Lets Vote: Does USD belong in the Playoffs

[Stang Fever]

There are jsut way to many threads about USD and the playoffs. I for one dont believe with that schedule that they belong. But I want to take it to the people. lets find out. what people on here think about it.

[PantherRob82]

Not looking good for USD so far. Good thing we're not the committee.

[grizband]

I would like to add a third option, becaue I think it depends on the records of other eligible at-large candidates. The A-10 an Gateway alone could field one side of the bracket this year the way things are going, so I think we need to wait until the end of the season to determine the quality of USD as a playoff team.

[Tod]

I would like to add a third option, becaue I think it depends on the records of other eligible at-large candidates. The A-10 an Gateway alone could field one side of the bracket this year the way things are going, so I think we need to wait until the end of the season to determine the quality of USD as a playoff team.

Agreed.

SHSU lost tonight. Anybody after about the first 12 teams is up for debate at this time, IMHO. If filling the bottom half of the poll remains as difficult as it has been, and USD continues to decimate their opponents, then I say yes. Still too much football left to be played to make the call, though.

[grizband]

Agreed.

SHSU lost tonight. Anybody after about the first 12 teams is up for debate at this time, IMHO. If filling the bottom half of the poll remains as difficult as it has been, and USD continues to decimate their opponents, then I say yes. Still too much football left to be played to make the call, though.
Luckily for SHSU they still have a shot at an auto bid. With a now 3-3 record against division I opponents, I think they are holding onto their hopes of an at-large by a thread.

[TexasTerror]

Luckily for SHSU they still have a shot at an auto bid. With a now 3-3 record against division I opponents, I think they are holding onto their hopes of an at-large by a thread.

They can get an at-large if they win out...

Which means they'd be SLC champions...:thumbsup:

SLC is a one bid conference...

Back to subject, San Diego is as deserving as an undefeated Chuck South and that's not deserving a single thing...:twocents:

[Tod]

Luckily for SHSU they still have a shot at an auto bid. With a now 3-3 record against division I opponents, I think they are holding onto their hopes of an at-large by a thread.

SLC will get their auto-bid, that's all. Big Sky may be a one bid conference. One from the OVC. One from the MEAC. One from the Patriot. Two from the SoCon. Three from the Gateway. Four from the A-10. Cal Poly. That leaves one opening. There's a chance that if USD keeps winning by 30+ points every game, they'll get in.

None of that is in stone, of course, but possible.

[grizband]

SLC will get their auto-bid, that's all. Big Sky may be a one bid conference. One from the OVC. One from the MEAC. One from the Patriot. Two from the SoCon. Three from the Gateway. Four from the A-10. Cal Poly. That leaves one opening. There's a chance that if USD keeps winning by 30+ points every game, they'll get in.

None of that is in stone, of course, but possible.
I think I agree with you Tod, although is MSU wins out, I think the Big Sky will be a two bid conference (if Montana's only loss the rest of the way is MSU).

[Stang Fever]

my thing is does the SLC still get an auto bid...the way they are playing this year. and does the MEAC keep it over the NEC conf. thats the only way i see them getting in. there is an outside chance. but i asked do they deserve it. not about if the stars align just right and all these teams keep loosing. does the schedule justify a pick if they win out

[CCU97]

Being a Coastal Carolina fan you would think that I might side with USD....however, when Coastal went 10-1 and then 9-2 and didn't make the playoffs....a team with a weaker schedule can just hang it up!

[mcveyrl]

I think they should get in if they win out (but I don't think they will get in). Obviously, one loss and they're out. They should at least have the opportunity to play for it. That's supposed to be the beauty of the playoffs, right?

[89Hen]

That's supposed to be the beauty of the playoffs, right?
Not really.

[89Hen]

MSU wins out, I think the Big Sky will be a two bid conference (if Montana's only loss the rest of the way is MSU).
You guys need to stop laying down so you get an extra bid. I thought you guys hate MSU. :p

[TexasTerror]

my thing is does the SLC still get an auto bid...the way they are playing this year. and does the MEAC keep it over the NEC conf. thats the only way i see them getting in. there is an outside chance. but i asked do they deserve it. not about if the stars align just right and all these teams keep loosing. does the schedule justify a pick if they win out

Ummm...can't change things up this late in the game. Already in the rules who gets the auto-bid. You just going to pull it away?

Regardless of how SLC is playing, we have a much better playoff resume than the MEAC or OVC. Also, our schools had to play I-As left and right because of financial issues facing most of the league post-Rita and Katrina. That really hurt our league and the records do not accurately reflect the quality of teams...

