Worst Rivalry in FCS

[TypicalTribe]

There's plenty of discussion around here about all the great rivalries in FCS and their place in a relative hierarchy of the best matchups. But I wanted to go the other way. What's the worst rivalry in FCS? By that I mean a matchup that has plenty of history behind it, but more likely than not the teams aren't good, the fan bases are apathetic and, as a result, the games are largely meaningless. For me, I would go with Columbia and Brown, but I'm sure there are others as similarly uninspiring.

[BEAR]

Nicholls vs. anybody...xcoffeex

[Twentysix]

NDSU UND. UND fits the bill for every negative description you gave.

[DFW HOYA]

St. Francis vs. Duquesne.

Dukes have won 34 of 40, incl. 14 of the last 15.

[superman7515]

Delaware vs Delaware State in the media manufactured "Route One Rivalry".

[Sycamore51]

INST doesn't really have any FCS rival. The closest thing that we have to a football rival is Ball State, but that hasn't been a real rivalry since the late 80's-early 90's

[bluehenbillk]

Delaware vs Delaware State in the media manufactured "Route One Rivalry".

THIS

[Grizalltheway]

There's a certain "rivalry" out west where one team has only won 7 times in the last 30 years, and only 37 times in 113 tries..

[TheRevSFA]

Lehigh v Lafayette :)

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Actually UCA vs mcneese in the manufactured red beans and rice bowl

[Sycamore62]

INST doesn't really have any FCS rival. The closest thing that we have to a football rival is Ball State, but that hasn't been a real rivalry since the late 80's-early 90's

For a few years it was Western Ky when it culminated with a fist fight between head coaches in 1993

[MSUBobcat]

There's a certain "rivalry" out west where one team has only won 7 times in the last 30 years, and only 37 times in 113 tries..

That, of course, selectively omits the fact that since MSU joined the NCAA in 1957, UM's lead is only 30-26 and since becoming founding members of the Big Sky in 1963 the lead is 28-22. For the last 50+ years, the Brawl has been pretty even.

[AggieManiac704]

Delaware vs Delaware State in the media manufactured "Route One Rivalry".

We have a winner!

[Grizcountry420]

That, of course, selectively omits the fact that since MSU joined the NCAA in 1957, UM's lead is only 30-26 and since becoming founding members of the Big Sky in 1963 the lead is 28-22. For the last 50+ years, the Brawl has been pretty even.

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/54905059.jpg

[Grizalltheway]

That, of course, selectively omits the fact that since MSU joined the NCAA in 1957.

Hey, not our fault you lagged behind. But, you did get lights a year before us! ;)

[JMUNJ08]

The CAA 'rivalry' game for JMU for a number of years on the final weekend was Towson. Before the past 3 years, this was the most ridiculous looking 'rivalry' going when you had UD/ VU, Maine/ UNH, UR/ W&M...

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

The CAA 'rivalry' game for JMU for a number of years on the final weekend was Towson. Before the past 3 years, this was the most ridiculous looking 'rivalry' going when you had UD/ VU, Maine/ UNH, UR/ W&M...

Border states, public institutions, growing enrollments, what's the problem? You'd rather have Rhode Island or Elon? We get it, you want to have a rivalry week game with ODU or App in another league. Can you get it done sooner rather than later? Or accept the reality that Towson is the best available rival for JMU in the CAAF.

[jmufan999]

Border states, public institutions, growing enrollments, what's the problem? You'd rather have Rhode Island or Elon? We get it, you want to have a rivalry week game with ODU or App in another league. Can you get it done sooner rather than later? Or accept the reality that Towson is the best available rival for JMU in the CAAF.

i don't think you understood what he was getting at. we were playing towson at the end of seasons BEFORE they became even remotely relevant. they were a total doormat for many years. these are the last games of the regular season for JMU against Towson, 2005-08:

W, 55-14
W, 38-13
W, 23-13
W, 58-27

that's why the other poster said "before the past 3 years"......

[Silenoz]

That, of course, selectively omits the fact that since MSU joined the NCAA in 1957, UM's lead is only 30-26 and since becoming founding members of the Big Sky in 1963 the lead is 28-22. For the last 50+ years, the Brawl has been pretty even.
Speaking of selective...

[ccd494]

The amount we have to hear about Lehigh-Lafayette as compared to the quality of football played is pretty terrible.

[BEAR]

Lehigh v Lafayette :)

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Actually UCA vs mcneese in the manufactured red beans and rice bowl

Interesting.

[F'N Hawks]

NDSU UND. UND fits the bill for every negative description you gave.

We don't even play, grow up.

[Lehigh'98]

The amount we have to hear about Lehigh-Lafayette as compared to the quality of football played is pretty terrible.

Boo-f-ing-hoo

[KnightoftheRedFlash]

St. Francis vs. Duquesne.

Dukes have won 34 of 40, incl. 14 of the last 15.

I always saw Robert Morris as St. Francis' rival, never Duquesne.

Either way, we haven't been exactly stellar in the competition aspect to develop a meaningful, national rivalry.

[Bogus Megapardus]

The amount we have to hear about Lehigh-Lafayette as compared to the quality of football played is pretty terrible.

Regrettable that we all can't be Maine, but to avoid seriously misinterpreting your post - does "pretty terrible" modify (a) the actual, measurable quantity/amount of what you hear; (b) the content of the message; (c) Lafayette or Lehigh; or (d) the quality of football games played between the two?

It's awfully difficult for me to tell.

[Mattymc727]

Maine and UNH should be rivals with URI too, but the Rams have been so bad over the years that nobody cares.

[Ivytalk]

There's plenty of discussion around here about all the great rivalries in FCS and their place in a relative hierarchy of the best matchups. But I wanted to go the other way. What's the worst rivalry in FCS? By that I mean a matchup that has plenty of history behind it, but more likely than not the teams aren't good, the fan bases are apathetic and, as a result, the games are largely meaningless. For me, I would go with Columbia and Brown, but I'm sure there are others as similarly uninspiring.

You probably nailed the worst Ivy rivalry there! Cornell-Brown is also a possibility.

[UNIFanSince1983]

UNI vs Drake is a pretty awful rivalry. They hardly play. When the game is played UNI throttles them. The fans of both teams are pretty indifferent to each other when it comes to football.

