Preseason Mid-Major Top 25

[TexasTerror]

Preseason Mid-Major Top 25

1. Creighton 0-0 741 21
2. Gonzaga 0-0 729 2
3. Hofstra 0-0 681 7
4. Southern Illinois 0-0 629 11
5. Wichita State 0-0 610 3
6. Bucknell 0-0 565 4
7. George Mason 0-0 561 1
8. Akron 0-0 507 23
9. Winthrop 0-0 438 13
10. Western Kentucky 0-0 435 20
11. Missouri State 0-0 382 9
12. Toledo 0-0 292 NR
13. Loyola (Chicago) 0-0 274 NR
14. Oral Roberts 0-0 273 NR
15. Drexel 0-0 257 NR
16. Loyola Marymount 0-0 252 NR
17. Marist 0-0 174 NR
18. Northern Arizona 0-0 166 25
19. Montana 0-0 156 14
20. Penn 0-0 155 NR
21. Old Dominion 0-0 135 18
22. College of Charleston 0-0 133 NR
23. Long Beach State 0-0 128 NR
24. Sam Houston State 0-0 113 NR
25. Albany 0-0 108 NR

OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: UNC-Wilmington 104, Pacific 103, Belmont 79, Northern Iowa 66, Kent State 65, Holy Cross 64, Texas A&M Corpus Christi 62, Samford 47, Iona 40, Wisconsin-Milwaukee 40, South Alabama 37, St. Mary's 36, Wisconsin Green Bay 34, Western Michigan 31, Bradley 30, VCU 29, Manhattan 28, Monmouth 25, UNC-Greensboro 24, Arkansas-Little Rock 21, Eastern Washington 20, Davidson 19, Delaware State 18, Appalachian State 17, Ohio 17, Murray State 16, San Francisco 16, Lipscomb 15, Butler 12, Miami 11, Northwestern State 10, Fairleigh Dickinson 7, Coastal Carolina 6, Illinois State 6, St. Peter's 6, Towson 4, American 3, Southern 3, Detroit 2, Middle Tennessee 2, Tennessee Tech 2, Cal State Fullerton 1, Loyola (MD) 1, New Orleans 1, Princeton 1.

[griz37]

Wow not much love for Montana.

[BobbyMo]

No love for RMU either :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: Hopefully we can win the NEC and get to the dance :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :nod: :nod:

[crunifan]

I realize that we aren't gonna be as good as last year, but UNI is a top 25 mid-major team. I mean...Drexel? Long Beach State? Marist? What in the hell did these teams do?

Nice to see four MVC teams on there though.

Creighton is even in the top 25 presason AP Poll at #19!

[AZGrizFan]

Wow not much love for Montana.

Yeah, guess that win over Nevada really impressed the voters.... :rolleyes: :( :mad:

[griz37]

Yeah, guess that win over Nevada really impressed the voters.... :rolleyes: :( :mad:

Not to mention the fact that we have Andrew Strait back, in case you missed it he absolutely schooled lotto pick Nick Fazekas from Nevada.

[AZGrizFan]

Someone PLEASE tell me why Gonzaga is considered a mid-major? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[grizband]

Someone PLEASE tell me why Gonzaga is considered a mid-major? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
They are a mid-major through their conference affiliation.

[TexasTerror]

They are a mid-major through their conference affiliation.

Exactly...

If I could find it, I'd post Oral Roberts' Scott Sutton's answer to that question. He's the head of the poll this year and he answered that question when he took over as the head this year...

[dbackjon]

NAU - #18

Montana - #19


We've got some unfinished business from last year...... :(

[dbackjon]

I see the SunBelt is still considered Mid-Major..... ;)

[MissouriStateBear]

Someone PLEASE tell me why Gonzaga is considered a mid-major? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Someone PLEASE tell me why the Valley is still considered a mid-major!

Seriously, they need to get out of this poll and others may need to be put back in cough(CUSA, MW, A10, WAC)cough

[crunifan]

No kidding, if the MVC is considered mid-major, the Pac-10 needs to be as well.

[AZGrizFan]

Someone PLEASE tell me why the Valley is still considered a mid-major!

