Lafayette at New Hampshire

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I wish I had the Vitale quote...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=v8e1Ee95tqM

[Bogus Megapardus]

Does Rose Hill Gym even meet PL standards?

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Does Rose Hill Gym even meet PL standards?

It's slightly nicer than Cotterell.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Rose Hill Gymnasium...

http://a.espncdn.com/magazine/Insider/fordham_3.jpg

[Go Green]

Rose Hill Gymnasium...

http://a.espncdn.com/magazine/Insider/fordham_3.jpg

That's pretty much what American's Bender Arena looks like (with maybe a little more seating).

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

Wow, I've attended basketball games at Rose Hill (UNH vs Fordham), Cotterell (UNH vs Colgate) and Bender (Holy Cross vs American). I wonder how many non Patriot fans have attended games at that venue troika?

I figured this thread needed at least some loose connection to UNH as long as it's going to persevere!!! xrotatehx :D

[Sader87]

Rose Hill is the oldest continuously used gym in D1 no? I thought I've heard that mentioned before...

[Sader87]

Turns out we coulda been in the Ivy League too:

http://www.nytimes.com/1982/01/10/sports/ivy-league-considers-adding-2-schools.html

[Go...gate]

Yes, indeed. Cross, Colgate and W&M were absolutely in the mix. Too bad it did not occur.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Yes, indeed. Cross, Colgate and W&M were absolutely in the mix. Too bad it did not occur.

My understanding always has been that, when Ivy discussions finally came to fruition in the mid 50s, Virginia, Rutgers and Colgate were the "first out." While I don't doubt the NYT article regarding later additions, the original discussions centered on T&F as much as football. Virginia and Rutgers were historic T&F rivals to Penn and Princeton. For football, Colgate should have been a natural choice - but Cornell was bigger and Columbia has something of a football presence at the time. Plus Colgate didn't have a first-rate rowing crew. That was (and remains) important.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

CBSSSN has allowed me the opportunity to take in the Lafayette-Colgate game. Kirby Fieldhouse is still at the bottom of the PL facility wise. I thought the school really spruced it up. The only noticeable difference is the modern seating and added bleaches on the baseline. It's really not much different than Colgate's Cotterall Court. The PL in general has quite a few "HS'esque" gyms. Kirby, Bender, Cotterell, Reitz are pretty bad....

http://imgick.lehighvalleylive.com/home/lvlive-media/pgmain/img/express-times/photo/2013/11/-ef0ce3a44b821d9c.JPG

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

This Reitz Arena at Loyola. Does the PL have on average, the worst basketball facilities in the D1 basketball? Maybe the Atlantic Sun or Northeast? The best arena's are at Bucknell and Navy and they're nothing to write home about imo. Lehigh, Boston and Army have decent venues too.

http://grfx.cstv.com/schools/locl/graphics/auto/reitz-arena-1.jpg

[ngineer]

Lafayette reduced their capacity by almost 1,500. used to seat around 4,000. Went from wooden bleachers to more comfortable seats.

[ngineer]

I wish I had the Vitale quote...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=v8e1Ee95tqM

Yes, I remember that well. He told Billy Packer (who grew up in Bethlehem, Pa, and whose Dad coached Lehigh in the early 60's) that he'd drive Lehigh's bus back to Bethlehem if they beat Temple. When Lehigh pulled within 3 points with just a few minutes left in the game, Packer told Vitale he should start looking for the keys to the bus.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Yes, I remember that well. He told Billy Packer (who grew up in Bethlehem, Pa, and whose Dad coached Lehigh in the early 60's) that he'd drive Lehigh's bus back to Bethlehem if they beat Temple. When Lehigh pulled within 3 points with just a few minutes left in the game, Packer told Vitale he should start looking for the keys to the bus.

'87-'88 Lehigh could have been a Top 25, Sweet 16 type team in today's college basketball world imo. Having two Sr's like Polaha and Queenan in today's basketball world would be a tremendous gift. No offense to Lehigh, but those guys had no business playing for the Engineers....

[DFW HOYA]

This Reitz Arena at Loyola. Does the PL have on average, the worst basketball facilities in the D1 basketball? Maybe the Atlantic Sun or Northeast?

Navy has a fine arena, and if BU plays at the Agannis Center it's a nice facility. But that's about it.

http://image1.stadiumjourney.com/images/stadiums/739_Corner_View

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Navy has a fine arena, and if BU plays at the Agannis Center it's a nice facility. But that's about it.

http://image1.stadiumjourney.com/images/stadiums/739_Corner_View

Navy has a nice arena. It's easily the nicest in the league imo. Still, relative to the MAAC and CAA, the PL lags behind by a considerable amount. I'm not trying to rag on PL hoops, I just wish their was more interest....

[Bogus Megapardus]

CBSSSN has allowed me the opportunity to take in the Lafayette-Colgate game.

And what an awful game it was, from a Lafayette standpoint.

Kirby is what it is. We're just 2,300 students, give or take - and even that is up considerably from my days on College Hill, given the construction of new dorms and the acquisition of many of the houses on College Hill that have been renovated and transformed into student housing for upperclassmen.

Kirby is close, convenient and accessible. It will never be a "statement" arena given the facility's multi-purpose use and the deliberately small size of the school. A new facility would have to be constructed; reportedly plans exist but that would be a long, long time coming. New bio-science, engineering and international relations facilities quite properly take precedence. Kirby will do quite nicely for now in its "renovated" condition.

Take a look at some of the Ivy bball facilities if you really want to see "retro." For that matter, look at Tom Gola Arena (La Salle) or Hagan Arena (St Joseph's). Kirby compares favorably, I think. Would I like to have Sojka or Agganis? Sure. But for now, Kirby is a nice home - just as Stabler suits Lehigh.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Lafayette reduced their capacity by almost 1,500. used to seat around 4,000. Went from wooden bleachers to more comfortable seats.

I recall 4,000 in the place for Notre Dame back in the 80s. To say it "seated" 4,000 (including the temporary endcourt stands) leaves a bit to be desired. Even last year's "capacity" 3,200 for Lehigh and Bucknell on the wooden bleachers was horribly uncomfortable for middle aged posteriors such as mine. The new configuration is much more pleasant; it allows you to focus on the game and even get up for a Dr. Pepper or three rather than battling for position on the ol' pinewood.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

GW's renovated Smith Center would be the perfect template for a Stabler renovation. If only there was the interest to justify it...

http://image1.stadiumjourney.com/images/stadiums/724_Smith_Center.jpg

http://www.stadiumsusa.com/images/thumbs/b3bddbb2e3c153be904fecdedae5d98224278b59.jpg-590x1000.png

[Bogus Megapardus]

GW's renovated Smith Center would be the perfect template for a Stabler renovation. If only there was the interest to justify it...

George Washington = 27,000 students

Lehigh = 8,000 students

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YjSHbA6HQQ&feature=player_detailpage

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

George Washington = 27,000 students

Lehigh = 8,000 students

Not sure what that really has to do with anything? The majority of those are grad students. Plus, I'm don't believe GW relies on alums to attend bball games. They draw students from every corner of the world.

The two facilities are very similar in terms of design and size.

[carney2]

Lehigh, Boston and Army have decent venues.

Lehigh? Are you kidding me?!! That barn has all the ambiance of an airplane hangar.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Lehigh? Are you kidding me?!! That barn has all the ambiance of an airplane hangar.

Which leads me to another point. I've always felt football stadiums have "ambience" but "ambience" in a gym for basketball is overrated. They are what they are: gyms that are enclosed. There is no view of a mountain, or a city, or a campus. In the end they are the interior of buildings, and can't surmount that.

A football stadium, though, has outdoor sights, smells, fresh air. Beaver Stadium at Penn State has "ambience". Not so much the gym.

[UNHWildcat18]

Which leads me to another point. I've always felt football stadiums have "ambience" but "ambience" in a gym for basketball is overrated. They are what they are: gyms that are enclosed. There is no view of a mountain, or a city, or a campus. In the end they are the interior of buildings, and can't surmount that.

A football stadium, though, has outdoor sights, smells, fresh air. Beaver Stadium at Penn State has "ambience". Not so much the gym.


+1 while both bring different environments to the table, totally different IMO.

[Franks Tanks]

Navy has a nice arena. It's easily the nicest in the league imo. Still, relative to the MAAC and CAA, the PL lags behind by a considerable amount. I'm not trying to rag on PL hoops, I just wish their was more interest....

Not really true, especially for the MAAC. Nearly every MAAC basketball arena seats less than 3,500, and Rider, Iona, Manhattan, St. Peters, Niagra and Canisus are realy small for so called basketball schools.

The A-10 also has many small arenas. As Bogie noted the venues at St. Joe's and Lasalle are no better than PL gyms. Fordham and St. Bonny are similar.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Not really true, especially for the MAAC. Nearly every MAAC basketball arena seats less than 3,500, and Rider, Iona, Manhattan, St. Peters, Niagra and Canisus are realy small for so called basketball schools.

