Ivy League Week 1 - 2014 Season

[bonarae]

Finally. The time has come to discuss the Ivies' 2014 season as it starts on Friday.

Games:

Holy Cross at Harvard - HC has two wins already along with a game they should've won (Albany)... toss-up likely?
Brown at Georgetown - toss-up also likely.
Fordham at Columbia - Rams have too much offense.
Cornell at Colgate - Raiders fell short to Delaware...
CCSU at Dartmouth - toss-up?
Penn at Jacksonville - why the ones playing D2/NAIA teams at this date tend not to schedule us whenever they have open dates that coincide with our set schedule? xsmhx
Princeton at San Diego - hmm...
Lehigh at Yale - Yale lost a lot...

[bulldog10jw]

Lehigh at Yale - Yale lost a lot...

Actually, Yale lost very little. But still no proven QB

[ngineer]

Actually, Yale lost very little. But still no proven QB

Well, Lehigh lost a lot, and has now lost 3 in a row. So what is going to show up in New Haven at this point is anyone's guess. Lot of nice young talent, but the inexperience and lack of size on the DL is showing.

[Go...gate]

Colgate - Cornell is a rivalry game, so anything could happen.

[bulldog10jw]

Well, Lehigh lost a lot, and has now lost 3 in a row. So what is going to show up in New Haven at this point is anyone's guess. Lot of nice young talent, but the inexperience and lack of size on the DL is showing.

I have no idea what to expect from Yale. The running game should be their strength, but you still have to put the ball in the air sometime. It all comes down to the QB who has to do more than just hand off to Varga.

The defense was brutal in the last two games last year. We will have to see if there is improvement, especially in the secondary. They were decent against the run, but horrible against the pass.....like a lot of teams, I guess.

[Go...gate]

Princeton opens at San Diego and then hosts Davidson. Good chance to build momentum.

[ngineer]

I have no idea what to expect from Yale. The running game should be their strength, but you still have to put the ball in the air sometime. It all comes down to the QB who has to do more than just hand off to Varga.

The defense was brutal in the last two games last year. We will have to see if there is improvement, especially in the secondary. They were decent against the run, but horrible against the pass.....like a lot of teams, I guess.

Based on this preliminary information, we could be witnessing a track meet with no defense showing up. Heard yesterday kickoff is 12 noon, so our buses have to leave at 6:30 a.m.!

[Go Green]

Just going by Sagarin...

Fordham Big
Harvard Big
Princeton big
Dartmouth big
Brown big
Penn smaller
Yale-Lehigh coin flip
Cornell-Colgate coin flip

[Ivytalk]

Harvard
Fordham
Dartmouth
Brown
Colgate
Princeton
Penn
Yale

[Pard4Life]

Colgate should take care of SUNY-Ithaca no problem.

[Skyhawk71]

Holy Cross @ Harvard
Brown @ Georgetown
Fordham @ Columbia
Cornell @ Colgate
Central Connecticut @ Dartmouth
Penn @ Jacksonville
Princeton @ San Diego
Lehigh @ Yale

[bulldog10jw]

Harvard
Fordham
CCSU
Brown
Colgate
Princeton
Penn
Lehigh

[Pard4Life]

Bump... sorry Bogie :D

[RichH2]

Harvard
Brown
Fordham
Colgate
Penn
Princeton
Lehigh

[jimbo65]

Harvard over HC, anyone know if, when, Fordham & Harvard meet again

Brown over Gtown, Gtown won its game for this yr. v. Marist

Fordham over Columbia might be as bad as last year, however, our QB is recuperating so they may pull him if we get a sizable lead

Colgate over Cornell

Dartmouth ove CCSC

Penn over Jville

Princeton over SD

Yale over Lehigh in a close one.

[Pard4Life]

Dartmouth might be a pretty good team, but they are at a clear disadvantage vs. an already tested CCSU.

[Go Green]

Dartmouth might be a pretty good team, but they are at a clear disadvantage vs. an already tested CCSU.

