#8 Furman @ #1 Appalachian State - Game Thread

[thirdgendin]

Kickoff for the unofficial SoCon title game is less than 30 minutes away.

Furman's last game against the top-ranked team was the 2001 championship game, a 13-6 loss to Montana.

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Go Paladins!

[Appstate29]

Literally 100s of people here in China, waiting for kickoff, yeah everyones pulling for Appalachian State. They hate purple in China, especially since I told them it was the color of the devil.

[mcveyrl]

Literally 100s of people here in China, waiting for kickoff, yeah everyones pulling for Appalachian State. They hate purple in China, especially since I told them it was the color of the devil.

xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

[BigApp]

Literally 100s of people here in China, waiting for kickoff, yeah everyones pulling for Appalachian State. They hate purple in China, especially since I told them it was the color of the devil.

ohhh, you're good. :thumbsup: Do they know we have a "sister" institution in China? (the name escapes me right now, I remember Borkowski being real big about going over there)

[crunifan]

Gotta support the purple team.

(And root against the meanies that stole our pretty trophy)

[thirdgendin]

Furman wins the toss and defers. ASU will receive to start.

[Appstate29]

of course i know of it, its Suzhou University, but I go to Zhejiang University in Hangzhou, which is much better

[th0m]

Normally, I'd root for the purple's...but we look better if ASU wins ;)

[Appstate29]

i just lost the Appalachian radio feed...

[mcveyrl]

i'm relying on this thread, i'm tivoing the game and listening to the jmu feed.

[thirdgendin]

App gets one first down before punting from near midfield.

Furman will take over at its own 17-yard line.

[thirdgendin]

Gray starts for Furman. Felton does not, as Brantley Kendall is the starting fullback.

[Appstate29]

3rd and 11 for FU at their own 16

[thirdgendin]

3 and out for Furman. ASU returns it across the 50, but a flag is down. Looks to be on ASU.

[thirdgendin]

Mountaineers will take over own their own 43 after the TV timeout. They win round 1 of the field position battle.

[Appstate29]

Radio feed for ASU is shaky, might have to listen to Furmans

[UMass922]

Furman recovers App fumble.

[Seven Would Be Nice]

i think my favorite thing about this game is that someone has to loose. :hurray: :hurray: :hurray:

good luck to both teams.

[thirdgendin]

Bad snap for ASU and Furman recovers!

[Appstate29]

hmmm unbelievable

[thirdgendin]

Back-to-back first down passes put Furman at the ASU 33.

No gain on first down. Flare pass to Gipson gives Furman another first down at the ASU 21. All passing on this drive.

[Appstate29]

Grey is limping apparently...

[thirdgendin]

1st and 10 at the ASU 11.

[Appstate29]

still has enough to run for a first down

[thirdgendin]

Bobbled snap on first down and timeout for Furman.

2nd and 9 at the ASU 10.

3:28 1Q

[Death Dealer]

ooooh! that was sorta a bad call....replay shows it was a fumble. Damn, I do not want to win on bad calls.

[thirdgendin]

Gray down to the 2! 3rd and 1 from the 2.

[thirdgendin]

Jerome Felton is in the game! QB sneak and Gray gets the first down. First and goal inside the 1!

[Appstate29]

Furman is about to score

[thirdgendin]

QB sneak by Renaldo Gray on first down...no TD.

[Appstate29]

got him the first time..

[thirdgendin]

TOUCHDOWN Paladins! Renaldo Gray QB sneak for a TD!

[Appstate29]

he got it on 2nd down

[thirdgendin]

PAT is good.

Furman 7
ASU 0

1:33 1Q

[Appstate29]

can't give up those turnovers to the Paladins

[Chi Panther]

wish I could get this on tv out here in Denver.....

I've heard ASU is HOT HOT HOT.....even when the weather is COLD COLD COLD

[Appstate29]

can we please hold on to the ball

[thirdgendin]

Another bad snap after a penalty forces 3rd and 21...incomplete pass, and Furman will get the ball back with good field position.

[thirdgendin]

Great punt by ASU. 52-yard punt gives Furman that ball at the 24 to start the drive.

[thirdgendin]

End of first quarter.

Furman 7
ASU 0

[Appstate29]

wish I could get this on tv out here in Denver.....

I've heard ASU is HOT HOT HOT.....even when the weather is COLD COLD COLD


Hold on one second let me look at the picture of me with the National Championship trophy, yeah...yeah...look at it...
oh yeah I concur, ASU is HOT HOT HOT even when the weather is COLD COLD COLD

[BigApp]

ooooh! that was sorta a bad call....replay shows it was a fumble. Damn, I do not want to win on bad calls.

i just sent the refs a text message to let them know that? One wrote back to thank me for the heads up. Look for the make-up call late in the 4th. :smiley_wi

[thirdgendin]

3 and out for the Paladins. After a Furman punt, ASU takes over at the 27...good job punting away from Dexter Jackson.

[thirdgendin]

ASU is moving the ball now. A few first downs have them down to the Furman 39.

[thirdgendin]

3rd and 4 upcoming at the Furman 33. 2 yard gain brings up 4th and 2.

[thirdgendin]

First down Richardson to the 26.

[BigApp]

touchdown, richardson

[texcap]

of course i know of it, its Suzhou University, but I go to Zhejiang University in Hangzhou, which is much better

The business school has a very big exchange program with Fudan University. Peacock set it up when he was dean about 10 years ago.

[thirdgendin]

First and goal for ASU inside the 2. Now it's a touchdown on a Richardson run.

Furman 7
ASU 7

~7:00 2Q

[thirdgendin]

Big drive upcoming for Furman. We need to get some points to take back the momentum.

[majorbta]

The business school has a very big exchange program with Fudan University. Peacock set it up when he was dean about 10 years ago.

