Lafayette at New Hampshire

[65 Pard]

The Shlitz tag line "The beer that made Milwaukee famous"

New Yorkers will remember Mel Allen saying "Make the three ring sign for Ballantine" (purity, body, and flavor) P Ballantine and son, Newark NJ" on Yankee broadcasts.

Vin Scully on Dodger broadcasts "Shaeffer is the one beer to have when you're having more than one"

And Miss Rheingold on Giant Broadcasts.

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

And for post # 1,000, another quiz - which PL football town has the toniest modern brewery and winery (judging by the labels):



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Please tell me no PL'ers have been reading this thread for the past two plus hours! I gave the answer when I listed breweries per PL school a few posts ago! xrolleyesx

[Bogus Megapardus]

Please tell me no PL'ers have been reading this thread for the past two plus hours! I gave the answer when I listed breweries per PL school a few posts ago!

OK but you didn't post this . . .

In addition to South Bethlehem's Supreme Beer label, the Christmas City once offered a number of other fine package-ready, work-a-day brews from Beth Uhl Brewing Co. and Widman's Brewery.





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Many, many more to follow. The Bronx will be next . . . .

[Bogus Megapardus]

There were at one time seven breweries in the Bronx. On East 152nd Street, between Melrose and Courtlandt avenues, was the Haffen Brewery. On St. Ann’s Avenue and East 156th Street was the largest of them all, the Ebling Brewery, and north of it at East 161st Street was the Hupfel Brewery.

On the east side of Third Avenue, between East 168th Street and East 169th Street, were three more – the North Side Brewery, Mayer’s Brewery and Eichler’s. One block north from there, on the northeast corner of East 170th Street was Zeltner’s Brewery.

Some of the historic labels from the home of Fordham University:





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We'll take a look at Worcester's old-time beers next.

[Bill]

Ken Burns just announced he will be picking up Bogie's "Around the Patriot League" series and is turning it into a 6 hour, 3 part series on PBS next fall :)

[Bogus Megapardus]

Please tell me no PL'ers have been reading this thread for the past two plus hours! I gave the answer when I listed breweries per PL school a few posts ago! xrolleyesx

OK, is UNH Alum correct - has he covered it all with a list of fancy brewpubs and craft-snob labels somewhere in the vicinity of the PL football schools? Or do you guys want to finish the tour of package-ready, taproom-flowing suds from the days when PL schools won national championships, New Hampshire was getting clobbered by Bates and Colby, and you couldn't find the MVFC even if you had a compass?

[65 Pard]

My roommate got married in a church just down the street from the Horlacher brewery....located just a short distance from LC and LU

Horlacher's Brewing Company of Allentown, PA began way back in 1873. They survived Prohibition by producing beer for gangster Dutch Schultz, only to go into financial trouble because of competition afterwards. They lasted all the way till 1978, brewing some very offbeat and interesting products along the way. But none could save the Pennsylvania beer that existed for over 100 years

[Bogus Megapardus]

Ken Burns just announced he will be picking up Bogie's "Around the Patriot League" series and is turning it into a 6 hour, 3 part series on PBS next fall :)

Don't laugh - I'm going to collect snowy pictures of each school and make a video set to "I'll be Home for Christmas" (which I'll record myself). It'll take a while, though . . .

[Bogus Megapardus]

My roommate got married in a church just down the street from the Horlacher brewery....located just a short distance from LC and LU

Horlacher's Brewing Company of Allentown, PA began way back in 1873. They survived Prohibition by producing beer for gangster Dutch Schultz, only to go into financial trouble because of competition afterwards. They lasted all the way till 1978, brewing some very offbeat and interesting products along the way. But none could save the Pennsylvania beer that existed for over 100 years


I had to skip Allentown, the other NYC Boros and the towns just outside of Easton - way too many beers to cover, Literally dozens.







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[Lehigh Football Nation]

Ken Burns just announced he will be picking up Bogie's "Around the Patriot League" series and is turning it into a 6 hour, 3 part series on PBS next fall :)

Parts 1 and 2: Lehigh: From Richard Harding Davis to the Leckonby Lambert Cup Team

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

OK, is UNH Alum correct - has he covered it all with a list of fancy brewpubs and craft-snob labels somewhere in the vicinity of the PL football schools? Or do you guys want to finish the tour of package-ready, taproom-flowing suds from the days when PL schools won national championships, New Hampshire was getting clobbered by Bates and Colby, and you couldn't find the MVFC even if you had a compass?

