The MVFC...

[BisonBacker]

The valley is going to be a blood bath this year!

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

The valley is going to be a blood bath this year!


Ya, going to be tough to win it for any team.

[BisonBacker]

That Indiana State win over Ball State really caught my eye. Ball State gave Iowa all they could handle. Illinois State beat what was supposed to be a top team from the OVC. Mo State just slobberknocked the undies xlolx and USD gave Montana a heck of a game in Montana which currently is a top ten team in the FCS. Say what you will but th valley right now is the conference for the FCS that stands head and shoulders above the rest.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

That Indiana State win over Ball State really caught my eye. Ball State gave Iowa all they could handle. Illinois State beat what was supposed to be a top team from the OVC. Mo State just slobberknocked the undies xlolx and USD gave Montana a heck of a game in Montana which currently is a top ten team in the FCS. Say what you will but th valley right now is the conference for the FCS that stands head and shoulders above the rest.

All of the above are in my poll this week.

[BisonBacker]

All of the above are in my poll this week.

All but USD are in mine. I can't see putting USD in above some other well deserving teams but USD is improving for sure.

[penguinpower]

USD is a scrappy team. They will win Se games this year.

[centennial]

And we fall this week.. Thanks UNI and USD.
12 MWC-WEST (A) = 64.79 65.07 ( 12) 6 64.98 ( 12)
13 MWC-MOUNTAIN (A) = 63.80 64.06 ( 13) 6 63.93 ( 13)
14 CONFERENCE USA-WEST (A) = 62.00 61.58 ( 15) 6 61.67 ( 15)
15 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA)= 61.77 62.07 ( 14) 10 61.92 ( 14)
16 MAC-WEST (A) = 61.03 60.84 ( 16) 6 61.03 ( 16)
17 CONFERENCE USA-EAST (A) = 60.37 60.50 ( 17) 7 60.47 ( 17)
18 SUN BELT (A) = 56.69 56.32 ( 19) 11 56.42 ( 18)
19 MAC-EAST (A) = 55.96 56.42 ( 18) 7 56.23 ( 19)
20 OHIO VALLEY (AA)= 53.53 52.98 ( 22) 9 53.21 ( 21)
21 COLONIAL (AA)= 53.29 54.00 ( 20) 12 53.73 ( 20)
22 BIG SKY (AA)= 52.68 53.10 ( 21) 13 52.92 ( 22)
23 SOUTHLAND (AA)= 51.07 51.23 ( 23) 11 51.20 ( 23)
24 SOUTHERN (AA)= 50.93 50.21 ( 24) 8 50.58 ( 24)

[ValleyTalk]

And we fall this week.. Thanks UNI and USD.
12 MWC-WEST (A) = 64.79 65.07 ( 12) 6 64.98 ( 12)
13 MWC-MOUNTAIN (A) = 63.80 64.06 ( 13) 6 63.93 ( 13)
14 CONFERENCE USA-WEST (A) = 62.00 61.58 ( 15) 6 61.67 ( 15)
15 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA)= 61.77 62.07 ( 14) 10 61.92 ( 14)
16 MAC-WEST (A) = 61.03 60.84 ( 16) 6 61.03 ( 16)
17 CONFERENCE USA-EAST (A) = 60.37 60.50 ( 17) 7 60.47 ( 17)
18 SUN BELT (A) = 56.69 56.32 ( 19) 11 56.42 ( 18)
19 MAC-EAST (A) = 55.96 56.42 ( 18) 7 56.23 ( 19)
20 OHIO VALLEY (AA)= 53.53 52.98 ( 22) 9 53.21 ( 21)
21 COLONIAL (AA)= 53.29 54.00 ( 20) 12 53.73 ( 20)
22 BIG SKY (AA)= 52.68 53.10 ( 21) 13 52.92 ( 22)
23 SOUTHLAND (AA)= 51.07 51.23 ( 23) 11 51.20 ( 23)
24 SOUTHERN (AA)= 50.93 50.21 ( 24) 8 50.58 ( 24)
What on earth is the Sports Network going to do!? Not only is the Colonial #21, but the Southern is #24. Oh the humanity!

[centennial]

What on earth is the Sports Network going to do!? Not only is the Colonial #21, but the Southern is #24. Oh the humanity!
Bury their heads in sand and come up with a nice biased list.

[IBleedYellow]

I still have USD beating UNI.

[Houndawg]

I still have USD beating UNI.

Wouldn't surprise me to see every team in the MVC with a conference loss to somebody they "should have" beaten, e.g., UNI should beat SIU this year on paper, but they have to come to the dirty 'dale the week after playing what is sure to be an emotional game against NDSU. Stuff like that could dtermine the MVC champ this year.

[SIUSalukiFan]

Wouldn't surprise me to see every team in the MVC with a conference loss to somebody they "should have" beaten, e.g., UNI should beat SIU this year on paper, but they have to come to the dirty 'dale the week after playing what is sure to be an emotional game against NDSU. Stuff like that could dtermine the MVC champ this year.

How do you figure UNI "should" beat SIU on paper?

When was the last time the Panthers won in Carbondale?

[Houndawg]

How do you figure UNI "should" beat SIU on paper?

When was the last time the Panthers won in Carbondale?


Let me rephrase "Should beat" to "picked to finish ahead of"...

[SIUSalukiFan]

Let me rephrase "Should beat" to "picked to finish ahead of"...

OK. xthumbsupx

[mmiller_34]

After 4 weeks the MVFC is...

OVERALL W/L = 25-11
FBS Games = 2-10
SUB FCS Games = 3-0
FCS Games = 20-1

[frozennorth]

over rated

[centennial]

The valley is completely over rated

[mmiller_34]

I agree.

[Thumper 76]

The quality of the MVFC play is sightly above powderpuff games and just below junior high. Can't see why so many teams are ranked in this conference.

[Theee Catrabbit]

SDSU had to play a D3 school to remain relevant......what a bush league conference.......thank god they didn't play Col State Pueblo and get exposed.......that would have been embarrassing.......

[Thumper 76]

We're just smart enough to know which teams would expose us as frauds

[centennial]

We're just smart enough to know which teams would expose us as frauds
After one at large last year, I hope our overlords in the CAA and Big Sky will let us sneak one at large again this year.

[frozennorth]

After one at large last year, I hope our overlords in the CAA and Big Sky will let us sneak one at large again this year.
sorry 3 OVC teams again.

[penguinpower]

22-1 against FCS competition with a respectable loss against #4 Montana by a team picked to finish at the bottom of the conference. Also need to mention that same team knocked off a ranked opponent the following week.

[Lehigh'98]

No one is arguing the MVFC is the best conf in FCS this year, but just in case I forgot for a second thanks for reminding me. Your group circle jerk is disgusting.

[Houndawg]

No one is arguing the MVFC is the best conf in FCS this year, but just in case I forgot for a second thanks for reminding me. Your group circle jerk is disgusting.

xlolx

The butthurt is strong in this one, Obi-wan....

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

No one is arguing the MVFC is the best conf in FCS this year, but just in case I forgot for a second thanks for reminding me. Your group circle jerk is disgusting.



Should have quit right there....xthumbsupx

[Lehigh'98]

Should have quit right there....xthumbsupx

I just don't get the love for rivals. Really, the SEC started all of this with the conf chest thumping (no Kentucky, you still suck even though you lose to SEC opponents). Now its invaded all facets of college football.

[Professor Chaos]

I just don't get the love for rivals. Really, the SEC started all of this with the conf chest thumping (no Kentucky, you still suck even though you lose to SEC opponents). Now its invaded all facets of college football.
While I agree there's really no need to constantly try to remind everyone about how good the MVFC is, having your conference rivals do well out of conference is a good thing for your team. It improves the strength of schedule and national perception of those conference mates which is big come playoff seeding/selection time. A conference win against a Missouri St team that went 3-1 OOC conference against a very solid schedule looks good to the selection committee or, on the flip side, a loss doesn't look as bad because they've proven they're a pretty darn good team. I root for every MVFC team to win every OOC game they play.

[Cocky]

sorry 3 OVC teams again.
Last year the MVC had a losing record against the OVC. This year you don't so your odds are greater to get more bids. As I've stated multiple time the OVC didn't get your bids last year as every team we sent won at least one.

[No_Skill]

I also think it's funny that in the past when the OOC was weaker everyone would use it against the MVFC teams. Now that the MVFC has a strong OOC record people don't want us to tout it? I don't get that.

[Lehigh'98]

I also think it's funny that in the past when the OOC was weaker everyone would use it against the MVFC teams. Now that the MVFC has a strong OOC record people don't want us to tout it? I don't get that.

I guess being from the Patriot League where you can go 10-1 with 10 D1 wins and still miss out, I have given up on the conf strength/playoff thing. It is a valid point, but still requires you to root for teams you dislike the most.