Yea the Holland Fellows Program. I did it two years ago

[thirdgendin]

Stupid personal foul on Furman on the kickoff, but the first play is a first down pass out to the 21.

[thirdgendin]

A key pass to TE Brad Bell gives Furman it's third straight first down. Paladins have the ball at their own 44.

[BigApp]

The business school has a very big exchange program with Fudan University. Peacock set it up when he was dean about 10 years ago.

dayum, we all up in china

[thirdgendin]

25-yard pass, Gray to Stepp, takes Furman down to the ASU 31.

[BigApp]

boy, Wofford hammered ccc 35-7..tough times in the wheeeee

[thirdgendin]

ASU blocks the Furman FG attempt and returns it for a TD. Furman's terrible special teams show up again.

Furman 7
ASU 14
1:15 2Q

[Griswold]

:hurray: :hurray: :hurray: :hurray: :hurray: :hurray:

[thirdgendin]

Furman takes over at the 20 with 1:08 to go in the half.

[thirdgendin]

ASU calls a timeout with 22 seconds remaining. Smart move b/c you could block a Furman punt, force a turnover, etc.

[thirdgendin]

Furman gets the first down and ASU makes a personal foul. Paladins ball at the 49 with 15 seconds left.

[thirdgendin]

Gray gets nicked with 8 seconds left...doesn't sound good. Sorrels comes in for the end of the half.

Halftime

Furman 7
ASU 14

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

ASU blocks the Furman FG attempt and returns it for a TD. Furman's terrible special teams show up again.

Furman 7
ASU 14
1:15 2Q

It wouldn't be ASU-Furman without strange plays like this.

[Death Dealer]

Well, that's the end of the half......dumb mistake by ST's gives them the lead.:mad: Gray goes out at the end. :confused:

Citadel has beaten GSU, and Wofford rolled over WCU.

[BigApp]

Citadel has beaten GSU...

Wow, just.......wow

[Death Dealer]

It wouldn't be ASU-Furman without strange plays like this.

Yeah, I just wish it wasn't always us pulling the brain fart and Appy capitalizing on it.:bawling: :mad::bang:

[PaladinFan]

Brad Bell blocked out on the field goal and let Lynch run through free. So frustrating.

I'm a homer, but Furman definitely looks sound out there. R. Gray is picking apart that vaunted ASU defense. I hate that stadium.

Just win Furman, please.

[LarryBoy]

It's not looking good my fellow Paladins. Our offense played solidly the first half, and we held ASU to one TD on defense...and we're losing. And now Gray is out, and it looks like it's his ankle again. Felton has been in on a couple of downs as merely a decoy. I'll be insanely proud of our guys if we're able to pull this one out.

[Death Dealer]

My heart rate is like 120...and I have a resting heart rate in the low 50s. :D

[thirdgendin]

First half stats:
Furman leads in total offense 166-109, but the blocked FG was the difference.

Gray 10-14, 113 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT

Edwards 7-10, 54 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT
Richardson 13-64, 1 TD

Furman had the ball for 18:21 to 11:39 for ASU.

Furman will get the ball to start the second half.

[PaladinFan]

We can win this thing.

[thirdgendin]

It's not looking good my fellow Paladins. Our offense played solidly the first half, and we held ASU to one TD on defense...and we're losing. And now Gray is out, and it looks like it's his ankle again. Felton has been in on a couple of downs as merely a decoy. I'll be insanely proud of our guys if we're able to pull this one out.

On the radio, Coach Lamb said that Gray just rolled his ankle a little. He made it sound as if he would be fine, but we'll see.

[Death Dealer]

Go 'Dins!!!!!!:hurray: :hurray: :hurray: But we have to stay focused and not let dumb mistakes knock us out of the game......FOCUS!!!!!!!

[thirdgendin]

We can win this thing.

Definitely! There aren't many possessions today, it seems, so our first drive will be key.

[Death Dealer]

Boys it looks like another nail biter....maybe this time it will go our way in KB. :rolleyes:

[Griswold]

Who will have the wind behind them for the 3rd quarter? Is the wind much of a factor today?

[Death Dealer]

So far it doesn't seem to be hurting anyone....although Edwards hasn't thrown the ball as much as Gray....wind? I don't know.

[thirdgendin]

Who will have the wind behind them for the 3rd quarter? Is the wind much of a factor today?

With Furman receiving the 2nd half kickoff, I assume ASU would choose to go against the wind in the 3rd quarter and with the wind in the 4th.

[thirdgendin]

Gray is back in at QB, throwing a first down on the first play. That's a good sign. Unfortunately, we have no running game today with Felton out.

[thirdgendin]

Huge 3rd down and long conversion, Gray to Stepp for 13 yards.

[thirdgendin]

After a holding penalty, it's 3rd and 19 for Furman. Incomplete forces fourth down and a punt.

Flag on ASU on the punt will pin them back.

[thirdgendin]

ASU has moved from the 10 up to the Furman 47 yard line.

[Death Dealer]

Appy driving. Edwards looks better.....ughh.

[Death Dealer]

TD Appy.: smh : :bawling: : smh :

[Mr. C]

Richardson 39 yd TD run with tremendous block from freshman tackle Acitelli

[thirdgendin]

Uh oh, 39-yard Richardson run for touchdown. This is really scary for Furman now.

Furman 7
ASU 21
early 3Q

[Mr. C]

ASU safety. Murrell and Byrom stuffed Gipson in end zone

[thirdgendin]

Unreal. Furman will start its drive from the 1-yard line after the kickoff due to our returner apparently stepping back into the endzone to take a knee. It's going from bad to worse. ASU could break this open.

Safety ASU

[Death Dealer]

Appy is clearly the better disciplined team.....unreal! We just keep doing little things that cost us momentum and points.....we've been doing it all season, but now the other team is good enough to make us pay for it.:(

[Death Dealer]

What's next? Too many mistakes....Appy is too good for us to be sloppy....WTF?