Never stated I was trying to "cover it all", just showing current day breweries and how in my mind they didn't compare with those near the CAA towns. And alluding to how a fan base as smart as the PL should have answered your question about "Good Nature" in less than two hours when the answer was given not once but twice in prior posts. I'll step out of your way Bogie so you can continue your trip down Memory Lane. I know better than to get in an ancient history discussion with a PL'er!! :D

[Bogus Megapardus]

]didn't compare with those near the CAA towns

Certainly there are many fine beers available in CAA towns. I simply thought it might be interesting to take a look at some of the old beer labels from PL towns. Hamilton, New yourk, as it turns out, doesn't have any. Not to leave them out, I threw in the modern labels in addition to the "Colgate Whiskey" shot glass.

It's really not that big of a deal.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Worcester's principal brewery was located at at the bottom of Mt. St James, at Quinsigamond & Lafayette Street - near the Miss Worcester. The brewery opened in 1883 as Bowler Bros., Ltd. which operated from 1883-1918. After prohibition, the brewery reopened as Bowler Brewing Co. from 1934-1935. In 1934 it became Brockert Brewing Co., then in 1945 (following WWII) it operated as the Worcester Brewing Co.. The operation closed in 1962.

Some of the noted labels that Bob Cousy might have seen during his days at Holy Cross:




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We'll tackle Washington, D.C. next.

[Go...gate]

Certainly there are many fine beers available in CAA towns. I simply thought it might be interesting to take a look at some of the old beer labels from PL towns. Hamilton, New yourk, as it turns out, doesn't have any. Not to leave them out, I threw in the modern labels in addition to the "Colgate Whiskey" shot glass.

It's really not that big of a deal.

We may not have brewed the stuff, but we drank a lot of it!

[Sader87]

Worcester's principal brewery was located at at the bottom of Mt. St James, at Quinsigamond & Lafayette Street - near the Miss Worcester. The brewery opened in 1883 as Bowler Bros., Ltd. which operated from 1883-1918. After prohibition, the brewery reopened as Bowler Brewing Co. from 1934-1935. In 1934 it became Brockert Brewing Co., then in 1945 (following WWII) it operated as the Worcester Brewing Co.. The operation closed in 1962.

Some of the noted labels that Bob Cousy might have seen during his days at Holy Cross:



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We'll tackle Washington, D.C. next.

While I'm sure the Cooz (and my father, who was a classmate of the Houdini of the Hardwood) may have been aware of these labels. from what I'm told of Cousy, I'm not sure he partook of many of these fine brews whilst at HC.

[Bogus Megapardus]

New Yorkers will remember Mel Allen saying "Make the three ring sign for Ballantine"


Throw a sign like that these days and you're likely to get capped. xtroublex







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[COpard]

While I'm sure the Cooz (and my father, who was a classmate of the Houdini of the Hardwood) may have been aware of these labels. from what I'm told of Cousy, I'm not sure he partook of many of these fine brews whilst at HC.

Yes, Cousy did not partake - but his Celtic playing parter John Havlicek more than made up for the Cooz's abstinence.

[Bogus Megapardus]

How the MVFC, CAA, SoCon, Southland, etc. view beer drinking in the Patriot League:







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[Gater]

I missed the beginning of this thread. Can someone recap what's been talked about so far?

[Bogus Megapardus]

I missed the beginning of this thread. Can someone recap what's been talked about so far?

First year comparative lit students are being asked to essay the themes contained in this thread as a semester-long project.

[Gater]

After skimming the thread it's obvious to me what "Jimmy Dogs" symbolizes and the many uses of "Sean Goldrich" as a metaphor but the theme escapes me. I would imagine this is when having Georgetown in the league comes in handy.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Is overtaking of the Chattanooga thread too lofty a goal?

[RichH2]

Nope,just another noble quest

[Pard4Life]

Lafayette actually received some votes in the coaches top 25... six. Somehow, Lehigh still got 30-40.

[Bogus Megapardus]

After skimming the thread it's obvious to me what "Jimmy Dogs" symbolizes





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Yes, Virginia, there was a Jimmy Dogs. In fact, it still exists - but it's now in a strip mall on 25th street.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Lafayette actually received some votes in the coaches top 25... six. Somehow, Lehigh still got 30-40.

