Miami DE shot and killed

[AppGuy04]

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylt=An_bZWSXXBxRSFAXyZmWI_s5nYcB?slug=ap-miami-playerkilled&prov=ap&type=lgns

University of Miami defensive end Bryan Pata was shot and killed Tuesday night, shortly after leaving the practice field, school officials said.

The circumstances around Pata's death were not immediately clear, and Miami-Dade police refused to release specific information about what happened. A formal announcement was expected from the university later Tuesday.

[catamount man]

Sad. Now, they have to bury a teammate 4 days before they take the field at Maryland. I swear Miami, FL is one town I have NO DESIRE to ever visit. God bless his memory and his family!

GO CATAMOUNTS!!!

[ASU Kep]

While I hope Miami never again wins a football game against ANYBODY, it's certainly sad to see this.

[monmouthhawk]

Bad news...RIP

[Blue Hen Nation]

What the hell is going on down there with that football team. What a shame! : smh :

[B&G]

Yet another black eye on Miami's program. The Coker regime must go. He has proven he doesn't have a handle on the program.

[AZGrizFan]

Sad. Now, they have to bury a teammate 4 days before they take the field at Maryland. I swear Miami, FL is one town I have NO DESIRE to ever visit. God bless his memory and his family!

GO CATAMOUNTS!!!

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, catman. Miami is a very nice city with an excellent nightlife scene, and South Beach can not be duplicated....I would highly recommend a visit, such that the "U" is not your only impression of that area. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[walliver]

Apparently he was shot at his apartment complex. I think the NCAA did the wrong thing by banning athlete dorms. It seems some of these athletes get into too much trouble living off campus.

[lambertjr]

Yet another black eye on Miami's program. The Coker regime must go. He has proven he doesn't have a handle on the program.
Are you actually blaming what happened on the coach???:nono:
This Man was one of the bright lights on this team and was killed off campus several hours after practice.
You are entitled to your opinion but saying Coker had any control over this event is just unfounded.

[catamount man]

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, catman. Miami is a very nice city with an excellent nightlife scene, and South Beach can not be duplicated....I would highly recommend a visit, such that the "U" is not your only impression of that area. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Agreed. PLEASE tell me that the chicks in your avatar massaged each other's boobies after this picture was made.:eek: :D xlolx

GO CATAMOUNTS!!!

[B&G]

Are you actually blaming what happened on the coach???:nono:
This Man was one of the bright lights on this team and was killed off campus several hours after practice.
You are entitled to your opinion but saying Coker had any control over this event is just unfounded.

Firstly, before you tsk tsk me, I would like to know who you root for in 1-A football. My team has always been Miami. So maybe there is just a little bit more emotion in my response than most people have. I know the coach can't control everything but it is ridiculous how many negative incidents have happened off the field under Coker's "leadership." I'm not willing to absolve him from this.

[AppGuy04]

Unless a Miami player is on the guilty end, you can't possibly blame Coker or the university

[B&G]

Unless a Miami player is on the guilty end, you can't possibly blame Coker or the university

The way things are going, would you predict a Miami player didn't do it? I sure as hell wouldn't.

And I can blame whoever I want.

[AppGuy04]

And I can blame whoever I want.

Sure you can, but you sound a little ridiculous in doing so

[Retro]

You can't blame this incident on the coach, because we don't know the facts...

Coker is to blame for the onfield actions of his players like the fight with FIU and the stomping of the Louisville logo.. That kind of taunting and non-discipline should have been stopped in previous years too... If a coach has the guts, then he can put an end to that crap.. That stuff does carry over off the field for some players and especially young groups of them out in public....

It may result in the suspension or benching of some good players, but you can't go by their usual win at all costs or win with whatever players we can sign attitude.

[B&G]

For the record, I never blamed this particular incident on Coker. I am blaming the downward spiral the program is seeing on him. Miami needs a fresh start. Can anyone argue with me that Coker hasn't lost control? I don't think so. Can anyone argue with me that during his tenure the program has taken a big hit both on the field and off from Butch Davis' regime? I don't think you can. An incident here and there is understandable.

And if you think a coach doesn't have some influence over what happens off the field, then you are misinformed.

I gave my opinion and I stick to it. Feel free to share your own opinion but don't attack mine.

[AppGuy04]

For the record, I never blamed this particular incident on Coker. I am blaming the downward spiral the program is seeing on him. Miami needs a fresh start. Can anyone argue with me that Coker hasn't lost control? I don't think so. Can anyone argue with me that during his tenure the program has taken a big hit both on the field and off from Butch Davis' regime? I don't think you can. An incident here and there is understandable.

And if you think a coach doesn't have some influence over what happens off the field, then you are misinformed.

I gave my opinion and I stick to it. Feel free to share your own opinion but don't attack mine.