[Bisonator]

Our OOC record will be forgotten come PO selection time and we've all beaten up on each other in conference play. We'll have 1-2 teams with 2-3 losses and 3-4 with 4-5 losses and get our 2 teams in again and the committee will say yeah well look at your conference records. Blah, blah, blah.....rinse, repeat.

[No_Skill]

I guess being from the Patriot League where you can go 10-1 with 10 D1 wins and still miss out, I have given up on the conf strength/playoff thing. It is a valid point, but still requires you to root for teams you dislike the most.

I understand your point. I think it's a long term view situation. Right now, I could really care less about how many other MVFC teams get in. NDSU is on the path to a top seed and we should at least get in. I the future, however, when NDSU is no a top Valley team...hell yeah I'll be pumping up the Valley to get 10 teams in the playoffs.

[Red & Black]

Our OOC record will be forgotten come PO selection time and we've all beaten up on each other in conference play. We'll have 1-2 teams with 2-3 losses and 3-4 with 4-5 losses and get our 2 teams in again and the committee will say yeah well look at your conference records. Blah, blah, blah.....rinse, repeat.

My guess is 3-4 for the MVFC this year based on OOC records. My guess is NDSU, UNI, SDSU, and one other.


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[Professor Chaos]

Using my AGS top 25 ballot to project who would be in the playoffs if they started next week (assuming the highest ranked team in each conference is the autobid) I have 6 MVFC teams in the 24 team field; NDSU, UNI, SDSU, SIU, YSU, and MSU. Obviously that number will go down once the teams start playing each other in conference but I'm fairly sure it would take a nearly worst case scenario of intra-conference results for the MVFC to get any less than 3 teams this year.

[DoubleE]

I might be in the minority but im thinking we get 5 in this year

NDSU, SDSU, UNI, Illinois State (trey roberson is that good) and either SIU or YSU

[Yotes]

I guess being from the Patriot League where you can go 10-1 with 10 D1 wins and still miss out, I have given up on the conf strength/playoff thing. It is a valid point, but still requires you to root for teams you dislike the most.
Pretty sure every single team in the MVFC would win the Patriot League, there's a very good reason why you can get 10 D1 wins playing in that conference and not make the playoffs.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I might be in the minority but im thinking we get 5 in this year

NDSU, SDSU, UNI, Illinois State (trey roberson is that good) and either SIU or YSU



This might happen.

[centennial]

Pretty sure every single team in the MVFC would win the Patriot League, there's a very good reason why you can get 10 D1 wins playing in that conference and not make the playoffs.
Bam!

[UNIFanSince1983]

I might be in the minority but im thinking we get 5 in this year

NDSU, SDSU, UNI, Illinois State (trey roberson is that good) and either SIU or YSU

You can take UNI off that list we aren't any good.

[centennial]

You can take UNI off that list we aren't any good.
How about no!

[RabidRabbit]

You can take UNI off that list we aren't any good.


Long ways to go to Sandbagging like the McNeese fans.:p

[UNIFanSince1983]

Long ways to go to Sandbagging like the McNeese fans.:p

Haha yeah I know. Honestly, until yesterday I wasn't real sure how good we were. Still not sure after yesterday, but feel a lot better than I did. We finally played well. Probably helps to be playing FCS competition again.

[clenz]

Haha yeah I know. Honestly, until yesterday I wasn't real sure how good we were. Still not sure after yesterday, but feel a lot better than I did. We finally played well. Probably helps to be playing FCS competition again.
That last line is key. Hawaii isn't a great team but the time difference and travel was likely too much to overcome. Play on the mainland and we take it.

Against fcs teams uni will be a force, especially the defense

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[frozennorth]

Last year the MVC had a losing record against the OVC. This year you don't so your odds are greater to get more bids. As I've stated multiple time the OVC didn't get your bids last year as every team we sent won at least one.
actually i had no problem with the ovc's bids last year. Just playing out how i think it will go this year.

[MSUDuo]

I might be in the minority but im thinking we get 5 in this year

NDSU, SDSU, UNI, Illinois State (trey roberson is that good) and either SIU or YSU

We'll get 5 but it won't be those 5 xsmiley_wix

[BattinRam]

MVFC Teams ranking in Sagarins Top 20
FCS Ranking - Team - Overall D1 Ranking
1. ND St. 43
2. SD St. 70
5. UNI 82
11. SIU 101
12. MO St. 104
14. IL St. 110
15. YSU 111

[Houndawg]

My guess is 3-4 for the MVFC this year based on OOC records. My guess is NDSU, UNI, SDSU, and one other.


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We don't play the Jacks this year but either they're getting too much respect or SIU isn't getting enough. We have 18 starters back from the team that beat them at their place, on Hobo Day, last year, and held them to 91 net yds. rushing.

[NDB]

held them to 91 yards rushing.


that's adorable.

[centennial]

Top 30 Massey Comprehensive ratings. IMO much better than anything else out there, except Harvard-


1 N Dakota St MVFC (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=5545&s=262657)







2 Coastal Car BSo (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=1637&s=262657)







3 E Washington BSC (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=2383&s=262657)







4 S Dakota St MVFC (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=7268&s=262657)







5 Villanova CA (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=8415&s=262657)


















6 Missouri St MVFC (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=4970&s=262657)







7 S Illinois MVFC (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=7339&s=262657)








8 Illinois St MVFC (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=3449&s=262657)







9 McNeese St SLC (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=4613&s=262657)







10 Northern Iowa MVFC (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=5641&s=262657)







11 Youngstown St MVFC (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=9217&s=262657)







12 Harvard Ivy (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=3162&s=262657)








13 Montana BSC (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=5035&s=262657)







14 E Kentucky OVC (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=2346&s=262657)







15









Jacksonville St OVC (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=3606&s=262657)







16 William & Mary (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=8934&s=262657)








CAA









17 New Hampshire CAA (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=5342&s=262657)







18 Samford SC (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=6987&s=262657)








19 SE Louisiana SLC (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=7314&s=262657)







20 Indiana St MVFC (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=3509&s=262657)







21 Liberty BSo (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=4076&s=262657)








22 Fordham PL (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=2682&s=262657)







23 Northwestern LA SLC (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=5724&s=262657)







24 Chattanooga SC (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=7809&s=262657)







25 E Illinois OVC (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=2341&s=262657)








26 Montana St BSC (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=5042&s=262657)







27 Richmond CAA (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=6547&s=262657)







28 NC A&T MEAC (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=5500&s=262657)







29 South Dakota MVFC (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=7262&s=262657)







30 W Illinois MVFC (http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=8754&s=262657)

[RabidRabbit]

xcoffeex All 10 MVFC in top 30. xthumbsupxxnodx

[Cocky]

actually i had no problem with the ovc's bids last year. Just playing out how i think it will go this year.
I don't see anyone getting the MVC bids this year except the "conference can have only so many" rule.

[Thumper 76]

We don't play the Jacks this year but either they're getting too much respect or SIU isn't getting enough. We have 18 starters back from the team that beat them at their place, on Hobo Day, last year, and held them to 91 net yds. rushing.

Because LAST year is always spot on for this year.

[ValleyTalk]

Because LAST year is always spot on for this year.
Also, one game is a large enough body of record to judge an entire season.

SIU may have won that game, but SDSU's overall resume was very strong last year. They look even better this year.

[clenz]

What are zenners career stats against siu?

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[underdawg]

What are zenners career stats against siu?

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I'm glad you asked: 2011--59 yards (4.2 per carry); 2012--49 yards (2.9 ypc) and 2013---112 yards (3.6 ypc)

[RabidRabbit]

It's interesting that SDSU is 2-1 vs SIU in the 2011-13 Zenner years. It's the low yardage years that the Jacks beat Salukis.

[ysubigred]

No one is arguing the MVFC is the best conf in FCS this year, but just in case I forgot for a second thanks for reminding me. Your group circle jerk is disgusting.

No Circle Jerk could ever match the strength of the Leha Circle Jerk of a few years ago when you thought your team was good xsmileyclapx
x406x

[BearAttack]

I am hoping TERRY ALLEN gets the job done this year. Man his job security is crazy.xlolx

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

No Circle Jerk could ever match the strength of the Leha Circle Jerk of a few years ago when you thought your team was good xsmileyclapx
x406x




Lehigh has one good program......wrestling!

[wow]

After 4 weeks the MVFC is...

OVERALL W/L = 25-11
FBS Games = 2-10
SUB FCS Games = 3-0
FCS Games = 20-1


My apologies if this has been addressed, but what is the historical significance of this? Have other conferences performed like this against non-conference opponents before?

[Mattymc727]

My apologies if this has been addressed, but what is the historical significance of this? Have other conferences performed like this against non-conference opponents before?

This year , the CAA is 17-6 against non conference FCS games. Not too far off....

