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T-Dog
March 1st, 2014, 04:42 PM
No Tuesday games for App State or Georgia Southern. ESPN will make a decision later which Sun Belt games get Thursday night spots so it's not set in stone yet.

Georgia Southern's schedule

8/30 @ NC State
9/06 Savannah State
9/13 @ Georgia Tech
9/20 @ South Alabama
9/27 Appalachian State
10/04 @ New Mexico State
10/11 Idaho
10/18 OPEN
10/25 @ Georgia State
11/1 Troy
11/08 @ Texas State
11/15 @ Navy
11/22 OPEN
11/29 ULM

App State's schedule

Sat, Aug 30 Michigan at Ann Arbor, Mich.
Sat, Sep 06 CAMPBELL BOONE, N.C.
Sat, Sep 13 BYE
Sat, Sep 20 Southern Miss at Hattiesburg, Miss.
Sat, Sep 27 Georgia Southern * at Statesboro Ga.
Sat, Oct 04 SOUTH ALABAMA * BOONE, N.C.
Sat, Oct 11 LIBERTY BOONE, N.C.
Sat, Oct 18 Troy * at Troy, Ala.
Sat, Oct 25 BYE
Sat, Nov 01 GEORGIA STATE * BOONE, N.C.
Sat, Nov 08 LOUISIANA-MONROE * BOONE, N.C.
Sat, Nov 15 Arkansas State * at Jonesboro, Ark.
Sat, Nov 22 Louisiana-Lafayette * at Lafayette, La.
Sat, Nov 29 IDAHO * BOONE, N.C

The schedule flips for 2015 so App will get ULL, stAte, Troy, GaSo plus Southern Miss in Boone.

citdog
March 1st, 2014, 04:48 PM
Who cares?

doesn't the sun bletch have a board?

clenz
March 2nd, 2014, 10:28 AM
Who cares?

doesn't the sun bletch have a board?

Mostly this.


Much like Texas State after their move you two are dead to the fcs world and no longer really exist in any meaningful way

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citdog
March 2nd, 2014, 03:12 PM
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PaladinFan
March 3rd, 2014, 07:43 AM
I mean, it's about what everyone expected, right?

GSU has five home games, two of which are teams they already play every year. In my opinion, a full 1/3 of GSU's schedule wouldn't finish in the top half of the SoCon in 2014 (SSU, Idaho, NMSU, and Georgia State).

citdog
March 3rd, 2014, 01:44 PM
I mean, it's about what everyone expected, right?

GSU has five home games, two of which are teams they already play every year. In my opinion, a full 1/3 of GSU's schedule wouldn't finish in the top half of the SoCon in 2014 (SSU, Idaho, NMSU, and Georgia State).


and their on TV exactly as many times as they would be in the SoCon.........HILARIOUS!



GOOD RIDDANCE

FCS_pwns_FBS
March 3rd, 2014, 03:04 PM
Mostly this.


Much like Texas State after their move you two are dead to the fcs world and no longer really exist in any meaningful way

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Unlike Texas State (who has won what, 2 FCS playoff games total) GSU and App leaving changes the landscape and creates a massive power vacuum in the SoCon.

But yeah, as far as the schedule, why should anyone here care?

Oh, and count on both GSU and App having one game moved to Thursday for ESPN2 or ESPNU.

Twentysix
March 3rd, 2014, 03:17 PM
Pretty decent schedules. OOC is much improved, the inconference schedule is pretty crappy though.

Best of luck to you both.

clenz
March 3rd, 2014, 03:19 PM
Unlike Texas State (who has won what, 2 FCS playoff games total) GSU and App leaving changes the landscape and creates a massive power vacuum in the SoCon.

But yeah, as far as the schedule, why should anyone here care?

Oh, and count on both GSU and App having one game moved to Thursday for ESPN2 or ESPNU.I wasn't trying to put GSU/ASU on the same level as TSU...but was more a point of "No longer FCS...so much like TSU we no longer really care".

It would be like me posting UMASS, Tulane, FIU, FAU, etc... schedule

AshevilleApp2
March 3rd, 2014, 04:12 PM
App beats Campbell, Bye, Bye and Georgia State. Other than that I don't know.

And while technically this is the Other Sports Forum and a legitimate place to start a discussion, I don't see the need to post these schedules here. Might just as well post UNC's schedule while you're at it. We left, they get it.

PaladinFan
March 3rd, 2014, 05:28 PM
Unlike Texas State (who has won what, 2 FCS playoff games total) GSU and App leaving changes the landscape and creates a massive power vacuum in the SoCon.