[thirdgendin]

3rd and 5 for ASU here at the Furman 23. Big play.

Incomplete pass.

[thirdgendin]

ASU decides to go for it rather than kick a 40-yard field goal. Incomplete pass! Furman takes over on downs with 5:34 in the third quarter.

[Mr. C]

Touchstone interception on Furman third and 13

[thirdgendin]

3rd and 13 for Furman. Pass intercepted by ASU. Touchstone returns it all the way to the Furman 21 yard line. This game may be over.

[thirdgendin]

Furman's defense buckles down again and forces an ASU FG attempt.

38-yard field goal into the wind is...good.

Furman 7
ASU 26
1:56 3Q

A three-possession game now.

[BigApp]

FAKE PUNT? uhh that aint gonna work

[thirdgendin]

4th and 8 and the fake punt doesn't work.

[BigApp]

td richardson 33-7 apps

[majorbta]

attendance is 24,487

[Griswold]

TD ASU!!!


24,447
4th largest in history

[thirdgendin]

27-yard touchdown run by Richardson. 33-7 App. Game over.

[thirdgendin]

Congrats ASU. Aside from the kickoff mishap, you guys made all of your breaks today and clearly deserved to win. Congrats on the SoCon title (it's essentially yours now).

[CSU BUCS]

td richardson 33-7 apps
I really didn't see this.

[thirdgendin]

I really didn't see this.

Me neither, but it has snowballed lately. ASU has had a FG block for a TD, a safety after we started on our own 1, and short field FG and TD after an INT and a failed fake punt attempt.

Their defense has stuffed us for the most part, and Kevin Richardson has run all over us.

[PaladinFan]

No one did. Furman came out sharp. They looked like the better football team in the first half.

After that blocked field goal the wind just left the sails. Furman focused so hard on Edwards that Richardson beat us.

Only good to come of this is to know we get to whip their tails in Greenville next year.

[BigApp]

Congrats ASU. Aside from the kickoff mishap, you guys made all of your breaks today and clearly deserved to win. Congrats on the SoCon title (it's essentially yours now).

I respectfully disagree. We've got a classic letdown game looming next week against those humpin' bulldogs

[PaladinFan]

....and that safety was a pile of horse dung. SoCon refs strike again. I've never seen BL so mad. Even the announcers on TV called it a bad call.

What a horrible streak of luck.

[texcap]

No one did. Furman came out sharp. They looked like the better football team in the first half.

After that blocked field goal the wind just left the sails. Furman focused so hard on Edwards that Richardson beat us.

Only good to come of this is to know we get to whip their tails in Greenville next year.

Hey, you may get a shot at them again in Boone later this year.:smiley_wi

[BigApp]

remember, you owed the football gods one from the first half non-call on the fumble...

[thirdgendin]

I respectfully disagree. We've got a classic letdown game looming next week against those humpin' bulldogs

With a 1-game lead and the tiebreaker over us and only two games remaining, you would have to lose to Citadel and Western Carolina (not going to happen) while we would have to beat Elon and Georgia Southern.

[MarkCCU]

33-7

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!! GODDDAMN!!!!

[thirdgendin]

remember, you owed the football gods one from the first half non-call on the fumble...

I think the "football gods" have taken much more than they given to us in Boone over the last 5 years. :bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

[LarryBoy]

This is hard to watch. I have not seen us get beat down like this since GSU in 2002 (but even that pales in comparison).

We had some bad breaks, yes. But we gave up. It's hard to watch.

Congrats, App. You came to play today. We did, too, but at some point, it seems like we just stopped.

[Death Dealer]

Good Game crAPPY. xsmileyclapx You are clearly the better team....we did not deserve to win and you clearly did. God I hate you guys!:mad:

[Death Dealer]

Hey, you may get a shot at them again in Boone later this year.:smiley_wi
I see us dropping one of the last two games and missing the playoffs. We have some serious issues on both sides of the ball. Wow, the kicked our asses....didn't want to see this happen today.....ughhhhh!!!!!!:( : smh : :(
But I'm not that suprised, the mountainqueers are a great team. Oh, despair, despair....will we ever triumph in KB?

[BigApp]

I don't think your guys have given up at all

[thirdgendin]

Blocked FG by Furman. At least it didn't get any worse there.

[BigApp]

FU blocked fg attempt, still hustling

[*****]

I guess this game is over... 33-7... starters still in on both sides... 50 yd ASU FG attempt blocked... 8 minutes left

[BigApp]

I expect we'll see elder and the gang on the next possession
...

[BigApp]

fu fumble, apps recover

[thirdgendin]

Wow, could it get any worse? Furman fumbles, ASU recovers at the FU 19. I smell another TD here.

[thirdgendin]

Why is Richardson still in? You don't want him to get injured like Corey Lynch did in garbage time a few years ago.

[*****]

Trey Elder is in even!

[BigApp]

td! richardson

[thirdgendin]

Richardson gets his FOURTH TD. 40-7 App.

[thirdgendin]

A 33-point loss would be Furman's worst since a 33-0 loss to Clemson in 1998 as well as the worst loss ever to Appalachian.

[The Dude]

Wow. Radio guys just said we haven't lost by this much since 1998 at Clemson.

We're really gonna have to regroup after this one. But congrats to App.

[thirdgendin]

Worst loss to a I-AA team since a 54-0 drubbing by Marshall in the '96 playoffs.

[BigApp]

i certainly hope no one thinks we're "running it up"

[LarryBoy]

You're not running up the score. Shoot, I think I could score running behind your O-Line right now.

[BigApp]

uhhh, wtf just happened to the broadcast??

[thirdgendin]

i certainly hope no one thinks we're "running it up"

Not running it up...it just snowballed in the second half.