[ccd494]

Regrettable that we all can't be Maine, but to avoid seriously misinterpreting your post - does "pretty terrible" modify (a) the actual, measurable quantity/amount of what you hear; (b) the content of the message; (c) Lafayette or Lehigh; or (d) the quality of football games played between the two?

It's awfully difficult for me to tell.

I'm not flooding the board and every thread with Black Bear propaganda. Terrible would be a unifying term incorporating everything surrounding the event (including the endless discussion) except the actual schools, which are solid educational institutions.

[TheRevSFA]

Interesting.

Let me clarify. Not worst in terms of on field product but how did you become rivals? There's nothing geographic....

i always figured SFA and UCA would have manufactured a rivalry

[Bogus Megapardus]

I'm not flooding the board and every thread with Black Bear propaganda. Terrible would be a unifying term incorporating everything surrounding the event (including the endless discussion) except the actual schools, which are solid educational institutions.

After you recount the three "most terrible" Lafayette - Lehigh games that you have attended (just for comparison's sake), we'll get to your "flooding the board and every thread" remark. Hyperbole aside, though, if you don't click into a Patriot League thread, you'd barely know these two schools (or any rivalry between them) even existed on AGS.

I heard that somebody once suggested (I'm not sure who) all the pain will go away if you simply don't click into PL threads. That's just a rumor, of course - but maybe it's worth a try.

[UAalum72]

Brown vs. Rhode Island? Bruins won 36 of the first 37, since then it's 34-25-2. Brown has one outright and three shared Ivy titles in the 58 seasons of the league. Rhody had two outright and four shared titles in 50 years of the Yankee Conference and none in the 17 years of the A-10/CAA.

[clenz]

UNI v MVFC teams







Team

Win
Loss
Tie
Pct.
PF
PA
Delta



Illinois St. (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/missourivalley/northern_iowa/vs_conf_opponents_records.php?teamid=1509&confid=59&restrictions=none)


19


11


0

0.63333
785
639
146



Indiana St. (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/missourivalley/northern_iowa/vs_conf_opponents_records.php?teamid=1522&confid=59&restrictions=none)


24


4


0

0.85714
894
433
461



Missouri St. (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/missourivalley/northern_iowa/vs_conf_opponents_records.php?teamid=3062&confid=59&restrictions=none)


29


5


0

0.85294
940
498
442



North Dakota St. (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/missourivalley/northern_iowa/vs_conf_opponents_records.php?teamid=2292&confid=59&restrictions=none)


25


21


0

0.54348
884
775
109



South Dakota (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/missourivalley/northern_iowa/vs_conf_opponents_records.php?teamid=3010&confid=59&restrictions=none)


25


18


1

0.57955
920
705
215



South Dakota St. (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/missourivalley/northern_iowa/vs_conf_opponents_records.php?teamid=3011&confid=59&restrictions=none)


28


18


2

0.60417
1027
770
257



Southern Illinois (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/missourivalley/northern_iowa/vs_conf_opponents_records.php?teamid=3048&confid=59&restrictions=none)


16


16


0

0.50000
794
796
-2



Western Illinois (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/missourivalley/northern_iowa/vs_conf_opponents_records.php?teamid=3514&confid=59&restrictions=none)


29


13


0

0.69048
1178
777
401



Youngstown St. (OH) (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/missourivalley/northern_iowa/vs_conf_opponents_records.php?teamid=3667&confid=59&restrictions=none)


21


7


0

0.75000
729
576
153








Totals

216
113
3
0.65512
8151
5969
2182



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UNI vs Drake is a pretty awful rivalry. They hardly play. When the game is played UNI throttles them. The fans of both teams are pretty indifferent to each other when it comes to football.
UNI actually has a losing record against Drake...but the last 4 games have been just bad




Record: 21-25-1











No


W/L


Date


PF


Location


PA


Notes




1


L


10-13-1900


0


Des Moines, IA


50





2


L


10-19-1901


2


Cedar Falls, IA


32





3


L


10-25-1902


5


Des Moines, IA


36





4


L


11-19-1904


6


Des Moines, IA


26





5


L


11-15-1913


0


Des Moines, IA


25





6


L


11-12-1914


3


Des Moines, IA


14





7


L


11-08-1941


0


Des Moines, IA


13





8


W


11-07-1942


27


Cedar Falls, IA


12





9


L


11-10-1945


6


Des Moines, IA


53





10


W


11-16-1946


46


Cedar Falls, IA


0





11


T


11-01-1947


6


Des Moines, IA


6





12


W


10-02-1948


6


Cedar Falls, IA


0





13


L


10-14-1950


18


Cedar Falls, IA


34





14


L


10-06-1951


6


Des Moines, IA


39





15


L


09-20-1952


12


Cedar Falls, IA


14





16


L


11-13-1953


20


Des Moines, IA


27





17


L


10-09-1954


12


Cedar Falls, IA


14





18


W


09-30-1955


21


Des Moines, IA


14





19


W


09-29-1956


20


Cedar Falls, IA


0





20


L


09-14-1957


12


Des Moines, IA


34





21


W


10-04-1958


20


Cedar Falls, IA


16





22


W


10-02-1959


14


Des Moines, IA


6





23


W


10-01-1960


14


Cedar Falls, IA


3





24


L


10-07-1961


6


Des Moines, IA


21





25


L


10-13-1962


15


Cedar Falls, IA


21





26


L


10-12-1963


12


Des Moines, IA


21





27


W


10-10-1964


41


Cedar Falls, IA


14





28


L


10-09-1965


7


Des Moines, IA


31





29


L


09-24-1966


6


Cedar Falls, IA


9





30


L


10-14-1967


7


Des Moines, IA


10





31


W


10-12-1968


21


Cedar Falls, IA


19





32


W


10-11-1969


23


Des Moines, IA


13





33


W


10-10-1970


13


Cedar Falls, IA


10





34


L


10-09-1971


0


Des Moines, IA


28





35


L


10-14-1972


14


Cedar Falls, IA


21





36


W


10-13-1973


31


Des Moines, IA


3





37


W


10-12-1974


41


Cedar Falls, IA


17





38


W


10-11-1975


27


Des Moines, IA


24





39


L


09-05-1981


30


Cedar Falls, IA


39





40


L


09-04-1982


13


Des Moines, IA


40





41


W


09-03-1983


34


Cedar Falls, IA


10





42


W


09-08-1984


33


Des Moines, IA


28





43


L


09-07-1985


9


Des Moines, IA


24





44


W


09-01-2005


52


Cedar Falls, IA


17





45


W


08-31-2006


48


Des Moines, IA


7





46


W


09-22-2007


45


Des Moines, IA


7





47


W


09-07-2013


45


Cedar Falls, IA


14














849


Totals


916

[BEAR]

Let me clarify. Not worst in terms of on field product but how did you become rivals? There's nothing geographic....

i always figured SFA and UCA would have manufactured a rivalry

UCA and McNeese aren't rivals. UCA has only been full fledged Division I since 2010. The RB&R bowl game came out of our common link to the massive rice production both our states have AND the fact that charities like The Rice Depot help support feeding thousands upon thousands of hungry people in Arkansas and Louisiana. Rice is king in the Delta. But as for the football game rivalry..just not there yet.