[penguinpower]

This year , the CAA is 17-6 against non conference FCS games. Not too far off....

With 3 losses to partial scholarship conferences. Still the second best.

[Mattymc727]

With 3 losses to partial scholarship conferences. Still the second best.

True, but you guys make it sound like whats happening this year has never been done in history. Im sure it has at some point by somebody.

[Mattymc727]

In 2009, I counted the CAA at 14-3 against FCS non- conference competition, and 4-2 against the FBS.

I didnt add in Albany, Elon or Stony Brook records, and I counted Umass because thats what the conference looked like back then.

[clenz]

I dont know about overall record but this is home record vs non con teams from the weekly press release from the mvfc


League teams have combined for an 18-0 start in non-conference home games this year, and three more home non-MVFC regular-season games remain. Only once in the league’s 29 previous years has the league been perfect at home.
Best Home Records, vs. Non-League (MVFC History)
2014 -- 18-0 (1.000)
2011 -- 15-0 (1.000)
1999 -- 20-1 (.952)
1996 -- 19-1 (.950)
2012 -- 17-1 (.944)
1991 -- 16-1-1 (.917)

[clenz]

FCS records and Total records

Big Sky 8-9 16-26
SLC 8-9 14-23
MVFC 20-1 25-11
OVC 5-7 12-14
PFL 4-13 12-20
PL 12-11 12-12
NEC 8-14 11-16
CAA 16-6 18-17
Big South 11-2 16-7
MEAC 4-14 11-28
SOCON 4-7 9-14
IVY 3-5 3-5
SWAC 2-8 11-13

[Bisonator]

FCS records and Total records

Big Sky 8-9 16-26
SLC 8-9 14-23
MVFC 20-1 25-11
OVC 5-7 12-14
PFL 4-13 12-20
PL 12-11 12-12
NEC 8-14 11-16
CAA 16-6 18-17
Big South 11-2 16-7
MEAC 4-14 11-28
SOCON 4-7 9-14
IVY 3-5 3-5
SWAC 2-8 11-13

Wow.

[Sycamore62]

I dont know about overall record but this is home record vs non con teams from the weekly press release from the mvfc


League teams have combined for an 18-0 start in non-conference home games this year, and three more home non-MVFC regular-season games remain. Only once in the league’s 29 previous years has the league been perfect at home.
Best Home Records, vs. Non-League (MVFC History)
2014 -- 18-0 (1.000)
2011 -- 15-0 (1.000)
1999 -- 20-1 (.952)
1996 -- 19-1 (.950)
2012 -- 17-1 (.944)
1991 -- 16-1-1 (.917)


AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WHY DIDNT YOU WAIT TILL SUNDAY FOR THIS?!?!?!!

Im stressed out enough, I dont need jinxes

[clenz]

Da fuq?

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[Sycamore62]

Da fuq?

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mostly joking. We have Liberty at home this week and I am superstitious.

[achrist70]

If the Valley doesn't get 5 teams in the playoffs it will be a travesty

[MR. CHICKEN]

If the Valley doesn't get 5 teams in the playoffs it will be a travesty


19740......BETTERAH WAIT....TIL AFTERAH DUH GAMES..ARE IN DUH BOOKS.......DON'T COUNT YER CHICKENS........PLENTY O' EGGS...WILL BE LAID....xrotatehx...AWK!

[Lehigh'98]

No Circle Jerk could ever match the strength of the Leha Circle Jerk of a few years ago when you thought your team was good xsmileyclapx
x406x

Since Tressel left, YSU has 2 playoff wins, Lehigh 4. Go have a beer with Pavlik at Pal Joey's (if its still open) and enjoy the season. I have always wanted Lehigh and YSU matched up in the playoffs, never happens though, we always end up out east.

[Bison56]

If the Valley doesn't get 5 teams in the playoffs it will be a travesty

A lot of season left.

[Cocky]

FCS records and Total records

Big Sky 8-9 16-26
SLC 8-9 14-23
MVFC 20-1 25-11 (tel:20-1 25-11)
OVC 5-7 12-14
PFL 4-13 12-20
PL 12-11 12-12 (tel:12-11 12-12)
NEC 8-14 11-16
CAA 16-6 18-17 (tel:16-6 18-17)
Big South 11-2 16-7
MEAC 4-14 11-28
SOCON 4-7 9-14
IVY 3-5 3-5
SWAC 2-8 11-13

OVC
You can put the OVC at 5-9. TTU plays UNI and AP plays ISUr.
All of our losses but two will have been to a ranked team (AGS poll).
Opponents record 20-19
two wins against ranked teams.

MVC
Only loss to a ranked team
One win against ranked team
Opponents record 26-54.

[clenz]

OVC
You can put the OVC at 5-9. TTU plays UNI and AP plays ISUr.
All of our losses but two will have been to a ranked team (AGS poll).
Opponents record 20-19
two wins against ranked teams.

MVC
Only loss to a ranked team
One win against ranked team
Opponents record 26-54.
you can try to spin that, but what i'm reading is...the ovc isn't good enough to beat the good teams they play.

[Cocky]

you can try to spin that, but what i'm reading is...the ovc isn't good enough to beat the good teams they play.
Can't argue with your statement.
But we have played some good ones. 4 of the seven were against MVC teams.

[TTUEagles]

For UNI fans and of course, Cocky:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11578167/how-watson-brown-lost-more-games-coach-college-football-history

[SUPharmacist]

For UNI fans and of course, Cocky:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11578167/how-watson-brown-lost-more-games-coach-college-football-history

Thanks, that was a good read, hopefully 200 can wait a while.

[UNI Pike]

Till about 7 PM central on Saturday

[Cocky]

Thanks, that was a good read, hopefully 200 can wait a while.
He does a great job of promoting Watson. Hopefully he will leave TTU with better facilities.

[TTUEagles]

Till about 7 PM central on Saturday

The "Captain Obvious" statement of the day...:)

[UNI Pike]

The best dot com to read about UNI rolling TTU is anygivensaturday.com. it's on the internet.

[ysubigred]

Since Tressel left, YSU has 2 playoff wins, Lehigh 4. Go have a beer with Pavlik at Pal Joey's (if its still open) and enjoy the season. I have always wanted Lehigh and YSU matched up in the playoffs, never happens though, we always end up out east.

LOL!! Don't live in Y-Town anymore... Looks like YSU will only have two untill we get a new coach xbawlingx Looks like the best we both can hope for is a regular season match up xthumbsupx


xdrunkyxCheers..

[unigriff]

anyone wanna name the score of the UNI-TTU game? :) 48-3 is my pick :)

[Lehigh'98]

LOL!! Don't live in Y-Town anymore... Looks like YSU will only have two untill we get a new coach xbawlingx Looks like the best we both can hope for is a regular season match up xthumbsupx


xdrunkyxCheers..

I would definitely take a regular season matchup. Only a 5 hr drive across route 80. YSU ( my hometown) is my 2nd favorite team behind Lehigh. Maybe the scheduling Gods will be kind one of these years.

[skinny_uncle]

anyone wanna name the score of the UNI-TTU game? :) 48-3 is my pick :)

37-10

[DoubleE]

I would definitely take a regular season matchup. Only a 5 hr drive across route 80. YSU ( my hometown) is my 2nd favorite team behind Lehigh. Maybe the scheduling Gods will be kind one of these years.

wow promoting president tressel to god ? Who am i kidding, he has been a god in ohio for the last 25 years

[centennial]

So the real question is - Do we deserve more than 1 at large? Will the CAA, BSC ADs keep the circle jerk and keep voting for each other to keep the MVFC out of the playoffs?

[MplsBison]

If the Valley doesn't get 5 teams in the playoffs it will be a travesty

Sorry, only football conferences with 12 or 13 teams are allowed to get 4 or 5 teams in the playoff bracket.

[centennial]

Sorry, only football conferences with 12 or 13 teams are allowed to get 4 or 5 teams in the playoff bracket.
Cue.. UND should be in MVFC, Summit and we should play them every year.. 3...2...1..GO

[MplsBison]

Cue.. UND should be in MVFC, Summit and we should play them every year.. 3...2...1..GO

No, we don't have to go there.

I'm just stating the obvious re: conference size and the number of teams that get in. End

[Vitojr130]

OVC
You can put the OVC at 5-9. TTU plays UNI and AP plays ISUr.
All of our losses but two will have been to a ranked team (AGS poll).
Opponents record 20-19
two wins against ranked teams.

MVC
Only loss to a ranked team
One win against ranked team
Opponents record 26-54.

Hey, it's hard to play ranked teams when half of them are in your conference and you haven't started conference play yet xthumbsupx

[Thumper 76]

So the real question is - Do we deserve more than 1 at large? Will the CAA, BSC ADs keep the circle jerk and keep voting for each other to keep the MVFC out of the playoffs?

