The MVFC...

[FargoBison]

USD is a very tough job, major local FCS recruiting competition and then you have Nebraska's walk on program not far away to contend with. It seems to me they have decided to stick all of their money into elevating basketball, probably not a bad idea.

That said USD wasn't really added to the MVFC for their football program, they were added because NDSU, SDSU and WIU told the MVFC that we need to find a home for their football so they can stay in the Summit League otherwise that conference would have been in a very tough spot.

[AmsterBison]

Perfectly explains the dynamics in the upper midwest in terms of football recruiting. It has been fun being an SDSU fan. Some general commentary I've heard from USD fans over the D-I:


1. 2006 "UND is going D-I, so we will too. Also since we were always the best in South Dakota and SDSU is doing good. We'll be that much better. I mean, we have the DakotaDome"
2. 2007 "McNeese is a good FCS team and we were only down 21-7 at halftime! Good things to come."
3. 2008 "We almost beat UNI & SELA! We would have been 8-3 had we done that! (played 5 D-II teams)
4. 2009 "Would have been 7-3 had we beat Montana State and UC Davis in OT!"
5. 2010 "It doesn't matter that we ended the season 4-7, we still beat Minnesota. SDSU didn't do that!"
6. 2011 "We beat #1 EWU!!! Ended 6-5!! Only down 10 in the first quarter to Wisconsin! Look out SDSU, the MVFC is not that much better than the Great West!"
7. 2012 "****. New coach though."
8. 2013 "4-7. Progress! We took everyone down to the wire and beat UNI, ISU (b), and MSU! Next year baby!!"
9. 2014 "****. The DakotaDome does suck."

So the third best transition to DI in the Dakotas? They've got a BCS win without anything like a 45-point loss to Idaho or an NAIA-delivered whooping. :)

[Jackal]

It's about time for Yote58 to show back up and start talking about USD being a top 3 team again isn't it?


The reality for USD is they are going to get the left overs form UNI, SDSU, NDSU (who are already fighting with Iowa State, Kansas, Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois, Minnesota, Wyoming, plus other FCS programs for recruits) and really struggle to steal guys away from D2/NAIA powers like USF, Augustana, NWMOST, MSU-Mankato, etc... It's just really, really, tough to draw anyone to Vermilion that's been there. I read a while back that USD was having more luck signing kids from outside the area that had never stepped foot on campus than guys that were from the area and had been on campus visits. Is that true? I don't know but I would believe it. Doing a breakdown of their roster that's pretty clear as well

91 players currently listed and of them come from outside of SD, MN, ND, IA and NE (which is what I could consider the "heart" of recruiting territory for USD and SDSU). They have more players from California, Florida, Kansas, Illinois, Oklahoma and Wyoming than they do Minnesota. I looked at most of the 17 kids they have from Iowa - none of them appear to have had a standing offer from UNI on signing day.

The reality is "if you can't win your state in recruiting you aren't going to win" Well, in this part of the the US and in FCS football it's "If you can't win your region you aren't going to win". USD is being forced out of the upper-Midwest recruiting. They are now getting left overs of left overs in the upper midwest and are fighting for leftovers or leftovers of leftovers in kids who have never been to Vermillion from halfway across the country.

USD has a very low ceiling, IMO. It's part of the reason I didn't like that add from the start

Not Yote 58 but this was one of my favs......

h Dakota @ #1 NDSU

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/images/SeamusLight/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Bison Fan in NW MN http://www.anygivensaturday.com/images/SeamusLight/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?p=2165743#post2165743)
Was it you that said the Coyotes were going to sweep the Valley this year?

It was one of you guys.



http://www.anygivensaturday.com/images/SeamusLight/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Yotes http://www.anygivensaturday.com/images/SeamusLight/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?p=2153132#post2153132)
Again, we brought zero running backs to Fargo for the season finale, we lost several heartbreakers in a row, and I'm pretty sure the team had checked out. Your games against us in 2012 and 2013 won't resemble this year's game. If you really think the Yotes are more of the same (looking at you bisoninnwmn) you're in for an unpleasant surprise.

Wasn't saying the transitive property between our Montana scores is why we would win, just a common opponent to measure our offenses. You can say you had a bad game, but we didn't play a very good game and it was with out backup QB.

You all will be sorry when we sweep the MVFC this year.

[clenz]

Not Yote 58 but this was one of my favs......

h Dakota @ #1 NDSU



http://www.anygivensaturday.com/images/SeamusLight/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Bison Fan in NW MN http://www.anygivensaturday.com/images/SeamusLight/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?p=2165743#post2165743)
Was it you that said the Coyotes were going to sweep the Valley this year?

It was one of you guys.



http://www.anygivensaturday.com/images/SeamusLight/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Yotes http://www.anygivensaturday.com/images/SeamusLight/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?p=2153132#post2153132)
Again, we brought zero running backs to Fargo for the season finale, we lost several heartbreakers in a row, and I'm pretty sure the team had checked out. Your games against us in 2012 and 2013 won't resemble this year's game. If you really think the Yotes are more of the same (looking at you bisoninnwmn) you're in for an unpleasant surprise.

