Academically elite public schools who have a pretty good football program

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Anybody got anything for this?

[LehighU11]

FCS level: William & Mary. Delaware chemical engineering puts them in the conversation.:D

[WileECoyote06]

If this is FCS only:

The College of William and Mary
Lehigh (until this year anyway)
Fordham University
University of Richmond
Colgate University
Lafayette College
Furman University
Villanova University
Samford University

[Grizalltheway]

FCS level: William & Mary. Delaware chemical engineering puts them in the conversation.:D

I assume DuPont has something to do with that?

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If this is FCS only:

The College of William and Mary
Lehigh (until this year anyway)
Fordham University
University of Richmond
Colgate University
Lafayette College
Furman University
Villanova University
Samford University

Man, those are some pretty expensive public schools!

[NoDak 4 Ever]

"pretty good" is relative. You'd have to put Harvard and Yale in the conversation.

[WileECoyote06]

I assume DuPont has something to do with that?

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Man, those are some pretty expensive public schools!

lol. . my bad. YOu got me.

[kdinva]

(Public colleges in this thread)


If this is FCS only:

The College of William and Mary
Lehigh (until this year anyway)
Fordham University - private
University of Richmond - private
Colgate University - private
Lafayette College - private
Furman University - private
Villanova University
Samford University * private

lots of Private schools on a similar list, no doubt.

[danefan]

William & Mary is head and shoulders IMO.

Delaware is solid
Stony Brook is as well (that pains me but is true - AAU, etc....)

[LehighU11]

I assume DuPont has something to do with that?


Yup. DuPont, W.L. Gore, and a bunch of pharmaceuticals in the area.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Cornell... oops, you said "pretty good football program." Nevermind.

[Sader87]

This is a thread that won't end well......

[RabidRabbit]

SDSU is winning lots of academic accolades for it's athletes, including football. The two top seniors on the football squad, Zach Zenner and Jason Schneider are both 3.98 GPA in pre-med and pharmacy. In fact, Schneider is telling the NFL scouts, that he's not interested in pro ball, and will finish the season, then hang up cleets to grind (legal) meds. As a program, SDSU has led the MVFC academically most years since joining. 3 years out of 5 (so far) SDSU to the play-offs.

SDSU is doing substantially better in FCS than they did the last 30 in D-II.

[CHIP72]

If this is FCS only:

The College of William and Mary
Lehigh (until this year anyway)
Fordham University
University of Richmond
Colgate University
Lafayette College
Furman University
Villanova University
Samford University

As a couple people have already hinted, but aren't all of those schools private schools?

[IBleedYellow]

I'm only mentioning this because NDSU has been pushing this lately:

NDSU is in the top 108 of research Universities in the country.

[DFW HOYA]

Public schools? There are two:

William & Mary
Cornell

[citdog]

Public schools? There are two:

William & Mary
Cornell

US News and World Report begs to differ with you.

US News & World Report ranks The Citadel No. 1 for the FOURTH Straight YearCHARLESTON, S.C. – When it comes to getting a great education and the best value from a college with a strong commitment to undergraduate teaching, The Citadel once again ranks in the top slot in the South for its category, according to U.S. News & World Report (http://www.usnews.com/). The global news publisher released its 2015 Best Colleges rankings report today.http://www.citadel.edu/root/images/OEA/newsrelease_photos/2014-15/image.jpg
Highlights of The Citadel's 2015 U.S. News and World Report rankings include:
No. 1 Public College in the South (offering up to a master's degree)
• Citadel's overall score of 88 is the highest nationally for all public colleges in The Citadel's category.
• Citadel's average alumni giving rate of 27 percent is the highest nationally for all colleges, both public and private, in The Citadel's category.
No. 3 "Best Value" Among Public Colleges in the South in The Citadel's category.
No. 23 Undergraduate Engineering Program at schools without a doctoral program in The Citadel's category.
- See more at: http://www.citadel.edu/root/world-report-2015#sthash.fY0fRxnJ.dpuf


http://www.citadel.edu/root/world-report-2015

[DFW HOYA]

Understood, but an 80% admit rate at The Citadel isn't close to the other two.

[van]

US News and World Report begs to differ with you.