Oh. My. Sweet. Jesus. Give it a rest champ.

[centennial]

Oh. My. Sweet. Jesus. Give it a rest champ.
Let's hope everyone that deserves gets in. I hate it when teams that should be in are left out, regardless of what conference they belong to..

[MplsBison]

Let's hope everyone that deserves gets in. I hate it when teams that should be in are left out, regardless of what conference they belong to..

Tough to get those deserving, more talented teams into the playoffs when they actually have to play each other during the regular season.

[Cocky]

Let's hope everyone that deserves gets in. I hate it when teams that should be in are left out, regardless of what conference they belong to..
I can promise you someone will feel left out. Unless you let everyone in it will a close call for the last place. No one was left out who would have beaten NDSU so what does it matter which team got mule stomped by the Bison.

[centennial]

I can promise you someone will feel left out. Unless you let everyone in it will a close call for the last place. No one was left out who would have beaten NDSU so what does it matter which team got mule stomped by the Bison.
All I want is transparency in the picking. Have a week to week at large or a NCAA ranking that decides this. The picks are too subjective IMO.

[clenz]

All I want is transparency in the picking. Have a week to week at large or a NCAA ranking that decides this. The picks are too subjective IMO.
But the srs!!!!!


Funny the it isn't released until after the selection show, isn't it? That way they can just make the rankings up to justify their selections.

No formula actually needed

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[NoDak 4 Ever]

Oh. My. Sweet. Jesus. Give it a rest champ.

Quite frankly the argument is for teams like yours, not ours. We will get in.

[Thumper 76]

Quite frankly the argument is for teams like yours, not ours. We will get in.

I realize that the argument is for bubble teams from the MVFC. But this gotten past the point of argument and well into the realm of whining. I personally believe that some team will be left out again that causes much wailing and gnashing of teeth, but will be accompanied by a large number of at large berths as well for our conference. In the end each team is in control of their own destiny at this point however with how they performed in the OOC. Let's just wait till we see how conference play shakes out before we start crying injustice on this years selections before they are even made.

[Thumper 76]

I would even go so far as to guarantee that there will be a team left out that we MVFC teams scream about because if you go into something assuming you will be slighted or screwed over in, you will almost always find something that you deem to fit that description.

[MplsBison]

I would even go so far as to guarantee that there will be a team left out that we MVFC teams scream about because if you go into something assuming you will be slighted or screwed over in, you will almost always find something that you deem to fit that description.

And that would be fine if four MVFC teams got in. But they all have to play each other and hence they will only have the records to get two in.

[mmiller_34]

Wow. The OOC games today...

[mmiller_34]

Tenn Tech has 17 total yards. 8:00 min to play in the 3rd qtr...

[Twentysix]

Tenn Tech has 17 total yards. 8:00 min to play in the 3rd qtr...

Wow, that 16 more yards that I would have expected! Way to exceed expectations TTU!

[Houndawg]

SIU 7-0, 5:45 1st. 12 play 74 yd drive.

[clenz]

I'll post then later, but UNIs stats against FCS teams are stupid good

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[Twentysix]

TD WIU

[Twentysix]

Tie game

You can watch it here: http://apps.ohlulz.com/ncaa/assets/osmf/StrobeMediaPlayback.swf?src=http://cbsicollege-lh.akamaihd.net/z/459367_silu9GWOU@133670/manifest.f4m?hdcore=2.10.3&autoPlay=true&verbose=true&controlBarAutoHide=true&controlBarPosition=bottom&javascriptCallbackFunction=jsbridge&plugin_hls=assets/osmf/HLSProviderOSMF.swf&f4m=http://cbsicollege-lh.akamaihd.net/z/459367_silu9GWOU@133670/manifest.f4m

[Houndawg]

7-7 WIU scores on 20 yd screen

[MSUDuo]

And that would be fine if four MVFC teams got in. But they all have to play each other and hence they will only have the records to get two in.
So, you're on record as saying Valley will only get 2 teams in?

[Twentysix]

99 yd TD drive by WIU.

14-7 WIU leads.

[Twentysix]

10-14 WIU still leads.

[BattinRam]

Western hangs on to the lead going to Halftime

[Twentysix]

SIU 27-17 to start the 4th

[Houndawg]

34-17 final. very sloppy game.

[skinny_uncle]

34-17 final. very sloppy game.

Still, at least for this week, the Salukis are in first place in the Valley.
xthumbsupx

[DJKyR0]

So outside of the one conference game Valley teams outscored their non-conference opposition 143-32. Far and away the best conference in the country and if we can get six teams to seven wins I say we get four into the playoffs. Five is a distinct possibility considering Indiana State (Indiana freaking State) has the second-best resume in the conference with an FBS win and a top-25 win.

[ValleyTalk]

10-14 WIU still leads.
That is not how we write or articulate sports scores my friend. xsmhx

[skinny_uncle]

23-1 against the FCS?

[clenz]

UNI against FCS teams...




UNI
Opp


Total Points
97
14


Points Per Game
48.5
7


First Downs
48
13


Net Yards Rushing
632
119


Rush Yd Per Game
316
59.5


Rush Att Per Game
100
59


Yd Per Carry
6.32
2.01


Rush TD
4
2


Net Yards Passing
369
172


Completions
27
19


Attempts
45
35


Completion %
60.00%
54.28%


TD Thown
5
0


INT Thrown
0
2


Yd Per Completion
13.67
9.05


Yd Per Attempt
8.2
4.91


Total Yards
727
291


Plays
145
94


YPP
5.01
3.09


INT Yards
32
0


INT TDs
1
0


Fumble Recoviers
2
0


Fumble Yards
7
0


3rd Down Conv
10
2


3rd Down Att
29
24


3rd Down %
35%
8.33%


4th Down Conv
1
0


4th Down Att
2
1


Red Zone Chances
12
2


Red Zone Scores
12
1


Red Zone TD
6
1


Red Zone FG
6
0


Sacks
12
1


Sack Yards
77
7


FG Made
8
0


FG Att
8
0


Pts off turnovers
34
0

[MSUDuo]

You forgot one

Combined record: 2-6

[UNI Pike]

Let's talk about UNI stat dominance after the game next week. That would be a better measuring stick. Still, those last two games have been total mismatches.

[clenz]

You forgot one

Combined record: 2-6
Ah...


So you are saying UNI is curb stomping the **** out of teams they should?

Right, if only the starters actually played the second halves of those games imagine what it would be.

It's not like MSU has played any harder of a schedule at 4-6. Has MSU been curb stomping their FCS opponents?

[unigriff]

UNI @ ISUb next week should be a great game. Outside of Parrish for the Sycs, they don't have a ton of talent. Their defense is decent though and they can stop the run. If UNI can pound out wins on the road the next two weeks...watch out. The schedule worked out nicely that UNI gets SDSU, and Illinois St at home before NDSU comes to the Dome. The Panthers have all the moons aligned to make a legit run at not only the conference title but a top 2 seed if they play like most of us believe they can. There is no cakewalk in the Valley schedule but I like our chances.

[unigriff]

clenz outside of that one 84 yd TD run...I was looking forward to that 10 cent 2nd pizza!

[MSUDuo]

Ah...


So you are saying UNI is curb stomping the **** out of teams they should?

Right, if only the starters actually played the second halves of those games imagine what it would be.

It's not like MSU has played any harder of a schedule at 4-6. Has MSU been curb stomping their FCS opponents?

Ah, come on man. I'm just giving ya $#!+. Why do you have to go all serious on me?

But to answer your question, yes, we curb stomped the one we were suppose to, 38-0. The others, who are actually worth a damn, no, but we won.

And you need to learn how to add! It's 6-8 for our combined FCS opponents xthumbsupx

[clenz]

clenz outside of that one 84 yd TD run...I was looking forward to that 10 cent 2nd pizza!
8 cents.


Other than that 1 play they had 8 yards on 41 plays.

[clenz]

Let's talk about UNI stat dominance after the game next week. That would be a better measuring stick. Still, those last two games have been total mismatches.
The thing is, though, when is the last time you remember a UNI team just going out and curb stomping someone that they should early like that?

D2 Central State in 2012 in a 59-0 win? That same Central State team that took a bus 13 hours to the game.
Before that?
South Dakota in 09 when UNI was up something like 49-0 at half and Pat Grace threw for 450ish yards in the first half and finished 66-7 in that game?

This is something that UNI hasn't done in a while, and it's nice to see.

It's one thing to beat teams you should. It's another to completely embarrass them like UNI has the last two weeks.

It could all come crashing down, in an epic fashion that only UNI could do, come conference play....it really could. I wouldn't be entirely shocked if that happened, sadly.

Also, keep in mind that Northern Colorado took FBS UNLV to the wire in a 13-12 loss, and TTU lost to top 25 Tennessee State just 10-7 one week ago.

