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Gangtackle11

September 1st, 2014, 12:58 PM

Any chatter about this early FCS matchup of top 20 teams?

RichH2

September 1st, 2014, 01:12 PM

A shoot out. Last man standing wins.

Fordham

September 1st, 2014, 01:55 PM

My natural pessimism is kicking in. Villanova looked tremendous v 'Cuse IMO and we looked less than sharp. Going to be tough for us. Hoping to make it down after a little youth soccer coaching in the am.

danefan

September 1st, 2014, 02:01 PM

Should be a good game. Is it on TV? Or streamingb?

Gangtackle11

September 1st, 2014, 02:14 PM

Last season's loss to Fordham really put the 'Cats in a hole at 0-2. Wound up 6-5 in a season that was expecting a playoff appearance. They played a very good game vs. FBS opponent ' Cuse. A game they should have won. Will they be down after the loss or use it as a yard stick that they should whoop up on FCS opponents?
This will be a telling game for the squad on the Main Line!

centennial

September 1st, 2014, 02:22 PM

Nova wins easily imo

BisonFan02

September 1st, 2014, 02:26 PM

superman7515

September 1st, 2014, 02:29 PM

RichH2

September 1st, 2014, 02:33 PM

Rams missing LB Hodge,a legit A-A. SFU not nearly on same level as Nova. Useless for purposes of comparison.

superman7515

September 1st, 2014, 02:40 PM

Yeah, the loss of Stephen Hodge on the defense (IMO) will be big for allowing the 'Nova offense some more room to roam.

Go Lehigh TU Owl

September 1st, 2014, 03:28 PM

I thought Villanova looked awesome on Friday night. Their DL gave the 'Cuse OL fits all night. That really limited the Orange's ability to assert their will. Fordham seems a little a shaky along the OL and Patriot League Defensive POY Hodge is out.

Nebrich, who himself is gimpy, needs to play lights out to win on the road. The Rams have a pretty difficult schedule this year. They have their work cut out to reach double digit wins imo....

Fordham

September 1st, 2014, 06:06 PM

Fordham D versus Villanova O is going to be the story. Haven't checked out Fordham's first game yet too much, but was the points St. Francis put up "legit" or is there a question mark there (20 points in the 4th quarter)?

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/gamecast?gameId=400558475&version=mobile&teamId=2230&src=desktop
Go to 'feed' and you'll see they had 3 pts heading into 4th Q

BisonFan02

September 1st, 2014, 06:52 PM

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/gamecast?gameId=400558475&version=mobile&teamId=2230&src=desktop
Go to 'feed' and you'll see they had 3 pts heading into 4th Q

No, I saw that...was more curious if the 20 was completely garbage time or if Fordham was still running 1st team.

CHIP72

September 1st, 2014, 07:24 PM

I think (and hope) the Wildcats get payback for last year's surprise loss to the Rams.

Pard4Life

September 1st, 2014, 07:54 PM

Need to dig some more, but should a really close game. Interesting to see how the frosh phenom adjusts to Nova.

Red & Black

September 1st, 2014, 08:03 PM

I've got Nova in this one.

Fordham

September 1st, 2014, 08:50 PM

No, I saw that...was more curious if the 20 was completely garbage time or if Fordham was still running 1st team.
It was 38-3 heading into the 4th, so this game was done. I took off soon after that honestly. I think it at the end of the day I thin St Francis is very bad, so it can't tell you much. We weren't pressed or threatened at any point. It's really going to come down to how much we didn't have to show combined with getting a few players back who didn't play (All-American Ajala, DE Adeyeye, etc) and if that's enough to deal with 'Nova

bonarae

September 1st, 2014, 10:06 PM

Villanova by around 10-14. Fordham D is a question mark...

MR. CHICKEN

September 2nd, 2014, 08:24 AM

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heath

September 2nd, 2014, 09:44 AM

Villanova by around 10-14. Fordham D is a question mark...
This is what I was thinking unless Nova turns it over 5 times like last season.

DoubleH

September 2nd, 2014, 04:25 PM

I've got 'Nova winning, but if Nebrich gets hot, the Rams could pull off one of those 48-45 type wins. I don't think Fordham will be able to keep 'Nova under, say, 30, so it'll come down to how many points they can score against a 'Nova D that looked pretty damn good against Syracuse.

As a side-note, you 'Nova fans have to be sick to your stomachs after that loss. Syracuse had no business winning the game.

Fordhamanhattan

September 2nd, 2014, 04:34 PM

Fordham has played Nova tough the last two outings. The two now compete for talent and Fordham is winning some of those battles, e.g., Chase Edmonds, the Rams stellar Freshman running back. I expect a hard fought fray with a break or two deciding the contest similar to the two touchdowns called back against Fordham on phony penalties like in the Rams' last trip to the Main Line.

citdog

September 2nd, 2014, 04:51 PM

I f 'nova doesn't turn the ball over 5 times, which is what it took for the GREATEST fordham team in 50 years to beat them last year, NOVA ROLLS.

Fordhamanhattan

September 2nd, 2014, 05:01 PM

It takes two to make a turnover or a civil war for that matter and there is always a winner and a loser.

superman7515

September 2nd, 2014, 05:05 PM

It's going to be our game of the week on the CAA show, we have a former player and well known individual from Fordham coming on to give us some insight into the game as well as one of our own from 'Nova. Looking forward to it, should be a great marquee game for early season FCS.

Just hyping this one last time for you CAA fans; this week I have Kevin Cavooris, Assistant Director of Athletics Compliance for the Saint Francis Red Flash (a Villanova grad and former student manager for the Wildcat football team) coming on along with James "Jim" McHugh, former Fordham Rams player and highly respected alum. They'll be dissecting the Fordham @ Villanova matchup and giving some insights & predictions for you fine folks.

FordhamFan

September 2nd, 2014, 08:53 PM

I f 'nova doesn't turn the ball over 5 times, which is what it took for the GREATEST fordham team in 50 years to beat them last year, NOVA ROLLS.

This is dumb.

Game is a complete toss up. Don't know how anybody would be shocked if it went either way. Both teams are very good. Nova definitely has a slight edge being home and coming off that game against Cuse, but Fordham's offense is certainly the more talented offensive unit, it just has no room for err as opposed to a game against St. Francis. Either of these teams could run the other out of the building if one doesn't show up. They're both that talented. Don't know why anybody would be very confident in either way.

citdog

September 2nd, 2014, 08:55 PM

FordhamFan

September 2nd, 2014, 09:17 PM

It took 'Nova handing you the ball 5 times for you to win last year. It's dumb to think that's NOT why you won. Don't believe they will do so this year so you lose.

Oh there's no doubt that was huge, but last year's game really doesn't mean much come Saturday? I guess you just see Nova as a far better team and thus only turnovers and the like would lead them to lose this game...I just think the teams are more evenly matched. Both teams are very good this year and Saturday's game will be a big statement.

citdog

September 2nd, 2014, 09:22 PM

Oh there's no doubt that was huge, but last year's game really doesn't mean much come Saturday? I guess you just see Nova as a far better team and thus only turnovers and the like would lead them to lose this game...I just think the teams are more evenly matched. Both teams are very good this year and Saturday's game will be a big statement.

It's STILL a CAA Team vs one from an inferior conference. I'll take the CAA.

Lehigh'98

September 2nd, 2014, 10:14 PM

It's STILL a CAA Team vs one from an inferior conference. I'll take the CAA.

You must be confused, Fordham is Patriot League, not Southern Conf

citdog

September 2nd, 2014, 10:18 PM

You must be confused, Fordham is Patriot League, not Southern Conf

it's the patsy league and it's not even close.

Sader87

September 2nd, 2014, 11:19 PM

It'll be relatively close, Fordham has too much this year for it not to be....but I'm going with the home team, something in the order of 38-28.

Go Lehigh TU Owl

September 2nd, 2014, 11:23 PM

Fordham's skill guys are significantly better than Syracuse's. Villanova's defense will definitely be tested more than they were on Friday night imo. Still, Fordham's OL will be pushed against what looked like a very good Wildcat DL.

The question is if Fordham's defense can hold up for 60 minutes imo. Robertson is an absolute nightmare at QB. His knack for extending plays will test the Rams ability to remain true to their assignments....

2ram

September 3rd, 2014, 12:16 AM

what was citdog's prediction was last year?

citdog

September 3rd, 2014, 12:18 AM

what was citdog's prediction was last year?

pain

2ram

September 3rd, 2014, 12:19 AM

pain

well I bet it did hurt.

it's the patsy league and it's not even close.

especially not since you've added VMI.

citdog

September 3rd, 2014, 12:33 AM

well I bet it did hurt.

especially not since you've added VMI.