They probably know as much about the Patriot League as I know about, say, Tennessee-Chattanooga. Which is zero.

[carney2]

I missed the beginning of this thread. Can someone recap what's been talked about so far?

It is, of course, all about Lehigh. Isn't everything?

[RichH2]

It is, of course, all about Lehigh. Isn't everything?
;) As it should be.

[Bogus Megapardus]

It is, of course, all about Lehigh. Isn't everything?









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.

[RichH2]

Luckily,Pards have their allotted victory for this decade

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Lafayette actually received some votes in the coaches top 25... six. Somehow, Lehigh still got 30-40.

You do realize that Lehigh 8-3 and beat two Top 25 teams? As opposed to Lafayette who finished 5-7. At the end of the day, Lafayette's season was basically the equivalent of a team getting hot in their conference hoops tourney and making the big dance.

[Bogus Megapardus]

You do realize that Lehigh 8-3 and beat two Top 25 teams? As opposed to Lafayette who finished 5-7. At the end of the day, Lafayette's season was basically the equivalent of a team getting hot in their conference hoops tourney and making the big dance.

Umm . . . Lafayette also beat two top 25 teams. And won the league title.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Umm . . . Lafayette also beat two top 25 teams. And won the league title.

Like Georgia's run through the SEC tourney a few years ago....

Sorry but a 5-7 team is never going to be ranked ahead of an 8-3 team. I don't care what names you put on the jerseys....well maybe NDSU....

[Bogus Megapardus]

IMO, Lehigh should get out of their current conference and jump to another like the CAA where they can have relevance for football. The league that they are in just isn't known as a power football league, and they will suffer because of that.

Discuss. xlolx

[Sader87]

How much you want to wager that he didn't know we coulda been in the Big East???? xrotatehx

[Bogus Megapardus]

How much you want to wager that he didn't know we coulda been in the Big East???? xrotatehx

That's an EXCELLENT point. And that's when NDSU was still an NAIA school or whatever. And Bob Cousy. And the NIT. And definitely Bob Cousy.

You know I was thinking - Princeton should get out of their current conference and jump to another like the CAA where they can have relevance for football. The league that they are in just isn't known as a power football league, and they will suffer because of that.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Sorry but a 5-7 team is never going to be ranked ahead of an 8-3 team.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter that Lehigh is "ranked" ahead of Lafayette. It's enough that everybody recognizes and understands that the Pards were the better team. xpeacex

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

At the end of the day it doesn't matter that Lehigh is "ranked" ahead of Lafayette. It's enough that everybody recognizes and understands that the Pards were the better team. xpeacex

Only when Fordham fans admit that too....:p

[Bogus Megapardus]

Only when Fordham fans admit that too....:p

They're less reasonable than Lehigh fans. Besides, they've yet to realize that the Pards still would have received the auto-bid even if Fordham had been eligible. It's a straightforward concept but emotion sometimes gets in the way. :)

[Gate83]

I'm confused... Lehigh to the CAA would be a bad thing? We could always replace them with Monmouth.

[Bogus Megapardus]

I'm confused... Lehigh to the CAA would be a bad thing? We could always replace them with Monmouth.

A thrilling prospect.

Will they be ready for Yankee Stadium if the Brownie Bunch takes a powder?

[Bogus Megapardus]

Today on AGS I was called, at various times, ignorant, stupid, daft, uninformed, lazy, inept and a moronic jackoff because I had the unbridled temerity to question to one's basis for splitting FCS into "Major" conferences on the one hand, and something other than major, on the other. One guy not so subtly suggested he was going to use his mighty "banhammer" on me (a "banhammer" is a perquisite awarded by this forum's administrators to certain posters who may use it against anyone the poster chooses, but only once; If I disappear, you'll know why).

I find none of this the least bit troubling. What I do find troubling, however, is my complete inability to form a coherent reply to this gem, posted in the "FCS Budgets" thread:


But you see, we aren't just considering NDSU "major", but moreso our conference. This is all in reference to the FCS and FCS only. There IS a parity whether you think so or not. On one end, you have the MVFC, CAA, Big Sky, etc. and on the other you have the Pioneer, NEC, etc. etc. If you do not think there is a difference, then there is no reasoning with you.

