GDT: SHSU vs EWU

[Red & Black]

I ask not being insulting but for information . Are both offenses that good or is there defensive issues? Or us it the first game and I should just wait and see. Probably a little bit of both. We did not play well offensively in the first half. SHSU has some athletic dudes and a good O-Line. Both defenses looked suspect.

[OL FU]

Probably a little bit of both. We did not play well offensively in the first half. SHSU has some athletic dudes and a good O-Line. Both defenses looked suspect.
Well it was certainly a good win so I am not sure how much it matters thus early but that was a lot if points !!!!!!!

[Red & Black]

Well it was certainly a good win so I am not sure how much it matters thus early but that was a lot if points !!!!!!!

True, but not out of the norm for EWU. Adams threw for 5,000 yards and 55 TD's last season. Forte rushed for over 1200 and we had some other backs with some significant yardage as well. Biggest dissapointment was all the dropped balls in the first half. Last year we were hitting those long balls consistently.


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[Screamin_Eagle174]

After sparing your team last year from total humiliation. Not worried you embarrassed yourselves today.

Still 3-1

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And I see you're still a butthurt bitch.. Congrats on your team never amounting to anything.

[Texas]

And I see you're still a butthurt bitch.. Congrats on your team never amounting to anything.

Calling someone a bitch huh? Remind me who goes MIA after losses like a bitch, that's right it's you.

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[Red & Black]

eastern is a bunch of boors.

stay classy VA!

It's probably not a good idea to call a timeout during the last minute when the other team is about to take a knee. You don't want us to score, let the clock run out. It's not like we were throwing the ball or something. Zero issues with that call.

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[dudeitsaid]

It's probably not a good idea to call a timeout during the last minute when the other team is about to take a knee. You don't want us to score, let the clock run out. It's not like we were throwing the ball or something. Zero issues with that call.

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That, and I think the runs up the middle typically produce 3 yards as we are trying to run out the clock. I don't think EWU was trying to go for a score when they started that final drive, or like you said, they would've mixed up the play-calling somewhat. But when you give up 18 yards a rush, and let your 3rd string RB run down to the 1 yard line, don't know what you expect. He's going to go into the end zone.

[dudeitsaid]

Kudos to SHSU. Both teams did not look like they were in mid-season form. But both teams showed glimmers of what they will be able to do throughout the season. I think SHSU will be top three in the SLC and in the playoffs, and could really make some noise.

Also, met some Katfans at the game. Very classy people, and contrary to what many post about EWU fans, had nothing but good things to say about how they were treated. Even the mascot had some good fun with some Eagle fans.

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Congrats EWU not sure why we abandoned the run but like what I saw. Better work on the defense if you want to compete for a NC.

Agree with this. Though the QB got a lot more accurate with his passes late in the game, it seems a better mixture of run and pass would've produced better results.

[dudeitsaid]

Still 3-1

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I knew that one was coming! I guess until we match the win total of SHSU against us, we still need to hear about how much better they are.

Of course, from this thread, unfortunately, neither team will EVER be able to compete with the top team(s) from the MVFC. Sheesh.

[Texas]

I knew that one was coming! I guess until we match the win total of SHSU against us, we still need to hear about how much better they are.

Of course, from this thread, unfortunately, neither team will EVER be able to compete with the top team(s) from the MVFC. Sheesh.

It's a sad day when the MVFC circle jerk over takes the Big Sky's.

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[Screamin_Eagle174]

Calling someone a bitch huh? Remind me who goes MIA after losses like a bitch, that's right it's you.

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I couldn't hear you over the butthurt, you bitch.

[Texas]

I couldn't hear you over the butthurt, you bitch.

You make me laugh. The guy who hides from internet forums after a football game loss is calling me a bitch. Hahahahaha.

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[Red & Black]

Completely agree, there is much potential out there on both sides for improvement and it doesn't seem to me like it's too far out of hand to catch stride on both teams after about game 5 we will be seeing some very good football from both teams.
Agree. Our defense was poor, but a couple of things to consider:
1) We had zero film on SHSU's new offense or any of their 20+ transfers or other newcomers. They had tons of film on us, and specifically, Adams.
2) Our defense "only" gave up 28 points, whereas theirs gave up 56.

[Sammy94]

Good luck the rest of the way EWU, hopefully we will meet again in Dec. I have no doubt they will remember the class of running up the score. Guess I shouldn't expect anything different from the Big Sky because beating SHSU doesn't happen every year.

[FormerPokeCenter]

I'm a firm believer in taking your ass whipping like a man....if the score differential is higher than you'd like it to be, you've got two options....

Either figure out how to score more....or figure out how to keep your opponent from scoring more...

When UNI and Jacksonville beat the dog snot out of us last year, we simply congratulated them and filed it away for future refrence and for off-season motivation.

Whining and Mewling is unbecoming ;)

[kalm]

My take away...

1) SHSU is big, fast, and talented.

2) It's been mentioned already, but the thugishness was top shelf. They had VA and Forte on their backs twice, shoving after play had been stopped. One wasn't called at all, the other was the off-setting penalties. I would have assumed that Keeler was more of a disciplinarian. Hopefully, for their sake, the cheap shots get fixed.

3) EWU's linebacking corps which should be a strength didn't play a very good game IMHO.

4) EWU's o-line looks really, really good.

5) SHSU got half their yards on two big plays. Otherwise, their rush blocking didn't impress.

6) That being said, if Johnson can keep gaining confidence and accuracy like he did in the second half, they might end up having a very difficult offense to contend with.

7) I know SHSU didn't blitz on every down, but it seemed like it.

8) The red turf is as gorgeous as the first day it debuted, and the view from Roos overlooking the Palouse and the foothills of Idaho is still a site to behold.

[kalm]

Good luck the rest of the way EWU, hopefully we will meet again in Dec. I have no doubt they will remember the class of running up the score. Guess I shouldn't expect anything different from the Big Sky because beating SHSU doesn't happen every year.

Wut?

[Sammy94]

VA is the definition of thug or maybe you call it swag? I'll take the view from Wash-grizzly any day.

[clenz]

My take away...

1) SHSU is big, fast, and talented.