VMI is a 1934 member of the SoCon. GLAD to have them back. At least they aren't a div iii team like georgetown.

Fordham

September 3rd, 2014, 12:41 AM

If Nebrich has his legs, this can be a game. If he's hobbled, we're in trouble

Go Lehigh TU Owl

September 3rd, 2014, 12:42 AM

VMI is a 1934 member of the SoCon. GLAD to have them back. At least they aren't a div iii team like georgetown.

VMI not having a winning season since 1981 is an absurd stat. No matter how you look at it, the Keydets are one of the least successful programs in the history of college football. All-time VMI is 196 games under .500. Mighty Temple is only 130.....

citdog

September 3rd, 2014, 12:47 AM

VMI not having a winning season since 1981 is an absurd stat. No matter how you look at it, the Keydets are one of the least successful programs in the history of college football. All-time VMI is 196 games under .500. Mighty Temple is only 130.....

Who did they play? That's the question you should be asking.

Go Lehigh TU Owl

September 3rd, 2014, 12:54 AM

Who did they play? That's the question you should be asking.

They were in the SoCon for 22 of those years and the Big South for 10. They couldn't get over the hump in either conference. Even Kansas State, with about 35 scholarships, posted a winning record during the 80's in the Big 8.

There's a fundamental problem within the institution when you have that prolonged run of futility....

Go...gate

September 3rd, 2014, 12:59 AM

Fordham has four scholarship classes now, correct?

Sader87

September 3rd, 2014, 01:05 AM

Yup....

citdog

September 3rd, 2014, 01:05 AM

They were in the SoCon for 22 of those years and the Big South for 10. They couldn't get over the hump in either conference. Even Kansas State, with about 35 scholarships, posted a winning record during the 80's in the Big 8.

There's a fundamental problem within the institution when you have that prolonged run of futility....

The answer to that question is The Citadel, Marshall, East Carolina, Appy, Ga So, Furman, ETSU et al. Pretty tough bunch to win against. What's your schools excuse?

Sader87

September 3rd, 2014, 01:10 AM

citdog

September 3rd, 2014, 01:16 AM

The Southern Conference is a nice league and has a rich history......that being said, it was never a murderer's row of teams.....nice, solid 1-AA teams from top to bottom.....but both Holy Cross and Colgate played at a much higher level than most of those schools for much of the 20th Century. Just sayin.....

Coulda been in the Big East but settled for the patsy league. Sad. So VERY SAD.

List of the former members of the Southern Conference

Auburn University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn_University)
Auburn, Alabama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn,_Alabama)
1856
Tigers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn_Tigers)
1921
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

College of Charleston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Charleston)
Charleston, South Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleston,_South_Carolina)
1770
Cougars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Charleston_Cougars)
1998
2013
Colonial Athletic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_Athletic_Association)

Clemson University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemson_University)
Clemson, South Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemson,_South_Carolina)
1889
Tigers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemson_Tigers)
1921
1953
Atlantic Coast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference)

Duke University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_University)
Durham, North Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durham,_North_Carolina)
1838
Blue Devils (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Blue_Devils)
1928
1953
Atlantic Coast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference)

East Carolina University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Carolina_University)
Greenville, North Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenville,_North_Carolina)
1907
Pirates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Carolina_Pirates)
1964
1976
The American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Athletic_Conference)

Elon University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_University)
Elon, North Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon,_North_Carolina)
1889
Phoenix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Phoenix)
2003
2014
Colonial Athletic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_Athletic_Association)

University of Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Florida)
Gainesville, Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gainesville,_Florida)
1853
Gators (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Gators)
1922
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

George Washington University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_University)
Washington, D.C. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.)
1821
Colonials (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_Colonials)
1936
1970
Atlantic 10 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_10_Conference)

University of Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Georgia)
Athens, Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athens,_Georgia)
1785
Bulldogs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Bulldogs_and_Lady_Bulldogs)
1921
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

Georgia Southern University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Southern_University)
Statesboro, Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statesboro,_Georgia)
1906
Eagles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Southern_Eagles)
1991
2014
Sun Belt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Belt_Conference)

Georgia Institute of Technology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Institute_of_Technology)
Atlanta, Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta)
1885
Yellow Jackets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Tech_Yellow_Jackets)
1921
1932
Atlantic Coast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference)

University of Kentucky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Kentucky)
Lexington, Kentucky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexington,_Kentucky)
1865
Wildcats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_Wildcats)
1921
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

Louisiana State University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_State_University)
Baton Rouge, Louisiana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baton_Rouge,_Louisiana)
1860
Tigers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSU_Tigers_and_Lady_Tigers)
1922
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

Marshall University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_University)
Huntington, West Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huntington,_West_Virginia)
1837
Thundering Herd (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Thundering_Herd)
1976
1997
C-USA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conference_USA)

University of Maryland, College Park (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Maryland,_College_Park)
College Park, Maryland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Park,_Maryland)
1856
Terrapins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland_Terrapins)
1923
1953
Big Ten (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Ten_Conference)

University of Mississippi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Mississippi)
Oxford, Mississippi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford,_Mississippi)
1848
Rebels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ole_Miss_Rebels)
1922
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

Mississippi State University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_State_University)
Starkville, Mississippi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starkville,_Mississippi)
1878
Bulldogs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_State_Bulldogs_and_Lady_Bulldogs)
1921
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_North_Carolina_at_Chapel_Hill)
Chapel Hill, North Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapel_Hill,_North_Carolina)
1789
Tar Heels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Tar_Heels)
1921
1953
Atlantic Coast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference)

North Carolina State University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_State_University)
Raleigh, North Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raleigh,_North_Carolina)
1887
Wolfpack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NC_State_Wolfpack)
1921
1953
Atlantic Coast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference)

Sewanee: The University of the South (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewanee:_The_University_of_the_South)
Sewanee, Tennessee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewanee,_Tennessee)
1857
Tigers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewanee_Tigers)
1923
1932
Southern Athletic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Athletic_Association)
(NCAA D-III (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_III_(NCAA)))

University of South Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_South_Carolina)
Columbia, South Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia,_South_Carolina)
1801
Gamecocks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Carolina_Gamecocks)
1922
1953
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

University of Tennessee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Tennessee)
Knoxville, Tennessee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville,_Tennessee)
1794
Volunteers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Volunteers)
1921
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

Tulane University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulane_University)
New Orleans, Louisiana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans)
1834
Green Wave (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulane_Green_Wave)
1922
1932
The American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Athletic_Conference)

Vanderbilt University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanderbilt_University)
Nashville, Tennessee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashville,_Tennessee)
1873
Commodores (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanderbilt_Commodores)
1922
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

University of Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Virginia)
Charlottesville, Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlottesville,_Virginia)
1819
Cavaliers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Cavaliers)
1921
1937
Atlantic Coast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference)

Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech)
Blacksburg, Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacksburg,_Virginia)
1872
Hokies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_Hokies)
1921
1965
Atlantic Coast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference)

Wake Forest University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_Forest_University)
Winston-Salem, North Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston-Salem,_North_Carolina)
1834
Demon Deacons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_Forest_Demon_Deacons)
1936
1953
Atlantic Coast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference)

Washington and Lee University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_and_Lee_University)
Lexington, Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexington,_Virginia)
1749
Generals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_and_Lee_Generals)
1921
1958
Old Dominion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Dominion_Athletic_Conference)
(NCAA D-III (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_III_(NCAA)))

West Virginia University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_University)
Morgantown, West Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgantown,_West_Virginia)
1867
Mountaineers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_Mountaineers)
1950
1968
Big 12 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_12_Conference)

The College of William & Mary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_William_%26_Mary)
Williamsburg, Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williamsburg,_Virginia)
1693
Tribe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_%26_Mary_Tribe)
1936
1977
Colonial Athletic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_Athletic_Association)

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Sader87

September 3rd, 2014, 01:19 AM

As I posted.....a very rich history....but with scholarships back (in HC's case anyway), the PL is positioned well to be every bit as good, if not superior to what's left of the Southern Conference moving forward.

citdog

September 3rd, 2014, 01:30 AM

Thumper 76

September 3rd, 2014, 01:34 AM

If I wasnt worried about a hangover fron the lose to Cuse I would pick Nova in a blowout. But Im a MVFC fan and dont have much knowledge about fordham, hence the lack of capitalization

Sader87

September 3rd, 2014, 01:36 AM

citdog

September 3rd, 2014, 01:42 AM

They are actually very similar conferences now.....the SoCon does have a bit of a more public-look and a Southern-feel (obviously) but the PL schools have a much more national scope in recruiting etc. which will off-set those advantages.

There is enough football talent in the Cotton States to win the NC in ALL divisions. You can keep the rest.

bonarae

September 3rd, 2014, 04:12 AM

There is enough football talent in the Cotton States to win the NC in ALL divisions. You can keep the rest.