Same could be said for every Ivy team.

5 Dimes has Dartmouth at an 18 point favorite.

[Sader87]

CCSU was pretty sloppy at HC. Their #1 QB may be out too...he left the HC game late. They have some pretty good players on both sides of the ball but I think they are a work-in-progress.

[Go Green]

CCSU was pretty sloppy at HC. Their #1 QB may be out too...he left the HC game late.

Not sure that's good news for Dartmouth. Last time we played a team that had its QB knocked out the week before… we got our butts kicked.

http://www.goholycross.com/sports/m-footbl/2013-14/releases/20130928eyyyyw

[bonarae]

Harvard-Holy Cross has kicked off.

The 2014 Ivy League season is on!

[bulldog10jw]

Harvard-Holy Cross has kicked off.

The 2014 Ivy League season is on!

About time xrolleyesx

[ngineer]

Looking forward to the trip tomorrow. Bus pulls out of Bethlehem at 6:30 a.m.! Bloody Mary's, Screwdrivers, and plenty of beer providing the fuel.

[bulldog10jw]

Looking forward to the trip tomorrow. Bus pulls out of Bethlehem at 6:30 a.m.! Bloody Mary's, Screwdrivers, and plenty of beer providing the fuel.

Have fun. You should see a lot of points out of the Lehigh offense. Yale is starting 7 sophs and 2 freshman on defense.

[Pard4Life]

Looking forward to the trip tomorrow. Bus pulls out of Bethlehem at 6:30 a.m.! Bloody Mary's, Screwdrivers, and plenty of beer providing the fuel.

Uh, you do know that 150 is NOVEMBER 22, not September 22...

Oh wait you're a Lehigh grad, never mind, carry on...

[bonarae]

Harvard wins, 41-18.


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[Go Green]

Harvard wins, 41-18.



Good!

Fot whatever crazy reason, whenever Harvard blows out Holy Cross, the Crimson come up short in the Ivy standings. Let's hope that continues!!!

[Ivytalk]

Good!

Fot whatever crazy reason, whenever Harvard blows out Holy Cross, the Crimson come up short in the Ivy standings. Let's hope that continues!!!

Hard to generalize about the Holy Cross games, GG. Our 1997 and 2004 Ivy champ teams both blew out HC, but the 2011 team's only loss all year was to the Cross at Fitton.

[jayhawkdaddy]

Holy Cross @ Harvard
Brown @ Georgetown
Fordham @ Columbia
Cornell @ Colgate
Central Connecticut @ Dartmouth
Penn @ Jacksonville
Princeton @ San Diego
Lehigh @ Yale

[Model Citizen]

Jacksonville beat Penn today. San Diego ahead of Princeton, nearing halftime.

[bulldog10jw]

Jacksonville beat Penn today. San Diego ahead of Princeton, nearing halftime.

League loyalty be damned. I am always glad when Penn loses.

[Ivytalk]

League loyalty be damned. I am always glad when Penn loses.

Amen to that!

[Model Citizen]

San Diego won't win the PFL this year, but they are up 17 on Princeton.

How is Princeton supposed to fare in the Ivy League?

[bonarae]

San Diego won't win the PFL this year, but they are up 17 on Princeton.

How is Princeton supposed to fare in the Ivy League?

They were picked first in the Ivy media poll.

[Ivytalk]

And Princeton loses by 10, 39-29, to San Diego. So much for that undefeated season, Surace!:pxlolx

[aceinthehole]

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[bulldog10jw]

And Princeton loses by 10, 39-29, to San Diego. So much for that undefeated season, Surace!:pxlolx

Princeton losing doesn't break my heart, either. Too many people worry about how their league does against other leagues. Who cares? I care about Yale for 10 games and do like to see certain other Ivy teams win OOC games, but certainly not all the Ivy teams.

