OT - Historical Info Bar

[superman7515]

Nice addition UAH

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Nice addition UAH

Hey thanks supey. I've been trying to think of a way to get all this stored up info. (some used to be available in footer) since the change over last summer. Glad you like and if you don't mind would like to put the "how they fared" sheet in there and so forth when time comes around. Got room to put lots of links in there going forward.

A really big thanks to you and the other members of the site that have either spearheaded or helped with those sheets. I really like being able to go look at them and figure others will appreciate it as well.xthumbsupx

[citdog]

I like it too. Nice addition.

[hebmskebm]

Very cool, though according to the schedule grid the Wagner Seahawks changed their name to the number 0!

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Very cool, though according to the schedule grid the Wagner Seahawks changed their name to the number 0!

Uh oh, someone must've fat fingered a key. I'll go take a look.

[Sader87]

??? Where is this located here? Technology-challenged here xrotatehx

[citdog]

We coulda been in the big east.


FIFY

[ursus arctos horribilis]

??? Where is this located here? Technology-challenged here xrotatehx

It's the bar just above and to the right of "Reply to thread" button at the top left of this page and it sits in that header spot on all pages I'm pretty sure.

If you still don't see it then it is probably because of cookies that haven't changed over yet on your browser. You could log out and log back in and it would probably show up.

[RichH2]

Very nice.great addition

[Sader87]

Gotcha, found it....thanks UAH

[MR. CHICKEN]

18947..........FWIW...2007 CHAMPIONSHIP GAME SCORE.....IN FCS PLAYOFF HISTORY....SHOOD READ....APP. ST. 49....U. OF D. 21.........NOT..... APP. ST. 19.... DELAWARE 21...(#1 WAS MISTAKEN OVERAH #4...AH GIT IT)...JES' DIDN'T WANT...NO MOUSEKETEERS...GOIN' OFFAH SOME...APP. TRAIL.....TRAIN TRESTLE..........BRAWK!

[citdog]

Charlotte is listed as FBS on the schedule of Campbell but not The Citadel.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

18947..........FWIW...2007 CHAMPIONSHIP GAME SCORE.....IN FCS PLAYOFF HISTORY....SHOOD READ....APP. ST. 49....U. OF D. 21.........NOT..... APP. ST. 19.... DELAWARE 21...(#1 WAS MISTAKEN OVERAH #4...AH GIT IT)...JES' DIDN'T WANT...NO MOUSEKETEERS...GOIN' OFFAH SOME...APP. TRAIL.....TRAIN TRESTLE..........BRAWK!
Done


Charlotte is listed as FBS on the schedule of Campbell but not The Citadel.
& Done.

[Laker]

Mine is showing now near the top of the page- thanks Ursus!

[Bisonator]

I like it! xnodx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Some new links added today.

[OL FU]

I guess we need to ask Mountaineer if he is going to the be the keeper of the spreadsheet now that ASU is "Moving on Up"

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I guess we need to ask Mountaineer if he is going to the be the keeper of the spreadsheet now that ASU is "Moving on Up"

I did ask and he said he checks in here daily as it is and has an affection for FCS and will remain a follower of the division and will be keeping up the sheets he has in his control for the forseeable future.

I know each of you likes deflect credit for the work into it and say "hey, it's all the other guy that does this/started this" so I put both names on the sheet to mae it a shared credits thing. xlolx

I think I said it earlier but the members here come up with some extremely cool stuff so wanted to get it a place of permance on the board and say thanks to all of ya.

[clenz]

I got something fun I did this morning.

Playoff births by conference since 06...I think I got it right. The damn shifting of who was where and what not made it harder prior to about 2010




2013 (24)
2012 (20)
2011 (20)
2010 (20)
2009 (16)
2008 (16)
2007 (16)
Avg
Total


Big Sky
4
3
2
2
3
2
2
2.6
18


Big South
1
2
1
1
*
*
*
1.3
5


CAA
3
3
5
4
4
4
5
4.0
28


MEAC
2
1
1
2
1
1
1
1.3
9


MVFC
2
3
2
3
2
2
2
2.3
16


NEC
1
1
1
1
*
*
*
1.0
4


OVC
3
1
2
2
1
2
2
1.9
13


Patriot
2
1
1
1
1
1
1
1.1
8


PFL
1
*
*
*
*
*
*
1.0
1


SoCon
2
3
3
3
2
2
2
2.4
17


SLC
3
2
2
1
2
1
1
1.7
12


GWC
*
*
*
*
*
1
*
1.0
1




The larger field is actually "hurting" the CAA by limiting to 3 or 4 and GREATLY helping the Big Sky, MEAC and OVC...

The MVFC remains pretty much unchanged.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I got something fun I did this morning.

Playoff births by conference since 06...I think I got it right. The damn shifting of who was where and what not made it harder prior to about 2010




2013 (24)
2012 (20)
2011 (20)
2010 (20)
2009 (16)
2008 (16)
2007 (16)
Avg
Total


Big Sky
4
3
2
2
3
2
2
2.6
18


Big South
1
2
1
1
*
*
*
1.3
5


CAA
3
3
5
4
4
4
5
4.0
28


MEAC
2
1
1
2
1
1
1
1.3
9


MVFC
2
3
2
3
2
2
2
2.3
16


NEC
1
1
1
1
*
*
*
1.0
4


OVC
3
1
2
2
1
2
2
1.9
13


Patriot
2
1
1
1
1
1
1
1.1
8


PFL
1
*
*
*
*
*
*
1.0
1


SoCon
2
3
3
3
2
2
2
2.4
17


SLC
3
2
2
1
2
1
1
1.7
12


GWC
*
*
*
*
*
1
*
1.0
1




The larger field is actually "hurting" the CAA by limiting to 3 or 4 and GREATLY helping the Big Sky, MEAC and OVC...

The MVFC remains pretty much unchanged.