US News & World Report ranks The Citadel No. 1 for the FOURTH Straight Year

CHARLESTON, S.C. – When it comes to getting a great education and the best value from a college with a strong commitment to undergraduate teaching, The Citadel once again ranks in the top slot in the South for its category, according to U.S. News & World Report (http://www.usnews.com/). The global news publisher released its 2015 Best Colleges rankings report today.http://www.citadel.edu/root/images/OEA/newsrelease_photos/2014-15/image.jpg
Highlights of The Citadel's 2015 U.S. News and World Report rankings include:
No. 1 Public College in the South (offering up to a master's degree)
• Citadel's overall score of 88 is the highest nationally for all public colleges in The Citadel's category.
• Citadel's average alumni giving rate of 27 percent is the highest nationally for all colleges, both public and private, in The Citadel's category.
No. 3 "Best Value" Among Public Colleges in the South in The Citadel's category.
No. 23 Undergraduate Engineering Program at schools without a doctoral program in The Citadel's category.
- See more at: http://www.citadel.edu/root/world-report-2015#sthash.fY0fRxnJ.dpuf


http://www.citadel.edu/root/world-report-2015

so far we have a list of private schools with strong football tradition and now a public school with a poor football program

[Catsfan90]

Public schools? There are two:

William & Mary
Cornell
Cornell is definitely private.

[downbythebeach]

University of phoenix

[kalm]

I'm pretty sure both Davis and Cal Poly have solid academic reputations. Poly has a pretty good football program, while Davis has struggled since joining the BSC.

[citdog]

so far we have a list of private schools with strong football tradition and now a public school with a poor football program

Said public school would kick the **** out of your squad any day of the week and twice on the Sabbath.

[Catsfan90]

University of phoenix
Devry

[UNHWildcat18]

US News and World Report begs to differ with you.

US News & World Report ranks The Citadel No. 1 for the FOURTH Straight Year

CHARLESTON, S.C. – When it comes to getting a great education and the best value from a college with a strong commitment to undergraduate teaching, The Citadel once again ranks in the top slot in the South for its category, according to U.S. News & World Report (http://www.usnews.com/). The global news publisher released its 2015 Best Colleges rankings report today.http://www.citadel.edu/root/images/OEA/newsrelease_photos/2014-15/image.jpg
Highlights of The Citadel's 2015 U.S. News and World Report rankings include:
No. 1 Public College in the South (offering up to a master's degree)
• Citadel's overall score of 88 is the highest nationally for all public colleges in The Citadel's category.
• Citadel's average alumni giving rate of 27 percent is the highest nationally for all colleges, both public and private, in The Citadel's category.
No. 3 "Best Value" Among Public Colleges in the South in The Citadel's category.
No. 23 Undergraduate Engineering Program at schools without a doctoral program in The Citadel's category.
- See more at: http://www.citadel.edu/root/world-report-2015#sthash.fY0fRxnJ.dpuf


http://www.citadel.edu/root/world-report-2015


Key word "in the south"

[UNHWildcat18]

UNH..... 45 in forbes ranking, didn't bother checking which 1-44 were fcs. I know W&M was 6th though. anyone who says otherwise can drive their ass over here and try going through the UNH chemistry program.

[KPSUL]

My vote for #1
William and Mary maybe the only truly elite public college with an excellent football program.

[frozennorth]

Traditionally, Uc davis wins this in a land slide. They suck now though.

[melloware13]

From the CAA, W&M is top with Stony Brook (due to being in the AAU) as second. UD is a weird case as being private chartered but receiving some public money. At the FBS level, there are some conferences (PAC 12 and B1G) that all publics would be on that list, while some others (SEC) have primarily weak public schools.

[heath]

US News and World Report begs to differ with you.

US News & World Report ranks The Citadel No. 1 for the FOURTH Straight Year

CHARLESTON, S.C. – When it comes to getting a great education and the best value from a college with a strong commitment to undergraduate teaching, The Citadel once again ranks in the top slot in the South for its category, according to U.S. News & World Report (http://www.usnews.com/). The global news publisher released its 2015 Best Colleges rankings report today.http://www.citadel.edu/root/images/OEA/newsrelease_photos/2014-15/image.jpg
Highlights of The Citadel's 2015 U.S. News and World Report rankings include:
No. 1 Public College in the South (offering up to a master's degree)
• Citadel's overall score of 88 is the highest nationally for all public colleges in The Citadel's category.
• Citadel's average alumni giving rate of 27 percent is the highest nationally for all colleges, both public and private, in The Citadel's category.
No. 3 "Best Value" Among Public Colleges in the South in The Citadel's category.
No. 23 Undergraduate Engineering Program at schools without a doctoral program in The Citadel's category.
- See more at: http://www.citadel.edu/root/world-report-2015#sthash.fY0fRxnJ.dpuf


http://www.citadel.edu/root/world-report-2015
Leave it to the Prez of the Confederate states of the past to once again such nonsense. There is no $$ value in the south as everyone is dirt poor,so what does the best value mean? and YOU are located in the south.(period) The thread said academically elite not academically inferior.