But yeah, as far as the schedule, why should anyone here care?

Oh, and count on both GSU and App having one game moved to Thursday for ESPN2 or ESPNU.

Texas State had a decent run in 2005.

I still don't see the power vacuum. Sure, there are fewer good teams today than there were last season, but that will balance out. The SoCon will likely have two or three top 10-15 teams like they always seem to.

Besides, you may have missed last season's standings, but neither App nor GSU were the top team in the Conference.

citdog
March 3rd, 2014, 10:46 PM
Unlike Texas State (who has won what, 2 FCS playoff games total) GSU and App leaving changes the landscape and creates a massive power vacuum in the SoCon.

But yeah, as far as the schedule, why should anyone here care?

Oh, and count on both GSU and App having one game moved to Thursday for ESPN2 or ESPNU.


1. NEITHER OF YOU DID **** YOUR LAST YEAR.

2. WE ARE JUST FINE WITHOUT YOU.

3. I WON'T CARE AND WON'T WATCH.


BYE

PaladinFan
March 4th, 2014, 08:21 AM
Almost half of Georgia Southern's games are against teams that are in the FCS or played in the FCS within the last three years (App State, Ga State, Texas State, So Alabama, SSU).

The only SoCon teams that finished lower in Sagarin than New Mexico State, Georgia State, and Idaho were perennial FCS bottom-dwellers Western Carolina and Elon.

FCS_pwns_FBS
March 4th, 2014, 09:45 AM
Texas State had a decent run in 2005.

I still don't see the power vacuum. Sure, there are fewer good teams today than there were last season, but that will balance out. The SoCon will likely have two or three top 10-15 teams like they always seem to.

Besides, you may have missed last season's standings, but neither App nor GSU were the top team in the Conference.

You can't ignore that since Marshall left GSU and App State have at least a share of 15 of the 17 conference championships. That's a game-changer and one season doesn't change that.

Don't get me wrong, though. A power vacuum means opportunities for other teams to better themselves. Maybe now Samford, UTC, and El Cid can get a few playoff appearances now and in turn improve recruiting.

PaladinFan
March 4th, 2014, 10:21 AM
You can't ignore that since Marshall left GSU and App State have at least a share of 15 of the 17 conference championships. That's a game-changer and one season doesn't change that.

Don't get me wrong, though. A power vacuum means opportunities for other teams to better themselves. Maybe now Samford, UTC, and El Cid can get a few playoff appearances now and in turn improve recruiting.

You make my point for me. In the 25 years from when App State joined the SoCon (1971) until Marshall left (1997), App State had four SoCon titles (the same number as UTC, actually). In the 17 years after Marshall left, they had eight SoCon titles and three national titles.

The point is that Marshall leaves the conference, and App State becomes a national powerhouse. It provided an opportunity. Sure, the level of football was not as good in 1997 as it was in 1996, but it didn't stay that way long. GSU won titles in '99 and '00, Furman was in the title game in '01 and made deep runs in '04 and '05. App State won three consecutive titles from '05-'07 and had several deep runs. Marshall got replaced.

It won't happen next year, but what is to keep any of the current SoCon teams from just becoming the next great FCS power after GSU and App leave? Nothing.

walliver
March 4th, 2014, 11:35 AM
The schedules are about as expected, but you would think the ASU-GSU game would be at the end of the year, not the beginning of the season. - I guess beggars can't be choosers.

citdog
March 4th, 2014, 08:25 PM
The schedules are about as expected, but you would think the ASU-GSU game would be at the end of the year, not the beginning of the season. - I guess beggars can't be choosers.

like i have been saying for a long time.......THAT'S NOT A RIVALRY GAME

seantaylor
March 5th, 2014, 04:19 AM
Funny as hell reading this. Furman hasn't been relevant since Bush. Now they may win a one bid league.

citdog
March 5th, 2014, 04:24 AM
Funny as hell reading this. Furman hasn't been relevant since Bush. Now they may win a one bid league.


How many bids to the 'playoff system' does pig's ass, ga's current conference have?

CID1990
March 5th, 2014, 07:44 AM
How many bids to the 'playoff system' does pig's ass, ga's current conference have?

The sun Blet board must be as exciting as the conference itself!

It only held battlin' bishop boy's attention for a few weeks and now he's back

PaladinFan
March 5th, 2014, 07:53 AM
Funny as hell reading this. Furman hasn't been relevant since Bush. Now they may win a one bid league.

