Current and Ex-NFL Players Want Ray Rice Banned From NFL

[superman7515]

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/09/nfl-player-reaction-ray-rice


Hours after a new video showing Ray Rice hitting his now-wife Janay Palmer surfaced (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/ravens/2014/09/08/ray-rice-tmz-video-roger-goodell/15272689/)on TMZ.com, current and former NFL players spoke out on Twitter demanding action from NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, the NFLPA and the Ravens...

[citdog]

Banned for a entire season for smoking a joint but only two games for beating a woman and dragging her unconscious body.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Bentley was right. He looked like he couldn't wait to get on the elevator to hit her. The NFL claims they didn't see this video. They are lying.

[superman7515]

Banned for a entire season for smoking a joint but only two games for beating a woman and dragging her unconscious body.

Spitting on her when she was out cold and then trying to play it off like he was trying to wake her up and she was just drunk when people approached the elevator. No words.

[clenz]

Why do they speak out now?

Why not when this **** first came out?

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Why do they speak out now?

Why not when this **** first came out?

I honestly think the powers that be thought they could keep that video buried. Gotta love TMZ

[Professor Chaos]

Two thoughts about this:

1) I'm not sure why there's such fresh outrage at the NFL with the release of the new video. Anyone who didn't know what happened in that elevator based on the information already out there is incredibly naïve. The new video doesn't make the punishment from the NFL any more unacceptably horrid than it already was.
2) Having said that, whoever the dirtbag is that withheld this video should be punished as well. Regardless of the fact that reasonable people should've been able to figure out what happened this would've certainly taken the legs out from the apologists and given the NFL no choice but to levy a stiffer punishment. I'd have to think it would've also allowed law enforcement to be much more aggressive.

In the end, I highly doubt Ray Rice ever suits up for the Ravens again. The NFL's horrible handling of this has basically forced the Raven's hand into doing what the NFL should've done and that's take away his right to play football for at least a year if not forever. Hopefully, if they do release him there's no other team willing to take the massive PR hit that claiming him or signing him would bring.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I think not seeing the video gave people an out. Not releasing the video gave the NFL a big out. Now nobody in the world can defend this without looking pretty evil.

[Professor Chaos]

I think not seeing the video gave people an out. Not releasing the video gave the NFL a big out. Now nobody in the world can defend this without looking pretty evil.
Agreed. The advantage the NFL has over law enforcement is if (and that's a big if) they really didn't see this video they still had the benefit of not having to prove anything in a court of law when they levied their punishment. They've done it before (thinking of the Roethlisberger night club incident a few years back) where it's pretty easy to figure out what happened even though guilt couldn't be proven in a court of law and they acted accordingly.

[superman7515]

2) Having said that, whoever the dirtbag is that withheld this video should be punished as well. Regardless of the fact that reasonable people should've been able to figure out what happened this would've certainly taken the legs out from the apologists and given the NFL no choice but to levy a stiffer punishment. I'd have to think it would've also allowed law enforcement to be much more aggressive.

Law enforcement had access to the video, they are the ones that refused to release it to the NFL & Ravens according to the NFL.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Law enforcement had access to the video, they are the ones that refused to release it to the NFL & Ravens according to the NFL.

Then seeing someone on video knock someone else out cold and not charging them should get someone in pretty deep ****.

[clenz]

Then seeing someone on video knock someone else out cold and not charging them should get someone in pretty deep ****.
I think they did but agreed to drop the charge if he entered "rehab"

[superman7515]

That was on the prosecutors, they gave him a plea deal that allowed him to go to counseling instead of facing jail time. Once he completes counseling, the incident will be removed from his record.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Ravens just announced the termination of his contract. Finally someone does the right thing.

[superman7515]

I just heard that the Ravens have cut Rice.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I sincerely doubt this was because of the video and not the reaction to the video.

[clenz]

I sincerely doubt this was because of the video and not the reaction to the video.
This.


I put this under the "cover up" category.

The cover up, or lack of proper action up front, always draws a bigger reaction than the crime it self.

[Professor Chaos]

Law enforcement had access to the video, they are the ones that refused to release it to the NFL & Ravens according to the NFL.
Wow, really??? If they refused to even tell the NFL they had this video (which I assume they did since the NFL kept saying they "had access to everything that law enforcement has access to") the NFL would be right to be upset. What a bungled situation... all around.


I sincerely doubt this was because of the video and not the reaction to the video.
Yup, because both the NFL and the Ravens knew damn well what happened in that elevator without having to see the "new video evidence". I give them credit for admitting they were wrong and finally doing the right thing but they certainly don't come out of this thing smelling very good.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

there's a lot to this I don't understand...