[thirdgendin]

Game over. 40-7 Apps.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Appalachian's HOT HOT HOT

and has just crossed (I think) the last major hurdle for a number 1 seed.

Kinda disappointing we didn't get the typical wild Furmilachian shootout, though.

[Death Dealer]

Oh well. I am stunned, pissed, sick to my stomach. I sure as hell hope crAPPY doesn't ****** up and lose to someone......they deserve to repeat.....they are the best team in I-AA this year.

[AppStateSVX]

WOOT!!!! go ASU!! That was an AMAZING game. thanks Furman for bringing out so many fans despite the cold

[Death Dealer]

WOOT!!!! go ASU!! That was an AMAZING game. thanks Furman for bringing out so many fans despite the cold

Just wish we could have made a better showing for ourselves.

[AppStateSVX]

the game was really close until a few furman turnovers that fueled up the crowd and team

[Black and Gold Express]

We get the Citadel at home next week. After seeing them beat GSU, that one sure is not a cakewalk. It will be Senior Day though. The Jug game at Western will be an emotional hornets nest, but western can't even put a good HS caliber team on the field due to injuries.

So yeah, I think it will take us beating ourselves with turnovers to screw a #1 seed up.

I said in my prediction if we played a clean game we could win this one by multiple scores, and we played a clean game. It's amazing what not turning the ball over 3-4 times will do for you. Hopefully today we silenced a few critics by playing about as clean a game (after the first quarter) that you could ask for.

The bigger question now is, will we be the only SoCon team in? Furman needs a couple of real big statement wins to get them n at this point. Elon is to Furman what CItadel is to us - a team that should be beaten but is good enough to pull the upset if given a chance. THe GSU/FU game will be an all-out war.

[Death Dealer]

the game was really close until a few furman turnovers that fueled up the crowd and team

There's that damn word that usually spells trouble for someone. Sucks that at KB it always seems to be us.:rolleyes:

[AppStateSVX]

yeah. KBS is death for Furman

[Mountaineer]

Just got back from the game.

After the bad snap to Edwards that led to the first ASU turnover and Furman TD, the game was never really in doubt.

But yes, the Furman special teams..oy. :eek:

The D stepped up huge and the O did their job as well. Other than a couple of dropped passes there was nothing sloppy about the Apps this week. :hurray: :hurray: :rotateh: :rotateh:

[ASU Kep]

Good Game crAPPY. xsmileyclapx You are clearly the better team....we did not deserve to win and you clearly did. God I hate you guys!:mad:

I told ya. Cute baby mojo < Richie Williams in general vicinity. :nod: :D

I really didn't see this coming, though. Ya'll are a great team and I really hope ya'll win out so the SOCON gets at least two this year. I'm 'bout to head out to a costume party...did anybody see the gorilla on TV? That was me. :D :eyebrow:

Seriously, best of luck Paladins. I'd hate to see the mighty SOCON only get one bid this year. Ya'll ain't done yet.

[bobbythekidd]

WOW! App rules. Had to leave the house in the 3rd. Wow.

[ASU Kep]

Most times I root for GSU against Furman, but I really hope Furman doesn't play GSU like they did us today. After the FG return for TD, (it seemed like to me) they just quit. It'll be a sad day indeed when the SOCON sends *ONE* stinkin' team.

[HiHiYikas]

What a game. Once the ASU D got going, it seemed like Gray was on the ground 3 out of 4 plays. It started getting awkward to watch.

I was sitting near the west endzone, and wondered what would make a guy step backwards into his own endzone. I did totally call the safety, telling the person next to me "there's no way we're letting them out of the endzone here." ASU's defense looked scary-good in spots.

I think I saw you, Kep. There were at least two batmen (batmans?) in the stands, so there may have been a couple of gorillas. I opted for the Yosef hat and beard (the beard really is warm).

[ASU Kep]

What a game. Once the ASU D got going, it seemed like Gray was on the ground 3 out of 4 plays. It started getting awkward to watch.

I was sitting near the west endzone, and wondered what would make a guy step backwards into his own endzone. I did totally call the safety, telling the person next to me "there's no way we're letting them out of the endzone here." ASU's defense looked scary-good in spots.

I think I saw you, Kep. There were at least two batmen (batmans?) in the stands, so there may have been a couple of gorillas. I opted for the Yosef hat and beard (the beard really is warm).

:eek: :eek: :eek: :confused:

I was the only gorilla I saw, but if it narrows it down I'm wearing a #44 Murrell jersey on top of my costume and we were on the front row near the south (cursed) endzone for most of the game. :nod: :)

[HiHiYikas]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :confused:

I was the only gorilla I saw, but if it narrows it down I'm wearing a #44 Murrell jersey on top of my costume and we were on the front row near the south (cursed) endzone for most of the game. :nod: :)
Yeah, I definitely saw you standing in line.

Does the transitive property suggest that Kevin Richardson will score 9 TD's on WCU?

[ASU Kep]

Yeah, I definitely saw you standing in line.

Does the transitive property suggest that Kevin Richardson will score 9 TD's on WCU?

Well nice to meet ya. xlolx

Only thing that sucks is that it was 7-0 FU when we got to our seats. After 40 straight post-gorilla entrance, now I'm feeling like this damn thing is good luck. Guess I'm gonna have to sport the gorilla for the rest of the year. :bawling: :D

At least it's warm...:nod: :nod: :nod:

[ASU Kep]

Yeah, I definitely saw you standing in line.

Does the transitive property suggest that Kevin Richardson will score 9 TD's on WCU?

I hope so. :nod:

Their whole season now is to trip us up.

[Mountaineer]

Great writeup of the game from GoASU.