Besides, doesn't Sam and SFA have a big rivalry with only 15 loss difference for SFA?

[CID1990]

The Citadel vs VMI is the worst rivalry.

The game's significance is never for more than the trophy.

We all like each other for the most part.

The loser is rarely to never sore about it.

I can see some dislike in years past, but in this day and age the alumni of both schools are so ideologically alike that it is almost as though we are just one school with different campuses.

[dudeitsaid]

That, of course, selectively omits the fact that since MSU joined the NCAA in 1957, UM's lead is only 30-26 and since becoming founding members of the Big Sky in 1963 the lead is 28-22. For the last 50+ years, the Brawl has been pretty even.
That. And I don't think you could call either fan base apathetic.

[KnightoftheRedFlash]

St. Francis (PA) may not have a main rivalry with a FCS school. But we have a rivalry with PSU! #Delusionsofgrandeur

[TheRevSFA]

UCA and McNeese aren't rivals. UCA has only been full fledged Division I since 2010. The RB&R bowl game came out of our common link to the massive rice production both our states have AND the fact that charities like The Rice Depot help support feeding thousands upon thousands of hungry people in Arkansas and Louisiana. Rice is king in the Delta. But as for the football game rivalry..just not there yet.

Besides, doesn't Sam and SFA have a big rivalry with only 15 loss difference for SFA?

Eh it's not a big game, played at a nfl stadium and all. Nothing to see here

sfa vs NSULA for chief caddo is great

[PAllen]

After you recount the three "most terrible" Lafayette - Lehigh games that you have attended (just for comparison's sake), we'll get to your "flooding the board and every thread" remark. Hyperbole aside, though, if you don't click into a Patriot League thread, you'd barely know these two schools (or any rivalry between them) even existed on AGS.

I heard that somebody once suggested (I'm not sure who) all the pain will go away if you simply don't click into PL threads. That's just a rumor, of course - but maybe it's worth a try.

In his defense, any thread is at risk of becoming a PL thread at any time, unless of course, it becomes a NDSU/MVFC thread first. :D

[JMUNJ08]

Border states, public institutions, growing enrollments, what's the problem? You'd rather have Rhode Island or Elon? We get it, you want to have a rivalry week game with ODU or App in another league. Can you get it done sooner rather than later? Or accept the reality that Towson is the best available rival for JMU in the CAAF.


i don't think you understood what he was getting at. we were playing towson at the end of seasons BEFORE they became even remotely relevant. they were a total doormat for many years. these are the last games of the regular season for JMU against Towson, 2005-08:

W, 55-14
W, 38-13
W, 23-13
W, 58-27

that's why the other poster said "before the past 3 years"......

Well of course ODU/ App St due to being some good football programs (and now FBS). jmufan got what I was trying to really point out. Of course, I would be happy if we could be a dominating program at the FCS level first....xcoffeex

[813Jag]

My vote is Jackson St/MVSU in 61 meetings Valley has only won 5 times. They are winless against JSU since 1995. There's hatred from the Valley side JSU not so much.

[kab]

NDSU UND. UND fits the bill for every negative description you gave.
This guy should look in the mirror

[CSU18]

The Citadel vs VMI is the worst rivalry.

The game's significance is never for more than the trophy.

We all like each other for the most part.

The loser is rarely to never sore about it.

I can see some dislike in years past, but in this day and age the alumni of both schools are so ideologically alike that it is almost as though we are just one school with different campuses.

I'd disagree with part of this. I've played at The Citadel and at VMI. Both places have a cool/unique atmosphere. I think it's a pretty cool rivalry given the fact that both schools are essentially identical. I don't think the fact that the loser isn't sore diminishes the game. I just think both sides have a mutual respect which is fine.

[Oldschool Colonel]

Nicholls vs. anybody...xcoffeex

Do your homework Bear! We still have a winning record vs. SELA

[Kemo]

What's the worst rivalry in FCS?
NDSU fans vs. USD Ticket Office

[HailSzczur]

Worst "rivalry" we have in football is Penn. Haven't beaten us in over a century, 13-5 all time. Quakers started 5-0, all from 1905-1911. Nova's gone 13-0 since 1980 including 12 of the last 16 years.

This reminds me of my yearly fight with SJU(PA) fans that the "Holy War" isn't really a rivalry.

[BEAR]

Do your homework Bear! We still have a winning record vs. SELA

touche'

[bobcathpdevil56]

Hey, not our fault you lagged behind. But, you did get lights a year before us! ;)

If you discount the first 16 years of my life, it is a great rivalry

[bjtheflamesfan]

Liberty vs. Coastal

Liberty won the first meeting, Chants won the next three, athletic department decided to manufacture a "rivalry", Flames won the next three of the next 4 and then CCU has the last two...

[Yotes]

NDSU fans vs. USD Ticket Office
This gets my vote.

[mainejeff]

Maine vs. URI, UNH vs. URI......anyone in New England vs. URI.

This isn't meant to be inflammatory but I just don't understand how URI still has an FCS football program.xconfusedx

[CHIP72]

Worst "rivalry" we have in football is Penn. Haven't beaten us in over a century, 13-5 all time. Quakers started 5-0, all from 1905-1911. Nova's gone 13-0 since 1980 including 12 of the last 16 years.

This reminds me of my yearly fight with SJU(PA) fans that the "Holy War" isn't really a rivalry.

The fact you include the "PA" indicates it is.

I root for Villanova in basketball like all the other Big Five/City Six teams, but there is one day a year I hate them. :)

I would have much preferred a Wildcats win over the Hawks in this year's tournament rather than UConn becoming unofficial Big Five champs on their way to becoming national champs though.

