Sports Network Poll

[FargoBison]

Sports Network
1. New Hampshire Wildcats (70) 8-1 3800 2
2. Coastal Carolina Chanticleers (55) 10-0 3747 3
3. Jacksonville State Gamecocks (13) 8-1 3547 4
4. North Dakota State Bison (19) 9-1 3483 1
5. Eastern Washington Eagles 9-2 3366 5
6. Villanova Wildcats 8-2 3070 7
7. Fordham Rams 9-1 2792 9
8. Illinois State Redbirds 8-1 2743 12
9. Chattanooga Mocs 7-3 2411 13
10. Southeastern Louisiana Lions 7-3 2159 14
11. Northern Iowa Panthers 6-4 2121 19
12. Montana State Bobcats 7-3 2055 15
13. McNeese State Cowboys 6-3 1846 6
14. Richmond Spiders 7-3 1811 8
15. Youngstown State Penguins 7-3 1757 10
16. Montana Grizzlies 6-4 1542 11
17. Harvard Crimson 8-0 1307 18
18. Eastern Kentucky Colonels 8-2 1142 16
19. South Dakota State Jackrabbits 6-4 1135 22
20. Bethune-Cookman Wildcats 8-2 1077 20
21. Bryant Bulldogs 8-1 620 23
22. Northern Arizona Lumberjacks 7-3 522 25
23. Indiana State Sycamores 6-4 517 17
24. William & Mary Tribe 6-4 438 25
25. James Madison Dukes 7-3 355 NR

Others receiving votes: Liberty 305, Idaho State 281, Stephen F. Austin 257, Southern Illinois 171, Sam Houston State 153, Cal Poly 142, North Carolina A&T 111, Grambling State 71, South Carolina State 50, Alcorn State 37, Yale 31, Bucknell 25, Albany 9, Samford 8, Sacred Heart 5, Wofford 4, Jacksonville 3, Western Carolina 3, Lamar 3, Eastern Illinois 2, Missouri State 1.

[JMUNJ08]

All 3 above do not have an FCS loss correct? Makes logical sense but not if you really look at each of the teams....

[rokamortis]

That's a huge fall for the Bison. Surprised they dropped them so low.

[bluehenbillk]

Hmm..if this would hold up you'd see NDSU playing a road semifinal game...assuming the bracket held.

[FargoBison]

Montana at #16? How much is the name Montana worth in this poll? Based on what they have done they shouldn't even be ranked.

[JMUNJ08]

Sports Network
16. Montana Grizzlies 6-4 1542 11
19. South Dakota State Jackrabbits 6-4 1135 22
23. Indiana State Sycamores 6-4 517 17
24. William & Mary Tribe 6-4 438 25

Others receiving votes: Cal Poly 142

5 teams @ 6-4 that are way out of wack compared to on the field results....

1. Cal Poly
2/3. SDSU/ ISUb
4/5. W&M/ Montana

Why so off?

[FargoBison]

That's a huge fall for the Bison. Surprised they dropped them so low.

Yeah, I was thinking we would be #3.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Hmm..if this would hold up you'd see NDSU playing a road semifinal game...assuming the bracket held.

The committee understands a thing or two about strength of schedule.

[Bisonator]

Hmm..if this would hold up you'd see NDSU playing a road semifinal game...assuming the bracket held.

Seeds are not decided by polls.

[Silenoz]

lawl at Idaho State being below us

[Sycamore62]

Not sure why anyone would think TSN would all the sudden figure it out.

[knucklehead]

All I can say is REALLY? Still Montana and W&M but still no Liberty? I just can't take this poll seriously at all.

[FargoBison]

How is Idaho State not ranked?

[bluehenbillk]

Don't get me wrong - I think NDSU is still the favorite to win in January, but if CCU & UNH win out is NDSU a top-2 seed? Coastal crushed Montana on the road last year..

[Bisonator]

Don't get me wrong - I think NDSU is still the favorite to win in January, but if CCU & UNH win out is NDSU a top-2 seed? Coastal crushed Montana on the road last year..
If NDSU wins out I would hope they are. Total body of work trumps CC's IMO.

[Silenoz]

Don't get me wrong - I think NDSU is still the favorite to win in January, but if CCU & UNH win out is NDSU a top-2 seed? Coastal crushed Montana on the road last year..