Wasn't saying the transitive property between our Montana scores is why we would win, just a common opponent to measure our offenses. You can say you had a bad game, but we didn't play a very good game and it was with out backup QB.

You all will be sorry when we sweep the MVFC this year.
Well...technically what they did in MVFC play did involve a sweep....for the second time in 3 years.


They're getting there though. Look at their records vs D1 teams since joining the MVFC



2012
W
L
TPF
TPA
PPGF
PPGA


OOC
1
2
63
96
21
32


Conference
0
8
125
252
15
32


Overall
1
10
187
348
17
32











2013
W
L
TPF
TPA
PPGF
PPGA


OOC
1
3
67
91
17
23


Conference
3
5
142
218
17
28


Overall
4
8
209
309
17
23











2014
W
L
TPF
TPA
PPGF
PPGA


OOC
1
2
61
111
20
37


Conference
0
8
131
300
16
38


Overall
1
10
192
411
17
38





Total
W
L
TPF
TPA
PPGF
PPGA


OOC
3
7
191
298
19
30


Conference
3
21
398
770
17
32


Overall
6
28
589
1068
17
62



They have just 1 win away from home...sadly against UNI in just a **** show of a season in Cedar Falls in triple OT....

Well...maybe they aren't.


If nothing else their offense is consistently slightly below average at putting points on the board and their defense is consistently bad at stopping teams from scoring.

[clenz]

It's about time for Yote58 to show back up and start talking about USD being a top 3 team again isn't it?


The reality for USD is they are going to get the left overs form UNI, SDSU, NDSU (who are already fighting with Iowa State, Kansas, Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois, Minnesota, Wyoming, plus other FCS programs for recruits) and really struggle to steal guys away from D2/NAIA powers like USF, Augustana, NWMOST, MSU-Mankato, etc... It's just really, really, tough to draw anyone to Vermilion that's been there. I read a while back that USD was having more luck signing kids from outside the area that had never stepped foot on campus than guys that were from the area and had been on campus visits. Is that true? I don't know but I would believe it. Doing a breakdown of their roster that's pretty clear as well

91 players currently listed and of them come from outside of SD, MN, ND, IA and NE (which is what I could consider the "heart" of recruiting territory for USD and SDSU). They have more players from California, Florida, Kansas, Illinois, Oklahoma and Wyoming than they do Minnesota. I looked at most of the 17 kids they have from Iowa - none of them appear to have had a standing offer from UNI on signing day.

The reality is "if you can't win your state in recruiting you aren't going to win" Well, in this part of the the US and in FCS football it's "If you can't win your region you aren't going to win". USD is being forced out of the upper-Midwest recruiting. They are now getting left overs of left overs in the upper midwest and are fighting for leftovers or leftovers of leftovers in kids who have never been to Vermillion from halfway across the country.

USD has a very low ceiling, IMO. It's part of the reason I didn't like that add from the start
I'll see if I can find it back but the Argus Leader had a GREAT article about USD and SDSU funding and recruiting models and challenges since moving D1

[centennial]

I feel bad for USD fans. They *aren't* a terrible team, and they would be fine in the Big Sky. Unfortunately, the MVFC has become more competitive since they have landed in the conference. Maybe they can hire a DII coach that wins a lot. Anything would be better than the seasons they've been having.

[clenz]

I feel bad for USD fans. They *aren't* a terrible team, and they would be fine in the Big Sky. Unfortunately, the MVFC has become more competitive since they have landed in the conference. Maybe they can hire a DII coach that wins a lot. Anything would be better than the seasons they've been having.
I wouldn't say "fine" per say. They would probably be equal to Sacramento State/Southern Utah. Between 3-5 and 5-3 in conference most years. They would probably finish between 6th and 9th in the Big Sky more years.


Most of their starters they have aren't *that far* behind where the 5th-7th place most years. The issue is they are going to struggle to get any sort of meaningful depth for the reasons already outlined earlier. The time they beat UNI in 3OT in 2013 they were facing a UNI team that was essentially starting 4 or 5 second/third stringers on offense and same number defense with some positions down to rotating only third stringers or lower. That was a pretty even game. That showed me where they were at as a program. They have enough horses to put up a challenge occasionally but the depth of the top 6-7 in the conference much, much, deeper than USD.

I really think the ceiling for USD is averaging a 7th place finish with occasional top 5 finishes.

[Jacks02]

I'll see if I can find it back but the Argus Leader had a GREAT article about USD and SDSU funding and recruiting models and challenges since moving D1

Here is today's article discussing recruiting at SDSU. There have been several articles the last few days from the Argus talking about recruiting in the region.

