Top FCS Scoring Defenses

[World]

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*** 2014 NCAA FCS Team Scoring Defense Stats ***
(Complete through Saturday, October 11th)

From The Sports Network

SCORING DEFENSE

Rank Team G TD OXP 2PT DXP FGM Saf Pts Avg
1. North Dakota St. 6 6 6 0 0 3 0 51 8.5
2. Illinois St. 5 5 2 0 0 5 1 49 9.8
3. Harvard 4 5 3 0 0 3 0 42 10.5
4. Stony Brook 7 9 5 1 0 8 0 85 12.1
5. Alcorn 7 12 11 0 0 6 1 103 14.7
6. N.C. A&T 7 12 9 0 0 8 0 105 15.0
6. Eastern Ky. 6 10 9 0 0 7 0 90 15.0
8. Sacred Heart 6 13 10 0 0 1 0 91 15.2
9. Tennessee St. 7 14 11 1 0 4 0 109 15.6
10. Coastal Caro. 7 14 12 0 0 6 0 114 16.3
11. Bryant 5 11 10 1 0 2 0 84 16.8
12. Montana 6 10 9 1 0 10 0 101 16.8
13. UNI 6 14 12 0 0 4 0 108 18.0
13. Norfolk St. 7 15 13 0 0 7 1 126 18.0
15. Charleston So. 6 12 10 2 1 7 0 109 18.2
16. Albany (NY) 6 14 13 0 0 5 0 112 18.7
16. Villanova 6 14 13 0 0 5 0 112 18.7
18. Georgetown 7 16 15 0 0 6 1 131 18.7
19. McNeese St. 5 12 11 0 0 4 0 95 19.0
19. Brown 4 10 7 0 0 3 0 76 19.0
21. Colgate 6 14 10 1 0 7 0 117 19.5
22. Southeastern La. 7 19 15 2 0 2 0 139 19.9
23. Indiana St. 6 13 12 0 0 10 0 120 20.0
24. Morgan St. 6 14 12 0 0 8 1 122 20.3
24. Furman 6 16 14 0 0 4 0 122 20.3
26. Fordham 7 17 12 1 0 9 0 143 20.4
27. Bucknell 6 16 15 0 0 4 0 123 20.5
28. Southern Ill. 7 17 16 1 0 8 0 144 20.6
29. Youngstown St. 6 16 13 0 0 5 0 124 20.7
29. Western Caro. 6 16 13 0 0 5 0 124 20.7
31. Chattanooga 6 17 14 0 0 4 0 128 21.3
31. Bethune-Cookman 6 14 11 0 0 11 0 128 21.3
33. Mercer 7 20 17 1 0 5 0 154 22.0
33. Wagner 6 17 14 2 0 4 0 132 22.0
35. Western Ill. 7 19 18 0 0 7 1 155 22.1
36. Gardner-Webb 6 15 12 2 0 9 0 133 22.2
37. Marist 7 20 18 0 0 6 0 156 22.3
38. William & Mary 6 18 15 1 0 3 0 134 22.3
39. Monmouth 6 18 16 0 0 4 0 136 22.7
40. North Dakota 7 19 16 0 0 9 1 159 22.7
41. South Dakota St. 6 19 15 0 0 3 0 138 23.0
42. Duquesne 6 17 16 0 0 7 0 139 23.2
42. Drake 6 18 14 1 0 5 0 139 23.2
44. Princeton 4 11 10 1 0 5 0 93 23.3
45. Jacksonville 6 18 15 1 0 5 0 140 23.3
46. Texas Southern 6 17 13 1 0 7 2 142 23.7
47. Central Conn. St. 6 20 16 1 0 1 1 143 23.8
47. Maine 6 17 14 0 0 9 0 143 23.8
47. New Hampshire 6 18 14 0 0 7 0 143 23.8
50. San Diego 5 16 12 0 0 4 0 120 24.0
50. South Carolina St. 7 21 19 0 0 7 1 168 24.0
50. Missouri St. 6 17 16 1 0 8 0 144 24.0
53. Alabama St. 7 21 17 0 1 8 1 171 24.4
54. Dayton 5 16 13 1 0 4 0 123 24.6
55. Lafayette 6 18 16 1 1 7 0 149 24.8
56. Samford 5 16 15 1 0 4 0 125 25.0
57. Delaware 6 19 15 0 0 8 0 153 25.5
58. Holy Cross 7 24 21 0 0 5 0 180 25.7
59. Tennessee Tech 6 19 19 0 0 9 0 160 26.7
60. Wofford 6 20 17 1 0 7 1 162 27.0
61. Stephen F. Austin 6 22 20 0 0 4 0 164 27.3
61. Jacksonville St. 6 21 20 0 0 6 0 164 27.3
