North Dakota AD willing to play two guarantee games at NDSU to restart the rivalry

[AmsterBison]

Agreed, but I believe that JT send an email in April 2011 providing dates in 2015 and 2017 and BF replied agreeing to those dates. Then over the next 3 years nothing happened. News accounts include comments about a contract being sent to review. So, you are saying if they would have accepted the terms in 2008 (NOTE: The same terms as 2011) a contract would have been signed. I think we would be talking about a 6 year period of nothing happening. Because I don't believe JT had any intention of signing a home and home. He was simply stringing along the process.

Even if true, I wonder where NDSU's AD (Gene Taylor) would have learned that trick? Here's a PSA for you: "We learned it from U, ND! We learned it from you!" :)

[MplsBison]

I wish more people would realize that it's Forum Communications that is pulling all of our strings. For those who are following this from outside, ForumComm is one of the major media companies in our neck of the woods. Unlike all the other companies around here, ForumComm has properties in radio, TV, and newsprint.

Their local properties consist of:

Fargo Forum - the major Fargo newspaper
Grand Forks Herald - the major GF newspaper
WDAY-AM - a major news/sports radio station that covers the Red River Valley
WDAY-TV - the Fargo ABC affiliate
WDAZ-TV - the GF ABC affiliate(mostly a WDAY-TV repeater)


WDAY-AM is always either the NDSU or UND flagship radio station(NDSU's for 40 years; currently UND's). WDAY-TV used to have a TV contract for one school or the other, but dropped the ball a few years back and lost both. They have recently upgraded equipment and rumors are they will soon try for at least one of the TV contracts. And obviously the Forum and Herald are the major print outlets for the two university cities(and they can share articles and research with each other freely).

So guess who benefits the most from a resumption of the NDSU/UND FB game? Guess who can charge more for advertising space? Guess who is pushing the issue in the press? Here are the names of the most vocal game supporters:

Kevin Schepf - happens to be the sports editor for the Forum
Dom Izzo - happens to be the sports anchor for WDAY-TV
Wayne Nelson - happens to be the sports editor for the Herald
Tom Miller - happens to be the UND sports beat reporter for the Herald
Brad Schlossman - happens to be the UND hockey beat reporter for the Herald
Joel Heitkamp - only one that's not a ForumComm employee, but works for NDSU's flagship radio station


I wish we would stop acting like these guys' puppets. The resumption of the game benefits NDSU a tiny bit, UND a little more, and ForumComm a whole heck of a lot. And they will keep pushing their agenda until they get their way or there's some kind of major backlash(and I have no idea what form that could take).

So ... your point is that you don't want a North Dakotan company and actual North Dakotans to benefit from the game being played??


That's half the point of why the game should be played every year, the positive economic impact for North Dakota!

[MplsBison]

The timeline of this whole thing is really weird with some significant unexplained gaps.

April 2010: UND demands yearly game, NDSU demands every other year at most. (this was the case from fall 2008 to spring 2011)

April 2011: GT offers two-game Fargo/GF deal for 2015 & 2017. BF agrees in principle, mentions meeting in person to iron out details. Nothing happens. (this is the email exchange from above)

January 2012: NDSU wins first national championship.

May 2012: During an interview, GT answers a question on the topic by mentioning he's told BF to call him when he's ready to move forward. No mention is made of the conversation from a year ago or if the current deal was still on the table. During an interview the following day, BF said he was going to mail a contract to GT using the dates agreed to over a year before. No confirmation that BF followed through.

June 2012: NCAA sends NDSU's championship banner to UND by mistake. BF talks to media before he calls GT about it. NDSU finds out when the story appears on the GFH and WDAZ websites.

January 2013: NDSU wins second national championship.

January 2013: BF emails a contract to GT using the April 2011 terms. GT says he'll get back to him. Apparently never does.

January 2014: NDSU wins third national championship.

January 2014: BF once again emails the April 2011 contract. GT counteroffers both games in Fargo. BF declines.

February 2014: GT offers $190k for one game in Fargo or $380k for two games in Fargo. BF declines and offers to change the 2017 GF date to 2018, 2019 or 2020. GT declines.

May 2014: GT offers $125k for one game in Fargo for 2015. BF declines.

July 2014: Just before leaving for Iowa, GT informs BF that the single game deal is off the table. Only deal on table is the two-game Fargo deal for 2015 and 2018/19.

August 2014: BF tells media he's considering taking the deal on the table. (the article that started this thread)



Questions:

1. What happened between April 2011 and May 2012? That's almost a year of time. Did the two of them not follow through with the face to face meeting? Apparently there are no emails or Brad Schlossman's FOIA request would have turned them up. Did the deal fall apart due to details that couldn't be worked out? There are no answers in published media reports.

2. During the May 2012 exchange: Were BF & GT in contact regarding the issue before BF mailed the contract, or did it show up out of the blue? Did BF even follow through with sending the contract? There is no mention of a contract being sent by UND or received by NDSU close to the time period in subsequent FOIA requests.



Sources:
http://www.bakkentoday.com/event/article/id/236635/publisher_ID/40/
http://localnews.twcc.com/article/360b70d9695749a2ab772f7155d11999#.U-f3YBEg9dg
http://www.grandforksherald.com/content/und-football-faison-may-be-willing-sign-ndsu-rivalry-without-guarantee-game-gf
https://secure.forumcomm.com/?publisher_ID=1&article_id=274103
http://www.bakkentoday.com/event/article/id/34045/

Did BF actually decline the May 2014 offer? He could have been considering it when ...

July 2014: Just before leaving for Iowa, GT informs the NDSU president and interim AD of his final "make a wish": one last personal slight against UND for what they did in 2004. Because GT apparently holds ten year grudges against people who weren't even involved in the original dispute.

[MplsBison]

Agreed, but I believe that JT send an email in April 2011 providing dates in 2015 and 2017 and BF replied agreeing to those dates. Then over the next 3 years nothing happened. News accounts include comments about a contract being sent to review. So, you are saying if they would have accepted the terms in 2008 (NOTE: The same terms as 2011) a contract would have been signed. I think we would be talking about a 6 year period of nothing happening. Because I don't believe JT had any intention of signing a home and home. He was simply stringing along the process.

Correct.

Gene Taylor was never going to sign any football agreement with UND. Over his dead body.


So, sorry to see Taylor go, but his childish attitude toward the game ("you're not invited to my birthday party!") is one thing I won't miss!


As I've always said, once Chapman, Kupchella, Thomas and Taylor all moved on, the game could be played again. They're all gone now. Let the games begin!

[Bisonoline]

Agreed, but I believe that JT send an email in April 2011 providing dates in 2015 and 2017 and BF replied agreeing to those dates. Then over the next 3 years nothing happened. News accounts include comments about a contract being sent to review. So, you are saying if they would have accepted the terms in 2008 (NOTE: The same terms as 2011) a contract would have been signed. I think we would be talking about a 6 year period of nothing happening. Because I don't believe JT had any intention of signing a home and home. He was simply stringing along the process.

Then why all the BS youve been posting? Why not just say this and get it over with then you dont waste your time and ours? Fact is all of your BS is just speculation. GT gave BF an offer but BF insisted that in be every year when he knew GT wouldnt do it. You should look more to home for your failures. BF was always behind the curve in negotiations and what the value of UND was in those negotiations. Now after all of this time he want to take the two games in fargo. Tell him to hurry up before we schedule somebody else. But them that would work well for you as you could then blame us again for you not scheduling the game.xnodx LOL

[Bisonoline]

Correct.

Gene Taylor was never going to sign any football agreement with UND. Over his dead body.


So, sorry to see Taylor go, but his childish attitude toward the game ("you're not invited to my birthday party!") is one thing I won't miss!