As for Villanova/Penn in football, when Penn is very good the rivalry is good because the games are close, even if Villanova always wins. When Penn is average or not as good however, yeah the rivalry isn't really a rivalry.

[Sader87]

Brown vs. Rhode Island? Bruins won 36 of the first 37, since then it's 34-25-2. Brown has one outright and three shared Ivy titles in the 58 seasons of the league. Rhody had two outright and four shared titles in 50 years of the Yankee Conference and none in the 17 years of the A-10/CAA.

Yeah but it's still a decent rivalry between themselves.....not saying much but it is the biggest game most years in the Ocean State.

As for HC....we have an unfathomably bad record against Yale.....4-27 lifetime.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Montana vs montana state, its not even a rivalry really, its more like a yearly bloodletting with tailgating to keep us interested.

msu is like the fat girl at the party, you dont want too but you do it anyway.

[WileECoyote06]

If you haven't played fifteen or more games you are not rivals, yet. Delaware - Del. State doesn't count.

[MR. CHICKEN]

19759.......IT DOES COUNT......STARTIN' WHIFF DUH MANUFACTURED........"ROUTE ONE RIVALRY"......DAT ALONE MAKES IT BAD......TOSS IN DUH HAPLESS HORNETS..&...BAD GOES TA WORST...IN FCS....BRAWK!

ps....'NOTHERAH REASON....DELAWARE PLAYS ON EGG-SHELLS...TA NOT EMBARASS....DUH DOWNSTATE BROS.......DEREFO'......GAMES ARE LIKE WATCHIN'......HAIR GROW...AWK!

[BucBisonAtLarge]

Delaware vs Delaware State in the media manufactured "Route One Rivalry".

+1

[Go...gate]

The fact you include the "PA" indicates it is.

I root for Villanova in basketball like all the other Big Five/City Six teams, but there is one day a year I hate them. :)

I would have much preferred a Wildcats win over the Hawks in this year's tournament rather than UConn becoming unofficial Big Five champs on their way to becoming national champs though.

As for Villanova/Penn in football, when Penn is very good the rivalry is good because the games are close, even if Villanova always wins. When Penn is average or not as good however, yeah the rivalry isn't really a rivalry.

Villanova vs. St. Joe's at the Palestra. REAL College Basketball.

[Mattymc727]

UNH Vs Dartmouth has a pretty long history, plus it is the Granite State Bowl (or whatever they call it now). However it hasnt been competitive in 20 years and Dartmouth even asked for a 5 year hiatus recently...

[813Jag]

If you haven't played fifteen or more games you are not rivals, yet. Delaware - Del. State doesn't count.
+1

[813Jag]

Liberty vs. Coastal

Liberty won the first meeting, Chants won the next three, athletic department decided to manufacture a "rivalry", Flames won the next three of the next 4 and then CCU has the last two...
unless there's no fan interest that sounds like a good rivalry. Only thing lacking is length of the series (nothing either school can do about that) And to be fair unless schools have some natural bond (IE in the same state) most rivalries are manufactured in some way.

[bjtheflamesfan]

Fair enough...going with in state I'd go with Liberty-VMI. the Runnin Roos (who ran back to the SoCon this year) have two wins in the history of the series (as far as football goes), the fan interest is actually pretty low (and you didnt hear many people crying over VMI leaving) and for lack of a better way of putting it, they were basically a whipping boy outside of a couple games

[Houndawg]

The Citadel vs VMI is the worst rivalry.

The game's significance is never for more than the trophy.

We all like each other for the most part.

The loser is rarely to never sore about it.

I can see some dislike in years past, but in this day and age the alumni of both schools are so ideologically alike that it is almost as though we are just one school with different campuses.

And they have the common ground of not getting in to West Point....

[813Jag]

Fair enough...going with in state I'd go with Liberty-VMI. the Runnin Roos (who ran back to the SoCon this year) have two wins in the history of the series (as far as football goes), the fan interest is actually pretty low (and you didnt hear many people crying over VMI leaving) and for lack of a better way of putting it, they were basically a whipping boy outside of a couple games
Not trying to start a disagreement, just wondering what makes the matchup with CCU a bad rivalry. Is it a deal where there's no real feeling between the schools similar to LSU/Arkansas? Or is it one side cares and the other doesn't? I truly like hearing about these games. xpeacex

[superman7515]

Delaware was racist for not playing the game. Articles were written in Sports Illustrated, Outside the Lines investigated why the two major D1 public teams in a state would never face-off, newspapers nationwide impaled the Blue Hens for not lining up against their "natural rivals" just down the road, there were protests, letters to editors and articles in school papers, women cried in the streets... Then their prayers were answered! ESPN broadcast the game live nationally on a major network just to chastise UD some more about the historical snubbing, but the Blue Hens were about to get their comeuppance! They came up with a catchy name; the "Route 1 Rivalry", let's not bother to mention that neither school is near Route 1. The News Journal was so elated that the media push had worked that they procurred a bowling trophy to give to the winner. They searched high and low and found one player in all the combined years of college football at the schools that played for both the Hornets and Blue Hens and named an MVP award after him. Poor guy... Then they played the game. 44-7 later against a Hornets team that won the Black College National Championship, Tubby turns and says, "Did anybody bother to think this is why we never played them?" UD kept winning, and easily, so the people stopped coming. Instead of complaining about the Hens always dodging the Hornets, the exact same people started bitching and whining that the Hens were loading the schedule with "cupcakes like DelState". The fans stopped coming to the came. Hell, even Mother Nature tried to get rid of the game.

Well guess what, ya'll made it happen, now rock with it.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/79/The_Simpsons-Jeff_Albertson.png/222px-The_Simpsons-Jeff_Albertson.png

Worst rivalry ever.

[bjtheflamesfan]

Not trying to start a disagreement, just wondering what makes the matchup with CCU a bad rivalry. Is it a deal where there's no real feeling between the schools similar to LSU/Arkansas? Or is it one side cares and the other doesn't? I truly like hearing about these games. xpeacex
The thing with Liberty-CCU is that the AD here really hyped the game up, there were shirt giveaways and just really pushing that Coastal was our "rival". really looking at CCU's board (and roka may be able to confirm this) the first couple years, they really didnt care all that much beyond it being a conference game. With the relatively even results and both sides being involved in every Big South championship in one aspect or another since 2005, and now with an autobid on the line, the game has taken more significance

[Twentysix]

NDSU fans vs. USD Ticket Office

Had to rep this.