63. Butler 6 22 18 1 0 5 0 167 27.8
64. Richmond 6 22 17 2 0 5 0 168 28.0
65. Jackson St. 7 24 24 0 0 9 1 197 28.1
66. Northern Ariz. 6 22 20 1 0 5 0 169 28.2
67. Central Ark. 7 27 20 1 0 5 0 199 28.4
67. Southeast Mo. St. 7 26 23 1 0 6 0 199 28.4
69. Presbyterian 6 23 22 0 0 4 0 172 28.7
70. Citadel 6 21 20 1 0 9 0 175 29.2
71. Florida A&M 6 21 20 0 0 10 0 176 29.3
72. Delaware St. 7 25 22 2 0 10 0 206 29.4
73. Northern Colo. 6 21 19 0 0 10 1 177 29.5
74. Dartmouth 4 16 12 1 0 3 1 121 30.3
75. Valparaiso 6 24 21 1 0 5 0 182 30.3
76. Cornell 4 16 14 0 0 4 0 122 30.5
77. Towson 7 29 24 1 0 4 1 214 30.6
78. James Madison 7 30 28 1 0 2 0 216 30.9
79. Cal Poly 6 25 23 1 0 4 0 187 31.2
79. N.C. Central 6 25 22 0 0 5 0 187 31.2
81. UT Martin 7 29 28 0 0 6 0 220 31.4
82. Campbell 6 25 22 0 0 6 0 190 31.7
83. Eastern Ill. 6 24 24 0 0 7 1 191 31.8
84. South Dakota 6 26 22 1 0 5 0 195 32.5
84. Elon 6 25 24 0 0 7 0 195 32.5
86. Grambling 7 29 24 2 0 9 0 229 32.7
87. Prairie View 6 24 22 0 0 11 0 199 33.2
88. Northwestern St. 6 26 23 0 0 7 0 200 33.3
89. Lamar 7 30 27 0 0 9 0 234 33.4
90. Saint Francis (PA) 6 27 25 1 0 4 0 201 33.5
91. Hampton 6 27 22 2 0 5 0 203 33.8
92. Yale 4 19 16 2 0 1 0 137 34.3
93. Liberty 7 32 29 2 0 5 0 240 34.3
94. Portland St. 6 26 26 0 0 8 0 206 34.3
95. Weber St. 6 26 24 0 0 9 0 207 34.5
96. Alabama A&M 7 33 31 0 0 4 1 243 34.7
96. Montana St. 7 32 24 2 0 7 1 243 34.7
98. Sam Houston St. 6 27 24 2 0 7 0 211 35.2
99. Howard 7 34 30 1 0 4 0 248 35.4
100. Eastern Wash. 7 34 28 2 0 5 0 251 35.9
101. Mississippi Val. 7 33 31 0 0 8 0 253 36.1
102. Sacramento St. 7 33 28 1 0 8 1 254 36.3
103. Stetson 6 30 26 0 0 4 0 218 36.3
104. Houston Baptist 6 31 26 1 0 2 0 220 36.7
105. Southern U. 7 34 33 1 0 7 0 260 37.1
106. Idaho St. 6 31 29 0 0 3 0 224 37.3
107. Southern Utah 7 35 34 1 1 5 0 263 37.6
108. Robert Morris 6 27 26 0 0 13 1 229 38.2
109. Ark.-Pine Bluff 5 26 23 0 0 4 0 191 38.2
110. Rhode Island 6 30 30 0 0 9 2 241 40.2
111. Lehigh 5 27 22 2 0 5 0 203 40.6
112. Davidson 7 38 32 2 0 8 0 288 41.1
113. UC Davis 6 33 32 0 0 6 0 248 41.3
114. Penn 4 22 18 2 0 4 0 166 41.5
115. Morehead St. 6 33 27 3 1 7 0 254 42.3
116. Savannah St. 6 37 32 1 0 1 0 259 43.2
117. Murray St. 6 33 30 1 0 10 0 260 43.3
118. VMI 7 44 41 0 0 1 1 310 44.3
119. Columbia 4 26 23 1 0 3 0 190 47.5
120. Austin Peay 6 42 42 0 0 3 0 303 50.5
121. Nicholls St. 7 49 47 1 0 5 1 360 51.4


10/13 10:35:04 ET

[Herder]

So, what does it take to get Illinois State ranked where they deserve to be ranked. Look at all the 2 loss and 1 loss teams that are ranked ahead of them. IL State has not lost a game, and is barely scratching the top 10. Is that a team that would lose to Coastal Carolina, No way.