As I've always said, once Chapman, Kupchella, Thomas and Taylor all moved on, the game could be played again. They're all gone now. Let the games begin!


You are wrong again. Taylor just wasnt going to play the game is GF after we started winning Nattys.

[MplsBison]

You are wrong again. Taylor just wasnt going to play the game is GF after we started winning Nattys.

I've never advocated that NDSU should sacrifice having six home games in order to play UND every year.

That's one thing.


It's a completely different thing to purposely mislead a fellow athletic director simply because you have a personal hatred of the school because of what the former AD did!

[Bisonoline]

I've never advocated that NDSU should sacrifice having six home games in order to play UND every year.

That's one thing.


It's a completely different thing to purposely mislead a fellow athletic director simply because you have a personal hatred of the school because of what the former AD did!


Dont care what BS you are slinging. Its not factual. Its nothing more than your opinion.

[Bisonoline]

Is it possible for MplsBison to change his username to MplsWhioux?

Dewey

He doesnt care what side of the fence he straddles. As long as it leads to an argument.

[BisonBacker]

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I've never advocated that NDSU should sacrifice having six home games in order to play UND every year.

That's one thing.


It's a completely different thing to purposely mislead a fellow athletic director simply because you have a personal hatred of the school because of what the former AD did!




You have a very short memory Dont you?

[BisonBacker]

He doesnt care what side of the fence he straddles. As long as it leads to an argument.

You got that right!! I wish people would stop quoting him so I wouldn't have to see his drivel!

[frozennorth]

mpls = siouxvolley/star2city

[frozennorth]

BTW I haven't read most of this thread, but what occurs to me is that very few outsiders seem to get the NDSU/UND rivalry. It's total war. NDSU has it's boot on UND's throat and you have the nerve to demand they forgo their final victory for a game noone outside of the UND faithful really wants?

[frozennorth]

I....don't quite understand why so many UND fans want the game.

they've deluded themselves to thinking that Bubba is Roger Thomas and it's 1992 already and their are magically going to overtake NDSU because it happened briefly in the mid-late 1990's. These are the same people that thought they were a playoff team going into last season.

[Drblankstare]

Local news tonight says the game is back on. 2015 and 2017 both at NDSU. Haven't seen it verified anywhere else.

[IBleedYellow]

The fact that both games are at NDSU.


xslapfightx

Let the butthurt commence.

[centennial]

Joyous day for mpls. His 8 year fantasy has come true. Only UN_ gets treated like PVA&M.

[BisonFan02]

Joyous day for mpls. His 8 year fantasy has come true. Only UN_ gets treated like PVA&M.

Worse...I have a feeling the guarantee is much less per game and NDSU is making them come twice.

[centennial]

Worse...I have a feeling the guarantee is much less per game and NDSU is making them come twice.
100k for a short bus ride is good.

[BisonFan02]

100k for a short bus ride is good.

I believe NDSU covered all travel and lodging for PVA&M too.

[centennial]

Days inn rooms can be had for under $40/night.

[BisonTru]

[QUOTE=centennial;2131075]100k for a short bus ride. QUOTE]

FIFY


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[darell1976]

Second game is now 2019...12 game season, could be a h/h? Guess we will find out the details later.

http://www.grandforksherald.com/content/und-football-und-ndsu-rivalry-appears-be-back-track

[BisonFan02]

Second game is now 2019...12 game season, could be a h/h? Guess we will find out the details later.

http://www.grandforksherald.com/content/und-football-und-ndsu-rivalry-appears-be-back-track

Better not be.

[darell1976]

Better not be.

Why? You can still have 6 home games and an FBS game just like this season.

[BisonFan02]

Why? You can still have 6 home games and an FBS game just like this season.

Because NDSU can? Last contract known from GT was both games being in Fargo...unless something changed extremely recently (or an interim AD is making these decisions), I would expect both being in Fargo. I could actually see the H/H speculation for the 2017 date more than the 2019. Both of these games should be in Fargo...if at all.

[FargoBison]

It is 2 games in Fargo. Deal with it.

[darell1976]

2017 gives UND 4 home games (5 if you include the Fargodome;))

[BisonFan02]

2017 gives UND 4 home games (5 if you include the Fargodome;))

If (not sure why an IF at this point) both games are in Fargo, are you going to start a Fire Faison thread over at your home board?

[BisonFan02]

2017 gives UND 4 home games (5 if you include the Fargodome;))

Dream on...you guys don't even have hometown crowds in your own building.

[darell1976]

Dream on...you guys don't even have hometown crowds in your own building.

How many times was your 18k+ fans pissed when UND won..oh yeah 4 out of 5 games. I think UND will be fine with the crowd.

[darell1976]

If (not sure why an IF at this point) both games are in Fargo, are you going to start a Fire Faison thread over at your home board?

No, not as long as it's in 2019. Then after that game will the rivalry continue, what's next??

[Bisonoline]

How many times was your 18k+ fans pissed when UND won..oh yeah 4 out of 5 games. I think UND will be fine with the crowd.

Whats your point?

[BisonFan02]

No, not as long as it's in 2019. Then after that game will the rivalry continue, what's next??

Another 2 game contract in Fargo....otherwise, UN_ can go **** off. This Pandora's box should never have been opened, but whatever I guess.

[FargoBison]

How many times was your 18k+ fans pissed when UND won..oh yeah 4 out of 5 games. I think UND will be fine with the crowd.
Sorry Darell but Bob Babich will not be leading our team out of the tunnel...

[darell1976]

Another 2 game contract in Fargo....otherwise, UN_ can go **** off. This Pandora's box should never have been opened, but whatever I guess.

You do know eventually the game will go to Grand Forks. Too many big shots with voices will make sure of it.

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Sorry Darell but Bob Babich will not be leading our team out of the tunnel...

No Rocky Hager either? :(

[Bisonoline]

You do know eventually the game will go to Grand Forks. Too many big shots with voices will make sure of it.

So? Again. Whats your point?

[darell1976]

I would like UND to schedule all 3 Dakota teams and rotate them. Until we all go FBS. ;)

[BisonFan02]

You do know eventually the game will go to Grand Forks. Too many big shots with voices will make sure of it.

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No Rocky Hager either? :(

..............who? The govt? UN_ going to cry to daddy again through the media? I'm done with this conversation...you guys can go start your countdown to 2015's super bowl. The Bison have another natty to go win.

[darell1976]

..............who? The govt? UN_ going to cry to daddy again through the media? I'm done with this conversation...you guys can go start your countdown to 2015's super bowl. The Bison have another natty to go win.

No, Dalrymple is an NDSU fan.

[Bisonoline]

..............who? The govt? UN_ going to cry to daddy again through the media? I'm done with this conversation...you guys can go start your countdown to 2015's super bowl. The Bison have another natty to go win.

Yeah like the big shots made the game happen? Nothing but empty bluster. The scenarios these guys come up with are delusional.

[IBleedYellow]

Just saying, the GF Herald is the only source that thinks the game will be in 2019. Originally reported to be in 2017.

[DJKyR0]

Just saying, the GF Herald is the only source that thinks the game will be in 2019. Originally reported to be in 2017.

Not the first time a newspaper reporting UND's football team as "competitive" has been mistaken.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Game was eventually going to happen.

I can live with the 1st 2 games in Fargo. Go to GF in a 12 game season and still have 6 home games, although 7 home games would be awesome.

[deez_na]

Darrell sounds really mad in here

[darell1976]

Darrell sounds really mad in here

Only mad if it was in 2017 that meant 4 home games. 2019 can still give us 6 home games as this is the only OOC game scheduled so far.

[deez_na]

Only mad if it was in 2017 that meant 4 home games. 2019 can still give us 6 home games as this is the only OOC game scheduled so far.