[Cocky]

8 cents.


Other than that 1 play they had 8 yards on 41 plays.

But Watson used his plan to become the all time losing coach. He probably worked overtime to develop a crappy game plan.

[JayJ79]

a brief breakdown of the MVFC's non-conference results for this regular season (no more OOC games until the playoffs)

Overall record: 28-11 (avg score 33-19)

vs. FBS: 2-10 (P5 conferences: 1-1 vs. Big12, 0-6 vs. BigTen, 0-1 vs. SEC, 0-1 vs. Pac12; G5 conferences: 1-0 vs. MAC, 0-1 vs. Mtn West)
vs. sub D-I: 3-0 (2 NAIA, 1 D3)

vs. FCS: 23-1 (avg score 40-14)

vs. Big Sky: 7-1 (avg score 31-12)
vs. OVC: 6-0 (avg score 46-14)
vs. Southland: 3-0 (avg score 42-19)
vs. Big South: 1-0 (avg score 38-19)
vs. SWAC: 1-0 (avg score 62-0)
vs. NEC: 2-0 (avg score 43-23)
vs. PFL: 3-0 (avg score 42-11)

[unigriff]

let the fun begin next week!!! SIU already in 1st in the conference after beating WIU.

Here's next week!




Top 3 Preseason faves all on the road to open the Valley season. Should be a crazy weekend!

SDSU @ ISU(r)




UNI at Indiana State






Youngstown State at Missouri State






NDSU at Western Illinois






South Dakota at Southern Illinois

[unigriff]

The game of the week next week actually might be SDSU @ ISUr. That has the most intrigue for me.

[UNI Pike]

I also remember watching UNI light up Wayne State (NE) 77-0 under Earl Bruce. The same season they went 5-6.

UNLV is a bad, bad team - regardless of which division they are in.

That said, the Trees will be a much better matchup, especially since the game is away.

[underdawg]

UNI better watch out--very nice passer for Blue

wow I really want to watch YSU vs MSU--that will be one hell of a game!

[UNI Pike]

I want to see if Mo ST has finally found its mojo after 20 years in the wilderness.

[unigriff]

should be a great weekend. Zenner and crew vs. high octane Redbirds. First defense to force 3 3 and outs wins.
Panther D vs. Sycs Parrish
Guins who haven't really played anyone vs MSU who has surprised everyone.
NDSU first real test...on the road. Are they who we think they are?
SIU should have a fairly easy game.

[unigriff]

I'm going with Redbirds, Cats, Bears, Bizon, and Ugly Dawgs that Eat Children

[Thumper 76]

Thank god it's finally conference season!

I'll second your picks outside of the ISU-red game I'll go Jacks (shocker). I think the D for SDSU is much improved over last year and the offense is better. But hell we're all optimists when conference season starts and nobody who matters has lost to a FCS team.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Some good games this coming weekend.

My 2$:


SDSU
UNI
MSU
NDSU -- looks like WIU doesn't have much of a running game....xnodx....look out!
SIU

[Sycamore51]

The thing is, though, when is the last time you remember a UNI team just going out and curb stomping someone that they should early like that?

D2 Central State in 2012 in a 59-0 win? That same Central State team that took a bus 13 hours to the game.
Before that?
South Dakota in 09 when UNI was up something like 49-0 at half and Pat Grace threw for 450ish yards in the first half and finished 66-7 in that game?

This is something that UNI hasn't done in a while, and it's nice to see.

It's one thing to beat teams you should. It's another to completely embarrass them like UNI has the last two weeks.

It could all come crashing down, in an epic fashion that only UNI could do, come conference play....it really could. I wouldn't be entirely shocked if that happened, sadly.

Also, keep in mind that Northern Colorado took FBS UNLV to the wire in a 13-12 loss, and TTU lost to top 25 Tennessee State just 10-7 one week ago.
The week before that though TTU was destroyed by INST 49-14. They scored on a punt block in the end zone and a punt return. They had 166 total yards of offense and gave up 543 to INST. Pretty similar stat wise to the UNI/TTU game yesterday, so it could shape up to be a very good game in Terre Haute on Saturday.
Sadly we are all going into conference play thumping our chests and there is a for real chance that some 3-1 & ranked teams will finish the season 3-9, 4-8, or 5-7 at best. Only in the Valley!

[TTUEagles]

But Watson used his plan to become the all time losing coach. He probably worked overtime to develop a crappy game plan.

He doesn't have to work at developing a crappy game plan. That comes natural to him.
He needs to focus on game mgmt and fund raising; get a true, independent OC and get his hands out of the defensive game planning cookie jar.

[Red & Black]

But Watson used his plan to become the all time losing coach. He probably worked overtime to develop a crappy game plan.

I watched the ESPN plug on Watson yesterday. Definitely much more to his story than the W/L column.

[MplsBison]

So, you're on record as saying Valley will only get 2 teams in?

That happened last year, did it not?

What I'm really saying is just the obvious: if you "only" have ten teams in your conference and eight of them are true top 25 programs in the subdivision, they're all going to beat up on each other because there aren't enough "wins" from the other conference teams.

Record is what gets you into the bracket, regardless who you play.

[MplsBison]

So outside of the one conference game Valley teams outscored their non-conference opposition 143-32. Far and away the best conference in the country and if we can get six teams to seven wins I say we get four into the playoffs. Five is a distinct possibility considering Indiana State (Indiana freaking State) has the second-best resume in the conference with an FBS win and a top-25 win.

Is Liberty really a top 25?

Regardless, I guess I was wrong about Indiana St having regressed so far in such a quick amount of time. Though we will have to wait and see how many conference games they win, but it seems like they should be able to pick up at least one win or maybe two against the first seven MVFC conference games.

[Cocky]

I watched the ESPN plug on Watson yesterday. Definitely much more to his story than the W/L column.
Have you ever known anyone personally who worked with him? There are two sides to every story. Just ask the Samford head coach about his feelings for Watson.

[Cocky]

Is Liberty really a top 25?

Regardless, I guess I was wrong about Indiana St having regressed so far in such a quick amount of time. Though we will have to wait and see how many conference games they win, but it seems like they should be able to pick up at least one win or maybe two against the first seven MVFC conference games.

Liberty is the best OOC win by the MVC so far this season.

[Thundar]

Liberty is the best OOC win by the MVC so far this season.


You serious clark?

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Liberty is the best OOC win by the MVC so far this season.




xlolx

Forget to take your meds?

[mmiller_34]

Liberty is the best OOC win by the MVC so far this season.

Here are a few that are better:

NDSU over Montana
NDSU over Iowa State
USD over NAU
MSU over Central Arkansas
SDSU over Cal Poly
Ill State over EIU
SIU over EIU
Indiana State over Ball State

[KUlawJack]

You serious clark?

damn it! That is where I was just going!

After watching Liberty, I can think of quite a few wins off the top of my head that are better. Liberty was terrible and would probably place 9th in the MVFC.

Iowa State
Ball State
Montana
Cal Poly
Northern Arizona
SEMO
UCA

[Red & Black]

Have you ever known anyone personally who worked with him? There are two sides to every story. Just ask the Samford head coach about his feelings for Watson.

Just found it an interesting story is all. The guy could be a total dick for all I know.


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[Theee Catrabbit]

let the fun begin next week!!! SIU already in 1st in the conference after beating WIU.

Here's next week!




Top 3 Preseason faves all on the road to open the Valley season. Should be a crazy weekend!

SDSU @ ISU(r)




UNI at Indiana State





Youngstown State at Missouri State





NDSU at Western Illinois





South Dakota at Southern Illinois




SDSU(THough I am nervous)
UNI
Mo St
NDSU
And here's a shocker I'm putting it on the Coyotes. It's not a confident one, but Joe Glenn just might have these bastards ready to play this year.......

[Cocky]

The thing is, though, when is the last time you remember a UNI team just going out and curb stomping someone that they should early like that?D2 Central State in 2012 in a 59-0 win? That same Central State team that took a bus 13 hours to the game.Before that?South Dakota in 09 when UNI was up something like 49-0 at half and Pat Grace threw for 450ish yards in the first half and finished 66-7 in that game?This is something that UNI hasn't done in a while, and it's nice to see.It's one thing to beat teams you should. It's another to completely embarrass them like UNI has the last two weeks.It could all come crashing down, in an epic fashion that only UNI could do, come conference play....it really could. I wouldn't be entirely shocked if that happened, sadly.Also, keep in mind that Northern Colorado took FBS UNLV to the wire in a 13-12 loss, and TTU lost to top 25 Tennessee State just 10-7 one week ago.

TTU offensive output for the year against FCS a opponents has totalled 408 yds in 3 games. 226 yds passing the most against Tn St with 116 yds, the least against UNI with 25 yds. 162 yds rushing the most against UNI with 67 yds, the least against Tn St with 34 yds.