The A-10 also has many small arenas. As Bogie noted the venues at St. Joe's and Lasalle are no better than PL gyms. Fordham and St. Bonny are similar.

The MAAC's top arenas are WAY better than the PL's best. Granted, they're city owned venue's...

La Salle and Fordham are really the only two gym's that are considerably smaller than the rest imo. The Reilly Center at SBU seats about 6k. It's very similar to Army's Christl Arena. Hagan is nicer than Rose Hill and Tom Gola by a decent amount...

SBU's Reilly Center....
http://image2.stadiumjourney.com/images/stadiums/745_Game_Action_Reilly_Center.jpg

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Lehigh? Are you kidding me?!! That barn has all the ambiance of an airplane hangar.

Stabler is pretty nice, especially relative to their PL peers. The fact that no one shows up isn't the venues problem....

[Franks Tanks]

The MAAC's nice arena's are WAY better than the PL's best. Granted, their city owned venue's...

La Salle and Fordham are really the only two gym's that are considerably smaller than the rest imo. The Reilly Center at SBU seats about 6k. It's very similar to Army's Christl Arena. Hagan is nicer than Rose Hill and Tom Gola by a decent amount...

SBU's Reilly Center....
http://image2.stadiumjourney.com/images/stadiums/745_Game_Action_Reilly_Center.jpg

Ok, I will give you St. Bonny, but the MAAC has small time gyms.

[Sader87]

Hart Center today:18813

Opened in December 1975...it was probably "out-dated" the day it opened. Great place to see/experience a game with a sold-out crowd (a rarity lately) but it was few amenities.

The PL is just not a "hoop league culturally" in general. I would say that basketball is the primary sport at only a few PL schools: American, Bucknell and Holy Cross.

[DFW HOYA]

Which leads me to another point. I've always felt football stadiums have "ambience" but "ambience" in a gym for basketball is overrated. They are what they are: gyms that are enclosed. There is no view of a mountain, or a city, or a campus. In the end they are the interior of buildings, and can't surmount that.

The great gyms have plenty of ambiance. The Butler Fieldhouse:

http://cdn87.psbin.com/img/mw=410/mh=257/cr=n/d=bwrrf/78jm85k9meuoqqgr.jpg

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Hart Center today:18813

Opened in December 1975...it was probably "out-dated" the day it opened. Great place to see/experience a game with a sold-out crowd (a rarity lately) but it was few amenities.

The PL is just not a "hoop league culturally" in general. I would say that basketball is the primary sport at only a few PL schools: American, Bucknell and Holy Cross.

I'd argue that Lafayette is more of a basketball school, at least over the last 50 years or so...

[Sader87]

I'd argue that Lafayette is more of a basketball school, at least over the last 50 years or so...

Agreed....my bad. Lafayette had probably the best pre-PL "basketball history" beside HC (not including Fordham who has since left) when the league was formed.

American: decent support, but often an after-thought to GW and GTown in DC
Army: it's just different at SA's, Bob Knight and Coach K notwithstanding
BU: hockey
CU: see BU
Lehigh: rasslin'
Loyola: somewhat, but lax is probably their primary sport
Navy: see Army

Colgate: hockey

[Franks Tanks]

Hart Center today:18813

Opened in December 1975...it was probably "out-dated" the day it opened. Great place to see/experience a game with a sold-out crowd (a rarity lately) but it was few amenities.

The PL is just not a "hoop league culturally" in general. I would say that basketball is the primary sport at only a few PL schools: American, Bucknell and Holy Cross.

I think Lafayette and Holy Cross are most similar in that we sometimes can't decide if we are a football or basketball school. I still think Lafayette is more football than basketball, but a winning basketball program can overtake a losing FB program at Lafayette.

Bucknell is basketball all the way.

Lehigh and Colgate football. (and of course wrestling and hockey)

Lafayette and Holy Cross can go either way

Fordham wishes they were a basketball school, but have now rallied behind winning football (as they should)

Army & Navy football by a mile

Boston & Loyola..who cares

[Sader87]

Holy Cross is basically a basketball school....or it is for people either 45+ or the grads that were there during Ralph Willard's years as coach.

ND and BC are probably the only the Catholic schools in the country where basketball is not the primary sport.

[Go Green]

and Navy and they're nothing to write home about imo



You're a tough guy to impress. Navy had one of the nicest arenas I've ever seen (granted, about 10 years ago).

It was definitely the cleanest arena I've ever seen. :)

[Sader87]

Navy does a fantastic job at "game-day experience" as well. Watched the HC@Navy game this past Saturday online....was very impressed by the contests, PA system, video board antics etc etc to engage the crowd during time-outs, half-time etc.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

You're a tough guy to impress. Navy had one of the nicest arenas I've ever seen (granted, about 10 years ago).

It was definitely the cleanest arena I've ever seen. :)

Navy has the nicest arena in the league. I was basing my comments on the fact that Alumni Hall still lags behind the best venues in other conferences imo. BTW, it's 23 years old....

[Sader87]

Trying to remember the gym Navy played in before (pre-PL, David Robinson era)....

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Agreed....my bad. Lafayette had probably the best pre-PL "basketball history" beside HC (not including Fordham who has since left) when the league was formed.

American: decent support, but often an after-thought to GW and GTown in DC
Army: it's just different at SA's, Bob Knight and Coach K notwithstanding
BU: hockey
CU: see BU
Lehigh: rasslin'
Loyola: somewhat, but lax is probably their primary sport
Navy: see Army

Colgate: hockey

Colgate's Starr Rink is super cool! It's easily my favorite venue at Colgate....

[ngineer]

For 'ambiance', Grace Hall at Lehigh is the proverbial 'snake pit' in college wrestling, so nicknamed by Penn Staters. The old basketball floor was probably a bit 'short' with the baseline within a couple feet of the wall. For overall reputation, Lafayette was known for many years for their basketball teams, especially in the 1960's and '70s with Tripuka and VBK (who had two tours of duty I believe).

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Ok, I will give you St. Bonny, but the MAAC has small time gyms.

They do outside of Fairfield and Siena. TD Sports Center at Quinnipiac is very similar to Sojka.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

On the Loose? John headed to West Point?

[Go...gate]

Lafayette reduced their capacity by almost 1,500. used to seat around 4,000. Went from wooden bleachers to more comfortable seats.

Same thing happened at Cotterell Court. The "official" capacity is 3,000, but I'm thinking 1,500 - 1750 tops. Not that Colgate needs any more...

[Franks Tanks]

On the Loose? John headed to West Point?

That is the rumor, but they already have a DC. I think he was offered a job as the LB's coach. He was a position coach at West Point 14 years ago, and came to Lafayette when the HC at Army got fired. He will be taking the same job he held over a decade ago.

[Go Green]

American: decent support, but often an after-thought to GW and GTown in DC



As well as to Maryland and George Mason.

[Sader87]

HC hires a Bucknell assistant to be the Purples new DC....

http://www.bucknellbison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=32100&ATCLID=209045438

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

It's Official

Lafayette DC is heading to Army to be their LB coach....

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/lafayette/index.ssf/2014/01/lafayette_college_defensive_co.html

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

HC hires a Bucknell assistant to be the Purples new DC....

http://www.bucknellbison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=32100&ATCLID=209045438

The coaching carousel is ramped up this year in the PL. This is the most active year I remember....

[Franks Tanks]

I would love to see Mark Reardon come back to Lafayette, but I don't think that is in the card. Maybe Frank will give McFadden a chance. He has done a good job with the DB's and special teams.

[Go...gate]

It makes sense. Loose is an awfully good coach and a link to Army's last period of success (he was Assistant on the 1996 10-2 Army club which was undefeated and in the Top 25 for a while that year, losing only to Syracuse and in a bowl game. Army also held their own with USNA and USAFA in that period.

[carney2]

It makes sense. Loose is an awfully good coach and a link to Army's last period of success (he was Assistant on the 1996 10-2 Army club which was undefeated and in the Top 25 for a while that year, losing only to Syracuse and in a bowl game. Army also held their own with USNA and USAFA in that period.

No it doesn't (make sense). From position coach at Army to DC at Lafayette for 14 years, and then back to position coach at Army? Get real. It's like he took 14 years of his life and threw it away. We will most likely never know, but there's something going on here. A blowout with Tavani? A gentle shove by Tavani because Loose has never been able to solve the Colgate two back run-read option? A stumbling block on Lafayette support for Loose's charity, Lauren's First and Goal? A promise by Army of something more? On the surface this makes NO sense even with a pay increase.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Why are Kelly and Loose making these big decisions a week before signing day?

In the last two weeks I've seen two head coaches (Kelly and Drew Folmar) accept coordinator positions in "higher level" programs, and now I've seen Loose resign as DC for Lafayette to become Army's position coach. I'm very confused, but one thing I know for sure is that it's not about pay.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

No it doesn't (make sense). From position coach at Army to DC at Lafayette for 14 years, and then back to position coach at Army? Get real. It's like he took 14 years of his life and threw it away. We will most likely never know, but there's something going on here. A blowout with Tavani? A gentle shove by Tavani because Loose has never been able to solve the Colgate two back run-read option? A stumbling block on Lafayette support for Loose's charity, Lauren's First and Goal? A promise by Army of something more? On the surface this makes NO sense even with a pay increase.