2) It's been mentioned already, but the thugishness was top shelf. They had VA and Forte on their backs twice, shoving after play had been stopped. One wasn't called at all, the other was the off-setting penalties. I would have assumed that Keeler was more of a disciplinarian. Hopefully, for their sake, the cheap shots get fixed.

3) EWU's linebacking corps which should be a strength didn't play a very good game IMHO.

4) EWU's o-line looks really, really good.

5) SHSU got half their yards on two big plays. Otherwise, their rush blocking didn't impress.

6) That being said, if Johnson can keep gaining confidence and accuracy like he did in the second half, they might end up having a very difficult offense to contend with.

7) I know SHSU didn't blitz on every down, but it seemed like it.

8) The red turf is as gorgeous as the first day it debuted, and the view from Roos overlooking the Palouse and the foothills of Idaho is still a site to behold.
Points 4 and 7 seem to directly contradict themselves

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[kalm]

Clenz...How so? They blitzed a ton, and we countered with good play calling much of the time and/or the o-line gave VA enough time to get rid of it.

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VA is the definition of thug or maybe you call it swag? I'll take the view from Wash-grizzly any day.

You say this only because you're sad today.

Long distance hug!

[Sammy94]

I say that because of what I saw. No hug needed. We scored 35 points against the #2 team in the nation with a offense that has been together for a week. New coach, new offense, and a new QB that couldn't hit an open Receiver in the first half. With 10 new starters on the defense, future is bright in Kat Land. Hopefully we will see you again.

[kalm]

I agree, loads of talent there. I'm giving you a LDH whether you like it or not!

[tomq04]

I would be legitimately concerned to meet SHSU in December, their team has serious talent.

[caribbeanhen]

Eastern's cheerleaders don't hurt the eyes nearly as bad as the field

as this game was on national TV , you can be sure ESPN had them bused in

[Red & Black]

I say that because of what I saw. No hug needed. We scored 35 points against the #2 team in the nation with a offense that has been together for a week. New coach, new offense, and a new QB that couldn't hit an open Receiver in the first half. With 10 new starters on the defense, future is bright in Kat Land. Hopefully we will see you again.Your offense scored 28. Against a scheme/players that we had absolutely zero film on, I'll take that. Your team had tons of film on us and we played like crap for the entire first half but still managed to score 56.

That said, SHSU has some big, fast dudes on that team. When they get it together it's not a team you're going to want to face in the playoffs.

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My take away...

1) SHSU is big, fast, and talented.

2) It's been mentioned already, but the thugishness was top shelf. They had VA and Forte on their backs twice, shoving after play had been stopped. One wasn't called at all, the other was the off-setting penalties. I would have assumed that Keeler was more of a disciplinarian. Hopefully, for their sake, the cheap shots get fixed.

3) EWU's linebacking corps which should be a strength didn't play a very good game IMHO.

4) EWU's o-line looks really, really good.

5) SHSU got half their yards on two big plays. Otherwise, their rush blocking didn't impress.

6) That being said, if Johnson can keep gaining confidence and accuracy like he did in the second half, they might end up having a very difficult offense to contend with.

7) I know SHSU didn't blitz on every down, but it seemed like it.

8) The red turf is as gorgeous as the first day it debuted, and the view from Roos overlooking the Palouse and the foothills of Idaho is still a site to behold.

Excellent post. Rep for you.

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I would be legitimately concerned to meet SHSU in December, their team has serious talent.Agreed.

[dudeitsaid]

Good luck the rest of the way EWU, hopefully we will meet again in Dec. I have no doubt they will remember the class of running up the score. Guess I shouldn't expect anything different from the Big Sky because beating SHSU doesn't happen every year.

Seriously, dude, if EWU was TRYING to run up the score, they would have been passing down field. We were giving our 3rd string RB some time in the game to run out the clock, and your D gave up huge chunks of yardage to him on back to back plays. Then your coach calls a timeout??? Why? What was the point of that? In any case, 1st and goal 6 inches from the goal-line, holding the RB back from the end-zone after those plays he made would have been a much bigger travesty than taking a knee at that point.

And talking thugs, most of the penalties SHSU received were well earned. I can only assume it was part of the gameplan to hold and tackle the receivers before the ball got there to keep us from scoring TD's. Which is odd considering our receivers weren't syncing well as it is. And, the SHSU fans at the game were pure class, but one of the players was reacting to some mild heckling from some EWU fans by telling them to F off and shut the F up, as well as other very poor responses. And the coaches did nothing about it. Maybe I am just not around the visiting players like I was today, but I would expect our players to represent our school better. I get emotion, but the coaches just letting that ride makes me wonder what kind of identity they want your team to have.

In any case, as said before, talent-wise, SHSU is going to be good, and I'm glad we finally got one from you guys. Both teams did not play their best football, but neither team should hang their heads.

[dudeitsaid]

Your offense scored 28. Against a scheme/players that we had absolutely zero film on, I'll take that. Your team had tons of film on us and we played like crap for the entire first half but still managed to score 56.


I thought that as well. It just seemed nothing came easy today. Some of the dropped passes were mind boggling. It was one of the ugliest games I've seen from EWU in the last three years. And we still pulled out the W. I know what this team is capable of when it is clicking. So I know we can expect some good things.

[Red & Black]

I thought that as well. It just seemed nothing came easy today. Some of the dropped passes were mind boggling. It was one of the ugliest games I've seen from EWU in the last three years. And we still pulled out the W. I know what this team is capable of when it is clicking. So I know we can expect some good things.

Excellent post. Rep for you as well.

[dudeitsaid]

Anyone know how to find out what the viewership was for this game?

[Rjones61]

I think something some people aren't giving credit for is that they didn't really have a way to prepare for SHSU's offensive scheme. New players, new offense, new coach, the best they could do is look at Delaware's films. But even that isn't reasonable, because different players will be utilized differently, even in the same scheme.

After halftime, SHSU scored half the points they did the first. After seeing some SHSU football, I'm assuming the coaches finally had better info to work with and make adjustments.

[Houndawg]

Only one penalty on EWU in the first game? Home cookin'....

[skinny_uncle]

Only one penalty on EWU in the first game? Home cookin'....