[World]

A quick look at strength of schedule might help solve your question

[thebootfitter]

So, what does it take to get Illinois State ranked where they deserve to be ranked. Look at all the 2 loss and 1 loss teams that are ranked ahead of them. IL State has not lost a game, and is barely scratching the top 10. Is that a team that would lose to Coastal Carolina, No way.
As long as they keep winning (or even dropping a game or two as long as they're competitive), they'll make the playoffs. From there, it doesn't matter what they're ranked. Go undefeated, and you can be assured of a seed in the playoffs.

I guess my point is that recognition in the polls are nice, but ultimately doesn't matter as much as what they do on the field each week.

[Bisonator]

A quick look at strength of schedule might help solve your question

Yeah ISUr's OOC was beyond weak.

[BisonBacker]

A quick look at strength of schedule might help solve your question

This pretty much sums it up...



9/6/2014
Mississippi Valley State

Normal, Ill.
W 62-0 (http://www.goredbirds.com/news/2014/9/6/FB_0906145102.aspx?path=football) Box Score (http://www.goredbirds.com/boxscore.aspx?path=football&id=7359)




9/13/2014
Eastern Illinois

Normal, Ill.
W 34-15 (http://www.goredbirds.com/news/2014/9/13/FB_0913140811.aspx?path=football) Box Score (http://www.goredbirds.com/boxscore.aspx?path=football&id=4151)




9/27/2014
Austin Peay

Normal, Ill.
W 55-6 (http://www.goredbirds.com/news/2014/9/27/FB_0927140947.aspx?path=football) Box Score (http://www.goredbirds.com/boxscore.aspx?path=football&id=4152)




10/4/2014
South Dakota St.
*
Normal, Ill.
W 45-10 (http://www.goredbirds.com/news/2014/10/4/FB_1004141637.aspx?path=football) Box Score (http://www.goredbirds.com/boxscore.aspx?path=football&id=4153)




10/11/2014
Indiana State
*
Terre Haute, Ind.
W 20-18 (http://www.goredbirds.com/news/2014/10/11/FB_1011143536.aspx?path=football) Box Score (http://www.goredbirds.com/boxscore.aspx?path=football&id=4154)





SOS and history isn't working in your favor....

[tomq04]

Took me about 3 takes, I thought this was saying that NDSU had scored 6 defensive touchdowns in 6 games...either way you read it... impressive.

[thebootfitter]

This may exist already, but what I think would be interesting is a defensive power rating that essentially looks at how well a defense performs against the average output of the offense they are facing. I suspect this is probably similar to what Massey does in his defensive and offensive power ratings.

For example, the Big Sky conference is generally regarded as having weak defenses, but also higher powered offenses. So you would generally expect the higher powered offenses to score more against even a decent defense. How much do these factors offset each other when looking at purely points scored? At this point in the season, the stats are still greatly influenced by non-conference games, so it's probably fair to say that the facts back up the idea that the Big Sky generally has weaker defenses. (Montana is an outlier. So is UND, believe it or not.)


12. Montana 16.8
40. North Dakota 22.7
66. Northern Ariz. 28.2
73. Northern Colo. 29.5
79. Cal Poly 31.2
94. Portland St. 34.3
95. Weber St. 34.5
96. Montana St. 34.7
100. Eastern Wash. 35.9
102. Sacramento St. 36.3
106. Idaho St. 37.3
107. Southern Utah 37.6
113. UC Davis 41.3

[Mattymc727]

This may exist already, but what I think would be interesting is a defensive power rating that essentially looks at how well a defense performs against the average output of the offense they are facing. I suspect this is probably similar to what Massey does in his defensive and offensive power ratings.

For example, the Big Sky conference is generally regarded as having weak defenses, but also higher powered offenses. So you would generally expect the higher powered offenses to score more against even a decent defense. How much do these factors offset each other when looking at purely points scored? At this point in the season, the stats are still greatly influenced by non-conference games, so it's probably fair to say that the facts back up the idea that the Big Sky generally has weaker defenses. (Montana is an outlier. So is UND, believe it or not.)