Even D-III and NAIA? The Midwest gets the lion's share of talent from their respective sides in both divisions... xwhistlex

heath

September 3rd, 2014, 09:17 AM

All charter members had enough sense to leave the GREAT Southern Conference. Hello SEC and ACC. Todays current members and associate members are certainly NOTHING to brag about. It would be nice if some of that great football talent in those cotton states would start attending some of the SoCons schools. Anytime you can bring in a new member like Mercer, you automatically bring prestige to the conference.xsmiley_wixYes I know ol' Jesse awarded General Lee an honorary degree,so I'm sure that had much to do with it.xlolx
Villanova-31
Fordham-23

RichH2

September 3rd, 2014, 09:19 AM

Coulda been in the Big East but settled for the patsy league. Sad. So VERY SAD.

List of the former members of the Southern Conference

Auburn University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn_University)
Auburn, Alabama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn,_Alabama)
1856
Tigers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn_Tigers)
1921
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

College of Charleston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Charleston)
Charleston, South Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleston,_South_Carolina)
1770
Cougars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Charleston_Cougars)
1998
2013
Colonial Athletic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_Athletic_Association)

Clemson University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemson_University)
Clemson, South Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemson,_South_Carolina)
1889
Tigers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemson_Tigers)
1921
1953
Atlantic Coast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference)

Duke University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_University)
Durham, North Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durham,_North_Carolina)
1838
Blue Devils (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Blue_Devils)
1928
1953
Atlantic Coast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference)

East Carolina University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Carolina_University)
Greenville, North Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenville,_North_Carolina)
1907
Pirates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Carolina_Pirates)
1964
1976
The American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Athletic_Conference)

Elon University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_University)
Elon, North Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon,_North_Carolina)
1889
Phoenix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Phoenix)
2003
2014
Colonial Athletic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_Athletic_Association)

University of Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Florida)
Gainesville, Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gainesville,_Florida)
1853
Gators (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Gators)
1922
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

George Washington University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_University)
Washington, D.C. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.)
1821
Colonials (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_Colonials)
1936
1970
Atlantic 10 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_10_Conference)

University of Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Georgia)
Athens, Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athens,_Georgia)
1785
Bulldogs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Bulldogs_and_Lady_Bulldogs)
1921
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

Georgia Southern University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Southern_University)
Statesboro, Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statesboro,_Georgia)
1906
Eagles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Southern_Eagles)
1991
2014
Sun Belt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Belt_Conference)

Georgia Institute of Technology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Institute_of_Technology)
Atlanta, Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta)
1885
Yellow Jackets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Tech_Yellow_Jackets)
1921
1932
Atlantic Coast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference)

University of Kentucky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Kentucky)
Lexington, Kentucky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexington,_Kentucky)
1865
Wildcats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_Wildcats)
1921
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

Louisiana State University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_State_University)
Baton Rouge, Louisiana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baton_Rouge,_Louisiana)
1860
Tigers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSU_Tigers_and_Lady_Tigers)
1922
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

Marshall University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_University)
Huntington, West Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huntington,_West_Virginia)
1837
Thundering Herd (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Thundering_Herd)
1976
1997
C-USA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conference_USA)

University of Maryland, College Park (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Maryland,_College_Park)
College Park, Maryland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Park,_Maryland)
1856
Terrapins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland_Terrapins)
1923
1953
Big Ten (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Ten_Conference)

University of Mississippi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Mississippi)
Oxford, Mississippi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford,_Mississippi)
1848
Rebels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ole_Miss_Rebels)
1922
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

Mississippi State University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_State_University)
Starkville, Mississippi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starkville,_Mississippi)
1878
Bulldogs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_State_Bulldogs_and_Lady_Bulldogs)
1921
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_North_Carolina_at_Chapel_Hill)
Chapel Hill, North Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapel_Hill,_North_Carolina)
1789
Tar Heels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Tar_Heels)
1921
1953
Atlantic Coast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference)

North Carolina State University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_State_University)
Raleigh, North Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raleigh,_North_Carolina)
1887
Wolfpack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NC_State_Wolfpack)
1921
1953
Atlantic Coast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference)

Sewanee: The University of the South (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewanee:_The_University_of_the_South)
Sewanee, Tennessee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewanee,_Tennessee)
1857
Tigers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewanee_Tigers)
1923
1932
Southern Athletic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Athletic_Association)
(NCAA D-III (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_III_(NCAA)))

University of South Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_South_Carolina)
Columbia, South Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia,_South_Carolina)
1801
Gamecocks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Carolina_Gamecocks)
1922
1953
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

University of Tennessee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Tennessee)
Knoxville, Tennessee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville,_Tennessee)
1794
Volunteers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Volunteers)
1921
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

Tulane University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulane_University)
New Orleans, Louisiana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans)
1834
Green Wave (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulane_Green_Wave)
1922
1932
The American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Athletic_Conference)

Vanderbilt University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanderbilt_University)
Nashville, Tennessee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashville,_Tennessee)
1873
Commodores (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanderbilt_Commodores)
1922
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

University of Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Virginia)
Charlottesville, Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlottesville,_Virginia)
1819
Cavaliers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Cavaliers)
1921
1937
Atlantic Coast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference)

Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech)
Blacksburg, Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacksburg,_Virginia)
1872
Hokies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_Hokies)
1921
1965
Atlantic Coast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference)

Wake Forest University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_Forest_University)
Winston-Salem, North Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston-Salem,_North_Carolina)
1834
Demon Deacons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_Forest_Demon_Deacons)
1936
1953
Atlantic Coast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference)

Washington and Lee University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_and_Lee_University)
Lexington, Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexington,_Virginia)
1749
Generals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_and_Lee_Generals)
1921
1958
Old Dominion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Dominion_Athletic_Conference)
(NCAA D-III (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_III_(NCAA)))

West Virginia University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_University)
Morgantown, West Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgantown,_West_Virginia)
1867
Mountaineers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_Mountaineers)
1950
1968
Big 12 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_12_Conference)

The College of William & Mary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_William_%26_Mary)
Williamsburg, Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williamsburg,_Virginia)
1693
Tribe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_%26_Mary_Tribe)
1936
1977
Colonial Athletic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_Athletic_Association)

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SoCon has a rich history. Also shows that the smart ones all left:)

Fordhamanhattan

September 3rd, 2014, 09:22 AM

Fordham's receivers could play for anybody at this level and many teams at the next level. All American Sam Ajala, Trebucky Jones (father NFLer) and my favorite Brian Wetzel all had 1000 plus yards last year. Tight end Light is just as good, if not better. Be warned Fordham has weapons.

2ram

September 3rd, 2014, 09:52 AM

VMI is a 1934 member of the SoCon. GLAD to have them back. At least they aren't a div iii team like georgetown.

vmi has been diii for longer than the fcs has been around... i'd take the hoyas in that one.

2ram

September 3rd, 2014, 09:56 AM

List of the former members of the Southern Conference

Auburn University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn_University)
Auburn, Alabama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn,_Alabama)
1856
Tigers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn_Tigers)
1921
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

College of Charleston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Charleston)
Charleston, South Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleston,_South_Carolina)
1770
Cougars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Charleston_Cougars)
1998
2013
Colonial Athletic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_Athletic_Association)

Clemson University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemson_University)
Clemson, South Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemson,_South_Carolina)
1889
Tigers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemson_Tigers)
1921
1953
Atlantic Coast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference)

Duke University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_University)
Durham, North Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durham,_North_Carolina)
1838
Blue Devils (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Blue_Devils)
1928
1953
Atlantic Coast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference)

East Carolina University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Carolina_University)
Greenville, North Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenville,_North_Carolina)
1907
Pirates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Carolina_Pirates)
1964
1976
The American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Athletic_Conference)

Elon University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_University)
Elon, North Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon,_North_Carolina)
1889
Phoenix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Phoenix)
2003
2014
Colonial Athletic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_Athletic_Association)

University of Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Florida)
Gainesville, Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gainesville,_Florida)
1853
Gators (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Gators)
1922
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

George Washington University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_University)
Washington, D.C. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.)
1821
Colonials (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_Colonials)
1936
1970
Atlantic 10 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_10_Conference)

University of Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Georgia)
Athens, Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athens,_Georgia)
1785
Bulldogs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Bulldogs_and_Lady_Bulldogs)
1921
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

Georgia Southern University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Southern_University)
Statesboro, Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statesboro,_Georgia)
1906
Eagles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Southern_Eagles)
1991
2014
Sun Belt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Belt_Conference)

Georgia Institute of Technology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Institute_of_Technology)
Atlanta, Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta)
1885
Yellow Jackets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Tech_Yellow_Jackets)
1921
1932
Atlantic Coast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference)