While I'm sure it was penned during a moment of pure lucidity and makes abundant sense to its author, I truly have no idea whatsoever what the poor soul is attempting to convey. Should I care, or is it not worth the effort . . . ing?

[SeattleGriz]

Today on AGS I was called, at various times, ignorant, stupid, daft, uninformed, lazy, inept and a moronic jackoff because I had the unbridled temerity to question to one's basis for splitting FCS into "Major" conferences on the one hand, and something other than major, on the other. One guy not so subtly suggested he was going to use his mighty "banhammer" on me (a "banhammer" is a perquisite awarded by this forum's administrators to certain posters who may use it against anyone the poster chooses, but only once; If I disappear, you'll know why).

I find none of this the least bit troubling. What I do find troubling, however, is my complete inability to form a coherent reply to this gem, posted in the "FCS Budgets" thread:



While I'm sure it was penned during a moment of pure lucidity and makes abundant sense to its author, I truly have no idea whatsoever what the poor soul is attempting to convey. Should I care, or is it not worth the effort . . . ing?

Ban his azz! 😁

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[UNHWildcat18]

A thrilling prospect.

Will they be ready for Yankee Stadium if the Brownie Bunch takes a powder?

How long do you guys think it will take until MU accepts the Academic Index and joins PL-football? They sure are not getting into the CAA anytime soon.(Granted the stadium stays at 4,000 Capacity.)

[Darlinikki150]

Today on AGS I was called, at various times, ignorant, stupid, daft, uninformed, lazy, inept and a moronic jackoff because I had the unbridled temerity to question to one's basis for splitting FCS into "Major" conferences on the one hand, and something other than major, on the other. One guy not so subtly suggested he was going to use his mighty "banhammer" on me (a "banhammer" is a perquisite awarded by this forum's administrators to certain posters who may use it against anyone the poster chooses, but only once; If I disappear, you'll know why).

I find none of this the least bit troubling. What I do find troubling, however, is my complete inability to form a coherent reply to this gem, posted in the "FCS Budgets" thread:



While I'm sure it was penned during a moment of pure lucidity and makes abundant sense to its author, I truly have no idea whatsoever what the poor soul is attempting to convey. Should I care, or is it not worth the effort . . . ing?

I kinda thought he was trying to make an analogy. Like the bigger conferences, mvfc bsc CAA are like the NFC east if u will. And the pl NEC swac etc are more like the NFC north. Both are in the NFL, both leagues have good players, money and facilities but the NFC east is perceived by sports lovers as a better league. At least that's what I took from it, and in all honesty it isn't far off at this particular time in FCS football. I really don't think those guys were trying to be demeaning, I just think they didn't explain it well. But its just my opinion, I'm sure some one will tell me why I'm wrong and call me a stupid broad. Just how it goes on AGS my friend. :)

[Go...gate]

I'm confused... Lehigh to the CAA would be a bad thing? We could always replace them with Monmouth.

Say what????

[Go...gate]

Today on AGS I was called, at various times, ignorant, stupid, daft, uninformed, lazy, inept and a moronic jackoff because I had the unbridled temerity to question to one's basis for splitting FCS into "Major" conferences on the one hand, and something other than major, on the other. One guy not so subtly suggested he was going to use his mighty "banhammer" on me (a "banhammer" is a perquisite awarded by this forum's administrators to certain posters who may use it against anyone the poster chooses, but only once; If I disappear, you'll know why).

I find none of this the least bit troubling. What I do find troubling, however, is my complete inability to form a coherent reply to this gem, posted in the "FCS Budgets" thread:



While I'm sure it was penned during a moment of pure lucidity and makes abundant sense to its author, I truly have no idea whatsoever what the poor soul is attempting to convey. Should I care, or is it not worth the effort . . . ing?

"Banhammer", eh? Now I know what happened to Cap'n Cat and d1b.....

[Bogus Megapardus]

"Banhammer", eh? Now I know what happened to Cap'n Cat and d1b.....