Nice. It shows what I was saying a few weeks back with regard to the BSC and the MVFC. We don't tradionally fare a lot better than any other of the upper FCS conferences and had that anomaly of last years 4 went the other way and YSU gotten in or UNI it'd be very equal.

Of course with the number of teams in the BSC now that could start happening more. Great grab clenzy.

[clenz]

I'll work on getting it further back.

Like I said with the addition of autobids and teams moving it takes more time than easily knowing who was where at the time and what not.

What I was refering to with the MVFC/BSC is that the expanded field should allow for top teams from top level conferences to get in rather than 2nd or 3rd place teams from the MEAC/OVC. That isn't the case for the MVFC. The Big Sky is seeing that boost...and will continue to, I'd bet. The MVFC likely won't

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I'll work on getting it further back.

Like I said with the addition of autobids and teams moving it takes more time than easily knowing who was where at the time and what not.

What I was refering to with the MVFC/BSC is that the expanded field should allow for top teams from top level conferences to get in rather than 2nd or 3rd place teams from the MEAC/OVC. That isn't the case for the MVFC. The Big Sky is seeing that boost...and will continue to, I'd bet. The MVFC likely won't

I agree with ya and am pretty sure that you are going to see this happen over a short period of time. I don't think it will be a trend that what happened last year will happen that often.

[OL FU]

I did ask and he said he checks in here daily as it is and has an affection for FCS and will remain a follower of the division and will be keeping up the sheets he has in his control for the forseeable future.

I know each of you likes deflect credit for the work into it and say "hey, it's all the other guy that does this/started this" so I put both names on the sheet to mae it a shared credits thing. xlolx

I think I said it earlier but the members here come up with some extremely cool stuff so wanted to get it a place of permance on the board and say thanks to all of ya.

I will admit to starting it but Mountaineer made improved it immensely. Glad he is sticking with it.

[clenz]

I agree with ya and am pretty sure that you are going to see this happen over a short period of time. I don't think it will be a trend that what happened last year will happen that often.
I have little faith in it going the other way....for reasons I'll not state publically right now - not because I know something but it's just an opinion that wouldn't be "kosher"

[superman7515]

I have little faith in it going the other way....for reasons I'll not state publically right now - not because I know something but it's just an opinion that wouldn't be "kosher"

So you blame the Jews?

http://nowhiphop.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/donald-sterling-5.jpg

[clenz]

So you blame the Jews?

http://nowhiphop.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/donald-sterling-5.jpg
Not quite...

[clenz]

Speaking of historical data...

Does anyone know when each conference started getting it's auto bid and how the autos worked prior to 1986 when it was 4, 8, and 12 teams

[superman7515]

Speaking of historical data...

Does anyone know when each conference started getting it's auto bid and how the autos worked prior to 1986 when it was 4, 8, and 12 teams

There were no autobids prior to 1986.

The conferences that got autobids then were:
Big Sky
MEAC
MVFC
OVC
SoCon
Southland
SWAC
Yankee

Patriot League autobid came along in 1997.
SWAC dropped out after the 1997 playoffs.
Yankee shifted to the A10 in 1997.
A10 shifted to the CAA in 2007.
NEC and Big South autobids came in 2010.
PFL autobid in 2013.

[clenz]

Was there a time that the MEAC did not participate in the playoffs?

I'm going creating a sheet and I don't see any MEAC teams in 94 or 95

[superman7515]

Was there a time that the MEAC did not participate in the playoffs?

I'm going creating a sheet and I don't see any MEAC teams in 94 or 95

There shouldn't be one in 1991 either. The MEAC champion declined the playoffs to face the SWAC champion in the Heritage Bowl in 1991, 1994, and 1995. In 1992, 1993, and 1996-1999 the MEAC champ accepted the autobid to the playoffs and a second place (or lower) team from the MEAC competed in the Heritage Bowl, which some SWAC fans say is the reason it failed and is no longer played.

[superman7515]

Well, 1991 was kind of a weird story. North Carolina A&T had clinched the MEAC title and accepted the berth to the Heritage Bowl. Then prior to the bowl game, the Howard coach admitted to NCAA infractions including using ineligible players during games and had to forfeit the season, giving Delaware State one more win (to tie NC A&T in the standings) and the Hornets held the tie-breaker due to a head-to-head victory over A&T. Thus the Delaware State Hornets should have been given the option to head to the playoffs or take the Heritage Bowl and A&T would have taken their place in whichever option Delaware State didn't take. But they didn't find out until a few weeks before the Heritage Bowl, by which time NC A&T had already sold too many tickets, and the playoffs had already started, so North Carolina A&T was allowed to remain in the Heritage Bowl despite not being the actual MEAC Champ, and DelState was kept out of both the bowl game and the playoffs.

[Daytripper]

Nice info! Thanks! I really enjoyed culling through the playoff appearances by school data. Of special note is NDSU's winning percentage and Jackson State's losing percentage. xcoffeex

[mvemjsunpx]

There were no autobids prior to 1986.

That can't be true, can it? Montana was 6-5 when they won the Big Sky and made the playoffs in 1982. Were they really an at-large?

[superman7515]

That can't be true, can it? Montana was 6-5 when they won the Big Sky and made the playoffs in 1982. Were they really an at-large?

They were ranked in the top 15 heading into the playoffs before the loss to an Idaho team they had beaten pillar to post in Missoula a month before, the losses to Hawaii and Oregon State (both 1A) didn't do any harm.

[mvemjsunpx]

They were ranked in the top 15 heading into the playoffs before the loss to an Idaho team they had beaten pillar to post in Missoula a month before, the losses to Hawaii and Oregon State (both 1A) didn't do any harm.

No, but still… 6-5 and #15? Wow. The Griz also did lose to Portland State, who was a 2-9 DII team that year.

[superman7515]

No, but still… 6-5 and #15? Wow. The Griz also did lose to Portland State, who was a 2-9 DII team that year.