There might have been more, but it is tough to see a red flag on a red field.
xeyebrowx

[Red & Black]

Only one penalty on EWU in the first game? Home cookin'....

Did you watch the game?


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[LuckyKat]

Sloppy on the SHSU Side, The Zebras werent very nice to Us,
but all n all Nice win for EWU ,,

[LuckyKat]

Only one penalty on EWU in the first game? Home cookin'....

^THIS^

[McNeese75]

I could not watch the game live but stayed up until 1:00 this morning staring at my iPad. EWU will not want to see this team in December again. The Eagles will get more polished but they are going to get stoned again if there is a rematch. Our October date in Huntsville just got a whole lot more serious.

[Hammerhead]

I only watched the 2nd and 4th quarters, but it seemed like the announcers spent more time talking about the FBS "playoffs" than they did talking about the game.

[Red & Black]

I could not watch the game live but stayed up until 1:00 this morning staring at my iPad. EWU will not want to see this team in December again. The Eagles will get more polished but they are going to get stoned again if there is a rematch. Our October date in Huntsville just got a whole lot more serious.

I agree that they'll be a team to contend with. That said, we will get more polished. Many of those mis-cues today are plays we made 9/10 times last season. Adams will settle in and the offense will roll.

Our defense needs to improve, but we were playing several new players on the D. We also had zero film on the Bearkats new system and any of their players. Disagree that they'll stone us if we play again.


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[Rjones61]

I seem to remember Bearkat fans saying this was the best defense they have every fielded. xlolx

[centennial]

I seem to remember Bearkat fans saying this was the best defense they have every fielded. xlolx
It truly might be. Doesn't mean they know how to play together. Or their play calling was terrible. At the end of the season they would be a really hard win, even for NDSU.

[Lehigh'98]

It truly might be. Doesn't mean they know how to play together. Or their play calling was terrible. At the end of the season they would be a really hard win, even for NDSU.

Even for NDSU.....you guys are the best

[dudeitsaid]

Even for NDSU.....you guys are the best
It is an eligibility requirement that all players and coaches must be direct descendants of Chuck Norris.

NDSU is the only team to win a game scoring zero. Coincidentally, their opponents were the only team to end the game with negative points.

To give the illusion of competition, the Bison allows some of their opponents to gain positive yards and score. They are incredibly merciful to allow this.

But this year, they will not give up a single score or yard, as Norris wants to see total domination before retiring from pulling all of the strings behind the scenes at NDSU.

[centennial]

Even for NDSU.....you guys are the best
Who knows how this season will turn out.. I was just giving a compliment to SHSU. They looked solid even when giving a lot of penalties and making mistakes, and think they will be really hard beat once they gel. This has nothing to do with NDSU.

[Bison56]

I seem to remember Bearkat fans saying this was the best defense they have every fielded. xlolx
Neither defense was very good but as sloppy as SHSU was and to still be in that game it could be very scary if they get it all together.

[Lehigh'98]

I know, just breaking your balls. It just sounded funny.

[Red & Black]

They banned me over at katfans.com, and I wasn't even trolling. Talk about butthurt! xcoffeex

[NoDak 4 Ever]

It is an eligibility requirement that all players and coaches must be direct descendants of Chuck Norris.

NDSU is the only team to win a game scoring zero. Coincidentally, their opponents were the only team to end the game with negative points.

To give the illusion of competition, the Bison allows some of their opponents to gain positive yards and score. They are incredibly merciful to allow this.

But this year, they will not give up a single score or yard, as Norris wants to see total domination before retiring from pulling all of the strings behind the scenes at NDSU.

http://cdn.meme.li/instances/500x/53747540.jpg

[citdog]

http://cdn.meme.li/instances/500x/53747540.jpg


Don't you bitch and complain when others do the above to you?


ACCURACY and CONSISTENCY are essential to Liberty.

[dudeitsaid]

http://cdn.meme.li/instances/500x/53747540.jpg

LOL, that's fricken awesome!

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Classy EWU

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Almost as classy as SHSU players kneeing/kicking and shoving EWU players that were already on the ground...

[Screamin_Eagle174]

After sparing your team last year from total humiliation. Not worried you embarrassed yourselves today.

Still 3-1

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15 penalties, most of which were personal fouls, and that's just the ones they called...

Still 0-2 in the NC, you bitch.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Good luck the rest of the way EWU, hopefully we will meet again in Dec. I have no doubt they will remember the class of running up the score. Guess I shouldn't expect anything different from the Big Sky because beating SHSU doesn't happen every year.
I have no doubt our players will remember all the cheap shots and dirty play by SHSU. Not surprised in the least though.

[Sam_Kats]

Been out of pocket until now but want to say congrats to EWU. Hope everyone stays healthy & we're lucky enough to get a rematch in the playoffs.

My $0.02......

- Don't think I've EVER witnessed a game with that big of a difference in penatlies. 16 to 1?? Really...ONE?? Come on.
- Baldwin wants that last one back. Uncalled for
- LOTS of talent on the field for both schools; very entertaining offenses
- I guess I saw a different game. Yes, I saw some cheap shots but a) that's football and b) there was some black uni's giving the business as well.
- Good luck to the Eagles...great win

[aces1180]

I haven't seen this posted on AGS yet...First seen by me at BV. This has not been 'shopped.

LOL!

(http://i.imgur.com/RRq****.jpg)http://www.bisonville.com/forum/showthread.php?33461-official-photoshop-thread&p=898839#post898839

*I can't embed the photo because the link shows a couple words that are censored for some reason.

[clenz]

I haven't seen this posted on AGS yet...First seen by me at BV. This has not been 'shopped.

LOL!

http://www.bisonville.com/forum/showthread.php?33461-official-photoshop-thread&p=898865#post898865 (http://i.imgur.com/RRq****.jpg)

*I can't embed the photo because the link shows a couple words that are censored for some reason.
Turns out you can't link it either...xcoffeex

[BisonFan02]

I haven't seen this posted on AGS yet...First seen by me at BV. This has not been 'shopped.

LOL!

http://www.bisonville.com/forum/showthread.php?33461-official-photoshop-thread&p=898865#post898865 (http://i.imgur.com/RRq****.jpg)

*I can't embed the photo because the link shows a couple words that are censored for some reason.