It appears to be a rough modern analogue to the medieval practice of procuring indulgentia plenaria for a certain fee paid in advance. Not sure who gets to be Pope. xchinscratchx

[Bogus Megapardus]

I kinda thought he was trying to make an analogy. Like the bigger conferences, mvfc bsc CAA are like the NFC east if u will. And the pl NEC swac etc are more like the NFC north. Both are in the NFL, both leagues have good players, money and facilities but the NFC east is perceived by sports lovers as a better league. At least that's what I took from it, and in all honesty it isn't far off at this particular time in FCS football. I really don't think those guys were trying to be demeaning, I just think they didn't explain it well. But its just my opinion, I'm sure some one will tell me why I'm wrong and call me a stupid broad. Just how it goes on AGS my friend. :)


Sports fans enthusiastically quantify and categorize just about everything, so why not FCS conferences, right? I agree that it's nothing more than a point of view. I just thought it was really, really funny coming from a crew that typically doesn't believe that certain unworthy teams ought to be permitted in the FCS tournament to begin with.

My view is that there's very little perceiving of such things going on outside of AGS. I don't think there are major and non-major FCS conferences, or bigger and non-big FCS conferences. Either you're striving to earn a bid to the Ninth Sometimes-Annual Scrubbing Bubbles Bowl in Pascagoula or you're wasting everyone's time - that's the concept. The only FCS conference anyone's ever heard of is the Ivy League and very few (aside from AGS denizens) would associate Ivy with FCS without thinking really long and hard about it. Even there, few would regard the Ancients as anything other than "big."

But if you do choose to separate the "big" FCS conferences from the little hoi polloi (regardless of the criteria tasked to do so), it seems prudent to anticipate at least a smattering of blow-back from the remainder.

[RichH2]

Sports fans enthusiastically quantify and categorize just about everything, so why not FCS conferences, right? I agree that it's nothing more than a point of view. I just thought it was really, really funny coming from a crew that typically doesn't believe that certain unworthy teams ought to be permitted in the FCS tournament to begin with.

My view is that there's very little perceiving of such things going on outside of AGS. I don't think there are major and non-major FCS conferences, or bigger and non-big FCS conferences. Either you're striving to earn a bid to the Ninth Sometimes-Annual Scrubbing Bubbles Bowl in Pascagoula or you're wasting everyone's time - that's the concept. The only FCS conference anyone's ever heard of is the Ivy League and very few (aside from AGS denizens) would associate Ivy with FCS without thinking really long and hard about it. Even there, few would regard the Ancients as anything other than "big."

But if you do choose to separate the "big" FCS conferences from the little hoi polloi (regardless of the criteria tasked to do so), it seems prudent to anticipate at least a smattering of blow-back from the remainder.

Well said. Rather a disproportionate series of responses to your original point that thread was about "FCS budgets: not just those of the 'big boys" We are all aware that there is a difference between MVFC,CAA and SoCon and the rest of the conferences in the FCS. It does not follow that they s/b classified as Major conferences and the rest of FCS relegated to a MAC status.If they wish to emulate the BCS-FBS model they should follow AppSt et al and become akin to the PFL in FBS. To me one of the best aspects of FCS is that we determne Natl champs on the field not by setting up artificial boundaries to limit those who can compete for the title.

[Bogus Megapardus]

How long do you guys think it will take until MU accepts the Academic Index and joins PL-football? They sure are not getting into the CAA anytime soon.(Granted the stadium stays at 4,000 Capacity.)

Maybe Monmouth U. is holding out for a "Major" FCS Conference. xrolleyesx

I just can't see Monmouth in the Patriot, really. It's a commuter school with little in the way of athletic tradition and nothing particular to distinguish itself academically. There's no history with any of the existing Patriot teams. It's only a generation removed from its origins as Junior College so its alumni profile doesn't match the rest of the PL at all. These are the kinds of things they look at. I'm also not convinced that Monmouth U. would have any interest in joining the Patriot.

A much stronger case could be made for Wagner, Marist or Duquense.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Patriot league is no different than the Pioneer league. They should just combine the two leagues and have an east and west division.

The brilliance shines ever brighter.

[LehighU11]

Discuss.

NDSU is no different than UND, SDSU, and USD. They should just combine the schools and co-sponsor certification programs.

[Twentysix]

NDSU is no different than UND, SDSU, and USD. They should just combine the schools and co-sponsor certification programs.

If the entire PL pooled resources into one team, could they be competive on a national level? Probably not.

[Bogus Megapardus]

If the entire PL pooled resources into one team, could they be competive on a national level? Probably not.