A much different time, haha. Two 1A schools, a D2 school, and a D3 school on the schedule, all of which were basically ignored at the time. Played at D2 Portland State and at D3 Puget Sound. No way you'd get a team not in the PFL to play at a D2, much less a D3 anymore. Their ranking was based entirely on the 5-2 record against 1AA teams, which included the drubbing of a top 10 Idaho team, and all of the games against higher and lower competition were tossed out.

[clenz]

There shouldn't be one in 1991 either. The MEAC champion declined the playoffs to face the SWAC champion in the Heritage Bowl in 1991, 1994, and 1995. In 1992, 1993, and 1996-1999 the MEAC champ accepted the autobid to the playoffs and a second place (or lower) team from the MEAC competed in the Heritage Bowl, which some SWAC fans say is the reason it failed and is no longer played.
The SWAC did participate in the playoffs those years, correct?

[clenz]

I also see no SWAC team in 93. Reason for that?

[superman7515]

The SWAC did participate in the playoffs those years, correct?

Yes, the SWAC participated but...


I also see no SWAC team in 93. Reason for that?

Shouldn't be a SWAC in 1991, Alabama State declined the bid to take part in the first ever Heritage Bowl (see NC A&T/DelState above).
1992: Alcorn State accepts the autobid and second place Grambling State is sent to the Heritage Bowl.
1993: Southern declined the autobid to take part in the Heritage Bowl vs South Carolina State
1994: Alcorn State and Grambling were co-champions. Wanting to showcase the growing bowl game, Grambling State was again shipped off to the Heritage Bowl to increase interest & attendance, while Alcorn State was "demoted" to the 1AA playoff bid.
1995 & 1996: Jackson State ticks off the SWAC leadership by declining the Heritage Bowl to participate in the playoffs, thus leading them to begin the process to give up their autobid in order to force the champ into the Heritage Bowl.
1997: Southern wins the SWAC and declines to play in the Heritage Bowl, Jackson State makes the playoffs as an at-large.

At this point, I should co-author of whatever you're writing, haha.

[clenz]

Another MEAC question...the SWAC and MEAC make things like this take WAY longer than they should...dang.

1990 - no MEAC team. Why?

EDIT

And 89

Edit 2

And 88

Edit 3

And 87

[clenz]

As a reference...here is a taste of what I'm working on...


16 team format bids by conference and by year.




2009
2008
2007
2006
2005
2004
2003
2002
2001
2000
1999
1998
1997
1996
1995
1994
1993
1992
1991
1990
1989
1988
1987
1986
Total
Avg


Big Sky
3
2
2
2
2
2
3
2
2
2
2
1
2
2
2
3
2
2
2
3
2
3
2
2
52
2.12


Big South
0
0
0
1
0
0
0
0
***
***
***
***
***
***
***
***
***
***
***
***
***
***
***
***
1
0.16


Colonial
4
4
5
3
2
4
2
3
3
3
3
3
3
3
2
3
3
2
3
1
3
2
2
1
67
2.8


Great West
0
1
0
0
1
0
***
***
***
***
***
***
***
***
***
***
***
***
***
***
***
***
***
***
2
0.33


Independant
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
0
0
0
1
0
1
1
3
1
2
3
1
1
3
1
19
0.8


Ivy
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0
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Mid-Eastern
1
1
1
1
1
1
2
1
1
1
2
2
2
1
Abst.
Abst.
1
1
Abst.

0
0
0
1
21
1


Missouri Valley
2
2
2
3
2
2
4
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
1
1
1
2
2
2
1
1
1
45
1.86


Northeast
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
***
***
***
***
***
***
***
***
***
***
0
0


Ohio Valley
1
2
2
2
1
1
1
2
1
2
1
1
1
2
2
2
1
2
2
2
2
1
2
3
39
1.63


Patriot
1
1
1
1
2
2
1
1
1
1
2
2
1
Abst.
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17
1.31


Pioneer
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
***
***
***
***
***
0
0


Southern
2
1
1
1
2
2
1
2
3
2
1
3
1
3
3
2
2
4
3
3
3
4
3
3
55
2.3


Southland
2
2
2
2
3
2
1
3
3
3
3
2
2
2
3
3
3
2
2
1
2
3
2
3
56
2.33


Southwestern
Abst.
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1
1
1
1
Abst.
1
Abst.
1
1
1
1
1
10
1

[superman7515]

Another MEAC question...the SWAC and MEAC make things like this take WAY longer than they should...dang.

1990 - no MEAC team. Why?

EDIT

And 89

Edit 2

And 88

Edit 3

And 87

For starters, 1991 the team that used ineligible players was Bethune-Cookman, I missed my years there.

1987: Howard University goes 9-1 and sweeps the MEAC enroute to an FCS playoff berth. But just before the final game of the season, rumors of ineligible players start to surface. Howard is held out of the playoffs while the MEAC and NCAA investigate. Willie Jeffries is found to have used over 30 ineligible players, including two who had already graduated and only came to campus after work to practice and play the games. All of Howard's wins are forfeited and Delaware State is awarded the 1987 MEAC Championship, but it's not in time to make the playoffs because by the time the NCAA finds this out it is...

September 26, 1989: The NCAA and MEAC announce they have finished their investigations. Delaware State is declared the 1987 MEAC Champ, far too late to make their first NCAA playoff appearance, and Howard is placed on probation. The MEAC decides not to participate in the 1989 playoffs to get their house in order after the events of the past two seasons (you'll see in a second) and is replaced by a second team from the SWAC. Delaware State wins the 1989 title outright and for the third straight year is screwed out of a playoff appearance by the conference. Third straight? That's right, because...