[RobsPics]

THE TOREROS ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!

[89Hen]

Who did we think they were?

[Stang Fever]

Ummm...can't change things up this late in the game. Already in the rules who gets the auto-bid. You just going to pull it away?

Regardless of how SLC is playing, we have a much better playoff resume than the MEAC or OVC. Also, our schools had to play I-As left and right because of financial issues facing most of the league post-Rita and Katrina. That really hurt our league and the records do not accurately reflect the quality of teams...


it wasnt intended as smack. I thought that ever year the committe selects which conf. gets the auto bid. its not that the SLC cant get it. but its not a lock ever year. they are suppoes to select 8 conf. who get the eight auto bids

[BigApp]

THE TOREROS ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!

xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

[*****]

Who did we think they were?Torero = bullfighter

[DetroitFlyer]

Somewhere, in the very few USD threads open, I saw a question as to whether a top 25, undefeated, team has ever not made the playoffs. I know of at least one, Dayton. The year, 1996. Final ranking in TSN poll: 24. Record: 11-0. Below is a summary of Dayton's 1996 record. So yes, it can happen, and it has happened before!

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/pioneer/dayton/yearly_results.php?year=1995

( Easier to see on the website ). We were also rolling along in 1997 until that final game....


W 9/7/1996 52 Morehead St. (KY) 6 Dayton, OH
W 9/14/1996 49 Georgetown (KY) 6 Dayton, OH
W 9/21/1996 49 Wisconsin-Platteville 27 Dayton, OH
W 9/28/1996 24 Towson (MD) 17 Towson, MD
W 10/5/1996 42 Evansville (IN) 0 Evansville, IN
W 10/12/1996 31 Robert Morris (PA) 21 Dayton, OH
W 10/19/1996 30 Butler (IN) 10 Indianapolis, IN
W 10/26/1996 19 Drake (IA) 16 Dayton, OH
W 11/2/1996 37 Valparaiso (IN) 35 Valparaiso, IN
W 11/9/1996 38 Wofford (SC) 14 Dayton, OH
W 11/16/1996 40 San Diego (CA) 34
San Diego, CA

[aggie6thman]

San Diego Opponents records to date:
Azusa Pacific (DII) 1-6
Dixie State (DII) 1-5
Yale 4-1
Davidson 3-3
Butler 2-5
Valpo 2-5
Combined Record 11-20

Not so sure about this one. I don't think they should be in becuase they play a cream puff schedule.

[GOTOREROS]

San Diego Opponents records to date:
Azusa Pacific (DII) 1-6
Dixie State (DII) 1-5
Yale 4-1
Davidson 3-3
Butler 2-5
Valpo 2-5
Combined Record 11-20

DRAKE 6-1

Not so sure about this one. I don't think they should be in becuase they play a cream puff schedule.

Well you can make it combined 17-21 if you add Drake who we play this weekend.....not that it really helps but I think it's somewhat more accurate to add them.

GOTOREROS

[OL FU]

Well you can make it combined 17-21 if you add Drake who we play this weekend.....not that it really helps but I think it's somewhat more accurate to add them.

GOTOREROS

Can't count them til you beat them:smiley_wi

[AppGuy04]

Drake hasn't exactly played anyone either, so that 6-1 is really deceiving

Thu, Aug 31 Northern Iowa L 7-48
Sat, Sep 9 Upper Iowa W 40-7
Sat, Sep 16 Wisconsin-Platteville W 35-7
Sat, Sep 23 at Valparaiso W 21-7
Sat, Sep 30 Morehead State W 33-7
Sat, Oct 7 Waldorf W 35-3
Sat, Oct 14 at Butler W 29-0

Other than the UNI game, which they got waxed, this schedule is just as bad as USD's

[Coastal89]

San Diego Opponents records to date:
Azusa Pacific (DII) 1-6
Dixie State (DII) 1-5
Yale 4-1
Davidson 3-3
Butler 2-5
Valpo 2-5
Combined Record 11-20

Not so sure about this one. I don't think they should be in becuase they play a cream puff schedule.
Don't skip anymore math classes.:) Those numbers add up to 13-25 for a combined record.
Drakes opponents have a 17-29 combined record so they're pretty even on SOS.

[AggieFinn]

Don't skip anymore math classes.:) Those numbers add up to 13-25 for a combined record.
Drakes opponents have a 17-29 combined record so they're pretty even on SOS.

