Accumulative Ticket Sales Revenue from 2005 to 2013

[bluedog]

MEAC Accumulative Ticket Sales Revenue from 2005 to 2013

North Carolina A&T $6,653,814.00

Norfolk State $3,814,784.00

Florida A&M $16,452,317.00

South Carolina State $6,450,282.00

Morgan State $1,438,547.00

North Carolina Central $3,597,377.00

Savannah State $1,010,617.00

Delaware State $990,387.00

Total= $40,408,125.00

SWAC Accumulative Ticket Sales Revenue from 2005 to 2013

Southern - $15,512,459.00

Grambling - $11,528,108.00

Jackson State - $10,120,239.00

Alabama State - $7,351,561.00

Arkansas Pine Bluff - $4,308,460.00

Alabama A&M - $3,663,428.00

Prairie View - $3,410,097.00

Alcorn - $2,135,337.00

Texas Southern - $1,671,247.00

Mississippi Valley - $1,327,894.00

Total= $61,028,830.00

SLC Accumulative Ticket Sales Revenue from 2005 to 2013

Lamar $4,664,811.00

Sam Houston State $2,317,578.00

Stephen F. Austin $2,262,745.00

Northwestern State La $2,343,563.00

Southeastern Louisiana $2,903,916.00

Central Arkansas $3,546,621.00

Texas A&M-Corpus Christi $2,571,971.00

McNeese State $8,865,081.00

Nicholls State $1,385,340.00

*UIW

TOTAL= $30,861,626.00

OVC Accumulative Ticket Sales Revenue from 2005 to 2013

Tennessee State $7,066,878.00

Tennessee Tech $2,877,262.00

Jacksonville State $2,319,020.00 (2005-2006 DATA NA)

Eastern Illinois $2,426,119.00

Eastern Kentucky $2,419,046.00

Austin Peay $1,843,627.00

Tennessee-Martin $680,271.00

Murray State $7,043,765.00

TOTAL =$26,675,988.00

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/

[superman7515]

Wouldn't a comparison of ticket sales for games played on campus be better?

[bluedog]

Wouldn't a comparison of ticket sales for games played on campus be better?

All the column says is ticket sales. Sounds like you're making stuff up.

Besides what sense would that make when the majority of tickets are bought by the general public off campus?




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[NoDak 4 Ever]

What is this comparison even supposed to mean? That source cites all ticket sales, not just football.

[gotts]

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[bluedog]

What is this comparison even supposed to mean? That source cites all ticket sales, not just football.

Where's your proof of that?

The site is discussing NCAAF the F is for football.

Even if it did what's your point? We all know football drives everything.

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[NoDak 4 Ever]

Where's your proof of that?

The site is discussing NCAAF the F is for football.

Even if it did what's your point? We all know football drives everything.

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The University of North Dakota had $32,571,647 in ticket sales over that period of time.

They have a 13k capacity football stadium and average around 8k a game. However, they have an 11k hockey stadium that is perpetually sold out at higher ticket prices.

This isn't just football.

[bluedog]

The University of North Dakota had $32,571,647 in ticket sales over that period of time.

They have a 13k capacity football stadium and average around 8k a game. However, they have an 11k hockey stadium that is perpetually sold out at higher ticket prices.

This isn't just football.

Again what's your point and where's your proof?



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[NoDak 4 Ever]

Again what's your point?

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I'm asking the same question. You post these numbers without comment. Is there a point to this thread at all?

My point is that your numbers are not what you think they are. Please tell us why you posted them in the first place.

[chattownmocs]

I think its a case for segregation the 21st century. I bet if they truly integrated they would sell far fewer tickets.

[bluedog]

I'm asking the same question. You post these numbers without comment. Is there a point to this thread at all?

My point is that your numbers are not what you think they are. Please tell us why you posted them in the first place.

I'm not incline to answer anyone who make unsubstantiated claims with no proof. Give me proof of what you're saying and I'll be glad to answer your question.

If not you can just keep it moving and feel free to assume whatever you like.

Besides what's it to you? It's not like it's your conference.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I'm not incline to answer anyone who make unsubstantiated claims with no proof. Give me proof of what you're saying and I'll be glad to answer your question.

If not you can just keep it moving and feel free to assume whatever you like.

Besides what's it to you? It's not like it's your conference.

If my claim was that the numbers do not represent only football tickets, I need only compare my home state's two schools.

NDSU had 16 million in ticket sales
UND had 32 million in ticket sales.

NDSU averages over twice what UND does for football yet lacks a hockey team which is the main driver of UND's ticket sales.

Holy crap, now that's done. What are you trying to say here?

[bluedog]

proof[ proof ]
noun
1. evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.
2. anything serving as such evidence: What proof do you have?
3. the act of testing or making trial of anything; test; trial: to put a thing to the proof.

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[NoDak 4 Ever]

I'm just going to let someone else take this. Getting silly.

[Nickels]

xlolx Kids, don't do drugs or go to SWAC institutions.

[bluedog]

I'm just going to let someone else take this. Getting silly.

No one else outside these conferences seems to be as disturbed about it as you.

Sorry that it appears to be rocket science for you.

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[NoDak 4 Ever]

I actually find myself agreeing with Nickels.

[bluedog]

I actually find myself agreeing with Nickels.

I wouldn't know, he's been on troll ignore for sometime. Feel free to join him if you like.

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[NoDak 4 Ever]

I wouldn't know, he's been on troll ignore for sometime. Feel free to join him if you like.

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I genuinely don't care what you think of this. Your numbers do not reflect only football. That is fact.

This should probably go in the other sports forum.

[bluedog]

I genuinely don't care what you think of this. Your numbers do not reflect only football. That is fact.

This should probably go in the other sports forum.

You seem to be a little confused, I didn't offer you any thoughts. ...you did.

For some one who doesn't care, you sure are spending a lot of effort yapping about it.

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[Dane96]

OP is "fishing".

We get it, some of the HBCU's have fantastic ticket sales because of the "Classics" and rivalry games.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

OP is "fishing".

We get it, some of the HBCU's have fantastic ticket sales because of the "Classics" and rivalry games.

That's certainly what he's trying to say but like I said if that's the case, his best HBCU has less than half the ticket sales of the University of North Dakota.

Explain that to me.

[bluedog]

That's certainly what he's trying to say but like I said if that's the case, his best HBCU has less than half the ticket sales of the University of North Dakota.

Explain that to me.

You're working real hard to make this about NDSU aren't ya?

Finally some resemblance of truth. xlolx



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[Nickels]

You're working real hard tomake this about NDU aren't ya?

Finally some resemblance of truth. xlolx



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He said UND not NDSU. I don't think a NDU exist but it's the most coherent thing thought you've brought to this thread so far. You're getting closer at least...

[NoDak 4 Ever]

You're working real hard tomake this about NDU aren't ya?

Finally some resemblance of truth. xlolx




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Not at all, it's just a really good illustration of the failure in your numbers.

[Nickels]

Nice edit after you were called out. I thought I was being ignored?

[superman7515]

Wouldn't a comparison of ticket sales for games played on campus be better?


All the column says is ticket sales. Sounds like you're making stuff up.

Besides what sense would that make when the majority of tickets are bought by the general public off campus?