Football recruiting: SDSU finding success at a low cost (http://www.argusleader.com/story/news/2015/05/04/sdsu-finding-right-recruiting-costs-benefits-balance/26864421/)

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I feel bad for USD fans. They *aren't* a terrible team, and they would be fine in the Big Sky. Unfortunately, the MVFC has become more competitive since they have landed in the conference. Maybe they can hire a DII coach that wins a lot. Anything would be better than the seasons they've been having.


I don't feel "bad" one bit for USD. They need to roll up their sleeves and get to work.

[FargoBison]

I feel bad for USD fans. They *aren't* a terrible team, and they would be fine in the Big Sky. Unfortunately, the MVFC has become more competitive since they have landed in the conference. Maybe they can hire a DII coach that wins a lot. Anything would be better than the seasons they've been having.

I don't know about that, UND isn't exactly doing much better in the Big Sky.

[centennial]

I don't know about that, UND isn't exactly doing much better in the Big Sky.
They are similar teams with the edge going to SD recently. I do agree with clenz that in the big sky they would be between 3-5 and 5-3 most years. In the MVFC they are struggling to win any games.
Sagarin Ratings-
2014 SD- 175 Rating- 46.46
ND- 211 Rating- 37.78

2013-
SD- 160 Rating- 49.90
ND- 225 Rating- 35.19

2012-
SD- 175 Rating- 47.12
ND- 149 Rating- 53.17

[clenz]

Before a Big Sky team hops down my throat about thinking the MVFC is that much better...

I'm saying the teams USD would beat are the bottom 3-4 each year. Maybe pull of an upset of a top half team every now and then..

The bottom 3 of the Big Sky, any given year, are just awful. With a conference that big it's bound to happen

[Mattymc727]

What was the MVFC OOC record last year? I know it was pretty impeccable. Any other good OOC matchups besides UNI-EWU and NDSU-Montana?

[clenz]

What was the MVFC OOC record last year? I know it was pretty impeccable. Any other good OOC matchups besides UNI-EWU and NDSU-Montana?
I think it was 30-2

[Mattymc727]

I think it was 30-2

Is that against all D1 or just FCS?

[clenz]

Is that against all D1 or just FCS?
FCS...

I can track down the total vs all opponents though. Give me a bit if someone doesn't have it already handy.

[clenz]

I've got 36-11 including FBS and sub D1

[centennial]

What was the MVFC OOC record last year? I know it was pretty impeccable. Any other good OOC matchups besides UNI-EWU and NDSU-Montana?
South Dakota lost to Montana 28-20
Indiana State lost to Chattanooga 35-14
FBS Record-



2014-08-30 @Indiana 28 Indiana St 10
2014-08-30 @Illinois 28 Youngstown St 17
2014-08-30 @Iowa 31 Northern Iowa 23
2014-08-30 N Dakota St 34 @Iowa St 14
2014-08-30 @Missouri 38 S Dakota St 18
2014-08-30 @Oregon 62 South Dakota 13
2014-09-06 @Oklahoma St 40 Missouri St 23
2014-09-06 @Wisconsin 37 W Illinois 3
2014-09-13 Indiana St 27 @Ball St 20
2014-09-13 @Hawaii 27 Northern Iowa 24
2014-09-20 @Purdue 35 S Illinois 13
2014-09-20 @Northwestern 24 W Illinois 7
Games: 12
Total OOC 35-12

2014-08-28 Missouri St 34 @Northwestern LA 27
2014-08-28 @W Illinois 45 Valparaiso 6
2014-08-28 @S Illinois 45 Taylor IN 0
2014-08-30 @Indiana 28 Indiana St 10
2014-08-30 @Illinois 28 Youngstown St 17
2014-08-30 @Iowa 31 Northern Iowa 23
2014-08-30 N Dakota St 34 @Iowa St 14
2014-08-30 @Missouri 38 S Dakota St 18
2014-08-30 @Oregon 62 South Dakota 13
2014-09-06 @Indiana St 49 Tennessee Tech 14
2014-09-06 @Oklahoma St 40 Missouri St 23
2014-09-06 @South Dakota 41 William Penn 16
2014-09-06 @S Dakota St 44 Cal Poly SLO 18
2014-09-06 @Wisconsin 37 W Illinois 3
2014-09-06 @Youngstown St 34 Duquesne 23
2014-09-06 S Illinois 38 @E Illinois 21
2014-09-06 @Illinois St 62 MS Valley St 0
2014-09-06 N Dakota St 24 @Weber St 7
2014-09-13 Indiana St 27 @Ball St 20
2014-09-13 @Illinois St 34 E Illinois 15
2014-09-13 @S Illinois 50 SE Missouri St 23
2014-09-13 @Montana 28 South Dakota 20
2014-09-13 @N Dakota St 58 Incarnate Word 0
2014-09-13 @W Illinois 38 Drake 13
2014-09-13 @Youngstown St 44 Butler 13
2014-09-13 @Hawaii 27 Northern Iowa 24
2014-09-13 S Dakota St 26 @Southern Utah 6
2014-09-13 @Missouri St 38 North Dakota 0
2014-09-20 @Purdue 35 S Illinois 13
2014-09-20 Missouri St 33 @Cent Arkansas 31
2014-09-20 @N Dakota St 22 Montana 10
2014-09-20 @Northwestern 24 W Illinois 7
2014-09-20 @South Dakota 28 Northern Arizona 21
2014-09-20 @Northern Iowa 46 N Colorado 7
2014-09-20 @S Dakota St 41 WI Oshkosh 3
2014-09-20 @Youngstown St 52 St Francis PA 23
2014-09-27 @Indiana St 38 Liberty 19
2014-09-27 @Illinois St 55 Austin Peay 6
2014-09-27 @Northern Iowa 50 Tennessee Tech 7
2014-11-29 Indiana St 36 @E Kentucky 16 P
2014-11-29 @Northern Iowa 44 SF Austin 10 P
2014-11-29 S Dakota St 47 @Montana St 40 P
2014-12-06 @Chattanooga 35 Indiana St 14 P
2014-12-13 @N Dakota St 39 Coastal Car 32 P
2014-12-13 Illinois St 59 @E Washington 46 P
2014-12-19 @N Dakota St 35 Sam Houston St 3 P
2014-12-20 Illinois St 21 @New Hampshire 18 P

