Missouri Valley on a playoff push

[darell1976]

It can happen if we get a TV deal. I don't think this is in the realm of possibility however. I want one DII from MN and another one from the eastern surrounding states to move up.

I don't think the Gophers would allow St. Cloud St, Mankato St, or Minnesota-Duluth to move up to DI except for hockey. I see them pulling a Nebraska.

[centennial]

I don't think the Gophers would allow St. Cloud St, Mankato St, or Minnesota-Duluth to move up to DI except for hockey. I see them pulling a Nebraska.
It would be bad for all the dakotas if MN got a FCS team. They would be an ideal fit into MVFC however.

[Bisonator]

I don't think the Gophers would allow St. Cloud St, Mankato St, or Minnesota-Duluth to move up to DI except for hockey. I see them pulling a Nebraska.

I agree, the UM will not let that happen.

[darell1976]

It would be bad for all the dakotas if MN got a FCS team. They would be an ideal fit into MVFC however.

Very true. Since the Twin Cities metro is a hot bed for recruiting for the Dakota 4 and UNI.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

LOL

No way does MN have a FCS program....no way!

St. Cloud, Mankato, or Duluth could not afford it.

[darell1976]

LOL

No way does MN have a FCS program....no way!

St. Cloud, Mankato, or Duluth could not afford it.

It wasn't long ago they were thinking of dropping football from budget woes.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

LOL

No way does MN have a FCS program....no way!

St. Cloud, Mankato, or Duluth could not afford it.

Of any of them wanted to go DI, they would do the same as Omaha and drop football.


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[centennial]

LOL

No way does MN have a FCS program....no way!

St. Cloud, Mankato, or Duluth could not afford it.
They do have enough students.
St Cloud St- 16k
Mn St Mankato- 15k
A little student fees could get them into D1 especially if the state backed it.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

They do have enough students.
St Cloud St- 16k
Mn St Mankato- 15k
A little student fees could get them into D1 especially if the state backed it.

They are all hockey schools, that's why I mentioned UNO


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[darell1976]

They do have enough students.
St Cloud St- 16k
Mn St Mankato- 15k
A little student fees could get them into D1 especially if the state backed it.

St. Cloud State did raise fees....and kept football.

http://www.startribune.com/featuredColumns/108570969.html


Students have been voting this week on whether to approve two increases in the activities fee -- one for 74 cents per credit and a second for an additional $1 a credit. Presumably, if both were to pass, draconian cuts to athletics would not be necessary and football would be saved.

[citdog]

They do have enough students.
St Cloud St- 16k
Mn St Mankato- 15k
A little student fees could get them into D1 especially if the state backed it.

In the South both of those schools would have long football traditions. Why don't they?

[darell1976]

In the South both of those schools would have long football traditions. Why don't they?

Because the DI football claim goes to Minnesota (Gophers), kinda like Nebraska can only have 1 DI football team (reason Omaha dropped football when they moved up), and Wisconsin has 1 DI school and ZERO DII schools (IMO).

[clenz]

In the South both of those schools would have long football traditions. Why don't they?

Same reason UN-O had to drop football and wrestling to move D1...and there isn't another D1 school in the state of Wisconsin.

The "big boy" in that state wants zero..absolutely zero...competition in sports that they care about/if at all.

The Nebraska system placed Alberts as AD at UN-O to move them to D1, and wait for the UN-L job. Well, the real motive there was to move UN-O D1 like they wanted, but kill football and wrestling in the process. The UN-O wrestlers won a national title and when they got home were literally locked out of the wrestling room and locker room. That's how they found out the program was dropped. Imagine winning a national title and just hours later finding out that your program was dropped as part of the D1 move by being locked out of your facilities.

Minnesota will never let another D1 school appear, nor will Wisconsin

[centennial]

In the South both of those schools would have long football traditions. Why don't they?
Like others have mentioned. U of Minnesota has a interest in being the only D1 school around. It wouldn't surprise me that they would put pressure on these schools to not move up or they would stop playing nice. Perhaps some native Minnesotans have some insight.

[YoUDeeMan]

Other than Coastal pulling the upset in Missoula last year, would have seen a 2 Big Sky/MVFC round two games.

Upset? xconfusedxxlolx

[MplsBison]

So, send UNI to the Dakota's three times?
Yeah, that **** isn't going to happen.