Ahh yeah i hear ya. That would be pretty lame

[MplsBison]

Comments:

- I correctly predicted the game would resume.
- I correctly predicted the game would resume in 2015
- I correctly predicted the game would not resume until all four of Chapman, Kupchella, Thomas and Taylor had left their respective schools. Not one full month after it finally happened? The game is back on.

- Terms look good. As Bisonaudit (one of the few good B'ville posters) correctly noted, the increase from $125k in 2015 to $140k in 2019 is not even a 3% annual rate.

- Sucks that the second game has to wait for 2019, but that's how it has to be because...
- As I correctly explained, NDSU must have six home games every season. That is a law (practically). So I knew Jeremy was full of hot gas when he tried to say that he was looking for an FBS game for 2015. NDSU now has its six home games for 2015 and it's the best FCS regular schedule the Bison have ever compiled (3 Big Sky and 8 MVFC)

- I don't think it will be logistically or financially possible for me at this time, but if 2015 would absolutely be a year to buy season tickets (including a mandatory TM gift donation)


- To those coward rats (344Johnson, among others): get out!!! We don't want you!! I hope the door knob splits your sore butt wide open on the way out!!!!

No real NDSU fan would desert student athletes over a game being scheduled. Coward. Rats.


- It's absolute horse manure that the Nickel will not be on the line. Horse manure. Fact of the matter is that UND is trying to use the nickname as an excuse to keep the Nickel in Grand Forks forever. Horse manure!

That is a slap in the face of every person who participated in the rivalry in the past (players, coaches, fans, everyone)!!

- If the Nickel is retired, then it SHALL NOT be in Grand Forks. It shall be in the state museum in Bismarck. A lawsuit is absolutely warranted. I'll donate toward such as lawsuit without blinking twice.

[BisonFan02]

Comments:

- I correctly predicted the game would resume.
- I correctly predicted the game would resume in 2015
- I correctly predicted the game would not resume until all four of Chapman, Kupchella, Thomas and Taylor had left their respective schools. Not one full month after it finally happened? The game is back on.

- Terms look good. As Bisonaudit (one of the few good B'ville posters) correctly noted, the increase from $125k in 2015 to $140k in 2019 is not even a 3% annual rate.

- Sucks that the second game has to wait for 2019, but that's how it has to be because...
- As I correctly explained, NDSU must have six home games every season. That is a law (practically). So I knew Jeremy was full of hot gas when he tried to say that he was looking for an FBS game for 2015. NDSU now has its six home games for 2015 and it's the best FCS regular schedule the Bison have ever compiled (3 Big Sky and 8 MVFC)

- I don't think it will be logistically or financially possible for me at this time, but if 2015 would absolutely be a year to buy season tickets (including a mandatory TM gift donation)


- To those coward rats (344Johnson, among others): get out!!! We don't want you!! I hope the door knob splits your sore butt wide open on the way out!!!!

No real NDSU fan would desert student athletes over a game being scheduled. Coward. Rats.


- It's absolute horse manure that the Nickel will not be on the line. Horse manure. Fact of the matter is that UND is trying to use the nickname as an excuse to keep the Nickel in Grand Forks forever. Horse manure!

That is a slap in the face of every person who participated in the rivalry in the past (players, coaches, fans, everyone)!!

- If the Nickel is retired, then it SHALL NOT be in Grand Forks. It shall be in the state museum in Bismarck. A lawsuit is absolutely warranted. I'll donate toward such as lawsuit without blinking twice.

Good luck. None available unless someone releases theirs.

[NDSUstudent]

Good luck. None available unless someone releases theirs.

Waiting list of 4,000+ lol I am sure that will happen.

[BisonFan02]

Waiting list of 4,000+ lol I am sure that will happen.

No worries on my end....I'll sell MPLS a pair for the UND game at $500 each. :D

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/s526x296/10600434_10152389859158889_1982155097227162058_n.j pg?oh=ffa324b412b04326dcc743a751fe6d17&oe=54646278&__gda__=1417638791_247621d2ab09bfb480eb703f3b85188 2

[BisonBacker]

No, not as long as it's in 2019. Then after that game will the rivalry continue, what's next??

Listening to the news conference when asked about future games it was clearly stated by JJ "that was off the table" so no don't get your hopes up for a regularly scheduled game. 2019 was because it's a 12 game season.

[NDSUstudent]

Listening to the news conference when asked about future games it was clearly stated by JJ "that was off the table" so no don't get your hopes up for a regularly scheduled game. 2019 was because it's a 12 game season.

He did not even entertain the idea of going up there. Almost sounded like a 2 game deal and then nothing for a long time.

[BisonBacker]

He did not even entertain the idea of going up there. Almost sounded like a 2 game deal and then nothing for a long time.
I had to laugh when the question was posed by the reporter he barely had the words out of his mouth and JJ shut him down RIGHT NOW with the comment "Its off the table" there was no mistaking that. Nothing is on the table for anything after 2019. And before some goofball goes off and say's but but but I know there eventually will be other games but the bottom line is this isn't going to be an every year deal. If the knuckleheads from up North ever decided to get into the same conference as the rest of the Dakota schools maybe but until then it won't be happening every year. For the record I'm just fine with them being in a different conference and they say they are as well. I just don't understand why the big stiffy to play NDSU if they have moved on. They need to share that sentiment with their AD and tell him to quit whoring out their JV squad xlolx

[MplsBison]

Good luck. None available unless someone releases theirs.

That was the point.

My hope is that all these old men who were grandfathered into NDSU season ticket holder status (and thus don't have to pay their fair share) will succumb to their old man hatred/stubbornness disease and thus drop their season tickets and TM membership.

That should open some room for real fans.

[MplsBison]

He did not even entertain the idea of going up there. Almost sounded like a 2 game deal and then nothing for a long time.

Jeremy Jorgenson is a liar.

He lied in the media about trying to find an FBS game for 2015. Guess that didn't work out.


Perhaps when the 2015 game is a smash-hit with fans and they clamor for more UND games, he will quit his job in disgust. Fine with me. Not someone who should be representing NDSU, in my opinion.

[Bisonoline]

Jeremy Jorgenson is a liar.

He lied in the media about trying to find an FBS game for 2015. Guess that didn't work out.


Perhaps when the 2015 game is a smash-hit with fans and they clamor for more UND games, he will quit his job in disgust. Fine with me. Not someone who should be representing NDSU, in my opinion.

You are saying they didnt look for a FBS game. Source-Link?

[Thumper 76]

Jeremy Jorgenson is a liar.

He lied in the media about trying to find an FBS game for 2015. Guess that didn't work out.


Perhaps when the 2015 game is a smash-hit with fans and they clamor for more UND games, he will quit his job in disgust. Fine with me. Not someone who should be representing NDSU, in my opinion.

Thats a bold statement without a source to back it up. I mean you said it, so I'm not stunned. In other amazing news the Pope is Catholic.

[AmsterBison]

Thats a bold statement without a source to back it up. I mean you said it, so I'm not stunned. In other amazing news the Pope is Catholic.

Hah, I wish Bison fans could put MplsBison on ignore, or at least not respond to him so I don't have to see his endless trolling in quotes. Now, you're an SDSU guy so that suggestion wouldn't apply.

On the other hand, if people didn't respond to him, I wouldn't have learned today the MplsBison is considering getting season tickets to NDSU next year because the UND game is back on the schedule... which tells you everything to know about MplsBison right there.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

That was the point.

My hope is that all these old men who were grandfathered into NDSU season ticket holder status (and thus don't have to pay their fair share) will succumb to their old man hatred/stubbornness disease and thus drop their season tickets and TM membership.