University of Kentucky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Kentucky)
Lexington, Kentucky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexington,_Kentucky)
1865
Wildcats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_Wildcats)
1921
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

Louisiana State University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_State_University)
Baton Rouge, Louisiana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baton_Rouge,_Louisiana)
1860
Tigers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSU_Tigers_and_Lady_Tigers)
1922
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

Marshall University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_University)
Huntington, West Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huntington,_West_Virginia)
1837
Thundering Herd (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Thundering_Herd)
1976
1997
C-USA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conference_USA)

University of Maryland, College Park (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Maryland,_College_Park)
College Park, Maryland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Park,_Maryland)
1856
Terrapins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland_Terrapins)
1923
1953
Big Ten (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Ten_Conference)

University of Mississippi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Mississippi)
Oxford, Mississippi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford,_Mississippi)
1848
Rebels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ole_Miss_Rebels)
1922
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

Mississippi State University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_State_University)
Starkville, Mississippi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starkville,_Mississippi)
1878
Bulldogs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_State_Bulldogs_and_Lady_Bulldogs)
1921
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_North_Carolina_at_Chapel_Hill)
Chapel Hill, North Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapel_Hill,_North_Carolina)
1789
Tar Heels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Tar_Heels)
1921
1953
Atlantic Coast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference)

North Carolina State University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_State_University)
Raleigh, North Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raleigh,_North_Carolina)
1887
Wolfpack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NC_State_Wolfpack)
1921
1953
Atlantic Coast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference)

Sewanee: The University of the South (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewanee:_The_University_of_the_South)
Sewanee, Tennessee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewanee,_Tennessee)
1857
Tigers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewanee_Tigers)
1923
1932
Southern Athletic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Athletic_Association)
(NCAA D-III (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_III_(NCAA)))

University of South Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_South_Carolina)
Columbia, South Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia,_South_Carolina)
1801
Gamecocks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Carolina_Gamecocks)
1922
1953
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

University of Tennessee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Tennessee)
Knoxville, Tennessee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville,_Tennessee)
1794
Volunteers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Volunteers)
1921
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

Tulane University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulane_University)
New Orleans, Louisiana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans)
1834
Green Wave (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulane_Green_Wave)
1922
1932
The American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Athletic_Conference)

Vanderbilt University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanderbilt_University)
Nashville, Tennessee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashville,_Tennessee)
1873
Commodores (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanderbilt_Commodores)
1922
1932
Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference)

University of Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Virginia)
Charlottesville, Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlottesville,_Virginia)
1819
Cavaliers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Cavaliers)
1921
1937
Atlantic Coast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference)

Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech)
Blacksburg, Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacksburg,_Virginia)
1872
Hokies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_Hokies)
1921
1965
Atlantic Coast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference)

Wake Forest University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_Forest_University)
Winston-Salem, North Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston-Salem,_North_Carolina)
1834
Demon Deacons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_Forest_Demon_Deacons)
1936
1953
Atlantic Coast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference)

Washington and Lee University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_and_Lee_University)
Lexington, Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexington,_Virginia)
1749
Generals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_and_Lee_Generals)
1921
1958
Old Dominion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Dominion_Athletic_Conference)
(NCAA D-III (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_III_(NCAA)))

West Virginia University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_University)
Morgantown, West Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgantown,_West_Virginia)
1867
Mountaineers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_Mountaineers)
1950
1968
Big 12 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_12_Conference)

The College of William & Mary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_William_%26_Mary)
Williamsburg, Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williamsburg,_Virginia)
1693
Tribe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_%26_Mary_Tribe)
1936
1977
Colonial Athletic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_Athletic_Association)

S

a completely meaningless list of teams who've played each other in the past, and a document of ones that have decided to stop doing it. if you want history and prestige, we can whip out schedules from PL and Ivy teams which are synonymous with the golden ages of football.

citdog

September 3rd, 2014, 10:38 AM

a completely meaningless list of teams who've played each other in the past, and a document of ones that have decided to stop doing it. if you want history and prestige, we can whip out schedules from PL and Ivy teams which are synonymous with the golden ages of football.

The point, but when has that mattered to you patsy leaguers, is that the longtime members of the SoCon had to play teams for decades that are now SEC and ACC members. Those type of things have an effect on your all time wins and losses. In reality your league is a one bid league regardless of how you yankees would like to spin it.

citdog

September 3rd, 2014, 10:39 AM

vmi has been diii for longer than the fcs has been around... i'd take the hoyas in that one.

Mercer and VMI are the only two SoCon teams that wouldn't win the patsy THIS year. Your best team, fordham, would finish in 5th place.

2ram

September 3rd, 2014, 11:01 AM

2ram

September 3rd, 2014, 11:04 AM

Mercer and VMI are the only two SoCon teams that wouldn't win the patsy THIS year. Your best team, fordham, would finish in 5th place.

sure... since you placed SOOO many teams in the playoffs last year.

BisonFan02

September 3rd, 2014, 11:25 AM

Not to derail this thread any further, but the best teams my Bison have seen in the post season over the last three years have all been out of the SoCoN....and it really hasn't been close.

citdog

September 3rd, 2014, 11:34 AM

lol... you think only socon schools have played against big time teams for much of their history? you should try opening a book. our history, and the teams we play and have played, have a much richer history than citadel's tangerine bowl appearance... what a joke.

the only spin placed here, is yours.

Because you had to play VPI, UNC, USC, WVU, NC ST, etc etc every year. Your delusion is showing.

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sure... since you placed SOOO many teams in the playoffs last year.

How many NC's does the patsy have?

PAllen

September 3rd, 2014, 11:41 AM

Because you had to play VPI, UNC, USC, WVU, NC ST, etc etc every year. Your delusion is showing.

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How many NC's does the patsy have?

No one currently in the Socon has played those schools every year in over half a century.

How many NCs? A few.

citdog

September 3rd, 2014, 11:45 AM

No one currently in the Socon has played those schools every year in over half a century.

How many NCs? A few.

REALLY! Perhaps if you read the thread you would see that I was speaking of ALL TIME RECORDS. These are skewed when you look at WHO we played. The penis envy you patsy leaguers have for REAL conferences is ASTOUNDING!

citdog

September 3rd, 2014, 11:46 AM

Not to derail this thread any further, but the best teams my Bison have seen in the post season over the last three years have all been out of the SoCoN....and it really hasn't been close.

The patsy league is the toughest league in all of the fcs according to this bunch. They should really get out more.

Fordhamanhattan

September 3rd, 2014, 11:47 AM

Does every thread have to be a replay of the Civil War?

Sader87

September 3rd, 2014, 11:47 AM

More hijacking, apologies, but you can't really compare the SoCon history (in the 20th C anyway) to HC, Colgate, Fordham and GTown in the sense that those 4 schools weren't part of a league for most of their history. They played independent major college football schedules, at times very nationally.

The Patriot League as it was set up in the mid-1980s has been proven to be a failed experiment. The PL 2.0 with football scholarships will be a very different, more competitive league imo......very much on a par with the SoCon and other of the top FCS conferences.

FordhamFan

September 3rd, 2014, 11:49 AM

Mercer and VMI are the only two SoCon teams that wouldn't win the patsy THIS year. Your best team, fordham, would finish in 5th place.

This is hilarious. Fordham would win the SoCon by a few games this year.

As far as history, clearly the SoCon takes it by a mile. No doubt. But don't be afraid because the Patriot League's stock is rising while the SoCon's is dropping. Just is what it is.

citdog

September 3rd, 2014, 11:49 AM

Does every thread have to be a replay of the Civil War?

I believe that you just brought it up for the first time in this one. Would you care to discuss it?

citdog

September 3rd, 2014, 11:52 AM

This is hilarious. Fordham would win the SoCon by a few games this year.

As far as history, clearly the SoCon takes it by a mile. No doubt. But don't be afraid because the Patriot League's stock is rising while the SoCon's is dropping. Just is what it is.

Fordham would win a few games in the SoCon. The grind of playing a REAL opponent EVERY week would win in the end though. There is no one in your conference that stacks up with having to play furman, Chatt, Samford, Woffy, or The Citadel. You just don't have the horses for that kind of a schedule. We'll see what the playoff committee thinks about the two leagues when they issue the bids to your ONE team and the SoCon's MULTIPLE teams.

citdog

September 3rd, 2014, 11:55 AM

The Patriot League as it was set up in the mid-1980s has been proven to be a failed experiment. The PL 2.0 with football scholarships will be a very different, more competitive league imo......very much on a par with the SoCon and other of the top FCS conferences.

FINALLY some honesty from y'all! Thanks Sader! We'll see how the last sentence works out in the future. I think you are going to have to get rid of gtown before most take your league seriously from top to bottom.