1) Making stuff up? Are you legally retarded or did you just fail English?
2) I said ticket sales for games played on campus, not tickets sold on campus. Are you legally retarded or did you just fail English?
3) Isn't it, at best, disingenious to compare the ticket sales for games played on campus at schools like Delaware State, Eastern Kentucky, Central Arkansas, etc who value the game on the field and the opportunity to bring alumni and fans back to campus to those games played by the Bingo Long Travelling All-Stars and Motor Kings of the SWAC and MEAC who whore themselves out for neutral site games 1,000 miles away from campus where tickets are "sold" to corporate sponsors but people don't actually show up for the football team and instead leave once the band competition is done?

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Nice edit after you were called out. I thought I was being ignored?

This is turning out to be an absurdly entertaining thread.

[Silenoz]

Montana -


$41,563,179


North Dakota -


$32,571,647


Montana State -


$15,534,330


Cal Poly -


$4,751,480


UC Davis -


$3,560,001


Weber State -


$3,972,262


Idaho State -


$2,736,837


Eastern Washington -


$2,682,547


Northern Colorado -


$2,653,266


Portland State -


$2,599,876


Northern Arizona -


$2,101,082


Sacramento State -


$1,587,490


Southern Utah -


$1,404,701



So, outsell the entire Southland combined, but pay our football head coach $160,000. Makes sense.

[bluedog]

I think its a case for segregation the 21st century. I bet if they truly integrated they would sell far fewer tickets.


1) Making stuff up? Are you legally retarded or did you just fail English?
2) I said ticket sales for games played on campus, not tickets sold on campus. Are you legally retarded or did you just fail English?
3) Isn't it, at best, disingenious to compare the ticket sales for games played on campus at schools like Delaware State, Eastern Kentucky, Central Arkansas, etc who value the game on the field and the opportunity to bring alumni and fans back to campus to those games played by the Bingo Long Travelling All-Stars and Motor Kings of the SWAC and MEAC who whore themselves out for neutral site games 1,000 miles away from campus where tickets are "sold" to corporate sponsors but people don't actually show up for the football team and instead leave once the band competition is done?


Why are people like you always getting upset over something that has nothing to do with you? (Rhetorical question)

First you start by making up false claims of things you know nothing about and than like an imbecile you start name calling because you're question about it.

The NCAA has never counted neutral sites as home games, every school is/was allowed one off campus site as it's home field and that site has to be within that state within so many miles.

The really amazing thing is to sit here and watch a group of trolls lose their minds over something that has absolutely nothing to do with them other than their feelings getting hurt because they feel some how it ain't fair that they're at the bottom of the pole in something, because they VALUE the game more, they are some how More American, More Christian

Dude get yourself a life before we're watching you on the national news barricaded up in your house.

At the end of the day numbers don't lie....People do.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Why do people like you are always getting upset over something that has nothing to do with?

First you start by making up false claims of things you know nothing about and than like an imbecile you start name calling because you're question about it.

The NCAA has never counted neutral sites as home games, every school is/was allowed one off campus site as it's home field and that site has to be within that state within so many miles.

The really amazing thing is to sit here and watch a group of trolls lose their minds over something that has absolutely nothing to do with them other than their feelings getting hurt because they feel some how it ain't fair that they're at the bottom of the pole in something, because they VALUE the game more, they are some how More American, More Christian

Dude get yourself a life before we're watching you on the national news barricaded up in your house.

At the end of the day numbers do lie....People do.

Your numbers are incorrect so what are they saying? You posted the numbers with no further comment so we are free to interpret them as we see fit. How is it with all those huge games the University of Montana has almost 3x as many tickets sold as SU?

See how I didn't mention my school?

[Nickels]

Why do people like you are always getting upset over something that has nothing to do with?

First you start by making up false claims of things you know nothing about and than like an imbecile you start name calling because you're question about it.

The NCAA has never counted neutral sites as home games, every school is/was allowed one off campus site as it's home field and that site has to be within that state within so many miles.

The really amazing thing is to sit here and watch a group of trolls lose their minds over something that has absolutely nothing to do with them other than their feelings getting hurt because they feel some how it ain't fair that they're at the bottom of the pole in something, because they VALUE the game more, they are some how More American, More Christian

Dude get yourself a life before we're watching you on the national news barricaded up in your house.

At the end of the day numbers do lie....People do.
The ****?

Congrats to those who can read through this incoherent jumble of words and somewhat understand what he's talking about.

[bluedog]

Your numbers are incorrect so what are they saying? You posted the numbers with no further comment so we are free to interpret them as we see fit. How is it with all those huge games the University of Montana has almost 3x as many tickets sold as SU?

See how I didn't mention my school?

Actually you shouldn't mention school at all.

NDSU $14,006,568.00
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/

Did you just wake up and say "Let me see what big ass lie I can tell today"?

You're officially a troll CLICK!

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Actually you shouldn't mention school at all.

NDSU $14,006,568.00
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/

Do you just wake up and say "Let me see what big ass lie I can tell today"?

You're officially a troll CLICK!

Damn kid, they teach you Excel at Southern?



$3,438,326


$2,915,196


$2,014,583


$1,638,848


$1,738,148


$1,332,994


$1,138,672


$949,125


$855,259


$16,021,151



Go ahead and ignore, we'll have plenty of fun in this conversation without you.

[citdog]

Don't y'all know that you CANNOT look closely or comment on anything about the SWAC? You can only do that if you've got skin in the game.

[gotts]

Actually you shouldn't mention school at all.

NDSU $14,006,568.00
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/

Did you just wake up and say "Let me see what big ass lie I can tell today"?

You're officially a troll CLICK!

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[813Jag]

*walks and looks around* *walks back out*

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[813Jag]

Don't y'all know that you CANNOT look closely or comment on anything about the SWAC? You can only do that if you've got skin in the game.

I know we all look alike xlolx but we don't all post alike.

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[GAD]

1) Making stuff up? Are you legally retarded or did you just fail English?
2) I said ticket sales for games played on campus, not tickets sold on campus. Are you legally retarded or did you just fail English?
3) Isn't it, at best, disingenious to compare the ticket sales for games played on campus at schools like Delaware State, Eastern Kentucky, Central Arkansas, etc who value the game on the field and the opportunity to bring alumni and fans back to campus to those games played by the Bingo Long Travelling All-Stars and Motor Kings of the SWAC and MEAC who whore themselves out for neutral site games 1,000 miles away from campus where tickets are "sold" to corporate sponsors but people don't actually show up for the football team and instead leave once the band competition is done?
Ok to point number 3, can you explain the difference between a neutral site classic and a FBS payday if at the end of the day you come home with a check?

[AggieManiac704]

I think its a case for segregation the 21st century. I bet if they truly integrated they would sell far fewer tickets.

xlmaox

[bluedog]

I think its a case for segregation the 21st century. I bet if they truly integrated they would sell far fewer tickets.

You actually have no clue as to how ridiculous that statement is do you?

What makes you feel your conference is so much more diverse?

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[Panther88]

Don't y'all know that you CANNOT look closely or comment on anything about the SWAC? You can only do that if you've got skin in the game.

Nah, not true, our favorite purveyor of all that is confederate. Comment @ will w/ regards to the SWAC. Perception is something some of us are interested in.

Carry on and enjoying the commentary while lol'ing. :)

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Nah, not true, our favorite purveyor of all that is confederate. Comment @ will w/ regards to the SWAC. Perception is something some of us are interested in.

Carry on and enjoying the commentary while lol'ing. :)

You seem like a smart guy, can you help us figure out what the **** this thread is about?


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[darell1976]

Where's your proof of that?

The site is discussing NCAAF the F is for football.

Even if it did what's your point? We all know football drives everything.

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Seeing that UND was in transition from 2008-2011 in the Great West those numbers are obviously all sports not football. Mostly hockey sales in the case of North Dakota.