Seriously, they need to get out of this poll and others may need to be put back in cough(CUSA, MW, A10, WAC)cough

Could not agree more.

[TxSt02]

no love for Texas State???

[TexasTerror]

no love for Texas State???

This isn't the NAIA or Div III top 25...

Losses to UT-Permian Basin never help anyone break any kind of top 25...

[jstate83]

No luv for J-State.

Guess we just gotta be happy with the Pre-Season player of the year:

3593
Trey Johnson :thumbsup:
So glad he decided not to go for the money last year.

3592
Come get some. :thumbsup:

[ucdtim17]

No kidding, if the MVC is considered mid-major, the Pac-10 needs to be as well.

That's a little ridiculous. The Pac-10 was 8-4 in the tourney last year (UCLA was the runner up, remember?) and always has 4-6 teams in. The MVC had a great year last year but you're still the new kid on the block and have a ways to go to truly be considered an equal with the BCS conferences

[crunifan]

That's a little ridiculous. The Pac-10 was 8-4 in the tourney last year (UCLA was the runner up, remember?) and always has 4-6 teams in. The MVC had a great year last year but you're still the new kid on the block and have a ways to go to truly be considered an equal with the BCS conferences

I was remarking on the fact that the MVC was a better conference than the Pac-10 last year.

[ucdtim17]

I was remarking on the fact that the MVC was a better conference than the Pac-10 last year.

Well both put 4 into the tourney - the Pac-10 teams went 8-4 and put one team in the championship. What did the MVC do?

[ucdtim17]

2-4 by my count. Pac-10 finished ahead of MVC in Sagarin ratings anyways, as they should have

[I Bleed Purple]

Seeing two BSC teams in the top 25 and neither of the WSU is aggravating. Makes me wish of 2003.

What, weren't the Wildcats third going into the tournament that year?

[PantherRob82]

Teams UNI is better thann hands down:

3. Hofstra 0-0 681 7
6. Bucknell 0-0 565 4 (get a chance to prove it)
8. Akron 0-0 507 23
9. Winthrop 0-0 438 13
11. Missouri State 0-0 382 9 (get 2 chances to prove it)
12. Toledo 0-0 292 NR
13. Loyola (Chicago) 0-0 274 NR (get a chance to prove it)
14. Oral Roberts 0-0 273 NR
15. Drexel 0-0 257 NR
16. Loyola Marymount 0-0 252 NR
17. Marist 0-0 174 NR
20. Penn 0-0 155 NR
21. Old Dominion 0-0 135 18
22. College of Charleston 0-0 133 NR
23. Long Beach State 0-0 128 NR
24. Sam Houston State 0-0 113 NR
25. Albany 0-0 108 NR

[TexasTerror]

24. Sam Houston State 0-0 113 NR

Would love if SHSU and UNI did a home-and-home in both basketball AND football! :D

[MissouriStateBear]

2-4 by my count. Pac-10 finished ahead of MVC in Sagarin ratings anyways, as they should have

Try again buddy...4-4 with three crappy seeds...WSU, SIU, and UNI all deserved better seeds last year...We will once agian put at least 4 in and maybe a 5th in UNI

[crunifan]

Well both put 4 into the tourney - the Pac-10 teams went 8-4 and put one team in the championship. What did the MVC do?

The only reason the Pac-10 finished above the MVC (because it was behind us the entire season) was due to UCLA.

The MVC sent two teams that were given harder paths (7 seed and 13 seed) to the Sweet Sixteen. To get a 2 seed like UCLA we would have to go unbeaten basically.

But if you actually try and tell me that the Pac-10 is harder top to bottom last year, you are on drugs.

You have UCLA, Washington, Arizona, and California.

We have Wichita State, Creighton, SIU, Missouri State, UNI, and Bradley.

Even little Evansville and Indiana State took down Big-10 teams.

[ucdtim17]

The only reason the Pac-10 finished above the MVC (because it was behind us the entire season) was due to UCLA.

The MVC sent two teams that were given harder paths (7 seed and 13 seed) to the Sweet Sixteen. To get a 2 seed like UCLA we would have to go unbeaten basically.