What do you mean? I think it would be a world-class certification program. Maybe not on the level of NDSU's Pesticide Training (http://www.ag.ndsu.nodak.edu/aginfo/pesticid/cert_info.htm) diploma - but damn close, I'll bet.

[LehighU11]

But you see, we aren't just considering NDSU "major", but moreso our conference. This is all in reference to the FCS and FCS only. There IS a parity whether you think so or not. On one end, you have the MVFC, CAA, Big Sky, etc. and on the other you have the Pioneer, NEC, etc. etc. If you do not think there is a difference, then there is no reasoning with you.
Personally, this fellow's remarks are my favorites. It's refreshing to see that an enlightened Bizon fan acknowledges the parity between the conferences in the Football Championship Subdivision. Obviously, there is no reasoning with the rest of you who fail to see this parity.

[LehighU11]

What do you mean? I think it would be a world-class certification program. Maybe not on the level of NDSU's Pesticide Training (http://www.ag.ndsu.nodak.edu/aginfo/pesticid/cert_info.htm) diploma - but damn close, I'll bet.

25 bucks for my very own pesticide certification! Now I wish I hadn't wasted a quarter of a million at a non-competitive school on the national level when I could have received a certification from Pesticide U and cheered for a "major" FCS conference powerhouse for the price of a night's bar tab.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Personally, this fellow's remarks are my favorites. It's refreshing to see that an enlightened Bizon fan acknowledges the parity between the conferences in the Football Championship Subdivision. Obviously, there is no reasoning with the rest of you who fail to see this parity.

Just a hunch, but I think his language usage skills were developed in the Pesticide Training Program.

[Bogus Megapardus]

25 bucks for my very own pesticide certification! Now I wish I hadn't wasted a quarter of a million at a non-competitive school on the national level when I could have received a certification from Pesticide U and cheered for a "major" FCS conference powerhouse for the price of a night's bar tab.

For another couple of Benjamins they'll make you a "Reverend."

[LehighU11]

Just a hunch, but I think his language usage skills were developed in the Pesticide Training Program.
Was he one of the bright 22% that graduate in 4 years, or 56% that graduate in 8 years?

[centennial]

Look down on people for the school they went to. Then I hear complaints about how the ivies treat you. Nice work Bogus.

[ngineer]

Look down on people for the school they went to. Then I hear complaints about how the ivies treat you. Nice work Bogus.

You aren't familiar enough with Bogie. It's his schtick to pick out some particular course and make it appear that the entire school's program revolves around it. He's gotten tired of poking at our "Supply Chain Management" major in the Business College (which has become a nice nationally recognized business program), but which can sound a bit 'basic', just as we don't waste the energy anymore pointing to Laughyette's expanding focus on arts 'n crafts so their grads can get internships at the Crayola Factory in downtown, Easton. (;-)

[RichH2]

You aren't familiar enough with Bogie. It's his schtick to pick out some particular course and make it appear that the entire school's program revolves around it. He's gotten tired of poking at our "Supply Chain Management" major in the Business College (which has become a nice nationally recognized business program), but which can sound a bit 'basic', just as we don't waste the energy anymore pointing to Laughyette's expanding focus on arts 'n crafts so their grads can get internships at the Crayola Factory in downtown, Easton. (;-)


Geez n, how could you ignore Pards venture into gender studies. I men how many colleges give remedial programs so they can differentiate between men and women

[Bogus Megapardus]

Geez n, how could you ignore Pards venture into gender studies. I men how many colleges give remedial programs so they can differentiate between men and women

You forgot puppets. The frontispiece of our new global image.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Look down on people for the school they went to. Then I hear complaints about how the ivies treat you. Nice work Bogus.

Let's call a truce, shall we? We won't win three consecutive FCS titles anytime soon, and you guys won't try to use the word "parity" in a coherent sentence. Deal?

[Sader87]

Let's call a truce, shall we? We won't win three consecutive FCS titles anytime soon, and you guys won't try to use the word "parity" in a coherent sentence. Deal?

Just as long as the MVFC posters stop messing around with our "parity of essence" disrupting our precious bodily fluids.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY

[Bogus Megapardus]

Just as long as the MVFC posters stop messing around with our "parity of essence" disrupting our precious bodily fluids.

My favorite movie of all time. It doesn't matter how many times I watch it.