[bluedog]

Man and I thought another school had some insecure narcissistic fans.

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[NoDak 4 Ever]

Man and I thought another school had some insecure narcissistic fans.

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You should be glad we showed up. That's a pretty nonsensical OP.

[bluedog]

You can stop blowing up my email alert. I have you on ignore along with the other trolls.

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[centennial]

This thread is an example of segregation shown towards SWAC fans.

[Panther88]

You seem like a smart guy, can you help us figure out what the **** this thread is about?


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Not this one, ND4E. I don't understand the timing or the purpose. I strongly suggest responding w/ what I respond w/ when some post---------------------> xconfusedx.

[Panther88]

This thread is an example of segregation shown towards SWAC fans.
lol @ centennial xlolx

THREAD TURN:

I will most definitely concede that the D-I FCS level SWAC, from top to bottom, has continued to re-live the pre-integration period and purposely segregates itself from mainstream D-I FCS participation, as well as any gains that D-I FCSers have experienced over the last 20 or so years - namely an increase in diversity & athletic competivity-quality. They took their ball and decided to play amongst their own on their own dirt field lol. Can someone post the OOC records of SWAC teams 2013-2014? :D

The SWAC generates football revenue $$$$$ because of historical allegiance/followings/"the band" and such, so, it carelessly fumbles over itself and makes a few shillings here and there. It does not generate football revenue $$$$ for the quality of play(ers) - look @ how empty the stands become post half-time except for true prudes, like Panther88, who know what GOOD football looks like.

This will be received better by certain alums because a SWAC alum said it. If one of you from a PWCU had stated what I just did, you'd be labeled a blatant racist. Isn't that something? xlolx

[BisonFan02]

lol @ centennial xlolx

THREAD TURN:

I will most definitely concede that the D-I FCS level SWAC, from top to bottom, has continued to re-live the pre-integration period and purposely segregates itself from mainstream D-I FCS participation, as well as any gains that D-I FCSers have experienced over the last 20 or so years - namely an increase in diversity & athletic competivity-quality. They took their ball and decided to play amongst their own on their own dirt field lol. Can someone post the OOC records of SWAC teams 2013-2014? :D

The SWAC generate football revenue $$$$$ because of historical allegiance/followings/"the band" and such, so, it carelessly fumbles over itself and makes a few shillings here and there. It does not generate football revenue $$$$ for the quality of play(ers) - look @ how empty the stands become post half-time except for true prudes, like Panther88, who know what GOOD football looks like.

This will be received better by certain alums because a SWAC alum said it. If one of you from a PWCU had stated what I just did, you'd be labeled a blatant racist. Isn't that something? xlolx

Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuup

[IBleedYellow]

What is the point of this thread?

We are the SWAC, look at all the monies we gain because we are the SWAC?



This is worse than Bison fans wanting to hear how awesome we are just for being Bison fans.

AND THAT'S SAYING SOMETHING.

[BisonFan02]

What is the point of this thread?

We are the SWAC, look at all the monies we gain because we are the SWAC?



This is worse than Bison fans wanting to hear how awesome we are just for being Bison fans.

AND THAT'S SAYING SOMETHING.

.....but we are pretty awesome. :D. I think its time to bump the loudest stadium thread(s).

[IBleedYellow]

Oh the mighty SWAC and MEAC how we aren't mightier than thou.


Where do we need to walk in line to kiss your feet and give our offerings? We are not worthy! We are not worthy!

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Oh the mighty SWAC and MEAC how we aren't mightier than thou.


Where do we need to walk in line to kiss your feet and give our offerings? We are not worthy! We are not worthy!

I must be reading something wrong because the ticket sales didn't look all that impressive? It looked like Montana alone covered more than 1/2 of either conference? As usual though I didn't read the article so probably way off but since none of this really makes sense anyway I'm sure I'm fitting right in.

[superman7515]

Ok to point number 3, can you explain the difference between a neutral site classic and a FBS payday if at the end of the day you come home with a check?

1) Neutral site classic counts as a home game for the FCS team, even though neither team is at home, and counts towards their attendance records and ticket sales.
2) FBS payday does not count as a home game for the FCS team.

[BisonFan02]

I must be reading something wrong because the ticket sales didn't look all that impressive? It looked like Montana alone covered more than 1/2 of either conference? As usual though I didn't read the article so probably way off but since none of this really makes sense anyway I'm sure I'm fitting right in.

Maybe the SWAC and MEAC sell more tickets then the SL and OVC? Here's your participation ribbon?

[IBleedYellow]

I must be reading something wrong because the ticket sales didn't look all that impressive? It looked like Montana alone covered more than 1/2 of either conference? As usual though I didn't read the article so probably way off but since none of this really makes sense anyway I'm sure I'm fitting right in.


That's the point. None of us have a clue what OP was trying to accomplish with the main post.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Maybe the SWAC and MEAC sell more tickets then the SL and OVC? Here's your participation ribbon?

Both are good football conferences and so forth but if that is the gist of it then I'd have to say that it's sort of odd to thump a chest about it against conferences that ain't exactly oozing fandemonium.

I'm happy that they do pull in some serious peops for their big games. I think it's great. I'm more interested in the football though and it doesn't appear that it's nearly as much about that in those conferences but to each their own.xthumbsupx

I'm still not sure if I'm talking about the right thing. xlolx

Regardless, the thread is pretty fun.

[813Jag]

I literally have no idea what's going on in this thread. I've read that link 4 times.

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[Panther88]

Oh the mighty SWAC and MEAC how we aren't mightier than thou.


Where do we need to walk in line to kiss your feet and give our offerings? We are not worthy! We are not worthy!

YES! YES! BOW DOWN AND KISS THE FEET!!!! xasswhipx xsmhx

Just don't send your football team to play a SWAC team or it'll be minimum 55-0 your way mid-way 2nd quarter. The football play is atrocious and quite elementary. :( xasswhipx

[Bisonator]

I don't know why but I felt compelled to join the discussion. Could you all repeat the part about the thing you were saying???xlolx

[bluedog]

xlolxxbawlingxxlolx I Swear I don't know which is more hilarious. The unsolicited hatred, the pretentious confusion, the shining or the accumulated stupidity of it all. xlolx

[Nickels]

xlolxxbawlingxxlolx I Swear I don't know which is more hilarious. The unsolicited hatred, the pretentious confusion, the shining or the accumulated stupidity of it all. xlolxYeah everyone in this thread is an idiot but you xthumbsupx

[chattownmocs]

xlmaox



Honestly I don't really care. But the idea of integration is to bring people in and blend their culture with yours. Not to bring a few people in and have them to conform to your culture. The reason why these big HBCU games make so much money is because they are based entirely on your culture. Integrate.

[Professor Chaos]

xlolxxbawlingxxlolx I Swear I don't know which is more hilarious. The unsolicited hatred, the pretentious confusion, the shining or the accumulated stupidity of it all. xlolx
The Shining wasn't very funny to me... in fact it was somewhat frightening.

http://wfiles.brothersoft.com/t/t_s/the_shining_58569-480x360.jpg

The funniest thing to me is your amazing ability to keep posting in this thread while saying absolutely nothing of substance beyond a collection of disjointed and misrepresented numbers in the original post. Keep it up though, this is some primo offseason entertainment.

[813Jag]

Honestly I don't really care. But the idea of integration is to bring people in and blend their culture with yours. Not to bring a few people in and have them to conform to your culture. The reason why these big HBCU games make so much money is because they are based entirely on your culture. Integrate.
I integrate every game I go to, I always bring white people with me.