What is suspending/cutting him accomplishing? She still married him and they're living together. What is the NFL trying to prove in this situation? What type of justice is society looking for? I don't understand how others can be the moral police. If people/society wanted to make a difference a marriage certificate would not have been issued due to the fact of a "volatile" situation. That would seem to have a larger impact if we're truly trying to protect this women or send a strong message to Mr. Rice. Allowing the two to get married and then depriving a man to work is something I don't get....

What happens if an issue of "kinky sex" gone awry happens?

[citdog]

What happens if an issue of "kinky sex" gone awry happens?


http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2009/06/10/1225732/441962-carradine-039-s-secret-sex-shopping-list.jpg

[Cleets]

there's a lot to this I don't understand...

What is suspending/cutting him accomplishing? She still married him and they're living together. What is the NFL trying to prove in this situation? What type of justice is society looking for? I don't understand how others can be the moral police. If people/society wanted to make a difference a marriage certificate would not have been issued due to the fact of a "volatile" situation. That would seem to have a larger impact if we're truly trying to protect this women or send a strong message to Mr. Rice. Allowing the two to get married and then depriving a man to work is something I don't get....

What happens if an issue of "kinky sex" gone awry happens?


That's is a pretty stupid post ^ and I like it...
I'll answer your stupid questions
1) Cutting him disassociates the Franchise from the player (He's no longer on our team)
2) Banning him from the NFL disassociates the NFL from him (We're done with this guy)
3) Why the state issued a Marriage License is not the NFL's issue
4) The NFL is in no way depriving Ray Rice from working - he is free to work - but they do have the RIGHT to fire him and they did

There, hows that..?
Any other stupid questions please feel free to ask

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

That's is a pretty stupid post ^ and I like it...
I'll answer your stupid questions
1) Cutting him disassociates the Franchise from the player (He's no longer on our team)
2) Banning him from the NFL disassociates the NFL from him (We're done with this guy)
3) Why the state issued a Marriage License is not the NFL's issue
4) The NFL is in no way depriving Ray Rice from working - he is free to work - but they do have the RIGHT to fire him and they did

There, hows that..?
Any other stupid questions please feel free to ask

That's fine. At least you acknowledge it's more about business and "looking" good then it is about domestic violence and trying to "protect" this woman....

[Cleets]

That's fine. At least you acknowledge it's more about business and "looking" good then it is about domestic violence and trying to "protect" this woman....

Bingo...
The NFL's job is not to protect women from their husbands
The NFL is a brand
and a product

[Professor Chaos]

there's a lot to this I don't understand...

What is suspending/cutting him accomplishing? She still married him and they're living together. What is the NFL trying to prove in this situation? What type of justice is society looking for? I don't understand how others can be the moral police. If people/society wanted to make a difference a marriage certificate would not have been issued due to the fact of a "volatile" situation. That would seem to have a larger impact if we're truly trying to protect this women or send a strong message to Mr. Rice. Allowing the two to get married and then depriving a man to work is something I don't get....

What happens if an issue of "kinky sex" gone awry happens?
The main reason is that the moral police are who buys tickets and merchandise from NFL teams and who watches the games that allows the NFL to sign billion dollar TV contracts. That is the reason the NFL bows to public pressure and rightly so. They have a brand to protect and that's worth big time $$$$. If you'll permit a cliché, Ray Rice needs the NFL a lot more than the NFL needs Ray Rice.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Bingo...
The NFL's job is not to protect women from their husbands
The NFL is a brand
and a product

My question wasn't "stupid" imo. I worded it to prove a point that you basically made for me. Applauding the NFL or the Ravens for taking a "stance" is idiotic. They could "careless" imo that he punched her. They're more upset he got caught on video tape doing so. If it was simply a case of he said she said they'd just wait for it go away....

[Cleets]

The main reason is that the moral police are who buys tickets and merchandise from NFL teams and who watches the games that allows the NFL to sign billion dollar TV contracts. That is the reason the NFL bows to public pressure and rightly so. They have a brand to protect and that's worth big time $$$$. If you'll permit a cliché, Ray Rice needs the NFL a lot more than the NFL needs Ray Rice.


It is actually fairly simple...
The NFL could market itself to appeal to Duck Dynasty and Ted Nugent or whoever - but why..?
There's NO MONEY THERE

Like Coca-Cola and McDonald's your best bet is MASS APPEAL
And generally speaking the vast majority of Americans aren't big fans of Wife Beaters and physical violence against the weaker sex is mostly frowned on by a HUGE majority (like 25 to 1)

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to add that one up...
A) Distance yourself from Ray Rice
B) See A

[JayJ79]

there's a lot to this I don't understand...