FordhamFan

September 3rd, 2014, 11:58 AM

Fordham would win a few games in the SoCon. The grind of playing a REAL opponent EVERY week would win in the end though. There is no one in your conference that stacks up with having to play furman, Chatt, Samford, Woffy, or The Citadel. You just don't have the horses for that kind of a schedule. We'll see what the playoff committee thinks about the two leagues when they issue the bids to your ONE team and the SoCon's MULTIPLE teams.

I think the real problem here is that you think PL fans think the league is a juggernaut. Far from it. But it's better than it was 5 years ago, and it's getting better. Is it going to be one bid this year? Most likely, but it's getting better. I don't think that's really arguable.

And chill with the listing of those "studly" teams...let's not make anyone think the SoCon is the Missouri Valley. You're listing a bunch of mediocre to above average teams. Definitely tougher than what the PL has, but not too far above "patsy" level.

citdog

September 3rd, 2014, 12:01 PM

I think the real problem here is that you think PL fans think the league is a juggernaut. Far from it. But it's better than it was 5 years ago, and it's getting better. Is it going to be one bid this year? Most likely, but it's getting better. I don't think that's really arguable.

And chill with the listing of those "studly" teams...let's not make anyone think the SoCon is the Missouri Valley. You're listing a bunch of mediocre to above average teams. Definitely tougher than what the PL has, but not too far above "patsy" level.

Have you ever met ANY of the le high posters? They think the patsy is the sec. Y'all are better but where you started was so low that it's going to take a while to remove the perception that you are weak. Any of those teams that I mentioned would win your league.

RichH2

September 3rd, 2014, 12:02 PM

FordhamFan

September 3rd, 2014, 12:09 PM

Have you ever met ANY of the le high posters? They think the patsy is the sec. Y'all are better but where you started was so low that it's going to take a while to remove the perception that you are weak. Any of those teams that I mentioned would win your league.

Yeah they get carried away with homerism, but we all do to some extent or another. I honestly thinks this comes down to just a lack of knowledge of the teams we're discussing. I don't say this out of bias (although I know it's hard for that statement to have merit), but Fordham is very talented, they are a full scholarship team at this point, and talent wise can match up with almost any team in the FCS. They would be favorited in the SoCon just as they are in the PL.

I imagine you don't care to take in many Fordham or PL games, just as I don't watch that many SoCon teams...I'm sure every one of those teams would beat up on the bulk of the PL, but FU is legit. Obviously, time will tell, but all signs point to that.

Sader87

September 3rd, 2014, 12:15 PM

0]Not a failed experiment 87,just an evolving one[/B]. Agree tho,that PL with 4+ years of schollies will be competitive with CAA et al.
citdog, SoCon has a rich history as does PL. Neither is particularly relevant to present day comparisons. No claim that PL is as good as SoCon top to bottom. Nor is it as pathetic as you love to repeat. Only way to have realistic comparisons is to play on the field.

lol....a very PL-esque way of parsing words/meaning.

The fact remains, the non-schollie PL basically gutted HC football. It went from perennial Top 10s in the FCS to one of the bottom 25% FCS programs most years.

PAllen

September 3rd, 2014, 12:16 PM

REALLY! Perhaps if you read the thread you would see that I was speaking of ALL TIME RECORDS. These are skewed when you look at WHO we played. The penis envy you patsy leaguers have for REAL conferences is ASTOUNDING!

So you're claiming all time records against the Florida State Teacher's College as a record against the reigning BCS Champ, while discounting records against then national championship teams in Army, Yale, etc. None of that is even close to relevant to football today. Yes, all time, many of the teams currently in the PL have a played at the highest level of college football. More so than those currently in the Socon. Does it matter? About as much as you having had UNC as a conference mate once, which is not a bit.

citdog

September 3rd, 2014, 12:18 PM

So you're claiming all time records against the Florida State Teacher's College as a record against the reigning BCS Champ, while discounting records against then national championship teams in Army, Yale, etc. None of that is even close to relevant to football today. Yes, all time, many of the teams currently in the PL have a played at the highest level of college football. More so than those currently in the Socon. Does it matter? About as much as you having had UNC as a conference mate once, which is not a bit.

Florida State has never been in the SoCon. TRY and keep up........

DoubleH

September 3rd, 2014, 12:45 PM

You're dreaming.

On the contrary, I anticipate the PL being rather easily the better football conference within a decade.

citdog

September 3rd, 2014, 12:48 PM

On the contrary, I anticipate the PL being rather easily the better football conference within a decade.

Don't you mean the nec? y'all made CCSU look like NDSU.

DoubleH

September 3rd, 2014, 12:54 PM

Don't you mean the nec? y'all made CCSU look like NDSU.

Oh no, I mean the SoCon, or what's left of it.

Not sure what Towson's horrific opener has to do with this debate, but IIRC the Tigers were playing in January last year. How'd the Citadel do, kicker?

citdog

September 3rd, 2014, 12:57 PM

Oh no, I mean the SoCon, or what's left of it.

Not sure what Towson's horrific opener has to do with this debate, but IIRC the Tigers were playing in January last year. How'd the Citadel do, kicker?

About as well as your CAA picks. Our seasons will end at the same time this season. I stand in awe of your vast knowledge of the FCS landscape. You should have your own show.

DoubleH

September 3rd, 2014, 12:59 PM

About as well as your CAA picks. Our seasons will end at the same time this season. I stand in awe of your vast knowledge of the FCS landscape. You should have your own show.

xlolx

centennial

September 3rd, 2014, 01:00 PM

Not a failed experiment 87,just an evolving one. Agree tho,that PL with 4+ years of schollies will be competitive with CAA et al.
citdog, SoCon has a rich history as does PL. Neither is particularly relevant to present day comparisons. No claim that PL is as good as SoCon top to bottom. Nor is it as pathetic as you love to repeat. Only way to have realistic comparisons is to play on the field.
I think this is premature. Let the PL ramp up to full scholarship levels. CAA has for the most part been the top 2 FCS. Once your conference starts beating ranked teams regularly and has multiple FCS championships we can compare them to the cream.

RichH2

September 3rd, 2014, 02:54 PM

Agree centennial. Saying that we can compete with CAA or SoCon with 4+ schollie classes is not saying we are yet or will ever be in the same conversation with them as a power conference. Given our AI and schollie cap, that is quite unlikely. Will our best in some yrs be as good or better,yup.

2ram

September 4th, 2014, 11:30 AM

The point, but when has that mattered to you patsy leaguers, is that the longtime members of the SoCon had to play teams for decades that are now SEC and ACC members. Those type of things have an effect on your all time wins and losses. In reality your league is a one bid league regardless of how you yankees would like to spin it.

Because you had to play VPI, UNC, USC, WVU, NC ST, etc etc every year. Your delusion is showing.

the only one delusional about the SOCON's checkered history, and the teams in it, is you. that conference is nothing like and has nothing to do with the teams you've listed. and why would we play any of those teams regularly as a NE team? older teams like ours played big-time independent schedules against teams like pitt, rutgers, purdue, and our regular season schedule propelled us into games against teams like, wvu, bama, ark, etc.

our record against teams that aren't even part of the SOCON anymore, and probably weren't part of it by the time the citadel's of the conf. showed up (or at least most of it) looks like this:
wvu: 8-3-1
unc: 3-0-2
usc: 1-0-0
bama 1-1-0
ark: 1-0-0
tenn: 1-1-0

15-5-3 against those teams. #15 all time NCAA wins. #5 all time FCS wins, despite dropping DI football for over a decade and starting again from scratch. TRY and keep up.

Lehigh'98

September 4th, 2014, 11:57 AM

The PL non schollie had better teams than The Citadel. The top teams were almost always competitive nationally. Problem was there were big drop offs. Aside from Gtown, the league will be much deeper. Frankly, the homerism from PL pales in comparison to most even though the worst of it comes from Lehigh posters....

Back to this thread, while nova played great, Cuse did lose their QB. Fordham has great chance to win.

citdog

September 4th, 2014, 11:57 AM

The Citadel began play in the SoCon in 1936. Here were the members in that year.