October 28, 2006 - BOONE, N.C. – Top-ranked Appalachian State University erased a 7-0 first-quarter deficit with 40 unanswered points and took control of the Southern Conference race with a 40-7 rout over No. 8 Furman on Saturday afternoon. The Black Saturday win in front of 24,447 at Kidd Brewer Stadium marked Appalachian’s largest margin of victory ever in the heated SoCon rivalry.


Read more at..

http://www.goasu.com/article/9407/

[CharlestonAppFan]

Didn't expect this....Wow!!! Been here for the Miracle and the ice slip....but didn't expect this score. happy for Appy, and willing to incorporate the alumni base down here!!!!!!!! Always been a believer..... by the way... happy child birth to the dealer!!!!!!!!! good luck!!!!!!

[texcap]

I was sitting near the west endzone, and wondered what would make a guy step backwards into his own endzone.

Here is the question that I have on that play. If he did step backwards and put his knee down in the endzone why was it spotted on the one? Either his momentum carried it into the end zone, which would be a touchback and the ball on the 20; or 2) his momentum did not carry him into the end zone and he voluntarily went into t he ned zone, in which case it should have been a safety. How can they justify putting the ball on the one?

This play did not lose the game for furman, or even shift the momentum because that train had already left the stadium, but I am curious about the call. By the way, I was listening on the ASU internet feed and I guess that Bobby Lamb went balistic again. Seems like he cannot go to KBS without throwing a hissy fit and acting like a spoiled kid. They get the call wrong, get mad, say your piece, but move on without causing such a comotion.

[Block-A]

I guess that Bobby Lamb went balistic again.

He REALLY went ballistic after the safety.

I think he's still looking for his hat...

[ncman071]

i was there (on our weekly saturday 3 hr drive) what a freaking game! i am so glad ASU is doing so well. another saturday, another win!

[Block-A]

How can they justify putting the ball on the one?

As I understand the rules:

Between your goal line and the five, if you get an int, recover a fumble or receive a kick and your mometum carries you to the end zone where the ball is downed, then the ball will be spotted where the int, recovery, or catch was made.

[PaladinFan]

Here is the question that I have on that play. If he did step backwards and put his knee down in the endzone why was it spotted on the one? Either his momentum carried it into the end zone, which would be a touchback and the ball on the 20; or 2) his momentum did not carry him into the end zone and he voluntarily went into t he ned zone, in which case it should have been a safety. How can they justify putting the ball on the one?

This play did not lose the game for furman, or even shift the momentum because that train had already left the stadium, but I am curious about the call. By the way, I was listening on the ASU internet feed and I guess that Bobby Lamb went balistic again. Seems like he cannot go to KBS without throwing a hissy fit and acting like a spoiled kid. They get the call wrong, get mad, say your piece, but move on without causing such a comotion.

Come on now, lay off the coach. It was a bad call, the replay showed it was a bad call, and the TV announcers both said it was a bad call.

You're right, the play did not lose the game for Furman. However, there is a BIG difference between 21-7 and you with the ball and 23-7 and them with the ball. I think Lamb was pretty justified. Furman had been moving the ball well against ASU, had a little lapse on their touchdown run on defense, but was still very much in the game. That safety threw momentum totally in ASU's favor.

Instead of FU possibly going down and making the score 21-14, ASU makes is 30-7 and the route is on. That call at the goal line was the turning point in the game. I think he had pretty good reason to be pissed.

[texcap]

Come on now, lay off the coach. It was a bad call, the replay showed it was a bad call, and the TV announcers both said it was a bad call.

You're right, the play did not lose the game for Furman. However, there is a BIG difference between 21-7 and you with the ball and 23-7 and them with the ball. I think Lamb was pretty justified. Furman had been moving the ball well against ASU, had a little lapse on their touchdown run on defense, but was still very much in the game. That safety threw momentum totally in ASU's favor.

Instead of FU possibly going down and making the score 21-14, ASU makes is 30-7 and the route is on. That call at the goal line was the turning point in the game. I think he had pretty good reason to be pissed.

How many games do you see where the coach is on the field throwing his hat and getting in the official's faces? This is at least two in a row in Boone for Bobby Lamb to do that. What is the point. As I said earlier, complain, say your piece and get back to the game. Does Lamb expect them to say, "You know Bobby, you are right and we are wrong. We just didn't see it until you threw your hat on the field and started stomping your feet." This is the kind of stunt that Bobby Knight pulls and I bet you wouldn't defend him for this type of behavior.

By the way, what kind of fit did Jerry Moore throw when the replay and both announcers showed a clearly blown call on the fumble in Furman's first (and only) scoring drive did not get called correctly? That seemed to cause a little shifting of momentum, but at least Coach Moore had the class not to cry in the middle of the field about it. I think Booby Lamb is a great recruiter and coach, but he needs to grow up and quit whining. It doesn't look good for a great school and football program.

[GreatAppSt]

How many games do you see where the coach is on the field throwing his hat and getting in the official's faces? This is at least two in a row in Boone for Bobby Lamb to do that. What is the point. As I said earlier, complain, say your piece and get back to the game. Does Lamb expect them to say, "You know Bobby, you are right and we are wrong. We just didn't see it until you threw your hat on the field and started stomping your feet." This is the kind of stunt that Bobby Knight pulls and I bet you wouldn't defend him for this type of behavior.

By the way, what kind of fit did Jerry Moore throw when the replay and both announcers showed a clearly blown call on the fumble in Furman's first (and only) scoring drive did not get called correctly? That seemed to cause a little shifting of momentum, but at least Coach Moore had the class not to cry in the middle of the field about it. I think Booby Lamb is a great recruiter and coach, but he needs to grow up and quit whining. It doesn't look good for a great school and football program.

He's just a big Cry Bobby!:D :D :D

[redbirdtim]

Congrats to ASU on the huge win...solidifying why they are #1.