Games: 47

[clenz]

9-1 vs Big Sky (2-0 in playoffs)


09-06-14
Brookings, S.D.
South Dakota St. 44, Cal Poly 18
W
Big Sky



09-06-14
Ogden, UT
North Dakota St. 24, Weber State 7
W
Big SKy



09-13-14
Missoula, MT
Montana 28, South Dakota 20
L
Big Sky



09-13-14
Cedar City, Utah
South Dakota St. 26, Southern Utah 6
W
Big SKy



09-13-14
Springfield, Mo.
Missouri State 38, North Dakota 0
W
Big Sky



09-20-14
Cedar Falls, Iowa
Northern Iowa 46, Northern Colorado 7
W
Big Sky



09-20-14
Fargo, ND
North Dakota St. 22, Montana 10
W
Big Sky



09-20-14
Vermillion, S.D.
South Dakota 28, Northern Arizona 21
W
Big Sky



11-29-14
Bozeman, Montana
South Dakota St. 47, Montana State 40
W
Big Sky
Playoff


12-13-14
Cheney, Wash.
Illinois State 59, Eastern Washington 46
W
Big Sky
Playoff




2-0 vs Big South (1-0 in playoffs)


09-27-14
Terre Haute, Ind.
Indiana State 38, Liberty 19
W
Big South



12-13-14
Fargo, ND
North Dakota St. 39, Coastal Carolina 32
W
Big South
Playoff




1-0 vs CAA (1-0 playoff)


12-20-14
Durham, N.H.
Illinois State 21, New Hampshire 18
W
CAA
Playoff





1-0 vs D3 (for shame SDSU)


09-20-14
Brookings, S.D.
South Dakota St. 41, UW-Oshkosh 3
W
D3



3-9 vs FBS


09-20-14
West Lafayette, Ind.
Purdue 35, Southern Illinois 13
L
FBS


09-20-14
Evanston, Ill.
Northwestern 24, Western Illinois 7
W
FBS


09-13-14
Muncie, Ind.
Indiana State 27, Ball State 20
W
FBS


09-13-14
Honolulu, HI
Hawai`i 27, Northern Iowa 24
L
FBS


09-06-14
Madison, Wisconsin
Wisconsin 37, Western Illinois 3
L
FBS


09-06-14
Stillwater, Okla.
Oklahoma State 40, Missouri State 23
L
FBS


08-30-14
Eugene, OR
Oregon Ducks 62, South Dakota 13
L
FBS


08-30-14
Bloomington, Ind.
Indiana 28, Indiana State 10
L
FBS


08-30-14
Ames, IA
North Dakota St. 34, Iowa State 14
W
FBS


08-30-14
Iowa City, Iowa
Iowa 31, Northern Iowa 23
L
FBS


08-30-14
Columbia, Mo.
Mizzou 38, South Dakota St. 18
L
FBS


08-30-14
Champaign, Ill.
Illinois 28, Youngstown State 17
L
FBS




2-0 vs NAIA (for shame USD and SIU)