Koltuski, I believe, followed a similar path to the DC job at Vanderbilt.

[Bill]

Why are Kelly and Loose making these big decisions a week before signing day?

In the last two weeks I've seen two head coaches (Kelly and Drew Folmar) accept coordinator positions in "higher level" programs, and now I've seen Loose resign as DC for Lafayette to become Army's position coach. I'm very confused, but one thing I know for sure is that it's not about pay.

LFN - fair enough about Loose, but don't you think the DC at Ball State makes more than the HC at G-town (or any PL, for that matter)?

[CFBfan]

That is the rumor, but they already have a DC. I think he was offered a job as the LB's coach. He was a position coach at West Point 14 years ago, and came to Lafayette when the HC at Army got fired. He will be taking the same job he held over a decade ago.

Who is new DC? this confirms Loose at LB: http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/lafayette/index.ssf/2014/01/lafayette_college_defensive_co.html

[Bill]

CFB - not trying to be a wise-ass, but where does it read that Loose will be the DC?

[CFBfan]

CFB - not trying to be a wise-ass, but where does it read that Loose will be the DC?


Who is new DC? this confirms Loose at LB: http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/lafa...ensive_co.html (http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/lafayette/index.ssf/2014/01/lafayette_college_defensive_co.html)

I don't think I said DC Bill, I said LB

[Lehigh Football Nation]

LFN - fair enough about Loose, but don't you think the DC at Ball State makes more than the HC at G-town (or any PL, for that matter)?

It's not so much the move as it is the timing.

Taking Kotulski's move to Stanford, that was night and day different in that it happened at least three weeks after Lehigh announced their incoming class. All of these moves are happening in what's supposed to be the busiest recruiting part of the year.

[Franks Tanks]

CFB - not trying to be a wise-ass, but where does it read that Loose will be the DC?

Funny how this works. The old Ball State DC left to become the DC at Army, and Kelly moved to fill his position. I saw it reported that the guy who left Ball State was making $126k, and Army was giving him a raise (amount not shared). The prior HC at Army was one of the lowest paid head coaches in FBS. Army hasn't paid their coaches a ton of money traditionally, but they have new leadership there and may be opening up the check book.

You could tell Kelly was very frustrated with the Georgetown admin this year. I believe he made a few comments during the year about competing without scholarships. I think he had enough. Also I don't know if he is getting a big raise, but $125k or so goes much further in Muncie. I saw that former Lafayette coach John Strollo is also at Ball State. It is a PL party over there

[Gater]

It's pretty clear what's happening. Ball St. is playing Colgate next year. Ball St. made this game a priority years ago and are doing everything they can to win it. First they hire Lembo (Lehigh), then they bring in special teams coach Justin Lustig (went to Bucknell), D Backs coach Shannon Morrison (coached at Lehigh), Kelly from Georgetown--the list goes on and on. Wouldn't surprise me if Gilmore and Tavani are on the staff before the year starts. It obviously says a lot about Colgate football but I hope they remember that there are other teams on the schedule.

[ngineer]

Koltuski, I believe, followed a similar path to the DC job at Vanderbilt.

??Koltulski was LB coach at Stanford and became DC at Vanderbilt. How is that similar? His path has been ascending. DC at FCS Lehigh, to position coach at premier FBS school, to DC at an up and coming FBS school.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

??Koltulski was LB coach at Stanford and became DC at Vanderbilt. How is that similar? His path has been ascending. DC at FCS Lehigh, to position coach at premier FBS school, to DC at an up and coming FBS school.

Loose is going from FCS DC to FBS LB coach just as Koltulski did. The quality of program is obviously relative. Even so, if Army becomes decent on defense Loose will get a look like Koltulski.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Ball State to the PL???? xcoolx

[LehighU11]

Ball State to the PL???? xcoolx

Just like Monmouth, Ball State would fit in the PL footprint perfectly. I'm all for poaching half of the MAC to get the PL to 14.

[Go...gate]

Ball State to the PL???? xcoolx

Exactly. I still think the University of Havana should be admitted, as well. We need a warm-weather spot to play late-season games. Viva de Revolucion!

[ngineer]

Would love to see us start playing MAC schools in near future.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Would love to see us start playing MAC schools in near future.

Akron, Kent State, Buffalo and UMass would be great opponents in the future!

[Sader87]

I have zero desire to play MAC schools...with the exception of UMass and Miami(OH).

[Bogus Megapardus]

It has its own thread, but clearly pertinent to this one:

UNH Outlines Plan for New Athletic Complex


http://cdn87.psbin.com/img/mw=400/cr=n/d=0a9b4/6w4po4df65zg0qzr.jpg

http://unhwildcats.com/releases/athleticcomplex

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Wait til Lafayette finally gets to play the Wildcats in their new stadium in the playoffs! :P

[Bogus Megapardus]

Wait til Lafayette finally gets to play the Wildcats in their new stadium in the playoffs! :P

It'll be in Easton next time! :)xrotatehxxnodx

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

It'll be in Easton next time! :)xrotatehxxnodx

Will you be personally ensuring that your AD submits a bid? xcoffeex :D

[Bogus Megapardus]

Will you be personally ensuring that your AD submits a bid? xcoffeex :D

No need. We plan to be seeded and play a second round game at home. xnodx . . . xconfusedx . . . :( . . . xsmhx

[Pard4Life]

Pretty nice... looks like Richmond's stadium.

[carney2]

It has its own thread, but clearly pertinent to this one:

UNH Outlines Plan for New Athletic Complex

http://cdn87.psbin.com/img/mw=400/cr=n/d=0a9b4/6w4po4df65zg0qzr.jpg

http://unhwildcats.com/releases/athleticcomplex

Can't tell from the drawing, but I assume there are stands on the other side. Also, no mention of capacity. Any ideas?

[Bogus Megapardus]

Can't tell from the drawing, but I assume there are stands on the other side. Also, no mention of capacity. Any ideas?

The release says "more than 10,000."

[Bill]

The most important question is - will this thread still be going by the time that facility opens? :)xrotatehx

[Pards Rule]

The most important question is - will this thread still be going by the time that facility opens? :)xrotatehx

If we can help it!!

[Go...gate]

The most important question is - will this thread still be going by the time that facility opens? :)xrotatehx

Absolutely.

[Gordon Shumway]

Can't tell from the drawing, but I assume there are stands on the other side. Also, no mention of capacity. Any ideas?

That picture is of the west side where there are currently just some bleachers for the visitors side. The east side (not shown) has the current permanent seating, and that side will become the visitors side when this is complete. With some south end zone bleachers I'm guessing something around a 12,500 max.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Perusing attendance data posted by UAalum:

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/2013/Attendance.pdf

Gettysburg football outdraws Bucknell. Ouch.

[CFBfan]

Broncos or Seahawks?

[ngineer]

Broncos or Seahawks?

Rooting for Bronco's but my money would be on Seahawks. Better balance.

[Sader87]

Should be a good game....which probably means it won't be....just feel that it's "Peyton's Year"...Broncos 27-24

[Pard4Life]

Broncos or Seahawks?

Don't know about anyone else, but this has been the most annoying, in-your-face Super Bowl ever.

Thank you, New York... er, New Jersey..

[Bogus Megapardus]

Broncos. I'm not a Pete Carroll fan.

[Neighbor2]

The BIG game will hit the New York Area in November. :)

til then . . . Go Broncos!

[Go...gate]

Perusing attendance data posted by UAalum:

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/2013/Attendance.pdf

Gettysburg football outdraws Bucknell. Ouch.

It is a damn shame that Gettysburg is not in Division I. A better fit for the Patriot League than Loyola, American, BU or Fordham.

[DFW HOYA]

Gettysburg football outdraws Bucknell. Ouch.

Not in 2013. Bullets drew 2,196 a game....

http://www.gettysburgsports.com/custompages/football/2013/teamcume.htm


...Bison drew 3,526.

http://www.nmnathletics.com/ViewContent.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=32100&CONTENT_ID=808404

[carney2]

Annotated 2012 average attendance for Patriot League home games:

Lafayette 8,826 - It helps to have that Lafayette-Lehigh sellout on your home schedule.

Holy Cross 7,671 - Surprised the heck out of me that a 2-9 team could do this.

Lehigh 7,206 - 10-1 against a really bad (as in crappy) schedule. As sader87 might say, "We used to pack the place."

Fordham 4,463 - Not so bad I guess for a one-sided field that seats 7,000.

Colgate 3,704 - You can't get there from here, and after about mid-October, you don't want to.

Bucknell 3,135 - Basketball scrimmages at halftime are the only hope here.

