MAC Budgets.

[IBleedYellow]

Browsing Reddit and ran upon this.

Ouch.


http://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/20wqse/how_mac_football_is_funded_a_disturbing_analysis/

[superman7515]

Wrong forum LFN.

[clenz]

Browsing Reddit and ran upon this.

Ouch.


http://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/20wqse/how_mac_football_is_funded_a_disturbing_analysis/
A lot of the FCS isn't much different in that...especially in the MVFC. SIU is a major offender if I'm not mistaken

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Moved it to other sports.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

A lot of the FCS isn't much different in that...especially in the MVFC. SIU is a major offender if I'm not mistaken

You know what the cost/student is by chance for comparison?

[clenz]

You know what the cost/student is by chance for comparison?

I'll see if I can find the numbers again. This is a conversation UNI fans have almost yearly. UNI is near the bottom of the MVC (all sports) in money from student fees. I dint have the summit numbers. I think siu got about 7 million per year in student fees compared to like 1.2 at UNI. Those are rough guesses from memory and a year or two old.

I'll dig tonight/tomorrow

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[ursus arctos horribilis]

I'll see if I can find the numbers again. This is a conversation UNI fans have almost yearly. UNI is near the bottom of the MVC (all sports) in money from student fees. I dint have the summit numbers. I think siu got about 7 million per year in student fees compared to like 1.2 at UNI. Those are rough guesses from memory and a year or two old.

I'll dig tonight/tomorrow

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Cool. I know U of M is very low on sapping students for it's athletics as well.

[clenz]

Still digging for total numbers...but something interesting I came across from a discussion from UNI fans about a year ago



when comparing UNI to NIU we are comparable on ticket sales, have about double the contributions, and have higher rights/licensing revenue.

Biggest difference is NIU gets $17 million or 72% of it's budget from the general fund and student fees.

If UNI were to match that percent it would mean adding 9 million dollars per year in student fees

[clenz]

Still haven't found exactly what I'm looking for...but did come across some other interesting things.

A quote from a DSM Register article in 2012 about UNI and student fees...the link for the article doesn't work anymore. It's about UNI/the BOR shifting financing around and finding small ways to get off the states money and onto it's own a little more.


This year, the athletics department received about $1.5 million in student fees and about $4.5 million from the general fund. Those numbers would be reversed by 2020.

[clenz]

This is about a basketball school, VCU, but the idea of it still can be translated to the FCS as the story is the same at the majority of FCS schools because we all share a relatively common university profile.


The mandatory university fee at VCU was $1,587 in 2010-11, of which $559, or 35%, went to athletics. That fee rose to $1,637 in 2011-12, of which $610, or 37%, goes to athletics, according to figures provided by Pamela DiSalvo Lepley, executive director of university relations.

The university fee also supports such things as facilities, student commons and activities, student health services, recreational sports and parking and transportation. Some of those areas also had increases that contributed to the fee increase of about $50 from the year before; $31 of the increase went for athletics.

"I talked to a lot of students about this and the consensus is they're OK with it," said Asif Bhavnagri, president of VCU's Student Government Association. Smart is "a great coach who gives us national recognition and we're willing to pay a little more to keep him."

Teague said, "The student fee at VCU is ranked in the bottom third in the state of Virginia. Within the student fee is the athletic fee, and the percentage of our athletic fee is in the lower half as well. We're not gouging our students, by any means."

But VCU funnels money toward the athletics department in other ways. According to a document VCU filed with the NCAA in January, the department got $15.6 million of its $19.9 million in revenue from student fees in 2010-11. The document said the department had $21.4 million in expenses — a shortfall of about $1.5 million.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/story/2012-03-29/salaries-continue-rise-shaka-smart-vcu/53828414/1#.T3TjyBetxA4.twitter

[clenz]

This was a killer breakdown done on PantherNation by a poster in Sept of 2012 on the topic of a FBS move and if it was feasable. You really get to see just how little UNI pulls from it's students and how much the MAC does...

2011 MAC & UNI Finances

Mid-American Conference (minus Temple, no public records in database):
Average Revenue = $23,883,118
Average Expenditures = ($23,162,387)
Average Net Revenue = $720,731

Revenue:
Average Contributions = $1,295,437 (5.7%)
Average Other Revenue = $5,320,062 (22.5%)
Average Revenue Subsidy = $17,267,619 (71.7%); $17,985,965 (74.0%)*
- Average Student Fees = $9,123,645 (39.0%); $11,039,811 (46.3%)*
- Average Institution Aid = $8,143,974 (32.7%); $6,946,154 (27.7%)*
* 3 teams have either no Student Fees or no Institutional Aid (See below for number usage)

Northern Iowa:
Revenue = $17,208,212
Expenditures = ($16,029,348)
Net Revenue = $1,178,864

Revenue:
Contributions = $3,412,643 (19.8%)
Other Revenue = $5,647,781 (32.8%)
Revenue Subsidy = $8,147,788 (47.3%)
- Student Fees = $1,263,343 (7.3%)
- Institution Aid = $6,884,445 (40.0%)

So let’s put UNI on the MAC level:
- Revenue = $23,883,118 – MAC Average
- Expenditures = ($23,162,387) – MAC Average
- Net Revenue = $720,731 – MAC Average

Leaving the Contributions and Other Revenue the same, seeing how UNI is above the MAC average in both and there's no way of telling if and how they will go up or down with the move to FBS.

- Contributions = $3,412,643 (14.3%) – Current $$ amount, above MAC Average
- Other Revenue = $5,647,781 (23.6%) – Current $$ amount, above MAC Average

Subsidies is where the change will take place and the focal point of the true cost to the University.
Now how these subsidies get split up depends on which way you want to go.