'shopped EWU logo?

[Kabooom]

Kats had some real Studs....very physical team. Could be a serious condender for the title.....IF they're capable of using some Wit...

If there were no Refs in this game, I think the Kats would have smoked the Eags...I mean just imagine how sucsessful they would have been? Of course I'm talking about a scenario where the Eags would still have to follow the Rule Book...xlolx

Anybody have a Clue where the REF Crew was from??...............Didn't look like a Big Sky Reffing crew..

Maybe if we new the answer to that , we could form some type of Conspiracy Theory...

xcoffeex

BEAT STATE!

[clenz]

Doesn't the road team usually bring the crew in OOC games?

[aces1180]

Turns out you can't link it either...xcoffeex

Fixed...It should take you to the photo now.

[clenz]

Fixed...It should take you to the photo now.
They must have given that to him for the photo.

He was wearing a navy blue v neck during the game.

[Kabooom]

Doesn't the road team usually bring the crew in OOC games?

....That is what I always my belief..Clenz....

I was hoping a BearKat Fan would confirm this..xnottalkingx

[Nickels]

dbl post

[Nickels]

EWU Class -


...But the Bearkats had to overcome a lot more than just themselves. They had to overcome a disorganized environment that nearly snowballed into an all-out brawl.

While exiting the field, Sam Houston players and coaches were forced to walk through a slew of fans, some of whom consumed copious amounts of alcohol in the parking lot before the game and in the stadium during it.

As the Bearkats attempted to weave their way through traffic and make their way to the locker room, Eastern Washington fans relentlessly taunted Sam Houston players and coaches. There were no barricades to stop drunk fans from physically assaulting Bearkats players and coaches, and the two police officers who cared enough to step in and deter Eagles fans from starting trouble were hardly enough to prevent any conflicts.

And there were conflicts.

After the game, Keeler and strength coach Brian Hess had to separate several Bearkats’ players and coaches from fans attempting to start a fight.

There’s no question that Sam Houston players and coaches should have known better than to engage with fans after the game. It’s hard to blame Eastern Washington fans as well, because when given a unique opportunity to interact with an opposing team’s players after winning a heated rivalry game, it’s only human nature to rub it in. Alcohol only adds fuel to the fire.

But Eastern Washington’s athletic department should have known better. Nearly every other collegiate athletic department in the nation has already figured out that it’s a bad idea to allow an army of inebriated fans unimpeded paths to opposing players after a game. I have no idea how Eastern Washington athletics is so far behind the times. Perhaps the issue never crossed their mind.

The Eastern Washington athletic department knew the game was a sellout. They knew there would be drunk fans walking through Sam Houston’s path to the locker room after the game. They didn’t know if any of those fans had snuck in a weapon. They had no idea how the circumstances would play out, and were willing to risk the safety of their own fans, as well as Bearkats’ players and coaches just because they didn’t care enough to organize a secure exit path from the field. It wouldn’t have required much effort, and could have avoided a potentially dangerous situation.

If there are no other areas for the visiting team to dress, then at least put up a rope of some sort to guide the players back and put several police officers there to ensure the safety of all parties involved. Neither of those things happened Saturday.

This situation was completely avoidable, and it shocks me that a top-ranked program could be so ill prepared to provide adequate security accommodations for a game of Saturday’s magnitude. They had months to prepare...

http://www.itemonline.com/sports/article_8c98bfb2-2c1a-11e4-94f5-001a4bcf887a.html

[NDSUstudent]

EWU Class -


http://www.itemonline.com/sports/article_8c98bfb2-2c1a-11e4-94f5-001a4bcf887a.html

Relentless taunting? I thought only Bison fans did that. The article states, "And there were conflicts." So what were the conflicts?

[Nickels]

Relentless taunting? I thought only Bison fans did that. The article states, "And there were conflicts." So what were the conflicts?

Can you read? It clearly states the conflicts.

[NDSUstudent]

Can you read? It clearly states the conflicts.

Relentless taunting? Fans trying to start a fight by taunting? Sour grapes much? It didn't say fans physically assaulted the players. All the article said was that there was a potential for it.

"There were no barricades to stop drunk fans from physically assaulting Bearkats players and coaches, and the two police officers who cared enough to step in and deter Eagles fans from starting trouble were hardly enough to prevent any conflicts."

So according to the SHSU, drunk fans who restlessly taunt the opposition are trying to start a fight and physically assault the players? Come on.

[F'N Hawks]

EWU Class -


http://www.itemonline.com/sports/article_8c98bfb2-2c1a-11e4-94f5-001a4bcf887a.html

When you get your ass-kicked, write an article about how bad their crowd control was. xthumbsupx

As bad as some of the EWU fans come off in that article, it' still pretty lame to devote an entire story to it. xtwocentsxxtwocentsx

[NoDak 4 Ever]

EWU Class -


http://www.itemonline.com/sports/article_8c98bfb2-2c1a-11e4-94f5-001a4bcf887a.html

Is that better or worse than giving the middle finger on national television after losing?

[Nickels]

Relentless taunting? Fans trying to start a fight by taunting? Sour grapes much?
Not at all. EWU won. Good for them. After going 0 -3 against the Kats, their best team ever finally beat an undisciplined Kat team that's been together for a few weeks and got a lot help from the zebras. Not upset or concerned at all. The have the athletes and once they clean it up they will be a force by conference and playoff time.

I'm just pointing out the typical white trash behavior EWU displays. There was a similar incident in 2012 after the Illinois State game. Being classless douchebags is their M.O.

[NDSUstudent]

Not at all. EWU won. Good for them. After going 0 -3 against the Kats, their best team ever finally beat an undisciplined Kat team that's been together for a few weeks and got a lot help from the zebras. Not upset or concerned at all. The have the athletes and once they clean it up they will be a force by conference and playoff time.

I'm just pointing out the typical white trash behavior EWU displays. There was a similar incident in 2012 after the Illinois State game. Being classless douchebags is their M.O.
Every fan base has those people mine and yours included.

[Nickels]

When you get your ass-kicked, write an article about how bad their crowd control was. xthumbsupx

As bad as some of the EWU fans come off in that article, it' still pretty lame to devote an entire story to it. xtwocentsxxtwocentsx

It wasn't an entire story. It was part of one story about the game. There were other stories as well.

