FCS SOS according to Massey

[centennial]

Thought it would be interesting to look at the numbers. I formatted it for easy reading.


Team
SoS

Team
SoS


South DakotaMissouri Valley
1

Delaware StMid-Eastern AC
62


UC DavisBig Sky
2

Incarnate WordFCS Indep
63


S Dakota StMissouri Valley
3

GramblingSouthwestern AC
64


Jacksonville StOH Valley
4

Morgan StMid-Eastern AC
65


Weber StBig Sky
5

Stony BrookColonial
66


SF AustinSouthland
6

E WashingtonBig Sky
67


Portland StBig Sky
7

VMIBig South
68


SamfordSouthern
8

FordhamPatriot League
69


Idaho StBig Sky
9

Alabama A&MSouthwestern AC
70


Cent ArkansasSouthland
10

Albany NYColonial
71


Northern IowaMissouri Valley
11

Holy CrossPatriot League
72


William & MaryColonial
12

DrakePioneer
73


LibertyBig South
13

E KentuckyOH Valley
74


WoffordSouthern
14

FurmanSouthern
75


ElonSouthern
15

TowsonColonial
76


E IllinoisOH Valley
16

GeorgetownPatriot League
77


DelawareColonial
17

MaineColonial
78


Indiana StMissouri Valley
18

Jackson StSouthwestern AC
79


NC CentralMid-Eastern AC
19

Monmouth NJFCS Indep
80


N Dakota StMissouri Valley
20

Sacred HeartNortheast
81


VillanovaColonial
21

Florida A&MMid-Eastern AC
82


PresbyterianBig South
22

BucknellPatriot League
83


James MadisonColonial
23

CS SacramentoBig Sky
84


New HampshireColonial
24

CampbellPioneer
85


North DakotaBig Sky
25

WagnerNortheast
86


TN MartinOH Valley
26

TX SouthernSouthwestern AC
87


Northern ArizonaBig Sky
27

SE LouisianaSouthland
88


Youngstown StMissouri Valley
28

NC A&TMid-Eastern AC
89


ColgatePatriot League
29

Houston BapFCS Indep
90


Southern UnivSouthwestern AC
30

San DiegoPioneer
90


Montana StBig Sky
31

DavidsonPioneer
90


Savannah StMid-Eastern AC
32

Illinois StMissouri Valley
90


Southern UtahBig Sky
33

YaleIvy League
90


Austin PeayOH Valley
34

PennIvy League
90


DuquesneNortheast
35

LehighPatriot League
90


JacksonvillePioneer
36

CornellIvy League
90


Central ConnNortheast
37

MS Valley StSouthwestern AC
90


MontanaBig Sky
38

PrincetonIvy League
90


Alabama StSouthwestern AC
39

LafayettePatriot League
90


HowardMid-Eastern AC
40

ButlerPioneer
90


ChattanoogaSouthern
41

DaytonPioneer
90


CitadelSouthern
42

BrownIvy League
90


W CarolinaSouthern
43

Rhode IslandColonial
90


HamptonMid-Eastern AC
44

N ColoradoBig Sky
90


Northwestern LASouthland
45

HarvardIvy League
90


Ark Pine BluffSouthwestern AC
46

DartmouthIvy League
90


Nicholls StSouthland
47

McNeese StSouthland
90


Norfolk StMid-Eastern AC
48

ColumbiaIvy League
90


Morehead StPioneer
49

S IllinoisMissouri Valley
110


Gardner WebbBig South
50

Prairie ViewSouthwestern AC
111


St Francis PANortheast
51

MercerPioneer
112


Cal Poly SLOBig Sky
52

S Carolina StMid-Eastern AC
113


ValparaisoPioneer
53

LamarSouthland
114


BryantNortheast
54

CharlotteFCS Indep
115


Robert MorrisNortheast
55

RichmondColonial
116


Sam Houston StSouthland
56

Tennessee TechOH Valley
117


Coastal CarBig South
57

W IllinoisMissouri Valley
118


MaristPioneer
58

SE Missouri StOH Valley
119


Abilene ChrFCS Indep
59

Murray StOH Valley
120


Bethune-CookmanMid-Eastern AC
60

Alcorn StSouthwestern AC
121


Missouri StMissouri Valley
61

Charleston SoBig South
122





Tennessee StOH Valley
123





StetsonPioneer
124

[BEAR]

Southland SOS= 60.

Middle of the pack.

( 6,10, 45,47, 56 59,63,88,90,90,114 )

[PAllen]

VMI is in the Southern not the Big South. I wonder what else he's failed to update.

[Catatonic]

VMI is in the Southern not the Big South. I wonder what else he's failed to update.

ACU is in the Southland and no longer an independent.

[OL FU]

I am more than a little confused. I assume this is after game 1?

[centennial]

I am more than a little confused. I assume this is after game 1?
Pre Season + 1st game. Yes.

