Early All-America Outlook

[smallcollegefbfan]

I have been watching as much film as I can right now and so far here is what I have come up with.

FCS MID-SEASON ALL-AMERICA TEAMS
FIRST TEAM OFFENSE
WR R.J. Harris, New Hampshire, Sr.
WR Cooper Kupp, Eastern Washington, Soph.
WR Tre McBride, William & Mary, Sr.
TE MyCole Pruitt, Southern Illinois, Sr.
OL Antoine Everett, McNeese State, Sr.
OL Chad Hamilton, Coastal Carolina, Sr.
OL Ned Daryoush, Lehigh, Sr.
OL Robert Myers, Tennessee State, Sr.
OL Nick Easton, Harvard, Sr.
QB Vernon Adams, Eastern Washington, Jr.
RB John Crockett, North Dakota State, Sr.
RB Zach Zenner, South Dakota State, Sr.

FIRST TEAM DEFENSE
DL James Cowser, Southern Utah, Jr.
DL Kyle Emanuel, North Dakota State, Sr.
DL Connor Underwood, Indiana State, Jr.
DL Zack Wagenmann, Montana, Sr.
LB Quinn Backus, Coastal Carolina, Sr.
LB Isiah Corbett, Southeastern Louisiana, Sr.
LB Lynden Trail, Norfolk State, Sr.
LB Tony Bell, UT Martin, Sr.
CB De’Ante Saunders, Tennessee State, Sr.
CB Tony McRae, North Carolina A&T, Jr.
S Jaquiski Tartt, Samford, Sr.
S Dean Marlowe, James Madison, Sr.

FIRST TEAM SPECIALISTS
K Michael Schmadeke, UNI, Jr.
P Kyle Loomis, Portland State, Sr.
RS Tommy Hudson, Chattanooga, Sr.

SECOND TEAM OFFENSE
WR Chris King, Duquesne, Jr.
WR Shaydon Kehano, Weber State, Sr.
WR Darrin Peterson, Liberty, Jr.
TE Harold Spears, New Hampshire, Sr.
OL Quentin Marsh, McNeese State, Sr.
OL Jonathan Burgess, Liberty, Jr.
OL Jake Rodgers, Eastern Washington, Sr.
OL William Ray Robinson III, NC A&T, Sr.
OL Jermaine Barton, Illinois State, Sr.
QB John Robertson, Villanova, Jr.
RB David Johnson, UNI, Sr.
RB Malcolm Agnew, Southern Illinois, Sr.

SECOND TEAM DEFENSE
DL Xavier Williams, UNI, Sr.
DL Ryan Delaire, Towson, Sr.
DL Mike Reilly, William & Mary, Sr.
DL O.J. Mau, Gardner-Webb, Jr.
LB Ronnie Hamlin, Eastern Washington, Sr.
LB Evan Byers, Bucknell, Sr.
LB Luke Rhodes, William & Mary, Jr.
LB Don Cherry, Villanova, Jr.
CB Tye Smith, Towson, Sr.
CB Deandre Houston-Carson, William & Mary, Jr.
S Jacob Hagen, Liberty, Sr.
S Caleb Schaffitzel, Missouri State, Sr.

SECOND TEAM SPECIALISTS
K Preston Clark, Alabama State, Fr.
P Christian Guzman, Houston Baptist, Fr.
RS Tay Willis, Southern Illinois, Sr.