It's at 2 right now, and it isn't going any higher.

Basically you just admitted that it would only work if we you put UNI/NDSU/SDSU/USD/UND in the same side and rotated the others through - or the divisional format.


If you think UNI is busing to SDSU, NDSU, and UND in the same season you're dumber than I thought...hell, if you think UNI is busing to any of them other than maybe SDSU...MAYBE... you're dumber than I thought.


So...You're going to tell UNI that they have to charter three flights, or force a team to sit on a bus for 5-8 hours three times, per season.


You won't get Drake, UNI or MSU on board with that.

Try again - produce a multi-year rotation where the non-Dakota schools go to the Dakota's just once per season...

This is using Google Maps for what it's worth.

UNI to:

- Vermillion - 250mi (4hr)
- Brookings - 350mi (5hr)
- Fargo - 450mi (6.5hr)
- Grand Forks - 530mi (7.5hr)

- Macomb - 210mi (3hr)
- Bloomington - 280mi (4hr)
- Charleston - 380mi (5.5hr)
- Terre Haute - 420mi (6hr)
- Carbondale - 450mi (7hr)
- Springfield - 460mi (7hr)
- Youngstown - 700mi (10hr)

So only USD, WIU and IL St meet your criteria for avoiding a bus trip (<5hr). If you have to charter a plane, then the destination is irrelevant among those cities above.

But on the other hand, when you summarize the total time it takes from leaving the UNI campus on a bus and either just driving directly to the other school -OR- driving to the airport, unloading, going through security, waiting to board the charter plane, boarding, flying there, unloading the plane, loading the bus and then finally driving to the hotel, you're talking about an additional 3-4 hours on top of the flight time (depending on how far the airport is from the hotel).

So in that sense, it seems very silly to me having to charter an Airbus from Cedar Falls to Brookings.

But anyway...


If some MVFC teams are living with the reality of taking two Dakota trips a year already, then that solves the problem.

As I explained mathmatically, the Dakota Four would need 10 additional home games each year from teams outside the Dakotas and with eight non-Dakota teams leftover it means just two teams per year would have to belly up to an extra Dakota trip. That means only once per four years if everyone rotates through or if they limit it to just UNI, WIU, Mo St and IL St, then you guys would do it every two years while the farther eastern schools would never do it.


There are two other possibilities.

1) expand to 14 teams, then that would leave 10 non-Dakota schools and thus everyone would only need one Dakota trip per year, every year

2) unbalanced schedules, meaning two Dakota schools would only get three home games that year (rotate back and forth) instead of four.

[MplsBison]

I don't think the Gophers would allow St. Cloud St, Mankato St, or Minnesota-Duluth to move up to DI except for hockey. I see them pulling a Nebraska.

The University of Minnesota system has absolutely ZERO to do with the MNSCU system. ZERO. They're entirely separated.


So while that means Minnesota has control over Duluth in the same way that Nebraska has control over Omaha (in both cases, it's the same system), they can't control what Mankato St or St. Cloud St does one iota.


Now I could see Duluth pulling an Omaha and joining the Summit League as a DI basketball school. They have the market and they have the arena. Duluth is a fine town (to quote Forrest Gump).

And that would give UND yet another NCHC hockey member in the Summit (along with Denver and Omaha), giving them yet one more all sports (other than football) rivalry.


St Cloud I can't see moving up. Mankato I could possibly see. But as always, it comes down to money. Mankato would have to have a sugar daddy to finance the move. It would have to be Glen Taylor (no relation to former NDSU AD Gene Taylor), a Mankato alum and now owner of the Minneapolis Star Tribune newspaper. Let's just put it this way: he's loaded.

[BisonBacker]

LOL

No way does MN have a FCS program....no way!

St. Cloud, Mankato, or Duluth could not afford it.

100% correct!

[BisonBacker]

Same reason UN-O had to drop football and wrestling to move D1...and there isn't another D1 school in the state of Wisconsin.

The "big boy" in that state wants zero..absolutely zero...competition in sports that they care about/if at all.

The Nebraska system placed Alberts as AD at UN-O to move them to D1, and wait for the UN-L job. Well, the real motive there was to move UN-O D1 like they wanted, but kill football and wrestling in the process. The UN-O wrestlers won a national title and when they got home were literally locked out of the wrestling room and locker room. That's how they found out the program was dropped. Imagine winning a national title and just hours later finding out that your program was dropped as part of the D1 move by being locked out of your facilities.