[darell1976]

5 BSC in the top 25, tough way to start the year.

[centennial]

5 BSC in the top 25, tough way to start the year.
UC Davis 2
Weber St 5
Portland St 7
Idaho St 9
North Dakota 25
Weaker teams having more difficult schedules?

[darell1976]

UC Davis 2
Weber St 5
Portland St 7
Idaho St 9
North Dakota 25
Weaker teams having more difficult schedules?


Of course money has a lot to with that.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

UC Davis 2
Weber St 5
Portland St 7
Idaho St 9
North Dakota 25
Weaker teams having more difficult schedules?


It's about 1/2 conference 1/2 FBS game. UNI has 2 FBS games, SDSU played Missouri, USD played Oregon and they all are in the MVFC so naturally they will be higher. If you had a FBS team, you were probably in the top vs those that didn't.

NDSU has the luxury of not having itself on the schedule.

[centennial]

It's about 1/2 conference 1/2 FBS game. UNI has 2 FBS games, SDSU played Missouri, USD played Oregon and they all are in the MVFC so naturally they will be higher. If you had a FBS team, you were probably in the top vs those that didn't.

NDSU has the luxury of not having itself on the schedule.
Here are the SoS for AGS top 15




1
North Dakota State Bison
2056
20


2
Eastern Washington Eagles
1982
67


3
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
1842
88


4
Northern Iowa Panthers
1671
11


5
Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
1560
57


6
New Hampshire Wildcats
1473
24


7
Villanova Wildcats
1432
21


8
Montana Grizzlies
1388
31


9T
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1254
36


9T
Fordham Rams
1254
69


11
McNeese State Cowboys
1209
90


12
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1170
3


13
Richmond Spiders
927
116


14
Furman Paladins
889
75


15
Chattanooga Mocs
859 41







I bolded the ones above 50th in FCS for SoS

[Go Green]

Massey thinks that every Ivy team has the same SOS?

xconfusedx

[centennial]

Massey thinks that every Ivy team has the same SOS?

xconfusedx
They are all slightly different but his algorithm clubs everyone within a certain range as a tie.

[Go Green]

They are all slightly different but his algorithm clubs everyone within a certain range as a tie.

Still find that hard to swallow.

Just as one of any examples, just compare Yale (Colgate, Lehigh, Army) with Princeton (Colgate, San Diego, Davidson).

In any event, not worth getting worked up over until midseason or so...

[thebootfitter]

In any event, not worth getting worked up over until midseason or so...
Exactly. This early in the season, you can't put much stock in the computer ratings, as there is not enough data to make them predictive enough. Will be fun to see how this shifts as conference games start getting under way.

[clenz]

UC Davis 2
Weber St 5
Portland St 7
Idaho St 9
North Dakota 25
Weaker teams having more difficult schedules?
They don't get to pad their schedules by playing themselves...

[BEAR]

Central Arkansas #10 SOS???? Really? I didn't think Texas Tech was that much better than UCA up to this point. xlolx

[Go...gate]

Colgate way ahead of the rest of the Patriot and Ivy in schedule strength.

[GoAgs72]

UC Davis at #2 is one reason why I think the team will be better this year but with a worse record. The AD should be questioned about scheduling Stanford and Colorado State in the same year but only an 11 game schedule. If you choose FBS opponents why not UNLV, Idaho or New Mexico State?

[Skyhawk71]

#26 in strength of schedule, will be the only #26 the Skyhawks see this season.............xbangx

[BEAR]

#26 in strength of schedule, will be the only #26 the Skyhawks see this season.............xbangx

Nope. You'll see him.

http://www.ucasports.com/images/2014/8/12/headshot_2_ene_prince_mug_2014.jpg #26 Prince Ene Position: DB
Height: 5-10
Weight: 190
Class: Sophomore
Hometown: Houston, Texas

High School: Two-Star recruit by both rivals.com and scout.com...ranked the No. 184 defensive back nationally by scout.com...had 33 total tackles, five passes broken up, and one fumble recovery during the 2011 season.

You can see more of his highlights here as he frustrated the Texas Tech running and passing game.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFhfyPWtukE:

[PAllen]

Pre Season + 1st game. Yes.

And right there is the issue with all of these early season "scientific rankings". How do you determine a strength of schedule before any games have been played? You make a bunch of assumptions which you then carry through the season. As I've said many times, if you allow me to make one assumption unchallenged, I can prove to you that you are on Mars.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

And right there is the issue with all of these early season "scientific rankings". How do you determine a strength of schedule before any games have been played? You make a bunch of assumptions which you then carry through the season. As I've said many times, if you allow me to make one assumption unchallenged, I can prove to you that you are on Mars.

It's not terribly hard. Ivy/Patriot/SWAC/MEAC/Pioneer are weak. BSC/MVFC/CAA are strong. Southland/Big South/OVC are in the middle.