12. Montana 16.8
40. North Dakota 22.7
66. Northern Ariz. 28.2
73. Northern Colo. 29.5
79. Cal Poly 31.2
94. Portland St. 34.3
95. Weber St. 34.5
96. Montana St. 34.7
100. Eastern Wash. 35.9
102. Sacramento St. 36.3
106. Idaho St. 37.3
107. Southern Utah 37.6
113. UC Davis 41.3


I think thats a pretty solid point. So far everyone has been clamoring for the Stony Brook defense, yet they have played some very poor offenses.

Offensive output from teams SBU has played (Against FCS competition):

Bryant: 13, 13, 2, 34
UND: 16, 0, 13, 18, 15, 16
W&M: 42, 29, 33, 27, 3
Towson: 27, 21, 31, 24, 3, 7
Maine: 10, 10, 27, 20, 7

Those W&M and Towson scores came against some light competition too (Until they started their CAA slate)...

SBU also held UConn to 19 points. Uconn has put up these offensive scoring outputs 10, 19, 21, 14, 10, and 3 against Tulane...

[Grizalltheway]

This may exist already, but what I think would be interesting is a defensive power rating that essentially looks at how well a defense performs against the average output of the offense they are facing. I suspect this is probably similar to what Massey does in his defensive and offensive power ratings.

For example, the Big Sky conference is generally regarded as having weak defenses, but also higher powered offenses. So you would generally expect the higher powered offenses to score more against even a decent defense. How much do these factors offset each other when looking at purely points scored? At this point in the season, the stats are still greatly influenced by non-conference games, so it's probably fair to say that the facts back up the idea that the Big Sky generally has weaker defenses. (Montana is an outlier. So is UND, believe it or not.)


12. Montana 16.8
40. North Dakota 22.7
66. Northern Ariz. 28.2
73. Northern Colo. 29.5
79. Cal Poly 31.2
94. Portland St. 34.3
95. Weber St. 34.5
96. Montana St. 34.7
100. Eastern Wash. 35.9
102. Sacramento St. 36.3
106. Idaho St. 37.3
107. Southern Utah 37.6
113. UC Davis 41.3

Huh. I was told UND's defense was better than Montana's.

[robsnotes4u]

So, what does it take to get Illinois State ranked where they deserve to be ranked. Look at all the 2 loss and 1 loss teams that are ranked ahead of them. IL State has not lost a game, and is barely scratching the top 10. Is that a team that would lose to Coastal Carolina, No way.

out of 252 rated Div 1 teams your are your SOS is rated 202

[Sycamore62]

This pretty much sums it up...



9/6/2014
Mississippi Valley State

Normal, Ill.
W 62-0 (http://www.goredbirds.com/news/2014/9/6/FB_0906145102.aspx?path=football) Box Score (http://www.goredbirds.com/boxscore.aspx?path=football&id=7359)




9/13/2014
Eastern Illinois

Normal, Ill.
W 34-15 (http://www.goredbirds.com/news/2014/9/13/FB_0913140811.aspx?path=football) Box Score (http://www.goredbirds.com/boxscore.aspx?path=football&id=4151)




9/27/2014
Austin Peay

Normal, Ill.
W 55-6 (http://www.goredbirds.com/news/2014/9/27/FB_0927140947.aspx?path=football) Box Score (http://www.goredbirds.com/boxscore.aspx?path=football&id=4152)




10/4/2014
South Dakota St.
*
Normal, Ill.
W 45-10 (http://www.goredbirds.com/news/2014/10/4/FB_1004141637.aspx?path=football) Box Score (http://www.goredbirds.com/boxscore.aspx?path=football&id=4153)




10/11/2014
Indiana State *(-Perish)
*
Terre Haute, Ind.
W 20-18 (http://www.goredbirds.com/news/2014/10/11/FB_1011143536.aspx?path=football) Box Score (http://www.goredbirds.com/boxscore.aspx?path=football&id=4154)





SOS and history isn't working in your favor....

fixed it. Im sure that didnt help although it also didnt help us so probably you will have do do something crazy that makes sportscenter or goes viral on YouTube. Im thinking someone needs to score a TD and whip their junk out for the camera.

Or steal crab legs from the store while signing an autograph for money for a while bragging about an alleged offense for which you are being investigated. (I edited that a little)

[Herder]

This pretty much sums it up...



9/6/2014

Mississippi Valley State


Normal, Ill.