Georgetown 2,410 - Perspective, folks, perspective. The place only seats around 2,500. We're talking near sellouts.

[Pard4Life]

c2, if you remove the Lehigh game attendance, we may still top Lehigh in average... we did one year at least.

[Sader87]

Annotated 2012 average attendance for Patriot League home games:

Lafayette 8,826 - It helps to have that Lafayette-Lehigh sellout on your home schedule.

Holy Cross 7,671 - Surprised the heck out of me that a 2-9 team could do this.

Lehigh 7,206 - 10-1 against a really bad (as in crappy) schedule. As sader87 might say, "We used to pack the place."

Fordham 4,463 - Not so bad I guess for a one-sided field that seats 7,000.

Colgate 3,704 - You can't get there from here, and after about mid-October, you don't want to.

Bucknell 3,135 - Basketball scrimmages at halftime are the only hope here.

Georgetown 2,410 - Perspective, folks, perspective. The place only seats around 2,500. We're talking near sellouts.

HC draws pretty well for 3 games regardless of team record: the new (this will be the 4th this year) night game, which has been mostly against a good local opponent....that year it was UNH. The Homecoming game, this is the only game most alums will attend during the year, and the Family Weekend game which adds Mom, Dad and siblings to the attendance rolls.

All 3 are usually 10K+ these days whereas the other games, especially in a down year, are more in the 3-5K range.

If HC can get some momentum with scholarships, I could see them regularly drawing 10K+ as Fitton Field is pretty accessible for tailgating, relatively cheap and a very good stadium to actually watch a game with its close sightlines.

[Sader87]

Dangerously, dangerously close to leaving Page 1....you're welcome.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Dangerously, dangerously close to leaving Page 1....you're welcome.

Much obliged.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Looks like Lafayette has a brand-new fan that will be ready when UNH and Lafayette line up on the gridiron!

http://binaryapi.ap.org/e3d31fdb412043cea059c3dc1bbd5144/460x.jpg

Can Kim Jong-Un be far behind on the bandwagon? xlolx

[Bogus Megapardus]

This, of course, is the Official Lafayette vs. New Hampshire Signing Day Thread. All interim substitutions for the game may be noted here.

[ngineer]

Looks like Lafayette has a brand-new fan that will be ready when UNH and Lafayette line up on the gridiron!

http://binaryapi.ap.org/e3d31fdb412043cea059c3dc1bbd5144/460x.jpg

Can Kim Jong-Un be far behind on the bandwagon? xlolx

Dennis Rodman on the sidelines this fall!

[Bogus Megapardus]

Dennis Rodman on the sidelines this fall!

Yep.




http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln4a6dpgzQ1qipk8io1_500.jpg

[ngineer]

Yep.



http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln4a6dpgzQ1qipk8io1_500.jpg


Love it! I recall seeing that 'do' back then. Notice he never knew his part...(;-)

[Go...gate]

This, of course, is the Official Lafayette vs. New Hampshire Signing Day Thread. All interim substitutions for the game may be noted here.

Indeed.

[Bogus Megapardus]

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Discuss.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Uppity Yankees. And yes, I can say that because I'm from there.

Oddly enough the western end of that land claim would also end up being an issue between the states of Michigan and Ohio hundreds of years later, such bad will that it's cited occasionally as the bad will that helped make the Michigan/Ohio State rivalry a big thing in college athletics.

As for Lehigh and Lafayette, the Wyoming Valley is where the Lehigh Valley settlers forced the Lenape, where they ran into the CT settlers.

[Bogus Megapardus]

I believe that if you draw the upper border of the Western Reserve through to the Pacific it coextends with the northern border of California. That became the southern border of the "Fifty Four Forty or Fight" battle for the Oregon Territories, if my fading memory serves me correctly.

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

Uppity Yankees. And yes, I can say that because I'm from there.

Oddly enough the western end of that land claim would also end up being an issue between the states of Michigan and Ohio hundreds of years later, such bad will that it's cited occasionally as the bad will that helped make the Michigan/Ohio State rivalry a big thing in college athletics.

As for Lehigh and Lafayette, the Wyoming Valley is where the Lehigh Valley settlers forced the Lenape, where they ran into the CT settlers.

Yep, led to the Battle for Toledo fighting for the Maumee River access to Lake Erie. The Michiganders were called Wolverines by their Ohio counterparts and a nickname as well as a great college rivalry was born. Unlike the Pennamite Wars between CT and PA, there were no casualties in the Battle for Toledo. Ohio was a state at the time, Michigan a territory which gave Ohio more power in Congress. They were ceded the land north of the Maumee River and Michigan was given the Upper Peninsula as compensation. Wisconsin wasn't a state either and had no say in the matter.

[Bogus Megapardus]

The obvious point being, of course, is if the denizens of Forty Fort had shown the least bit of fortitude, Laramie, Wyoming today would be in Connecticut.

Draw what conclusions you will from there.

[Bogus Megapardus]

I've read a few articles this morning from my Google search of the Pennamite Wars and I've yet to see the Lenape mentioned. I'll keep reading. Saw one reference to nobody settling into the area until the Native Americans were no longer a "threat".

FWIW, I learned about the Pennamite Wars when I purchased and read the book "Shapes of our States" after seeing the original show on the History Channel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teedyuscung


Teedyuscung left the Moravian settlement in 1754 and settled farther north in the Wyoming Valley.[2] It was while living among other displaced Indians that Teedyuscung would declare himself "King of the Delawares" and assume a vital role in the negotiations between the Natives of Pennsylvania and the colonial government inPhiladelphia.[3]

Teedyuscung encountered opposition in the talks at Easton and in the period following the talks with the family of William Penn and the Iroquois Confederacy that he claimed to "represent" in the negotiations.[3] The powerful Iroquois Confederacy claimed the Wyoming Valley and that the Lenape simply lived there with its permission. A combination of competing interests lead to the eventual demise of Teedyuscung and his settlement at Wyolutimunk.[1]

The Colonies of Virginia and Connecticut settled lands in Pennsylvania that were part of their charters.[1]The competing interests of the Iroquois, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, and Virginia did not allow Teedyuscung and his people to live in the peace that was promised.[1]
Teedyuscung was a casualty of the peace that brought about the end of the French and Indian War in Pennsylvania. The colonists agreed to pull back from settlements in the Ohio country in exchange for peace east of the Appalachians. The Iroquois refused to grant a permanent home for Teedyuscung and his people in the Wyoming Valley.[1] The promised investigation into the Walking Purchase was passed from the colonial government in Philadelphia to the British government in London where it was eventually dropped. Teedyuscung was left unsupported and unprotected. On April 19, 1763 his cabin and the village of Wyolutimunk was burned to the ground byarsonists. Teedyuscung was asleep in his cabin at the time and perished in the blaze.[1] The residents of Wyolutimunk fled and settlers from the Susquehanna Company of Connecticut soon took their place. Teedyuscung's dream of a Lenape home in the Wyoming Valley ended with his death.[1]

I don't think Wikipedia has that Iroquois part right. They were pissed, but they had to begrudgingly call the Lenape their own tribe. But obviously there were a lot of competing interests for that territory, and not only the CT settlers and PA settlers.

But not all the Lenape were dissapated.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

But not all the Lenape were dissapated.

Some were most definitely assimilated in English/Western Culture, most notably the Lenape translator Tatamy, who was the first Native American land-owner in the New World.

He owned land close to Easton, and he has a town named after him today.

[Bogus Megapardus]

"Lehigh Football Nation has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space."

LFN - Clear your PMs!

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Done. Sorry!!

[ngineer]

Was in the great metropolis of Tatamy today getting birdseed at the Northampton Farm Bureau. A thriving burgh of 900+ people.

[ngineer]

The obvious point being, of course, is if the denizens of Forty Fort had shown the least bit of fortitude, Laramie, Wyoming today would be in Connecticut.

Draw what conclusions you will from there.

I believe the home of new Lehigh QB recruit Baur, whose Uncle Frank had a fair amount of success while being a pussy at the same time. (;-)

Whenever I go to court up in Luzerne County, and if I have the time and the weather is cooperative, I take "Sullivan's Trail" over Bear Mountain which traces the General's march against the Indians. A very pretty drive. The Lenape decendants are still quite prevalent in our area. My wife's maternal great, great grandmother was a Delware and the beautiful "Indian Eyes" have been passed to my daughter and granddaughters!

[Bogus Megapardus]

Done.



http://www.anygivensaturday.com/customavatars/avatar161_17.gif <<<< Hah! More where that came from! Trust me . . . .

[Sader87]

18845

Just because....

[Bogus Megapardus]

Just because....





http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/5901/ae3m.png


Best player in the PL.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Two teams frighten the tar out of me come tournament time: Cross and Army. Everyone else, not so much.

[Sader87]

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/5901/ae3m.png




Best player in the PL.

Thanks for embiggening that pic Bogey...I suck at this stuff lol. That's actually Taylor Abt, not Dudzinski, in that pic btw.

[Franks Tanks]

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/5901/ae3m.png




Best player in the PL.