TTU did burn up Kentucky Christian for 344 yds and 176 yds rushing.

[underdawg]

should be a great weekend. Zenner and crew vs. high octane Redbirds. First defense to force 3 3 and outs wins.
Panther D vs. Sycs Parrish
Guins who haven't really played anyone vs MSU who has surprised everyone.
NDSU first real test...on the road. Are they who we think they are?
SIU should have a fairly easy game.


Ha---there is NO easy games in the Valley! We don't meet many 6'6" 290 pound DE's like the Yotes have.

[clenz]

TTU offensive output for the year against FCS a opponents has totalled 408 yds in 3 games. 226 yds passing the most against Tn St with 116 yds, the least against UNI with 25 yds. 162 yds rushing the most against UNI with 67 yds, the least against Tn St with 34 yds.

TTU did burn up Kentucky Christian for 344 yds and 176 yds rushing.

Those numbers are greatly skewed by the ****ing curb stomp that UNI laid on them.

Sans one play late in the third by TTUs starting RB vs UNIs 3rd string defense UNI gave up 8 yards on 41 plays....no I'm not making that up.

UNI also scored 50 of the 116 points TTU has given up this year (without playing a starter in the second half)

UNI put up about 550 of the 1400 yards TTUs defense has given up.

TTU isn't good, but you're greatly underestimating the beat down UNI put on them.

[NDSUSR]

NDSU first real test...on the road. Are they who we think they are?

A real test? 2-3 Western Illinois?

[Houndawg]

The WIU QB missed three wide open TDs against us.

[Yotes]

The Yotes will absolutely give SIU hell on Saturday. It won't be settled until the final minutes, and hopefully it is USD that finds a way to close it out at the end. I'm gonna say that if Saeger doesn't throw any picks for us we will win, his play at QB is going to be the key for a Yote victory.

[MSUDuo]

That happened last year, did it not?

What I'm really saying is just the obvious: if you "only" have ten teams in your conference and eight of them are true top 25 programs in the subdivision, they're all going to beat up on each other because there aren't enough "wins" from the other conference teams.

Record is what gets you into the bracket, regardless who you play.
Big difference between last year and this year. We're talking this year. At 24 teams you're going to get the best in as long as they qualify. 4-4 in the Valley, when the Valley is having a record breaking season, will get more than 2 teams in.

[Houndawg]

The Yotes will absolutely give SIU hell on Saturday. It won't be settled until the final minutes, and hopefully it is USD that finds a way to close it out at the end. I'm gonna say that if Saeger doesn't throw any picks for us we will win, his play at QB is going to be the key for a Yote victory.

It wouldn't surprise me - SIU played piss-poor football in the first half and does not look to me like a play-off contender in mid-season form. Assload of talent but still jelling, imo.

[Houndawg]

Big difference between last year and this year. We're talking this year. At 24 teams you're going to get the best in as long as they qualify. 4-4 in the Valley, when the Valley is having a record breaking season, will get more than 2 teams in.

5-3 for MVC play will get almost anybody in the conference into the play-offs.

[MSUDuo]

5-3 for MVC play will get almost anybody in the conference into the play-offs.
Can 5 teams finish at 5-3?

[KUlawJack]

5-3 for MVC play will get almost anybody in the conference into the play-offs.

As an SDSU fan I would take 5-3 right now easily. We have to travel to NDSU, UNI, ISU-R, and ISU-B. Tough sledding ahead.

[clenz]

SDSU @ ISU(r)
- Does anyone know anything about ISUr yet? I didn't before the year and I still don't. They are real good at beating **** teams, but that's all they've played. Zenner will get, at a bare minimum, 29 carries this week. Is the ISUr offense as good as they looked against the little sisters of the poor, deaf, dumb, and blind...or...are they a mid-pack MVFC team like projected.

Either SDSU by 10 plus or ISUr by 3

UNI at Indiana State
I said it last week for ISUb, and I stand by it this week. I don't think their run game and run defense are good enough this week. Going into the Liberty game ISUb was averaging 2.7 ypc, and that's up to 3.1 by running for 128 yards yesterday...but 73 of those yards came on 2 carries and other than those 2 the Sycs averaged 1.8 ypc....UNI is giving up just 2.8 yards per rush, and that included 2 FBS games and an 84 yard TD run by TTU. Other than that 1 run UNI's run defense has given up just 334 yards on 144 caries (2.3 ypc) in 4 games..

If ISUb can't get the run game going and allows UNI to pin it's ears back on a pass rush...well... UNI has 15 sacks in the last two weeks.

ISUb likely hangs for the first quarter (just like UNC and TTU) as UNI has only outscored opponents 26-14 in the first quarter, but the second quarter could get ugly...UNI 67 Opp 20 in that quarter).

UNI by 17

Youngstown State at Missouri State
YSU looked good against Illinois to start the year, but haven't looked overly impressive (or at least what I think an MVFC team should look like) against the PFL and NEC. YSU has a very good looking run game, but the defense has looked suspect against the pass, even against PFL and NEC teams. MSU has a good passing offense with Harris and has looked more impressive so far this year. Neither team has a great defense.

I don't trust either team in the long run, but I think MSU holds on in this one by less than 7.

NDSU at Western Illinois
WIU's season started taking a turn back to reality last week, and it gets worse this week. NDSU rolls into Macomb and rolls out pretty easily.

NDSU by 21+

South Dakota at Southern Illinois
Is USD actually for real? Can SIU stop USDs rushing attack, which has looked good so far this year? No and Yes are the answers. USDs pass game isn't nearly good enough to open up space for the running backs, especially in Carbondale.

SIU by 17+

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Ha---there is NO easy games in the Valley! We don't meet many 6'6" 290 pound DE's like the Yotes have.


USD runs a 3-4 right? Usually in a 3-4 the ends are pretty stout....just sayin...

[semobison]

A real test? 2-3 Western Illinois?

Don't underestimate the Necks. Their 3 losses, all on the road, were to two big tens and SIU. Overlook anyone in the Valley this year and you may pay for it.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Don't underestimate the Necks. Their 3 losses, all on the road, were to two big tens and SIU. Overlook anyone in the Valley this year and you may pay for it.


True but they have no running game at all. Ave 75 yards/game including games against Valpo and Drake....xeyebrowx

[Sycamore62]

Those numbers are greatly skewed by the ****ing curb stomp that UNI laid on them.

Sans one play late in the third by TTUs starting RB vs UNIs 3rd string defense UNI gave up 8 yards on 41 plays....no I'm not making that up.

UNI also scored 50 of the 116 points TTU has given up this year (without playing a starter in the second half)

UNI put up about 550 of the 1400 yards TTUs defense has given up.

TTU isn't good, but you're greatly underestimating the beat down UNI put on them.

UNI O vs TTU 528
ISUb O vs TTU 543

[semobison]

True but they have no running game at all. Ave 75 yards/game including games against Valpo and Drake....xeyebrowx

That's is not good,... but any team that can hang with Wisconsin for a half has my attention!

[BattinRam]

Point Spreads
SD St. -5 @ IL St.
UNI -8.5 @ IN St.
YSU +4.5 @ MO St.
ND St. -22.5 @ WIU
USD +10.5 @ SIU

[clenz]

UNI O vs TTU 528
ISUb O vs TTU 543
UNI pulled starters at half and threw 2 passes the entire second half.

Had 7 players average over 5 ypc.

That game could have easily been 100 to zero had uni wanted too... I might be being too conservative with that

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[semobison]

True but they have no running game at all. Ave 75 yards/game including games against Valpo and Drake....xeyebrowx

Your stats are wrong. WIU is averaging 141.2 ypg rushing through 5 games. 273 vs Valpo, 218 vs Drake, 84 vs Northwestern, 77 vs SIU and 54 vs Wisky! Anyway..yes, we are the favorites and should beat the Necks if we play well.

[Sycamore62]

UNI pulled starters at half and threw 2 passes the entire second half.

Had 7 players average over 5 ypc.

That game could have easily been 100 to zero had uni wanted too... I might be being too conservative with that

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if not for 2 punt team blunders (the first coming after the TTU punter drops a ball on the 1yard like like Phil Mickelson had hit it with a Sand Wedge) ISUb would have scored infinity and their starters went home for the 4th qtr.

[UNI Pike]

ISUb vs TTU first half stats (per http://www.gosycamores.com/pdf9/2785006.pdf?ATCLID=209637695&SPSID=65228&SPID=7269&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=15200)

ISUb offense

Passing - 15 for 21 (71.4%) for 184 yards - 12.27 ypc
Rushing - 13 carries, 15 net yards - 1.2 ypc

Score 21-0 ISUb


UNI offense (per https://www.nmnathletics.com//pdf9/2859137.pdf?ATCLID=209683090&SPSID=626866&SPID=90703&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=26200)

UNI Offense 1st half

Passing - 14 for 21 (66.7%) for 200 yards - 14.29 ypc
Rushing - 18 carries, 129 net yards - 7.16 ypc

Score 34 -0

BTW - UNI had 2 pass attempts in the second half

Total offense stats are somewhat misleading, given that 193 of the 199 yards of UNI's second half were on the ground (with second string crew all around). Take it for what it is. It will be interesting to see the head to head next week.