W 62-0 (http://www.goredbirds.com/news/2014/9/6/FB_0906145102.aspx?path=football) Box Score (http://www.goredbirds.com/boxscore.aspx?path=football&id=7359)





9/13/2014

Eastern Illinois


Normal, Ill.

W 34-15 (http://www.goredbirds.com/news/2014/9/13/FB_0913140811.aspx?path=football) Box Score (http://www.goredbirds.com/boxscore.aspx?path=football&id=4151)





9/27/2014

Austin Peay


Normal, Ill.

W 55-6 (http://www.goredbirds.com/news/2014/9/27/FB_0927140947.aspx?path=football) Box Score (http://www.goredbirds.com/boxscore.aspx?path=football&id=4152)





10/4/2014

South Dakota St.

*

Normal, Ill.

W 45-10 (http://www.goredbirds.com/news/2014/10/4/FB_1004141637.aspx?path=football) Box Score (http://www.goredbirds.com/boxscore.aspx?path=football&id=4153)





10/11/2014

Indiana State

*

Terre Haute, Ind.

W 20-18 (http://www.goredbirds.com/news/2014/10/11/FB_1011143536.aspx?path=football) Box Score (http://www.goredbirds.com/boxscore.aspx?path=football&id=4154)






SOS and history isn't working in your favor....

No, it doesn't quite sum it up, I'll add . . .

Citadel
NC A&T
SC State
FAMU
Elon
Presby
Furman

I think that sums it up with a SOS of 205 vs. 202 or IL State. I guess a 205 gets you a top 5 ranking no problem. Try again Bisonbacker.

[rokamortis]

No, it doesn't quite sum it up, I'll add . . .

Citadel
NC A&T
SC State
FAMU
Elon

I think that sums it up.

You left off PC and Furman xcoffeex

[Herder]

You left of PC and Furman xcoffeex

Yes, Furman and Presby elevate you to 205, 3 spots behind IL State. Do you have a point?

[CrazyCat]

Interesting that there are 7 teams with .500 or below records in the top 25 in scoring defense. There are only 3 in the top 25 in scoring offense. Just an observation and yes I wish our defense was better.

[UNIFanSince1983]

So, what does it take to get Illinois State ranked where they deserve to be ranked. Look at all the 2 loss and 1 loss teams that are ranked ahead of them. IL State has not lost a game, and is barely scratching the top 10. Is that a team that would lose to Coastal Carolina, No way.

So scoring defense determines where you should be ranked? Got it. Harvard is the 3rd best team in the country behind Illinois St and NDSU. Can't forget the powerhouse that is Alcorn State at #5.

[rokamortis]

Yes, Furman and Presby elevate you to 205, 3 spots behind IL State. Do you have a point?

My point is that you left 2 teams off.

[birdsflyhigh]

Not sure where the 202 SOS for Illinois State is coming from, but for Massey (an average of 38 different rating systems) it goes as follows:

NDSU 127
McNeese 133
Jacksonville St. 141
EWU 147
Montana 150
New Hampshire 155
Villanova 158
Montana St. 163
Illinois St. 170
SELA 177
Coastal Carolina 201

All those teams above are either listed in the top 10 of the Coaches Poll or the TSN Poll. The only real big outlier of these seems to be Coastal Carolina, and the SOS for Illinois St. seems to be right in line with almost the entire FCS top 10.

The rest of this season's schedule for ISU's Redbirds will be absolutely loaded with tough teams, so their SOS should increase dramatically. However, just as it is with the 5 games in the books, that 170 is pretty decent comparing them with the SOS for the other FCS top 10 teams.

[robsnotes4u]

Not sure where the 202 SOS for Illinois State is coming from, but for Massey (an average of 38 different rating systems) it goes as follows:

NDSU 127
McNeese 133
Jacksonville St. 141
EWU 147
Montana 150
New Hampshire 155
Villanova 158
Montana St. 163
Illinois St. 170
SELA 177
Coastal Carolina 201

All those teams above are either listed in the top 10 of the Coaches Poll or the TSN Poll. The only real big outlier of these seems to be Coastal Carolina, and the SOS for Illinois St. seems to be right in line with almost the entire FCS top 10.

The rest of this season's schedule for ISU's Redbirds will be absolutely loaded with tough teams, so their SOS should increase dramatically. However, just as it is with the 5 games in the books, that 170 is pretty decent comparing them with the SOS for the other FCS top 10 teams.

Sagarin

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[Uncle Buck]

I think thats a pretty solid point. So far everyone has been clamoring for the Stony Brook defense, yet they have played some very poor offenses.