[AppMan]

....and that safety was a pile of horse dung. SoCon refs strike again. I've never seen BL so mad. Even the announcers on TV called it a bad call.

What a horrible streak of luck.

Perhaps, but it had very little affect on the outcome of the game. All of Furman's luck wasn't bad, since the only TD you guys scored was the result of a gift from the officials. TV replays clearly showed Gray losing the ball before hitting the ground. We recovered the ball and it should have been ASU headed the other way, but the oficial was shielded from the play. But hey, stuff happens and that's football. Just face the music. Ya got beat all over the field and the primary reason is ASU held your team to 66 yards rushing and a total of 198 (FU's lowest offensive output of the season) while the App offense rolled up 328 yards on your big time defense. ASU owned the second half out gaining the Paladins 219 to 32. Turnovers were essentially even (FU 2 - ASU 1) and we even tossed in a couple of bad snaps over the QB's head that cost us about 25 yards. Perhaps you guys can put away Elon & GSU and get another trip to the friendly confines of THE ROCK!

[Death Dealer]

Let's not turn this into a pissing match over bad calls.....O.K.? There were two bad calls, one in favor of each team.....ultimately, neither changed the outcome of the game.....crAPPY was the better team, to be honest (since I haven't missed a game this season) I think they've been better all season. We've been squeaking by with close wins against inferior teams because of weak play, sloppiness, and stupid mistakes on both sides of the ball. Alot of that is coaching, alot of it is age of the team. The next drive after the first touchdown, you could feel the "O" back off a little....it didn't have the spark of the first drive. We've done that all season. You can get by with that against the rest of the SOCON, but not against the Mountainqueers, especially when you're as beaten up as we are right now. They handed us an ass-whipping today, good game guys.:bawling:(God I hate you guys!)

Hey TX, lay off BL.

Hey Kep, I saw you in the gorilla suit several times. You big goof! You were clearly having a good time! I gotta get me one of those for FU home games! Where exactly do you buy a lucky gorilla suit?xlolx

Did I mention I hate you guys?:p

[Death Dealer]

Just face the music. Ya got beat all over the field and the primary reason is ASU held your team to 66 yards rushing and a total of 198 (FU's lowest offensive output of the season) while the App offense rolled up 328 yards on your big time defense. ASU owned the second half out gaining the Paladins 219 to 32. Perhaps you guys can put away Elon & GSU and get another trip to the friendly confines of THE ROCK!

Hey Appman, don't be a dick. Nothing sucks more than a bad loser except a bad winner. We all know all of this, do you think it makes Apps win any more legit by rubbing it in our faces. Let us lick our wounds, I'd return the favor if it were the other way around. Wanna get a smack thread started about how you kicked our asses? Go to the smack board, O.K.?

[dungeonjoe]

Hey Appman, don't be a dick. Nothing sucks more than a bad loser except a bad winner. We all know all of this, do you think it makes Apps win any more legit by rubbing it in our faces. Let us lick our wounds, I'd return the favor if it were the other way around. Wanna get a smack thread started about how you kicked our asses? Go to the smack board, O.K.?


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[FCS_pwns_FBS]

THe GSU/FU game will be an all-out war.

You better believe it. Anyone who thinks we can't play for pride needs to watch the GSU Furman game from 2003.

[HiHiYikas]

How can they justify putting the ball on the one?

As I understand the rules:

Between your goal line and the five, if you get an int, recover a fumble or receive a kick and your mometum carries you to the end zone where the ball is downed, then the ball will be spotted where the int, recovery, or catch was made.
If that's the rule, the spot makes sense. I don't think I've ever seen that done, nor have I ever seen a player intentionally step back into his own endzone. From where I was sitting, it really didn't look like he had that much backward momentum. It looked like he fielded the ball outside the endzone, and rather than getting planted inside the 15 (which almost certainly would have happened), he tried to get things moved up to the 20.

ASU's special teams played very well, with the exception of a "hey, let's gie a 50-yarder-a-shot" FG try that was blocked. Julian Rauch punted like a beast, and kicked off into the end zone (or very close) multiple times. Furman's special teams were another story.

In my recent experience, ASU-Furman games are supposed to include 2 things - very close outcomes and Bobby Lamb rants. In the loss of the former, maybe the refs were simply trying to overcompensate with the latter.

[ASUguru]

I was at the game yesterday and could never figure out why Furman didn't blitz more. Seems that their linebackers sat back and waited for the Offense to come to them. App typically picked up at least 4 or 5 yards on every first down.

Also, it looked like Renaldo Gray was still not 100 percent. They should have played Sorrells instead of trying to let Gray play hero.... IMHO

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"We couldn't run the football very effectively, and in the second half, we couldn't stop the run. If you can't do those two things, you'll get beat every Saturday." - Bobby Lamb

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061029/SPORTS0103/610290361/1002/SPORTS

[HiHiYikas]

from goasu.com.

"On the ensuing kickoff, FU’s William Middleton fielded the ball on the one yard line and retreated into the end zone looking for a touchback. However, the officials spotted the ball on the one and on Furman’s first play, ASU’s defense stuffed Cedrick Gipson in the end zone for a safety."

from furmanpaladins.cstv.com

"On the ensuing kickoff, Paladin kickoff return man William Middleton's effort to receive the deep kick near the goal line carried him back into to the end zone, but the field judge on the play overruled the referee, who had signaled a touchback, and the ball was placed approximately a centimeter outside the end zone. On the first play from scrimmage, officials ruled tailback Cedrick Gipson's run off left guard failed to regain the centimeter, and the Mountaineers were awarded a safety, making it 23-7."

Interesting differences between the two versions.

[Rick C]

I don't know why we are arguing about that safety. Maybe if the game had been closer it would be worth arguing about. But when your opponent has 60% more total offense than you do and you lose by five scores, arguing about a safety is kind of silly.