09-06-14
Vermillion, S.D.
South Dakota 41, William Penn 16
W
NAIA


08-28-14
Carbondale, Ill.
Southern Illinois 45, Taylor 0
W
NAIA




2-0 vs NEC


09-20-14
Youngstown, Ohio
Youngstown State 52, Saint Francis 23
W
NEC


09-06-14
Youngstown, Ohio
Youngstown State 34, Duquesne 23
W
NEC




7-0 (1-0 in playoffs) vs OVC


09-27-14
Cedar Falls, Iowa
Northern Iowa 50, Tennessee Tech 7
W
OVC



09-27-14
Normal, Ill.
Illinois State 55, Austin Peay 6
W
OVC



09-13-14
Carbondale, Ill.
Southern Illinois 50, Southeast Missouri 23
W
OVC



09-13-14
Normal,Ill.
Illinois State 34, Eastern Illinois 15
W
OVC



09-06-14
Terre Haute, Ind.
Indiana State 49, Tennessee Tech 14
W
OVC



09-06-14
Charleston, Ill.
Southern Illinois 38, Eastern Illinois 21
W
OVC



11-29-14
Richmond, Ky.
Indiana State 36, Eastern Kentucky 16
W
OVC
Playoff




3-0 vs PFL


09-13-14
Macomb, Ill.
Western Illinois 38, Drake 13
W
PFL


09-13-14
Youngstown, Ohio
Youngstown State 44, Butler 13
W
PFL


08-28-14
Macomb, Ill.
Western Illinois 45, Valparaiso 6
W
PFL




5-0 (2-0 in playoffs) vs SLC


12-19-14
Fargo, ND
North Dakota St. 35, Sam Houston State 3
W
SLC
Playoff


11-29-14
Cedar Falls, Iowa
Northern Iowa 44, Stephen F. Austin 10
W
SLC
Playoff


09-20-14
Conway Arkansas
Missouri State 33, Central Arkansas 31
W
SLC



09-13-14
Fargo, ND
North Dakota St. 58, Incarnate Word 0
W
SLC



08-28-14
Natchitoches, La.
Missouri State 34, Northwestern State 27
W
SLC





0-1 (0-1 in playoffs) vs SoCon


12-06-14
Chattanooga, Tenn.
Chattanooga 35, Indiana State 14
L
SoCon
Playoff




1-0 vs SWAC


09-06-14
Normal, Ill.
Illinois State 62, MVSU 0
W
SWAC







23 road games vs all opponents and went 12-11
11 road vs FCS and went 9-2

[No_Skill]

I only see 2 wins vs FBS.

[unigriff]

Looking at the schedules...hard to see what will happen in the Valley this year,

ISUr looks like they could potentially go undefeated again. Also helps they wouldn't have to play in a "cold" game until Nov at Brookings. No NDSU again.
I actually got them pegged to beat Iowa. 1. Iowa is down, big time, 2. ISUr returns a lot except OL, 3. I hate Iowa.

ISUr
@Iowa,
Morgan St.
@EIU
UNI
@YSU
@MSU
WIU
ISUb
@SDSU
@SIU
South Dakota

UNI has the gauntlet of hell based of what UNI loses from last year....will all depend on QBs picking up the new system and staying healthy. Only 5 home games...beat EWU..I could see UNI going undefeated at home at least. Easier second half schedule. Steal one against the Cyclones and got 6 wins...then just need to steal one road game and playoffs!

UNI
@Iowa State
Eastern Washington
@Cal Poly
@ISUr
@NDSU
WIU
@SDSU
South Dakota
ISUb
@MSU
SIU

NDSU has a big opener and avoids ISUr again...gets UNI for homecoming (ugh!) Get by the griz, could see co-champs potentially once again.

NDSU
@Montana
Webster St.
UND
@SDSU
UNI
South Dakota
@ISUb
@SIU
WIU
@YSU
MSU

South Dakota state has a new venue, needs help at RB, and QB. Don't know what to make of it! How they swung getting NDSU, UNI and ISUr all at home is impressive..damn scheduling!

SDSU
@Kansas
Southern Utah
Robert Morris (Pa)
NDSU
ISUb
@YSU
UNI
@MSU
ISUr
@South Dakota
@WIU

YSU
@Pitt
Robert Morris
St. Francis (Pa)
@South Dakota
ISUr
SDSU
@SIU
@WIU
MSU
NDSU
@ISUb

Mizzou State
@Memphis
Chadron State
@Ark State
ISUb
@SIU
ISUr
@South Dakota
SDSU
@YSU
UNI
@NDSU

ISUb
Butler
@Purdue
SEMO
@MSU
@SDSU
SIU
NDSU
@ISUr
@UNI
WIU
YSU

Southern Illinois
@Indiana
@SEMO
Liberty
@WIU
MSU
@ISUb
YSU
NDSU
@South Dakota
ISUr
@UNI

Western Illinois
EIU
@Illinois
@Coastal Carolina
SIU
South Dakota
@UNI
@ISUr
YSU
@NDSU
@ISUb
SDSU

South Dakota
@Kansas State
@UC Davis
Drake
YSU
@WIU
@NDSU
MSU
@UNI
SIU
SDSU
@ISUr

My projections:
ISUr 11-0, (8-0)
NDSU 10-1, (8-0)
UNI 8-3, (6-2)
YSU 7-4 (5-3)
SDSU 6-5 (4-4)
SIU 6-5 (4-4)
ISUb 6-5 (4-4)
MSU 4-7 (3-5)
Western Illinois 2-9 (1-7)
South Dakota 1-10 (0-8)

[NoDak 4 Ever]

NDSU has a better chance against Montana than ISUr has against Iowa.

[gotts]

..and ISUr chances have potentially decreased. Stay tuned for more.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

..and ISUr chances have potentially decreased. Stay tuned for more.