[superman7515]

I integrate every game I go to, I always bring white people with me.

But she's an Eagles fan. :(

[813Jag]

But she's an Eagles fan. :(
nothing I can do about that xlolx

[NoDak 4 Ever]

The Shining wasn't very funny to me... in fact it was somewhat frightening.

http://wfiles.brothersoft.com/t/t_s/the_shining_58569-480x360.jpg

The funniest thing to me is your amazing ability to keep posting in this thread while saying absolutely nothing of substance beyond a collection of disjointed and misrepresented numbers in the original post. Keep it up though, this is some primo offseason entertainment.

I predict a devolution of this thread into a bunch of stupid gifs.

[813Jag]

I predict a devolution of this thread into a bunch of stupid gifs.

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[NoDak 4 Ever]

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[clenz]

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[bluedog]

xlolxxbawlingxxlolx xlolx




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[bluedog]

The Shining wasn't very funny to me... in fact it was somewhat frightening.

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The funniest thing to me is your amazing ability to keep posting in this thread while saying absolutely nothing of substance beyond a collection of disjointed and misrepresented numbers in the original post. Keep it up though, this is some primo offseason entertainment.

xlolxxbawlingxxlolx xlolx who are you? OMG!

xlolxxbawlingxxlolx xlolx

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[NoDak 4 Ever]

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[clenz]

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That dude is funny as hell and I enjoy his music.

Extremely intelligent and well thought out

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[Professor Chaos]

What do SWAC and MEAC schools make?!?!?

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...than the SLC and OVC.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

That dude is funny as hell and I enjoy his music.

Extremely intelligent and well thought out

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I just wanted to get that gif in somewhere.

[Panther88]

"We" get what "we" ask for so no one else is to blame for the onslaught that was begging for negative attention.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. xsmhx

I'd like to continue down the path of discussion as to the rationale WHY the SWAC continues to isolate, actually segregate, itself from mainstream D-I FCS football participation/competition. It's almost mind-boggling how alleged modern day "educators" continue this fallacy. What's even more perplexing is the proximity of the SWAC to the SLC being in the same footprint(s), for the most part, and @ one point, NO SWAC team would venture into football competition vs the SLC. Only w/in the last few recent years has some semblance of interactivity occurred, gridiron wise. Reeling in 600-student lol "church" & club team sponsoring Virginia University-Lynchburg, 719-student "powerhouse" lol Concordia College (the SWAC's annual 3-game whore), 800-student and perrenial "powerhouse" lol Edward Waters College, 3156-student and nationally renowned Lincoln University (Missouri), 2116-student and current lol "powerhouse" Central State University, and 900-student "powerhouse" lol Texas College is the norm and obvious objective.

You are more than welcome to check SWAC football schedules over the last 10 years and even this current fall to view how athletic competivity was NOT the primary objective. A few, their schedules substantiate my assertion(s).

[NoDak 4 Ever]

"We" get what "we" ask for so no one else is to blame for the onslaught that was begging for negative attention.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. xsmhx

I'd like to continue down the path of discussion as to the rationale WHY the SWAC continues to isolate, actually segregate, itself from mainstream D-I FCS football participation/competition. It's almost mind-boggling how alleged modern day "educators" continue this fallacy. What's even more perplexing is the proximity of the SWAC to the SLC being in the same footprint(s), for the most part, and @ one point, NO SWAC team would venture into football competition vs the SLC. Only w/in the last few recent years has some semblance of interactivity occurred, gridiron wise. Reeling in 600-student lol "church" & club team sponsoring Virginia University-Lynchburg, 719-student "powerhouse" lol Concordia College (the SWAC's annual 3-game whore), 800-student and perrenial "powerhouse" lol Edward Waters College, 3156-student and nationally renowned Lincoln University (Missouri), 2116-student and current lol "powerhouse" Central State University, and 900-student "powerhouse" lol Texas College.

You are more than welcome to check SWAC football schedules over the last 10 years to view how athletic competivity was NOT the main goal.

From an outsider's perspective, it looks like you all got sold out by Southern and Grambling. While that may not be the oldest "classic", it certainly is the biggest in terms of exposure. PVAM is a perfect example of one of the "other teams" that don't enjoy the exposure of these big classic games.

As for HBCU's, you can be whatever you want to be but you are also hamstrung by low enrollments, especially the public land grants. I'm puzzled why you don't just go down to DII or DIII. You can still offer all the financial aid you want, just not the traditional athletic scholarships.

[813Jag]

From an outsider's perspective, it looks like you all got sold out by Southern and Grambling. While that may not be the oldest "classic", it certainly is the biggest in terms of exposure. PVAM is a perfect example of one of the "other teams" that don't enjoy the exposure of these big classic games.

As for HBCU's, you can be whatever you want to be but you are also hamstrung by low enrollments, especially the public land grants. I'm puzzled why you don't just go down to DII or DIII. You can still offer all the financial aid you want, just not the traditional athletic scholarships.

How did we sell them out? They play a big classic game against Grambling as well. I believe it has been televised as well. Speaking for my school, I'd rather we stay DI because we compete well in other sports.

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[NoDak 4 Ever]

How did we sell them out? They play a big classic game against Grambling as well. I believe it has been televised as well. Speaking for my school, I'd rather we stay DI because we compete well in other sports.

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Would you give up that big NBC deal to participate in the playoffs? The State Fair Classic is not televised, at least according to PVAM's website.

[Panther88]

Would you give up that big NBC deal to participate in the playoffs? The State Fair Classic is not televised, at least according to PVAM's website.

No, it's not televised. At one point, I think F-SW carried it for 2 years (2-yr deal, if memory serves correct).

I don't think Grambling or Southern is keeping PVAMU down. PVAMU is actually keeping PVAMU down, in its last 40 year spiral of athletic non-competivity. I said it awhile ago and will restate again... how in sans hell can a PVAMU, RESIDING in HS fertile recruiting ground TEXAS, sign only 4-5 Texas HS student-athletes to LOI spr 2013 out of a 19 signee class and again only 5-6 Texas HS student-athletes out of a 20 signee class spr 2014? PVAMU isn't interested in competing. PVAMU is only interested in fielding a team just to say it has one lol while continuing to blow $$$ on over-inflated salaries in the (un)"athletic" department. They hardly make any efforts, locally, to recruit @ the superior academic and athletic HSs. xsmhx There are quite a few w/in a 50-72 minute drive from PVAMU's front door. xsmhx

But in the end, you are what you hire. And you are what you hired desires to bring in, just because. xsmhx

[813Jag]

Would you give up that big NBC deal to participate in the playoffs? The State Fair Classic is not televised, at least according to PVAM's website.
Me personally I would, the game has only been televised on NBC since 1990. I think the issue is more people comfortable with the date of the game than it actually being on TV.

[bluedog]

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[NoDak 4 Ever]

Me personally I would, the game has only been televised on NBC since 1990. I think the issue is more people comfortable with the date of the game than it actually being on TV.

I would love to see everybody in FCS compete in the playoffs. SWAC and Ivy included. The Ivies compete in every other sport's championship, I don't know why they don't football.

[Panther88]

I would love to see everybody in FCS compete in the playoffs. SWAC and Ivy included. The Ivies compete in every other sport's championship, I don't know why they don't football.

(IVYs) Legacy, historical affiliations, elitist(s) segregation perhaps?

[NoDak 4 Ever]

(IVYs) Legacy, historical affiliations, elitist(s) segregation perhaps?