[Nickels]

Every fan base has those people mine and yours included.

I've never seen or heard of a Kat fan assault or try to start a fight with opposing players after a game. NEVER.

The worst I've seen out of our fans was after the UM semifinal in 2011. One of our drunk fans saw a griz player walking toward the locker room after the game a yelled at him "you just got ate up". His friends and others around called him out and he walked away slightly embarrassed.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

How many people were injured/killed? This sounds terrible.

[NDSUstudent]

How many people were injured/killed? This sounds terrible.
Cops were there and no arrests?

[NDSUstudent]

I've never seen or heard of a Kat fan assault or try to start a fight with opposing players after a game. NEVER.

The worst I've seen out of our fans was after the UM semifinal in 2011. One of our drunk fans saw a griz player walking toward the locker room after the game a yelled at him "you just got ate up". His friends and others around called him out and he walked away slightly embarrassed.
The article didn't say EWU fans physically assaulted anyone. All it said was there were no gates to stop it from happening. Great wording by the reporter talk about misleading.

The worst thing your fan base does is that stupid claw hand that you move in a circular motion.

[Nickels]

Cops were there and no arrests?

In english please.

[NDSUstudent]

In english please.
If there was a physical assualt the fan(s) would have been arrested.

[Nickels]

The article didn't say EWU fans physically assaulted anyone. All it said was there were no gates to stop it from happening. Great wording by the reporter talk about misleading.

The worst thing your fan base does is that stupid claw hand that you move in a circular motion.

There were no barricades to stop drunk fans from physically assaulting Bearkats players and coaches
You clearly has problems with the English language. I hope you didn't actually graduate from NDSU.

[Nickels]

If there was a physical assualt the fan(s) would have been arrested.

So everytime there's a robbery someone is arrested? You've got to be one of the dumbest posters on AGS... and that's saying alot.

Stop embarrassing an overall decent fan base.

[citdog]

How many people were injured/killed? This sounds terrible.

Kalm is day to day with a yeast infection........

[deez_na]

I heard Sam Houston has 19 FBS transfers. Anyone know if that's true?

[citdog]

Cops were there and no arrests?

NO COPS!

lunch optional

[Nickels]

I heard Sam Houston has 19 FBS transfers. Anyone know if that's true?

Yes...

http://www.gobearkats.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPID=11345&SPSID=92958

[OhioHen]

And for all you poll voters - remember that SHSU gave up 56 points. Not worthy of any Top 25 votes in the first week of the poll, IMO.

[Sam_Kats]

Ha. Fair enough but that offense is going to put up 50 on A LOT of people.

[Sammy94]

And for all you poll voters - remember that SHSU gave up 56 points. Not worthy of any Top 25 votes in the first week of the poll, IMO.

Must be one of those KC haters.

[dudeitsaid]

EWU Class -


http://www.itemonline.com/sports/article_8c98bfb2-2c1a-11e4-94f5-001a4bcf887a.html
Your players were just as bad...and they weren't even intoxicated!

That being said, I've seen and experienced bad behavior from opposing fan bases. It sucks, but when you mix alcohol with adrenalin, bad things happen. As much as some people will assert, this does not represent the entire EWU fan base.

[dudeitsaid]

Not at all. EWU won. Good for them. After going 0 -3 against the Kats, their best team ever finally beat an undisciplined Kat team that's been together for a few weeks and got a lot help from the zebras. Not upset or concerned at all. The have the athletes and once they clean it up they will be a force by conference and playoff time.

I'm just pointing out the typical white trash behavior EWU displays. There was a similar incident in 2012 after the Illinois State game. Being classless douchebags is their M.O.
I love when someone with zero class tries to call out people with no class. You say you don't care, but you come off as nothing but a whiner. Based on my interactions with Bearkat fans at the game, most are not like you.

I love the line about an Eagle fan sneaking in a weapon. What a joke!

I have never seen the team not have a fence between them and the fans as they walk back to the locker room. Unless things changed somehow, there has always been a barrier in the past.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Your players were just as bad...and they weren't even intoxicated!

That being said, I've seen and experienced bad behavior from opposing fan bases. It sucks, but when you mix alcohol with adrenalin, bad things happen. As much as some people will assert, this does not represent the entire EWU fan base.

What actually happened? Some feelings get hurt?

[Thumper 76]

You clearly has problems with the English language. I hope you didn't actually graduate from NDSU.

Nothing in the section you quoted actually says somebody actually assaulted anybody. It just says there was nothing there to prevent it. You are interjecting you own inferrences into it. Maybe you need reading lessons?

[FormerPokeCenter]

The problem here is that, unlike the previous games played in Huntsvegas, this time, the Sam Players had to immediately hop on the Department of Corrections bus, rather than go to the lockerroom.

It makes things difficult, to say the least, but weekend release conditions are weekend release conditions...

Perhaps Sam should have made their beefed up security needs known before game time, no?

Hopefully, this is a learning experience for everybody involved...

[Texas]

The problem here is that, unlike the previous games played in Huntsvegas, this time, the Sam Players had to immediately hop on the Department of Corrections bus, rather than go to the lockerroom.

It makes things difficult, to say the least, but weekend release conditions are weekend release conditions...

Perhaps Sam should have made their beefed up security needs known before game time, no?

Hopefully, this is a learning experience for everybody involved...

Hue hue hue hue prison joke hue hue hue hue.
Sad part is our students are learning to be cops, yours are the ones locked up in our prisons because they never went back to Louisiana.

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[Red & Black]

Not at all. EWU won. Good for them. After going 0 -3 against the Kats, their best team ever finally beat an undisciplined Kat team that's been together for a few weeks and got a lot help from the zebras. Not upset or concerned at all. The have the athletes and once they clean it up they will be a force by conference and playoff time.

I'm just pointing out the typical white trash behavior EWU displays. There was a similar incident in 2012 after the Illinois State game. Being classless douchebags is their M.O.

"Best team ever"? That remains to be seen. As of right now, 2010 was our best team ever, thank you very much.


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[Red & Black]

If there was a physical assualt the fan(s) would have been arrested.