[813Jag]

The thing with Liberty-CCU is that the AD here really hyped the game up, there were shirt giveaways and just really pushing that Coastal was our "rival". really looking at CCU's board (and roka may be able to confirm this) the first couple years, they really didnt care all that much beyond it being a conference game. With the relatively even results and both sides being involved in every Big South championship in one aspect or another since 2005, and now with an autobid on the line, the game has taken more significance
I can understand that, sometimes it takes time for things to take hold, competing for titles does help big time.

[Twentysix]

We don't even play, grow up.

O RLY?

9/19/15

9/7/19

[Tribal]

All CAA teams (except URI) vs GA State.

#RisingTribe

[henfan]

It's more than just a bit disingenuous and, IMO, weird for anyone to suggest that there wasn't a racial component to the UD's historic avoidance of DSU. In one fell swoop though, UD erased the decades of stupidity and just scheduled the damn FB game. Guess what? The pillars of the Tub are still standing and the gloom and doom predicted by some if UD and DSU ever played didn't come to pass. It was and still is just about FB and UD proved, as most expected, to be the dominant program. Is anyone really surprised at that?xeyebrowx

I don't necessarily agree that a long-term series was warranted or that such a forced attempt at manufacturing a 'rivalry' was necessary. Still, no harm was done, honest efforts were made, both sides got what they expected (a win for UD; a guarantee for DSU) and the two schools will undoubtedly play one another from time to time going forward. Not that it has any impact at all but the fact that the two teams scheduled one another in the first place still REALLY seems to eat at some people. Quite a peculiar thing at this late date.

Heck, the Hens had better take care of business vs. Villanova because, over the last 8 years, that has developed into a poor excuse of a rivalry.

[AmsterBison]

Hands down, NDSU v Bye Week is the worst rivalry in the FCS. Sure, Bye Week has been on the schedule every year since 1894 but this year, once again, the tailgating was awful and the student section was empty. Personally, I find it harder and harder to get up for Bye Week each year. Plus their fans are pompous dicks.

[OhioHen]

By definition, it isn't a rivalry unless it's the "biggest" game on the schedule for BOTH teams' fanbases.

Delaware-Delaware State was never a rivalry because UD fans just plain didn't care.

[TypicalTribe]

By definition, it isn't a rivalry unless it's the "biggest" game on the schedule for BOTH teams' fanbases.

Delaware-Delaware State was never a rivalry because UD fans just plain didn't care.

Actually, by definition, the simple act of playing each other makes two teams rivals. But there are great rivalries, nasty rivalries, friendly rivalries, and yes, just plain bad rivalries. UD/DSU is a young, lopsided rivalry.

[KnightoftheRedFlash]

Rivalries are passé. Derbies are where it is at.

[MR. CHICKEN]

19764
By definition, it isn't a rivalry unless it's the "biggest" game on the schedule for BOTH teams' fanbases.

Delaware-Delaware State was never a rivalry because UD fans just plain didn't care.


....'NOTHERAH REASON WHAA......IT'S DUH WORST RIVALRY...IN FCS......BILLED AS UH RIVALRY......&......NOT UH RIVALRY.....IN DUH ACCEPTED SENSE........BROCK!!

[henfan]

Actually, by definition, the simple act of playing each other makes two teams rivals. But there are great rivalries, nasty rivalries, friendly rivalries, and yes, just plain bad rivalries. UD/DSU is a young, lopsided rivalry.

Leave it to the W&M guy to interject learned fact into the conversation! Young and lopsided captures it. May it someday become old and lopsided, like me.

[GannonFan]

Worst "rivalry" we have in football is Penn. Haven't beaten us in over a century, 13-5 all time. Quakers started 5-0, all from 1905-1911. Nova's gone 13-0 since 1980 including 12 of the last 16 years.

This reminds me of my yearly fight with SJU(PA) fans that the "Holy War" isn't really a rivalry.

Oh come on, the Holy War is a rivalry, stop trying to pretend it isn't. It's Big 5 basketball, and there's still plenty of people that enjoy Big 5 games (okay, no one really gets jacked up about watching LaSalle play Penn, but that's a different matter). Penn/nova in football is a cupcake game - Penn hasn't won since 1911 and the games aren't even close anymore. The Holy War is 8-4 in nova's favor over the last 12 and nova is up 35-25 since they've both been part of the Big 5. Certainly nova has the edge in the series, but to compare it to the Penn/nova football drubbings is disingenious. I don't think Penn will ever beat nova again in football - the Hawks could certainly beat nova in the next handful of years.

[dudeitsaid]

By definition, it isn't a rivalry unless it's the "biggest" game on the schedule for BOTH teams' fanbases.

Delaware-Delaware State was never a rivalry because UD fans just plain didn't care.
Then, by definition, it is impossible for a school to have more than one rival? Does anyone feel their school has more than one true rival?

[Thumper 76]

Then, by definition, it is impossible for a school to have more than one rival? Does anyone feel their school has more than one true rival?

SDSU has NDSU and usd.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Then, by definition, it is impossible for a school to have more than one rival? Does anyone feel their school has more than one true rival?

I propose that any school, which has played 90 or more games against more than one other school (and which continues to play those games), is permitted to claim more than one rival among them. By that measure we would have three.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Penn/Cornell yet, which has to be at least the equal in suckiness to Brown/Columbia, also suckiness-equal as well in the fact that it's overshadowed on the same day by two big rivalries in its own conference, and has the added aggravation of being more than a five hour drive from each other.

[chattanoogamocs]

Actually, by definition, the simple act of playing each other makes two teams rivals. But there are great rivalries, nasty rivalries, friendly rivalries, and yes, just plain bad rivalries. UD/DSU is a young, lopsided rivalry.

ri·val·ry noun \ˈrī-vəl-rē\ : a state or situation in which people or groups are competing with each other


I think the definition of "rivalry" has morphed into games against bitter and long standing opponents, especially in sports, but if you go back to the actual definition...a rivalry is anyone you play because you are both trying to get the win. As TypicalTribe pointed out, every game is technically a rivalry...but some are bigger rivals than others (based on animosity, respect...or just plain ole apathy)

[melloware13]

I propose that any school, which has played 75 or more games against more than one other school (and which continues to play those games), is permitted to claim more than one rival among them. By that measure we would have three.
I don't know if 75 is needed, but some history. For example: UD's primary football rival is Villanova, and I think it's mutual. That one developed due to proximity (and being fairly even all-time). However, within the CAA, UD also has JMU which has developed due to being very similar institutions and being competitive. But neither of those match-ups have been played 75 times, and the Hens haven't played anyone 75 times.