HONORABLE MENTION
QB Michael Nebrich, Fordham, Sr.
QB Bryan Bennett, Southeastern Louisiana, Sr.
QB Dakota Prukop, Montana State, Soph.
RB Gus Johnson, Stephen F. Austin, Sr.
RB Martin Ruiz, Youngstown State, Soph.
RB Khairi Dickson, Saint Francis PA, Jr.
RB Herb Walker Jr., Morgan State, Soph.
RB Tyler Varga, Yale, Sr.
RB Tarik Cohen, NC A&T, Soph.
WR Adam Drake, Eastern Illinois, Sr.
WR Julian Stafford, Mississippi Valley State, Sr.
WR Dezmin Lewis, Central Arkansas, Sr.
TE Kenneth Bibbins, Houston Baptist, Sr.
TE Will Tye, Stony Brook, Sr.
TE Corey Jordan, UT Martin, Sr.
TE Tiai Salanoa, Montana State, Sr.
TE Eric Saubert, Drake, Jr.
TE Deane Cheatham, James Madison, Jr.
OL Rocco Ammons, Illinois State, Sr.
OL Rob Bowman, New Hampshire, Sr.
OL Vince Kowalski, Villanova, Sr.
OL Mike Coccia, New Hampshire, Sr.
OL Austin Gund, Richmond, Sr.
DL Gary Wilkins, Furman, Sr.
DL Javon Hargrave, South Carolina State, Jr.
DL Zach Hodges, Harvard, Sr.
DL Davis Tull, Chattanooga, Sr.
DL Derrick Lott, Chattanooga, Sr.
DL Samson Ebukam, Eastern Washington, Soph.
DL Anthony Bass, Tennessee State, Sr.
DL Sage Harold, James Madison, Sr.
DL Alec May, Georgetown, Sr.
DL Jonathan Woodard, Central Arkansas, Jr.
DL Edward Mosley, Alabama State, Sr.
LB Tyler Williamson, Southern Illinois, Sr.
LB Kourtney Berry, Alabama State, Soph.
LB Mike Zeuli, Princeton, Sr.
LB Nick Dzubnar, Cal Poly, Sr.
LB Carlton Littlejohn, North Dakota State, Sr.
CB Jermaine Hough, Jacksonville State, Jr.
CB Rayshan Clark, Albany, Soph.
CB Donald Mattocks, NC A&T, Sr.
S Daniel Fitzpatrick, Tennessee State, Sr.
S Tevin McDonald, Eastern Washington, Sr.
S Christian Ricard, Stony Brook, Sr.
S Clayton Ewell, Bucknell, Jr.
S Brent Spikes, McNeese State, Jr.
S Aaron Sam, McNeese State, Sr.
S Kyle Griffin, Northern Colorado, Sr.
S Christian Dudzik, North Dakota State, Sr.

[Green26]

Thanks. You should keep an eye on d-tackle Tonga Takai of Montana. 6'2", 305. Played all 79 plays against North Dakota St. He's a beast. Didn't play last Saturday. Safety Matt Hermanson is very good too, but maybe not all-american quality. The defensive coaches have compared him with Colt Anderson, who is about a 5th year guy in the NFL.

[Tribe4SF]

CB Deandre Houston-Carson has been sensational so far for W&M. The 6'1" 200 Junior has 35 tackles...1.5 TFL...1 INT...3 PBU...2 FR...1 blocked FG...and a blocked kick return for 2 pt conversion. Not a better tackling Corner around.

[Professor Chaos]

Thanks. You should keep an eye on d-tackle Tonga Takai of Montana. 6'2", 305. Played all 79 plays against North Dakota St. He's a beast. Didn't play last Saturday. Safety Matt Hermanson is very good too, but maybe not all-american quality. The defensive coaches have compared him with Colt Anderson, who is about a 5th year guy in the NFL.

Hermanson is impressive. There was a play in the NDSU game where Crockett was going to try to juke him but he closed so fast Crockett couldn't even make a move and drove him backwards.

[clenz]

All 4 running backs out of the same conference.


If you want to win in this league you better be able to stop the run

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[underdawg]

All 4 running backs out of the same conference.


If you want to win in this league you better be able to stop the run

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Plus Martin Ruiz from Youngstown is on HM list

[Mattymc727]

It would be awesome if the FCS had its own all-star game before the draft in which all of these All Americans would play. Having the first team go up against the second team or something like that. Especially this year, where each team has a top tier QB, RB, and WR crew.

Maybe East vs West too

[clenz]

Plus Martin Ruiz from Youngstown is on HM list
9 of the top 10 RB in the MVFC are over 5 YPC...the 10th is a QB at 4.7



Player
YPC
Rushes


Jasper Sanders
8.1
38


Zach Zenner
6.8
95


Marshaun Copich
6.8
63


David Johnson
6.3
63


Malcolm Agnew
6.3
86


Calan Crowder
6.3
47


John Crocket
5.8
84


Martin Ruiz
5.2
88


J.C. Baker
5
92

[Rjones61]

John Crockett is good, but I don't think he is first team material. JMHO.

[Thumper 76]

All 4 running backs out of the same conference.


If you want to win in this league you better be able to stop the run

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Just shows the MVFC overall offensive philosophy. Open your mouth, we're going to slam the ball down there.

[CrazyCat]

Those numbers will significantly drop once they face the impossibility of running against MVFC defenses.

[smallcollegefbfan]

CB Deandre Houston-Carson has been sensational so far for W&M. The 6'1" 200 Junior has 35 tackles...1.5 TFL...1 INT...3 PBU...2 FR...1 blocked FG...and a blocked kick return for 2 pt conversion. Not a better tackling Corner around.