[NDSUtk]

Point Spreads
SD St. -5 @ IL St.
UNI -8.5 @ IN St.
YSU +4.5 @ MO St.
ND St. -22.5 @ WIU
USD +10.5 @ SIU

Anyone know if any of the casinos in Vegas do FCS lines? I'm heading out there Thursday for the weekend and in the past, it seems like the Strip Casinos only had FBS games. Would love to be able to put some money down on the FCS games.

[Sycamore62]

ISUb vs TTU first half stats (per http://www.gosycamores.com/pdf9/2785006.pdf?ATCLID=209637695&SPSID=65228&SPID=7269&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=15200)

ISUb offense

Passing - 15 for 21 (71.4%) for 184 yards - 12.27 ypc
Rushing - 13 carries, 15 net yards - 1.2 ypc

Score 21-0 ISUb


UNI offense (per https://www.nmnathletics.com//pdf9/2859137.pdf?ATCLID=209683090&SPSID=626866&SPID=90703&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=26200)

UNI Offense 1st half

Passing - 14 for 21 (66.7%) for 200 yards - 14.29 ypc
Rushing - 18 carries, 129 net yards - 7.16 ypc

Score 34 -0

BTW - UNI had 2 pass attempts in the second half

Total offense stats are somewhat misleading, given that 193 of the 199 yards of UNI's second half were on the ground (with second string crew all around). Take it for what it is. It will be interesting to see the head to head next week.

I will concede that Saturday's result will be influenced very little by the outcome of other loss by TTU

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Your stats are wrong. WIU is averaging 141.2 ypg rushing through 5 games. 273 vs Valpo, 218 vs Drake, 84 vs Northwestern, 77 vs SIU and 54 vs Wisky! Anyway..yes, we are the favorites and should beat the Necks if we play well.


Yep you're right. Like a meathead, I looked at the opposing stats and not WIU's...:(

[semobison]

Yep you're right. Like a meathead, I looked at the opposing stats and not WIU's...:(

The stat that worries me is the Necks are doing a nice job stopping the run at 129 ypg. They held Wisconsin who is averaging 343 rushing ypg to a season low 167 and 4.3 ypc! Our o-line better tighten up the bootstraps!

[Houndawg]

They held Agnew and his backup each to about 70 yds.

[underdawg]

68 McCall, 63 Agnew but WIU gave up 272 yards passing (2 TDs) to SIU QB Mark Iannotti

[Houndawg]

68 McCall, 63 Agnew but WIU gave up 272 yards passing (2 TDs) to SIU QB Mark Iannotti

They sold out to stop the run and we made them pay. The games we'll lose will be the ones where the front seven stop the run without help.

[underdawg]

That's the way it happens most games one way or the other--But if they stop both our run and our passing then they deserve to beat us

[skinny_uncle]

That's the way it happens most games one way or the other--But if they stop both our run and our passing then they deserve to beat us
Pretty much true for any school.

[unigriff]

its CONFERENCE WEEK....anyone else excited!?

[BisonBacker]

Yes because after this last weeks slate of games there wasn't much to get excited about.

[Bison56]

xhurrayxxhurrayx
its CONFERENCE WEEK....anyone else excited!?

[Thumper 76]

its CONFERENCE WEEK....anyone else excited!?

19752

[skinny_uncle]

its CONFERENCE WEEK....anyone else excited!?

Probably, although a couple of us got started last Saturday.

[Kemo]

its CONFERENCE WEEK....anyone else excited!?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO-KZni9pI0

[skinny_uncle]

Since everyone but WIU and USD are ranked in at least one of the major polls, have we peaked?

[centennial]

Since everyone but WIU and USD are ranked in at least one of the major polls, have we peaked?
Only when MVFC is ranked 1-10 on the AGS poll...

[JayJ79]

Probably, although a couple of us got started last Saturday.

maybe we should get in an argument about whether this Saturday will be conference week 1 or conference week 2. ;op

[unigriff]

well at least SIU can feel good about something...this is the longest they've been in first place since like 2010. :) (jk i dont really know).

[skinny_uncle]

well at least SIU can feel good about something...this is the longest they've been in first place since like 2010. :) (jk i dont really know).

We won our conference opener in 2012. The last time UNI did that was 2011. Anything else you want to know?
I also find it interesting that Dale Lennon is 5-1 against UNI since he has been here.

[BisonFan02]

Does the MVFC still not want NDSU? :D

[skinny_uncle]

Does the MVFC still not want NDSU? :D

Who said that???

[BisonFan02]

Who said that???

Really?? Am I the only one who remembers when NDSU and SDSU were in the GWFC courting the old Gateway?

[skinny_uncle]

Really?? Am I the only one who remembers when NDSU and SDSU were in the GWFC courting the old Gateway?

Are you kidding? Wanna see my AARP card? I remember watching Walt Frazier playing college ball in the NIT.

[BisonFan02]

Are you kidding? Wanna see my AARP card? I remember watching Walt Frazier playing college ball in the NIT.

xlolx


“If North Dakota State and South Dakota State moved their universities to central Illinois, we would be delighted,” she said. “But that’s not the reality.”

Name that quote! xlolx ......how bout the eastern Valley schools complaining about travel schedules :D

[skinny_uncle]

xlolx



Name that quote! xlolx ......how bout the eastern Valley schools complaining about travel schedules :D

Was that Miss Patty?

[BisonFan02]

Was that Miss Patty?

Ding ding ding! xlolx

[Twentysix]

Really?? Am I the only one who remembers when NDSU and SDSU were in the GWFC courting the old Gateway?

I remember, oh the coattails they almost passed on.

[underdawg]

Actually I was told our former coach Jerry Kill did not like the idea of the Dakotas joining because he knew they were the only show in town in their respective states and would become powerhouses in the League--and he was right

[Herder]

The same Jerry Kill that dropped North Carolina (who?) to sign a 2-1 with NM State. Ha, ha!

In all honesty, as a MN resident in Jerry's backyard here in the Twin Cities, I like Jerry. He is a good coach, and an honest man. He is certainly all about what's good with college FB.

[penguinpower]

The same Jerry Kill that dropped North Carolina (who?) to sign a 2-1 with NM State. Ha, ha!

In all honesty, as a MN resident in Jerry's backyard here in the Twin Cities, I like Jerry. He is a good coach, and an honest man. He is certainly all about what's good with college FB.

I agree. And he is a very good coach.

[carrcar]

Does the MVFC still not want NDSU? :D
Het, I wanted them for all sports.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Het, I wanted them for all sports.

Haven't you heard? NDSU is too small potatoes for the MVC. At least that's what the UNI people seem to think.

[clenz]

Haven't you heard? NDSU is too small potatoes for the MVC. At least that's what the UNI people seem to think.
You clearly haven't actually comprehended anything that was ever said on it

[NoDak 4 Ever]

You clearly haven't actually comprehended anything that was ever said on it

That's pretty much the readers digest version.

and by UNI posters, I pretty much meant you. I was just trying to be delicate.

[clenz]

That's pretty much the readers digest version.

and by UNI posters, I pretty much meant you. I was just trying to be delicate.
Again...if that's what you took from it then you're a moron.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Again...if that's what you took from it then you're a moron.

Damn kid, Don't be so testy.

[BisonFan02]

NDSU will never join the MVC....not a private school and football drives the athletic department. As much as I don't want to, any conference change will be either all sports to FBS level conference (MAC, MWC, Sun Belch) or a football only invite FBS (same list). Also, why on earth would you want to join the MVC anyway? They could very well be on their last legs in the near future barring some MAJOR additions.

[marenlee]

Loyola!!!

[NoDak 4 Ever]

NDSU will never join the MVC....not a private school and football drives the athletic department. As much as I don't want to, any conference change will be either all sports to FBS level conference (MAC, MWC, Sun Belch) or a football only invite FBS (same list). Also, why on earth would you want to join the MVC anyway? They could very well be on their last legs in the near future barring some MAJOR additions.

Easier for me to travel to :)

[underdawg]

The same Jerry Kill that dropped North Carolina (who?) to sign a 2-1 with NM State. Ha, ha!

In all honesty, as a MN resident in Jerry's backyard here in the Twin Cities, I like Jerry. He is a good coach, and an honest man. He is certainly all about what's good with college FB.

Who the hell said he was a bad coach? it's just that he was a smart coach too.