Offensive output from teams SBU has played (Against FCS competition):

Bryant: 13, 13, 2, 34
UND: 16, 0, 13, 18, 15, 16
W&M: 42, 29, 33, 27, 3
Towson: 27, 21, 31, 24, 3, 7
Maine: 10, 10, 27, 20, 7

Those W&M and Towson scores came against some light competition too (Until they started their CAA slate)...

SBU also held UConn to 19 points. Uconn has put up these offensive scoring outputs 10, 19, 21, 14, 10, and 3 against Tulane...

What has been impressive about Stony Brook's defense is that with their offense being so bad, they've been on the field a lot and in some bad field position.

Also, UND and UConn had touchdowns that did NOT come against the defense.

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[semobison]

What has been impressive about Stony Brook's defense is that with their offense being so bad, they've been on the field a lot and in some bad field position.

Also, UND and UConn had touchdowns that did NOT come against the defense.

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The only thing I know about Stony Brook is they lost to UND who lost 38-0 to Missouri State!

[Uncle Buck]

The only thing I know about Stony Brook is they lost to UND who lost 38-0 to Missouri State!

See the part of my post about offense. They held ND to 145 yards of offense and like 5 first downs. On top of that, the offense gave up a pick six so d only gave up 6 points. They also started the QB who is no longer the started. If they went with this new kid sbu would have gotten the w. Not saying a blowout, but they would have scored more than ND.

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[Grizalltheway]

See the part of my post about offense. They held ND to 145 yards of offense and like 5 first downs. On top of that, the offense gave up a pick six so d only gave up 6 points. They also started the QB who is no longer the started. If they went with this new kid sbu would have gotten the w. Not saying a blowout, but they would have scored more than ND.

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North Dakota is also 109th in scoring offense. It's all relative.

[Uncle Buck]

North Dakota is also 109th in scoring offense. It's all relative.

I don't care who you play, holding a team to only a five first downs for a game is impressive.

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[robsnotes4u]

What has been impressive about Stony Brook's defense is that with their offense being so bad, they've been on the field a lot and in some bad field position.

Also, UND and UConn had touchdowns that did NOT come against the defense.

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A good article
[URL]http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2009/9/1/1009252/a-look-at-real-scoring-defense /[URL]



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[Uncle Buck]

A good article
[URL]http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2009/9/1/1009252/a-look-at-real-scoring-defense /[URL]



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Interesting read

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[catbob]

We'll see how Montana's defense looks after playing EWU, MSU, Sac and Cal Poly.

[Grizalltheway]

We'll see how Montana's defense looks after playing EWU, MSU, Sac and Cal Poly.

Well, we already saw how average MSU's offense looked against good defenses.;)

[CrazyCat]

Well, we already saw how average MSU's offense looked against good defenses.;)

Looks like average is good enough.

[Grizalltheway]

Looks like average is good enough.

If you had a defense, sure.

[CrazyCat]

No. On a cold very windy day that the MSU offense struggled against a good defense. MSU still won even with a bad defense. UND scored 12 points against the crappy defense of MSU. UND scored 9 offensive points against the very good UM defense.

[UNIFanSince1983]

No. On a cold very windy day that the MSU offense struggled against a good defense. MSU still won even with a bad defense. UND scored 12 points against the crappy defense of MSU. UND scored 9 offensive points against the very good UM defense.

Look at the scoring offenses thread and you will see where UND ranks. It is not pretty. That is the problem with theses rankings is not all schedules are created equal.

[thebootfitter]

Look at the scoring offenses thread and you will see where UND ranks. It is not pretty. That is the problem with theses rankings is not all schedules are created equal.
Exactly, which is why I was thinking it would be great to have a system that takes the varying schedules into account. And I think that's effectively what computer rating systems try to do at some level.

[Twentysix]

I don't care who you play, holding a team to only a five first downs for a game is impressive.

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Sometimes (we) at North Dakota State University hold a team to 15 yards until the backups start playing in the 3rd quarter. xthumbsupx

[Beachdude]

Sometimes (we) at North Dakota State University hold a team to 15 yards until the backups start playing in the 3rd quarter. xthumbsupx

Sometimes (we) at Coastal hold a team to 15 yards until the next play. xlolx

[Uncle Buck]

Sometimes (we) at North Dakota State University hold a team to 15 yards until the backups start playing in the 3rd quarter. xthumbsupx

Sometimes "you" at North Dakota State come off a little arrogant. 😜

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[Grizalltheway]

Sometimes (we) at North Dakota State University hold a team to 15 yards until the backups start playing in the 3rd quarter. xthumbsupx

Unless, of course, you're playing the 11th ranked offense in the Big Sky. ;)

[thebootfitter]

So, even after a team scores 14 points in garbage time, the Bison are still solidly on top. I just hope the 2s and 3s can clean things up. Stats aren't everything, of course, but it would have been nice to be at 7.7 instead of 9.7 average. I suspect next time they see the field, they'll be a bit sharper.