But if you actually try and tell me that the Pac-10 is harder top to bottom last year, you are on drugs.

You have UCLA, Washington, Arizona, and California.

We have Wichita State, Creighton, SIU, Missouri State, UNI, and Bradley.

Even little Evansville and Indiana State took down Big-10 teams.

Last I checked UCLA is still a team in the Pac-10. Their wins count. This is like the twilight zone - your comparison just shows the difference in the leagues. The 4 Pac-10 teams are all major programs that have proven themselves in the tournament year after year (you failed to mention Stanford, who made a Final Four in '98 and spent as much time at #1 in the early 00's as anyone, as well as Oregon). The MVC is obviously a great basketball conference, but it only nears the Pac-10 when the Pac-10 is down and the MVC is up. The Pac-10 was down last year and the MVC was way up and the Pac-10 still had a better tourney showing and finished higher in Sagarin. There's not much more to it than that

[patssle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i82kyfWHhw

TV promo for Bearkat basketball season

[GeauxLions94]

Southeastern Louisiana comes back from 21 points down to defeat Cal Poly at the Oregon Rain Invitational (a tourney that lives up to its name :smiley_wi), 76-69 :hurray: :hurray: :hurray:

[crunifan]

Last I checked UCLA is still a team in the Pac-10. Their wins count. This is like the twilight zone - your comparison just shows the difference in the leagues. The 4 Pac-10 teams are all major programs that have proven themselves in the tournament year after year (you failed to mention Stanford, who made a Final Four in '98 and spent as much time at #1 in the early 00's as anyone, as well as Oregon). The MVC is obviously a great basketball conference, but it only nears the Pac-10 when the Pac-10 is down and the MVC is up. The Pac-10 was down last year and the MVC was way up and the Pac-10 still had a better tourney showing and finished higher in Sagarin. There's not much more to it than that

All I will say, and this is my final post on this topic (unless of course UNI upsets Washington in Seattle next week) is that if the MVC and Pac-10 were to do a challenge similar to ACC/Big 10, I honestly think the MVC would win.

[PantherRob82]

Would love if SHSU and UNI did a home-and-home in both basketball AND football! :D

That would be fun. :hurray:

[AZGrizFan]

NAU - #18

Montana - #19


We've got some unfinished business from last year...... :(

Whatever.

Your lumberjokes will ALWAYS be sucking hind teet.

:nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:
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:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[PantherRob82]

I've never heard anything about the NAU bball program.

[AZGrizFan]

I've never heard anything about the NAU bball program.

They were actually BSC regular season champs last year, but only because UM imploded in the 2nd half of their first game against NAU, losing a 19 point lead. It was the worst 20 minutes of basketball UM played all year. UM then came to NAU for the tourney and schooled them. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[MissouriStateBear]

All I will say, and this is my final post on this topic (unless of course UNI upsets Washington in Seattle next week) is that if the MVC and Pac-10 were to do a challenge similar to ACC/Big 10, I honestly think the MVC would win.

UCLA-CU...UCLA
Arizona-SIU...Zona
Washington-WSU...WSU
Oregon-MSU...Toss Up
California-UNI...UNI
USC-Evansville...Evansville
Stanford-Drake...Drake
Oregon State-Bradley...Toss Up
Arizona State-Ill St...Ill State
Washington State-Ind St...WSU

Pac 10-4
MVC-4
With two toss up games

It would be good!

[ucdtim17]

All I will say, and this is my final post on this topic (unless of course UNI upsets Washington in Seattle next week) is that if the MVC and Pac-10 were to do a challenge similar to ACC/Big 10, I honestly think the MVC would win.

That's your opinion, but the Pac-10 has the names, the ratings, the tourney records and the history; the burden of proof is on you to show how the MVC is better. Everyone would love to see the challenge, but it's not going to happen and I don't think there are many games between the two conferences

[Reed Rothchild]

That's your opinion, but the Pac-10 has the names, the ratings, the tourney records and the history; the burden of proof is on you to show how the MVC is better. Everyone would love to see the challenge, but it's not going to happen and I don't think there are many games between the two conferences


We'll see when UNI plays Washington this week...