I apologize for my Aggie friend. Since I'm an engineer, I will do the math from now on. I agree that 13-25 is correct. 6thman...just picking you up bro! It's all good. :cool:

http://www.ianrowland.com/Images/Photos/Travels/WayOutWeSF/GGBrdigeStrauss.JPG

[aggie6thman]

That is what happens when you havent taken a math class in almost 4 years. I am a poli sci major...OOPS. Still 13-25, 11-20 all about the same percentage wise!

Look at what Drake has done against fully funded I-AA, a 41 (check my math) point drubbing at the hand of UNI.

USD doesn't play anyone else that has a shot at the playoffs, why should they?

[aggie6thman]

I apologize for my Aggie friend. Since I'm an engineer, I will do the math from now on. I agree that 13-25 is correct. 6thman...just picking you up bro! It's all good. :cool:

http://www.ianrowland.com/Images/Photos/Travels/WayOutWeSF/GGBrdigeStrauss.JPG

See, we hire people like you as consultants, so you can give us the numbers and we can make the decisions! :hurray: :nod: :rotateh:

[AggieFinn]

That is what happens when you havent taken a math class in almost 4 years. I am a poli sci major

Is this why politicians have trouble balancing budgets? :cool:

[AggieFinn]

See, we hire people like you as consultants, so you can give us the numbers and we can make the decisions! :hurray: :nod: :rotateh:

I think I can make my own decision when it comes to USD and the playoffs. Don't need complicated numbers for that one. :cool:

http://www.girlawhirl.com/girlawhirl/artman/uploads/cream_puff_2.jpg just add Torrero football as the other team.

[GOTOREROS]

:D
That is what happens when you havent taken a math class in almost 4 years. I am a poli sci major...OOPS. Still 13-25, 11-20 all about the same percentage wise!

Look at what Drake has done against fully funded I-AA, a 41 (check my math) point drubbing at the hand of UNI.

USD doesn't play anyone else that has a shot at the playoffs, why should they?

Don't worry I didn't catch your bad math either! I was an accounting major so I have no excuse! xlolx

GOTOREROS

[UMTbuds]

Let them in. Bring them to Missoula in the 1st round.

[GOTOREROS]

Let them in. Bring them to Missoula in the 1st round.

I would love it! You would kick our ass but it would be a great time - I have been to your stadium and its awesome. The ambience alone would be worth the ass kicking...


GOTOREROS

[grizfan86]

If the comittee thinks USD should be in the playoffs, than I guess they should be. Personally, I would never vote for them. It would be a shame for teams who have played in real conferences to lose the spot to them. Just here in the Big Sky, Portland State at 7-4 would be more deserving, and even the Kitty's will have played a real conference schedule and had the nards to play Colorado, and they won it! UNI played a real conference schedule and will be on the bubble. One of these teams should get the bid instead, but we all know (especially YSU last year) that the comittee knows best.

[MiamiTorero]

Of course USD is gonna lose this vote... if I was a scholarship school I wouldnt wanna be upset by them either.. HAHA

[Stang Fever]

If this poll is anything like what the committe thinks then USD can count themselves out of the playoffs

[Stang Fever]

Drake hasn't exactly played anyone either, so that 6-1 is really deceiving

Thu, Aug 31 Northern Iowa L 7-48
Sat, Sep 9 Upper Iowa W 40-7
Sat, Sep 16 Wisconsin-Platteville W 35-7
Sat, Sep 23 at Valparaiso W 21-7
Sat, Sep 30 Morehead State W 33-7
Sat, Oct 7 Waldorf W 35-3
Sat, Oct 14 at Butler W 29-0

Other than the UNI game, which they got waxed, this schedule is just as bad as USD's


if this doesnt show the big difference then what elese will. I hope the samething happens when USD plays Davis. and then USD will finally smell the roses

[Tod]

San Diego Opponents records to date:
Azusa Pacific (DII) 1-6
Dixie State (DII) 1-5
Yale 4-1
Davidson 3-3
Butler 2-5
Valpo 2-5
Combined Record 11-20

Not so sure about this one. I don't think they should be in becuase they play a cream puff schedule.

Just my :twocents: , but IMHO you have to subtract the losses these teams have to USD in order to gauge what they've done against OTHER oppontents. So, 13-19. Still not so good, but a more accurate description of the talent level.