By eye-witness accounts, there was one drunk guy who was arrested for being an asshole. He didn't physically assault anyone, as the article suggests. Pretty standard stuff. The article is highly embelished and borderline slanderous. I wonder if the author was even at the game.


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[caribbeanhen]

Ha. Fair enough but that offense is going to put up 50 on A LOT of people.

you better hope your QB finds his feet, and i mean that in more ways than one.... KC has a way to put the clamps on the Offense..... you'll see soon enough

[caribbeanhen]

By eye-witness accounts, there was one drunk guy who was arrested for being an asshole. He didn't physically assault anyone, as the article suggests. Pretty standard stuff. The article is highly embelished and borderline slanderous. I wonder if the author was even at the game.


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you do realize your drunk fan characterization as well as entire post captures about 33 % of AGS Posters right?

[IBleedYellow]

you do realize your drunk fan characterization as well as entire post captures about 33 % of AGS Posters right?
Hey! I resemble this remark, you jerk! ;)

[Red & Black]

Some of my observations from this game.

- SHSU is loaded with a bunch of big, fast, athletic dudes. The QB is a load, and if he can get his throws dialed in a little more, he's going to be really dangerous with the type of mobility he has.

- The SHSU O-Line is a talented bunch with a lot of experience to boot. I was surprised that they did not try to run the ball more and they may want to re-think the 3 and 4-wide sets and focus a little bit more on ball control because I think they'd be more effective doing that early on in the season until their passing game gets going. Their #1 RB is deserving of the hype and will rush for a bunch of yards this season.

- Overall, I thought the SHSU defense was pretty average, but again, there is some potential there due to the overall athleticism of the team. I thought their defensive line would be a little better than it was, but our O-Line was able to bust open quite a few big holes. The SHSU front seven was a little more effective in pash rush, however, and was able to force VA out of the pocket more than I would like to have seen.

-SHSU secondary was ok, but I felt like our receivers were beating them off the line and breaking free most of the game. The fact that they had to hold or literally take down our receivers one more than one occasion tells me that they knew they were in a mis-match.

-SHSU needs to play a little smarter and cut down on the penalties. Probably the most undisciplined team I have seen play since some of the Portland State teams of the past several years.

-Keeler was quoted as saying Adams brought his "A" game, but to be honest, I felt like it was a pretty marginal performance overall for him. His efficiency was well below last year's average and he seemed out of synch with his receivers quite often. It didn't help that we had quite a few un-characteristic drops from his receivers. I would rate an "A" performance for him akin to what he did to Oregon State, Montana, or Montana State last season. They will tighten that up as the season goes along and the offense should roll once again. Luckily, we play a sub-FCS opponent this weekend so there's some time to work on that stuff prior to playing Washington the following week.

-As previously mentioned, I thought EWU's O-Line was dominant for much of the game, and I was probably the most surprised with our power running game. Forte, and Moore (who is probably our #4 RB at this point) were sensational.

-EWU defense was playing several new starters, and it showed, although I was only really disappointed in the two big plays that we gave up. They will improve, but this is obviously not going to be the strength of our team and we will probably need to score a lot of points to beat the better teams in the subdivision this year (real surprise there).

[dudeitsaid]

Baldwin just described why he ran the ball in at the end. He said that Keeler calling a time out was a big factor. And he said getting to the 1 yard line, he felt it was the right thing for the O line and Jalen Moore.

That being said, he said he would do things differently in the future, as it wasn't wise to put the kickoff coverage team back on the field, risk injury, put the D back out there...but he got too into the emotion of wanting to give the TD to the players. He said it was never in his mind to stick it to SHSU. I'm sure most won't believe that, but I think that's true.

Finally, he said that if he was on the 10 or 15 yard line, he would have downed it. But ultimately, it is up to the other team to stop us. That being said, he would have done it differently if history repeated itself to avoid risking injury to our players.

Just passing on the info from the coaches show.

[citdog]

Baldwin just described why he ran the ball in at the end. He said that Keeler calling a time out was a big factor. And he said getting to the 1 yard line, he felt it was the right thing for the O line and Jalen Moore.

That being said, he said he would do things differently in the future, as it wasn't wise to put the kickoff coverage team back on the field, risk injury, put the D back out there...but he got too into the emotion of wanting to give the TD to the players. He said it was never in his mind to stick it to SHSU. I'm sure most won't believe that, but I think that's true.

Finally, he said that if he was on the 10 or 15 yard line, he would have downed it. But ultimately, it is up to the other team to stop us. That being said, he would have done it differently if history repeated itself to avoid risking injury to our players.

Just passing on the info from the coaches show.

You take a knee right there and go shake hands. It was a mistake on his part.

[OhioHen]

Must be one of those KC haters.

I've got nothing against KC. I AM against poll voters giving credit for expectations over ON THE FIELD PERFORMANCE.

[Sammy94]

I've got nothing against KC. I AM against poll voters giving credit for expectations over ON THE FIELD PERFORMANCE.

If that is the case then I don't see Sam dropping a whole lot. I think many people know the game was a lot closer then the scoreboard showed in the end and that Sam has plenty of talent to make another push into the playoffs. I saw lots of positives from the game for the Kats and what I have read that isn't just mine or another Kat fan opinion. If this team gels, QB finds the accuracy he had the second half and they all learn a little discipline they will be a force to reckon with come playoffs time.
You have your opinion and I have mine when it comes to the poll. I am one that you must be against because during the first couple of weeks when I vote its more about the potential I see instead of win/loss record or the previous year's success. Now once week 5/6 come around then I start voting like you but right now its just way to early for that IMO.

[kalm]

By eye-witness accounts, there was one drunk guy who was arrested for being an asshole. He didn't physically assault anyone, as the article suggests. Pretty standard stuff. The article is highly embelished and borderline slanderous. I wonder if the author was even at the game.


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This.

The barricades are typically up with fans waiting to exit while the teams leave the field. Don't know what happened this time, but the set up has worked for decades without incident.

Still, it's a crappy situation with few alternatives outside of a stadium overhall. It reflects poorly on our program and the U needs to address it, but I'm sure they already are.

As for Baldwin, he quickly admitted to the wrong decision, but after all the shenanigans pulled by SHSU I have to admit there was a there was a little schadenfreude.