That should open some room for real fans.


Oh boy, let me guess....You?

Those 'old' men are the ones that fund TMers there bud.

"Real fans" support their team no matter what; in good times and bad.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Hah, I wish Bison fans could put MplsBison on ignore, or at least not respond to him so I don't have to see his endless trolling in quotes. Now, you're an SDSU guy so that suggestion wouldn't apply.

On the other hand, if people didn't respond to him, I wouldn't have learned today the MplsBison is considering getting season tickets to NDSU next year because the UND game is back on the schedule... which tells you everything to know about MplsBison right there.



He's a UND fan.

[AmsterBison]

He's a UND fan.

Tough call. MplsBison is not exactly full of truthiness. Your conclusion makes sense if he's telling the truth - which is a mighty big leap.

The main thing his post showed is that he's even more clueless about NDSU football than I thought if he thinks that season tickets are there for the taking. However, I might be willing to sell my tickets for that game to him for $1000.

[Bisonator]

Just keep calling him Mplswioux.:D

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Tough call. MplsBison is not exactly full of truthiness. Your conclusion makes sense if he's telling the truth - which is a mighty big leap.

The main thing his post showed is that he's even more clueless about NDSU football than I thought if he thinks that season tickets are there for the taking. However, I might be willing to sell my tickets for that game to him for $1000.


True.

Funny thing is that I offered him a free ticket to the Indiana State game and he turned it down. Now that the UND game is on he thinks he'll get a ticket for that or try to get season tickets.

I cannot remember the # on the waiting list for season tickets but I think it is something like 4-5K.

You would probably get some interest for your tickets even at that price...xnodx

[BisonBacker]

Hah, I wish Bison fans could put MplsBison on ignore, or at least not respond to him so I don't have to see his endless trolling in quotes. Now, you're an SDSU guy so that suggestion wouldn't apply.

On the other hand, if people didn't respond to him, I wouldn't have learned today the MplsBison is considering getting season tickets to NDSU next year because the UND game is back on the schedule... which tells you everything to know about MplsBison right there.

He is on ignore for me but when others post his drivel then I still see it....clearly a oversight in the developers coding xrolleyesx

[MplsBison]

You are saying they didnt look for a FBS game. Source-Link?

Oh I'm certain he tried every last possibility to avoid having to schedule this game. I watched the shortened video of the press release (unless the whole thing was only 5 mins, I doubt it). He mentioned something about "cash incentives" from the Montana game that supposedly help justify not having an FBS game for 2015.

In order to make up the lost revenue from only having five home games he would've had to land a HUGE guarantee from an FBS school.

That was never going to happen, but in the Forum article not long ago he said they were still looking to find an FBS game.

I think that was all a bunch of bull. There was never going to be any FBS game in 2015, because of the Montana and Weber St H/H contracts. So he was just stalling as long as possible, so that hopefully something else would shake out.


The guy looks and sounds like a used car salesman. He looks and sounds like I imagine lakes does when he's cold calling people to sell ad space for the TV station. Maybe that's just the type of guy that works in sales/marketing. I don't really want to know.

[MplsBison]

Oh boy, let me guess....You?

Those 'old' men are the ones that fund TMers there bud.

"Real fans" support their team no matter what; in good times and bad.

Exactly.

Which is why fake fans -- the ones who are threatening to end their season tickets and TM donations because of scheduling a game -- need to get out! Make room for more real fans.

[MplsBison]

True.

Funny thing is that I offered him a free ticket to the Indiana State game and he turned it down. Now that the UND game is on he thinks he'll get a ticket for that or try to get season tickets.

I cannot remember the # on the waiting list for season tickets but I think it is something like 4-5K.

You would probably get some interest for your tickets even at that price...xnodx

I said it may not be logistically or financially possible.

But we all know people on the internet, especially on AGS, see whatever they want to see. Carry on doing exactly that, sir.

[AmsterBison]

That really changes the math (or algebra) that NDSU doesn't charge face value for season tickets. Still, doesn't NDSU charge more for season tickets in those years with more home games? I tried checking my order history on gobison.com but the Team Maker -> Account link appears to be broken.

[Bisonoline]

Oh boy, let me guess....You?

Those 'old' men are the ones that fund TMers there bud.

"Real fans" support their team no matter what; in good times and bad.

Hes trolling pretty hard with those two statements. LOL

[Bisonoline]

Oh I'm certain he tried every last possibility to avoid having to schedule this game. I watched the shortened video of the press release (unless the whole thing was only 5 mins, I doubt it). He mentioned something about "cash incentives" from the Montana game that supposedly help justify not having an FBS game for 2015.

In order to make up the lost revenue from only having five home games he would've had to land a HUGE guarantee from an FBS school.

That was never going to happen, but in the Forum article not long ago he said they were still looking to find an FBS game.

I think that was all a bunch of bull. There was never going to be any FBS game in 2015, because of the Montana and Weber St H/H contracts. So he was just stalling as long as possible, so that hopefully something else would shake out.


The guy looks and sounds like a used car salesman. He looks and sounds like I imagine lakes does when he's cold calling people to sell ad space for the TV station. Maybe that's just the type of guy that works in sales/marketing. I don't really want to know.

WHy would those two games have any bearing on a FBS game?

[344Johnson]

Exactly.

Which is why fake fans -- the ones who are threatening to end their season tickets and TM donations because of scheduling a game -- need to get out! Make room for more real fans.

Those aren't fake fans. They are a different sort of fan. Not something you'd likely understand.

[AmsterBison]

I'm begging my fellow Bison fans: STOP. FEEDING. THE. TROLL.

I've got him on ignore, but I keep having to wade through his endless stream of crap because Bison fans can't stop rewarding him. It's getting to the point that only options for not having to endure this crap is to put you guys on ignore or abandon this board altogether.

[Vitojr130]

Well I'm back.

I'll go on record as saying that I am excited to renew the rivalry.

I'm a little dissapointed that it won't be for the nickel anymore, but that doesn't matter as much to me as just experiencing the beating down of the fighting whioux.

[Bisonoline]

I'm begging my fellow Bison fans: STOP. FEEDING. THE. TROLL.

I've got him on ignore, but I keep having to wade through his endless stream of crap because Bison fans can't stop rewarding him. It's getting to the point that only options for not having to endure this crap is to put you guys on ignore or abandon this board altogether.

Yep. If we can get MPLS banned here and Lakes ACTUALLY banned from BV (no aliases) it would be a good day!!!!!

[citdog]

Yep. If we can get MPLS banned here and Lakes ACTUALLY banned from BV (no aliases) it would be a good day!!!!!


Doesn't a Bison Fan have a hammer or 10?

[Red & Black]

Confused on why we need two separate threads on this.

[darell1976]

Confused on why we need two separate threads on this.

Wait until the offseason and the week leading up to the game. There will have to be a new forum created just for this game.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Hes trolling pretty hard with those two statements. LOL


Ya, I should know better...xthumbsupx

[MplsBison]

WHy would those two games have any bearing on a FBS game?

Because they locked NDSU into a home game with Weber and an away game with Montana in 2015 (with the reverse being true in 2014). That means NDSU had only five home games with 10 games scheduled and only 11 games allowed maximum.

If an FBS game would have been scheduled for 2015, then NDSU would have only five home games plus the FBS guarantee money (minus expenses from the trip).


Instead, NDSU now gets a sixth home game and only has to pay a $125k guarantee for it. They've payed quite a bit more than that for the guarantee games in the last two seasons, if memory serves me (especially last year).

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Those aren't fake fans. They are a different sort of fan. Not something you'd likely understand.

You aren't an NDSU fan.

You've already declared yourself cut off. GOOD! Now get out!

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Well I'm back.