It is not very compelling to attack the arguer and not the argument. Your definition of Furman's "relevancy" has little to nothing to do with the question of Georgia Southern's underwhelming football schedule.

Speaking of Bush, since his inauguration January 20, 2001, Furman has three SoCon titles and a national championship appearance. GSU has four SoCon titles and no national title appearance. Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

T-Dog
March 5th, 2014, 03:10 PM
The good news is that we should win some games. At this point since we can't go to a bowl this year, winning games and building the profile of the program is more important than most things. Hell, ODU built a program off beating a bunch of cupcakes when they couldn't go to the playoffs and not many people asked about the quality of wins.

At least the App/GaSo game should be at night.

Also, ULM is Black Saturday. Weird not seeing Furman in that spot, but it is what it is. Out home schedule is meh, but it brings fruit in the long term with home and homes with ODU, Charlotte and Akron.

citdog
March 5th, 2014, 03:15 PM
but it brings fruit in the long term with home and homes with ODU, Charlotte and Akron.


because THOSE are good teams

why are you still here?

sun bletchbbs tire of you?

Lehigh Football Nation
March 5th, 2014, 04:53 PM
Also, ULM is Black Saturday.

Ladies and gentlemen, this says everything you need to know.

T-Dog
March 6th, 2014, 03:56 AM
Ladies and gentlemen, this says everything you need to know.

Keep on preaching to that small congregation. I've been amicable during this whole time while you and yours **** all over us. I had some fun times in FCS and thanks to people like you, it's put a sour taste in a lot of people's mouths who otherwise would have stuck around, mine included. Yes we had our assholes, but they were going to leave anyway.

I wish I was still a mod so I could ban the **** out of you.

PaladinFan
March 6th, 2014, 08:08 AM
The good news is that we should win some games. At this point since we can't go to a bowl this year, winning games and building the profile of the program is more important than most things. Hell, ODU built a program off beating a bunch of cupcakes when they couldn't go to the playoffs and not many people asked about the quality of wins.

At least the App/GaSo game should be at night.

Also, ULM is Black Saturday. Weird not seeing Furman in that spot, but it is what it is. Out home schedule is meh, but it brings fruit in the long term with home and homes with ODU, Charlotte and Akron.

This is somewhat unrelated to the SunBelt, but how good is App supposed to be this season?

Over the last two years the Apps have endured some humbling losses. I don't really buy the excuses either. GSU fans tried to explain away their poor season by blaming injuries. That lasted until they beat Florida, which just about put a bullet in that argument.

The last two seasons I really think that App has slipped significantly. If they were in the SoCon in 2014, I would put them behind Furman, UTC, Samford, and Wofford. I didn't think they would be in the running for a SoCon title in 2013, and they weren't. Granted, they were worse than I expected they'd be, but I still thought they were the third or fourth best team in the conference (even before Price's suspension).

Lehigh Football Nation
March 6th, 2014, 10:40 AM
Keep on preaching to that small congregation. I've been amicable during this whole time while you and yours **** all over us. I had some fun times in FCS and thanks to people like you, it's put a sour taste in a lot of people's mouths who otherwise would have stuck around, mine included. Yes we had our assholes, but they were going to leave anyway.

I wish I was still a mod so I could ban the **** out of you.

ULM as your big Black Saturday game instead of Furman - it is what it is. You've replaced this game, which historically has involved a big local rival and a lot of local interest (not to mention FCS interest), with a conference game from a school that is 12 hours away, a school that is about half the size of App in terms of enrollment, a school that App has never played, and a school which, frankly, doesn't really resemble App in any way shape or form. I continue to say that speaks volumes about modern college athletics.

That's not to say that App shouldn't have the opportunity to compete in FBS if that's what they want to do. They should be able to do that. NCAA rules should be amended to allow schools to do that - but in a way where schools don't need to shoehorn themselves into zombie conferences like the Sun Belt, wrecking any chance at developing sensible local rivalries, or conferences, as a result.

PaladinFan
March 6th, 2014, 12:11 PM
ULM as your big Black Saturday game instead of Furman - it is what it is. You've replaced this game, which historically has involved a big local rival and a lot of local interest (not to mention FCS interest), with a conference game from a school that is 12 hours away, a school that is about half the size of App in terms of enrollment, a school that App has never played, and a school which, frankly, doesn't really resemble App in any way shape or form. I continue to say that speaks volumes about modern college athletics.

That's not to say that App shouldn't have the opportunity to compete in FBS if that's what they want to do. They should be able to do that. NCAA rules should be amended to allow schools to do that - but in a way where schools don't need to shoehorn themselves into zombie conferences like the Sun Belt, wrecking any chance at developing sensible local rivalries, or conferences, as a result.