Also, I find it rather funny that Yale is 4-1 with their lone loss a spanking by USD at home. I do wish USD had a tougher schedule, but I'd let them in with an 11-0 record, if they continue to dismember their opponents and depending on what happens during the remainder of the season.

[Stang Fever]

USD in the playoffs = no

[GOTOREROS]

USD in the playoffs = no

Yep - if AGS is an indicator then you are correct.

[Torero Tradition]

LOL, look how the poll was set up...
"the schedule doesn't warrent a selection" of course most people would vote no...

[AZGrizFan]

All we've proven here is there are 32 USD posters on this board.....

[Torero Tradition]

Hmmm 81% don't think USD should be in the playoffs on AGS, but yet they are a playoff caliber ranked team on AGS. Good stuff...

[Stang Fever]

LOL, look how the poll was set up...
"the schedule doesn't warrent a selection" of course most people would vote no...


well the yes button lets them say yes. if they fill they should be in the playoffs. and because anyone can win on AGS

[89Hen]

LOL, look how the poll was set up...
"the schedule doesn't warrent a selection" of course most people would vote no...
:confused: The two selections seem to be worded equally leading IMO. Let them play is a pretty good rallying call for USD. It's not like it says, "Yes, they are one of the premier teams in I-AA". xcoffeex

[89Hen]

All we've proven here is there are 32 USD posters on this board.....
It is an interesting collection. Montana fans that want them to come to Missoula actually outnumber the USD fans...

Montana folks
CatFan22 (throw in the MSU fan)
El Griz
grizbeer
GRIZNATION
nick9c
RockyMtnGriz
Tod
UMTbuds

USD fans
gobucknell06 (don't let the name fool you, this is a USD fan in disguise)
GOTOREROS
Torero Tradition
ToreroTime
MiamiTorero
usdtoreros

PFL fans
DetroitFlyer
Guard Dawg (I have my theories on who this is)
DUPFLFan

Auto bid fans
ASU Kep
GGASU
biobengal
Blue Hen Nation
Jaxhen
mcveyrl
rcny46
UNHWILDCATS05

Misc fans (interesting to note that these are all fans of teams who don't/can't participate in the playoffs or are unknown to me)
89rabbit (SDSU)
bincitysioux (UND I assume?)
bulldog10jw (Yale)
SU Jag (Southern)
Slackjaw
slycat
spelunker64
Steven Bryant
TaTownBacker

[Bisonforlife]

It is an interesting collection. Montana fans that want them to come to Missoula actually outnumber the USD fans...

Montana folks
CatFan22 (throw in the MSU fan)
El Griz
grizbeer
GRIZNATION
nick9c
RockyMtnGriz
Tod
UMTbuds

USD fans
gobucknell06 (don't let the name fool you, this is a USD fan in disguise)
GOTOREROS
Torero Tradition
ToreroTime
MiamiTorero
usdtoreros

PFL fans
DetroitFlyer
Guard Dawg (I have my theories on who this is)
DUPFLFan

Auto bid fans
ASU Kep
GGASU
biobengal
Blue Hen Nation
Jaxhen
mcveyrl
rcny46
UNHWILDCATS05

Misc fans (interesting to note that these are all fans of teams who don't/can't participate in the playoffs or are unknown to me)
89rabbit (SDSU)
bincitysioux (UND I assume?)
bulldog10jw (Yale)
SU Jag (Southern)
Slackjaw
slycat
spelunker64
Steven Bryant
TaTownBacker

There are still more of us none eligible teams in the "They don't belong camp due to their schedule however":D

[Torero Tradition]

of course San Diego belongs in the playoffs...

[GGASU]

It is an interesting collection. Montana fans that want them to come to Missoula actually outnumber the USD fans...

Montana folks
CatFan22 (throw in the MSU fan)
El Griz
grizbeer
GRIZNATION
nick9c
RockyMtnGriz
Tod
UMTbuds

USD fans
gobucknell06 (don't let the name fool you, this is a USD fan in disguise)
GOTOREROS
Torero Tradition
ToreroTime
MiamiTorero
usdtoreros

PFL fans
DetroitFlyer
Guard Dawg (I have my theories on who this is)
DUPFLFan

Auto bid fans
ASU Kep
GGASU
biobengal
Blue Hen Nation
Jaxhen
mcveyrl
rcny46
UNHWILDCATS05

Misc fans (interesting to note that these are all fans of teams who don't/can't participate in the playoffs or are unknown to me)
89rabbit (SDSU)
bincitysioux (UND I assume?)
bulldog10jw (Yale)
SU Jag (Southern)
Slackjaw
slycat
spelunker64
Steven Bryant
TaTownBacker


Hen...How can you tell who voted yes?