Sorry I was cutting and pasting and him being omitted was an error. He is in the there now.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Thanks. You should keep an eye on d-tackle Tonga Takai of Montana. 6'2", 305. Played all 79 plays against North Dakota St. He's a beast. Didn't play last Saturday. Safety Matt Hermanson is very good too, but maybe not all-american quality. The defensive coaches have compared him with Colt Anderson, who is about a 5th year guy in the NFL.

I almost listed both on the honorable mention group.

[smallcollegefbfan]

It would be awesome if the FCS had its own all-star game before the draft in which all of these All Americans would play. Having the first team go up against the second team or something like that. Especially this year, where each team has a top tier QB, RB, and WR crew.

Maybe East vs West too

It can never happen for several reasons.

1. There are other games who try to invite just FCS or D2 to a game but the top 50 or so FCS players go to the Senior Bowl, NFLPA, Shrine, and Medal of Honor where there are players from all divisions.
2. Underclassmen can't play and some FCS positions are so weak that the game would not have the depth you need.
3. Having the top guys play in major games is the best way to help their draft status as well.
4. A FCS only game has been tried twice and they can't get enough money or make the money to continue that type of game.

[smallcollegefbfan]

John Crockett is good, but I don't think he is first team material. JMHO.

RB is so close this year you can go either way. Johnson is better than Crockett but hasn't had the rushing production he has. His best numbers have been as a receiver and was mostly done in the Iowa game.

You could flip Agnew for Dickson, Cyrus, or Gus Johnson. It's really too early to put together a very solid All-America list but thought I would create some chatter about it.

[BestDaneSinceHamlet]

Don't forget Omar Osbourne, currently leading the CAA in rushing at 135 ypg, who was first team All-CAA last year as well.

[Rjones61]

RB is so close this year you can go either way. Johnson is better than Crockett but hasn't had the rushing production he has. His best numbers have been as a receiver and was mostly done in the Iowa game.

You could flip Agnew for Dickson, Cyrus, or Gus Johnson. It's really too early to put together a very solid All-America list but thought I would create some chatter about it.

Very fair. These lists are very hard to put together, and you did a very good job. You might also think to give Shawn Johnson a good look as well. MSU did a good job at replacing Cody Kirk. Averaging 5.8 yards a carry and is only one place behind UNI's Johnson in all purpose yards.

[Grizalltheway]

If Van can start getting some more touches, I'll be surprised if he doesn't end up at least honorable mention or 3rd team. Hard to over-value a guy who averages 8 yards every time he gets the ball...

[clenz]

RB is so close this year you can go either way. Johnson is better than Crockett but hasn't had the rushing production he has. His best numbers have been as a receiver and was mostly done in the Iowa game.

You could flip Agnew for Dickson, Cyrus, or Gus Johnson. It's really too early to put together a very solid All-America list but thought I would create some chatter about it.

Outside of the Iowa DJ is over 7.2 YPC.
If you take the Iowa game and leave Hawaii out it's over 7.7 YPC
Against FCS teams DJ is over 9.8 YPC - and he's played only 4.5-5 quaters against FCS schools due to being pulled at half against TTU and in the third against UNC. Saywer has thrown the third most passes and TDs in the league this year

His numbers are there, he just doesn't carry the load the others do because UNI has a much more versatile offense around him - Kollmorgen is second in the league in YPG at 252, has thrown the third most passes and TDs in the league this year all while only playing 2 quarters against TTU and 3 against UNC while UNI ran the ball the entire third quarter

DJ has 63 carries, ZZ has 95, Crocket 84 (and a lower YPC), Martin 88 (and a lower YPC), Agnew 86, JC Baker 92 (and a lower YPC).

If DJ played on a team where he needed to carry the ball that much (I averaged those 5, which is 88 carries and gave DJ his average over those 88 carries) he would have 550 yards rushing, which would put him second in the league.

His numbers, just looking at "total" don't look as gaudy as the others, but you have to take into account other factors on that as well, IMO.

[clenz]

Those numbers will significantly drop once they face the impossibility of running against MVFC defenses.
I don't know if you're kidding or not...but.

ZZ averages like 4.8 YPC against MVFC schools but something crazy like 7-8 against OOC schools...I'll do some quick numbers

[Thumper 76]

Outside of the Iowa DJ is over 7.2 YPC.
If you take the Iowa game and leave Hawaii out it's over 7.7 YPC
Against FCS teams DJ is over 9.8 YPC - and he's played only 4.5-5 quaters against FCS schools due to being pulled at half against TTU and in the third against UNC. Saywer has thrown the third most passes and TDs in the league this year

His numbers are there, he just doesn't carry the load the others do because UNI has a much more versatile offense around him - Kollmorgen is second in the league in YPG at 252, has thrown the third most passes and TDs in the league this year all while only playing 2 quarters against TTU and 3 against UNC while UNI ran the ball the entire third quarter

DJ has 63 carries, ZZ has 95, Crocket 84 (and a lower YPC), Martin 88 (and a lower YPC), Agnew 86, JC Baker 92 (and a lower YPC).