[AmsterBison]

It's not terribly hard. Ivy/Patriot/SWAC/MEAC/Pioneer are weak. BSC/MVFC/CAA are strong. Southland/Big South/OVC are in the middle.

I prefer to classify conferences by scientifically assigning them to an analogous sitcom and then assigning each team to a character in the conference's given show. It's foolproof as far as any of you know.

For example, the CAA is IT'S ALWAYS SUNNY IN PHILADELPHIA. Villanova is Charlie because they're the wildcard; Rhode Island is Rickety Cricket; etc.

Sure, some shows are stronger than others but one character in a weak show can be stronger than another character on a stronger show. And that's where science needs to take over.

[gotts]

I prefer to classify conferences by scientifically assigning them to an analogous sitcom and then assigning each team to a character in the conference's given show. It's foolproof as far as any of you know.

For example, the CAA is IT'S ALWAYS SUNNY IN PHILADELPHIA. Villanova is Charlie because they're the wildcard; Rhode Island is Rickety Cricket; etc.

Sure, some shows are stronger than others but one character in a weak show can be stronger than another character on a stronger show. And that's where science needs to take over.


I like where this is headed.

[walliver]

And right there is the issue with all of these early season "scientific rankings". How do you determine a strength of schedule before any games have been played? You make a bunch of assumptions which you then carry through the season. As I've said many times, if you allow me to make one assumption unchallenged, I can prove to you that you are on Mars.

SOS is the Achilles' Heel of all computer rankings.
If you have a weak team in your conference, the other teams' SOS and eventual rankings are pulled down. The presence of a few weak conference mates does not in any way lessen the quality of the other teams, but the computer formulae have no way of assessing that.

If the Seattle Seahawks played an all PFL schedule, they would not appear high in the computer rankings, and back in the 16-team playoff era probably wouldn't make the play-offs. That doesn't change the fact that the Seattle Seahawks are very very much better than any college football team.

[centennial]

SOS is the Achilles' Heel of all computer rankings.
If you have a weak team in your conference, the other teams' SOS and eventual rankings are pulled down. The presence of a few weak conference mates does not in any way lessen the quality of the other teams, but the computer formulae have no way of assessing that.

If the Seattle Seahawks played an all PFL schedule, they would not appear high in the computer rankings, and back in the 16-team playoff era probably wouldn't make the play-offs. That doesn't change the fact that the Seattle Seahawks are very very much better than any college football team.
The Seattle Seahawks would beat every team 100-0 including the one FBS team and OOC, and easily win the FCS championship. They would easily be top 5 in the country. Would they deserve to be no.1- yes, but its not as bad as you are making it out to be. Every conference has a few weak teams- this includes the CAA, MVFC, MWC, MAC, B10 however, they are usually weak in comparison to the conference. For example South Dakota(7th, 8th MVFC) could win a few lower conferences. That would not be the case for PFL dungeon dweller.
In the end, schedule good teams and BEAT them. SoS means nothing without it beating the teams. For example in basketball there a few conferences with really high SoS (one is 28th out of 32), since they cannot beat their OOC they are ranked low.

[OhioHen]

In the end, schedule good teams and BEAT them. SoS means nothing without it beating the teams.

Strength of VICTORIES is much more meaningful than strength of schedule. Who did you beat? And who did those teams you beat beat?

Delaware's strength of schedule this year will be boosted because Pitt was on the schedule (to say the Hens "played" Pitt on Saturday is pushing the envelope, IMO). SoS is improved by losing 62-0 in this case, proving how worthless the concept is.

[PAllen]

Strength of VICTORIES is much more meaningful than strength of schedule. Who did you beat? And who did those teams you beat beat?

Delaware's strength of schedule this year will be boosted because Pitt was on the schedule (to say the Hens "played" Pitt on Saturday is pushing the envelope, IMO). SoS is improved by losing 62-0 in this case, proving how worthless the concept is.

Exactly.

[citdog]

Exactly.

EASY to say when your team plays NOBODY.

[tnbison]

NDSU has the luxury of not having itself on the schedule.

Love this.

[whoanellie]

VMI is in the Southern not the Big South. I wonder what else he's failed to update. As Elon is not in SoCon but CAA update your system Massey

[Big Dawg]

FAMU's schedule is tough...we open the season with Jackson State(lost on a Hail Mary), Miami, 6th ranked Coastal Carolina, 14th ranked Tennessee State...then NCA&T, South Carolina State, and Bethune Cookman(who just beat FIU again) are lurking later in the season...I expect to BCU and SCSU to be ranked when we face them as well...maybe even A&T(especially if they knock off Coastal this weekend)

[LUHawker]

Colgate way ahead of the rest of the Patriot and Ivy in schedule strength.

Simply because of its game against FBS Ball St. In fact, the entire SOS is highly skewed by the impact of FBS games.