Eh, I mean we looked like a bunch of idiots out there, but let's not go crazy...

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=333410149

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Don't get me wrong - I think NDSU is still the favorite to win in January, but if CCU & UNH win out is NDSU a top-2 seed? Coastal crushed Montana on the road last year..

Has CCU played any top 25 teams this year?

[FargoBison]

If NDSU wins out I would hope they are. Total body of work trumps CC's IMO.

NDSU was #4 in this poll at the end of the season in 2011, still was a top 2 seed. This poll doesn't really matter, the committee unlike the poll voters will dig into who teams have played and beaten.

[FargoBison]

Has CCU played any top 25 teams this year?

Not a single one of their opponents is ranked in this poll...Liberty, NCAT and SC State all receiving votes.

[dewey]

Don't get me wrong - I think NDSU is still the favorite to win in January, but if CCU & UNH win out is NDSU a top-2 seed? Coastal crushed Montana on the road last year..

CCU beat Montana 42-35 last year...I wouldn't call that a crushing.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/324/year/2013/coastal-carolina-chanticleers

Plus NDSU crushed CCU last year 48-14.

I think if NDSU finishes the season 11-1 they will be a top 2 seed. A very impressive win over a P5 FBS team and numerous ranked MVFC teams.

Dewey

[Panther-State]

Boy that's a big jump for UNI and a number of others. I was shocked...until I looked at spots 13-18. All but Harvard lost and took a tumble this week. Eastern Washington and Bethune-Cookman are the only teams that stand pat in the rankings. I bet it's been awhile since we've have this much movement from top to bottom in the rankings. It's going to be an interesting last few weeks

[KUlawJack]

5 teams @ 6-4 that are way out of wack compared to on the field results....

1. Cal Poly
2/3. SDSU/ ISUb
4/5. W&M/ Montana

Why so off?

We beat Cal Poly 44-18 already this year. We are not 2/3 with ISU-B as we just housed them at home. They had a garbage TD with 10 seconds left or the score would have been 32-9.

We are too low now that we have our starting QB back. We beat Cal Poly without him, as well.

[JMUNJ08]

We beat Cal Poly 44-18 already this year. We are not 2/3 with ISU-B as we just housed them at home. They had a garbage TD with 10 seconds left or the score would have been 32-9.

We are too low now that we have our starting QB back. We beat Cal Poly without him, as well.

Pretty early this year so its a little discounted now. Poly had a couple really nice wins and ISUb does too. Kinda more pods than saying interchangeable really. Could pull Poly back but I think when looking at the BSC you could say Poly stands higher up than SDSU

[UNH Fanboi]

If NDSU wins out I would hope they are. Total body of work trumps CC's IMO.

And let's be honest, you know that the NCAA is going to want the chance at a semifinal game with over 20,000 paying customers.

[Sycamore62]

We beat Cal Poly 44-18 already this year. We are not 2/3 with ISU-B as we just housed them at home. They had a garbage TD with 10 seconds left or the score would have been 32-9.

We are too low now that we have our starting QB back. We beat Cal Poly without him, as well.

Dont forget the 14 point swing on the blown fumble call on the goalline. If you wanted to win 32-9 you shouldnt have let them score a garbage TD

[NoDak 4 Ever]

And let's be honest, you know that the NCAA is going to want the chance at a semifinal game with over 20,000 paying customers.

While true, the facts stand for themselves.

[penguinpower]

That's a huge fall for the Bison. Surprised they dropped them so low.


TSN is biased toward the CAA and Big Sky

[dbackjon]

Montana at #16? How much is the name Montana worth in this poll? Based on what they have done they shouldn't even be ranked.

Agreed - Montana shouldn't be ranked - they have not beaten a winning DI team yet this year

[clenz]

Boy that's a big jump for UNI and a number of others. I was shocked...until I looked at spots 13-18. All but Harvard lost and took a tumble this week. Eastern Washington and Bethune-Cookman are the only teams that stand pat in the rankings. I bet it's been awhile since we've have this much movement from top to bottom in the rankings. It's going to be an interesting last few weeks
Slot voting at it's finest....along with UNI finally deciding to show up 2 straight weeks.

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

And let's be honest, you know that the NCAA is going to want the chance at a semifinal game with over 20,000 paying customers.