If DJ played on a team where he needed to carry the ball that much (I averaged those 5, which is 88 carries and gave DJ his average over those 88 carries) he would have 550 yards rushing, which would put him second in the league.

His numbers, just looking at "total" don't look as gaudy as the others, but you have to take into account other factors on that as well, IMO.

When you play those two teams for FCS competition I should hope he has a crazy YPC. No way you can just extrapolate out those numbers either because it's fairly easy to assume if he carried the load that a Zenner does he would average less due to wear and the fact he would be a much larger part of the other teams game plan to stop him. Having a more versatile offense will hurt his total yards, but inflate his average with less focus and wear being put on him. Double edged sword.

[clenz]

I don't know if you're kidding or not...but.

ZZ averages like 4.8 YPC against MVFC schools but something crazy like 7-8 against OOC schools...I'll do some quick numbers

2014: (OOC only so far)
OOC: 4 games 95 carries 645 yards 6.8 YPC


2013:
OOC: 6 games 142 carries 1,062 yards (7.5 YPC)
MVFC: 8 games 209 carries 953 yards (4.6 ypc)

2012
OOC: 4 games 111 carries 962 yards (8.7 YPC)
MVFC: 8 games 174 carries 1045 yards (6.0 ypc)


Total
OOC: 14 games 348 carries 2669 yards (7.7 YPC)
MVFC: 16 games 383 carries 1998 yards (5.2 YPC)


Seems pretty clear to me MVFC rush defenses are a bitch to run against compared to others

[clenz]

When you play those two teams for FCS competition I should hope he has a crazy YPC. No way you can just extrapolate out those numbers either because it's fairly easy to assume if he carried the load that a Zenner does he would average less due to wear and the fact he would be a much larger part of the other teams game plan to stop him. Having a more versatile offense will hurt his total yards, but inflate his average with less focus and wear being put on him. Double edged sword.
Oh...but playing 3 quarters against a D3 doesn't affect numbers?

DJ averaged more YPC against MVFC teams the last two years...the "best way" to compare them as OOC can "skew" things



2013
Games
Att
Yards
Avg
TD


DJ
7
148
737
5
6


ZZ
8
209
953
4.6
10










2012







DJ
8
148
921
6.2
12


ZZ
8
172
1045
6
6










Total







DJ
15
296
1658
5.6
18


ZZ
16
381
1998
5.2
16

[smallcollegefbfan]

Outside of the Iowa DJ is over 7.2 YPC.
If you take the Iowa game and leave Hawaii out it's over 7.7 YPC
Against FCS teams DJ is over 9.8 YPC - and he's played only 4.5-5 quaters against FCS schools due to being pulled at half against TTU and in the third against UNC. Saywer has thrown the third most passes and TDs in the league this year

His numbers are there, he just doesn't carry the load the others do because UNI has a much more versatile offense around him - Kollmorgen is second in the league in YPG at 252, has thrown the third most passes and TDs in the league this year all while only playing 2 quarters against TTU and 3 against UNC while UNI ran the ball the entire third quarter

DJ has 63 carries, ZZ has 95, Crocket 84 (and a lower YPC), Martin 88 (and a lower YPC), Agnew 86, JC Baker 92 (and a lower YPC).

If DJ played on a team where he needed to carry the ball that much (I averaged those 5, which is 88 carries and gave DJ his average over those 88 carries) he would have 550 yards rushing, which would put him second in the league.

His numbers, just looking at "total" don't look as gaudy as the others, but you have to take into account other factors on that as well, IMO.

Very true. I believe Johnson is the best RB in FCS. He just needs to get more carries to have the overall numbers that will get on him on the first-team.

Johnson is one of the physically most impressive backs I have seen. He's better than Taliaferro, who went in the 4th round and is playing for the Ravens.

[Thumper 76]

Oh...but playing 3 quarters against a D3 doesn't affect numbers?

DJ averaged more YPC against MVFC teams the last two years...the "best way" to compare them as OOC can "skew" things



2013
Games
Att
Yards
Avg
TD


DJ
7
148
737
5
6


ZZ
8
209
953
4.6
10










2012







DJ
8
148
921
6.2
12


ZZ
8
172
1045
6
6










Total







DJ
15
296
1658
5.6
18


ZZ
16
381
1998
5.2
16



True. But that's not much of a gap in YPC, and I would put it right back to the arguement that while ZZ is the focal point of what defenses focus on, DJ is not as much due to the better versatility of UNI's offense, helping his YPC and helping him have fresher legs.