That seems to be limited to football. They muck around with the dregs in basketball just fine.

[Panther88]

That seems to be limited to football. They muck around with the dregs in basketball just fine.

Yes, just football. IMHO, basketball is a differing animal. 5 good starters(know their roles + <1-3> stolid 2nd teamers) + great coaching/schemes = equalizer. I seriously doubt an IVY could go head-up too well w/ a UND or NDSU on the gridiron. Too much (athletic) talent @ the dakotas.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Yes, just football. IMHO, basketball is a differing animal. 5 good starters(know their roles + <1-3> stolid 2nd teamers) + great coaching/schemes = equalizer. I seriously doubt an IVY could go head-up too well w/ a UND or NDSU on the gridiron. Too much (athletic) talent @ the dakotas.

It doesn't stop the Patriot or Pioneer teams. The best of the Ivies could hold their own against some.

[Panther88]

It doesn't stop the Patriot or Pioneer teams. The best of the Ivies could hold their own against some.

I wouldn't bet the house on the topsters in the Ivy though ND4E. At some point, (athleticism) quality and depth will come into play. We see it in FBS vs FCS matchups alot. Would you not agree? Think Univ of Alabama vs others when you respond.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I wouldn't bet the house on the topsters in the Ivy though ND4E. At some point, (athleticism) quality and depth will come into play. We see it in FBS vs FCS matchups alot. Would you not agree? Think Univ of Alabama vs others when you respond.

Well I wouldn't say it's quite like that. You do need some support institutionally, yes but I can't imagine that PVAM couldn't be just as good as SHSU or even SFA with your recruiting base if given half a chance.

[centennial]

I wouldn't bet the house on the topsters in the Ivy though ND4E. At some point, (athleticism) quality and depth will come into play. We see it in FBS vs FCS matchups alot. Would you not agree? Think Univ of Alabama vs others when you respond.
The top 1-2 teams from the Ivies are good enough to give most teams in the FCS a good game. They would probably fail against most playoff caliber teams.

[WestCoastAggie]

SMH...

[NoDak 4 Ever]

The top 1-2 teams from the Ivies are good enough to give most teams in the FCS a good game. They would probably fail against most playoff caliber teams.

So would anyone but the top 4 or so. Lot of room between there and the rest of the field

[bluedog]

19054

Angry black bird. xlolx

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[Panther88]

You do need some support institutionally, yes but I can't imagine that PVAM couldn't be just as good as SHSU or even SFA with your recruiting base if given half a chance.

+1. Key words: "if given half a chance(recruiting base)."

[Panther88]

FTAR (For The AGS Record): All SWAC "grads" are not on the same (mental) level so please do not lump us into one category. You have those w/ intell, ala moi, and then you have the "bluedogs" of the world who easily strive to demonstrate their intense lack of intelligence by providing incoherent rambling rhetoric of nothingness, like this thread. xlolx Good job "bluedog." xsmhx

Education can cure ignorance but it cannot cure stupidity, unfortunately. I am quite saddened of such an elemtary display from "blue." :(

[number1]

Honestly I don't really care. But the idea of integration is to bring people in and blend their culture with yours. Not to bring a few people in and have them to conform to your culture. The reason why these big HBCU games make so much money is because they are based entirely on your culture. Integrate.

So how many other conferences are integrated? I don't recall the SoCon or Colonial offering SC State or BCU a slot in their conference.

[number1]

From an outsider's perspective, it looks like you all got sold out by Southern and Grambling. While that may not be the oldest "classic", it certainly is the biggest in terms of exposure. PVAM is a perfect example of one of the "other teams" that don't enjoy the exposure of these big classic games.

As for HBCU's, you can be whatever you want to be but you are also hamstrung by low enrollments, especially the public land grants. I'm puzzled why you don't just go down to DII or DIII. You can still offer all the financial aid you want, just not the traditional athletic scholarships.

How did they get sold out by us and Grambling? The Bayou Classic has nothing to do with the SWAC's ability to participate in the playoffs. I don't know how many different ways we can say it for folks to understand that. Jackson State went to the playoffs several times during the 90s, and last time I checked we had the Bayou Classic on the same weekend it has been on since the 70s. So explain to me again how the Bayou Classic, SU, and Grambling are holding the SWAC back again?

[Panther88]

Someone come get "bluedog," he seems to have just had an accident. Po' blue... :(

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[McNeese72]

Wading through the messages in this string has re-affirmed my belief that FOOTBALL SEASON NEEDS TO GET HERE FAST!!!!!

:)


Is it football season, yet??

[GAD]

So how many other conferences are integrated? I don't recall the SoCon or Colonial offering SC State or BCU a slot in their conference.
number1 don't waste your time with this dude he's to hardheaded to get it

[centennial]

FTAR (For The AGS Record): All SWAC "grads" are not on the same (mental) level so please do not lump us into one category. You have those w/ intell, ala moi, and then you have the "bluedogs" of the world who easily strive to demonstrate their intense lack of intelligence by providing incoherent rambling rhetoric of nothingness, like this thread. xlolx Good job "bluedog." xsmhx

Education can cure ignorance but it cannot cure stupidity, unfortunately. I am quite saddened of such an elemtary display from "blue." :(
Bluedog has run away from this thread because he despises logic. Why are you trying to segregate him?

[NoDak 4 Ever]

How did they get sold out by us and Grambling? The Bayou Classic has nothing to do with the SWAC's ability to participate in the playoffs. I don't know how many different ways we can say it for folks to understand that. Jackson State went to the playoffs several times during the 90s, and last time I checked we had the Bayou Classic on the same weekend it has been on since the 70s. So explain to me again how the Bayou Classic, SU, and Grambling are holding the SWAC back again?

As i said, would either of those schools give up the money to participate in the playoffs?

[Panther88]

Bluedog has run away from this thread because he despises logic. Why are you trying to segregate him?

That dumb scumbucket ran away from this thread because you and others called him out on his ignorance and then I kicked him under the bus as it rolled past. I cannot support wrong.

Maybe he was smoking weed or inhaling petrochemicals from a neighboring plant when he created this thread. My only qualm was the chest thumping he was attempting to do to show how "superior" the SWAC is(was) w/ respect to tix sales rev generation vs everyone else while SWAC football play is elementary and quite atrocious. *smh* How dumb of him. It's people like him and his stupid mindset that limits current SWAC institutions from moving forward w/ participation in mainstream D-I FCS, the division they chose to call home. xsmhx

[813Jag]

As i said, would either of those schools give up the money to participate in the playoffs?
I'm quite sure I answered this, but I'll put it another way. Or do you want an answer from every Southern poster?
Some fans are interested in the playoffs and others are not. If there was a way to move the game and still make money it would happen. Its been done before since Grambling has been to the playoffs in the past.

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[NoDak 4 Ever]

I'm quite sure I answered this, but I'll put it another way. Or do you want an answer from every Southern poster?
Some fans are interested in the playoffs and others are not. If there was a way to move the game and still make money it would happen. Its been done before since Grambling has been to the playoffs in the past.

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I was responding to someone who hadn't read our earlier responses.

It appears that the only two classics that impede the SWAC from participating in the playoffs are the Turkey Day and Bayou Classic. The tv schedules and sponsors likely want those to happen on the day they do so the 4 schools would have to forgo the money.

[number1]

I was responding to someone who hadn't read our earlier responses.

It appears that the only two classics that impede the SWAC from participating in the playoffs are the Turkey Day and Bayou Classic. The tv schedules and sponsors likely want those to happen on the day they do so the 4 schools would have to forgo the money.