1988: Regular season ends with a three-way tie for the MEAC title; Bethune-Cookman, Delaware State, and Florida A&M all have 4-2 records, but the MEAC has no tie-breaker beyond head-to-head matchup for a two-way tie, so no one goes. The Citadel takes advantage of the extra at-large bid to make the playoffs for the first time and Citdog is forever a MEAC fan.

1990: I don't know what the problem was. I'll have to look when I get home and see if they were still on their self-imposed hiatus due to the issues of '87 & '88.

So for those keeping score at home, DelState was kept out of the playoffs by Howard using ineligible players in 1987, by the conference not having a tie-breaker for more than just a two-team tie in 1988, by the conference trying to clean up their own cluster---- in 1989, and by Bethune-Cookman using ineligible players and the conference deciding it was too late to switch the teams in 1991.

And people wonder why DelState always wants to go to the NEC. By the time they finally made the playoffs in 2007, it was 20 years overdue, and all of it was beyond their control because all of it was decided in offices, not on the field.

[clenz]

I can't rep you enough for the help on this.


Hopefully you enjoy my sheets when I'm done.

I should have them sent to ursus for publication by the end of tomorrow.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Rep him damnit. Good stuff supe.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

That last one wasn't aimed at you clenzy...you just happened to post right in front of it. xlolx

[clenz]

Here is a link to what I've been working on. Hope you like it. I submitted it to ursus for inclusion in the aforementioned historical data section.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Tiryx4mVZ834TtLo0r-Uup-w6S5D9BCW6QISbKanrcg/edit#gid=0

Here's a rather small sample of what I did....basically this is the "meat" of what I did but it's broken down MUCH further in the link



Years
Total Bids
Total Avg


Big Sky
35
76
2.17


Big South
12
6
0.50


Colonial
35
92
2.63


Great West
9
2
0.22


Independant
35
24
0.69


Ivy
0
0
0.00


Mid-Eastern
35
30
0.86


Missouri Valley
32
61
1.91


Northeast
21
4
0.19


Ohio Valley
35
59
1.69


Patriot
17
22
1.29


Pioneer
24
1
0.04


Southern
35
72
2.06


Southland
35
69
1.97


Southwestern
19
18
0.95


Total/Average
25.27
536
1.14



35
1978-Pres

[superman7515]

I can't rep you enough for the help on this.


Hopefully you enjoy my sheets when I'm done.

I should have them sent to ursus for publication by the end of tomorrow.

Just some references...

Washington Post - September 26, 1989
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-1213914.html


The Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference has stripped Howard University of its
1987 football championship.
In a move that has been anticipated for months, since a Howard internal
investigation revealed the Bison used at least three ineligible players that
season, the league yesterday awarded the 1987 championship to Delaware
State.

Howard had sent a letter to all 10 of its opponents from that season saying
it would forfeit its games. The Bison were 9-1 in 1987, the second-best Division
I-AA record in the country.

In addition, Willie Jeffries, Howard's coach at the time and now the coach at
South Carolina State, was stripped of the MEAC coach of the year award.


Washington Post - September 27, 1989
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-1214093.html


Former Howard University coach Willie Jeffries said today it was unfair of
the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference to strip the Bison of their 1987 football
championship and him of his coach of the year honors.
The MEAC acted Monday after an internal probe by Howard found use of
ineligible players and irregularities in financial aid.

Howard went 9-1-1 overall, 5-0 in the MEAC but now has forfeited all the
wins.


Orlando Sun Sentinel - November 26, 1991
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1991-11-26/sports/9102180858_1_delaware-state-meac-sheridan-poll


Forfeit Win Won`t Put Delaware St. In Heritage Bowl
November 26, 1991|By DAVID O`BRIEN, Staff Writer

Monday`s announcement that Bethune-Cookman must forfeit its victory against Delaware State may have changed the order at the top of the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference football standings.

But it isn`t changing the Alamo Heritage Bowl committee`s decision to make North Carolina A&T the MEAC representative against Alabama State in the Dec. 21 game at Joe Robbie Stadium.



The forfeit lifted Delaware State`s record to 5-1 in the MEAC and 9-2 overall, identical to North Carolina A&T. The two were declared conference co- champions, but Delaware State defeated A&T 31-26 earlier this season.

The decision as to who would represent the MEAC was left to the Heritage Bowl committee, which had already extended a preliminary invitation to A&T and had planned to make its formal announcement Wednesday in Greensboro, N.C.

During a meeting Monday night, the committee decided unanimously to stick by its plans, said Heritage Bowl Executive Director Jim McKinley.

``We had to reconvene a little to discuss what had happened,`` McKinley said. ``But we still feel North Carolina A&T represents the best matchup for the game. You can`t overlook what has happened on the field, and it`s also very hard to consider taking an invitation back from A&T over something they weren`t involved in.

``There were just too many factors to go back on. They`re both outstanding football teams, both deserving to play in a bowl. But we feel we have the very best matchup with A&T.'


You'll have to take my word for it a little bit, but the "too many other factors" was the fact that A&T had been selling a ton of tickets for the innaugural Heritage Bowl and the committee knew they were going to face a fiasco if they tried to buy back all the tickets and then have Delaware State lose a month of ticket sales time, they didn't want it happening in the very first year of the game. Of course, it was convenient that they didn't announce BCU was forfeiting the game until after the playoff field was locked in, so the MEAC champ didn't have the chance to go to the playoffs either.

So for all intents and purposes, the MEAC abstained from 1987 until the 1992 season.

[clenz]

Just some references...

Washington Post - September 26, 1989
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-1213914.html




Washington Post - September 27, 1989
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-1214093.html




Orlando Sun Sentinel - November 26, 1991
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1991-11-26/sports/9102180858_1_delaware-state-meac-sheridan-poll




You'll have to take my word for it a little bit, but the "too many other factors" was the fact that A&T had been selling a ton of tickets for the innaugural Heritage Bowl and the committee knew they were going to face a fiasco if they tried to buy back all the tickets and then have Delaware State lose a month of ticket sales time, they didn't want it happening in the very first year of the game. Of course, it was convenient that they didn't announce BCU was forfeiting the game until after the playoff field was locked in, so the MEAC champ didn't have the chance to go to the playoffs either.