Either way, you can easily tell that they are both outstanding backs, and that the Valley defenses are a mother to run against.

[clenz]

Very true. I believe Johnson is the best RB in FCS. He just needs to get more carries to have the overall numbers that will get on him on the first-team.

Johnson is one of the physically most impressive backs I have seen. He's better than Taliaferro, who went in the 4th round and is playing for the Ravens.
DJ won't get those carries because UNI doesn't depend on him/the run game like the others...or run as many plays as SIU.

[Rjones61]

2014: (OOC only so far)
OOC: 4 games 95 carries 645 yards 6.8 YPC


2013:
OOC: 6 games 142 carries 1,062 yards (7.5 YPC)
MVFC: 8 games 209 carries 953 yards (4.6 ypc)

2012
OOC: 4 games 111 carries 962 yards (8.7 YPC)
MVFC: 8 games 174 carries 1045 yards (6.0 ypc)


Total
OOC: 14 games 348 carries 2669 yards (7.7 YPC)
MVFC: 16 games 383 carries 1998 yards (5.2 YPC)


Seems pretty clear to me MVFC rush defenses are a bitch to run against compared to others

Hardly a good sample. DJ's statistics are skewed, UNI played very few quality teams: (Hawaii 2.6 YPC, Iowa, 2.6 YPC, Wisconsin 2.3 YPC, Iowa 4.8) In three years, while the rest of the OOC schedule was very easy. This means he got a lot more carries in games which were easy yardage than in games that were not. It's not really fair to compare MVFC to the OOC schedule of UNI and extrapolate MVFC vs the rest of the FCS.

[clenz]

Hardly a good sample. DJ's statistics are skewed, UNI played very few quality teams: (Hawaii 2.6 YPC, Iowa, 2.6 YPC, Wisconsin 2.3 YPC, Iowa 4.8) In three years, while the rest of the OOC schedule was very easy. This means he got a lot more carries in games which were easy yardage than in games that were not. It's not really fair to compare MVFC to the OOC schedule of UNI and extrapolate MVFC vs the rest of the FCS.
Da fuq you talking about?

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[FargoBison]

Johnson was the best back I watched NDSU play against last year not named Terrance West and even that could be debated.

[Rjones61]

Da fuq you talking about?

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I'm talking about UNI having a weak OOC schedule. If they would make it to playoffs, you would have a better set of statistics.

[BisonFan02]

Johnson was the best back I watched NDSU play against last year not named Terrance West and even that could be debated.

I thought Johnson was better than West....more of a dual threat too catching the ball.

[clenz]

I'm talking about UNI having a weak OOC schedule. If they would make it to playoffs, you would have a better set of statistics.
I'm still confused with what you're trying to get at with the post your quoting and where you're trying to take this.


You're making no sense

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[FargoBison]

I thought Johnson was better than West....more of a dual threat too catching the ball.

It was hard to get a good feel for West with the horrible field conditions.

But based on the games I saw him play on TV he was the top back in the FCS last year.

[Rjones61]

I'm still confused with what you're trying to get at with the post your quoting and where you're trying to take this.


You're making no sense

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I thought you were making points about DJ's yardage, Zenner's. My mistake. But my point still stands. The OOC schedules have always had 2-3 real terrible teams to inflate statistics with. Notice you also excluded playoff games. Now, I agree that the MVFC has a stronger defense, but I don't think it's skewed to the degree the statistics you listed imply.

On DJ's statistics you excluded the two difficult OOC games and included the games against two weak FCS opponents to show very inflated performances.

[clenz]

I thought you were making points about DJ's yardage, Zenner's. My mistake. But my point still stands. The OOC schedules have always had 2-3 real terrible teams to inflate statistics with. Notice you also excluded playoff games. Now, I agree that the MVFC has a stronger defense, but I don't think it's skewed to the degree the statistics you listed imply.

On DJ's statistics you excluded the two difficult OOC games and included the games against two weak FCS opponents to show very inflated performances.
I still don't get what your trying to do based in what your quoting be.

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[Rjones61]

I still don't get what your trying to do based in what your quoting be.

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Alright, tomorrow I'll personal message you more explicit examples of what I am talking about. I'm not trying to rip anything apart, I just build more accurate statistics to represent the MVFC.

[kalm]

Quincy Forte is averaging 136 upgrade and 7.5 ypc. He didn't play last week and keeping him fresh for the playoffs may hurt his overall numbers though.

Tevin McDonald has been an absolute beast on a defense that's struggled.