Holy ****. Stupid is....

[caribbeanhen]

how far back do I have to go too see you Boasting Bizun fans waving the diplomas around....

[centennial]

My projections:
ISUr 11-0, (8-0)
NDSU 10-1, (8-0)
UNI 8-3, (6-2)
YSU 7-4 (5-3)
SDSU 6-5 (4-4)
SIU 6-5 (4-4)
ISUb 6-5 (4-4)
MSU 4-7 (3-5)
Western Illinois 2-9 (1-7)
South Dakota 1-10 (0-8)
NDSU is much much more likely to lose one in the valley than vs OOC. I just don't see Montana beating us. Not saying it couldn't happen but NDSU should be the heavy favorites. UNI, YSU have a better chance of knocking us out.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

NDSU is much much more likely to lose one in the valley than vs OOC. I just don't see Montana beating us. Not saying it couldn't happen but NDSU should be the heavy favorites. UNI, YSU have a better chance of knocking us out.


History has proven that conference teams have given the Bison the biggest trouble over the years.

58-3 over the last four years with YSU, Ind State and UNI being the three losses in that span.

I agree with you on the OOC games this year. I don't see any of the 3 Big Sky teams ( Weber, Montana or UND ) beating the Bison this year. If they lose it will be in conference.

[mmiller_34]

I think SDSU beat ISU(R) in Brookings, in the bitter cold.


SDSU
@Kansas ---------------------- LOSS - Because we don't beat FBS teams.
Southern Utah ---------------- WIN - Similar score as last year.
Robert Morris (Pa) ----------- WIN - 45-10
NDSU -------------------------- LOSS - Because we don't beat the BIZoN.
ISUb --------------------------- WIN - I'm interested to see what the Sycs got next year.
@YSU -------------------------- WIN - Penguins spoiled Hobo Day last year. Revenge will be had.
UNI ---------------------------- LOSS - UNI won't let SDSU win 3 in a row against them will they?
@MSU ------------------------- WIN - Need to keep playoffs alive.
ISUr --------------------------- WIN - Redbirds don't fly well in the cold.
@South Dakota --------------- WIN - Yoties will be crying.
@WIU -------------------------- WIN - Jacks push for playoffs as recent history dictates.

[IBleedYellow]

I think SDSU beat ISU(R) in Brookings, in the bitter cold.


SDSU
@Kansas ---------------------- LOSS - Because we don't beat FBS teams.
Southern Utah ---------------- WIN - Similar score as last year.
Robert Morris (Pa) ----------- WIN - 45-10
NDSU -------------------------- LOSS - Because we don't beat the BIZoN.
ISUb --------------------------- WIN - I'm interested to see what the Sycs got next year.
@YSU -------------------------- WIN - Penguins spoiled Hobo Day last year. Revenge will be had.
UNI ---------------------------- LOSS - UNI won't let SDSU win 3 in a row against them will they?
@MSU ------------------------- WIN - Need to keep playoffs alive.
ISUr --------------------------- WIN - Redbirds don't fly well in the cold.
@South Dakota --------------- WIN - Yoties will be crying.
@WIU -------------------------- WIN - Jacks push for playoffs as recent history dictates.

Damnit.

The jacks have to come to Fargo again. :(

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I think SDSU beat ISU(R) in Brookings, in the bitter cold.


SDSU
@Kansas ---------------------- LOSS - Because we don't beat FBS teams.
Southern Utah ---------------- WIN - Similar score as last year.
Robert Morris (Pa) ----------- WIN - 45-10
NDSU -------------------------- LOSS - Because we don't beat the BIZoN.
ISUb --------------------------- WIN - I'm interested to see what the Sycs got next year.
@YSU -------------------------- WIN - Penguins spoiled Hobo Day last year. Revenge will be had.
UNI ---------------------------- LOSS - UNI won't let SDSU win 3 in a row against them will they?
@MSU ------------------------- WIN - Need to keep playoffs alive.
ISUr --------------------------- WIN - Redbirds don't fly well in the cold.
@South Dakota --------------- WIN - Yoties will be crying.
@WIU -------------------------- WIN - Jacks push for playoffs as recent history dictates.



Kansas will be mediocre at best in '15. Jacks have a good chance in this game. If ZZ and Sumner were back, I would say the Jacks would win.

Jacks have a nice home slate to start the season: 5/6 at home.

I think WIU is going to be a good team this year.

[mmiller_34]

Kansas will be mediocre at best in '15. Jacks have a good chance in this game. If ZZ and Sumner were back, I would say the Jacks would win.

Same thing with Iowa State in 2008, Minnesota in 2009, Illinois in 2010, and Kansas in 2012. We just don't play with the correct mindset to beat FBS teams. I think this team has a mental thing against FBS teams.

[WTFCollegefootballfan]

ISUr lost a starting safety already. Kicked off the team. And possibly their starting running back....http://www.wjbc.com/2015/05/11/updated-illinois-states-coprich-suspended-following-drug-charge/

Want to change those predictions?