So for all intents and purposes, the MEAC abstained from 1987 until the 1992 season.

I believe you. Would it be best/more accurate to reflect that on the sheet?

The MEAC has such a screwed up history I don't know how to annotate most of it easily on the sheet.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I believe you. Would it be best/more accurate to reflect that on the sheet?

The MEAC has such a screwed up history I don't know how to annotate most of it easily on the sheet.

Clenzy, I can put those information links in the sheet later if you'd like. Just let me know where and we can asterisk the information and provide the context at the bottom or something.

[superman7515]

Here is a link to what I've been working on. Hope you like it. I submitted it to ursus for inclusion in the aforementioned historical data section.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Tiryx4mVZ834TtLo0r-Uup-w6S5D9BCW6QISbKanrcg/edit#gid=0

Here's a rather small sample of what I did....basically this is the "meat" of what I did but it's broken down MUCH further in the link

Are you going with all of the conferences since the playoffs started in 1978? No mention of the American West Conference (1993-1996), Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference (1993-2007), Gulf Star Conference (1984-1987), Association of Mid-Continent Universities (1981-1984)...

[clenz]

None of them had playoff appearances other than the mid-con, which you'll see from a note on that sheet I tied to the Gateway due to the fact they were Gateway schools but the GFC wasn't "sponsored"until 85 after forming in 81

If you feel is necessary to add a line in with nothing except 0 and *** I should have time at work tomorrow

Sent from my S4 using Tapatalk

[superman7515]

Just curious because I noticed you kept the Ivy in despite no appearances.

[clenz]

They still exist and are one of the most well known/oldest conferences in the nation, regardless of subdivision, and have a rather interesting story of why they turn down bids other than the conference just isn't good enough for one

Had the GWC not had 2 appearances I likely wouldn't have included them. It's a history of playoff bids by coherence.

However if it pleases the crowd they'll be added tomorrow

Sent from my S4 using Tapatalk

[IBleedYellow]

Yeah...so screw the MEAC conference.

[clenz]

Clenzy, I can put those information links in the sheet later if you'd like. Just let me know where and we can asterisk the information and provide the context at the bottom or something.
I'll have you annotate some of it. I'll collect the information from this thread and figure out what I want to annotate

[clenz]

Also I've updated the sheet to reflect the addition of the MAAC, Gulf Star, Mid-Con, and Am. West.

New totals are



Years
Total Bids
Total Avg


America West
4
0
0


Big Sky
35
76
2.17


Big South
12
6
0.50


Colonial
35
92
2.63


Great West
9
2
0.22


Gulf Star
4
0
0


Independant
35
24
0.69


Ivy
Abst.
Abst.
Abst.


Metro Atlantic
15
0
0


Mid-Continent
4
5
1.25


Mid-Eastern
35
30
0.86


Missouri Valley
32
56
1.75


Northeast
21
4
0.19


Ohio Valley
35
59
1.69


Patriot
17
22
1.29


Pioneer
24
1
0.04


Southern
35
72
2.06


Southland
35
69
1.97


Southwestern
19
18
0.95


Total/Average
22.56
29.78
1.01



35
1978-Pres



Turns out the addition of 3 conferences with a combined 23 years of no playoffs really skews the averages of bids and bids per conference...

[OL FU]

Also I've updated the sheet to reflect the addition of the MAAC, Gulf Star, Mid-Con, and Am. West.

New totals are



Years

Total Bids

Total Avg



America West

4





Big Sky

35

76

2.17



Big South

12

6

0.50



Colonial

35

92

2.63



Great West

9

2

0.22



Gulf Star

4





Independant

35

24

0.69



Ivy

Abst.

Abst.

Abst.



Metro Atlantic

15





Mid-Continent

4

5

1.25



Mid-Eastern

35

30

0.86



Missouri Valley

32

56

1.75



Northeast

21

4

0.19



Ohio Valley

35

59

1.69



Patriot

17

22

1.29



Pioneer

24

1

0.04



Southern

35

72

2.06



Southland

35

69

1.97



Southwestern

19

18

0.95



Total/Average

22.56

29.78

1.01




35

1978-Pres




Turns out the addition of 3 conferences with a combined 23 years of no playoffs really skews the averages of bids and bids per conference...

To make sure I understand. The above says the SoCon 35 years, but I think the SoCon has been in I-AA since 1982 which would be 32 years. But I may be missing the point.

BTW, thanks for the work. I like it.

[superman7515]

To make sure I understand. The above says the SoCon 35 years, but I think the SoCon has been in I-AA since 1982 which would be 32 years. But I may be missing the point.

BTW, thanks for the work. I like it.

Ivy and Southland weren't 1AA until 1982 either, they were 1A until then.

[DFW HOYA]

If the MAAC was around today, would it get a bid, assuming it had six members:

Canisius
Fairfield
Iona
Marist
Siena
St. Peter's

[clenz]

To make sure I understand. The above says the SoCon 35 years, but I think the SoCon has been in I-AA since 1982 which would be 32 years. But I may be missing the point.

BTW, thanks for the work. I like it.
That's an easy fix. I probably "missed that" on a couple other conferences. I just went on the assumption that any conference that existed at the time the FCS split happened was FCS.

That also reminds me that I didn't change the years the MVC was around..I added the mid-con and took them out of the MVFC (which they were basically the same) which took 4 years out of the MVFC.

[clenz]

Ivy and Southland weren't 1AA until 1982 either, they were 1A until then.
Fixed

- - - Updated - - -


If the MAAC was around today, would it get a bid, assuming it had six members:

Canisius
Fairfield
Iona
Marist
Siena
St. Peter's
They'd have enough for an auto....