[JDC325]

Let them in. Bring them to Missoula in the 1st round.

Second that motion.

[cosmo here]

Second that motion.

that only deprives another school, and its coaches and players, of a spot in the playoffs.

[YoUDeeMan]

Hen...How can you tell who voted yes?

Click on the number indicating the number of votes.

[AggiePride]

Hen...How can you tell who voted yes?

Edit: NM... already answered

[HiHiYikas]

Yes (Let them play, who knows who can win on AGS)

This is not the right question to ask. Playoffs are not about who can win on a given Saturday. If that's the case, Wofford or Elon should be in there this year, and about 2 dozen teams like them. If playoffs were about the fact that "anybody could win on a given saturday," the field would need to be huge.

Making the playoffs is about fullfilling a set of minimum requirements set out by the folks that hold the playoffs. These requirements are in place to ensure that playoff bids aren't just given to winning teams, but teams successful enough to warrant selection. Do that, and you're in. Don't do it, and you can beat everybody you play by 100 points, and it doesn't matter.

[AppGuy04]

This is not the right question to ask. Playoffs are not about who can win on a given Saturday. If that's the case, Wofford or Elon should be in there this year, and about 2 dozen teams like them. If playoffs were about the fact that "anybody could win on a given saturday," the field would need to be huge.

Making the playoffs is about fullfilling a set of minimum requirements set out by the folks that hold the playoffs. These requirements are in place to ensure that playoff bids aren't just given to winning teams, but teams successful enough to warrant selection. Do that, and you're in. Don't do it, and you can beat everybody you play by 100 points, and it doesn't matter.

agreed, its not about what you COULD prove, its about what you HAVE proven

[usdtoreros]

agreed, its not about what you COULD prove, its about what you HAVE proven

And what are the polls set out to show?

[89Hen]

BTW, I am STILL waiting for a USD fan to post any OOC opponents for the upcoming years. They either don't exist or they are again weak and they're afraid they will effect everyone's opinion of them ever upgrading. Maybe I'm completely wrong and they do have some good OOC games coming up. Please prove me wrong Torero fans.

[usdtoreros]

BTW, I am STILL waiting for a USD fan to post any OOC opponents for the upcoming years. They either don't exist or they are again weak and they're afraid they will effect everyone's opinion of them ever upgrading. Maybe I'm completely wrong and they do have some good OOC games coming up. Please prove me wrong Torero fans.

They haven't released their schedule yet, but I haven't heard about any "big" games being scheduled. I am sure Azusa will be on the schedule again since it has been an ongoing series for years.

[89Hen]

They haven't released their schedule yet, but I haven't heard about any "big" games being scheduled. I am sure Azusa will be on the schedule again since it has been an ongoing series for years.
Don't need the full schedule to know who is upcoming. I can tell you all of UD's opponents for the next four years and even some beyond. Many claims were made that the schedule is weak this year because games are contracted years in advance and the USD AD would have no way of knowing that the Toreros were going to be this good so therefore they couldn't have scheduled better teams. Then it came out that USD turned down Cal Poly for a game this year. I just want to see who these teams are that USD can't forego for a better schedule. Contracts were obviously made to be changed or broken, just ask UC Davis or the NEC.

[cosmo here]

And what are the polls set out to show?

the people voting in the polls and the members of the selection committee are two very different groups, looking for different sets of criteria. it doesn't matter what the polls say.

[Walkon79]

You guys need to stop laying down so you get an extra bid. I thought you guys hate MSU. :p

:hurray: :hurray: :hurray:

[Torero Tradition]

GPI?

[OrneryAggie]

They haven't released their schedule yet, but I haven't heard about any "big" games being scheduled. I am sure Azusa will be on the schedule again since it has been an ongoing series for years.

Per an article in the Davis Enterprise USD refused UC Davis's offer for a 4 year home and home contract and also refused overtures from Cal Poly for future games.

[Pard4Life]

I applaud Matt Daugherty of the sports network for ranking San Diego #32 on the list of at-large playoff consideration... behind Monmouth... amen!! :nod:

[Pard4Life]

the people voting in the polls and the members of the selection committee are two very different groups, looking for different sets of criteria. it doesn't matter what the polls say.

Exactly.... the polls and GPI all agreed that YSU belonged in teh playoffs last year...