Reminds me of Sammy Baugh after the Redskins lost 73-0 to the Bears in the 1940 NFL Championship game. A reporter asked him if the game would have turned out differently if one of his receivers hadn't dropped a ball in the end zone early in the game. "Yeah", says Baugh, "It would have been 73-7".

[LarryBoy]

If Furman is fortunate enough to hang on and win the next two, and fortunate enough to make the playoffs after that, they can be a very dangerous team. This team has not been the same since Gray went down against Coastal, and even worse since Felton went down. I had hoped that we would adapt; now we just need to hope for recovery. Against UNC (42 points), Western (42 points), Wofford (35 points, sat on the ball starting halfway through the third quarter), and the beginning of Coastal, I believe we had the best offense in the conference. It's been all downhill since then.

And if we make the playoffs, I pray that we get in the opposite bracket from App. I think I would rather not make the playoffs or lose in the first round than to suffer another defeat at Boone this year.

[AndrewFU21]

What makes me mad about the game is that we let one play be the whole game for us. We had played well almost the whole half, and should have had the lead going into the second half and getting the ball to start the 3rd. But after that blocked kick, we just fell apart completely.

Congrats to App on the win. With that game, not only can you send the SoCon title to Boone, but probably the #1 seed as well.

[asu70]

I don't know why we are arguing about that safety. Maybe if the game had been closer it would be worth arguing about. But when your opponent has 60% more total offense than you do and you lose by five scores, arguing about a safety is kind of silly.

Reminds me of Sammy Baugh after the Redskins lost 73-0 to the Bears in the 1940 NFL Championship game. A reporter asked him if the game would have turned out differently if one of his receivers hadn't dropped a ball in the end zone early in the game. "Yeah", says Baugh, "It would have been 73-7".
You are so correct Mr. C! Furman had a bad day but IMO, they are still a very good team. FU needs to forget about App and suck it up and focus on winning their next two games which should put them in the playoffs. Every team will have a bad game every once in a while just like App did against WC and GSU. The most important thing for a team is to correct things and get on to winning their next game.

[Death Dealer]

Let's get our heads back in the season....wow, that hurt, but we still got alot of business to take care of, and GSU is gonna come to town aching to knock us out of the playoffs. The pheonix aren't cupcakes at home either...not to a banged up, demoralized 'dins sqad. Let's take our ass whipping, learn from it, and get through the next two weeks, so we can have a chance at some paybacks in the playoffs. :nod:

[SoCon48]

Come on now, lay off the coach. It was a bad call, the replay showed it was a bad call, and the TV announcers both said it was a bad call.
You're right, the play did not lose the game for Furman. However, there is a BIG difference between 21-7 and you with the ball and 23-7 and them with the ball. I think Lamb was pretty justified. Furman had been moving the ball well against ASU, had a little lapse on their touchdown run on defense, but was still very much in the game. That safety threw momentum totally in ASU's favor.

Instead of FU possibly going down and making the score 21-14, ASU makes is 30-7 and the route is on. That call at the goal line was the turning point in the game. I think he had pretty good reason to be pissed.

If the announcers knew what they were talking about, they would have commended the refs. I watched it several times in slow motion. The ball was clearly caught inside playing field, not the endzone. so as another poster pointed out:

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How can they justify putting the ball on the one?

As I understand the rules:

Between your goal line and the five, if you get an int, recover a fumble or receive a kick and your mometum carries you to the end zone where the ball is downed, then the ball will be spotted where the int, recovery, or catch was made.

[LarryBoy]

Yeah, it was the right call. I think what has people up in arms is the fact that 99% of the time, the refs don't care and call it a touchback. Splendid time for it to go the other way, I must say.

I'm not defending Bobby's outburst; but can you imagine anything more infuriating than the monkey on his back and the close calls and the bad breaks that all fall on his shoulders? His battle against ASU was falling apart more royally than ever, and (at that point) poor play had little to do with it.

Bobby's a nice guy and all, really (I've met him a number of times, he's come with his church to some of our ministry's conferences). What upsets me more than the outburst, though, is how we let everything snowball. Bobby took responsibility for it, and I hate to say, that was the right thing to say, because our coaches need to keep the team in the game.

[texcap]

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[SirApp]

KEP, You're Famous:

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That is great....must have been incredibly warm in that monkey suit.

[ASU Kep]

KEP, You're Famous:

http://www.wataugademocrat.com/

Holy s--t! Thanks for posting that, I'm gonna run out and buy some!

[Mountaineer]

Haha, that's awesome Kep!

:hurray: :bow: :hurray:

[Death Dealer]

Holy s--t! Thanks for posting that, I'm gonna run out and buy some!

I told you man....you were on the tv like 4 times during the game.....several of the crowd shots had you in them!:D You are an official celebrity....so when is your episode of cribs airing?xlolx

[ASU Kep]

sonofabitch, I HAVE to get this on tape.

[SoCon48]

Come on now, lay off the coach. It was a bad call, the replay showed it was a bad call, and the TV announcers both said it was a bad call.

You're right, the play did not lose the game for Furman. However, there is a BIG difference between 21-7 and you with the ball and 23-7 and them with the ball. I think Lamb was pretty justified. Furman had been moving the ball well against ASU, had a little lapse on their touchdown run on defense, but was still very much in the game. That safety threw momentum totally in ASU's favor.

Instead of FU possibly going down and making the score 21-14, ASU makes is 30-7 and the route is on. That call at the goal line was the turning point in the game. I think he had pretty good reason to be pissed.

Here's the exact rule from the NCAA record book. Lamb and the announcers were totally wrong. Both should have known better. Only person lamb should ahve been pissed at was himself. The refs should have tossed him.