[Ivytalk]

Princeton losing doesn't break my heart, either. Too many people worry about how their league does against other leagues. Who cares? I care about Yale for 10 games and do like to see certain other Ivy teams win OOC games, but certainly not all the Ivy teams.

The older I get, the more I hate P'ton. Tea-sipping, front-running, eating-clubbing, pinky-lifting, elitist wusses!

[bulldog10jw]

The older I get, the more I hate P'ton. Tea-sipping, front-running, eating-clubbing, pinky-lifting, elitist wusses!

You left out obnoxious......then again, maybe that was a given. ;)

[bonarae]

All Final scores - one embarrassing and humiliating week for the Ivies:

Harvard 41, Holy Cross 18 - looks like the Crimson are the team to beat for this season...
Georgetown 17, Brown 3 - morale-saving win for the Hoyas?
Fordham 49, Columbia 7 - this goes to show that Fordham is head and shoulders above the rest of the PL, Ivy, NEC, etc.
Colgate 27, Cornell 12 - not sure what to call
Jacksonville 34, Penn 31 - call it this early that Jacksonville may get the PFL autobid.
Yale 54, Lehigh 43 - Yale may become a surprise contender. But don't count the Elis out yet.
San Diego 39, Princeton 29 - the Princeton captains were overconfident in an undefeated season. I think they'll finish 7-3 at this rate.
Dartmouth 35, CCSU 25 - OMG.

[Lehigh'98]

Princeton losing doesn't break my heart, either. Too many people worry about how their league does against other leagues. Who cares? I care about Yale for 10 games and do like to see certain other Ivy teams win OOC games, but certainly not all the Ivy teams.

Finally, some sense. Ultimately, you root for 1 team. Why get all heart broken when your conference rivals lose? Lately, the MVFC is the worst at this, but it comes and goes w all conferences.

[CHIP72]

League loyalty be damned. I am always glad when Penn loses.


Amen to that!

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Worse yet for Penn is they blew the game in the 4th quarter, including giving up a touchdown in the last minute.

[CHIP72]

Princeton losing doesn't break my heart, either. Too many people worry about how their league does against other leagues. Who cares? I care about Yale for 10 games and do like to see certain other Ivy teams win OOC games, but certainly not all the Ivy teams.

Yeah, it would be a different story if the Ivy League teams were actually permitted to participate in the Division I-AA/FCS playoffs. xsmhx

The Ivies are also at a real disadvantage starting 2-3 weeks after everyone else. That's what makes Yale's win on Saturday more impressive. (Of course, Lehigh's almost non-existent defense helped.)

[Pard4Life]

What makes P and P losses more delicious is that they could have scheduled traditional rivals, Laf and Lehigh, and picked up wins 40 miles from campus. Instead they seek out "equal footing opponents" in the Pioneer, fly 2000 miles, and suffer humiliating losses. Gotta love it!

[bonarae]

Yeah, it would be a different story if the Ivy League teams were actually permitted to participate in the Division I-AA/FCS playoffs. xsmhx

The Ivies are also at a real disadvantage starting 2-3 weeks after everyone else. That's what makes Yale's win on Saturday more impressive. (Of course, Lehigh's almost non-existent defense helped.)

I agree with your sentiments. The Ivies' lone FBS game (within the next few years) will also matter as well in the SOS.

[Go...gate]

What makes P and P losses more delicious is that they could have scheduled traditional rivals, Laf and Lehigh, and picked up wins 40 miles from campus. Instead they seek out "equal footing opponents" in the Pioneer, fly 2000 miles, and suffer humiliating losses. Gotta love it!

Not to mention that Princeton dropped Colgate from PU's football schedule after 2015, which made no sense at all.

[Go Green]

. The Ivies' lone FBS game (within the next few years) will also matter as well in the SOS.

Villanova and UNH each are rated stronger on Sagarin than Army.

[DFW HOYA]

What makes P and P losses more delicious is that they could have scheduled traditional rivals, Laf and Lehigh, and picked up wins 40 miles from campus. Instead they seek out "equal footing opponents" in the Pioneer, fly 2000 miles, and suffer humiliating losses. Gotta love it!