[IBleedYellow]

So, even after a team scores 14 points in garbage time, the Bison are still solidly on top. I just hope the 2s and 3s can clean things up. Stats aren't everything, of course, but it would have been nice to be at 7.7 instead of 9.7 average. I suspect next time they see the field, they'll be a bit sharper.

I believe only one of the touchdowns would count...one of them was a fumble recovery that went for 7.

[clenz]

Sometimes (we) at Coastal hold a team to 15 yards until the next play. xlolx
Sometimes our offense is lucky to gain 15 yards over the course of 15 plays....

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Sometimes our offense is lucky to gain 15 yards over the course of 15 plays....



If UNI doesn't turn it around the rest of the season, does Farley make some changes with the staff? esp on offense?

I thought UNI would win the conference this summer.

[clenz]

If UNI doesn't turn it around the rest of the season, does Farley make some changes with the staff? esp on offense?

I thought UNI would win the conference this summer.
I'll just copy the post I made in the "Coaches on the hot seat thread"

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?162481-Coaches-on-the-Hot-Seat&p=2163578&viewfull=1#post2163578


Here's my take on the UNI situation

Farley is/should be safe for now with an exception.


The issues at UNI aren't on Farley - though in a round-a-bout way they are. The issues are entirely offense related. There is no development being made with the kids as they progress through their time at UNI. The play calling is atrocious, the offensive staff doesn't know how to utilize the talent it has.

I'm hearing a lot of "It doesn't matter what plays they call if the players don't execute and the QB sucks." Well, yes, to an extent that is true. Here is why that logic is flawed:

1. The players can't execute if they don't know what the **** is going on. It's pretty damn clear that players don't know what's going on. That either means they don't know the playbook and shouldn't be on the field OR the OC doesn't know what the hell he's doing. Either situation the OC needs to get that **** straight.

2. The players can execute perfectly, but if the play call sucks (for the situation...or in general) it doesn't matter. For example - 3rd and 4 inside your own 30 in the second half down by a score and you call a ****ing QB draw with Kollmorgen. Absolute best case situation is it completely catches SDSU off guard for a second and SK gets borderline close to the marker. Most likely situation is exactly what happened.

3. David Johnson is averaging 15 carries per game this season, with as many games under 10 carries as over 20. Are you ****ing serious? He's at a touch under 6 YPC on the season and over 7 ypc against FCS teams and he's touching the ball 15 times per game? Who the **** is calling these plays? The defensive coordinator for the other ****ing team? Oh...he had over 200 yards receiving on 5 catches against Iowa. Since then he has just 15 catches in the next 6 games total. What in the ****? He's averaging over 12 yards per reception his career and is a match up nightmare. Why the **** is he not touching the ball more?

4. Quarterback situation - If you have 2 QBs you have ZERO. SK's freshman year he was the BMOC and he had the confidence. All of a sudden Brion steps on campus and the coaches refuse to commit to SK and his confidence in throws starts to diminish. Wonder ****ing why? Carnes has something like a 44% career completion % at UNI. Put him at RB with DJ. Run some trick plays off that ****. Allow SK to be the ****ing man and support him. Not rotating time with a guy who throws like a HS JV QB. We've been down this road at UNI before with multiple QBs and it tore the locker room apart - remember Rennie and Davis a couple years ago? Pick one and go ****ing with it.

5. In that case they went with the runner (Rennie). He wasn't a great passer so what routes get called for him? fly, seam, deep post, deep out, deep curl, etc... Rennie couldn't make those throws - we also didn't have 6'4 WRs. What do we do with Carnes? Run a bunch of fly, seam, deep post, deep out, deep curl, etc... Oh, better yet we do it in situations that it's expected. Oh...even better...the end of the SDSU game over the weekend when Carnes was in guess what routes were called? Double deep post with a wheel...near mid field with plenty of time on the clock needing only a FG. What the flying ****? Apparently Farley finally laid the **** into Salmon for that one.