[unigriff]

I think I was more scared of Jerry than those teams from 2003-2009 he coached at SIU. Dreaded playing SIU. All those games were classics though.

[skinny_uncle]

NDSU will never join the MVC....not a private school and football drives the athletic department. As much as I don't want to, any conference change will be either all sports to FBS level conference (MAC, MWC, Sun Belch) or a football only invite FBS (same list). Also, why on earth would you want to join the MVC anyway? They could very well be on their last legs in the near future barring some MAJOR additions.
Half the MVC schools are state schools, so I am not sure I understand the private school statement.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Half the MVC schools are state schools, so I am not sure I understand the private school statement.

That seems to be the trend. Not sure why

[BisonFan02]

Half the MVC schools are state schools, so I am not sure I understand the private school statement.

Is the MVC going to add a football first/public university anytime soon? All hell would break loose amongst a lot of the MVC ranks if that happened.

[skinny_uncle]

Is the MVC going to add a football first/public university anytime soon? All hell would break loose amongst a lot of the MVC ranks if that happened.

The MVC is primarily a basketball conference. I doubt there is much interest in adding an eleventh team. With 10 teams, we play everyone home and home which comes to 18 games. That leaves room for a reasonable non-con schedule. Loyola was the last addition and that came on the heels of Creighton leaving. I don't foresee any plans for expanding beyond the 10 team conference.

[BisonFan02]

The MVC is primarily a basketball conference. I doubt there is much interest in adding an eleventh team. With 10 teams, we play everyone home and home which comes to 18 games. That leaves room for a reasonable non-con schedule. Loyola was the last addition and that came on the heels of Creighton leaving. I don't foresee any plans for expanding beyond the 10 team conference.

When Wichita St leaves...is the basketball even top tier anymore?

[unigriff]

When Wichita St leaves...is the basketball even top tier anymore?

Not to go from a football thread to basketball buuutttt to answer your question - As long as UNI can get back to relevance. This is UNIs big chance this season with everyone returning and adding some good recruits and a Virginia transfer. If they don't do some damage this year, it will probably never happen.

Remember outside of WSUs last 3 or so seasons and their Sweet 16 run in what 2006?, they really haven't been a basketball powerhouse. Baseball is another story.

[BisonBacker]

At one point I was all for NDSU if they had a chance at membership to be in the MVC. Now not so much anymore. I'd rather see NDSU administration make a push for whatever the next tier is going to look like when the change everyone's waiting for to happen. As has already been pointed out the MVC is a Basketball conference and NDSU is a football school first.

[Sycamore51]

When Wichita St leaves...is the basketball even top tier anymore?
The MVC will be fine without Wichita State if they ever left. The MVC didn't tank when Oklahoma State, Memphis, Louisville, Cinci, Tulsa, or Creighton left, so I don't believe it will ever become a third tier league.

[achrist70]

As a public state school who doesn't play football to whom is Wichita State exactly attractive to? Almost all of the conference realignment has been football driven except for the new "Big East" which I don't see the Shockers getting an invite to.

[Cocky]

As a public state school who doesn't play football to whom is Wichita State exactly attractive to? Almost all of the conference realignment has been football driven except for the new "Big East" which I don't see the Shockers getting an invite to.
Sunbelt or WAC

[BisonBacker]

The MVC will be fine without Wichita State if they ever left. The MVC didn't tank when Oklahoma State, Memphis, Louisville, Cinci, Tulsa, or Creighton left, so I don't believe it will ever become a third tier league.

Ahhh I disagree. Wichita State IS the MVC for basketball.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Sunbelt or WAC

If the Texas/Oklahoma split ever happens, Big 12 will probably turn into more of a basketball conference and they'd fit in perfect there.

[Sycamore62]

Ahhh I disagree. Wichita State IS the MVC for basketball.

but it was Creighton (i know they are gone)
then it was missouri state
then it was southern
then it was whoever
then it was ISUb
then it was someone else

The MVC will be fine

I thought I read somewhere that Wichita City College was starting a football team (club) back up

[REALBird]

Wichita only has one real destination for it's basketball program outside of the MVC, and that's the A-10. Aside from that, never underestimate the power of a benefactor. The Koch Brothers invest heavily in WSU, so if they ever had a desire to re-establish their FB program, C-USA or maybe the Mountain West could be viable long term options.

[Sycamore62]

Wichita only has one real destination for it's basketball program outside of the MVC, and that's the A-10. Aside from that, never underestimate the power of a benefactor. The Koch Brothers invest heavily in WSU, so if they ever had a desire to re-establish their FB program, C-USA or maybe the Mountain West could be viable long term options.

They could also be waiting to see where things end up.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Sunbelt or WAC

Both of these are huge steps down for basketball


Wichita only has one real destination for it's basketball program outside of the MVC, and that's the A-10. Aside from that, never underestimate the power of a benefactor. The Koch Brothers invest heavily in WSU, so if they ever had a desire to re-establish their FB program, C-USA or maybe the Mountain West could be viable long term options.

I am not sure C-USA is a step up in basketball anymore. That would be a lateral move in my opinion. The MWC might be a good option though.


That seems to be the trend. Not sure why

It was only the trend for this last departure/addition. They lost a private school so they wanted to add one.

[Houndawg]

I think I was more scared of Jerry than those teams from 2003-2009 he coached at SIU. Dreaded playing SIU. All those games were classics though.

When I worked at the university one of his players was a student worker of mine and I asked him what Coach Kill was like. His answer: "Jerry Kill don't play."

[MSUDuo]

5-3. That is all we need. 5-3.


I know we've had one game in conference but here goes my predictions


NDSU: 7-1
UNI: 7-1
SIU: 6-2
MSU: 5-3
YSU: 5-3
SDSU: 5-3


ISUR: 3-5
WIU: 1-7
USD: 1-7
ISUB: 0-8


The last 2 years we have had 5 teams finish 5-3 or better in conference. If that happens again, we will have 6 teams in the playoffs. I think that that is the only way we get 6. I don't think we will get 7. To get 7, ISUR would have to beat UNI and SIU to get to 5-3 and keep the other teams at 5-3 as well.

[MSUDuo]

The MVC will be fine without Wichita State if they ever left. The MVC didn't tank when Oklahoma State, Memphis, Louisville, Cinci, Tulsa, or Creighton left, so I don't believe it will ever become a third tier league.

No, no we won't. Sports were not the same when the Valley had those teams in it. The Valley has been taking a hit for a while now. If WSU leaves and no one else steps up before then, the Valley will join the likes of the Sun Belt and CAA. Which is why I am hoping MSU makes their move before WSU gets the chance.

[Twentysix]

That is not how we write or articulate sports scores my friend. xsmhx

That's how i write them when the score happend at that moment, it deliniates which number changed in the last second by listing it first :p.

[Twentysix]

Liberty is the best OOC win by the MVC so far this season.


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[KUlawJack]

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That statement is more ridiculous each time I read it!

[BisonBacker]

Good Lord how did I miss that whopper. Now that is funny. Pretty much relinquishes him to the curb when it comes to intelligent conversation xlolx

[Thumper 76]

5-3. That is all we need. 5-3.


I know we've had one game in conference but here goes my predictions


NDSU: 7-1
UNI: 7-1
SIU: 6-2
MSU: 5-3
YSU: 5-3
SDSU: 5-3


ISUR: 3-5
WIU: 1-7
USD: 1-7
ISUB: 0-8


The last 2 years we have had 5 teams finish 5-3 or better in conference. If that happens again, we will have 6 teams in the playoffs. I think that that is the only way we get 6. I don't think we will get 7. To get 7, ISUR would have to beat UNI and SIU to get to 5-3 and keep the other teams at 5-3 as well.

I'll go on record and say if SDSU goes 5-3 they don't make the playoffs with the DIII on their schedule. They would essentially be 7-4 on the year and I doubt they get in with that.

[clenz]

I'll go on record and say if SDSU goes 5-3 they don't make the playoffs with the DIII on their schedule. They would essentially be 7-4 on the year and I doubt they get in with that.
That's pretty accurate. Thankfully for sdsu they miss siu though

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[penguinpower]

That's pretty accurate. Thankfully for sdsu they miss siu though

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YSU is yet to beat SDSU under coach Wolford. I think YSU is due.

[MSUDuo]

I'll go on record and say if SDSU goes 5-3 they don't make the playoffs with the DIII on their schedule. They would essentially be 7-4 on the year and I doubt they get in with that.
Good catch. Didn't realize they had played a D3.

[Thumper 76]

That's pretty accurate. Thankfully for sdsu they miss siu though

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That's why I hate the Oshkosh game so much. Two losses in the MVFC when you play at NDSU and at UNI is a small margin of error.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

YSU is yet to beat SDSU under coach Wolford. I think YSU is due.


Some teams have another's number.

[clenz]

Some teams have another's number.
UNI and YSU

Or

SIU UNI

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