[PAllen]

Cornell is definitely private.

SUNY Ithaca's Ag school is most definitely public.

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Leave it to the Prez of the Confederate states of the past to once again such nonsense. There is no $$ value in the south as everyone is dirt poor,so what does the best value mean? and YOU are located in the south.(period) The thread said academically elite not academically inferior.

Jesus Heath, "The Fan" much?

[JimLU]

(Public colleges in this thread)



lots of Private schools on a similar list, no doubt.
I may have misunderstood the original post, but of the list in question, only William & Mary is publicly funded. Lehigh through Samford are all privately funded, independent institutions.

[Ivytalk]

US News and World Report begs to differ with you.

US News & World Report ranks The Citadel No. 1 for the FOURTH Straight YearCHARLESTON, S.C. – When it comes to getting a great education and the best value from a college with a strong commitment to undergraduate teaching, The Citadel once again ranks in the top slot in the South for its category, according to U.S. News & World


Report (http://www.usnews.com/). The global news publisher released its 2015 Best Colleges rankings report today.http://www.citadel.edu/root/images/OEA/newsrelease_photos/2014-15/image.jpg
Highlights of The Citadel's 2015 U.S. News and World Report rankings include:
No. 1 Public College in the South (offering up to a master's degree)

• Citadel's overall score of 88 is the highest nationally for all public colleges in The Citadel's category.
• Citadel's average alumni giving rate of 27 percent is the highest nationally for all colleges, both public and private, in The Citadel's category.
No. 3 "Best Value" Among Public Colleges in the South in The


Citadel's category.
No. 23 Undergraduate Engineering Program at schools without a doctoral program in The Citadel's category.
- See more at: http://www.citadel.edu/root/world-report-2015#sthash.fY0fRxnJ.dpuf



http://www.citadel.edu/root/world-report-2015


Do they offer mental health services?

[Ivytalk]

Bill & Mary. Albany. Stony Brook. UD.

[Green26]

Most of the Ivies should be on the list. Not Columbia. This year, Harvard, Dartmouth and probably Yale. Historically, Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, Penn and maybe Princeton. Cornell in the Marinaro years.

[BucBisonAtLarge]

Cal Poly, UC Davis, Stony Brook, Albany, William & Mary, and the SUNY Aggies at Ithaca all are academically competitive. W&M is best football of those.

[citdog]

Leave it to the Prez of the Confederate states of the past to once again such nonsense. There is no $$ value in the south as everyone is dirt poor,so what does the best value mean? and YOU are located in the south.(period) The thread said academically elite not academically inferior.

You yankees SURE like electing the Governors of these "dirt poor former Confederate States" to be your President don't y'all! The title of the thread was PUBLIC colleges. Your disdain and hatred for the South and her people is palpable. Where are all the factories and population moving to again? Still embarrassed that it took y'all almost five years to whip us? Or are you feeling a bit inferior because you are Ellis Island trash?

[dwtime]

You yankees SURE like electing the Governors of these "dirt poor former Confederate States" to be your President don't y'all! The title of the thread was PUBLIC colleges. Your disdain and hatred for the South and her people is palpable. Where are all the factories and population moving to again? Still embarrassed that it took y'all almost five years to whip us? Or are you feeling a bit inferior because you are Ellis Island trash?

Wait, what?

[kalm]

You yankees SURE like electing the Governors of these "dirt poor former Confederate States" to be your President don't y'all! The title of the thread was PUBLIC colleges. Your disdain and hatred for the South and her people is palpable. Where are all the factories and population moving to again? Still embarrassed that it took y'all almost five years to whip us? Or are you feeling a bit inferior because you are Ellis Island trash?

So the south has become the new Bangladesh? Congrats...I guess.