What is that young man from Holy Cross doing? I can't recall a Lafayette basketball player performing such a motion on the court in about a decade.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I watched a bit of the HC-BU game yesterday, HC was impressive in the second half. The PL looks pretty wide open. Lehigh appears to be capable of making a run too...

On a side note, while it's nice to be able to watch PL hoops, the visuals are terrible. The Hart Center looks like something out of the Soviet Union circa 1964. It's a quaint venue complete with wooden bleachers, pastel paint and dated electronics. I had the game on at work and my co-workers were laughing at me. The main reason? It had the aesthetics of a Turkish League game. Then there was the game last Monday from Cotterell, yikes.

[RichH2]

I watched a bit of the HC-BU game yesterday, HC was impressive in the second half. The PL looks pretty wide open. Lehigh appears to be capable of making a run too...

On a side note, while it's nice to be able to watch PL hoops, the visuals are terrible. The Hart Center looks like something out of the Soviet Union circa 1964. It's a quaint venue complete with wooden bleachers, pastel paint and dated electronics. I had the game on at work and my co-workers were laughing at me. The main reason? It had the aesthetics of a Turkish League game. Then there was the game last Monday from Cotterell, yikes.

No,no owl. They have historic ambience.xsmiley_wix That's our storyxsmugx

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

No,no owl. They have historic ambience.xsmiley_wix That's our storyxsmugx

The University of Houston must follow the PL's line of thinking. Not only did I have to suffer through another Temple loss yesterday, I was forced to look at this place for 2 hours. It's uglier than the Hart Center...

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/9a/5b/7d/9a5b7d865896feb30b6cca1776b1ac6d.jpg

[Sader87]

Now, now...the Hart Center has its warts but it is a tremendous gym to actually watch a game (particularly with a big crowd). Fr. Hart S.J. btw was a tremendous guy. He was at HC for decades, long the head of intramurals...wrote letters to my Dad when he was in the military keeping him abreast of HC goings in the late 40s and was still at HC when I matriculated in the 80s. We were lucky to have such a man at HC and naming the facility after him was the least we could do.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Thanks for embiggening that pic Bogey...I suck at this stuff lol. That's actually Taylor Abt, not Dudzinski, in that pic btw.

LOL . . . I thought it was Dudz. My bad.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Now, now...the Hart Center has its warts but it is a tremendous gym to actually watch a game (particularly with a big crowd). Fr. Hart S.J. btw was a tremendous guy. He was at HC for decades, long the head of intramurals...wrote letters to my Dad when he was in the military keeping him abreast of HC goings in the late 40s and was still at HC when I matriculated in the 80s. We were lucky to have such a man at HC and naming the facility after him was the least we could do.

The Hart Center is quite good and Holy Cross also has the DCU Arena when needed. The Crusaders are all set.

[Sader87]

LOL . . . I thought it was Dudz. My bad.

All those white guys in the Patriot League look alike xlolxxrotatehxxlolxxrotatehx......

[Sader87]

Really starting to wonder if the Pards and Wildcat faithful want this thread to go by the wayside......

[carney2]

Really starting to wonder if the Pards and Wildcat faithful want this thread to go by the wayside......

The UNH crowd kissed this off two months ago. This has, by default, become the Patriot League's grump of the moment thread. The rest of AGS loves it. Hijackings are at an all time low.

[RichH2]

Gee, nothing to grump about.xconfusedx We( no not Hoyas) all had the best recruiting classes in recorded historyxsmugx. Oh well,Patsys coming, we can all yell at LFN.:D

[Go...gate]

The University of Houston must follow the PL's line of thinking. Not only did I have to suffer through another Temple loss yesterday, I was forced to look at this place for 2 hours. It's uglier than the Hart Center...

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/9a/5b/7d/9a5b7d865896feb30b6cca1776b1ac6d.jpg

Is this the Hofheinz Pavilion?

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Is this the Hofheinz Pavilion?

It is....

[ngineer]

Is this the Hofheinz Pavilion?

Named after Judge Hofheinz?

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Lafayette hoops pulled a pretty big upset over Holy Cross tonight in Worcester...

Boston U. beat American to take sole possession of first in the league....

[RichH2]

and Lehigh beat Navy for the9th consecutive time

[Go...gate]

And Colgate lost to Army.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I am truly astounded at the parity in Patriot League men's hoops this season. Six games separate the W/L records of 2 through 10, and to me BosU seems like a very beatable No. 1 seed (assuming they win out, which isn't a guarantee).

I am going out on a limb and saying that Holy Cross will win the tournament this year, even though they sit at No. 3. They're the best team I've seen this year in the PL. Dudzy and Burrell are great PL athletes and they provide a stone cold inside/outside game that will be really difficult to beat in the tournament.

To show how much parity there is, Lafayette (9-17, 5-10) beat Holy Cross (16-11, 10-5) last night. In Worcester.

[Sader87]

Way to jinx us LFN :)

We seemingly, will nevah, evah beat the Pards at the Hart Recreational Center evah again.

Agree on the parity of the league...there areprobably 6 teams that have the potential to win the PLT.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Way to jinx us LFN :)

We seemingly, will nevah, evah beat the Pards at the Hart Recreational Center evah again.

Agree on the parity of the league...there areprobably 6 teams that have the potential to win the PLT.

Lehigh could be one of those teams... but if they're going to be that team they're going to have to show more consistency down the stretch in order to do it. The 2013-2014 Hawks are one of the most agonizing combinations of periods of brilliant play coupled with bonehead plays/long stretches of blah play I've seen. If they could up the percentage of "brilliant play" they could beat anybody.

[carney2]

1 thru 10 in Patriot League hoops at the moment. A * means they could win the tournament.

Metropolitan Open Admissions College a/k/a Boston University - The odds on favorite. *
American - Fading fast. Gang up on Wroblicky and they can be had. *
Holy Cross - Playing well, despite last night. *
Army - The muscle game doesn't work against everyone.
Bucknell - Not what we've come to expect.
Lehigh - Could win if their inside game goes on a roll. *
Lafayette - The bottom feeder that no one wants to play right now. *
Loyola - Not a prayer.
Navy - See Loyola.
Colgate - Should be better than dead last, but see Loyola.

[Sader87]

Essentially agree, though I think Army has the potential to win 3 games in March as well.

[ngineer]

Lehigh could be one of those teams... but if they're going to be that team they're going to have to show more consistency down the stretch in order to do it. The 2013-2014 Hawks are one of the most agonizing combinations of periods of brilliant play coupled with bonehead plays/long stretches of blah play I've seen. If they could up the percentage of "brilliant play" they could beat anybody.

All true, but that is what you get with an extremely young team. Heck we're starting three freshmen. If this group can stick together we could have an excellent run over then next three years.

[ngineer]

1 thru 10 in Patriot League hoops at the moment. A * means they could win the tournament.

Metropolitan Open Admissions College a/k/a Boston University - The odds on favorite. *
American - Fading fast. Gang up on Wroblicky and they can be had. *
Holy Cross - Playing well, despite last night. *
Army - The muscle game doesn't work against everyone.
Bucknell - Not what we've come to expect.
Lehigh - Could win if their inside game goes on a roll. *
Lafayette - The bottom feeder that no one wants to play right now. *
Loyola - Not a prayer.
Navy - See Loyola.
Colgate - Should be better than dead last, but see Loyola.

Agreed. If Hinrich stays healthy, 'pards can beat anyone.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Agreed. If Hinrich stays healthy, 'pards can beat anyone.


. . . except Metropolitan College. We just don't have the combination of speed and inside presence to defend them. We can only hope that someone else takes them out first.

Speaking of basketball, what the heck happened to Holy Cross hockey this season? Not what most have come to expect. Did the early win over Boston College essentially cap the season for the Crusaders?

[Sader87]

. . . except Metropolitan College. We just don't have the combination of speed and inside presence to defend them. We can only hope that someone else takes them out first.

Speaking of basketball, what the heck happened to Holy Cross hockey this season? Not what most have come to expect. Did the early win over Boston College essentially cap the season for the Crusaders?

Pretty much....but how sweet it was xnodx

[Bogus Megapardus]

Unconfirmed rumor - New Hampshire's LB coach Art Link (http://unhwildcats.com/sports/fball/coaches/art_link) will become Lafayette's new Defensive Coordinator - per the Lafayette Board.

coachingsearch.com (http://coachingsearch.247sports.com/Article/Coaching-Transactions-Coaching-Search-Ticker-176590)

[Bill]

Bogie....actual news on this thread pertaining to both Lafayette and UNH??? Wow :)

[citdog]

Bogie....actual news on this thread pertaining to both Lafayette and UNH??? Wow :)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eslz06J9hFw

[Bogus Megapardus]

Bogie....actual news on this thread pertaining to both Lafayette and UNH??? Wow :)

Serendipiting?

[RichH2]

xeyebrowx I think we really should start a new thread on Pard's new DC, as it is much too relevant to the title of this thread.xcoffeex

[Go...gate]

Colgate over Loyola this afternoon....