I doubt they'd be any better off than the PFL.

[superman7515]

That's an easy fix. I probably "missed that" on a couple other conferences. I just went on the assumption that any conference that existed at the time the FCS split happened was FCS.

That also reminds me that I didn't change the years the MVC was around..I added the mid-con and took them out of the MVFC (which they were basically the same) which took 4 years out of the MVFC.

Missouri Valley Conference (not MVFC) had 1AA teams from 1978 to 1982.

MVC stopped sponsoring football in 1982 and the Association of Mid-Continent Universities started operations with the schools of the former MVC, going from 1982-1984.

AMCU gave up football and it became the Mid-Continent Conference in 1989 and then later the Summit League in 2007.

The football teams who had been in the AMCU then joined the Gateway Collegiate Athletic Conference from 1985-1992, then changed the name to the Gateway Football Conference from 1992-2008, and is now the Missouri Valley Football Conference.

Three different conferences.

[clenz]

The reality of it is that it is nearly identical to what happened with the Yankee/A10/CAA.

Yet you have no contention of me lumping that whole category into the CAA.

BUT...4 years of Mid-Con getting thrown into the MVFC is an issue apparently.

[clenz]

The CAA Football Conference was formed in 2005, although it did not begin play until 2007, as a separate conference independent of the CAA, but administered by the CAA front office. For this reason, there are no true "football associate members" as every member of CAA Football is a full-member of the football-only conference. In the 2004–05 academic year, the CAA had five member schools that sponsored football, all of them as football-only members of the A10. In 2005 Northeastern accepted the CAA's offer of membership, giving the CAA the six football-playing members it needed under NCAA rules to organize a football conference. At that time, the CAA announced it would launch its new football conference in 2007. Next, the CAA invited Richmond to become a football-only member effective in 2007. Once UR accepted the offer, this left the A10 football conference with only five members, less than the six required under NCAA rules. As a result, the remaining A10 football programs all decided to join the CAA on a football-only basis, spelling the end of A10 football, at least under that conference's banner. Since the CAA football conference had the same members as the A10 the previous year, it can be said that the CAA football conference is the A10 football conference under new management.


With that in mind, the CAA football conference's oldest ancestor is the New England Conference, founded in 1938 by four state-supported universities in that region plus Northeastern; three of the public schools are currently in the CAA football conference. After the departure of Northeastern in 1945, the remaining members joined New England's other land-grant colleges, the UMASS and the Vermont, to form Yankee under a new charter in 1946, with competition starting in 1947. That conference, which over time came to include many schools outside its original New England base, eventually dropped all sports other than football in 1975, and merged with the A10 in 1997. Every school that was in the Yankee Conference at the time of the A10 merger and still fields an FCS-level football team (nine out of the final 12 members of the Yankee Conference) is in the CAA football conference. As further proof of the continuity between conferences, the CAA inherited the A10's automatic bid to the FCS playoffs, which in turn was inherited from the Yankee.


Gee...sounds a lot like the MVC/MidCon/Gateway/Gateway/MVFC situation.

The Missouri Valley Football Conference has a convoluted history that involves three other conferences:


Missouri Valley Conference: A long-established conference, in existence since 1907, that sponsored football until 1985. In its last years as a football conference, it was a hybrid league that included teams in NCAA Divisions I-A (today's FBS) and I-AA (now FCS).
Gateway Collegiate Athletic Conference (Gateway): A women's sports conference founded in 1982 by MVC member schools.
Association of Mid-Continent Universities.(AMCU): An all-sports conference, also founded in 1982, that sponsored football at the I-AA level through the 1984 season. The AMCU had absorbed the Mid-Continent Athletic Association, a football-only league founded in 1978. (After dropping football, the AMCU later became the Mid-Continent Conference, and is now the Summit League.)

In 1985, the MVC stopped sponsoring football. At that time, the two remaining I-AA members from the MVC (Illinois State and Southern Illinois) joined Eastern Illinois, Northern Iowa, Southwest Missouri State, and Western Illinois from the AMCU and together became a football conference under the Gateway's auspices. Indiana State, which had left MVC football after the 1981 season to become a D1-AA Independent while remaining a full MVC member, would join the next year.
In 1992, when the Gateway Collegiate Athletic Conference merged with the MVC, the football conference kept the Gateway charter, with a minor name change to Gateway Football Conference. After Eastern Illinois joined the Ohio Valley Conference for football in 1995, Youngstown State joined in 1997 and was followed by Western Kentucky University (WKU) in 2001. Southwest Missouri State changed its name to Missouri State in 2005. The Gateway changed its name to the Missouri Valley Football Conference in 2008.


I guess if you would like/want the Mid-Con, MVC, GCAC, and Gateway on there as well as the MVFC I need to put the Yankee and A10 on there as well...

As I said...the conferences were "different" but they, for intents-and-purposes, they were the same conference

[BISON Thunder]

Clenz...in what year did UNI leave D-II status in football?

[clenz]

Clenz...in what year did UNI leave D-II status in football?
1980.



1937-1972 NCAA College Division (Small College)



1973-1980 NCAA Division II



1981-20XX NCAA Division I-AA







1895-1922 Independent



1923-1934 Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference



1935-1977 North Central Intercollegiate Athletic Conference



1978-1984 Mid-Continent Conference



1985-20XX Missouri Valley Football Conference




So they spent 3 years D2 Mid-Con and 3 years D1AA Mid-Con D1AA but weren't a "full" D1AA until the 1985 season from what I've been told.

[superman7515]

The reality of it is that it is nearly identical to what happened with the Yankee/A10/CAA.

Yet you have no contention of me lumping that whole category into the CAA.

BUT...4 years of Mid-Con getting thrown into the MVFC is an issue apparently.