I agree the other instances he had some degree of control over, but this one he had none. If anything, the university is to blame for letting big time athletes live off campus. Coker or anyone else for that matter, had no control over this situation. I'm sure some of this had to do with Pata being a Miami player, but for all we know, this was a random act of violence.

and.....
I'm not willing to absolve him from this sounds like placing blame to me

Please tell me how Coker could have controlled anything in this instance and this instance alone. If the answer is, he couldn't, then you should absolve him of any fault in THIS incident. Nobody is asking you to absolve him of any other instance, only this one.

[B&G]

I agree the other instances he had some degree of control over, but this one he had none. If anything, the university is to blame for letting big time athletes live off campus. Coker or anyone else for that matter, had no control over this situation. I'm sure some of this had to do with Pata being a Miami player, but for all we know, this was a random act of violence.

Please tell me how Coker could have controlled anything in this instance and this instance alone. If the answer is, he couldn't, then you should absolve him of any fault in THIS incident. Nobody is asking you to absolve him of any other instance, only this one.

There is direct blame and indirect blame. Direct blame would be Coker firing the gun. Or personally putting Pata in danger. Indirect blame? That could be a number of things and yes I will put some of that on Coker. I actually like the guy but he appears to be in over his head. I am angry about what happened. Part of my thinking is irrational but most of it isn't. Even to the point of where I predicted something like this would happen before the end of the year. Not a homicide but some sort of assault.

How could Coker control it? I don't know... how do the other 120 Division 1-A Coaches manage to keep their players in line? Maybe institute some awareness classes for players since they are treated with a measure of fame playing for Miami. That's off the top of my head. Pay me to be an AD and I'll come up with 20 more ways.

Personally I do think this was a (not so) random act of violence. Probably a botched robbery attempt or something of the ilk. We shall see.

It's funny how this has been mangled from my original comment (Yet another black eye on Miami's program. The Coker regime must go. He has proven he doesn't have a handle on the program) to what the conversation has become now.

[jstate83]

What in the he!! do the U of M and Coker have to do with some jacked up street monster shooting someone for no reason.

The President of U of M could have been walking beside this guy and not prevented this.: smh :
Heck..................She would probably be dead too.: smh :

Newsflash...................You don't have to be doing anything to get shot.
Idiot's will kill people they have never seen before at random just as a gang iniciation.

If this is an indication of something Coker should have prevented, then what about the coach at Dusquine? where all those Basketball players were shot by random street fools for no reason?

[B&G]

What in the he!! do the U of M and Coker have to do with some jacked up street monster shooting someone for no reason.

The President of U of M could have been walking beside this guy and not prevented this.: smh :
Heck..................She would probably be dead too.: smh :

Newsflash...................You don't have to be doing anything to get shot.
Idiot's will kill people they have never seen before at random just as a gang iniciation.

If this is an indication of something Coker should have prevented, then what about the coach at Dusquine? where all those Basketball players were shot by random street fools for no reason?

You just blew my mind.

[jstate83]

You just blew my mind.

Deep..........xsmileyclapx ............Care to splain? xcoffeex

[AppGuy04]

Indirect blame?

such as????


how do the other 120 Division 1-A Coaches manage to keep their players in line? He has proven he doesn't have a handle on the program to what the conversation has become now.

Maybe because those coaches don't recruit thugs with criminal records. Makes it a little easier don't ya think. He may not have a handle on the program, but until Miami changes the players they recruit, they will always be known as THUG U!

Miami fans are ridiculous. You always want to blame the coach. How about some responsibility on behalf of the players. The 100+ other schools have that. Why doesn't Miami? Hell, the 1 game suspension earlier this year showed as much.

[ASU Kep]

You just blew my mind.

He made perfect sense to me. Just because a guy gets shot doesn't mean he did anything to deserve it. There are lots of f'ed up people out there that'll kill other human beings over anything. No coach can prevent that.

And he made reference to the Duqesne shootings a few months back where some punk shot four or five members of their bball team. Nobody placed blame on the coach in that situation, so why here?

I think Cocker should be fired, too, but this tragic incident has nothing to do with it. Hell, I think Miami football should be dropped altogether.

[AppGuy04]

Hell, I think Miami football should be dropped altogether.

:nod: :nod: Thats the lesson that Shawhatta should be sending, not a slap on the wrist.:nod: :nod:

[lambertjr]

Firstly, before you tsk tsk me, I would like to know who you root for in 1-A football. My team has always been Miami. So maybe there is just a little bit more emotion in my response than most people have. I know the coach can't control everything but it is ridiculous how many negative incidents have happened off the field under Coker's "leadership." I'm not willing to absolve him from this.

Hey B&G, Navy,LSU, and Hawai'i are my favorites but I follow several others including Miami. I do agree with you that the coach has influence on most things involving the program. Unless there has been some new info I just can't include this senseless act.