[Gater]

Good to see my Colgate brother getting this thread back on topic.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Good to see my Colgate brother getting this thread back on topic.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/35986630.jpg

[Bogus Megapardus]

Colgate over Loyola this afternoon....

Pards over Gate in lax this afternoon. Hell hath indeed frozen over. xnodx

[Lehigh'98]

Since this thread is a complete free for all, I suppose it's a good place to say I just found out I will be a father in 8 months. Hopefully coinciding with the 150th game and route of Lafayette!!

[Sader87]

Congrats '98 xnodx

[Lehigh'98]

Thank you Sader.... You guys are looking good in hoops, my pick to go to the tourney..

[citdog]

Since this thread is a complete free for all, I suppose it's a good place to say I just found out I will be a father in 8 months. Hopefully coinciding with the 150th game and route of Lafayette!!


congrats on losing your virginity!

[Lehigh'98]

Thanks Cit, only 36 yrs. it's tough for O lineman, we don't get the ladies like u soccer boys do!!

[ngineer]

Since this thread is a complete free for all, I suppose it's a good place to say I just found out I will be a father in 8 months. Hopefully coinciding with the 150th game and route of Lafayette!!

Have the delivery at the game...would be appropriate at "Yanky" stadium!

[RichH2]

Congrats 98
Gonna be a busy month my son and daughter in law and my othe
daughter,his twin, are both expecting that month. Lehigh keeps growing

[Go...gate]

Since this thread is a complete free for all, I suppose it's a good place to say I just found out I will be a father in 8 months. Hopefully coinciding with the 150th game and route of Lafayette!!

Congratulations!

[Franks Tanks]

Here comes an actual post with relevance to UNH and Lafayette. Word is that UNH LB coach Art Link will be the 'Pards new DC.

UNH runs the 4-2-5 base scheme, but coach Link has only been with UNH for 2 years and it is not clear if that is his preferred scheme.

[CFBfan]

Here comes an actual post with relevance to UNH and Lafayette. Word is that UNH LB coach Art Link will be the 'Pards new DC.

UNH runs the 4-2-5 base scheme, but coach Link has only been with UNH for 2 years and it is not clear if that is his preferred scheme.

teams in the PL with a line and RB will have a cake walk against that D

[Franks Tanks]

teams in the PL with a line and RB will have a cake walk against that D

Nobody would run that D if it were so simple. No idea if Art Link will even bring the 4-2-5 to Easton. He was the DC at Campbell, but I don't know what he ran there.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I think there should be an investigation as to how Lafayette signs such a key member of UNH's coaching staff on the eve of their playoff game.

[CFBfan]

Nobody would run that D if it were so simple. No idea if Art Link will even bring the 4-2-5 to Easton. He was the DC at Campbell, but I don't know what he ran there.

are you / LC fans happy to see the change?

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Since this thread is a complete free for all, I suppose it's a good place to say I just found out I will be a father in 8 months. Hopefully coinciding with the 150th game and route of Lafayette!!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Lehigh'98 again.

Congratulations!!!

[Bill]

By the way guys - am I having some browser problems...or did the interface change?

I used to have a "like"..."recommend" choices for the posts, but now they are gone. What's up?

[Franks Tanks]

are you / LC fans happy to see the change?

Coach Loose was a very well respected DC. A few years he had defenses that were among the best in the country in several categories. He is also a very good recruiter. With that being said lately his D has seemed to struggle with up tempo offenses. I've heard from many that his D calls and schemes are more complicted than most. At times we've struggled (I believe) making the correct calls in hurry up situations. I am sorry to see Loose go, but it is possible that the new guys can actually improve our Defense.

[RichH2]

Me too. No clue otherwise:)

[carney2]

Since this thread is a complete free for all, I suppose it's a good place to say I just found out I will be a father in 8 months. Hopefully coinciding with the 150th game and route of Lafayette!!

Correct in all that you say. It will be wonderful to spend all of next winter with sleepless nights and repeated trips to the pediatrician. Oh the joy. I'm glad it's yours. Congrats. We all have to go through it to get to the good part. And then they become teenagers,...

And the route of Lafayette will once again be over and through the hated ChickenSquawks as the Pards once again rout the hated brownslime. If it's brown flush it down.

[carney2]

teams in the PL with a line and RB will have a cake walk against that D

No way Link runs a 4-2-5. With what he has coming back in the DL he may have to settle for a 2-5-4.

[ngineer]

By the way guys - am I having some browser problems...or did the interface change?

I used to have a "like"..."recommend" choices for the posts, but now they are gone. What's up?

I've noted the missing 'links' as well. You could pm Ursus and see what's up.

[Franks Tanks]

No way Link runs a 4-2-5. With what he has coming back in the DL he may have to settle for a 2-5-4.

Well done as always, but I will say that our D-line is in better shape than it has been in many years. We return all league DT Mercado, and the reliable DE James Coscia. Andy Labudev started last year as a true freshman before bing injured and will be back at DT. Rothrock and Albershart are ready to shine at DE, and we also have White who is able to come in as a situational pass rusher. Former DE starter Dorner is back from injury and Cepeda is big. DL may actually be a stregth for the Pards!

[carney2]

Well done as always, but I will say that our D-line is in better shape than it has been in many years. We return all league DT Mercado, and the reliable DE James Coscia. Andy Labudev started last year as a true freshman before bing injured and will be back at DT. Rothrock and Albershart are ready to shine at DE, and we also have White who is able to come in as a situational pass rusher. Former DE starter Dorner is back from injury and Cepeda is big. DL may actually be a stregth for the Pards!

I hope you are right. Excluding the new recruits, the Pards have 12 returning D-linemen. Of those 12, only about 4 or 5 are truly big enough to play in the middle of that line scrum. Of those, only Mercado and Cepeda are names that I recognize. That's a pretty thin margin for error. Most seem to agree that Tavani's only whiff in this year's recruiting class was run stuffing defensive linemen.

[carney2]

Coach Loose was a very well respected DC. A few years he had defenses that were among the best in the country in several categories. He is also a very good recruiter. With that being said lately his D has seemed to struggle with up tempo offenses. I've heard from many that his D calls and schemes are more complicted than most. At times we've struggled (I believe) making the correct calls in hurry up situations. I am sorry to see Loose go, but it is possible that the new guys can actually improve our Defense.

Not wanting to join a chorus of speaking ill of the dearly departed, but, as Franks hints, the Lafayette defense is probably in need of some new blood. In addition to the points that Franks makes, the defense has been completely ineffective against that two back run-read offense that Colgate runs. Last year the Pards got burned by it twice - vs. Colgate of course (it has become a tradition), and against Sacred Heart who runs a Biddle-lite version. Personally, I like the hire if it's a fact (not official yet as far as I know). Link is young and appears ambitious and upwardly mobile. This is the kind of coach that programs like Lafayette need - a guy who is determined to do well and move on. Let's face it, folks, Patriot League schools are not the places where young coaches move in to settle down for life in their dream jobs. If handled well by the folks in charge of doing the hiring, this can be a benefit and not a drawback.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Colgate is the 7th snowiest college in the country accoriding to The Weather Channel.
http://www.weather.com/news/americas-25-snowiest-college-and-universities-20140225?pageno=20

Holy Cross #13
http://www.weather.com/news/americas-25-snowiest-college-and-universities-20140225?pageno=14

UNH is #22
http://www.weather.com/news/americas-25-snowiest-college-and-universities-20140225?pageno=5

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

When I saw some other FCS schools in the list, I was wondering why you didn't include them. Then I remembered what thread I was in!!! xlolx Albany and Maine are other CAA schools in the list.

[Bill]

Colgate is the 7th snowiest college in the country accoriding to The Weather Channel.
http://www.weather.com/news/americas-25-snowiest-college-and-universities-20140225?pageno=20

Holy Cross #13
http://www.weather.com/news/americas-25-snowiest-college-and-universities-20140225?pageno=14

UNH is #22
http://www.weather.com/news/americas-25-snowiest-college-and-universities-20140225?pageno=5

Come on, TU Owl - why not just make up a ranking for Lafayette...then we could have had another post actually reference both Lafayette & UNH at the same time :)

[carney2]

UNH linebacker coach Art Link is now confirmed as Lafayette's new defensive coordinator.

http://www.goleopards.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/022614aac.html

[Sader87]

UNH linebacker coach Art Link is now confirmed as Lafayette's new defensive coordinator.

http://www.goleopards.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/022614aac.html

I credit this thread.....

[Mattymc727]

UNH linebacker coach Art Link is now confirmed as Lafayette's new defensive coordinator.

http://www.goleopards.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/022614aac.html

Cool! And we didnt even have to start a new thread to showcase the news!

Great work people!

[Pard4Life]

Cool! And we didnt even have to start a new thread to showcase the news!

Great work people!

Right, we are not Lehigh people, who start threads when it is announced their OC leaves and when another one is hired. And for other ticky-tack news.