But guess what, YSU did not match the playoff criteria!

San Diego does not match the playoff criteria.. hence, no playoffs...

[89Hen]

Per an article in the Davis Enterprise USD refused UC Davis's offer for a 4 year home and home contract and also refused overtures from Cal Poly for future games.
A dozen new threads a day, 40 new USD posters on the boards, and we can't get any info on scheduling. :cool:

[GOTOREROS]

A dozen new threads a day, 40 new USD posters on the boards, and we can't get any info on scheduling. :cool:

Well, I'm just a fan. I don't work in the athletic department....I hear some things but am not privy to the internal workings of our AD.....sorry.

[89Hen]

Well, I'm just a fan. I don't work in the athletic department....I hear some things but am not privy to the internal workings of our AD.....sorry.
AFAIK, we don't have anybody who posts here who works in their school's AD, yet most everyone here can tell you their upcoming opponents.

[Torero Tradition]

San Diego does not match the playoff criteria.. hence, no playoffs...

what part of if SAN DIEGO WINS THIS WEEKEND THEY MEET THE PLAYOFF CRITERIA don't you understand?

[DetroitFlyer]

Let's just say that TSN is a charter member of the old guard! The fact that they have greatly contributed to proliferating the 100% made up "Mid-Major" non-sense has nothing to do with Matt's opinions....:rolleyes:

[Torero Tradition]

Listen to Matt D on I-AA waves and read his column... he is completey bias towards non-scholly teams. He should have attended the USD @ Yale game.

[cosmo here]

what part of if SAN DIEGO WINS THIS WEEKEND THEY MEET THE PLAYOFF CRITERIA don't you understand?

the part where, except for one team, their seven Division I wins are over teams that are nominally Division I. I really hope Yale loses to Harvard and Princeton so we don't have to listen to this, which is unfortunate, since everybody at Lafayette likes Jack Siedlecki.

[cosmo here]

Listen to Matt D on I-AA waves and read his column... he is completey bias towards non-scholly teams. He should have attended the USD @ Yale game.

and yet, The Sports Network puts out the Mid-Major poll, which recognizes teams that wouldn't be recognized without it . . and a poll that your website lists for your ranking every single week.

[YoUDeeMan]

Let's just say that TSN is a charter member of the old guard! The fact that they have greatly contributed to proliferating the 100% made up "Mid-Major" non-sense has nothing to do with Matt's opinions....:rolleyes:

Without the Mid-Major poll, most of those schools would get even less football recognition.

After the USD 15 minutes of fame are over, DetroitFlyer would prefer that those schools go back to the shadows?

[mainejeff]

It's impossible to say right now. After the regular season is over, you would need to compare their record and SOS vs. other playoff contenders records and SOS. If they end up 11-0 then they deserve serious consideration vs. 8-3 at-large teams.

[89Hen]

If they end up 11-0...
You mean 8-0. They would have only played 10 games, two of which the committee would throw out (Azusa and Dixie State).

[GOTOREROS]

This website sucks........I can't even stuff the ballot box...:D

[DetroitFlyer]

Personally, I refuse to post anything about the 100% made up "Mid-Major" nonsense on the UDPRIDE message board. When I talk about Dayton's I-AA ranking, I use the GPI, Sagarin, etc. If we are ranked in the top 25, ( which we have been in the past ), I will post that as well. I have said it 1000 times before and I'll say it again, there is no "Mid-Major" there is only I-AA!!!!! As for the PFL schools and website helping to proliferate this nonsense, I am 100% against that as well! USD's current rankings and Dayton's past rankings CLEARLY demonstrate that PFL teams can gain the appropriate recognition in I-AA without this "Mid-Major" nonsense!!!!! I truly hope that USD's success and playoff bid this year are the catalyst for change in the PFL. Hopefully, we hire a real commish and work to be recognized as what we are, a I-AA football conference!

[UMass922]

You mean 8-0. They would have only played 10 games, two of which the committee would throw out (Azusa and Dixie State).

Exactly. San Diego would be an eight-win team, and when the committee stacks up those eight wins against the eight wins of other at-large contenders, the decision will be very easy: San Diego will not make the playoffs.

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All the people who've voted for USD to be in the playoffs: You've been exposed...do you REALLY need a patsie in the first round THAT bad??? :D :D :D :D xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

[HiHiYikas]

Exactly. San Diego would be an eight-win team, and when the committee stacks up those eight wins against the eight wins of other at-large contenders, the decision will be very easy: San Diego will not make the playoffs.
And with that, nothing else needs to be said.