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

ISUr lost a starting safety already. Kicked off the team. And possibly their starting running back....http://www.wjbc.com/2015/05/11/updated-illinois-states-coprich-suspended-following-drug-charge/

Want to change those predictions?


If Coprich is gone for the season or a significant amount of the season, it will be a big loss for the Redbirds.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Same thing with Iowa State in 2008, Minnesota in 2009, Illinois in 2010, and Kansas in 2012. We just don't play with the correct mindset to beat FBS teams. I think this team has a mental thing against FBS teams.


The 2009 Jacks IMO is the best Jacks team I saw. This last year's team was very good also but that 09 team played some really good defense. Should have beat the Gophers and that Montana debacle....xconfusedx.....34 points given up in the 4th...xdontknowx

[mmiller_34]

The 2009 Jacks IMO is the best Jacks team I saw. This last year's team was very good also but that 09 team played some really good defense. Should have beat the Gophers and that Montana debacle....xconfusedx.....34 points given up in the 4th...xdontknowx

We don't speak of those things.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Kansas will be mediocre at best in '15. Jacks have a good chance in this game. If ZZ and Sumner were back, I would say the Jacks would win.

Jacks have a nice home slate to start the season: 5/6 at home.

I think WIU is going to be a good team this year.
Bison bye that week. I'm going to that game in my Bison gear

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Bison bye that week. I'm going to that game in my Bison gear


xthumbsupx

Kansas is one of the worst FBS programs and I bet SDSU beats them this year.

[centennial]

xthumbsupx

Kansas is one of the worst FBS programs and I bet SDSU beats them this year.
SDSU defies logic vs FBS. Kansas is not even close to the worst FBS program- Eastern Michigan, Georgia State would probably be it. Kansas would beat both these teams by 2-3 touchdowns. Massey rates Kansas and SDSU head to head for preseason.

[IBleedYellow]

SDSU can't get over the mental hump of beating FBS squads. I don't see that changing this year w/o Zenner and co.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

SDSU defies logic vs FBS. Kansas is not even close to the worst FBS program- Eastern Michigan, Georgia State would probably be it. Kansas would beat both these teams by 2-3 touchdowns. Massey rates Kansas and SDSU head to head for preseason.


It is one of the worst FBS programs. Georgia State is too young of a program to be considered.

Kansas has an all-time winning % of .492 which ranks 97th out of 128 FBS programs. Ya, they are one of the worst FBS programs.

[344Johnson]

xthumbsupx

Kansas is one of the worst FBS programs and I bet SDSU beats them this year.

Since when are they one of the worst? Perennial power? No but they've been to a BCS bowl...

[clenz]

Since when are they one of the worst? Perennial power? No but they've been to a BCS bowl...
Yeah...that really means nothing as to where they are at.


Going back to the start of the Terry Allen years (keep in mind Glen Mason, who was there before him, at multiple 1 win seasons)



1997

Terry Allen





5


6


0


0.45455


177


279


-102




1998

Terry Allen





4


7


0


0.36364


280


341


-61




1999

Terry Allen





5


7


0


0.41667


294


354


-60




2000

Terry Allen





4


7


0


0.36364


261


359


-98




2001

Terry Allen





3


8


0


0.27273


182


398


-216




2002

Mark Mangino





2


10


0


0.16667


248


507


-259




2003

Mark Mangino





6


7


0


0.46154


384


396


-12




2004

Mark Mangino





4


7


0


0.36364


262


235


27




2005

Mark Mangino





7


5


0


0.58333


269


264


5




2006

Mark Mangino





6


6


0


0.50000


348


306


42




2007

Mark Mangino





12


1


0


0.92308


556


213


343




2008

Mark Mangino





8


5


0


0.61538


434


375


59




2009

Mark Mangino





5


7


0


0.41667


353


341


12




2010

Turner Gill





3


9


0


0.25000


205


413


-208




2011

Turner Gill





2


10


0


0.16667


268


525


-257




2012

Charlie Weis





1


11


0


0.08333


219


433


-214




2013

Charlie Weis





3


9


0


0.25000


184


382


-198




2014

Charlie Weis
Clint Bowen




3


9


0


0.25000


214


399


-185






They've shut just 3 opponents out since the turn of the century - or as many as they have been since the turn of the decade


They have 4 10, or more, win seasons (1899, 1905, 1995, and 2007)
They have 51 winning seasons BUT only 3 since the turn of the century (all under Mangino) and only 5 since "the split". Over half of them came before The Great Depression
They have 69 losing seasons

9 recognized championships BUT 6 of them are CO and 7 of them are older than the baby boomer generation with an 8th is on the edge of a boomer and a flower child. Hell, the 9th isn't even an actual conference title..it's a co-champion of the north division of the b12, and they didn't even win the tie breaker that year. Mizzou got to represent the North in the title game.