Especially compared to a certain Dungeon that MIGHT get 12K if 5K are willing to stand and where the TV cameras will be pointing toward the sun!!! xlolx xlolx

[Sycamore62]

And let's be honest, you know that the NCAA is going to want the chance at a semifinal game with over 20,000 paying customers.


Follow the money
-Mike Nichols 2014

[KUlawJack]

Dont forget the 14 point swing on the blown fumble call on the goalline. If you wanted to win 32-9 you shouldnt have let them score a garbage TD

That call wasn't blown. It was the right call. Now, if you want discuss whether he got in the play before, we could discuss that. You'd have a better argument there, but I still think you'd be wrong. Our announcer didn't think it was nearly as close as your announcers and thought both call were right. You'll hardly ever hear anyone accuse our play by play guy of being a homer. He is far from it. Your announcers also mentioned ZZ's lack of breakaway speed. Then he went 94 to the house and ran away from DBs.

And I'll take the 32-17 win on the road over a good ISU-B team any day.

My point was more to the JMU fan putting Cal Poly above us, then claiming it was early and is therefore discounted. 44-18. They were missing starters. So were we.

[citdog]

Seeds are not decided by polls.

NOTHING is decided by polls.

[KUlawJack]

Pretty early this year so its a little discounted now. Poly had a couple really nice wins and ISUb does too. Kinda more pods than saying interchangeable really. Could pull Poly back but I think when looking at the BSC you could say Poly stands higher up than SDSU

Can you explain the bolded for me? I don't think I'm grasping what you are saying.

[Bison56]

NOTHING is decided by polls.

Try telling that to a CCU fan. Some believe they have a top 2 seed locked up because they are ranked at that position in a poll.

[robsnotes4u]

NOTHING is decided by polls.

Bingo

[FargoBison]

Try telling that to a CCU fan. Some believe they have a top 2 seed locked up because they are ranked at that position in a poll.

They might want to talk to EWU fans about the year 2010.

[robsnotes4u]

Can you explain the bolded for me? I don't think I'm grasping what you are saying.

Here is some info to compare

Cal Poly Win over two winning teams, UM and MSU
lost head to head to SDSU
Can get to 8, more than likely

SDSU wins over three teams with winning records
Has to win out to get to 7 D1 wins
won head to head
Can end with a three game winning streak






sag rank
Team
Conf
sag rating
wins
loses
Sag Schedule
Massey comp
D1 Wins


32
Cal Poly-SLO
BSC
54.33
6
4
50.67
32
6


6
South Dakota S
MVFC
66.11
6
4
64.98
8
5

[KUlawJack]

Here is some info to compare

Cal Poly Win over two winning teams, UM and MSU
lost head to head to SDSU
Can get to 8, more than likely

SDSU wins over three teams with winning records
Has to win out to get to 7 D1 wins
won head to head
Can end with a three game winning streak






sag rank
Team
Conf
sag rating
wins
loses
Sag Schedule
Massey comp
D1 Wins


32
Cal Poly-SLO
BSC
54.33
6
4
50.67
32
6


6
South Dakota S
MVFC
66.11
6
4
64.98
8
5







Thanks for the information.

I still don't think I understand what he was saying. Looking at the Big Sky as a whole and Cal Poly's position in it as compared to SDSU's position in the MVFC? Maybe?

[Panther-State]

That head to head game should be the deciding factor between SDSU and Cal Poly. I'm sorry but how can you even argue that? SDSU has a much better resume and the H2H. Case closed. Cal Poly has beaten the Montana schools (one of which, everyone seems pretty convinced, should not be ranked) and that's it.

[jmrepak]

Try telling that to a CCU fan. Some believe they have a top 2 seed locked up because they are ranked at that position in a poll.

Not true... unless something crazy happens I see us getting a 3 seed, but not much better.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

What does Idaho State have to do to get into the Top 25?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

And let's be honest, you know that the NCAA is going to want the chance at a semifinal game with over 20,000 paying customers.

I think we all want that. I know I do. Better fan support is a much better look on TV if you ask me. Now I don't want someone to get screwed out of anything but if it's a toss up, I go the way of the crowd for multiple reasons.

[robsnotes4u]

Thanks for the information.