[citdog]

So the south has become the new Bangladesh? Congrats...I guess.

I don't think so. Honda, BMW, VW, and Boeing don't seem to think so either.

[cpalum]

Cal Poly, UC Davis, Stony Brook, Albany, William & Mary, and the SUNY Aggies at Ithaca all are academically competitive. W&M is best football of those.


This is the right list (bravo for covering east and west) but over the past 10 or so years it seams like Cal Poly has been as competitive as W&M in football




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[UNHFan]

UNH ranks with the likes of Navy..Stanford when it comes GSR

[GoAgs72]

UC Davis is in the top 10 of public universities every year. They are also one of the largest FCS schools at 34,000. Fortunately or unfortunately, they haven't dropped academic standards too much like UC Berkeley (Cal) for athletes. They try to be like Stanford but don't have the money or the nationwide reputation to pull it off in athletics.

[Twentysix]

I'm pretty sure both Davis and Cal Poly have solid academic reputations. Poly has a pretty good football program, while Davis has struggled since joining the BSC.

UC-Davis is the 55th best school in the world when using an aggregate of all departments, etc. 35th in the USA. Cal-Poly isn't in the top 500.

Cal poly is a good school, it just isn't on UC-Davis' level.

No other FCS public is in the top 100.

The criteria is as listed below:



Criteria
Indicator
Code
Weight


Quality of Education
Alumni of an institution winning Nobel Prizes and Fields Medals
Alumni
10%


Quality of Faculty
Staff of an institution winning Nobel Prizes and Fields Medals
Award
20%


Highly cited researchers in 21 broad subject categories
HiCi
20%


Research Output
Papers published in Nature and Science*
N&S
20%


Papers indexed in Science Citation Index-expanded and Social Science Citation Index
PUB
20%


Per Capita Performance
Per capita academic performance of an institution
PCP
10%


Total


100%



If you include privates Harvard is #1 in the world, princeton is 6, columbia is 8, yale is 11, cornell is 13. No other FCS schools, public or private, are in the top 100.

[GoAgs72]

UC Davis is a well-kept secret outside of California. UC San Diego, UC Santa Barbara and UC Irvine are great schools also academically but don't have football. Most people only know about UCLA and Cal in the UC system. I would say Cal Poly is the top school in the California State University system which is completely separate from the University of California.

[TheBoyWhoSeaWolf]

I got my degree from Stony Brook way back when. It was a really good (tough) school then for Engineering and hard sciences. It's way harder now. I'd never get accepted if I was applying this year ... also now there is less mud ... and fewer brutalist concrete slabs.

[Twentysix]

UC Davis is a well-kept secret outside of California. UC San Diego, UC Santa Barbara and UC Irvine are great schools also academically but don't have football. Most people only know about UCLA and Cal in the UC system. I would say Cal Poly is the top school in the California State University system which is completely separate from the University of California.

Yeah UC-D has got excellent programs all around, but their Computer Science and Life/Ag sciences are what really help their overall rankings.


On a side note, UC-D and Stonybrook have both lost significant ground in the world academic rankings. UC-D has lost about 20 spots in the last decade, Stony brook has fallen more than 100 spots.

[GoAgs72]

Yeah UC-D has got excellent programs all around, but their Computer Science and Life/Ag sciences are what really help their overall rankings.


On a side note, UC-D and Stonybrook have both lost significant ground in the world academic rankings. UC-D has lost about 20 spots in the last decade, Stony brook has fallen more than 100 spots.

My daughter just got her BS in Aerospace Engineering at UC Davis - it got her a full ride to Stanford for graduate school.

[Cocky]

Coastal Carolina
Weber State
SF Austin
Missouri St
Montana St
towson

[chattownmocs]

I've got some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you if you believe there is much difference in any of these schools. How could you possibly determine this?

[Go...gate]

You yankees SURE like electing the Governors of these "dirt poor former Confederate States" to be your President don't y'all! The title of the thread was PUBLIC colleges. Your disdain and hatred for the South and her people is palpable. Where are all the factories and population moving to again? Still embarrassed that it took y'all almost five years to whip us? Or are you feeling a bit inferior because you are Ellis Island trash?

Understand your outrage, citdog, but this might be going a little far.

[Twentysix]

I've got some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you if you believe there is much difference in any of these schools. How could you possibly determine this?

Success of Alumni and Faculty is the general metric used.