It's a bizarre system, but it is what it is.

Some of the SunBelt schools resemble one another. South Alabama shares a good bit in common with ULL, for instance. App State is kind of the outlier. The only school they have any commonality with is Georgia Southern, and that's really more of a product of the Southern Conference. ASU might share some common features with a school like Idaho in terms of students and atmosphere, but the distance between the schools would preclude any sense of cohesion or rivalry.

AshevilleApp2
March 6th, 2014, 03:51 PM
This is somewhat unrelated to the SunBelt, but how good is App supposed to be this season?

Over the last two years the Apps have endured some humbling losses. I don't really buy the excuses either. GSU fans tried to explain away their poor season by blaming injuries. That lasted until they beat Florida, which just about put a bullet in that argument.

The last two seasons I really think that App has slipped significantly. If they were in the SoCon in 2014, I would put them behind Furman, UTC, Samford, and Wofford. I didn't think they would be in the running for a SoCon title in 2013, and they weren't. Granted, they were worse than I expected they'd be, but I still thought they were the third or fourth best team in the conference (even before Price's suspension).

I have no idea how good App will be this year, and neither of us really knows where the team will place in the Sun Belt (or would in the Southern for that matter). The 2013 team was really bad, no doubt about it. The 2012 team was bad by App standards, no question about that either. But they were still good enough to share the Conference title and make the playoffs. And if I recall correctly, they were good enough to beat Furman.

PaladinFan
March 6th, 2014, 09:10 PM
I have no idea how good App will be this year, and neither of us really knows where the team will place in the Sun Belt (or would in the Southern for that matter). The 2013 team was really bad, no doubt about it. The 2012 team was bad by App standards, no question about that either. But they were still good enough to share the Conference title and make the playoffs. And if I recall correctly, they were good enough to beat Furman.

Yes, an App team that shared the SoCon title managed to beat the worst Furman team in 20 years by five in 2012. Furman took two out of the last three (the two in Greenville were decisive Furman wins), won the last one in a blowout, has a convincing winning record against App, and has more SoCon titles. But yes, we lost two years ago.

This is just my opinion, but App State and Elon are the only SoCon teams that have gotten worse the last five years.

citdog
March 6th, 2014, 09:16 PM
And if I recall correctly, they were good enough to beat Furman.


but didn't QUITE measure up to The Citadel

seantaylor
March 6th, 2014, 11:58 PM
Furman a total juggernaut

AshevilleApp2
March 7th, 2014, 05:56 AM
but didn't QUITE measure up to The Citadel

Didn't even come close.

AshevilleApp2
March 7th, 2014, 06:11 AM
Yes, an App team that shared the SoCon title managed to beat the worst Furman team in 20 years by five in 2012. Furman took two out of the last three (the two in Greenville were decisive Furman wins), won the last one in a blowout, has a convincing winning record against App, and has more SoCon titles. But yes, we lost two years ago.

This is just my opinion, but App State and Elon are the only SoCon teams that have gotten worse the last five years.

Furman does have a great history. Thirteen conference championships since 1936 with a national championship certainly trumps twelve conference championships since 1971 with three national championships. Head to head you have beaten App, no question about it, but in the last 10 years things were getting closer. I wish it could continue.

And you are correct that App has gotten worse in the last five years, but its hard to sustain the kind of excellence that we had from 2005-2009. May you experience that kind of joy in your lifetime. xthumbsupx

PaladinFan
March 7th, 2014, 07:57 AM
Furman does have a great history. Thirteen conference championships since 1936 with a national championship certainly trumps twelve conference championships since 1971 with three national championships. Head to head you have beaten App, no question about it, but in the last 10 years things were getting closer. I wish it could continue.

And you are correct that App has gotten worse in the last five years, but its hard to sustain the kind of excellence that we had from 2005-2009. May you experience that kind of joy in your lifetime. xthumbsupx

Every single one of Furman's 13 SoCon championships came after App State joined the conference. I suppose if you want to count App State's North State Conference championships, then they have the lead all time.

Besides, Furman's football history is not my point. I raise only the question of whether App State has a realistic chance of being competitive in the SunBelt in 2014. They are, in my opinion, a middle of the pack SoCon team right now. Maybe that's good enough to win the SunBelt, I don't know.

AshevilleApp2
March 7th, 2014, 11:38 AM
Every single one of Furman's 13 SoCon championships came after App State joined the conference. I suppose if you want to count App State's North State Conference championships, then they have the lead all time.