I still don't think I understand what he was saying. Looking at the Big Sky as a whole and Cal Poly's position in it as compared to SDSU's position in the MVFC? Maybe?

Not really sure, I was confused by the post. Yes Cal Poly can get to 8, and SDSU only 7, but other than that????

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I think we all want that. I know I do. Better fan support is a much better look on TV if you ask me. Now I don't want someone to get screwed out of anything but if it's a toss up, I go the way of the crowd for multiple reasons.

I think we all remember that pathetic JMU/Eastern Kentucky game a few years back.

[FargoBison]

What does Idaho State have to do to get into the Top 25?

Change their name to Montana?

That team is playing at a very high level, almost won at EWU when they had VA. In fact I think that is their only FCS loss.

[Sycamore62]

That call wasn't blown. It was the right call. Now, if you want discuss whether he got in the play before, we could discuss that. You'd have a better argument there, but I still think you'd be wrong. Our announcer didn't think it was nearly as close as your announcers and thought both call were right. You'll hardly ever hear anyone accuse our play by play guy of being a homer. He is far from it. Your announcers also mentioned ZZ's lack of breakaway speed. Then he went 94 to the house and ran away from DBs.

And I'll take the 32-17 win on the road over a good ISU-B team any day.

My point was more to the JMU fan putting Cal Poly above us, then claiming it was early and is therefore discounted. 44-18. They were missing starters. So were we.
Im not gonna lie, I couldnt tell, nor could anyone or any camera angle . The fact that I saw no bean bag and it took 5 minutes for them to decide, makes me think they blew it. also thought he was in the endzone before he lost it. still think we lose even if that happens but I think the game was closer than a beatdown. Im pretty sure the QB played the 2nd half injured: see sack at end of half

[Cleets]

I think we all want that. I know I do. Better fan support is a much better look on TV if you ask me. Now I don't want someone to get screwed out of anything but if it's a toss up, I go the way of the crowd for multiple reasons.

Obviously you've seen a Villanova football game on TV then
Good lord there is never anybody there

It looks like a football game being played after the apocalypse...

[FargoBison]

I would love to see some of the individual poll ballots this week, I wish the Sports Network poll was like the FBS AP poll and everyone's ballot was posted.

[ValleyTalk]

I would love to see some of the individual poll ballots this week, I wish the Sports Network poll was like the FBS AP poll and everyone's ballot was posted.
The bias would be exposed, we cannot allow that to happen.

[JMUNJ08]

Obviously you've seen a Villanova football game on TV then
Good lord there is never anybody there

It looks like a football game being played after the apocalypse...

They were on SNY this passed weekend and I was wondering when they were going to let the people into the game...

[citdog]

1. New Hampshire
2. North Dakota State
3. Coastal Carolina
4. Jacksonville State
5. Villanova
6. Eastern Washington
7. Illinois State
8. Fordham
9. Chattanooga
10. Richmond
11. Southeastern Louisiana
12. Montana State
13. Northern Iowa
14. Youngstown State
15. South Dakota State
16. Idaho State
17. Liberty
18. Harvard
19. McNeese State
20. Montana
21. Bryant
22. Bethune-Cookman
23. Eastern Kentucky
24. Indiana State
25. James Madison

[dudeitsaid]

Change their name to Montana?

That team is playing at a very high level, almost won at EWU when they had VA. In fact I think that is their only FCS loss.
UM and ISU are both being effected in the polls by their past history, but one is benefitting, and other is being penalized.

Without a doubt, they should be switched.

[KUlawJack]

Im not gonna lie, I couldnt tell, nor could anyone or any camera angle . The fact that I saw no bean bag and it took 5 minutes for them to decide, makes me think they blew it. also thought he was in the endzone before he lost it. still think we lose even if that happens but I think the game was closer than a beatdown. Im pretty sure the QB played the 2nd half injured: see sack at end of half

He may have been injured. That was a vicious smack he took. The kid that hit him is a true freshman. I am very excited to see what he can do for the next three years.

[Sycamore62]

He may have been injured. That was a vicious smack he took. The kid that hit him is a true freshman. I am very excited to see what he can do for the next three years.

It was, Im pretty sure my 5yo daughter could have made that hit though. He kind of didnt get blocked at all. at least someone could have said "heads up" or something.

[Sitting Bull]

All I can say is REALLY? Still Montana and W&M but still no Liberty? I just can't take this poll seriously at all.