Minnesota will never let another D1 school appear, nor will Wisconsin

This is also 100% spot on!

[BisonBacker]

Upset? xconfusedxxlolx

Yes it was an upset. Nobody expected that except maybe the Coastal fans and even they were likely skeptical it would happen.

[MplsBison]

This is also 100% spot on!

It's not spot on for Minnesota. The U of M has zero control over the MNSCU system. Mankato would need Glen Taylor to finance the move, but it's theoretically possible.

Wisconsin on the other hand has complete control over every public university in the state, as they're all part of the U of WI system. Which is too bad, because UW-Whitewater would be a good candidate to move up.

[thebootfitter]

I'm not usually a very vocal MVFC Homer, but after their showing today against FBS teams... It is hard to discount their strength, no?

[centennial]

I'm not usually a very vocal MVFC Homer, but after their showing today against FBS teams... It is hard to discount their strength, no?
Almost every year. That is why we rule sagarin and Massey.

[Lehigh'98]

NDSU looked fan f-ing tastic. Don't recall any others winning.

[Bisonator]

NDSU looked fan f-ing tastic. Don't recall any others winning.

Nope but also no 62-0 losses either......just sayinxcoffeex

[thebootfitter]

NDSU looked fan f-ing tastic. Don't recall any others winning.
Yeah, I'd say playing B1G teams close and holding one's own against a top 25 team from the SEC (outside of a couple big plays) isn't too bad.

Big Sky has two strong showings thus far too.

Edit: That's in addition to NDSU's strong win against B12.

[centennial]

NDSU looked fan f-ing tastic. Don't recall any others winning.
And your point. We did as well as any go5 teams. No one blown out. Everyone competitive. SDSU is still in the game with the Mizzou.

[Thumper 76]

NDSU looked fan f-ing tastic. Don't recall any others winning.

Dont recall any other conferences teams within ten in the fourth against a team like mizz either.

[smilo]

Nope but also no 62-0 losses either......just sayinxcoffeex

South Dakota hasn't played Oregon yet. :)i

Looks like CAA is headed for another one with JMU-MD right now though. Safe to say the gap between the Colonial's top 5 [Nova, Towson, W&M, UR, UNH) and next 5 [SBU, Delaware, Maine, JMU, Albany] (Excluding URI/Elon) is much bigger than I had imagined prior to the year. Nova was very impressive, W&M hasn't been bad and we've yet to see Towson, Richmond, and UNH play their FBS games. It'll be tough to match the MVFC performance (heck, your worst team put up a pretty strong fight albeit against the Hoosiers), but if 2 of those three could pull off victories that'd be a bit impressive. I do give the MVFC a great deal of credit for playing Iowa and Missouri close (probably even more so than NDSU's blowout of a bad Iowa State team). Youngstown's performance was overrated but alright for a 5th best team.

Two really great FCS conferences. I just wish our middle was stronger. Even Missouri State is coming through for you against another FCS power conference. Meanwhile we have Stony Brook losing to Bryant.

[Bisonator]

South Dakota hasn't played Oregon yet. :)i

Looks like CAA is headed for another one with JMU-MD right now though. Safe to say the gap between the Colonial's top 5 [Nova, Towson, W&M, UR, UNH) and next 5 [SBU, Delaware, Maine, JMU, Albany] (Excluding URI/Elon) is much bigger than I had imagined prior to the year. Nova was very impressive, W&M hasn't been bad and we've yet to see Towson, Richmond, and UNH play their FBS games. It'll be tough to match the MVFC performance (heck, your worst team put up a pretty strong fight albeit against the Hoosiers), but if 2 of those three could pull off victories that'd be a bit impressive. I do give the MVFC a great deal of credit for playing Iowa and Missouri close (probably even more so than NDSU's blowout of a bad Iowa State team). Youngstown's performance was overrated but alright for a 5th best team.

Two really great FCS conferences. I just wish our middle was stronger. Even Missouri State is coming through for you against another FCS power conference. Meanwhile we have Stony Brook losing to Bryant.

That USD/O game is gonna be ugly. Not sure that one is worth the money IMO.

[Twentysix]

Wisconsin has 4 DI schools, only one plays football.

Marquette, UW-GB, UW-Milwaukee, UW-Madison