I keep telling you that the Bayou Classic does not impede the SWAC from participating. While SU and Grambling played in the Bayou Classic and SU went to play in the Heritage Bowl, Jackson State participated in the FCS playoffs in the 90s.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I keep telling you that the Bayou Classic does not impede the SWAC from participating. While SU and Grambling played in the Bayou Classic and SU went to play in the Heritage Bowl, Jackson State participated in the FCS playoffs in the 90s.

OK, so absent the "classic" games, what prevents the SWAC from participating regularly in the playoffs?

[813Jag]

I was responding to someone who hadn't read our earlier responses.

It appears that the only two classics that impede the SWAC from participating in the playoffs are the Turkey Day and Bayou Classic. The tv schedules and sponsors likely want those to happen on the day they do so the 4 schools would have to forgo the money.

The SWAC championship game is the main barrier for the majority of the league. Also the TDC has been moved up this season since Tuskegee pulled out of the game. Before 99 our league champ or runner up got an at large but the league scheduled better and we only had 8 teams at that time.

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[ursus arctos horribilis]

If a conference has a championship game it can not participate in the playoffs. That is where the problem lies I believe.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

If a conference has a championship game it can not participate in the playoffs. That is where the problem lies I believe.

Wait, the two teams in the championship can't participate in the playoffs I believe is the rule but as was said Jackson St. and others have been in.

[number1]

Wait, the two teams in the championship can't participate in the playoffs I believe is the rule but as was said Jackson St. and others have been in.

We started the championship game for 1998-1999 season. Prior to that, the SWAC sent a team to the playoffs. So it is in fact the SWAC Championship Game that is the barrier for SWAC participation in the playoffs, not the Bayou Classic.

[number1]

OK, so absent the "classic" games, what prevents the SWAC from participating regularly in the playoffs?

The SWAC Championship Game.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

We started the championship game for 1998-1999 season. Prior to that, the SWAC sent a team to the playoffs. So it is in fact the SWAC Championship Game that is the barrier for SWAC participation in the playoffs, not the Bayou Classic.

Yes, I thought it was the fact that a conference having a championship game precluded the whole conference but then remembered playing JSU so was trying to sort out possibilities...thanks for the clarification there.

[bamasax4]

Why the strong dislike for Classic games?

[Nickels]

Why the strong dislike for Classic games?
Personally, I don't dislike them but calling a game between a couple of poor to mediocre teams a "classic" is a bit silly. I just don't care for them and wont watch.

[bamasax4]

Personally, I don't dislike them but calling a game between a couple of poor to mediocre teams a "classic" is a bit silly. I just don't care for them and wont watch.

I see.

[superman7515]

The SWAC Championship Game.

The SWAC is still eligible for an at-large selection, just not an autobid to the SWAC champ due to the game. It would take, for example, Jackson State running the table to receive the SCG invite from the East and Alcorn State going 11-1 in the East with a couple of quality wins and their only loss to 12-0 Jackson State (insert whatever teams you want for JSU and Alcorn), but it is techinically possible.

[Wallace]

The SWAC is still eligible for an at-large selection, just not an autobid to the SWAC champ due to the game. It would take, for example, Jackson State running the table to receive the SCG invite from the East and Alcorn State going 11-1 in the East with a couple of quality wins and their only loss to 12-0 Jackson State (insert whatever teams you want for JSU and Alcorn), but it is techinically possible.

This is correct as has been stated many times on AGS. xthumbsupx

[NoDak 4 Ever]

The SWAC is still eligible for an at-large selection, just not an autobid to the SWAC champ due to the game. It would take, for example, Jackson State running the table to receive the SCG invite from the East and Alcorn State going 11-1 in the East with a couple of quality wins and their only loss to 12-0 Jackson State (insert whatever teams you want for JSU and Alcorn), but it is techinically possible.

It may have not been so important in the days before every conference received an autobid. Now that the SWAC would get an autobid if they wanted it, they are making a barrier for themselves to do so at the expense of some of their institutions.

[superman7515]

The SWAC was one of the original 8 conferences to get an autobid and had one until 1999, they voluntarily surrendered it.

[clenz]

And they went 0-18 in the playoffs...

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[NoDak 4 Ever]

The SWAC was one of the original 8 conferences to get an autobid and had one until 1999, they voluntarily surrendered it.

Lot of whats but not a lot of whys. At least none that make any sense

[bluedog]

Bluedog has run away from this thread because he despises logic. Why are you trying to segregate him?

Actually I have better things to do with my life than entertain intentional stupidity.

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[Panther88]

And they went 0-18 in the playoffs...

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Instead of attempting to become more competitive and upgrading athletic play, the conference as a whole decided to take their ball and go home. Even during that period of the early to mid-90s, there's no way a Prairie View A&M University should have been allowed to remain @ the then division-Iaa level offering ZERO athletic scholarships for ~5 years and afterwards, starting offering 15 total football scholarships and eventually 20 4 years post. Even now, and I'm not 100% certain so don't quote me too much but I think Mississippi Valley State only offers 37 total football scholarships (if that, I recall seeing the magic #"32" somewhere earlier on). The SWAC conference seemingly has zero guidelines regarding minimum standards for athletic participation applied towards its 10 member institutions. If it has them, I'm not aware and have not seen anything in writing as far as by-laws for minimum requirements. I'm not sure of what other conferences have and particularly don't care @ this juncture. MVSU w/ a 3.8mill $ athletic budget @ the D-I level? xsmhx

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Instead of attempting to become more competitive and upgrading athletic play, the conference as a whole decided to take their ball and go home. Even during that period of the early to mid-90s, there's no way a Prairie View A&M University should have been allowed to remain @ the then division-Iaa level offering ZERO athletic scholarships for ~5 years and afterwards, starting offering 15 total football scholarships and eventually 20 4 years post. Even now, and I'm not 100% certain so don't quote me too much but I think Mississippi Valley State only offers 37 total football scholarships (if that, I recall seeing the magic #"32" somewhere earlier on). The SWAC conference seemingly has zero guidelines regarding minimum standards for athletic participation applied towards its 10 member institutions. If it has them, I'm not aware and have not seen anything in writing as far as by-laws for minimum requirements. I'm not sure of what other conferences have and particularly don't care @ this juncture. MVSU w/ a 3.8mill $ athletic budget @ the D-I level? xsmhx

Wait, isn't the traditional mission for HCBU's to provide MORE educational opportunities and not less?

[Panther88]

Wait, isn't the traditional mission for HCBU's (HBCUs) ;) to provide MORE educational opportunities and not less?

Couldn't help it ND4E ^^^^^. You type just as fast as I do.

Yes ND4E, that was the original mission. Granted, the budgets of HBCUs, from what I've ascertained through the years, severely lacked and for most, was probably the dot item on (state/system) educational budgets. Again, I cannot speak for others but I know factually Prairie View A&M was severely underfunded up to ~ year start of 1980s. It had to literally be written into the state's constitution regarding "same" and "equitable" provisions as its sister schools, as well as that moo-cow school in austin. Up to that point, it was severely underfunded by Texas and the Texas A&M University System, the parental system.