For starters, I have no issue with you doing whatever you want, I was just putting the information out there for anyone who was interested in the history of it. However, since you brought it up, I wholeheartedly disagree with lumping the CAA with the A10 with the Yankee. You quoted the Wikipedia article in your response, so let's take a look at that...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_Athletic_Association


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Me removing info that listed past A10 and Yankee champs as having CAA conference championships.



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Me removing information from the timeline of the CAA in relation to the A10 & Yankee conferences.



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Me removing timeline information related to the A-10 & Yankee from the CAA Football timeline.

There was also a lengthy fight a couple of years ago about the fact that there are no CAA Football associates because CAA Football is its own conference, but that's only related in that I'm steadfastly against including any other info in there because CAA Football is a separately chartered conference with it's own by-laws and legal incorporation.

[clenz]

What's your e-mail.

I'll send you the sheet to be the new owner of it....

[superman7515]

http://scienceofnaturalgame.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/why_so_serious__by_tyrite.jpg

[clenz]

How do you feel about the fact that the official 2013 CAA Guidebook uses records from the A10/Yankee?

Year by year standings - dating back to 1947
http://www.caasports.com/fls/8500/FBMedia/13Guide/YBY_Standings_77_80.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=8500

All Time Records - some still standing from the early 50s
http://www.caasports.com/fls/8500/FBMedia/13Guide/Records_70_76.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=8500

All Americans from 1979
http://www.caasports.com/fls/8500/FBMedia/13Guide/All_Americans_85_88.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=8500

[clenz]

The MVFC record book also includes the Mid-Con years of 1982-1984...http://www.mvc.org/football/records.pdf

From the record book section about top 25 rankings

1982
1. Eastern Kentucky
2. Louisiana Tech
3. Delaware
4. Tennessee Tech
5 . EASTERN ILLINOIS
6. Furman
7. South Carolina State
8. Jackson State
9. Colgate
10. Grambling
11. Idaho
12. Northern Illinois
13. Holy Cross
14. Bowling Green State
15. Boise State
16. Western Michigan
17. Tenn.-Chattanooga
18. Northwestern State
19. Montana
20. Lafayette
1983
1 . SOUTHERN ILLINOIS
2. Furman
3. Holy Cross
4. North Texas
5 . INDIANA STATE
6 . EASTERN ILLINOIS
7. Colgate
8. Eastern Kentucky
9. Western Carolina
10. Grambling
11. Nevada-Reno
12. Idaho State
13. Boston University
Northeast Louisiana
15. Jackson State
16. Middle Tennessee
17. Tennessee State
18. South Carolina State
19. Mississippi Valley
20. New Hampshire
1984
1. Alcorn State
2. Montana State
Rhode Island
4. Boston University
5 . INDIANA STATE
6. Middle Tennessee
Mississippi Valley
8. Eastern Kentucky
9. Louisiana Tech
10. Arkansas State
11. New Hampshire
12. Richmond
13. Murray State
14. Western Carolina
15. Holy Cross
16. Furman
17. Tenn.-Chattanooga
18 . UNI
19. Delaware
20. McNeese State

[superman7515]

How do you feel about the fact that the official 2013 CAA Guidebook uses records from the A10/Yankee?

Don't care for it all, but the victors often co-opt history to their own ends. Just ask Citdog. xlolx

[clenz]

Don't care for it all, but the victors often co-opt history to their own ends. Just ask Citdog. xlolx
So...really...your issue is more http://themoderatevoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/sour-grapes-1.png than anything else.


The I was going to change it all and add the Yankee and A10 until I saw the CAA carried the records over. Had they not carried them I would have - BUT by carring the records the CAA is doing EXACTLY what I said they did. Just the "owners" of the teams changed doesn't mean the conference changed..

Now you want to talk about a conference that would be split - the Big East and AAC. The AAC record books list NOTHING. That's a new conference. Change who "owns" the conference isn't changing the conference.

[caribbeanhen]

1982
1. Eastern Kentucky
2. Louisiana Tech
3. Delaware

Delaware 17 La Tech 0..... 1982 1aa Semi Final

[ursus arctos horribilis]

1982
1. Eastern Kentucky
2. Louisiana Tech
3. Delaware

Delaware 17 La Tech 0..... 1982 1aa Semi Final

Hey carrihen, is that just a statement there or is there a mistake I'm not seeing?

[clenz]

Likely taking offense to the fact that LaTech finished higher in the polls despite UD beating them in the semi's...

Though tough to tell based on that post

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Likely taking offense to the fact that LaTech finished higher in the polls despite UD beating them in the semi's...

Though tough to tell based on that post

I see. Yes, it is sometimes tough to get a read on what's being said for sure.

[clenz]

To clear things with the CAA/A10/Yankee and MVFC/Gateway/Mid-Con I have e-mails out to David Brauer with the Summit League (formerly known as the Mid-Continent Conference and Association of Mid-Continent Universities) and Zach Burrus with the CAA inquiring for an official answer.

From the Summit/Mid-Con I am asking for an official football record book OR if that book doesn't exist because the MVFC/Gateway took the conference over. I asked that since the MVFC record shows the teams in the top 25 during the Mid-Con years but no individual, season, or career records from those years if the MidCon discontinued football or "handed" it over to the MVFC and any records that stood at the time have been surpassed by MVFC records.

From the CAA I am asking for an "official" stance on if the CAA has existed since only 2005 (started play in 2007) and is an entirely different conference than the A10 and Yankee (similarly if the A10 is completely different from the Yankee) OR if it is all the same conference just a change of "name and ownership" deal.

I will post the replies as I get them.

[clenz]

Also, I will add that the CAA has an AMAZINGLY detailed and laid out website. It is probably one of the two or three best athletic websites I've been on in terms of ease of use, amount of information, lay out, etc...

[clenz]

Reading the 2013 CAA Media Guide line by line brought me across this


Now six years under the CAA banner. CAA Football has raised the profile of what was once the Yankee Conference and later the Atlantic 10 Conference when it took the reins of the league in 2007.