I'll go on record as saying that I am excited to renew the rivalry.

I'm a little dissapointed that it won't be for the nickel anymore, but that doesn't matter as much to me as just experiencing the beating down of the fighting whioux.

Well said, all around.

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Confused on why we need two separate threads on this.

It's not needed. The other (falsely titled thread) should be merged with this one.

[MplsBison]

I'm begging my fellow Bison fans: STOP. FEEDING. THE. TROLL.

I've got him on ignore, but I keep having to wade through his endless stream of crap because Bison fans can't stop rewarding him. It's getting to the point that only options for not having to endure this crap is to put you guys on ignore or abandon this board altogether.

You think PL can ignore me??

He derives 95% of the pleasure he gets posting on this message board from following me around and asking for "facts" or hurling personal insults at me.

[Bisonoline]

Because they locked NDSU into a home game with Weber and an away game with Montana in 2015 (with the reverse being true in 2014). That means NDSU had only five home games with 10 games scheduled and only 11 games allowed maximum.

If an FBS game would have been scheduled for 2015, then NDSU would have only five home games plus the FBS guarantee money (minus expenses from the trip).


Instead, NDSU now gets a sixth home game and only has to pay a $125k guarantee for it. They've payed quite a bit more than that for the guarantee games in the last two seasons, if memory serves me (especially last year).

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You aren't an NDSU fan.

You've already declared yourself cut off. GOOD! Now get out!

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Well said, all around.

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It's not needed. The other (falsely titled thread) should be merged with this one.

Thats all very obvious. So what your beef?

[Bisonoline]

You think PL can ignore me??

He derives 95% of the pleasure he gets posting on this message board from following me around and asking for "facts" or hurling personal insults at me.

Poor baby. But he does have a point. I shouldnt pick on you with all of your mental challenges and issues. Which probably brings to the fore front of your inability to deal in facts and rely mostly on total unmitigated BS.

Seek PROFESSIONAL HELP

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[Bisonator]

Jesus guys I think it's time to give it rest and start talking about THIS SEASON!

xdeadhorsex

[Yotes]

Is UND going to make a push for membership in the MVFC? They've already scheduled all three Dakota schools, plus Missouri State. Would the conference want another Dakota school?

[darell1976]

Is UND going to make a push for membership in the MVFC? They've already scheduled all three Dakota schools, plus Missouri State. Would the conference want another Dakota school?

Except NDSU is the first MVFC team we scheduled since 2008 that didn't accept a return game. ;) And no the eastern teams won't accept UND because of the extra travel to the Dakota's.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Except NDSU is the first MVFC team we scheduled since 2008 that didn't accept a return game.

Yet your AD still signed the contract.

[darell1976]

Yet your AD still signed the contract.

I know I thought I would just throw a little poke in there. No harm no foul. But I am sure you agree with me that UND won't have any chance in getting into the MVFC because of the extra trip to the Dakota's.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I know I thought I would just throw a little poke in there. No harm no foul. But I am sure you agree with me that UND won't have any chance in getting into the MVFC because of the extra trip to the Dakota's.

Not sure.

Depending on who stays/goes, it might actually prevent a trip to the Dakotas, just not a perfectly round robin schedule. Besides, who was thinking about travel when they took Youngstown?

[344Johnson]

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You aren't an NDSU fan.

You've already declared yourself cut off. GOOD! Now get out!

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It's not needed. The other (falsely titled thread) should be merged with this one.


... Not an NDSU football fan. Other sports will still receive my support.

[BisonFan02]

... Not an NDSU football fan. Other sports will still receive my support.

Oh FFS.....quit crying about it. Other sports like basketball? Guess who they play? I guess don't let the door hit your ass too hard on your way out.

[aces1180]

... Not an NDSU football fan. Other sports will still receive my support.

LOL...Go watch the Irish...Oh wait, a lot of their games are preempted by NDSU football.

http://arewefullyet.com/images/2012/12/nelson-haha.jpg

[344Johnson]

Oh FFS.....quit crying about it. Other sports like basketball? Guess who they play? I guess don't let the door hit your ass too hard on your way out.

I have no problem playing them in other sports.

LOL...Go watch the Irish...Oh wait, a lot of their games are preempted by NDSU football.

http://arewefullyet.com/images/2012/12/nelson-haha.jpg

I'll have no issue watching Notre Dame. Never have in the past and likely never will in the future.

One of the many perks to supporting the Irish

[MplsBison]

Thats all very obvious. So what your beef?

I'm glad it's obvious to you. It should be obvious to anyone that with those circumstances there was never going to be an FBS game in 2015.

Yet JJ lied to the Forum when he claimed they were stil looking for one. No, it was just a ploy to stall from having to sign a deal with UND and hope something shook free at the last second for a deal with another FCS team for the sixth home game.

[BisonFan02]

I'm glad it's obvious to you. It should be obvious to anyone that with those circumstances there was never going to be an FBS game in 2015.

Yet JJ lied to the Forum when he claimed they were stil looking for one. No, it was just a ploy to stall from having to sign a deal with UND and hope something shook free at the last second for a deal with another FCS team for the sixth home game.

Maybe JJ is still looking for an FBS game? The buyout for NDSU is only 125k. xlolx

[MplsBison]

Poor baby. But he does have a point. I shouldnt pick on you with all of your mental challenges and issues. Which probably brings to the fore front of your inability to deal in facts and rely mostly on total unmitigated BS.

Seek PROFESSIONAL HELP

You prove my point, of course.

That same cut and paste has been posted by you in response to something of mine completely unrelated to anything at least 10 times if not more in the last few months.

You enjoy posting it. You enjoy trolling.

[MplsBison]

... Not an NDSU football fan. Other sports will still receive my support.

Get out! We don't want your money or your support. In all sports!

The sad thing is that this is just some conjured feelings that you have because you think that's what your "elders" on B'ville want to hear. What a sick joke.

You weren't even around when the all the supposed "evildoings" were going on 2003/2004. So piss off, kid.

[MplsBison]

Not sure.

Depending on who stays/goes, it might actually prevent a trip to the Dakotas, just not a perfectly round robin schedule. Besides, who was thinking about travel when they took Youngstown?

YSU's closest trip to an MVFC game is 422 miles to Terre Haute. 700 miles to Cedar Falls and 800 miles to Springfield are the farthest, as far as original Gateway members go.

Of course, it's obvious what they were thinking back then. YSU was a DI-AA independent and had won the I-AA championship in '91, '93 and '94 with a runner-up finish in '92. They did win a title for the Gateway in '97, made it back to the title game in '99 (runner-up) and made it to the playoffs in 2000. But when Tressel left after 2000 they've done nothing for the Gateway or MVFC since, other than a run to the semi's in 2006.

And they're the only team not in the MVC or the Summit League to boot.

I'd be fine seeing them leave the conference and in their place welcoming Eastern Illinois back to their rightful home in the MVFC & Summit.

[344Johnson]

Get out! We don't want your money or your support. In all sports!

The sad thing is that this is just some conjured feelings that you have because you think that's what your "elders" on B'ville want to hear. What a sick joke.

You weren't even around when the all the supposed "evildoings" were going on 2003/2004. So piss off, kid.

I was at the last Nickel game. Where were you?

I don't know any elders on bv advocating for no longer supporting the university.

[MplsBison]

I was at the last Nickel game. Where were you?

I don't know any elders on bv advocating for no longer supporting the university.

I'm glad your parents took you to Grand Forks in 2003, so you could experience a true rivalry game (even if only as a child).

Like I said, you weren't around (affiliated with NDSU in any true capacity, being a child fan doesn't count) when the supposed "evildoings" were happening. So any "bad blood" feelings you have toward UND are entirely conjured. And you do so for the sake of trying to "bond" with older B'ville posters. That's what I'm getting at.