#11 Duke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Blue_Devils_football) †
7
–
0
–
0

9
–
1
–
0

North Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Tar_Heels_football)
5
–
1
–
0

8
–
2
–
0

Furman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furman_Paladins_football)
4
–
1
–
0

7
–
2
–
0

VMI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMI_Keydets_football)
4
–
2
–
0

6
–
4
–
0

Clemson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_Clemson_Tigers_football_team)
3
–
2
–
0

5
–
5
–
0

Maryland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_Maryland_Terrapins_football_team)
3
–
2
–
0

5
–
5
–
0

Davidson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davidson_Wildcats_football)
4
–
3
–
0

5
–
4
–
0

Washington & Lee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_and_Lee_Generals_football)
2
–
2
–
0

4
–
5
–
0

Wake Forest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_Wake_Forest_Demon_Deacons_football_team)
2
–
3
–
0

5
–
4
–
0

NC State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NC_State_Wolfpack_football)
2
–
4
–
0

3
–
7
–
0

Virginia Tech (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_Hokies_football)
3
–
5
–
0

5
–
5
–
0

South Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Carolina_Gamecocks_football)
2
–
5
–
0

5
–
7
–
0

Richmond (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richmond_Spiders_football)
1
–
3
–
0

4
–
4
–
2

The Citadel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_The_Citadel_Bulldogs_football_team)
0
–
4
–
0

4
–
6
–
0

William & Mary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_William_%26_Mary_Indians_football_team)

From what you posted to a second rate one bid football conference. Did your school just lack the guts to continue playing decent teams?

heath

September 4th, 2014, 12:11 PM

Sader87

September 4th, 2014, 12:50 PM

2ram

September 4th, 2014, 01:08 PM

Holy Cross was ranked 14th in the country in 1937 and 9th in 1938.....point being, many schools at the FCS level have a glorious past at the highest level of college football, not just the Citadel and the SoCon.

some might say much more glorious than the citadel and current socon.

and citdog, FU actually dropped football several times, twice during war years. fordham did not partake in the navy's v5 program, and suffered much more than schools that did. that lead to the 5th and most lengthy cancellation, post WWII, which was largely due to the difficulties in restarting the program after a lengthy absence, the expenses of running a big time program, and differing interests within administration. it wasn't reinstated until 1964 at the club level, literally going from the top of the top, to the bottom of the bottom.

http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/CFHSN/CFHSNv07/CFHSNv07n3b.pdf

smilo

September 4th, 2014, 08:06 PM

2ram

September 4th, 2014, 09:20 PM

6'6" Senior WR Clay Horne down to 7th (Seventh!!!) on the WR depth after a dropped pass in the red zone last week. Was the likely #2 earlier this spring. I don't want to speculate too much, but a talented freshman by the name of Taurus Phillips is just behind him on the depth chart. Not necessarily related to this week's game, but he better show something if he wants to be on the field much during a potential playoff game.

Even more notable for the casual reader, Villanova has changed its Placekicker to freshman Steve Weyler. Chris Gough will continue to take Kickoffs.

that missed kick in regulation to win it was tough to watch. you guys had that game. tough break for he and the team.

Nova09

September 5th, 2014, 12:03 PM

6'6" Senior WR Clay Horne down to 7th (Seventh!!!) on the WR depth after a dropped pass in the red zone last week. Was the likely #2 earlier this spring. I don't want to speculate too much, but a talented freshman by the name of Taurus Phillips is just behind him on the depth chart. Not necessarily related to this week's game, but he better show something if he wants to be on the field much during a potential playoff game.

Even more notable for the casual reader, Villanova has changed its Placekicker to freshman Steve Weyler. Chris Gough will continue to take Kickoffs.

Interesting. Where'd you hear this? I had high hopes for Horne, obviously real disappointed he dropped that catch which led to the first missed fg, but the coaches see him every day and if he can't catch his size and route running are pretty useless. I mean, what do I know, I'm the guy who thought Stephen Hill could be great for the Jets.

Nova09

September 5th, 2014, 12:04 PM

Back to this thread, while nova played great, Cuse did lose their QB. Fordham has great chance to win.

Did you watch the game? We outplayed them way more in the first half than the second. We were down 10-7 after the half the starter played, but missed an easy fg after a dropped would be first and goal inside 5. Their one td was the result of a long run after a questionable running into kicker extended the drive.

superman7515

September 5th, 2014, 12:12 PM

That defense was outstanding against Syracuse, and with Hodge out at LB for the Rams, trying to contain Robertson is going to be all the more difficult.

Vooter

September 5th, 2014, 01:26 PM

It took 'Nova handing you the ball 5 times for you to win last year.

That's what losing teams do--they turn the ball over five times. Not Fordham's fault...

Fordham

September 6th, 2014, 03:52 PM

Sounds like 'Nova is taking it to us at the start.

Hey, PL guys, what the heck is up with the Patriot League network?!?!? Game is on but nothing on. Says it'll start at 4:15 but game underway. So frustrating

Fordham

September 6th, 2014, 04:15 PM

Looks like Lehigh put up a better fight than we are thus far. Villanova pushing us around

OL FU

September 6th, 2014, 04:25 PM

Fordham

September 6th, 2014, 04:44 PM

Fordham Nova suspended due to lightning.

CHIP72

September 6th, 2014, 05:11 PM

Just announced the game will resume at 5:30 PM barring additional lightning.

Go Lehigh TU Owl

September 6th, 2014, 05:11 PM

Radar looks "ok". They might sneak 'er in....

smilo

September 6th, 2014, 05:57 PM

Missed PAT for Nova after a passing TD from Robertson. Missed Chip shot earlier in the game. Time to give Gough his job back.

100 yard kick off return for Fordham called back. Block in the back on the 20. 3 and out.

Nova 13-3 nearing red zone again.

smilo

September 6th, 2014, 05:59 PM

Haven't seen Livers since the injury earlier in the game. Will need him back eventually but can survive without him.
5th and 6th stringers Lincoln Collins (huge catch in the middle of the field) and Clay Horne (6 yr catch in red zone) on the sidelines, all YAC) making contributions.

smilo

September 6th, 2014, 06:01 PM

And just like that, poppy livers, 12 yard catch in the red zone

smilo

September 6th, 2014, 06:05 PM

Tough throw from Robertson hits Poppy Livers for a 9 yard TD pass. 19-3

Missed PAT

Fordham

September 6th, 2014, 06:06 PM

We are getting crushed. Beaten up on both sides of the ball. That KO return call back killed us. 'Nova VERY good

VUCats02

September 6th, 2014, 06:08 PM

#Novakickerproblems

How do you miss two PAT's in a row? This is just absurd.

Fordham

September 6th, 2014, 06:10 PM

Wow, Nebrich clearly playing hurt. Just awful. Can't run

smilo

September 6th, 2014, 06:10 PM

42 Yard pick six. Perfect read by the D. 2 or 3 nova players were all over that. PAT good from Chris Gough. 26-3.

Play before, nebrich overthrew a deep wide out for the 3rd time by my count.

VUCats02

September 6th, 2014, 06:11 PM

Nova playing extremely well right now. Their defense has been suffocating.

Go Lehigh TU Owl

September 6th, 2014, 06:13 PM

'Nova picking up from where the left off last week. They are very good.....

Fordham

September 6th, 2014, 06:22 PM

Yes, they are

smilo

September 6th, 2014, 06:23 PM

Following Nebrich's 2nd pickMike Burke, the starting WR used for run blocking, with a catch. Aaron Wells WR end around. Targeted Anthony DeCamillo deep. Gary Underwood, 3rd string back had a first down. Kevin Monangai caught a pass. Lincoln Collins caught another pass. Complete with Poppy Livers TD. Everybodys getting in on the fun (except the TEs)! PAT good! 33-3 under a minute til half.

JoltinJoe

September 6th, 2014, 06:45 PM

We are getting crushed. Beaten up on both sides of the ball. That KO return call back killed us. 'Nova VERY good

Big mo killer that call. Bad call, but we just can't lay down. We've looked like half-steppers. The game's out of reach, but we need a great second half effort to get our heads back on straight.

smilo

September 6th, 2014, 06:58 PM

A drive of all runs (and making up 25 penalty yards) results in a TD. Started with Medley. Then Underwood had a few big ones. Robertson had a long run for a 3rd down conversion, and the drive was finished by Kevin Monangai.

40-3

VUCats02

September 6th, 2014, 07:01 PM

At this point, need to think about getting Robertson outta there. Last thing Nova wants is Robertson getting injured.

Go Lehigh TU Owl

September 6th, 2014, 07:02 PM

This is bad for Fordham and the league.....wow....xrotatehx

smilo

September 6th, 2014, 07:05 PM

Don Cherry with 2 enormous sacks. Another 3 and out. (Tanoh Kpassagnon has been on the sidelines the whole game. I see both backup DEs there too so I think Dillon Lucas is now starting on defense again. Can't tell which LB converted to DL though)

Twentysix

September 6th, 2014, 07:07 PM

A shoot out. Last man standing wins.

I guess not. xdrunkyx

smilo

September 6th, 2014, 07:12 PM

At this point, need to think about getting Robertson outta there. Last thing Nova wants is Robertson getting injured.