Distance isn't the issue. Competitiveness is.

[Model Citizen]

Distance isn't the issue. Competitiveness is.

Are you saying they didn't want to play the Patriot Leaguers because Princeton/Penn feared being non-competitive? Because of the scholarship issue?

I noticed that Princeton has a four game losing streak against Lehigh, so the Tigers were having some trouble before the Patriot's policy changed.

[Go Green]

Distance isn't the issue. Competitiveness is.

I'm guessing that playing in hot climates like DC (it was in the mid-80s last Saturday), Jacksonville, and San Diego really worked against the Ivy teams on Saturday. It wasn't an accident that the Ivy's three victories over the weekend came at Ivy venues.

I get that it was hot for the hosts as well, but they were more used to it.

[Model Citizen]

Sunny and 72 in San Diego. Go Green, I think you are trolling.

[crusader11]

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And this is why the Ivy League will never earn the respect they may deserve around the FCS.

In some years, Penn, Harvard, and Princeton are legitimate top 25 teams. But, when they almost exclusively play Patriot League teams in the OOC -- with a sprinkling of NEC / PFL -- it's impossible to judge how they match up with the top teams in the country.

[Model Citizen]

And this is why the Ivy League will never earn the respect they may deserve around the FCS.

In some years, Penn, Harvard, and Princeton are legitimate top 25 teams. But, when they almost exclusively play Patriot League teams in the OOC -- with a sprinkling of NEC / PFL -- it's impossible to judge how they match up with the top teams in the country.

How would HC match up on the same chart? You would have to go back to 03 to get a couple of games v. the PFL.

[crusader11]

How would HC match up on the same chart? You would have to go back to 03 to get a couple of games v. the PFL.

And that's a good thing, in my mind -- HC has played Marist more recently than that. I don't want Patriot League teams to play against Pioneer teams; hard to gain respect when playing against Davidson, Valpo, Drake, Marist, et al.

With scholarships, I think HC will ultimately end up playing CAA teams more regularly, along with an FBS opponent most years.

Here's the breakdown for HC (2005-present):

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[Model Citizen]

Here's the breakdown for HC (2005-present):

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The 04-05 games you split against Marist were when Marist was in the MAAC.


The last two you played against the PFL were losses v. San Diego.

[bulldog10jw]

Sunny and 72 in San Diego. Go Green, I think you are trolling.

Not that I think the heat had anything to do with it, BUT, I was at both Yale games against USD in San Diego. It was MUCH warmer at USD inside the stadium away from the ocean than it was in downtown San Diego. So it may depend on where that 72 deg temp was taken.

[Model Citizen]

How did Yale get into this? The temp was taken in the stadium, Saturday. For the Princeton game.

[Sader87]

Quibbling but HC beat CAA Northeastern in the late 00s sometime....should be 1-5 against CAA 2005-2014

[crusader11]

Quibbling but HC beat CAA Northeastern in the late 00s sometime....should be 1-5 against CAA 2005-2014

Good call.

For some reason, cfbdatawarehouse.com no longer lists the Northeastern and UMass games in that breakdown. It's because they're both no longer members of the CAA, but still surprised they're not included.

[World]

And Princeton loses by 10, 39-29, to San Diego. So much for that undefeated season, Surace!:pxlolx

The game was at Univ. of San Diego. About 4,000 attended the game, with about 2/3'rds wearing the Orange and Black. Princeton used the two QB's in the backfield about 1/3 of game.

[bulldog10jw]

How did Yale get into this? The temp was taken in the stadium, Saturday. For the Princeton game.

I just mentioned that it was hotter at the stadium than it was downtown.

Did I hurt your feelings?

[World]

I just mentioned that it was hotter at the stadium than it was downtown.

Did I hurt your feelings?


The temperature was over 80 degrees at the stadium