Only you're taking it way too far. So you should give up the act.


Or if you're really committed to withholding money from NDSU over something this insignificant, then shame on you and you can get out for good!

[darell1976]

Maybe JJ is still looking for an FBS game? The buyout for NDSU is only 125k. xlolx

I heard about the details of that. UND the buyout is 250k PER GAME, for NDSU its the price of the games, 125k, and 140k in 2019. It would be political suicide if either school bought out the game. Plus both teams had teams buyout games against them, the latest for NDSU was Montana State, and the only 2 for UND was Idaho State and Central Arkansas. So neither school wants to go down that road, plus on the UND end it completes our 2015 schedule, and finding teams aren't always easy. I hope fans (especially UND) don't get in a hissy over this little detail.

[SUPharmacist]

Maybe JJ is still looking for an FBS game? The buyout for NDSU is only 125k. xlolx

If that were to happen I would laugh uncontrollably for a day or so. After which it would dawn on me that I now support another Monta a State. I was not at all for these games, but now that they are scheduled I look forward to some intense games. It won't matter if NDSU is still on top with UND on bottom, even if the positions are reversed going into this game it will be hard fought players will step up for it.

[344Johnson]

I'm glad your parents took you to Grand Forks in 2003, so you could experience a true rivalry game (even if only as a child).

Like I said, you weren't around (affiliated with NDSU in any true capacity, being a child fan doesn't count) when the supposed "evildoings" were happening. So any "bad blood" feelings you have toward UND are entirely conjured. And you do so for the sake of trying to "bond" with older B'ville posters. That's what I'm getting at.

Only you're taking it way too far. So you should give up the act.


Or if you're really committed to withholding money from NDSU over something this insignificant, then shame on you and you can get out for good!

Lol this is all very rich coming from you.

[darell1976]

If that were to happen I would laugh uncontrollably for a day or so. After which it would dawn on me that I now support another Monta a State. I was not at all for these games, but now that they are scheduled I look forward to some intense games. It won't matter if NDSU is still on top with UND on bottom, even if the positions are reversed going into this game it will be hard fought players will step up for it.

Plus it doesn't make sense for NDSU to buyout a HOME GAME! Two home games to be exact. So this buyout thing is just there as part of the deal. I don't see either school buying out this game. I agree with you, no matter where the two are when this game happens emotions will be running high, the noise in the dome will be loud and it will be 2002 (last game in the Fargodome) all over again.

[BisonFan02]

I heard about the details of that. UND the buyout is 250k PER GAME, for NDSU its the price of the games, 125k, and 140k in 2019. It would be political suicide if either school bought out the game. Plus both teams had teams buyout games against them, the latest for NDSU was Montana State, and the only 2 for UND was Idaho State and Central Arkansas. So neither school wants to go down that road, plus on the UND end it completes our 2015 schedule, and finding teams aren't always easy. I hope fans (especially UND) don't get in a hissy over this little detail.

It was a joke.....I would hope, if NDSU were to exit the contract, they do it late in the spring of 2015 with a press conference announcing their newly scheduled FBS game. xlolx

[aces1180]

I'm glad your parents took you to Grand Forks in 2003, so you could experience a true rivalry game (even if only as a child).

Like I said, you weren't around (affiliated with NDSU in any true capacity, being a child fan doesn't count) when the supposed "evildoings" were happening. So any "bad blood" feelings you have toward UND are entirely conjured. And you do so for the sake of trying to "bond" with older B'ville posters. That's what I'm getting at.

Only you're taking it way too far. So you should give up the act.


Or if you're really committed to withholding money from NDSU over something this insignificant, then shame on you and you can get out for good!

I was...The feelings were legit and warranted.

But we got them to agree to a piss-poor deal on their side of things. The game was going to resume someday, so I'm glad it was on our terms.

[darell1976]

It was a joke.....I would hope, if NDSU were to exit the contract, they do it late in the spring of 2015 with a press conference announcing their newly scheduled FBS game. xlolx

So was the buyout. (cue the drums).

[MplsBison]

Lol this is all very rich coming from you.

What's the matter, did I hit the nail a little to close to the head for you?

Too bad. If you want to bond with grown-ups, then try acting like one.

[MplsBison]

I heard about the details of that. UND the buyout is 250k PER GAME, for NDSU its the price of the games, 125k, and 140k in 2019. It would be political suicide if either school bought out the game. Plus both teams had teams buyout games against them, the latest for NDSU was Montana State, and the only 2 for UND was Idaho State and Central Arkansas. So neither school wants to go down that road, plus on the UND end it completes our 2015 schedule, and finding teams aren't always easy. I hope fans (especially UND) don't get in a hissy over this little detail.

It completes NDSU's 2015 schedule also, giving the required six home games.

Zero chance NDSU buys it out, short of an impossible offer from an FBS top 5 program ($1 million guarantee or more).

[MplsBison]

Plus it doesn't make sense for NDSU to buyout a HOME GAME! Two home games to be exact. So this buyout thing is just there as part of the deal. I don't see either school buying out this game. I agree with you, no matter where the two are when this game happens emotions will be running high, the noise in the dome will be loud and it will be 2002 (last game in the Fargodome) all over again.

Like I said, the only way it even makes sense would be for NDSU to make more than than they would for a sold-out home game combined with the buy out of UND.

It would have to be a $1 million offer, which is more than any FCS team has ever received to my knowledge. It won't happen.

[MplsBison]

I was...The feelings were legit and warranted.

But we got them to agree to a piss-poor deal on their side of things. The game was going to resume someday, so I'm glad it was on our terms.

I was affiliated at that time too. And it did feel like a shyster move at the time.

But for cripe's sake, it was 10 years ago! No one is left from that era! Not the presidents, athletic directors or most of the coaches (just Bubba, I believe now).


As you say, it was going to happen. It's about time.

[aces1180]

I was affiliated at that time too. And it did feel like a shyster move at the time.

But for cripe's sake, it was 10 years ago! No one is left from that era! Not the presidents, athletic directors or most of the coaches (just Bubba, I believe now).


As you say, it was going to happen. It's about time.

There are still a lot of senior staff members left who went through the UN_ blackball (which is exactly what it was). I know many Teammakers who are against the game, but also know of some who support it. It really is a mixed bag.

We screwed them, and even though there was a never a formal apology (like I wanted in the Forum), we are paying them peanuts to come to the Dome with no return to GF in sight.

[darell1976]

I was affiliated at that time too. And it did feel like a shyster move at the time.

But for cripe's sake, it was 10 years ago! No one is left from that era! Not the presidents, athletic directors or most of the coaches (just Bubba, I believe now).


As you say, it was going to happen. It's about time.

Bubba left after the 2003 season to coach Minnesota-Duluth. And in 2003 he was just a DC with UND, so no power like HC Dale Lennon, HC Gene Roebuck (WBB), AD Roger Thomas, and President Charles Kupchella.

[344Johnson]

What's the matter, did I hit the nail a little to close to the head for you?

Too bad. If you want to bond with grown-ups, then try acting like one.

You haven't hit anything in a very long time....

The only bonding i will be doing with grownups will likely be on road trips with family to UNI and Iowa State this season..

[MplsBison]

You haven't hit anything in a very long time....

The only bonding i will be doing with grownups will likely be on road trips with family to UNI and Iowa State this season..

It's your choice to disavow your NDSU fan status. Just don't come crawling back. Ever.

[MplsBison]

There are still a lot of senior staff members left who went through the UN_ blackball (which is exactly what it was). I know many Teammakers who are against the game, but also know of some who support it. It really is a mixed bag.