I'd also keep my eyes on Eagle DE Samson Ebukam who has 4 sacks through just a couple of games. Very quick, very athletic.

[bjtheflamesfan]

chima Uzowihe is somebody you really ought to keep your ear to the ground on as far as the DL is concerned SCFBF

[clenz]

Alright, tomorrow I'll personal message you more explicit examples of what I am talking about. I'm not trying to rip anything apart, I just build more accurate statistics to represent the MVFC.
Dude... Stop...

You trying to have a conversation that literally hasn't existed. That's why i don't know that the **** you're talking about. I never will because you came in way late weekend a post and doing a 764746 degree turn with it... Just stop.


But, while we are here...


Why did you leave DJs 199 yard game against Iowa State of your list?

Or the fact he is over 1000 total yards in 5 fbs games in his career....?


Yeah... Just stop.

The fact you can't follow the conversation that was being had and the turn it until something different... Just...

No

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[Rjones61]

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Why did you leave DJs 199 yard game against Iowa State of your list?

Or the fact he is over 1000 total yards in 5 fbs games in his career....?


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Try 834. Most came from receiving. Maybe you should make a case about DJ as a receiver?

I made a case about GOOD teams. I included the good teams on my list. Iowa State was certainly not a good team that year.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Quincy Forte is averaging 136 upgrade and 7.5 ypc. He didn't play last week and keeping him fresh for the playoffs may hurt his overall numbers though.

Tevin McDonald has been an absolute beast on a defense that's struggled.

I'd also keep my eyes on Eagle DE Samson Ebukam who has 4 sacks through just a couple of games. Very quick, very athletic.

I like Samson. He's a guy I expect to be an All-American in 2015 for sure.

- - - Updated - - -


chima Uzowihe is somebody you really ought to keep your ear to the ground on as far as the DL is concerned SCFBF

Good player. If he had a couple more big plays in the backfield (sacks, TFL) I would have put him on the list.

DL is very deep this year in FCS.

[bjtheflamesfan]

I do think he could use a few more but I really think he is gonna be a favorite for Big South DPOY in 2015 and really could get his name on more than a few draft boards for teams that have a need on the line, so he is gonna be one to keep an eye on the rest of 2014

[clenz]

Try 834. Most came from receiving. Maybe you should make a case about DJ as a receiver?

I made a case about GOOD teams. I included the good teams on my list. Iowa State was certainly not a good team that year.
You're not very good at math.

In DJ's FBS games for his career he is over 1000 yards and is averaging 169 ypg in total yards.

You're bad at this.

If you want a 1 directional RB, that's fine. There are very few offenses that succeed with a RB that isn't a threat in the pass - especially in the style offense UNI runs.

DJ is averaging 4.89 YPC against FBS teams and 22.5 YPR...


So, you'll include Hawaii in the list of "good" teams but not Iowa State? Strange.... Seems like cherry picking to me....even without the 2013 Iowa State game DJ is over 4 ypc against FBS teams....

[clenz]

This is why I don't get what you were doing or where you were going.

This is the string of posts, in order. Tell me where/when/why you decided to jump in.

Started off with

All 4 running backs out of the same conference.


If you want to win in this league you better be able to stop the run

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That post was quoted inside of this one


Plus Martin Ruiz from Youngstown is on HM list

That post was quoted in this one, which shows just how good MVFC running backs have been so far

9 of the top 10 RB in the MVFC are over 5 YPC...the 10th is a QB at 4.7



Player
YPC
Rushes


Jasper Sanders
8.1
38


Zach Zenner
6.8
95


Marshaun Copich
6.8
63


David Johnson
6.3
63


Malcolm Agnew
6.3
86


Calan Crowder
6.3
47


John Crocket
5.8
84


Martin Ruiz
5.2
88


J.C. Baker
5
92




That post was quoted inside this one.

Just shows the MVFC overall offensive philosophy. Open your mouth, we're going to slam the ball down there.

This post was a stand alone, though likely a reply to my post about the average of each RB.

Those numbers will significantly drop once they face the impossibility of running against MVFC defenses.

I then quoted that post and said...

I don't know if you're kidding or not...but.

ZZ averages like 4.8 YPC against MVFC schools but something crazy like 7-8 against OOC schools...I'll do some quick numbers

I then quoted my own post and posted these ZZ stats to prove that even if he was trying to be douchey about it and taunt how good MVFC defense are...so I took ZZ's numbers (because they are the most gaudy) to prove that he was actually right and to show how good MVFC defense are.