Chris Polomy indeed in the game. Had a nice 11 yard draw but the Wildcats punted for what I believe is the first time today.

downbythebeach

September 6th, 2014, 07:28 PM

7 for nova just got ejected for a helmet to helmet. I'm at the game...everybody is leaving/left surprised it is this much of a beat down

RichH2

September 6th, 2014, 07:29 PM

Whats up with Nebrich? He looks immobile.

Tribal

September 6th, 2014, 07:29 PM

It was so close early but Nova turned into a BCS powerhouse after the delay.

#RisingTribe

Nova09

September 6th, 2014, 07:34 PM

It was so close early but Nova turned into a BCS powerhouse after the delay.

#RisingTribe

Not really, though. Yeah, score was close, but game wasn't. We just kept shooting ourselves in foot, like a continuation of last years game with them.

Nova09

September 6th, 2014, 07:52 PM

Under 7 minutes, Fordham finally crossed over to positive rushing yards, looked poised to crack 200 total yards but turned it over on downs

Vooter

September 6th, 2014, 07:52 PM

Tip of the hat to Villanova...we got SMOKED!

smilo

September 6th, 2014, 07:56 PM

5th string Running Back Matt Gudzak goes 61 yards to the house. Probably more yards then he will get the rest of the year.
50-6 (3 of Fordham's points came after a very controversial targeting call. Villanova has given away 5 points in the kicking game. Sorry for rubbing it in, but after last season, I need this revenge)

Go Lehigh TU Owl

September 6th, 2014, 07:59 PM

This is a killer for Fordham. They lose any benefit of the doubt after a beat down like this. They better worry about the PL if they want to make the playoffs....

Fordham

September 6th, 2014, 08:40 PM

Congrats 'Nova. Great team and that was an epic beat down

heath

September 6th, 2014, 08:56 PM

Go...gate

September 6th, 2014, 08:59 PM

This is bad for Fordham and the league.....wow....xrotatehx

I was watching the game but missed everything after the lightning delay. What the hell happened to Fordham?

JoltinJoe

September 6th, 2014, 09:00 PM

This is a killer for Fordham. They lose any benefit of the doubt after a beat down like this. They better worry about the PL if they want to make the playoffs....
I'm not sure what you mean about losing any benefit of the doubt. it was a bad day -- the first in a really long time for Fordham. The bearing might actually be beneficial in the long-term, and I don't think you can put too much weight on a single game completed under peculiar circumstances, We came into the game banged up and just never answered the bell after the delay of over an hour. Villanova was superb. We'll learn our lessons, move on, and hopefully heal. We especially need Nebrich to get healthy.

Nova09

September 6th, 2014, 09:01 PM

This is dumb.

Game is a complete toss up. Don't know how anybody would be shocked if it went either way. Both teams are very good. Nova definitely has a slight edge being home and coming off that game against Cuse, but Fordham's offense is certainly the more talented offensive unit, it just has no room for err as opposed to a game against St. Francis. Either of these teams could run the other out of the building if one doesn't show up. They're both that talented. Don't know why anybody would be very confident in either way.

God you guys were insufferable this week. And I like Fordham, so I didt say anything. But what's dumb is thinking putting the ball on the turf 5 times and the bounces going to you each a every one of those times is not the reason we lost last year. I hope you see now that you can't stop our offense, you didn't two years on row. And our d can stop your offense, and mostly does, other than when we are giving you short fields by fumbling the ball over to you (half your points this year came on a short field from a fumble, too)

Go Lehigh TU Owl

September 6th, 2014, 09:05 PM

I'm not sure what you mean about losing any benefit of the doubt. it was a bad day -- the first in a really long time for Fordham. The bearing might actually be beneficial in the long-term, and I don't think you can put too much weight on a single game completed under peculiar circumstances, We came into the game banged up and just never answered the bell after the delay of over an hour. Villanova was superb. We'll learn our lessons, move on, and hopefully heal. We especially need Nebrich to get healthy.

I think the possibility of a seed went out the window today imo. Even a bye might be an uphill struggle as well. Fordham was talking about Frisco before the year but the road got much tougher after today....

JoltinJoe

September 6th, 2014, 09:23 PM

I think the possibility of a seed went out the window today imo. Even a bye might be an uphill struggle as well. Fordham was talking about Frisco before the year but the road got much tougher after today....

We were no shows after the delay. Fortunately delays of over an hour in football are freakish and rare. I wasn't happy with this game, but I'm not going to worry or give too much weight to a game played under bizarre circumstances.

heath

September 6th, 2014, 09:28 PM

We were no shows after the delay. Fortunately delays of over an hour in football are freakish and rare. I wasn't happy with this game, but I'm not going to worry or give too much weight to a game played under bizarre circumstances.
But you are not on the committee. There were dozens of college games put into weather delays today, hopefully each losing coach doesn't put too much weight on the loss.xthumbsupx

HailSzczur

September 6th, 2014, 09:36 PM

Was sitting right on the goal line where the true freshmen Matt Gudzak scored his 61 yard touchdown on his 2nd career carry. 10-15 family members of his were sitting next to us and going absolutely mental. Grandma didn't stop crying til after the final whistle blew. Grandpa turned to Matt's father (former UDel RB) and goes "How many touchdowns did you score son?" He responds "5". Grandpa reminds him he didn't score as a freshman.

Easily one of the cooler moments I've had in my 21 years as a Nova Football fan

Nova09

September 6th, 2014, 10:45 PM

We were no shows after the delay. Fortunately delays of over an hour in football are freakish and rare. I wasn't happy with this game, but I'm not going to worry or give too much weight to a game played under bizarre circumstances.

You were a no show before the delay. It should have been 17-3 by then. We just didn't execute until after the delay. Well, on offense, d was stellar all day. Bottom line, you can't possibly be confident you'd make the playoffs if you don't win PL. Probably gonna lose to Army, so if you have minimum 3 losses where's the good win that's getting you a bid?

CHIP72

September 6th, 2014, 11:42 PM

As much as we Patriot League fans want to think the gap may be closing(between PL and CAA) because of schollies got a wake-up call today. Four years of schollies at Fordham and 2 years at Lehigh gave many the idea we could compete and win........well,1 team competed and 1 team got spanked. JMU-Lehigh was a very competitive game, but what happened to the cream of the crop in the PL today?I thought Lafayette got embarrassed in the playoffs by a CAA team last season, and Fordham matched that result todayxrotatehxxrotatehx

To be honest, the CAA has had some widely varying results this season too. Towson got crushed by West Virginia, a week after losing at home to CCSU. A good Division I-AA/FCS team may lose to a good but not great Division I-A/FBS team like WVU, but they don't lose by 5+ touchdowns.

Villanova looks really, really good, and right now might be the projected favorite in the CAA.

2ram

September 7th, 2014, 12:50 AM

'nova looked great again. something is up with nebrich's leg and that was a big factor in our offense. let's face it, without him we are a different team.

JoltinJoe

September 7th, 2014, 06:08 AM

You were a no show before the delay. It should have been 17-3 by then. We just didn't execute until after the delay. Well, on offense, d was stellar all day. Bottom line, you can't possibly be confident you'd make the playoffs if you don't win PL. Probably gonna lose to Army, so if you have minimum 3 losses where's the good win that's getting you a bid?

You should be more worried about your own team. You were a schizo 6-5 team last year, great one week, and then not so good. Why don't you worry about breaking that pattern first before you talk too much about a team that is 13-3 in in its last 16 starts?

CHIP72

September 7th, 2014, 07:17 AM

You should be more worried about your own team. You were a schizo 6-5 team last year, great one week, and then not so good. Why don't you worry about breaking that pattern first before you talk too much about a team that is 13-3 in in its last 16 starts?

Uh, Villanova was 6-5 against a much tougher schedule than the one Fordham faced last year. Though it is still very early, Villanova also looks improved from 2013. As for Fordham, those two, very tight wins over teams from Philadelphia - a good but not great Division I-AA team (Villanova) and a poor Division I-A team that went 2-10 and lost to a horrible Idaho team (Temple) - were major reasons why Fordham made the playoffs last year and managed to get a first round home game. Where is Fordham getting those kind of wins this year, after losing by 44 points to Villanova? A 44 point loss, even to a top level Division I-AA team (which Villanova might be; we need to see how the season plays itself out), isn't going to look good to the people who select and place the Division I-AA playoff field.

JoltinJoe

September 7th, 2014, 08:10 AM

Uh, Villanova was 6-5 against a much tougher schedule than the one Fordham faced last year. Though it is still very early, Villanova also looks improved from 2013. As for Fordham, those two, very tight wins over teams from Philadelphia - a good but not great Division I-AA team (Villanova) and a poor Division I-A team that went 2-10 and lost to a horrible Idaho team (Temple) - were major reasons why Fordham made the playoffs last year and managed to get a first round home game. Where is Fordham getting those kind of wins this year, after losing by 44 points to Villanova? A 44 point loss, even to a top level Division I-AA team (which Villanova might be; we need to see how the season plays itself out), isn't going to look good to the people who select and place the Division I-AA playoff field.