What is suspending/cutting him accomplishing? She still married him and they're living together. What is the NFL trying to prove in this situation? What type of justice is society looking for? I don't understand how others can be the moral police. If people/society wanted to make a difference a marriage certificate would not have been issued due to the fact of a "volatile" situation. That would seem to have a larger impact if we're truly trying to protect this women or send a strong message to Mr. Rice. Allowing the two to get married and then depriving a man to work is something I don't get....

What happens if an issue of "kinky sex" gone awry happens?

I don't think the government should be in the position to decide who can get married and who can't.
Besides, if they denied the marriage license, then they would deny her the ability to divorce his ass and get a big alimony settlement.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I don't think the government should be in the position to decide who can get married and who can't.
Besides, if they denied the marriage license, then they would deny her the ability to divorce his ass and get a big alimony settlement.

But now he's, errr THEY, lost income....

This whole thing is a dumpster fire on many, many levels....

[superman7515]

Wow, really??? If they refused to even tell the NFL they had this video (which I assume they did since the NFL kept saying they "had access to everything that law enforcement has access to") the NFL would be right to be upset. What a bungled situation... all around.

The NFL knew that law enforcement had the video, and this is where there is potential for something more as ESPN's Chris Mortenson reported in July (listen to the podcast here http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=11267734 and fast forward to the 18 minute mark) that NFL officials had seen the full video, and he described in detail what happened in the video, including that she had hit her head on the railing inside the elevator after being punched Rice. With today's release, those details are confirmed, and to think the NFL sources would just guess that she hit her head on the railing in the elevator and it was purely coincidence is a stretch in my opinion. If Chris Mortensen's sources in the NFL front office had seen and were able to describe the video, clearly someone in the NFL offices had access to the security tapes. Peter King also wrote about the NFL and Ravens having access to the tapes....

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/07/29/jordan-gross-weight-retirement-panthers/2/

There is one other thing I did not write or refer to, and that is the other videotape the NFL and some Ravens officials have seen, from the security camera inside the elevator at the time of the physical altercation between Rice and his fiancée. I have heard reports of what is on the video, but because I could not confirm them and because of the sensitivity of the case, I never speculated on the video in my writing, because I don’t think it is fair in an incendiary case like this one to use something I cannot confirm with more than one person.

The disassociation of Ray Rice might not be the end of it as there is quite a bit of smoke that the league & Ravens had access to the tapes and chose not to do more until they became public and the public outcry forced their hand.

[Cleets]

Peter King isn't exactly reliable... I'm not saying anything you ^ posted up there is wrong
But last week Peter King reported something that was later deemed "completely False"

[bonarae]

Why not lifetime ban like baseball has had on several players?

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Why not lifetime ban like baseball has had on several players?

If he doesn't play again, he will be forgotten. He is now losing his prime years.

[Franks Tanks]

Bingo...
The NFL's job is not to protect women from their husbands
The NFL is a brand
and a product

Very nice. It baffles me that so many feminist types feel the NFL needs to carry the flag to speak out against domestic violence. The NFL can and should discipline their employee. Beyond that why should a business that provides entertainment be counted on to impact social change? Do we ask Universal Studios to crusade again drug abuse when some actor gets busted? Roger's asnine decision making process, and potential desire to minimize or "cover-up" the incident notwithstanding.

[woffordgrad94]

One thing I love in this world is WOMEN! And I CAN'T STAND guys that hit them and mistreat them like Ray Rice did. Rice finally got what was coming to him. I'm glad the Ravens stepped up and released him. I wouldn't shed a tear if he never played another down in the NFL. I saw the elevator video and it made me sick! What a pathetic jerk. I know that if I ran an NFL team that I couldn't have players like Rice playing for me.

[superman7515]

Video at the link...

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/09/keith-olbermann-ray-rice-nfl-cover-up


Keith Olbermann has been one of the loudest critics of NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, calling for his resignation (http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/08/keith-olbermann-roger-goodell-resign) after giving Ray Rice a two-game suspension in August. The Ravens released Rice Monday (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/ravens/2014/09/08/baltimore-ravens-cut-ray-rice/15291729/) and the NFL later suspended Rice indefinitely after video of his physical altercation with then-then-fiancée Janay Rice surfaced, and Olbermann blasted Goodell, the Ravens and the court system for how the incident was handled.