1


1892


7-1-0


Western Interstate University Football Association Champions




2


1893


2-5-0


Western Interstate University Football Association Co-Champions




3


1895


6-1-0


Western Interstate University Football Association Co-Champions




4


1908


9-0-0


Missouri Valley Conference Champions




5


1930


6-2-0


Big Eight Conference Champions




6


1946


7-2-1


Big Eight Conference Co-Champions




7


1947


8-1-2


Big Eight Conference Co-Champions




8


1968


9-2-0


Big Eight Conference Co-Champions




9


2007


12-1-0


Big 12 - North Division Co-Champions





Without doing a ton of research, the only program (that's been "major" and existed for a decent amount of time) that I would put on par/maybe worse is Iowa State.

I don't know how Kansas would compare to the Sun Belt, probably a middle of the pack team. They would be near the bottom of the MAC most years. Would be near the bottom of the AAC. Would be middle of the road, at best, in CUSA.

If that doesn't qualify you for "one of the worst programs in America", nothing will

Hell, their coaches recruiting pitch was literally "If you can't play here, where the hell do you think you can play? Have you seen the garbage we have on the field right now?"

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Believe me, they totally know they're **** here.

I went to a gathering one evening on a football game day so I was still wearing my Bison jersey. One person came up to me and asked "What's it like to root for a successful football team?"

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Since when are they one of the worst? Perennial power? No but they've been to a BCS bowl...



Just look at what clenz just posted......ya, they are one of the worst FBS programs.

Nice work clenz...kudos to you!

[Twentysix]

But it doesn't hurt as bad because they are practically an NBA team most years in CBB.

[Bisonoline]

Yeah...that really means nothing as to where they are at.


Going back to the start of the Terry Allen years (keep in mind Glen Mason, who was there before him, at multiple 1 win seasons)



1997

Terry Allen




5


6


0


0.45455


177


279


-102




1998

Terry Allen




4


7


0


0.36364


280


341


-61




1999

Terry Allen




5


7


0


0.41667


294


354


-60




2000

Terry Allen




4


7


0


0.36364


261


359


-98




2001

Terry Allen




3


8


0


0.27273


182


398


-216




2002

Mark Mangino




2


10


0


0.16667


248


507


-259




2003

Mark Mangino




6


7


0


0.46154


384


396


-12




2004

Mark Mangino




4


7


0


0.36364


262


235


27




2005

Mark Mangino




7


5


0


0.58333


269


264


5




2006

Mark Mangino




6


6


0


0.50000


348


306


42




2007

Mark Mangino




12


1


0


0.92308


556


213


343




2008

Mark Mangino




8


5


0


0.61538


434


375


59




2009

Mark Mangino




5


7


0


0.41667


353


341


12




2010

Turner Gill




3


9


0


0.25000


205


413


-208




2011

Turner Gill




2


10


0


0.16667


268


525


-257




2012

Charlie Weis




1


11


0


0.08333


219


433


-214




2013

Charlie Weis




3


9


0


0.25000


184


382


-198




2014

Charlie Weis
Clint Bowen



3


9


0


0.25000


214


399


-185






They've shut just 3 opponents out since the turn of the century - or as many as they have been since the turn of the decade


They have 4 10, or more, win seasons (1899, 1905, 1995, and 2007)
They have 51 winning seasons BUT only 3 since the turn of the century (all under Mangino) and only 5 since "the split". Over half of them came before The Great Depression
They have 69 losing seasons

9 recognized championships BUT 6 of them are CO and 7 of them are older than the baby boomer generation with an 8th is on the edge of a boomer and a flower child. Hell, the 9th isn't even an actual conference title..it's a co-champion of the north division of the b12, and they didn't even win the tie breaker that year. Mizzou got to represent the North in the title game.



1


1892


7-1-0


Western Interstate University Football Association Champions




2


1893


2-5-0


Western Interstate University Football Association Co-Champions




3


1895


6-1-0


Western Interstate University Football Association Co-Champions




4


1908


9-0-0


Missouri Valley Conference Champions




5


1930


6-2-0


Big Eight Conference Champions




6


1946


7-2-1


Big Eight Conference Co-Champions




7


1947


8-1-2


Big Eight Conference Co-Champions




8


1968


9-2-0


Big Eight Conference Co-Champions




9


2007


12-1-0


Big 12 - North Division Co-Champions





Without doing a ton of research, the only program (that's been "major" and existed for a decent amount of time) that I would put on par/maybe worse is Iowa State.

I don't know how Kansas would compare to the Sun Belt, probably a middle of the pack team. They would be near the bottom of the MAC most years. Would be near the bottom of the AAC. Would be middle of the road, at best, in CUSA.

If that doesn't qualify you for "one of the worst programs in America", nothing will

Hell, their coaches recruiting pitch was literally "If you can't play here, where the hell do you think you can play? Have you seen the garbage we have on the field right now?"


BOOM!!!!!

[Bisonoline]

Since when are they one of the worst? Perennial power? No but they've been to a BCS bowl...

Dude? Seriously? Do you ever think before you post?