W/ regards to sports, leaving the 1970s, I think a lot of HBCU athl admins did not plan for the future and relied on the old addage "they will come here (super-athletes) because they have no where else to go." Hence, we see dilapitated football venues like Prairie View's (google "worst collegiate football stadium in america"). It's 2014 and that thing still exists and it will be used for the last time (possibly) this fall. It's almost mind-boggling there were people being paid nice salaries through the years NOT to do the job they were hired to do. xsmhx

[813Jag]

Lot of whats but not a lot of whys. At least none that make any sense
the only answer I can give is that we had a dumb commissioner that has no idea how to handle a 10 team league and he chased money with a championship game. I don't know what else you seek.

[813Jag]

And they went 0-18 in the playoffs...

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and not one person has denied that

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Couldn't help it ND4E ^^^^^. You type just as fast as I do.

Yes ND4E, that was the original mission. Granted, the budgets of HBCUs, from what I've ascertained through the years, severely lacked and for most, was probably the dot item on (state/system) educational budgets. Again, I cannot speak for others but I know factually Prairie View A&M was severely underfunded up to ~ year start of 1980s. It had to literally be written into the state's constitution regarding "same" and "equitable" provisions as its sister schools, as well as that moo-cow school in austin. Up to that point, it was severely underfunded by Texas and the Texas A&M University System, the parental system.

W/ regards to sports, leaving the 1970s, I think a lot of HBCU athl admins did not plan for the future and relied on the old addage "they will come here (super-athletes) because they have no where else to go." Hence, we see dilapitated football venues like Prairie View's (google "worst collegiate football stadium in america"). It's 2014 and that thing still exists and it will be used for the last time (possibly) this fall. It's almost mind-boggling there were people being paid nice salaries through the years NOT to do the job they were hired to do. xsmhx

My fingers go way too fast for my brain sometimes. I don't envy you being in Texas.


the only answer I can give is that we had a dumb commissioner that has no idea how to handle a 10 team league and he chased money with a championship game. I don't know what else you seek.

Maybe that's what I was getting at with the exhibition games, they earn money for the schools so I guess that's better?

[Panther88]

Yes, 0-18 and I think it was former commish James Franks who convinced the crew (council of SWAC presidents) to forego the playoffs and create the SCG (SWAC Championship Game). I guess he (& the others) saw the (financial) success that the D-I FBS types were having w/ regards to splitting a conference into divisions and then host a championship game @ the end of the season to determine the conference champion, along w/ the notion that SWAC schools, even when having a super-squad, historically would have to travel to remote places in the first-round games and were never allowed to host a 1st round playoff game, unless it involved another HBCU (see Jackson St Univ last hosting). The question that INSTANTLY popped into my head was "did the HBCU athl admins submit proper paperwork to host a 1st round game?" and "was the prospective SWAC champion (then) financially able to front the required $$$, which also was used to cover travel expenses for the visiting team?" I find a LOT of fault in the way the former athl "admins" (did not) handled athl business. I think a lot of those former guys were quite collegiate athl business inept.

[813Jag]

Yes, 0-18 and I think it was former commish James Franks who convinced the crew (council of SWAC presidents) to forego the playoffs and create the SCG (SWAC Championship Game). I guess he (& the others) saw the (financial) success that the D-I FBS types were having w/ regards to splitting a conference into divisions and then host a championship game @ the end of the season to determine the conference champion, along w/ the notion that SWAC schools, even when having a super-squad, historically would have to travel to remote places in the first-round games and were never allowed to host a 1st round playoff game, unless it involved another HBCU (see Jackson St Univ last hosting). The question that INSTANTLY popped into my head was "did the HBCU athl admins submit proper paperwork to host a 1st round game?" and "was the prospective SWAC champion (then) financially able to front the required $$$, which also was used to cover travel expenses for the visiting team?" I find a LOT of fault in the way the former athl "admins" (did not) handled athl business. I think a lot of those former guys were quite collegiate athl business inept.

Didn't Rudy have a hand in that too?

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[centennial]

Actually I have better things to do with my life than entertain intentional stupidity.

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Are you sure?

[813Jag]

My fingers go way too fast for my brain sometimes. I don't envy you being in Texas.



Maybe that's what I was getting at with the exhibition games, they earn money for the schools so I guess that's better?

I think things like that have to be viewed on a school by school basis. What's good for Southern won't be good for MVSU. The league doesn't always see it that way. Not every matchup in the SCG will draw well.

Neutral site games aren't for everyone. Of course some games don't care who they invite because 1) they draw well regardless ( circle city classic of years past) or 2) the promoted and run poorly.

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[Panther88]

Didn't Rudy have a hand in that too?

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Excellent question 813. During that time, I thought that power had already transitioned to Rudy Washington(~1998) from James Frank... I'm not sure if it was part of Franks transition (of power) or not. That was near or at the time period of the move of SWAC HQ from the NO to Bama. I'd have to look over dates/timelines to ensure.

[Panther88]

I was looking over old articiles when Rudy Washington was hired as SWAC commissioner and found this one in the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal w/ regards for Washington's main thrust, which was to give SWAC institutions more exposure.



Cedric Dempsey, the executive director of the NCAA, said there were a few ways to promote the SWAC, one of which was to extend playoffs in the conference. Another might be bringing in higher exposure teams.

"I think one of the issues is getting power conference teams to play them at home," Dempsey said. "That's one of the things it will take to make this happen."




Fast forward 16 years and look @ what we have. xsmhx

[813Jag]

I was looking over old articiles when Rudy Washington was hired as SWAC commissioner and found this one in the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal w/ regards for Washington's main thrust, which was to give SWAC institutions more exposure.



Fast forward 16 years and look @ what we have. xsmhx
Good ole Rudy xlolx xsmhx

[number1]

Do the fanbases of the SWAC want to participate in the playoffs? I am sure if there was a push from the fans to participate then you would see changes. I know I personally liked playing for the SWAC Championship. I would only support the playoffs if it was going to be beneficial to our program.

[JROCK]

Do the fanbases of the SWAC want to participate in the playoffs? I am sure if there was a push from the fans to participate then you would see changes. I know I personally liked playing for the SWAC Championship. Especially since our current AD has started scheduling OOC FCS games too.

Personally, I would like to play FCS programs during the regular season. No way I would give up playing in Houston's Reliant Stadium in a nationally televised championship game to play in the boonies. However, "different strokes for different folks." If I had it my way though, there would only be 8 mandatory conference games and 3 out of conference games. I would also mandate no sub FCS games on the schedule. However, I would grandfather in Tuskegee limiting them to only playing Bama State due to their historical rivalry. That means if Skegee doesn't show up for the Turkey Day Classic, it must be a FCS program.

[813Jag]

Personally, I would like to play FCS programs during the regular season. No way I would give up playing in Houston's Reliant Stadium in a nationally televised championship game to play in the boonies. However, "different strokes for different folks." If I had it my way though, there would only be 8 mandatory conference games and 3 out of conference games. I would also mandate no sub FCS games on the schedule. However, I would grandfather in Tuskegee limiting them to only playing Bama State due to their historical rivalry. That means if Skegee doesn't show up for the Turkey Day Classic, it must be a FCS program.
I'm on the other side of the fence, I have no real issue with the SCG. But to me there's nothing better than winning the SWAC, playing a solid schedule and seeing where you stand against the rest of the nation (just like in basketball). With the expanded playoffs you have a better chance of hosting games.

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[citdog]

Get in the Playoffs or get out. Same goes for the Ivy.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Personally, I would like to play FCS programs during the regular season. No way I would give up playing in Houston's Reliant Stadium in a nationally televised championship game to play in the boonies. However, "different strokes for different folks." If I had it my way though, there would only be 8 mandatory conference games and 3 out of conference games. I would also mandate no sub FCS games on the schedule. However, I would grandfather in Tuskegee limiting them to only playing Bama State due to their historical rivalry. That means if Skegee doesn't show up for the Turkey Day Classic, it must be a FCS program.