We screwed them, and even though there was a never a formal apology (like I wanted in the Forum), we are paying them peanuts to come to the Dome with no return to GF in sight.

Who is left within the athletic department at NDSU, period? Amy, Troy, Pat and Jeff? Sure, they're around. But they weren't the key players in anything having to do with scheduling UND in football. Period. That was Joe, Gene and Craig.

Like it or not, Team makers members are not key players. Everyone is grateful for the money they pledge, but doing that does not earn them a seat at the table. They get one vote, one voice and that's Pat Simmers - a guy who has forgotten more about NDSU football than most posters here think they know. A guy who I'm certain is happy that the true rivalry is back.

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Bubba left after the 2003 season to coach Minnesota-Duluth. And in 2003 he was just a DC with UND, so no power like HC Dale Lennon, HC Gene Roebuck (WBB), AD Roger Thomas, and President Charles Kupchella.

Thanks for the correction.

So that means that none of the key players are still around. No one is left that is important. It's beyond ridiculous.

[aces1180]

Who is left within the athletic department at NDSU, period? Amy, Troy, Pat and Jeff? Sure, they're around. But they weren't the key players in anything having to do with scheduling UND in football. Period. That was Joe, Gene and Craig.

Like it or not, Team makers members are not key players. Everyone is grateful for the money they pledge, but doing that does not earn them a seat at the table. They get one vote, one voice and that's Pat Simmers - a guy who has forgotten more about NDSU football than most posters here think they know. A guy who I'm certain is happy that the true rivalry is back.

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Thanks for the correction.

So that means that none of the key players are still around. No one is left that is important. It's beyond ridiculous.

So if Troy gets the AD job, does he just forget what happened? There is more going the scenes than one might think.

[Bisonoline]

Who is left within the athletic department at NDSU, period? Amy, Troy, Pat and Jeff? Sure, they're around. But they weren't the key players in anything having to do with scheduling UND in football. Period. That was Joe, Gene and Craig.

Like it or not, Team makers members are not key players. Everyone is grateful for the money they pledge, but doing that does not earn them a seat at the table. They get one vote, one voice and that's Pat Simmers - a guy who has forgotten more about NDSU football than most posters here think they know. A guy who I'm certain is happy that the true rivalry is back.

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Thanks for the correction.

So that means that none of the key players are still around. No one is left that is important. It's beyond ridiculous.

You couldnt be more wrong. As usual.

[aces1180]

You couldnt be more wrong. As usual.

LOL...Do you know Pat?

[Bisonoline]

LOL...Do you know Pat?

If I dont then I really have to wonder who I was talking to last week. xlmaoxxdizzyx

[aces1180]

If I dont then I really have to wonder who I was talking to last week. xlmaoxxdizzyx

Was it this Pat, per chance?

http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/5/5/3/3/29063355.jpg

[Bisonoline]

Was it this Pat, per chance?

http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/5/5/3/3/29063355.jpg

It just goes to show that all he does if pump out a mass volume of BULLshat on subjects he knows nothing about hoping some of it will stick. The volume is so huge you couldnt research to refute it in your lifetime.

[MplsBison]

So if Troy gets the AD job, does he just forget what happened? There is more going the scenes than one might think.

They'd be absolute fools to hire Troy. He's not going anywhere if he doesn't get the head job. In other words, by hiring outside they still get to keep Troy for free.

The new AD will have zero experience with the bad blood of UND from the early 2000's. Good. That's how it should be and what it will take.

Old men will try to convince him that he should hate UND, but he won't listen. Thankfully.

[MplsBison]

You couldnt be more wrong. As usual.

Why would a guy who has so much personal experience and investment in NDSU's true rivalry, both as a player himself in the 70's as well as multiple sons being players in the late 90's/early 2000's, not want the rivalry to recommence?

Perhaps he was summarizing the collective sentiment of a few stubborn, hateful old men team makers - not his own personal views.

[SDFS]

... Not an NDSU football fan. Other sports will still receive my support.


Oh FFS.....quit crying about it. Other sports like basketball? Guess who they play? I guess don't let the door hit your ass too hard on your way out.

OK, now for the most important question, since you are giving up on NDSU sports.. does that mean you are going to stop trolling Sioux Sports.. xnodx

[344Johnson]

OK, now for the most important question, since you are giving up on NDSU sports.. does that mean you are going to stop trolling Sioux Sports.. xnodx

Giving up on football and future financial support.

My activity on a variety of forums depends on how busy I am with school

[BisonFan02]

Giving up on football and future financial support.

My activity on a variety of forums depends on how busy I am with school

Lakes level of garbage there....I'm announcing it...right here....that I will permanently withhold future financial support of _____________. Way to go out on a limb there.

[BisonFan02]

Giving up on football and future financial support.

My activity on a variety of forums depends on how busy I am with school

Also, this is a FCS FOOTBALL forum....who's your new team you root for then? Otherwise, stick to the lounge or wherever else you want to troll.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Giving up on football and future financial support.

My activity on a variety of forums depends on how busy I am with school



You a Bison fan?

xthumbsdownx

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

They'd be absolute fools to hire Troy. He's not going anywhere if he doesn't get the head job. In other words, by hiring outside they still get to keep Troy for free.

The new AD will have zero experience with the bad blood of UND from the early 2000's. Good. That's how it should be and what it will take.

Old men will try to convince him that he should hate UND, but he won't listen. Thankfully.


This game will never be an annual game unless FCS adopts a regular 12 game schedule every year.

I know you will spew out something that will be nonsense so go ahead.

[MplsBison]

This game will never be an annual game unless FCS adopts a regular 12 game schedule every year.

I know you will spew out something that will be nonsense so go ahead.

Not at all. Your statement is correct, with the additional qualifier that UND isn't in the same conference as NDSU.

It's more important that NDSU has six home games every year. But in years where that can be accomplished, then UND should be played.

[aces1180]

They'd be absolute fools to hire Troy. He's not going anywhere if he doesn't get the head job. In other words, by hiring outside they still get to keep Troy for free.

The new AD will have zero experience with the bad blood of UND from the early 2000's. Good. That's how it should be and what it will take.

Old men will try to convince him that he should hate UND, but he won't listen. Thankfully.

Troy would be a great hire, IMO.

[344Johnson]

Lakes level of garbage there....I'm announcing it...right here....that I will permanently withhold future financial support of _____________. Way to go out on a limb there.

.... Still in school. After I graduate... And have disposable income... NDSU will not see a dollar of it. Hopefully the first 40 grand or so was enough for them.

[Bisonoline]

Why would a guy who has so much personal experience and investment in NDSU's true rivalry, both as a player himself in the 70's as well as multiple sons being players in the late 90's/early 2000's, not want the rivalry to recommence?

Perhaps he was summarizing the collective sentiment of a few stubborn, hateful old men team makers - not his own personal views.

Youre talking out of your azz again. I can with certainty tell you what his feeling are about playing the game. You are wrong, Just STFU and move on.

[SDFS]

... Not an NDSU football fan. Other sports will still receive my support.


Giving up on football and future financial support.

My activity on a variety of forums depends on how busy I am with school

Seriously, best of luck in the future, stop at Sioux Sports and say hi every once in a while. Hey, do you want me to get you some tickets to a UND hockey game. Who knows one door closes and another door opens.. let me know.

[gotts]

.... Still in school. After I graduate... And have disposable income... NDSU will not see a dollar of it. Hopefully the first 40 grand or so was enough for them.

I have a huge problem when people say I've already given xxxxx to the university like they've made a huge donation when they refer to their tuition. Typically, don't you get a degree in exchange (provided you're worth a **** and can get through your classes)? If not, you're doing it wrong.

[Bisonoline]

They'd be absolute fools to hire Troy. He's not going anywhere if he doesn't get the head job. In other words, by hiring outside they still get to keep Troy for free.