This thread clearly motivated Link to come to LC.

[Mattymc727]

Right, we are not Lehigh people, who start threads when it is announced their OC leaves and when another one is hired. And for other ticky-tack news.

This thread clearly motivated Link to come to LC.

Was this link (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?148314-Lafayette-at-New-Hampshire/page144) the link to link?

[ngineer]

Was this link (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?148314-Lafayette-at-New-Hampshire/page144) the link to link?

One wonders whether Laughyette's players will now be saying "the darnedest things" with ol' Art Link (letter). I also wonder if the Leotard program will now 'evolve' from their 'loose' ends to having found their missing 'link'.

It's been a long day and I'm still at the office....I'm entitled...

[Pard4Life]

One wonders whether Laughyette's players will now be saying "the darnedest things" with ol' Art Link (letter). I also wonder if the Leotard program will now 'evolve' from their 'loose' ends to having found their missing 'link'.

It's been a long day and I'm still at the office....I'm entitled...

Where is the tomato-throwing smiley? Eh, this will do... xflaggedx

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Right, we are not Lehigh people, who start threads when it is announced their OC leaves and when another one is hired. And for other ticky-tack news.

This thread clearly motivated Link to come to LC.

Lehigh added two name, both from Massachusetts, to a now complete recruit list...

http://lehighsports.com/news/2014/2/28/FB_0228140354.aspx

[Pard4Life]

Lehigh added two name, both from Massachusetts, to a now complete recruit list...

http://lehighsports.com/news/2014/2/28/FB_0228140354.aspx

This should be it's own thread...

[Sader87]

bump....do I have to do all the heavy lifting here???? xrotatehx

[RichH2]

Yup, Pards are in one their recurring fits of angst,this time over tuition and not one of their teams having a winning record. Guess,they'll be back soon.

[ngineer]

Yup, Pards are in one their recurring fits of angst,this time over tuition and not one of their teams having a winning record. Guess,they'll be back soon.

Hey, their wrestling team hasn't lost a match this year.

[Sader87]

I wish Holy Cross still had wrestling.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXzzTWPPMM4

[citdog]

I wish Holy Cross still had wrestling.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXzzTWPPMM4


that's WRASSLIN'


this is WRESTLING


http://citadelsports.com/sports/wrest/2013-14/photos/0001/SoCon_Award_Winners_2014.jpg

[Sader87]

Both are gayer than gay....:p Not that there's anything wrong with it.......

[RichH2]

:) You're on a roll 87. Thks. Enjoyable morning coffee. Yuo and citdog make a good team.

[Sader87]

Well, officially football season (and to a lesser extent baseball and lax)now....lost to American today, blew a 10 point 2nd H lead.

[Go...gate]

Lacrosse season - Colgate 4-1 after beating Boston U 7-5 yesterday.

[RichH2]

:) Okey Dokey, LU 9-3 over Bucknell.

[Gate83]

Go, it's still hockey season... forget all these sports with round balls!

[ngineer]

that's WRASSLIN'


this is WRESTLING


http://citadelsports.com/sports/wrest/2013-14/photos/0001/SoCon_Award_Winners_2014.jpg

Looks like a nice area 'dog. What kind of attendance does The Citadel get for wrestling? I'll be in Oklahoma City in 10 days for the NCAAs. Hope the SoCon can make some noise.

[Kramer]

Rich,

i tried to private message you, but I received a notice tat your mailbox is full!

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

What's up with the Boston U. women's coach? ESPN said there has been a "history" of abuse. If I was near a computer I'd post the link...

[RichH2]

Rich,

i tried to private message you, but I received a notice tat your mailbox is full!
Fixed :)

[Lehigh'98]

Looks like Lehigh will be minus one more offensive coach this coming season.

[RichH2]

Who?

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

Time to loop back to one of the many earlier topics in this thread. While in Albany for the America East Basketball Tournament this past weekend, I visited CH Evans Brewing at the Albany Pump House. Disappointed they weren't pouring their Irish ales, but the food and brew that I sampled were good.

http://www.evansale.com/history/

[Pard4Life]

I'd rather have hockey than wrestling...

[RichH2]

I'd rather have hockey than wrestling...


Just what Lafayette needs,another sport to post a losing record in.
xconfusedx
xeyebrowx

[Pard4Life]

Just what Lafayette needs,another sport to post a losing record in.
xconfusedx
xeyebrowx

xthumbsupx xsmileyclapx ho-ho-ho! I knew someone was going to say that but posted anyway! Hooray for first-grade humor.

[RichH2]

xthumbsupx xsmileyclapx ho-ho-ho! I knew someone was going to say that but posted anyway! Hooray for first-grade humor.

Not joking P4L. If I were would've used a laughing emoticon.

[Sader87]

I kinda wish we didn't have hockey actually. We actually aren't bad most years (down year this year but we did beat BC which was sweet) but the league we are in, the AHA, is sort of meh and in general it probably takes away resources, energy etc that would be better spent/used on football and basketball.

[Go...gate]

I kinda wish we didn't have hockey actually. We actually aren't bad most years (down year this year but we did beat BC which was sweet) but the league we are in, the AHA, is sort of meh and in general it probably takes away resources, energy etc that would be better spent/used on football and basketball.

You guys could, and should, have been in a much letter league (ECAC) but your administration did not want to make the commitment. Instead, the ECAC had to settle for Quinnipiac. They would much rather have had HC.

[Sader87]

Hockey is a waste of $$$....total niche sport that no one outside of New England or the Upper Midwest cares about...

[ngineer]

Hockey is a waste of $$$....total niche sport that no one outside of New England or the Upper Midwest cares about...

Yes, get your wrestling team back and help keep Boston U. program with a nearby rival. Wrestling a growing sport at the high school level, needs to be cultivated among the smaller colleges and universities...plus cheaper than ice hockey in terms of capital and equipment requirements.

[Franks Tanks]

Yes, get your wrestling team back and help keep Boston U. program with a nearby rival. Wrestling a growing sport at the high school level, needs to be cultivated among the smaller colleges and universities...plus cheaper than ice hockey in terms of capital and equipment requirements.

Boston U wrestling is toast no matter what. They need more $ for hockey after all!

[Gordon Shumway]

Boston U wrestling is toast no matter what. They need more $ for hockey after all!

You make that sound like a bad thing. Why in the world would hockey not take financial preference at BU over wrestling? Maybe winning 5 national championships in hockey is enough, and they need to give wrestling a chance.

[Franks Tanks]

You make that sound like a bad thing. Why in the world would hockey not take financial preference at BU over wrestling? Maybe winning 5 national championships in hockey is enough, and they need to give wrestling a chance.

Personally I don't really like hockey or wrestling so I don't care, but I don't like seeing wrestling always getting cut.

[RichH2]

Just because :)

[Go...gate]

Colgate hockey playing Union for the ECAC Championship tonight in Lake Placid. Go Red Raiders!

[carney2]

Colgate hockey playing Union for the ECAC Championship tonight in Lake Placid. Go Red Raiders!

Wake me when it's over.

On second thought, don't. You'll just bother me with the score which, along with Budesliga soccer standings and Lithuanian election results has my I-don't-give-a-crap jug overflowing.

[citdog]

Colgate hockey playing Union for the ECAC Championship tonight in Lake Placid. Go Red Raiders!


Go COLGATE!!!!!



http://southernnationalist.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Union-Dissolved.jpg

[Gate83]

Union wins 5-2. Still the only winter sport worth following, and Gate on the way to the NCAAs next weekend regardless. Wake me up when this basketball thing is over...

[Go...gate]

Union wins 5-2. Still the only winter sport worth following, and Gate on the way to the NCAAs next weekend regardless. Wake me up when this basketball thing is over...

Looks like we will be a #3 seed in one of the four regions.

[RichH2]

Just a serious moment. Lafayette BOT is going to consider again moving all sports to D III in its meeting at the end of the month. Hopefully not likely to pass, but the ongoing efforts to do that are puzzling. Not only does it harm Lafayette but as a core member of PL it hampers PL effort to bolster its athletic reputation.

[Franks Tanks]

Just a serious moment. Lafayette BOT is going to consider again moving all sports to D III in its meeting at the end of the month. Hopefully not likely to pass, but the ongoing efforts to do that are puzzling. Not only does it harm Lafayette but as a core member of PL it hampers PL effort to bolster its athletic reputation.

Where exactly did this come from? This has not even been hinted at by anyone I know (including people that would know).

[RichH2]

From Pard Board. Apparently on agenda again with BOT at this months meeting. My question is why does this keep resurfacing?

[Franks Tanks]

From Pard Board. Apparently on agenda again with BOT at this months meeting. My question is why does this keep resurfacing?

Rich, I don't believe there was anything posted of this nature. Plenty of bitching about our crappy athletic program, and some chatter about some senior people leaving the admin. Weiss and Byerly have never made a peep about D-III a far as I know.