Well, for W&M, four losses but one was at FBS Va Tech and the other three are all against teams ranked in the top 25 (two in the top 10), two of those games we were in position to win. On the flip side, one win against a team with a winning record, Delaware.

i don't know who Liberty has beaten or where all their losses were. I know one was FBS and the other to UR.

[Cleets]

FCS football fans take note:
Below is the best ranking you're going to see on the interwebs



1. New Hampshire
2. North Dakota State
3. Coastal Carolina
4. Jacksonville State
5. Villanova
6. Eastern Washington
7. Illinois State
8. Fordham
9. Chattanooga
10. Richmond
11. Southeastern Louisiana
12. Montana State
13. Northern Iowa
14. Youngstown State
15. South Dakota State
16. Idaho State
17. Liberty
18. Harvard
19. McNeese State
20. Montana
21. Bryant
22. Bethune-Cookman
23. Eastern Kentucky
24. Indiana State
25. James Madison

[knucklehead]

Well, for W&M, four losses but one was at FBS Va Tech and the other three are all against teams ranked in the top 25 (two in the top 10), two of those games we were in position to win. On the flip side, one win against a team with a winning record, Delaware.

i don't know who Liberty has beaten or where all their losses were. I know one was FBS and the other to UR.

Losses to FBS UNC, Ranked Richmond in Double OT, Ranked ISUb. Wins so far. Ranked Bryant, App St, Norfolk St, Presby, Monmouth, Gardner Webb, Brevard.

[FargoBison]

Sounds like there were people voting NDSU 7, 8 or 9 in the poll per our beat writer. He is calling Haley out, saying he needs to fix his poll.

BTW he does vote in it and had NDSU #2

[rokamortis]

Sounds like there were people voting NDSU 7, 8 or 9 in the poll per our beat writer. He is calling Haley out, saying he needs to fix his poll.

BTW he does vote in it and had NDSU #2

How do you fix people's opinions?

[FargoBison]

How do you fix people's opinions?

You remove the people who don't take voting seriously, his suggestion was to cut the poll by 50 to 100 voters. Quality over quantity.

My fix would be simpler, just post all the ballots online. People will become educated in a hurry if that happens.

[GoAgs72]

After watching them play, I upped Idaho State to #18 in my AGS poll. To me, they are the most exciting team in the Big Sky.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Sounds like there were people voting NDSU 7, 8 or 9 in the poll per our beat writer. He is calling Haley out, saying he needs to fix his poll.

BTW he does vote in it and had NDSU #2


Votes for 7-8-9 for NDSU?

xcoffeex

[knucklehead]

Sounds like there were people voting NDSU 7, 8 or 9 in the poll per our beat writer. He is calling Haley out, saying he needs to fix his poll.

BTW he does vote in it and had NDSU #2

Tell your bet writer to keep it up. That poll is a pile.

[PantherRob82]

Change their name to Montana?

That team is playing at a very high level, almost won at EWU when they had VA. In fact I think that is their only FCS loss.

They could also not play multiple teams that are not D-I. xcoffeex

[dgtw]

Yeah, I was thinking we would be #3.

As a fan of the team just above you, I agree. I think the margin of your defeat played a role.

[rokamortis]

You remove the people who don't take voting seriously, his suggestion was to cut the poll by 50 to 100 voters. Quality over quantity.

My fix would be simpler, just post all the ballots online. People will become educated in a hurry if that happens.

I think the more voters the better, but you should have the right voters. Give all of the beat writers of all FCS teams a vote but remove the SIDs and other school personnel who likely aren't independent. I'd say you could let each conference have one vote from their SID. I also think that you should make the votes available for review but let the submitter be anonymous. Post them online and allow the public to make comments. No need for a reporter to get a barrage of hate mail from the dissatisfied fan base or have to spend all week defending why they put NDSU 4 or Coastal 7 or whatever.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

How do you fix people's opinions?

You hold them accountable and make them defend their ballot if they are doing ****ty work.

[caribbeanhen]

NOTHING is decided by polls. that's why I don't feel bad about not voting

[caribbeanhen]

Obviously you've seen a Villanova football game on TV then
Good lord there is never anybody there

It looks like a football game being played after the apocalypse...

and now the Delaware fans wont even go