The new AD will have zero experience with the bad blood of UND from the early 2000's. Good. That's how it should be and what it will take.

Old men will try to convince him that he should hate UND, but he won't listen. Thankfully.

I would think that the parameters for this hire are much more extensive than your example.
I do want to thank you for showing us your critical thinking skills. Please dont call us. We will call you.

[centennial]

.... Still in school. After I graduate... And have disposable income... NDSU will not see a dollar of it. Hopefully the first 40 grand or so was enough for them.
Strong logic. Keep your money. Not everyone has or wants to donate. I am not even sure what you are angry about anymore.

[Vitojr130]

Giving up on football and future financial support.

My activity on a variety of forums depends on how busy I am with school

thread tl; dr:
I assume you are not supporting NDSU football due to the recent decision to play UND.

Why? You sound like my 6 year old sister when she doesn't get her way. "I didn't want chocolate ice cream so now instead I'll sit here and drown in my own pity party."

I, being only a year older than yourself, have only heard rumors about "The Game." I've never experienced the rivalry as a college-aged adult. It's far different than when you were 12, or w/e. You may have supported NDSU then, but I assume your support and fandom only grew as you became a student. Then again, all your comments on here about it make me think otherwise. It's two games. Get over it. If a rivalry renews out of them, then great. It will do North Dakota, as a state, good. If not, then so be it - it was only 2 games.

[Bisonoline]

Giving up on football and future financial support.

My activity on a variety of forums depends on how busy I am with school

If you are giving up on football then you dont need to be here anymore. BYE!!!!

[Gil Dobie]

thread tl; dr:
I assume you are not supporting NDSU football due to the recent decision to play UND.

Why? You sound like my 6 year old sister when she doesn't get her way. "I didn't want chocolate ice cream so now instead I'll sit here and drown in my own pity party."

I, being only a year older than yourself, have only heard rumors about "The Game." I've never experienced the rivalry as a college-aged adult. It's far different than when you were 12, or w/e. You may have supported NDSU then, but I assume your support and fandom only grew as you became a student. Then again, all your comments on here about it make me think otherwise. It's two games. Get over it. If a rivalry renews out of them, then great. It will do North Dakota, as a state, good. If not, then so be it - it was only 2 games.

I remember the 1970's, 80's and 90's of the rivalry, dominated mostly by NDSU until the late 1990's. You think the messageboard dialogue with UN_ fans is bad now, multiply it times 100 when the games begin. Hope Ursus is ready for this ;)

[F'N Hawks]

I remember the 1970's, 80's and 90's of the rivalry, dominated mostly by NDSU until the late 1990's. You think the messageboard dialogue with UN_ fans is bad now, multiply it times 100 when the games begin. Hope Ursus is ready for this ;)

I actually think it will be the opposite. There will finally be a game result that will shut one of the sides up. Will there be stupid bickering? Yep.

But the constant, baseless crap will slowly go away because the game was actually played and hypotheticals will be irrelevant.

[Gil Dobie]

I actually think it will be the opposite. There will finally be a game result that will shut one of the sides up. Will there be stupid bickering? Yep.

But the constant, baseless crap will slowly go away because the game was actually played and hypotheticals will be irrelevant.

The weeks leading up to the game, will be unbearable, on these message-boards.

[F'N Hawks]

The weeks leading up to the game, will be unbearable, on these message-boards.

Tend to agree. Hopefully, after one game everyone settles down.

[darell1976]

The weeks leading up to the game, will be unbearable, on these message-boards.

Thats true, but the after game smack talk will be more unbearable though.

[BisonFan02]

Tend to agree. Hopefully, after one game everyone settles down.

It won't.....4 years of back/forth and "Yeah, well, we still have the Nickel! xlolx "...Its about as close to the Alabama/Auburn 30 for 30 that you can get as far as fanbase profile...little/no pro teams and captive/rabid fanbases....just a smaller scale.

[F'N Hawks]

It won't.....4 years of back/forth and "Yeah, well, we still have the Nickel! xlolx "...Its about as close to the Alabama/Auburn 30 for 30 that you can get as far as fanbase profile...little/no pro teams and captive/rabid fanbases....just a smaller scale.

But NDSU won't have the nickel, how can your fans say that? :D

[darell1976]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im2UUz_tEIw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwbop13A9yQ

[BisonFan02]

But NDSU won't have the nickel, how can your fans say that? :D

Who said I was quoting Bison fans? xlolx

[darell1976]

It won't.....4 years of back/forth and "Yeah, well, we still have the Nickel! xlolx "...Its about as close to the Alabama/Auburn 30 for 30 that you can get as far as fanbase profile...little/no pro teams and captive/rabid fanbases....just a smaller scale.

Even though the Nickel has been "retired", a new trophy should be brought out ONLY when they get into the same conference. Also the Nickel should be displayed in a museum with the Sitting Bull Trophy (winner of the UND-USD series) that was also retired. I don't think I have ever seen the nickel up close except being in the stands seeing it raised on the field.

[No_Skill]

It won't.....4 years of back/forth and "Yeah, well, we still have the Nickel! xlolx "...Its about as close to the Alabama/Auburn 30 for 30 that you can get as far as fanbase profile...little/no pro teams and captive/rabid fanbases....just a smaller scale.

...and it's North Dakota so their aren't any trees to poison.

[No_Skill]

Even though the Nickel has been "retired", a new trophy should be brought out ONLY when they get into the same conference. Also the Nickel should be displayed in a museum with the Sitting Bull Trophy (winner of the UND-USD series) that was also retired. I don't think I have ever seen the nickel up close except being in the stands seeing it raised on the field.

I used to walk by it all the time in The Union. It's a big sumbitch.

[NDSUSR]

Interesting the way UN_ decides when to retire trophies after they finally win them. Weak sauce.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

It's partly the fault of our Blue Key. They should rightfully insist that it go to a museum as it isn't "owned" by the winner.

[NDSUstudent]

It's partly the fault of our Blue Key. They should rightfully insist that it go to a museum as it isn't "owned" by the winner.

Last I heard was that our Blue Key was talking to the UND administration about it. Not a huge deal to me, I was in college when NDSU never played them in any sports. Let them keep the change, we will keep going for titles.

[aces1180]

Last I heard was that our Blue Key was talking to the UND administration about it. Not a huge deal to me, I was in college when NDSU never played them in any sports. Let them keep the change, we will keep going for titles.

I for one would like to be able to see it and I sure as hell am not stepping foot on the UN_ campus to do so...The Heritage Center in Bismarck would be perfect. They could put in a 360-degree display that allows people to see both sides of the trophy. Each side could focus on that particular school's football program. In addition, they could display the scores of each game where the trophy was up for grabs, along with its history.

[darell1976]

Interesting the way UN_ decides when to retire trophies after they finally win them. Weak sauce.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitting_Bull_Trophy

In 2000, the Sitting Bull Trophy was retired, amid the ongoing NCAA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Collegiate_Athletic_Association)controver sy over the use of Native American names and symbols (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_mascot_controversy#National_Colleg iate_Athletic_Association) by its member institutions.

Instead of blaming UND, try blaming the PC crowd.

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I for one would like to be able to see it and I sure as hell am not stepping foot on the UN_ campus to do so...The Heritage Center in Bismarck would be perfect. They could put in a 360-degree display that allows people to see both sides of the trophy. Each side could focus on that particular school's football program. In addition, they could display the scores of each game where the trophy was up for grabs, along with its history.

I agree with this.

[Gil Dobie]

The North Dakota Quarter of course. Says North Dakota and has Bison pictured.

http://www.theus50.com/images/state-quarters/northdakota-quarter.jpg