That seems like rather definitive proof that the CAA IS the exact same conference as the A10 and the Yankee. They just handed the power to control the operations to the CAA.

There's more


The league has enjoyed a tremendous record in the postseason, earning 83 total postseason berths that includes 38 over the last decade. Playoff appearances aren’t where the success stops, however, which CAA Football’s 53 playoff wins since 2002
Well...how can the CAA have 53 wins since 2002 if it didn't start playing games until 2007?



There's also the fact the media guide is claiming titles in 1998, 2003, and 2004 for the CAA....again...how?


Oh...and this gem which states that they are the same conference. The football conference hasn't changed in anyway other than who maintained the operations of it.


With the additions of UAlbany and Stony Brook this year, CAA Football’s geographic footprint has only been further deepened up and down the East Coast, with schools located from Maine to Virginia. This season’s members include UAlbany, Delaware, James Madison, Maine, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Richmond, Stony Brook, Towson, Villanova and William and Mary. While CAA Football officially began March 1, 2007, its roots date back more than 60 years. On December 3, 1946, the Code of the Yankee Conference went into effect. Es - tablished as an all-sports conference for the New England land grant colleges, the six charter members included Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island and Vermont. Upon the formation of Division I-AA football in 1978, the league disbanded all sports except for football. Delaware and Richmond were ad - mitted to the conference in 1986, Villanova was added in 1988 and James Madison, Northeastern and William and Mary joined the league in 1993. The Atlantic 10 as - sumed operation control of the conference from 1997-2006, with Hofstra becoming part of the league in 2001 and Towson joining the group in 2004.


References:
The Official 2013 CAA Media Guide
-http://www.caasports.com/fls/8500/FBMedia/13Guide/CAA_Football_1_6.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=8500
--Editor: Zach Burrus
--Assistant Editors: Scott Meyer, Tom Yeager, Lizzie Barlow, David Berman, Scott Burns, Pete Clawson, Shane Donaldson, Adam Gutes, Dean Kenefick, John Martin, Tyson McHatten, Mike Murphy, Dan O’Connell, Scott Selheimer, Rob Turner

*All Quotes taken from page 4


That's just stopping at page 4 and not getting into the countless individual, career, single game, season, and coaching records listed in the record book dating back more than 60 years.




So, while your knowledge of the FCS is vast and impressive, superman7515, it appears that this is one thing you are not factually correct about. That is, unless I hear from Zach Burrus something that completely contradicts everything that the Official CAA Media Guide states. While that is possible, it's highly unlikely since he "wrote" the CAA Media Guide. It really does sound like sour grapes on your part regarding something, somewhere, with how the handing of the conference shifting took place.

[superman7515]

So, while your knowledge of the FCS is vast and impressive, superman7515, it appears that this is one thing you are not factually correct about. That is, unless I hear from Zach Burrus something that completely contradicts everything that the Official CAA Media Guide states. While that is possible, it's highly unlikely since he "wrote" the CAA Media Guide. It really does sound like sour grapes on your part regarding something, somewhere, with how the handing of the conference shifting took place.

No sour grapes at all, just my personal feelings. You asked, I gave them, haha. Again, and I don't mean to sound like a dick when I say this, it's your spreadsheet bud, you can break it out however you want. Just because Edison claims the patents and they were both around at the same time doesn't mean that Tesla didn't actually do it with no help from Edison.

[clenz]

No sour grapes at all, just my personal feelings. You asked, I gave them, haha. Again, and I don't mean to sound like a dick when I say this, it's your spreadsheet bud, you can break it out however you want. Just because Edison claims the patents and they were both around at the same time doesn't mean that Tesla didn't actually do it with no help from Edison.

I will break my sheet down to be factually correct - that includes the A10 and Yankee being the same conference as the CAA.

The Mid-Con is looking like it was a separate entity than the Gateway - though I am seeing mixed statements on it and am waiting on an official stance from the Summit.

[caribbeanhen]

Hey carrihen, is that just a statement there or is there a mistake I'm not seeing?

just thought I would remind everyone of that fact. I wasn't even aware LATech finished ahead of Delaware in that poll, I stood in a Sears in Mobile Alabama and watched that mudfest game and was most delighted by the Bluehen domination (apparently the pollsters were not), almost tackled the nerdy salesman when he tried to change the channel... If I would of know how close Ruston, La was I would of made the drive, still kick myself for that one.....

[clenz]

Thanks to David Brauer at the Summit League I have myself an official 1984 Mid-Con Media Guide....

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1acO_0rkpWJMzhlc2lRREpYaUU/edit?usp=sharing

Look at the key returning OL for UNI...we see one of our local celebrities listed.

A huge thank you to Mr. Brauer on this. He is also attempting to dig up anything he can from their archives. I doubt he is on this site, but maybe with the number of Summit teams playing FCS ball.

If you are reading this I can't thank you enough for helping build the archive. He did it quick as well, especially considering football is probably burried deep in their archives.


P.S. UNI and EIU need to bring those logos back.

[superman7515]

That media guide is pretty sweet.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Thanks to David Brauer at the Summit League I have myself an official 1984 Mid-Con Media Guide....

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1acO_0rkpWJMzhlc2lRREpYaUU/edit?usp=sharing

Look at the key returning OL for UNI...we see one of our local celebrities listed.

A huge thank you to Mr. Brauer on this. He is also attempting to dig up anything he can from their archives. I doubt he is on this site, but maybe with the number of Summit teams playing FCS ball.

If you are reading this I can't thank you enough for helping build the archive. He did it quick as well, especially considering football is probably burried deep in their archives.


P.S. UNI and EIU need to bring those logos back.

He may or may not be on here to see it but if a few AGS'rs throw a guy a bone on twitter or something that would be a good way to throw a thanks to him as well. Good work clenzy!