You need to take care of your business; we need to care of our own. But the trash talk on this board from Nova fans is really too much for a team which has accomplished nothing yet. Things can happen over the course of a long season. Don't put too much stock in an early game concluded under unusual circumstances. It was 7-3 in the 2Q before play stopped. Your guys played great, and we didn't, when the game started again 70 minutes later. I don't know why we didm't show, but we have a track record now that proves we are better than we showed yesterday. We need to get healthy and, if we do, we'll be fine.

Sitting Bull

September 7th, 2014, 08:24 AM

This should be a good, budding rivalry. Hopefully they will continue the series.

CHIP72

September 7th, 2014, 10:13 AM

You need to take care of your business; we need to care of our own. But the trash talk on this board from Nova fans is really too much for a team which has accomplished nothing yet. Things can happen over the course of a long season. Don't put too much stock in an early game concluded under unusual circumstances. It was 7-3 in the 2Q before play stopped. Your guys played great, and we didn't, when the game started again 70 minutes later. I don't know why we didm't show, but we have a track record now that proves we are better than we showed yesterday. We need to get healthy and, if we do, we'll be fine.

Fordham lost 50-6. Fifty to six. How many Division I-AA football teams that don't win an automatic playoff berth lose any non-Division I-A/FBS game during the season by 44 points and still get selected for the playoffs?

Saying Fordham has a small margin for error regarding the Division I-AA playoffs for anything other than the Patriot League automatic bid isn't trash talk; it is discussing the Rams' reality. I'd be saying the same thing if Fordham lost to any other non-Patriot League team by the same margin.

JoltinJoe

September 7th, 2014, 10:21 AM

Fordham lost 50-6. Fifty to six. How many Division I-AA football teams that don't win an automatic playoff berth lose any non-Division I-A/FBS game during the season by 44 points and still get selected for the playoffs?

Saying Fordham has a small margin for error regarding the Division I-AA playoffs for anything other than the Patriot League automatic bid isn't trash talk; it is discussing the Rams' reality. I'd be saying the same thing if Fordham lost to any other non-Patriot League team by the same margin.

Yawn. Nova fans have the biggest mouths.

You do realize we're two weeks into a long season?

NoDak 4 Ever

September 7th, 2014, 10:58 AM

I guess Fordham learned a lesson. Enjoy your squishy regular season schedule and wait until the playoffs to get exposed.

HailSzczur

September 7th, 2014, 12:46 PM

It was his leg? From where I was it looked like something was wrong with his head. That 3rd down sack before the muffed punt sent him out of the game. I'd be amazed if he didn't have a concussion from that hit

Nova09

September 7th, 2014, 01:14 PM

You need to take care of your business; we need to care of our own. But the trash talk on this board from Nova fans is really too much for a team which has accomplished nothing yet. Things can happen over the course of a long season. Don't put too much stock in an early game concluded under unusual circumstances. It was 7-3 in the 2Q before play stopped. Your guys played great, and we didn't, when the game started again 70 minutes later. I don't know why we didm't show, but we have a track record now that proves we are better than we showed yesterday. We need to get healthy and, if we do, we'll be fine.

What trash talk? A patriot league fan says you need to concentrate on winning the autobid and you attack nova posters? Dude get a clue and if you think you'll get an at large if you lose a PL game or 2 explain why. That's how discussion boards work.

citdog

September 7th, 2014, 01:15 PM

I told y'all so.......

Nova09

September 7th, 2014, 01:18 PM

You should be more worried about your own team. You were a schizo 6-5 team last year, great one week, and then not so good. Why don't you worry about breaking that pattern first before you talk too much about a team that is 13-3 in in its last 16 starts?

Thanks for proving to everyone that you don't actually follow FCS. Nova lost a good hard fought game to BC, o a good Fordham team at Fordham when we fumbled way too many times, at a very good to great UNH whn we had a 7 point lead under 2 and they scored and got 2 pt conversion, and to a very good Maine team by 2. That's not schizo, that's called playing a real schedule. I'd rather know my team is better than yours and miss playoffs due to tough schedule than not get tested and get bounced early in playoffs.

smilo

September 7th, 2014, 02:18 PM

Thanks for proving to everyone that you don't actually follow FCS. Nova lost a good hard fought game to BC, o a good Fordham team at Fordham when we fumbled way too many times, at a very good to great UNH whn we had a 7 point lead under 2 and they scored and got 2 pt conversion, and to a very good Maine team by 2. That's not schizo, that's called playing a real schedule. I'd rather know my team is better than yours and miss playoffs due to tough schedule than not get tested and get bounced early in playoffs.

Not to mention the amount of injuries we had last year. JAR missed a few games. So did the senior wide receiver whose name I am blanking on, and a 3rd wide receiver. Lost a safety and a linebacker or two. One of our All-conference offensive linemen missed a couple games. Most injuries occurred in the BC game. Northern Iowa and Central Arkansas had similar excuses. All three are among the best teams this year. (We knew UNI would and Villanova had proven to be among the most elite as well with the return of healthy talent.)

JoltinJoe

September 7th, 2014, 03:02 PM

Thanks for proving to everyone that you don't actually follow FCS. Nova lost a good hard fought game to BC, o a good Fordham team at Fordham when we fumbled way too many times, at a very good to great UNH whn we had a 7 point lead under 2 and they scored and got 2 pt conversion, and to a very good Maine team by 2. That's not schizo, that's called playing a real schedule. I'd rather know my team is better than yours and miss playoffs due to tough schedule than not get tested and get bounced early in playoffs.

I follow FCS; in fact, all the way to the second round of the playoffs last year. xcoffeex

Guys who don't follow football think winning a game big in week 2 of the season somehow makes up for a disappointing 6-5 season the year before.

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Not to mention the amount of injuries we had last year. JAR missed a few games. So did the senior wide receiver whose name I am blanking on, and a 3rd wide receiver. Lost a safety and a linebacker or two. One of our All-conference offensive linemen missed a couple games. Most injuries occurred in the BC game. Northern Iowa and Central Arkansas had similar excuses. All three are among the best teams this year. (We knew UNI would and Villanova had proven to be among the most elite as well with the return of healthy talent.)

That's called making excuses.

CHIP72

September 7th, 2014, 09:41 PM

What trash talk? A patriot league fan says you need to concentrate on winning the autobid and you attack nova posters? Dude get a clue and if you think you'll get an at large if you lose a PL game or 2 explain why. That's how discussion boards work.

Actually, if you check my profile you'll see I am also a Villanova fan, and more broadly you'll be able to figure out there are four games I hope Fordham loses this year. :)

Regardless of my rooting interests, I stand by my comments that it is never good for a FCS/Division I-AA playoff contender to lose to any non-FBS/Division I-A team by 44 points. That's true of Fordham, Villanova, Lehigh, Lafayette, or any other FCS/Division I-AA team you can name.

Nova09

September 8th, 2014, 09:37 AM

Actually, if you check my profile you'll see I am also a Villanova fan, and more broadly you'll be able to figure out there are four games I hope Fordham loses this year. :)

Regardless of my rooting interests, I stand by my comments that it is never good for a FCS/Division I-AA playoff contender to lose to any non-FBS/Division I-A team by 44 points. That's true of Fordham, Villanova, Lehigh, Lafayette, or any other FCS/Division I-AA team you can name.

I was more referring to Go Lehigh TU Owl saying Fordham better worry about winning the PL if they want to make the playoffs.

Nova09

September 8th, 2014, 09:38 AM

I follow FCS; in fact, all the way to the second round of the playoffs last year. xcoffeex

Is that your tacit acknowledgment that you DON'T follow FCS, only your team? Cuz pretty sure any FCS follower paid attention all the way to January, not the second round.

JoltinJoe

September 9th, 2014, 07:01 AM

Is that your tacit acknowledgment that you DON'T follow FCS, only your team? Cuz pretty sure any FCS follower paid attention all the way to January, not the second round.

Let's just leave it this way. We beat you last year because we were better. You beat us this year because you are better.

It was a great win for your team, but it is week 2 of a long season.

From our perspective, the one-sided nature of the loss was an aberration. I don't think we could beat you this season; however, if we played again, I suspect the game would be closer.

Gangtackle11

September 9th, 2014, 10:09 AM

Wish the Fordham Rams luck the rest of the way.

JoltinJoe

September 9th, 2014, 12:30 PM

Wish the Fordham Rams luck the rest of the way.

Good luck to you. From what I saw, the V team has the talent to add another FCS championship banner up there.