Bottom line...I like it when our defense gives up big plays, we throw a pick six, the offense sputters for a half and we still put up 56 and win by 21.

[clenz]

By eye-witness accounts, there was one drunk guy who was arrested for being an asshole. He didn't physically assault anyone, as the article suggests. Pretty standard stuff. The article is highly embelished and borderline slanderous. I wonder if the author was even at the game.


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Maybe UNI is the exception here...but...

It's not "standard" to go to where the other team is leaving the field and be a complete ass bag...

Again, maybe that's just a UNI thing, but I've been to games in Fargo, Macomb, Iowa City, Ames, and a couple other places. There might be some small heckling but never anything warranting an article....or even close to.

[kalm]

Maybe UNI is the exception here...but...

It's not "standard" to go to where the other team is leaving the field and be a complete ass bag...

Again, maybe that's just a UNI thing, but I've been to games in Fargo, Macomb, Iowa City, Ames, and a couple other places. There might be some small heckling but never anything warranting an article....or even close to.

Again, the place where it happened is a convergence of the players barricaded corridor to leave the field, and the fans route to exit the stadium. Perhaps he went down there to specifically heckle perhaps he just happened to be there. Regardless, every school has ass bag fans just like this guy…including yours.

[Red & Black]

Maybe UNI is the exception here...but...

It's not "standard" to go to where the other team is leaving the field and be a complete ass bag...

Again, maybe that's just a UNI thing, but I've been to games in Fargo, Macomb, Iowa City, Ames, and a couple other places. There might be some small heckling but never anything warranting an article....or even close to.

UNI is not an exception. You are not being objective here and trying to paint a fan base with broad brush strokes when it's not warranted.

It sucks that this guy got so out of line that he had to be arrested and hauled off. I'm not dismissing the incident, but to think that these kind of things don't happen from time to time on college campuses everywhere is just being naive, IMO. Sometimes you get the occasional jackass that's so drunk that regular fans can't police them up. That's when the police need to get involved, and in this case that's exactly what happened.

Was there some other point you were trying to make, or do you want to just continue down this road of judging an entire group of people based on the actions of one person?

In 20 years of attending EWU football games I've never witnessed anything like this happen. That's not to say it never has, but to try and imply that there's some sort of serious problem is a bit over the top.

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[clenz]

UNI is not an exception. You are not being objective here and trying to paint a fan base with broad brush strokes when it's not warranted.

It sucks that this guy got so out of line that he had to be arrested and hauled off. I'm not dismissing the incident, but to think that these kind of things don't happen from time to time on college campuses is just being naive, IMO. Sometimes you get the occasional jackass that's so drunk that regular fans can't police them up. That's when the police need to get involved, and in this case that's exactly what happened.

Was there some other point you were trying to make, or do you want to just continue down this road of judging an entire group of people based on the actions of one person?


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My season ticket is right where the visiting team leaves/enters the field. I don't sit there during games, but I do pre and post game to let the traffic clear before I head home.

I've not heard, other than SIU in the late 00s anything take place. The one thing I do remember is SFA players sprinting across the field to our student section after they beat UNI and taking all kinds of ****.

I don't remember ever seeing someone arrested in the stadium, but you played it off as "pretty standard stuff".

To me, that isn't "standard"

[Red & Black]

My season ticket is right where the visiting team leaves/enters the field. I don't sit there during games, but I do pre and post game to let the traffic clear before I head home.

I've not heard, other than SIU in the late 00s anything take place. The one thing I do remember is SFA players sprinting across the field to our student section after they beat UNI and taking all kinds of ****.

I don't remember ever seeing someone arrested in the stadium, but you played it off as "pretty standard stuff".

To me, that isn't "standard"

Please go back and re-read my post, and then get back to me if you'd like. Thanks.


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[Red & Black]

Just read that the "author" of this fine piece of "journalism" was a student at Delaware during the 2010 championship game who is now a beat writer for Sam Houston State. Apparently his twitter feed is full of anti-EWU stuff dating back to then. Coincidence?


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[BisonFan02]

I'm not trying to stir the pot on this, but this isn't the first time recently we have heard about "incidents" involving the EWU home crowd. Someone is going to have to help me out here, but I seem to remember this coming up not too long ago as well. I could be totally wrong, but this is kinda deja vu to me.

[Nickels]

In 20 years of attending EWU football games I've never witnessed anything like this happen. That's not to say it never has, but to try and imply that there's some sort of serious problem is a bit over the top.


After the ISU-R playoff game, which EWU won, atleast a dozen of your fans stood at the same place, threw things at the players, called them monkeys, cussed them out, ect.

One of your own fans posted a video on youtube of it. Many AGSers watched it before it was taken down.

This was the my introduction to the EWU fan base and I haven't had a lick of respect for you douche bags ever since. Clearly classlessness is culture problem in Cheney.

This is not the first time **** like this has happened.

[tomq04]

The only time I was appalled at our fan behavior was at the 2012 semi finals and we boo'd our own damn team for almost pulling off the greatest comeback. I recall trying to cheer them on as they left the field for a whale of a season...but no, a bunch of assholes boo'd them.
/rant

[BisonFan02]

After the ISU-R playoff game, which EWU won, atleast a dozen of your fans stood at the same place, threw things at the players, called them monkeys, cussed them out, ect.

One of your own fans posted a video on youtube of it. Many AGSers watched it before it was taken down.

This is not the first time **** like this has happened.

and maybe this is what I was thinking of.....gonna have to dig for the thread later.

[Nickels]

and maybe this is what I was thinking of.....gonna have to dig for the thread later.
It's in this thread somewhere. It's a 161 page thread and I don't have the time to find it but it is discussed in the thread by EWU fans.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?125813-Sam-Houston-Eastern-Washington/page58&highlight=video+fans



That being said, that video of the EWU fans behavior towards the Redbirds is embarrasing. Definitely classless.

[dudeitsaid]

My season ticket is right where the visiting team leaves/enters the field. I don't sit there during games, but I do pre and post game to let the traffic clear before I head home.

I've not heard, other than SIU in the late 00s anything take place. The one thing I do remember is SFA players sprinting across the field to our student section after they beat UNI and taking all kinds of ****.