2014: (OOC only so far)
OOC: 4 games 95 carries 645 yards 6.8 YPC


2013:
OOC: 6 games 142 carries 1,062 yards (7.5 YPC)
MVFC: 8 games 209 carries 953 yards (4.6 ypc)

2012
OOC: 4 games 111 carries 962 yards (8.7 YPC)
MVFC: 8 games 174 carries 1045 yards (6.0 ypc)


Total
OOC: 14 games 348 carries 2669 yards (7.7 YPC)
MVFC: 16 games 383 carries 1998 yards (5.2 YPC)


Seems pretty clear to me MVFC rush defenses are a bitch to run against compared to others. You'd see a similar drop, though maybe not as stark by every MVFC running back.

Some SDSU guy was like "OH...DJ BLAH BLAH TTU...BLAH BLAH BLAH....ZZ IS WAY BETTERZ!..."

So, I quoted him with stats to compare the two the only "fair" way possible...only conference numbers...

Oh...but playing 3 quarters against a D3 doesn't affect numbers?

DJ averaged more YPC against MVFC teams the last two years...the "best way" to compare them as OOC can "skew" things



2013
Games
Att
Yards
Avg
TD


DJ
7
148
737
5
6


ZZ
8
209
953
4.6
10










2012







DJ
8
148
921
6.2
12


ZZ
8
172
1045
6
6










Total







DJ
15
296
1658
5.6
18


ZZ
16
381
1998
5.2
16



Turns out, DJ puts up better stats against the MVFC, and that was without playing a very bad Indiana State team the last two years that ZZ got to face.


Then you decided to jump in with whatever anti-UNI/DJ bull**** you decided to throw in...

and then get proven wrong on it.

What's evern stranger out it, the post you quoted compared only conference play...and ****ing said that from the start...



Hardly a good sample. DJ's statistics are skewed, UNI played very few quality teams: (Hawaii 2.6 YPC, Iowa, 2.6 YPC, Wisconsin 2.3 YPC, Iowa 4.8) In three years, while the rest of the OOC schedule was very easy. This means he got a lot more carries in games which were easy yardage than in games that were not. It's not really fair to compare MVFC to the OOC schedule of UNI and extrapolate MVFC vs the rest of the FCS.


As I've said, I have no idea what you're trying to do/prove/say, so just stop

[Rjones61]

You're not very good at math.

In DJ's FBS games for his career he is over 1000 yards and is averaging 169 ypg in total yards.

You're bad at this.

If you want a 1 directional RB, that's fine. There are very few offenses that succeed with a RB that isn't a threat in the pass - especially in the style offense UNI runs.

DJ is averaging 4.89 YPC against FBS teams and 22.5 YPR...


So, you'll include Hawaii in the list of "good" teams but not Iowa State? Strange.... Seems like cherry picking to me....even without the 2013 Iowa State game DJ is over 4 ypc against FBS teams....


Let me break this down to you since you are one pithy S.O.B. that will jump down anyone's throat who tries to contribute to discussion and doesn't agree with you.

2014 Iowa:
Rushing 34
Receiving 203
Total: 237

2014 Hawaii:
Rushing 46
Receiving 73
Total: 119

2013 Iowa State:
Rushing 199
Receiving 41
Total: 240

2012 Wisconsin:
Rushing 18
Receiving 107
Total 125

2012 Iowa:
Rushing 77
Receiving 77
Total: 154

237 + 119 +240 + 125 + 154 = 875.

My first total was a little off, but still no 1000 yards. I see no special teams yards. If you knew anything about math, you would know that you can't reach 1000 yards in five games if you are averaging 169ypg. Go back to school.

[clenz]

Let me break this down to you since you are one pithy S.O.B. that will jump down anyone's throat who tries to contribute to discussion that doesn't agree with you.

2014 Iowa:
Rushing 34
Receiving 203
Total: 237

2014 Hawaii:
Rushing 46
Receiving 73
Total: 119

2013 Iowa State:
Rushing 199
Receiving 41
Total: 240

2012 Wisconsin:
Rushing 18
Receiving 107
Total 125

2012 Iowa:
Rushing 77
Receiving 77
Total: 154

237 + 119 +240 + 125 + 154 = 875

My first total was a little off, but still no 1000 yards. I see no special teams yards. If you knew anything about math, you would know that you can't reach 1000 yards in five games if you are averaging 169ypg. Go back to school.
You're leaving games off.

If you don't think you're leaving games off you're an idiot and it only furthers my point

Why are you leaving games off?

Why do you continue to cherry pick stats?

Why are you the one that's bad at math?

Why are you so bad at this?

[UNIFanSince1983]

Let me break this down to you since you are one pithy S.O.B. that will jump down anyone's throat who tries to contribute to discussion and doesn't agree with you.