[YoUDeeMan]

Personally, I refuse to post anything about the 100% made up "Mid-Major" nonsense on the UDPRIDE message board. When I talk about Dayton's I-AA ranking, I use the GPI, Sagarin, etc. If we are ranked in the top 25, ( which we have been in the past ), I will post that as well. I have said it 1000 times before and I'll say it again, there is no "Mid-Major" there is only I-AA!!!!! As for the PFL schools and website helping to proliferate this nonsense, I am 100% against that as well! USD's current rankings and Dayton's past rankings CLEARLY demonstrate that PFL teams can gain the appropriate recognition in I-AA without this "Mid-Major" nonsense!!!!! I truly hope that USD's success and playoff bid this year are the catalyst for change in the PFL. Hopefully, we hire a real commish and work to be recognized as what we are, a I-AA football conference!

Poof! You have one of your wishes. The PFL is recognized as a I-AA football conference.

However, some teams have a different philosophy about funding football than the majority of the I-AA conferences. A few PFL teams (and NEC teams) have garnered some national attention. Congrats. But for the most part, most of those teams will not get national recognition.

So, why bash the Mid-Major poll? It allows for a comparison between schools with similar philosophies. Some people say there should not be a separate HBCU poll, but that poll means something to those teams and their fans. Same with the Mid-Major.

[Pard4Life]

what part of if SAN DIEGO WINS THIS WEEKEND THEY MEET THE PLAYOFF CRITERIA don't you understand?

STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE IS A JOKE... DUUUURF! xidiotx

[DetroitFlyer]

The first word in "HBCU" is the key. There is a ton of history and a very unique character to the HBCU's. HBCU's really are unique in the world of college football. Not many teams enjoy the fan following of HBCU's. One HBCU classic game will draw more fans than Dayton will draw all season, ( maybe even two seasons)! The PFL, MAAC and NEC are not all that unique or even similar. The NEC is now a scholarship league, the MAAC is a disaster, and the PFL is still trying to find its footing in the world of I-AA. All the "Mid-Major" nonsense just makes it that much more difficult for the PFL to be recognized and appreciated as a I-AA conference. The Ivy League certainly does not subscribe to the "Mid-Major" nonsense.... If the PFL is going to thrive, not just survive, we must work to be I-AA football conference, scholarships or not.

[Torero Tradition]

Very well said

[89Hen]

All the "Mid-Major" nonsense just makes it that much more difficult for the PFL to be recognized and appreciated as a I-AA conference. The Ivy League certainly does not subscribe to the "Mid-Major" nonsense.... If the PFL is going to thrive, not just survive, we must work to be I-AA football conference, scholarships or not.
If you want to be recognized and appreciated as a I-AA conference, there is an easy solution and it has nothing to do with a "MM" poll. Schedule and beat other I-AA programs from the autobid conferences (or at least hang with them).

Dayton - Robert Morris, Austin Peay and Whittenburg
Drake - UNI (big loss), Upper Iowa, Wisc-Platteville, Waldorf
San Diego - Yale, Azusa Pacific, Dixie State
Butler - Robert Morris, Missouri-Rolla, Albion, Hanover
Valpo - St. Joseph's, Wisconsin Lutheran, Trinity Intl, Aurora
Jacksonville - Southeastern LA (big loss), Gardner-Webb, North Greenville
Morehead - WIU (big loss), Austin Peay, Missouri-Rolla
Davidson - VMI, Wingate, Lenior-Rhyne

The NEC gets it, why can't you? xcoffeex

[DetroitFlyer]

I have certainly expressed my scheduling desires to our AD. The hot rumor is that Dayton will have a home and home with a Patroit League team beginning next season! Granted, it is not YSU as I recommended, but it might be a start.... Also, pleaase note that the MAAC teams have been playing PL teams and enjoying some success!

[Guard Dawg]

Maybe the exception should be that the winner of the PFL gets an autobid to the playoffs...

THE DIVISION III playoffs

[cosmo here]

I have certainly expressed my scheduling desires to our AD. The hot rumor is that Dayton will have a home and home with a Patroit League team beginning next season! Granted, it is not YSU as I recommended, but it might be a start.... Also, pleaase note that the MAAC teams have been playing PL teams and enjoying some success!