I don't remember ever seeing someone arrested in the stadium, but you played it off as "pretty standard stuff".

To me, that isn't "standard"
Yep, all the other fan bases are under complete control. You'd nary hear even an F-bomb dropped by a UNI fan. The crime rate in that town is zero.

We all know, people do stupid stuff everywhere. It isn't "standard" anywhere. It's the exception, not the norm. I've been concerned about the safety of my wife at a game at another stadium, yet that fan base also acts like their fans are the most civil in the world.

Most EWU fans will call out douche behavior when it happens. Most don't think what this guy did was cool.

T
Ultimately, this journalist is just a poor loser trying to find a way to drop a deuce on our win. Sorry, the idiotic behavior of one fan doesn't detract from the fact we beat the Bearkats playing poorly by our standards.

And like Kalm said, I've never seen a lack of coordination in getting the other team back to their locker room like this guy described. But, he is the beatwriter for SHSU, so he must be the voice of objective truth.

[citdog]

I once punched a dude in the face at vermin who insulted my mother who is a distinguished graduate of that rotten institution. He remarked FU All The Time to her when she cheered a touchdown for The Citadel.

[Red & Black]

After the ISU-R playoff game, which EWU won, atleast a dozen of your fans stood at the same place, threw things at the players, called them monkeys, cussed them out, ect.

One of your own fans posted a video on youtube of it. Many AGSers watched it before it was taken down.

This was the my introduction to the EWU fan base and I haven't had a lick of respect for you douche bags ever since. Clearly classlessness is culture problem in Cheney.

This is not the first time **** like this has happened.

Oh, so you were there and observed this yourself?


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[Red & Black]

Yep, all the other fan bases are under complete control. You'd nary hear even an F-bomb dropped by a UNI fan. The crime rate in that town is zero.

We all know, people do stupid stuff everywhere. It isn't "standard" anywhere. It's the exception, not the norm. I've been concerned about the safety of my wife at a game at another stadium, yet that fan base also acts like their fans are the most civil in the world.

Most EWU fans will call out douche behavior when it happens. Most don't think what this guy did was cool.

T
Ultimately, this journalist is just a poor loser trying to find a way to drop a deuce on our win. Sorry, the idiotic behavior of one fan doesn't detract from the fact we beat the Bearkats playing poorly by our standards.

And like Kalm said, I've never seen a lack of coordination in getting the other team back to their locker room like this guy described. But, he is the beatwriter for SHSU, so he must be the voice of objective truth.

This. Exactly this. I doubt if something like this happened at a school that never wins any games it'd be talked about so much.

I wonder how this article would have read had the Mearkats won the game. My guess is it'd read a little differently. This dude is grasping. Sour grapes, period.


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[NDSUstudent]

And I thought NDSU fans had a bad reputation

[Red & Black]

After the ISU-R playoff game, which EWU won, atleast a dozen of your fans stood at the same place, threw things at the players, called them monkeys, cussed them out, ect.

One of your own fans posted a video on youtube of it. Many AGSers watched it before it was taken down.

This was the my introduction to the EWU fan base and I haven't had a lick of respect for you douche bags ever since. Clearly classlessness is culture problem in Cheney.

This is not the first time **** like this has happened.

Just stop with this crap. You are grasping, and it is unbecoming. Stop casting everyone in a single light because of a couple drunken idiots.

BTW, Keeler really needs to get that bunch under control if you expect to win any meaningful games this season. Multiple face masks, late hits, extra-curricular activity after the whistle had blown. Your team is lucky it wasn't double the number of penalties.


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[caribbeanhen]

"Solomon beat out USC transfer Jesse Scroggins (http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/500237/jesse-scroggins), LSU transfer Jerrard Randall (http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/517210/jerrard-randall) and Texas transfer Connor Brewer (http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/531056/connor-brewer). Rodriguez said he told the four of his decision Sunday night."

Is this somehow related to Sam Houston State football?

[Nickels]

Oh, so you were there and observed this yourself?


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Yes I observed the video.


Stop getting butthurt over actions that even Eagle fans find classless and embarrassing.
http://s30.postimg.org/qz6ztvldt/butthurt.jpg
Neg repping is for bitches.

[kalm]

I once punched a dude in the face at vermin who insulted my mother who is a distinguished graduate of that rotten institution. He remarked FU All The Time to her when she cheered a touchdown for The Citadel.

Animalistic violence is no way for a southern gentleman to settle a dispute. Pistols, man, pistols.

Smh

[citdog]

Animalistic violence is no way for a southern gentleman to settle a dispute. Pistols, man, pistols.

Smh

We only duel with our social equals..........

[YoUDeeMan]

We only duel with our social equals..........

xlolx Man, I love me some citdog. xnodx

[Sammy94]

Ultimately, this journalist is just a poor loser trying to find a way to drop a deuce on our win.

Perhaps it just wasn't the journalist?

http://www.itemonline.com/opinion/article_195022b2-2df4-11e4-b738-001a4bcf887a.html

[Catbooster]

Perhaps it just wasn't the journalist?

http://www.itemonline.com/opinion/article_195022b2-2df4-11e4-b738-001a4bcf887a.html

Good find.

That letter seems to confirm what the EWU fans have been saying, and partially confirm what the SHSU fans have been saying.

[tomq04]

I've often wondered why we don't cheer all contestants, particularly in a rowdy game like football. Gee thanks for showing up and beating up on each other, and likely losing to the home team.

[Texas]

Good find.

That letter seems to confirm what the EWU fans have been saying, and partially confirm what the SHSU fans have been saying.

EWU fans admit it on their own forums.

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[Grizalltheway]

I've often wondered why we don't cheer all contestants, particularly in a rowdy game like football. Gee thanks for showing up and beating up on each other, and likely losing to the home team.

Some people are just dicks, and sporting events provide them with a public forum in which to showcase their dickishness. Unfortunatley this probably won't ever change.

[kalm]

Perhaps it just wasn't the journalist?

http://www.itemonline.com/opinion/article_195022b2-2df4-11e4-b738-001a4bcf887a.html

It's something I would never do or condone, but having spent time on the sidelines in Washington Grizzly Stadium, I don't think we're alone (as the article suggests)