Exceptions:


1. When a Team B player intercepts a forward pass, fumble or backward pass or catches a scrimmage or free kick between his five-yard line and the goal line and the runner’s original momentum carries him into the end zone, where the ball is declared dead in his team’s possession, the ball belongs to Team B at the spot where the pass or fumble was intercepted or the kick was caught (A.R. 8-5-1-V-VII).

[Death Dealer]

Here's the exact rule from the NCAA record book. Lamb and the announcers were totally wrong. Both should have known better. Only person lamb should ahve been pissed at was himself. The refs should have tossed him.

Damn, are we still talking about the call? We didn't lose because of the safety, to say so or imply in any way that it played any serious role in us getting knocked off by 33 points is ridiculous. It's about motivation, staying focused, not letting bad luck crush you momentum, not missing your block and letting a defender go untouched into the backfield to block a kick, and if you do, getting back up and going back to work. We seemed to just lose something after that blocked kick. As much as I respect BL and his staff, that stuff has alot to do with coaching. It trickles down.

Now I-AA 2006, all FU fans know that BL has a short fuse granted, and sometimes he gets a little worked-up, but can you imagine the stress on that field? So he blew up!?!? So what! WTF do you care anyway, your team won! Don't be so judgemental dude.

[SoCon48]

yada yada yada.
If he had been right, it would have been a little diff story. he needs to read a freakin rule book.
183 posts pretty much about ASU fan behavior. A couple about Lamb's is justified in my book along with the rule that he should know..
Deal with it.

[thirdgendin]

yada yada yada.
If he had been right, it would have been a little diff story. he needs to read a freakin rule book.
183 posts pretty much about ASU fan behavior. A couple about Lamb's is justified in my book along with the rule that he should know..
Deal with it.

The entire game thread is about ASU fans?! Talk about exaggerating something! Mr. Cline, continuing to stir up stuff like this is your m.o. on many boards. Your team won quite handily on Saturday, and deservedly so. As Death Dealer said, none of us are implying that we lost because of the safety. Our line, special teams, run defense, etc., etc. etc. wasn't stopping ASU on Saturday. That's what we're busy dealing with.

[Death Dealer]

yada yada yada.
If he had been right, it would have been a little diff story. he needs to read a freakin rule book.
183 posts pretty much about ASU fan behavior. A couple about Lamb's is justified in my book along with the rule that he should know..
Deal with it.
WTF are you talking about? I haven't seen one comment about fans on this thread! (except a mention or two about some rabid gorilla!xlolx )

[SoCon48]

WTF are you talking about? I haven't seen one comment about fans on this thread! (except a mention or two about some rabid gorilla!xlolx )

Should have said threads.
But you're right about this thread since it is mostly by ASU fans..but just look around this board and other sites and their threads on ASU behavior.
But just in case you missed your own message to an App fan on this thread:

Hey Appman, don't be a dick. Nothing sucks more than a bad loser except a bad winner. We all know all of this, do you think it makes Apps win any more legit by rubbing it in our faces

[SoCon48]

The entire game thread is about ASU fans?! Talk about exaggerating something! Mr. Cline, continuing to stir up stuff like this is your m.o. on many boards. Your team won quite handily on Saturday, and deservedly so. As Death Dealer said, none of us are implying that we lost because of the safety. Our line, special teams, run defense, etc., etc. etc. wasn't stopping ASU on Saturday. That's what we're busy dealing with.

Oh. I'm stirring up trouble??? Am I the one posting all that crap about ASU behavior? Gimme an f'n break.
Not allowed to defend our selves?? Geez.
Read you own UFF board for just a few.

[Death Dealer]

Oh. I'm stirring up trouble??? Am I the one posting all that crap about ASU behavior? Gimme an f'n break.
Not allowed to defend our selves?? Geez.
Read you own UFF board for just a few.
I can't argue with you about UFFP. I don't go there much. Big time Homer site.....but we weren't talking about UFFP! Granted I haven't been on this site for very long....less than two months....but I have been impressed with the overall tolerance of most of the posters here. Everybody gives everybody else ****, but it mostly seems to be good natured ****....with a few obvious exceptions, there aren't that many assholes loitering around here that I have seen.

[Death Dealer]

I've been going to games in Boone since 1979....long before I became a Paladin. I have never had a bad experience, not once. Never even been "cussed". My sister went to App and we always have a good time ribbing each other, and her friends used to give me and my frat brothers alot of **** when we'd come up for the games, but it was all in fun. I still love to go to Boone....cool town. We used to road trip from Furman to Johnson City to watch the App/ETSU games...there was this bar in Johnson City that all the TKE's from App used to hang out at....I can't remember the name of it....but it was a dive, the kind of place you love to hang out at and get faced.:nod:

[Black Saturday]

I've been going to games in Boone since 1979....long before I became a Paladin. I have never had a bad experience, not once. Never even been "cussed". My sister went to App and we always have a good time ribbing each other, and her friends used to give me and my frat brothers alot of **** when we'd come up for the games, but it was all in fun. I still love to go to Boone....cool town. We used to road trip from Furman to Johnson City to watch the App/ETSU games...there was this bar in Johnson City that all the TKE's from App used to hang out at....I can't remember the name of it....but it was a dive, the kind of place you love to hang out at and get faced.:nod:

How about the SeaHorse?

[Death Dealer]

How about the SeaHorse?

That's it!!!!!!:hurray: Been there, huh?:thumbsup:

[SoCon48]

I can't argue with you about UFFP. I don't go there much. Big time Homer site.....but we weren't talking about UFFP! Granted I haven't been on this site for very long....less than two months....but I have been impressed with the overall tolerance of most of the posters here. Everybody gives everybody else ****, but it mostly seems to be good natured ****....with a few obvious exceptions, there aren't that many assholes loitering around here that I have seen.
Peace

[Death Dealer]

Peace

PEACE!:D