

No voter could have watched Bethune-Cookman on Thursday night and voted for them

There is not a single voter who could watch every game, even if they were all televised.