ESPNU is national television? I'm not crowing about ESPN2 but come on.......

[3rd Coast Tiger]

Get in the Playoffs or get out. Same goes for the Ivy.

I'm for an across the board playoff system however that is financially beneficial for both host team and visiting team.

As I've stated on several posts, if you or anyone is adamant about the SWAC/Ivy with the "participate or get out" motto, I ask/beg that you be the trailblazer and start the movement yourself to have both conferences removed from the Football Championship Subdivision.

It's that simple; with enough "POGO (Participate Or Get Out)" protestors it can get done right?

Hey, that is catchy "POGO" use that as your catch phrase.

Can't say I didn't help to start the movement.

[TheRevSFA]

Southern's numbers are higher due to the Classics.

..and I would love to see the SWAC come back to the playoffs. Hope it happens someday

[BluBengal07]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/leaving-now-grandpa-simpsons.gif

not even worth the time...

[clenz]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/leaving-now-grandpa-simpsons.gif

not even worth the time...
xlolx

[JROCK]

Southern's numbers are higher due to the Classics.

..and I would love to see the SWAC come back to the playoffs. Hope it happens someday

Classic numbers aren't counted in attendance as a rule of thumb. However, there is a NCAA stipulation that a school can have a home designation at another site within a certain amount of miles. The New Orleans Superdome is a home designation for Southern University that fits the NCAA criterion. Hence, when Southern U is the home team for the Bayou Classic, we're able to use the attendance numbers which is every other year. Consequently the classics that we play in at other venues are not counted in our attendance numbers............

[813Jag]

Southern's numbers are higher due to the Classics.

..and I would love to see the SWAC come back to the playoffs. Hope it happens someday
the one classic we played in didn't count toward our home attendance.

[SUPharmacist]

ESPNU is national television? I'm not crowing about ESPN2 but come on.......

Eh, some people crow about ESPN3. If people want access to the game they can get it with ESPNU. Like many have said, I would love to see the SWAC and Ivies participate in the postseason.

[number1]

Southern's numbers are higher due to the Classics.

..and I would love to see the SWAC come back to the playoffs. Hope it happens someday

You are wrong. We only played in 1 Classic last season and that was the Bayou Classic. We were not the designated home team last season in that game, so our numbers are 100% from home attendance. We had somewhere around 30,000 for our game against Jackson State, and around 28,000 for our game against Alcorn State.

[Ivytalk]

Happy Father's Day, fellas. I just scratch my head reading this thread. The most significant Ivy game last year was Harvard-Princeton, and barely 11,000 people saw it. Given the student freebies, ticket revenue for that game might have reached $100K. Maybe we should start a "classic" with a SWAC school to put some butts in the seats.

[centennial]

Happy Father's Day, fellas. I just scratch my head reading this thread. The most significant Ivy game last year was Harvard-Princeton, and barely 11,000 people saw it. Given the student freebies, ticket revenue for that game might have reached $100K. Maybe we should start a "classic" with a SWAC school to put some butts in the seats.
That would not be a fair game. The best of the ivies are often good teams.

[JROCK]

Happy Father's Day, fellas. I just scratch my head reading this thread. The most significant Ivy game last year was Harvard-Princeton, and barely 11,000 people saw it. Given the student freebies, ticket revenue for that game might have reached $100K. Maybe we should start a "classic" with a SWAC school to put some butts in the seats.

Perhaps a bowl game would be a better idea since we are the only two conferences that don't go to the playoffs. I believe the bowl would have a better chance of succeeding if played in the South (at least until it can pick up steam).

[bluedog]

That would not be a fair game. The best of the ivies are often good teams.

Ahh...C'mon now, you just spoke with one of the most intelligent poster from the SWAC and you both concluded that PV needs to leave the SWAC because they're being held back.

Surely you can figured out a way to get PV together with Harvard, in a classic game that will garner both schools at least 35,000 fans in attendance.



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[Panther88]

Quick question, do they actually teach english in "lousy-ana?" xlolx

[Panther88]

Ahh...C'mon now, you just spoke with one of the most intelligent poster from the SWAC and you both concluded that PV needs to leave the SWAC because they're being held back.

Surely you can figured out a way to get PV together with Harvard, in a classic game that will garner both schools at least 35,000 fans in attendance.



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xsmhx lol Good grief, I'm sorry, I meant "the greef of gooder." (southernese language) lol

[dakotadan]

You are wrong. We only played in 1 Classic last season and that was the Bayou Classic. We were not the designated home team last season in that game, so our numbers are 100% from home attendance. We had somewhere around 30,000 for our game against Jackson State, and around 28,000 for our game against Alcorn State.

So what are they charging for tickets to these games? With attendance like that those two games should be raking in the money for the school. Out of curiosity I pulled up the box scores and the attendance is listed as 30,816 against Jackson State and 27,102 against Alcorn State. Do they give many tickets away or are they making prime dollar on these games?

[JROCK]

So what are they charging for tickets to these games? With attendance like that those two games should be raking in the money for the school. Out of curiosity I pulled up the box scores and the attendance is listed as 30,816 against Jackson State and 27,102 against Alcorn State. Do they give many tickets away or are they making prime dollar on these games?

Most athletic programs in Division I are liabilities. In 2013 Southern U for example used 24% of school funds to subsidize the program. The UND used 36% of school funds. Unless you're a LSU, Texas or schools of that ilk, chances are ticket sales is just one source of mitigating liability.

[number1]

So what are they charging for tickets to these games? With attendance like that those two games should be raking in the money for the school. Out of curiosity I pulled up the box scores and the attendance is listed as 30,816 against Jackson State and 27,102 against Alcorn State. Do they give many tickets away or are they making prime dollar on these games?

Definitely not for those 2 games. Homecoming and the JSU game(barring some horrible weather) are guaranteed sell-outs every year.

[number1]

Happy Father's Day, fellas. I just scratch my head reading this thread. The most significant Ivy game last year was Harvard-Princeton, and barely 11,000 people saw it. Given the student freebies, ticket revenue for that game might have reached $100K. Maybe we should start a "classic" with a SWAC school to put some butts in the seats.

That actually might not be a bad idea at all.

[bluedog]

Southern's numbers are higher due to the Classics.

..and I would love to see the SWAC come back to the playoffs. Hope it happens someday

That's like saying "you only won because you scored more points".

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[JROCK]

That's like saying "you only won because you scored more points".

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xlolxxlolx

[813Jag]

So what are they charging for tickets to these games? With attendance like that those two games should be raking in the money for the school. Out of curiosity I pulled up the box scores and the attendance is listed as 30,816 against Jackson State and 27,102 against Alcorn State. Do they give many tickets away or are they making prime dollar on these games?
Tickets range from $15 to $38


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[TheRevSFA]

It's so much fun to get SWAC Alumni riled up about their Classics.

Quick..someone say something about the bands only putting butts in the seats.

[813Jag]

It's so much fun to get SWAC Alumni riled up about their Classics.

Quick..someone say something about the bands only putting butts in the seats.
It's nice that you guys followed along and got aboard the classic/neutral site train. xlolx

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[TheRevSFA]

It's nice that you guys followed along and got aboard the classic/neutral site train. xlolx

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xnodx maybe soon you'll join the other conferences on the playoffs train as well.

[bluedog]

xnodx maybe soon you'll join the other conferences on the playoffs train as well.

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.