Yeah, the MAAC has a 1-3 record against the PL, which has been roundly criticized and is admittedly down, this year. That's some success . . counting a 20-17 win by Duquesne, which just Saturday had a 39-game conference win streak broken, over lowly Fordham as its only victory. Marist gets its third shot at a PL team on Saturday at Georgetown. :confused:

[Torero Tradition]

Lehigh could easily get into the playoffs and they lost to Yale...
San Diego crushed Yale...

[cosmo here]

Lehigh could easily get into the playoffs and they lost to Yale...
San Diego crushed Yale...

are you just rambling incoherently again or would you like to press the "QUOTE" button and let us in on what you're referring to. :rolleyes:

[89Hen]

Lehigh could easily get into the playoffs and they lost to Yale...
San Diego crushed Yale...
:rotateh: Delaware won the NC in 2003 in dominating fashion but lost to Northestern that year, a team that lost to three teams that didn't make the playoffs... should I alert those other teams that they got ripped off? :rolleyes:

[BlueHen86]

I voted yes, but to me it depends heavily on Yale. If Yale finishes 9 - 1 then I think San Diego should be in if they finish 10 - 0.

[Torero Tradition]

Go Yale go Toreros! :)

[cosmo here]

I voted yes, but to me it depends heavily on Yale. If Yale finishes 9 - 1 then I think San Diego should be in if they finish 10 - 0.

if Yale beats Princeton and Harvard, that doesn't mean they were that good in early September . . do you really want to put a team in the playoff field because of a result like that, when they haven't proven they're able to beat another team of that caliber?

[Torero Tradition]

Man, you will always twist and turn it to make it sound like USD isn't good.... go have another Twisted Tea (on me)

[BlueHen86]

Assuming Yale at 9 - 1 and San Diego at 10 - 0, yes I would put San Diego in the playoffs. The beat everybody on their schedule and handed a 9 - 1 team their only loss.
I wouldn't take them over 9 - 2 A-10, Socon, Gateway, Big Sky or Patriot teams, but I don't think that will be an issue this year.

[cosmo here]

Man, you will always twist and turn it to make it sound like USD isn't good.... go have another Twisted Tea (on me)

I have never said USD isn't good . . you can check my post history. But beating a (potential) 9-1 Yale team is not a playoff resume when your other nine games are against an NAIA, a DII and seven PFL teams. That's eight DI wins and only one that can be considered "quality". Schedule better next year.

[AggiePride]

Assuming Yale at 9 - 1 and San Diego at 10 - 0, yes I would put San Diego in the playoffs. The beat everybody on their schedule and handed a 9 - 1 team their only loss.
I wouldn't take them over 9 - 2 A-10, Socon, Gateway, Big Sky or Patriot teams, but I don't think that will be an issue this year.

Nice, maybe Davis should take some insight from a long time D-IAA school and start scheduling pansies and only one good (not great) game to get into the playoffs.

I am glad you support this formula for success!!

[BlueHen86]

Gee, sorry I voiced an opinion guys. Relax, I'm not on the commitee, it will be okay.
And who's this Davis guy? Is he 10 -0?

[AggiePride]

Gee, sorry I voiced an opinion guys. Relax, I'm not on the commitee, it will be okay.
And who's this Davis guy? Is he 10 -0?

Does sarcasm upset you, or just the fact you can't defend your opinion?

Take your own advice and relax man, it's a discussion board, if you do not like to DISCUSS then don't bother posting.

[BlueHen86]

I don't need to defend my opinion, I've already articulated it. You don't have to agree.
As far as sarcasm upsetting me... you sure read alot into my post.

[Torero Tradition]

I think Davis beats Delaware this year... but they will both have to watch USD in the playoffs :)

[BigApp]

:rolleyes:

[AggiePride]

I think Davis beats Delaware this year... but they will both have to watch USD in the playoffs :)

I think Davis beats USD this year :smiley_wi

[Torero Tradition]

But will they get to play each other?!?!?!?!?!?!?

USD could have between 3-6 games left depending :)
will be interesting to see

[Torero Tradition]

But will they get to play each other?!?!?!?!?!?!?

USD could have between 3-6 games left depending! :)
Will be interesting to see...

[Torero Tradition]

Assuming Yale at 9 - 1 and San Diego at 10 - 0, yes I would put San Diego in the playoffs. The beat everybody on their schedule and handed a 9 - 1 team their only loss.
I wouldn't take them over 9 - 2 A-10, Socon, Gateway, Big Sky or Patriot teams, but I don't think that will be an issue this year.

I wouldn't take them in over a 9-2 team from those conferences either