Note: The Route 1 "Rivalry" is the worst FCS rivalry, and if it were continued to be played 75 times (kill me), it'd probably be at least 70-5 Hens

[dudeitsaid]

ri·val·ry noun \ˈrī-vəl-rē\ : a state or situation in which people or groups are competing with each other


I think the definition of "rivalry" has morphed into games against bitter and long standing opponents, especially in sports, but if you go back to the actual definition...a rivalry is anyone you play because you are both trying to get the win. As TypicalTribe pointed out, every game is technically a rivalry...but some are bigger rivals than others (based on animosity, respect...or just plain ole apathy)
Well stated! I agree entirely!

[thebootfitter]

NDSU UND.
Not even close to true, 26, and you know it. Especially when you look at the intent of the OP. You really think NDSU isn't any good and our fan base is apathetic?

In the heyday of the rivalry, it was about as good of a "rivalry" as you could ask for. Both teams were good. Both fan bases were passionate. Players on both sides got fired up for this game. Of course, the rivalry is tainted now, and may not ever reach the status it once held, which is fine with me. No need to force anything if it's not really there.


UND fits the bill for every negative description you gave.
The UND of today... Absolutely agree.

[Grizalltheway]

Not even close to true, 26, and you know it. Especially when you look at the intent of the OP. You really think NDSU isn't any good and our fan base is apathetic?

In the heyday of the rivalry, it was about as good of a "rivalry" as you could ask for. Both teams were good. Both fan bases were passionate. Players on both sides got fired up for this game. Of course, the rivalry is tainted now, and may not ever reach the status it once held, which is fine with me. No need to force anything if it's not really there.


The UND of today... Absolutely agree.

Hook, line, sinker, and maybe even the boat. xlolxxlolx

[Yotes]

I still can't believe UND agreed to go to Fargo twice with no return trip. Same deal Delaware State got with Delaware....

[Lehigh Football Nation]

It's hard to truly pick the proper criteria for "worst rivalry"? Noncompetitive? Astroturfed? Non-regional? Non-similar institutions? Non-conference matchups?

It seems to me that the "worst rivalry" games at least have something that make them similar to true good rivalry games, like proximity (UD/Del State), trophies (App State/WCU), many times played (Penn/Cornell). It also seems like there needs to have something of an astroturfed quality to them, media making something out of it when it's really nothing, like shopping JMU/Towson during "Rivalry Week" or something.

By this criteria Del/Del State seems to be the winner. But here's a curveball. What about Portland State/Montana? For a while there, there was some attempts at astroturfing that one, I think.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Temple-Villanova might be one of the most unusual FCS rivalries. The rivalry is obviously based in basketball but over the years the football games have received quite a bit of attention. The Mayor's Cup will resume in 2016 after a brief hiatus....

[Bogus Megapardus]

I'm going to have to go with Delaware vs. West Chester as the worst-ever rivalry. Fifty-five games over a span of seventy years. I know Blue Hen fans don't wish to be reminded but hey, it did happen.

[superman7515]

I'm going to have to go with Delaware vs. West Chester as the worst-ever rivalry. Fifty-five games over a span of seventy years. I know Blue Hen fans don't wish to be reminded but hey, it did happen.

In defense though, when it started, both teams were D2 separated by only 20 miles. It then continued because the Pres was from West Chester and playing UD every year literally paid for their entire football teams scholarships.

[Laker]

Maine vs. URI, UNH vs. URI......anyone in New England vs. URI.

This isn't meant to be inflammatory but I just don't understand how URI still has an FCS football program.xconfusedx

Is the state of Vermont antifootball or what is the deal there?

[MR. CHICKEN]

Is the state of Vermont antifootball or what is the deal there?

19765....VERMONT CATAMOUNTS...DROPPED DUH PIGGY AFTERAH 1974 SEASON.......HOCKEY & ROUNDBALL......KEEP 'EM ACTIVE NOW........BRAWK!

[CHIP72]

Heck, the Hens had better take care of business vs. Villanova because, over the last 8 years, that has developed into a poor excuse of a rivalry.

Yeah, if the recent trend continues, the primary, non-HBCU school in the First State will need to rename themselves the Delaware (Colorless) Hens.

[CHIP72]

Then, by definition, it is impossible for a school to have more than one rival? Does anyone feel their school has more than one true rival?

In the post right above yours the Philadelphia Big FIVE was mentioned (albeit in a basketball context). And that intra-city squabble doesn't include Drexel vs some of those schools (particularly Penn and to a lesser degree St. Joe's, and neither of those schools are as big a rival to Drexel as Delaware is), Villanova/Georgetown, Penn/Princeton, or some of the former Big East and A-10 rivalries (like Villanova/Syracuse, Villanova/Connecticut, St. Joe's/Xavier, or Temple/Xavier).

I realize it isn't Division I-AA, but back in the (much better for Division I-A Eastern college football) days, Penn State was big rivals with Pitt, Syracuse, AND West Virginia. In Division II in the Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference, many of the better teams in each division (like Bloomsburg, West Chester, Shippensburg, and East Stroudsburg in the East and IUP, California, and Slippery Rock in the West) are significant rivals with each other.

[CHIP72]

Temple-Villanova might be one of the most unusual FCS rivalries. The rivalry is obviously based in basketball but over the years the football games have received quite a bit of attention. The Mayor's Cup will resume in 2016 after a brief hiatus....

The fact some Temple fans think Villanova should never be on the Owls' schedule shows how much of a rivalry it is. Both teams' fans like to insult the other team's fans. It's a game that should be played every year (with Temple hopefully winning every year and both teams having excellent playoff or bowl qualifying seasons after they play).

It should be noted Temple/Villanova is an unusual Division I-A/Division I-AA (or FBS/FCS) rivalry that truly is a rivalry.

P.S. Hopefully they'll stop playing the Mayor's Cup game on a weeknight so I can actually attend for once.

[CHIP72]

Is the state of Vermont antifootball or what is the deal there?

More like anti-people if you look at the state's population. xlolx

[Bogus Megapardus]

Is the state of Vermont antifootball or what is the deal there?