[RichH2]

Just checked again. Look on dismal saturday thread. Refers to BOT letter outlining agenda,includes banning all frats and going D III. Look, I pray its bs but it just keeps coming up.

[Franks Tanks]

Just checked again. Look on dismal saturday thread. Refers to BOT letter outlining agenda,includes banning all frats and going D III. Look, I pray its bs but it just keeps coming up.

I see it now Rich. It was mentioned by one poster who has less that 30 posts. Lafalum is the insider over there and he is unaware of any such vote. Also it would be contrary to every statement and action made over the last 10 years (such as building a brand new stadium and adding scholarships is multiple sports). Frankly a post with no evidence backing it up from a poster we have no reason to trust.

[RichH2]

This recurring issue at Lafayette does have spillover to other PL programs. The pressure to drop sports or further deemphasize some always lurking at some PL schools in some sports raises as an ugly specter once again. The $$ burden of football schollies and expanded schollies in other sports and Title IX creating push to drop sports and in Lafayette's case to reconsider dropping entire orogram to DIII. smh

[Go...gate]

Just a serious moment. Lafayette BOT is going to consider again moving all sports to D III in its meeting at the end of the month. Hopefully not likely to pass, but the ongoing efforts to do that are puzzling. Not only does it harm Lafayette but as a core member of PL it hampers PL effort to bolster its athletic reputation.

WTH???? As John Wooden used to say, "goodness gracious sakes alive".

[Go...gate]

Googled this, nothing to be seen.

[Franks Tanks]

This recurring issue at Lafayette does have spillover to other PL programs. The pressure to drop sports or further deemphasize some always lurking at some PL schools in some sports raises as an ugly specter once again. The $$ burden of football schollies and expanded schollies in other sports and Title IX creating push to drop sports and in Lafayette's case to reconsider dropping entire orogram to DIII. smh

All, or a portion of the above, has been put to bed with the addition of scholarships in football and other sports. This issue is not being discussed at Lafayette within the group that has the power to make such decisions. The most connected member of our board-I believe he is a former trustee- said there is no vote scheduled and it is extremely unlikely that it is being discussed. Even if it was being discussed, it doesn't really have an impact on other PL schools. Does the fact that Wake Forest stinks at football hurt what Florida State has been doing?

There is nothing to see here.

[carney2]

Re: Lafayette to D-3:

1. Unlike Franks, I'm taking this seriously.

2. The Lafayette Board of Trustees is the 20th/21st century version of the star chamber. Google isn't going to get you anything. Most of the time they don't even know what's going on. Minutes of meetings are read and then eaten before anyone can leave the room.

3. "On the agenda" doesn't mean it will be brought to a vote. It won't.

4. The most disturbing thing about this is that it's out there again. It hasn't gone away and it shows that there is a firmly entrenched portion of the Lafayette community that wants it to happen. Near term result is that it will hurt recruiting and that should make most of you happy.

5. It will go away (again), but this proves that it's bubbling under the surface. One knowledgeable Lafayette poster says that, if it should actually get serious, there will be a war with the alumni. I'm not convinced that will be of much consequence to the people and constituencies who really matter at Lafayette.

6. It took 15 years for D-3 to come back. I'm betting it won't be 15 years before the next trial balloon.

[RichH2]

#4 is my concern. I hope that FT is right for the near future but for us on the outside the recurrence of this threat is troubling. What does it say that a core member repeatedly has to fend off D III threats by its own BOT. The question arises whether the current lack of support for sports and the result of not having a single winnng record is the way your administration will justify such a move.

[Go Green]

Just a serious moment. Lafayette BOT is going to consider again moving all sports to D III .

At least I give the Lafayette BOT credit for understanding the Dayton Rule.

Lot of other folks--especially folks on the Ivy football board--have no idea the rule exists.

[Franks Tanks]

Re: Lafayette to D-3:

1. Unlike Franks, I'm taking this seriously.

2. The Lafayette Board of Trustees is the 20th/21st century version of the star chamber. Google isn't going to get you anything. Most of the time they don't even know what's going on. Minutes of meetings are read and then eaten before anyone can leave the room.

3. "On the agenda" doesn't mean it will be brought to a vote. It won't.

4. The most disturbing thing about this is that it's out there again. It hasn't gone away and it shows that there is a firmly entrenched portion of the Lafayette community that wants it to happen. Near term result is that it will hurt recruiting and that should make most of you happy.

5. It will go away (again), but this proves that it's bubbling under the surface. One knowledgeable Lafayette poster says that, if it should actually get serious, there will be a war with the alumni. I'm not convinced that will be of much consequence to the people and constituencies who really matter at Lafayette.

6. It took 15 years for D-3 to come back. I'm betting it won't be 15 years before the next trial balloon.


The only question I would ask is who has put it out there again? One guy on our board posted that someone sent him an e-mail that there will be a vote on D-III and frats. It is a complete rumor, and contrary to the secret and round about way our board has dealt with frats. They may not like the frats but it doesn't seem like our BOT to have an actual vote on dissolving them. They would rather play political games and wait until the time is right to poach one frat at a time.

Last time this came up everyone knew. Everything we've done recently has been completely contrary to having D-III discussions. New stadium. New b-ball arena (granted a modest upgrade). Football and other scholarships, and a public commitment to the PL and D-I.

[carney2]

The only question I would ask is who has put it out there again? One guy on our board posted that someone sent him an e-mail that there will be a vote on D-III and frats.

He did not say "there will be a vote." He said it is on the agenda. That could mean any number of things. The "in the know" folks seem to be taking it seriously and say there will be no vote. Fact or fiction, the D-3 tag is associated with Lafayette again and there is no way that does the athletic program any good.

[Franks Tanks]

He did not say "there will be a vote." He said it is on the agenda. That could mean any number of things. The "in the know" folks seem to be taking it seriously and say there will be no vote. Fact or fiction, the D-3 tag is associated with Lafayette again and there is no way that does the athletic program any good.

I would just disagree that the D-3 tag is publically associated with Lafayette right now. There is nothing in the press. Just a handful of guys on a message board. I suspect that a few of the old D-3 stalwarts on the BOT may be brining it up in the meeting, but there is no vote, no public discussion and no reason to even entertain the possibility of Lafayette going D-3 anytime soon.

[RichH2]

PHEW! Appears original report incorrect. It is not on agenda. Great news. Pards are just terrible at sports,it isn't a plot to drive them to D III.

[carney2]

Pards are just terrible at sports

Finally some verifiable truth in this discussion. No (as in nada, zero) winning teams so far in the 2013-2014 academic year and none likely.

[Bogus Megapardus]

The Lafayette Board sleuths never are at a loss.





http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/1724705/ColgBuck.JPG



Does this explain Red Raider supremacy?

Tip o' the cap to Newleopardfan2 for this one.

[citdog]

Guess I can pull this one out again.


http://www.grouchyoldcripple.com/archives/prosperty-thumb.JPG


Clinton, SC is where Presbyterian College, of the Big South Conference, is located.

[Bogus Megapardus]

West of the Mississippi they always seem to do this in the wrong order . . .






http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img834/3937/2qsq.png
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img28/4085/xdv7.png

[Bogus Megapardus]

Guess I can pull this one out again.


OK, citdog, who woulda thunk . . . .






http://imageshack.com/a/img811/3536/e28j.png




That neighborhood in Ventura, California also has streets named Colby, Princeton, Yale, Bucknell, Amherst, Fordham, Lehigh, Annapolis, Cornell, Harvard and Dartmouth. That's some company you keep, in the midst of those mindless, wanton Yankee aggressors.

[ngineer]

The LC BOT is an odd bunch. I know the "Fraternity Struggle" and "Study" is ongoing and perhaps the entire aspect of "extracurricular activity" is being analyzed. LC also has a new Prez--their first woman. I would doubt she would be out leading the charge on such things so early in her tenure. Based on her presence, I suspect LC will "skirt" the issue...(;-)

[ngineer]

West of the Mississippi they always seem to do this in the wrong order . . .





http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img834/3937/2qsq.png
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img28/4085/xdv7.png


And appropriately enough, we're on top! (;-)

[ngineer]

Finally some verifiable truth in this discussion. No (as in nada, zero) winning teams so far in the 2013-2014 academic year and none likely.

That must be a record? At least in Lehigh's futile years of football and most everything else, we still had wrestling to give us hope.

[Bogus Megapardus]

The LC BOT is an odd bunch. I know the "Fraternity Struggle" and "Study" is ongoing and perhaps the entire aspect of "extracurricular activity" is being analyzed. LC also has a new Prez--their first woman. I would doubt she would be out leading the charge on such things so early in her tenure. Based on her presence, I suspect LC will "skirt" the issue...(;-)

I know that our new Prez is very much pro-football and pro-athletics in general. I'm not certain (yet) about her fraternity stance. I do know that Middlebury College (her previous haunt) outlawed fraternities in the early 1990s.

[Bogus Megapardus]

we're on top! (;-)

Yeah, I kinda noticed.

#150 will settle it all, n'est-ce pas?