6. Notice earlier how I said put DJ on one side and Brion on the other of Sawyer and run some tricky ****...how bout anything that is even slightly tricky? UNI's offense is the most predictable offense I've ever seen - and I live in a state where the Hawkeyes are on TV every single week (those that don't live around B10 country...Iowa is the most bland offense in he B10..and that's saying something). There is zero creativity with the offense. None...zero...nada...

7. This could probably go into one of the other ones - other teams have been killing UNI for YEARS using tight ends and inside crosses, etc... Do these plays not exist in our OCs mind? Get the ball out of the QBs hands and into the hands of a damn play maker. Even if they don't break a tackle they are going to pick up 5-6 yards. That's a damn good pick up on 95+% of plays. Nope...let's continue to only run routes outside the numbers...and never inside the hash marks. To illustrate my point here is a breakdown on our OCs binder and where he wants to throw the ball and not. Red is never, yellow is ONLY if he has too....the goal line is the LOS for reference...click to enlarge.

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8. OL play. I realize it's tough for the QBs and RBs to make plays when they end up blocking for themselves. The OL development has gotten really bad lately. Gone from 3 NFL players on the line at one time to guys who probably would be third stringers 5-10 years ago.


I can keep going but the fact of the matter is there needs to be a change on the offensive side of the ball. The defense is a championship caliber defense but are put in terrible spots time and time and time again by this offense. Farley lets his offensive staff run the offense, and always has. He takes care of the defense, which is good year after year after year even with turn over.

I'm all for keeping Farley, I really am. I think a great person to have at UNI. He is UNI to his core.

This is where the exception comes into play.

Farley is fiercely loyal to those offensive assistants. If he is unwilling to make changes there then he needs to go as well. He is a great recruiter and defensive mind but he can't let his offense continue to go this way.

If that's the case I have no idea who to go after/get other than offering a master key to every door in the Cedar Valley to Coach K

To add to this a bit:

The 2 QB this - for some reason the coaches are darn near obsessed with the idea of a mobile QB. It's why the brought Rennie and Carnes in when there were QBs in the system that were already established/had been there a couple seasons set to take over the reigns. The problem is they have no idea how to use one, and they always manage to find one that can't throw so the idea of being mobile is worthless. I'm all for a mobile QB that can actually throw the ball - UNI has yet to see one of them.

Carnes makes a good number of UNI fans long for Rennie. People hated Rennie (not all...I liked him if the staff could have called better pass plays for him - short routes not long routes like they did). Rennie completed 58% of his passes for his 2 year career, threw for 3400 yards and 22 TDs. Oh, and he ran for 2,176 yards (5.3 per carry and 24 TDs). The issue with Rennie is he couldn't throw the ball 20-25+ yards and almost all of his picks came on deep throws. He only threw 15 for his career (and only 4 as a senior) but didn't throw enough TDs for most fans to actually enjoy his play. He really got a raw deal during his time here.

Carnes career numbers are 49% 618 yards 3 TD 6 INT passing and just 441 yards rushing (4.3 ypc) with 4 TD rushing. People like him better because...well...I don't know...he came from Nebraska and not Elsworth Community College like Rennie. Keep in mind though Rennie was a JUCO AA ahead of Cam Newton the year they were both JUCO.

Before Rennie (which was a cluster **** of a 2 QB situation with Zach Davis) there was Pat Grace. Grace wasn't liked because he was the QB to follow Eric Sanders. He was also unliked because he was a complete hot head. Having said that he was the best "dual threat" QB our system can hope for. He was something like 6'4 240 and was a 2 year starter. His career numbers were good - 63% 4500 yards 36 TD 15 INT passing with 1005 yards (4.3 ypc) 22 TD rushing. His rushing game took a serious hit after NDSU (not to start this again) cheap-shotted the **** out of his knee in the UNIDome in 2008. He could run pretty well, could throw the ball 65 yards in the air, big enough to take a hit and not crumble, etc..

I would take Pat Grace in a second if it meant the OC could make proper play calls.

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I believe only one of the touchdowns would count...one of them was a fumble recovery that went for 7.
Right, technically that wasn't points allowed by the defense, but the stats don't distinguish how the points were scored.

[robsnotes4u]

I believe only one of the touchdowns would count...one of them was a fumble recovery that went for 7.

The NCAA uses all the points when figuring the total scoring defense, even though the fumble recovery for the TD should not be counted against the Defense. Easier for them to figure, I guess. It should be called Average Points Allowed