In Vermont, football scientifically has been determined to constitute an anti-gender-normative scheme to further post-colonial patriarchal tribal aggression and negative, misogynistic cissexual assumptions. Sheesh . . . as if it requires an explanation! xsmhx




EDIT: I almost forgot - global warming too.

[BucBisonAtLarge]

In Vermont, football scientifically has been determined to constitute an anti-gender-normative scheme to further post-colonial patriarchal tribal aggression and negative, misogynistic cissexual assumptions. Sheesh . . . as if it requires an explanation! xsmhx




EDIT: I almost forgot - global warming too.

and obstacle to the implementation of single-payor health care...

Actually, Plymouth State in VT has recently added D3 football.

[Vitojr130]

Personally, I don't like the NDSU/SDSU rivalry. It feels so.... manufactured. Yes, they are a similar institution in our region that is the other state school nearby, but is just feels fake.

[Sader87]

and obstacle to the implementation of single-payor health care...

Actually, Plymouth State in VT has recently added D3 football.

Plymouth St has had football for awhile. One of its playahs, Joe Dudek, was on the covah of Sports Illustrated in the 1980s......and it's in New Haaaampshah.

[paward]

Honorable mention: Georgia Southern vs Savannah State FCS was totally insane. GS now FBS should never schedule these neighbors.

[superman7515]

I realize it isn't Division I-AA, but back in the (much better for Division I-A Eastern college football) days, Penn State was big rivals with Pitt, Syracuse, AND West Virginia. In Division II in the Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference, many of the better teams in each division (like Bloomsburg, West Chester, Shippensburg, and East Stroudsburg in the East and IUP, California, and Slippery Rock in the West) are significant rivals with each other.

Florida State/Florida/Miami is definitely a rivalry with each team hating the other two. Army/Navy/Air Force. USC/Cal/Stanford/UCLA.

Michigan had Ohio State and Notre Dame, and to a lesser extent Michigan State, although the Spartans didn't have as much success as the other two historically. Texas vs Texas A&M and Oklahoma.

It's absolutely possible to have more than one rival.

[WileECoyote06]

By definition, it isn't a rivalry unless it's the "biggest" game on the schedule for BOTH teams' fanbases.

Delaware-Delaware State was never a rivalry because UD fans just plain didn't care.

Apparently Delaware fans care a lot because folks keep mentioning the Delaware-Delaware State 'rivalry' in this thread. xlolx

Welp, since any team we play can be considered a rival, I declare the Duke Blue Devils to be our rivals. Their students are assholes, we're in the same town, and . . . . .did I say their students are assholes already? We haven't beaten them at anything since the secret basketball game back in the 1940s.

Worst rivalry ever!

[813Jag]

Florida State/Florida/Miami is definitely a rivalry with each team hating the other two. Army/Navy/Air Force. USC/Cal/Stanford/UCLA.

Michigan had Ohio State and Notre Dame, and to a lesser extent Michigan State, although the Spartans didn't have as much success as the other two historically. Texas vs Texas A&M and Oklahoma.

It's absolutely possible to have more than one rival.
so true, for Southern we have Grambling, Jackson State, Alcorn, and FAMU (even though we don't play much any more)

[WestCoastAggie]

It is difficult to call any rivalry bad. I know Murray State vs. Western Kentucky lost steam since they went FBS. Also, A&T vs. Howard doesn't get fans hype as that match up used to.

As as far as Rivalries go, A&T vs. NCCU had some bad moments, especially that massive arena-wide basketball brawl in 1989 and that band fight between Prairie View and Southern in 1998 was tragically, and hilariously epic.

[WileECoyote06]

It is difficult to call any rivalry bad. I know Murray State vs. Western Kentucky lost steam since they went FBS. Also, A&T vs. Howard doesn't get fans hype as that match up used to.

As as far as Rivalries go, A&T vs. NCCU had some bad moments, especially that massive arena-wide basketball brawl in 1989 and that band fight between Prairie View and Southern in 1998 was tragically, and hilariously epic.

No I don't think they mean that type of rivalry. Our rivalry is as heated as its ever been.

They had a great crowd for a volleyball match between two winless teams, last week.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Byf3csCIYAETQoc.jpg:large

[WestCoastAggie]

No I don't think they mean that type of rivalry. Our rivalry is as heated as its ever been.

They had a great crowd for a volleyball match between two winless teams, last week.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Byf3csCIYAETQoc.jpg:large


You got to admit that '89 brawl or this from 2007 was a bad moment in our good but heated rivalry:

http://simg.sportsbybrooks.com/2/2/2225b79563e160033b4bfcd407470dcb_ncfight1.JPG

[PAllen]

It is difficult to call any rivalry bad. I know Murray State vs. Western Kentucky lost steam since they went FBS. Also, A&T vs. Howard doesn't get fans hype as that match up used to.

As as far as Rivalries go, A&T vs. NCCU had some bad moments, especially that massive arena-wide basketball brawl in 1989 and that band fight between Prairie View and Southern in 1998 was tragically, and hilariously epic.

The game sold out last weekend. Or at least that's what the box score said.

[hktribefan]

Any rivalry that crosses divisions has to be up there. A lot of those are historical, but hard to really be a rivalry when one team is handicapped.

[wapiti]

Leave it to Griz fans to nominate the Cat Griz as a worst rivalry in FCS. xeyebrowx xchinscratchx




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[Catatonic]

Abilene Christian v Incarnate Word is the NEWEST Worst Rivalry going. These two were not rivals when they both played in the same conference in D2 but somehow now that they are both moving up to FCS, the press has made this game out to be a "rivalry" match up. Um, no.

Let ACU and UIW develop a rivalry with new conference mates as they become established members of the Southland. I am guessing ACU-SFA and UIW-HBU become better, bigger rivalry games over time.

[BisonFan02]

NDSU and Ga Southern......too lopsided. :D

[PAllen]

Davidson vs. College of the Faith

It's still young, but this soon to be rivalry game is destined to be played nearly every year.

[813Jag]

It is difficult to call any rivalry bad. I know Murray State vs. Western Kentucky lost steam since they went FBS. Also, A&T vs. Howard doesn't get fans hype as that match up used to.