2014 Iowa:
Rushing 34
Receiving 203
Total: 237

2014 Hawaii:
Rushing 46
Receiving 73
Total: 119

2013 Iowa State:
Rushing 199
Receiving 41
Total: 240

2012 Wisconsin:
Rushing 18
Receiving 107
Total 125

2012 Iowa:
Rushing 77
Receiving 77
Total: 154

237 + 119 +240 + 125 + 154 = 875.

My first total was a little off, but still no 1000 yards. I see no special teams yards. If you knew anything about math, you would know that you can't reach 1000 yards in five games if you are averaging 169ypg. Go back to school.

I really don't see how this conversation has anything to do with All-Americans for this year, but you did miss the Iowa State game in 2011 where Johnson had 36 rushing yards and 83 receiving yards.

However, 875+119 does only come out to 994. So you are both wrong. Now can we stop arguing minuscule stats that mean nothing to All-American status this year and get back to the discussion at hand.

[clenz]

I really don't see how this conversation has anything to do with All-Americans for this year, but you did miss the Iowa State game in 2011 where Johnson had 36 rushing yards and 83 receiving yards.

However, 875+119 does only come out to 994. So you are both wrong. Now can we stop arguing minuscule stats that mean nothing to All-American status this year and get back to the discussion at hand.Correct...I went and looked at what I had...I had the net, not gross, for one game in rushing.

So, it's 166 per game, not 169


You know, this guy would think better of DJ if he had the same YPG, but was more rush and receiving numbers were flipped...

Shocking that DJ doesn't have huge numbers against B10 Champion Wisconsin, or B10 West favorite (or top 2/3 west) Iowa.

I agree I don't get the point of this with discussion within the context of the thread...which is why I said, from the start when this guy jumped in, I don't know what he was tryig to accomplish

[Red & Black]

Tevin McDonald has been our defensive MVP through 5 games, no doubt. Dude is all over the field and creates turnovers. I'd be surprised if he's not a BSC 1st team selection.

[Rjones61]

Or the fact he is over 1000 total yards in 5 fbs games in his career....?


FIVE FBS GAMES. I was arguing the point of FIVE FBS games. He doesn't have 1,000 after six. I don't need to exclude anyone and my math is sound.

[melloware13]

It would be awesome if the FCS had its own all-star game before the draft in which all of these All Americans would play. Having the first team go up against the second team or something like that. Especially this year, where each team has a top tier QB, RB, and WR crew.

Maybe East vs West too

There is, at least it's starting this year: http://www.fcsbowl.com/ I found out it existed because it followed me on twitter.

[tomq04]

Why the hell did they choose Dec 7?

[Scooter]

Comparison Vs NDSU over careers....
DJ 3 GAMES Rush 39/243 3TD ...15/161 1 TD rec
ZZ 4 GAMES Rush 44/130 1TD...9/63 0 TD rec

I would rather face ZZ than DJ.

[melloware13]

Why the hell did they choose Dec 7?
xdrunkyx (I don't know).

[Green26]

9 of the top 10 RB in the MVFC are over 5 YPC...the 10th is a QB at 4.7



Player
YPC
Rushes


Jasper Sanders
8.1
38


Zach Zenner
6.8
95


Marshaun Copich
6.8
63


David Johnson
6.3
63


Malcolm Agnew
6.3
86


Calan Crowder
6.3
47


John Crocket
5.8
84


Martin Ruiz
5.2
88


J.C. Baker
5
92




Montana running backs: Van - 7.9 per carry and 5 TD's; Nguyen - 7.1 ; and Canada - 5. 9 NFL scouts in Missoula again this week. Looking mainly at Wagenmann, the d-end, and Van.

[Catatonic]

ACU SO QB Parker McKenzie is quietly putting up some impressive numbers. I say quietly because as a "transitional" team ACU stats don't show up on the NCAA FCS charts,If they did he would rank second in total yards (1568), third in YPG (313.6), second in TD's (14), and third in passing efficiency (175.6). That's against two FBS teams (granted, two weak FBS Sun Belt teams, but still FBS), and one OOC game against a 2013 play off team (Northern Arizona). No D2 or lower opponents thus far. Someone to watch.

[THE HERD]

How does Littlejohn, Dudzik and Heagle not at least make honorable mention? xeyebrowx

[smallcollegefbfan]

How does Littlejohn, Dudzik and Heagle not at least make honorable mention? xeyebrowx

I put Littlejohn and Dudzik on HM. I did leave Heagle off.

[Grizalltheway]

How does Littlejohn, Dudzik and Heagle not at least make honorable mention? xeyebrowx

HAWHAT?

YEEAH!