New Revenue Subsidy = $14,822,694 (62.1%) – below MAC Average

1. Using the MAC Student Fee Average of 46.3%:
- Student Fees = $11,057,884 (46.3%) – 775.3% Increase in $$ amount
- Institution Aid = $3,764,810 (15.8%) – 45.3 % decrease

2. Using the MAC Institution Aid Average of 27.7%:
- Student Fees = $8,207,070 (34.4%) – 549.6% Increase
- Institution Aid = $6,615,624 (27.78%) – 3.9% decrease

3. Using the BOR recommendation of “Self-Sustaining” Athletic Departments:
- Student Fees = $14,822,694 (100.0%) – 1,073.3% Increase
- Institution Aid = $0 (0.0%) – 100.0% decrease

4. Using the current Institutional Aid Amount:
- Student Fees = $7,938,249 (33.3%) – 528.4% Increase
- Institution Aid = $6,884,445 (28.8%) – 0.0% change

5. Using the current Institutional Aid %:
- Student Fees = $5,269,447 (22.1%) – 317.1% Increase
- Institution Aid = $9,553,247 (40.0%) – 38.8% decrease

In conclusion, the BOR will not allow a hike in dollars for institutional aid, therefore student fees, among other things, would go up. It comes down to how much of the current institutional aid they are going to provide. Options 1, 2, and 5 keep us in the ballpark of current MAC schools, while not increasing the Institutional Aid amount. Even no Institutional Aid, with a 1,073.3% hike to student fees, puts UNI on par with Akron and Ohio.

[clenz]

He later added a break down of other conference (WAC no longer exists obviously and with realignment it's changed some I'm sure

C-USA:
Average Revenue = $31,644,088
Average Expenditures = ($31,064,888)
Average Net Revenue = $599,200

Revenue:
Average Contributions = $4,531,478 (14.31%)
Average Other Revenue = $11,930,124 (37.68%)
Average Revenue Subsidy = $15,202,485 (48.01%)
- Average Student Fees = $7,693,268 (24.30%)
- Average Institution Aid = $7,509,217 (23.72%)

MWC:
Average Revenue = $36,725,653
Average Expenditures = ($34,418,002)
Average Net Revenue = $2,307,651

Revenue:
Average Contributions = $5,077,307 (13.82%)
Average Other Revenue = $15,319,341 (41.71%)
Average Revenue Subsidy = $16,329,005 (44.46%)
- Average Student Fees = $3,940,733 (10.73%)
- Average Institution Aid = $12,388,272 (33.73%)

WAC:
Average Revenue = $25,610,852
Average Expenditures = ($25,019,103)
Average Net Revenue = $591,749

Revenue:
Average Contributions = $3,727,252 (14.55%)
Average Other Revenue = $10,295,132 (40.20%)
Average Revenue Subsidy = $11,588,468 (45.25%)
- Average Student Fees = $2,373,061 (9.27%)
- Average Institution Aid = $9,215,407 (35.98%)

Sun Belt:
Average Revenue = $17,521,417
Average Expenditures = ($17,615,815)
Average Net Revenue = ($94,398)

Revenue:
Average Contributions = $1,611,847 (9.20%)
Average Other Revenue = $4,803,290 (27.41%)
Average Revenue Subsidy = $11,106,280 (63.39%)
- Average Student Fees = $5,740,841 (32.76%)
- Average Institution Aid = $5,365,439 (30.62%)

[Laker]

Is there any serious thought about the MAC going to FCS? There are D2 and D3 schools that draw more than Eastern Michigan. They would still be D1 for basketball.

[IBleedYellow]

Is there any serious thought about the MAC going to FCS? There are D2 and D3 schools that draw more than Eastern Michigan. They would still be D1 for basketball.

They would rather drop programs before doing that, I would bet money on that.

To add to the number's Clenz said just for NDSU's figures, student fees don't even total over $1,000 here, it's like 17 per credit that maxes at 12 credits, if I remember correctly.

[Dane96]

Is there any serious thought about the MAC going to FCS? There are D2 and D3 schools that draw more than Eastern Michigan. They would still be D1 for basketball.

All of your sports must be DI under the Dayton rule, unless you are grandfathered in. No schools who are not already grandfathered will be grandfathered.

[Laker]

All of your sports must be DI under the Dayton rule, unless you are grandfathered in. No schools who are not already grandfathered will be grandfathered.

But if the MAC went FCS they are still D1 in all sports.

[walliver]

It's really an ego thing.
Playing in FBS, they can play a few money games and buy a home game with an FCS team (usually not a good FCS team).
Playing in FCS, they can play a few money games and buy a home game with an PFL or D2 team.
The main part of their seasons are playing each other, which wouldn't change regardless of their teams' classification.

One thing I find interesting, is that the MAC has the same real revenue (donations + other revenue) as the Sun Belt, but on average it's teams spend n average of $6-7,000,000 than the belters.

[Laker]

I just saw this article online. I haven't heard that the MAC is actually looking to expand- sounds like more speculation.

http://www.hustlebelt.com/2014/4/2/5539778/mac-mid-american-conference-expansion-options

[Twentysix]

I just saw this article online. I haven't heard that the MAC is actually looking to expand- sounds like more speculation.

http://www.hustlebelt.com/2014/4/2/5539778/mac-mid-american-conference-expansion-options

Isn't it more like replacing UMass?

[SDFS]

Many of the FBS schools revenue sources noted above look better than many FCS schools.