As as far as Rivalries go, A&T vs. NCCU had some bad moments, especially that massive arena-wide basketball brawl in 1989 and that band fight between Prairie View and Southern in 1998 was tragically, and hilariously epic.
that was an isolated (and dumb) incident (that I was present for), but there's no rivalry between the two of us

[Catatonic]

Florida State/Florida/Miami is definitely a rivalry with each team hating the other two. Army/Navy/Air Force. USC/Cal/Stanford/UCLA.

Michigan had Ohio State and Notre Dame, and to a lesser extent Michigan State, although the Spartans didn't have as much success as the other two historically. Texas vs Texas A&M and Oklahoma.

It's absolutely possible to have more than one rival.

Among SEC schools, multiple rivals seem to be the norm--Georgia/Florida/Auburn/Georgia Tech, for example.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Definitely "worst rivals" have one ingredient of a good rivalry, but have had it ruined in one or multiple ways, based on uncompetitiveness, bad marketing, or one school simply doesn't want to play it anymore for multiple reasons.

[ysubigred]

xeyebrowxYSU really has no rival's in Football? Akron, Kent, and Dayton could be great one's but we all know that's not going to happen. UNI would be the next best thing to a rival so I'd say this is a bad one because YSU can't beat these Purple Pussies... um Catz... Panthers "IF" UNI put their band in the pads.. YSU would find a way to blow it xdrunkyx

[WestCoastAggie]

The game sold out last weekend. Or at least that's what the box score said.

it wasn't a sellout and A&T had a strong alumni fan base at the game.

[bkrownd]

Is the state of Vermont antifootball or what is the deal there?

Vermont is a D3 state - they have Norwich and Middlebury, but they don't even play each other. The only reason I can think of why they never play is that Middlebury is part of NESCAC, and NESCAC teams don't seem to play any non-conference games.

[Thumper 76]

Personally, I don't like the NDSU/SDSU rivalry. It feels so.... manufactured. Yes, they are a similar institution in our region that is the other state school nearby, but is just feels fake.

It may have started that way, but I would say it's developed into one.

[BisonFan02]

It may have started that way, but I would say it's developed into one.

It helps when you guys are good...making the playoffs and stuff. :D

[KUlawJack]

Personally, I don't like the NDSU/SDSU rivalry. It feels so.... manufactured. Yes, they are a similar institution in our region that is the other state school nearby, but is just feels fake.

I'd like to hear a response from the players who have participated in the games for the past 10 years since we moved up. My friends that played will tell you its a rivalry. The hitting is a little harder in that game than in others. Crowd size at both venues would demonstrate the fans sure as hell enjoy it.

*cue smack talk from NDSU fan in 3...2...1....*

[BisonFan02]

I'd like to hear a response from the players who have participated in the games for the past 10 years since we moved up. My friends that played will tell you its a rivalry. The hitting is a little harder in that game than in others. Crowd size at both venues would demonstrate the fans sure as hell enjoy it.

*cue smack talk from NDSU fan in 3...2...1....*

Why would we do such a thing? :D At least you guys are not USD..... xlolx

[KUlawJack]

Why would we do such a thing? :D At least you guys are not USD..... xlolx

I was expecting NoDak 4 Ever but you'll do. xlolx

[darell1976]

It may have started that way, but I would say it's developed into one.

Its a cute little rivalry.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

It helps when you guys are good...making the playoffs and stuff. :D

The dickishness reported in Downtown Brookings after last years game seemed pretty nasty.

[TypicalTribe]

Great rivalries are driven by some combination of georgraphy, history and competitiveness. The best have a healthy dose of all three and the worst, which I was thinking of when I started the thread, have little of them.

William & Mary is a good example. I've always thought we had three "rivalry" games; Delaware, JMU and Richmond. We've always played Delaware on the earlier side of the conference schedule and it was a great measuring stick game against historically the flagship program of the conference. The JMU game was the game I most hated to see us lose simply because of the fan base. Lastly, the Richmond game is the most "historic" but it never quite had the vibe you would expect. Part of it was that since it was always the last game, it would lose some luster if the postseason wasn't on the line. Honestly, the ODU matchup got nastier from the getgo than the Richmond game has ever been. Unfortunately, the Monarchs were gone before the rivalry could really get going.

The UNH series has largely gone the Tribe's way but with the two schools so far apart and no alumni overlap, there's not much to it. Maine even more so and URI doesn't even register.

[KUlawJack]

The dickishness reported in Downtown Brookings after last years game seemed pretty nasty.

Like 4 college students being drunk and dumb? I'm sure all SDSU fans acted terribly to all NDSU fans.

Im sure all NDSU fans were gracious in defeat as well.

[Engineer86]

Definitely "worst rivals" have one ingredient of a good rivalry, but have had it ruined in one or multiple ways, based on uncompetitiveness, bad marketing, or one school simply doesn't want to play it anymore for multiple reasons.

LU v UD ... Base on this thread it is clear UD wanted to play DSU

[Thumper 76]

Like 4 college students being drunk and dumb? I'm sure all SDSU fans acted terribly to all NDSU fans.

Im sure all NDSU fans were gracious in defeat as well.

Oh I would have thought it ratcheted up after we ruined their "bowl bid" in '07.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Like 4 college students being drunk and dumb? I'm sure all SDSU fans acted terribly to all NDSU fans.

Im sure all NDSU fans were gracious in defeat as well.

Since it's such a rare occasion, it's hard to remember.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Oh I would have thought it ratcheted up after we ruined their "bowl bid" in '07.


That loss in '07 was a tough one for sure. IMO, NDSU was the better team by far throughout the whole season but on that day, SDSU played lights out.

That was SDSU's first conference title in something like 1/2 a century....

[KUlawJack]

That loss in '07 was a tough one for sure. IMO, NDSU was the better team by far throughout the whole season but on that day, SDSU played lights out.

That was SDSU's first conference title in something like 1/2 a century....

Who was the coach that got you guys off the ground in 1963?

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Who was the coach that got you guys off the ground in 1963?

Darrell Mudra.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Darrell Mudra.

I went to grad school at Eastern Ill...I think Mudra is in their HOF.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I went to grad school at Eastern Ill...I think Mudra is in their HOF.

He's certainly a big part of Northern Iowa's history.

[Appaholic]

Well, before App became so awesome that they could no longer be contained in the FCS, much less the SoCon, and had to move to the bright lights of FBS with other powerhouse programs such as Troy & Georgia State, the App - WCU rivalry really was kind of pathetic. Irony is I think WCU, still in SoCon & FCS, would actually give App with their 85 schollies a game this year....