Besides, Furman's football history is not my point. I raise only the question of whether App State has a realistic chance of being competitive in the SunBelt in 2014. They are, in my opinion, a middle of the pack SoCon team right now. Maybe that's good enough to win the SunBelt, I don't know.

Correct about the championships after App joined, I was hoping you would catch that. Of course you had six before we had our first one in 1986.

I don't know about how App will do in the Sun Belt either. And you may be right about where App would stand in the SoCon in 2014. But I also learned long ago that what you expect in March doesn't always hold true come November. Good example being 2008. I absolutely believed then that there would be at least one more national championship ahead. Wrong. All moot now of course.

PaladinFan
March 7th, 2014, 12:51 PM
Correct about the championships after App joined, I was hoping you would catch that. Of course you had six before we had our first one in 1986.

I don't know about how App will do in the Sun Belt either. And you may be right about where App would stand in the SoCon in 2014. But I also learned long ago that what you expect in March doesn't always hold true come November. Good example being 2008. I absolutely believed then that there would be at least one more national championship ahead. Wrong. All moot now of course.

I tell ya, if Armanti Edwards had not just mailed in the last two years, App really could have been something ;)

AshevilleApp2
March 7th, 2014, 01:08 PM
I tell ya, if Armanti Edwards had not just mailed in the last two years, App really could have been something ;)

Sad isn't it? Of course Elon had something to do with it .

I wasn't just talking about AE's time either. According to people who pay more attention than I do, we were just entering the Golden Era heading into 2008. Greatest recruiting classes of all time, etc.

Of course I doubt that after 2004 you would have thought that Furman would essentially enter free fall as well (2005 Semi Final appearance being the exception). How many years did you go without making the playoffs?

PaladinFan
March 7th, 2014, 03:30 PM
Sad isn't it? Of course Elon had something to do with it .

I wasn't just talking about AE's time either. According to people who pay more attention than I do, we were just entering the Golden Era heading into 2008. Greatest recruiting classes of all time, etc.

Of course I doubt that after 2004 you would have thought that Furman would essentially enter free fall as well (2005 Semi Final appearance being the exception). How many years did you go without making the playoffs?

2006 was the last appearance before this season.

Most at Furman tend to chalk up Furman's demise to a series of poor recruiting years. Furman was still landing talent (9 players in NFL camps last year, and Dakota Dozier should be a draft pick this season), but the depth just was no longer there, particularly along offensive and defensive lines..

It's hard to know what caused it. Looking back, it appears that the football program did not have a big supporter in the President's office (despite being a former player himself), facilities drastically lagged behind the rest of the conference, and Lamb had a much smaller budget with which to work with than Fowler does (I think). I think most of those problems are fixed, and (surprise) Furman goes back to its familiar perch.

App fans can appreciate that a great quarterback like an Ingle Martin or Armanti Edwards can mask a bit some internal problems with the program. Those two guys made a lot of players a lot better than they probably otherwise were. It is one reason, I think, after those guys graduated you saw the programs take significant steps backwards. Good teams quarterbacked by once in a generation type talent. Once gone, reality looked a bit more bleak.

OL FU
March 7th, 2014, 05:07 PM
THe only thing that made me happy about ASU and GSU leaving was that Sean Taylor would disappear.

How disappointingxrolleyesx

AshevilleApp2
March 8th, 2014, 03:25 AM
2006 was the last appearance before this season.

Most at Furman tend to chalk up Furman's demise to a series of poor recruiting years. Furman was still landing talent (9 players in NFL camps last year, and Dakota Dozier should be a draft pick this season), but the depth just was no longer there, particularly along offensive and defensive lines..

It's hard to know what caused it. Looking back, it appears that the football program did not have a big supporter in the President's office (despite being a former player himself), facilities drastically lagged behind the rest of the conference, and Lamb had a much smaller budget with which to work with than Fowler does (I think). I think most of those problems are fixed, and (surprise) Furman goes back to its familiar perch.

App fans can appreciate that a great quarterback like an Ingle Martin or Armanti Edwards can mask a bit some internal problems with the program. Those two guys made a lot of players a lot better than they probably otherwise were. It is one reason, I think, after those guys graduated you saw the programs take significant steps backwards. Good teams quarterbacked by once in a generation type talent. Once gone, reality looked a bit more bleak.

Good point about the QB's, and we were lucky to have Richie Williams prior to Armanti Edwards. For that matter, I think Trey Elder was good enough by his senior season to have led us to a deep run in the playoffs.