“We begin tonight with the unavoidable and simple truth that intentionally, or by neglect, the Atlantic County, New Jersey district attorney’s office, the Baltimore Ravens, the National Football League, and commissioner Roger Goodell have conducted a cover-up of Ray Rice’s assault on his then fiancée on February 15th.

There is no other conclusion possible. Each body, each leading individual involved came to a judicial conclusion about what had happened to Janay Palmer and What should happen to Ray Rice. And each, through deception or incompetence, misled the public, damaged the efforts of every man and every woman in this country seeking to merely slow down the murderous epidemic of domestic violence, and made a mockery of the process by which those who batter those they claim to love are to be brought to justice.”...

[MR. CHICKEN]

19648.......LITTLE SOMETHIN'....FROM JANAY........BRAWK!


http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/janay-rice-on-instagram--husband-s-suspension--release-a--horrible-nightmare-125557783.html

[Reign of Terrier]

The NFL, as already mentioned by cleets, is a brand.

Are they doing all of this stuff because they, as a business, necessarily care about domestic violence? No.

Does the NFL, and perhaps professional sports in general or just society in general, have a problem with domestic violence? Yes (I could go into more details about the specifics of this but I'd rather not open the can of worms here because I know a lot of people have dumb opinions on this site and I gave up a long time ago)

The NFL is clearly trying to at least somewhat address this problem and demonstrate that they're taking this seriously. The feminist types have probably been very vocal the whole time, but sports media doesn't cover or care about it. Credit to Olbermann though, say what you want about his politics and that he can be kind of preachy, but with his new show on ESPN he's certainly brought attention to issues that aren't normally talked about in as high of frequency as they are now. For instance, this incident, the Washington mascot controversy, etc.

How many times has domestic violence incidents and player's behavior such as this been reported as if it were on the periphery, even with suspensions, etc? I would probably say frequently until recent months. I don't think you have to agree with his politics to see the correlation Olbermann being on the air has with this recent event. I mean, I could be wrong, this could be something that was a long time coming, but it's an interesting correlation to say the least.

[pvdogteam]

I honestly think the powers that be thought they could keep that video buried. Gotta love TMZ

That's what I think too, didn't count on the WHOLE video coming out, ole TMZ on the job

[pvdogteam]

But now he's, errr THEY, lost income....

This whole thing is a dumpster fire on many, many levels....

To be honest the NFL could have said something sooner but they didn't. However they are a private company and if they decide not to keep him that's on them and also on HIM. He had the choice to not spit on his wife or bang her against that railing. He could have acted just a little more concerned after she was knocked out, he didn't know if she died or not at that point. I'm not perfect either but he went pretty far doing her like that, hopefully this is a wake up call for him to get counseling and she should get osme too since she so determined to stay

[walliver]

Watching the video, I suspect she was knocked out by the punch, not hitting the rail. Without the video, it would be possible to argue that he punched her, she was knocked back and hit her head. Although that was never acceptable, the new video demonstrates a level of viscousness which can not be rationalized away.

The real hypocrisy in this case is that Ray Rice is not the only abusive husband/BF in the NFL, he was just stupid enough or unlucky enough to have it on video.

Michael Vick the dog-abuser who spent time in jail made it back to the NFL.
Ray Lewis, accused but acquited of murder charges, finshed out his career.
Ray Rice will complete "counselling", promise to be a good boy, possibly make a PSA against spousal abuse, and return to the NFL next year.
I doubt Aaron Hernandez will, though.

[Bisonoline]

One thing I love in this world is WOMEN! And I CAN'T STAND guys that hit them and mistreat them like Ray Rice did. Rice finally got what was coming to him. I'm glad the Ravens stepped up and released him. I wouldn't shed a tear if he never played another down in the NFL. I saw the elevator video and it made me sick! What a pathetic jerk. I know that if I ran an NFL team that I couldn't have players like Rice playing for me.

So because of this incident you would deny him the opportunity to work and make a living?

[NoDak 4 Ever]

So because of this incident you would deny him the opportunity to work and make a living?

Nobody is denying him work, they're just saying he can't work for their company.

[Bisonoline]

Nobody is denying him work, they're just saying he can't work for their company.

oh please.

[Cocky]

Will AP get any punishment for child abuse? If you follow the NCAA it won't be much.

[caribbeanhen]

Now nobody in the world can defend this without looking pretty evil.

You just called the victim evil....

[NoDak 4 Ever]

You just called the victim evil....

I know, right? Didn't see that coming.