"That's right, sir, you are the only person authorized to do so. And although I, uh, hate to judge before
all the facts are in, it's beginning to look like, uh, General Ripper exceeded his authority."
I have co-opted that line (or a version of it) countless times.

[centennial]

Let's call a truce, shall we? We won't win three consecutive FCS titles anytime soon, and you guys won't try to use the word "parity" in a coherent sentence. Deal?
Your narcissism is funny.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Your narcissism is funny.

Narcissus died by the ruse of Nemesis, IIRC. If you're going to engage here in a battle of wits playing the role of the goddess of Rhamnous, you'd best not come unarmed.

[centennial]

Narcissus died by the ruse of Nemesis, IIRC. If you're going to engage here in a battle of wits playing the role of the goddess of Rhamnous, you'd best not come unarmed.
It baffles the mind how you know some Greek mythology. Is it a measure of your intelligence? Does increase the IQ's of everyone at Lafayette by at least half a standard deviation? Did your highbrow liberal arts degree teach you what that means without looking it up? Anyway I am done arguing with you. Enjoy your elite education.

[Bogus Megapardus]

It baffles the mind how you know some Greek mythology. Is it a measure of your intelligence? Does increase the IQ's of everyone at Lafayette by at least half a standard deviation? Did your highbrow liberal arts degree teach you what that means without looking it up? Anyway I am done arguing with you. Enjoy your elite education.

Dude, you're the one who compared me to Narcissus. I didn't bring it up. I had every reason to accept that you knew what the word meant when you tried to use it to belittle and degrade me in front of your chosen audience.

Perhaps it's best that you go back where you came from and just be a Major FCS Conference. That suits you perfectly.

[RichH2]

Isn't it sad that so many equate an excellent education with elitism. It's not you know. It s/b a standard requirement. No wonder creationism is so popular,Darwin only a theory.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Isn't it sad that so many equate an excellent education with elitism. It's not you know. It s/b a standard requirement. No wonder creationism is so popular,Darwin only a theory.

This is flabbergasting. Yes, I took a semester of Greek mythology at Lafayette. I had Prof. Marblestone, like so may others - the Indiana Jones of Easton. It just so happens that I recall many of the tales, probably because those tales mesh so well with modern human experience. But that's why it's taught, isn't it?

BTW I prefer Creationism. Darwinism is factual and scientifically accurate but you can get the gist of it in an afternoon. Creationism is much more interesting.

[ngineer]

This is flabbergasting. Yes, I took a semester of Greek mythology at Lafayette. I had Prof. Marblestone, like so may others - the Indiana Jones of Easton. It just so happens that I recall many of the tales, probably because those tales mesh so well with modern human experience. But that's why it's taught, isn't it?

BTW I prefer Creationism. Darwinism is factual and scientifically accurate but you can get the gist of it in an afternoon. Creationism is much more interesting.

The Greek Curse: "May you live in interesting times."

[RichH2]

This is flabbergasting. Yes, I took a semester of Greek mythology at Lafayette. I had Prof. Marblestone, like so may others - the Indiana Jones of Easton. It just so happens that I recall many of the tales, probably because those tales mesh so well with modern human experience. But that's why it's taught, isn't it?

BTW I prefer Creationism. Darwinism is factual and scientifically accurate but you can get the gist of it in an afternoon. Creationism is much more interesting.

There you go xrolleyesx just so liberal artsy. you elitist you;). Admit still find Gilgamesh epic enjoyable, if not historically exactly accurate

[Bogus Megapardus]

Gilgamesh

I consider all those Ancient Near East guys to be terrorists (except Hammurabi). At least until Al-Qaeda is defeated.

[Bogus Megapardus]

The Huffington Post chimes in on Ivy League sports culture and (non-) scholarships with a focus on the attrition factor that, until now, was endemic throughout the PL as well.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jennie-shulkin/ivy-league-quitters-the-c_b_4525656.html

[RichH2]

The Huffington Post chimes in on Ivy League sports culture and (non-) scholarships with a focus on the attrition factor that, until now, was endemic throughout the PL as well.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jennie-shulkin/ivy-league-quitters-the-c_b_4525656.html

Well presented but really no new ground here for any familiar with Patriot and Ivy Leagues. Does put a spotlight tho on the essntial difference between merit and need aid. The latter continues regardless of whether the athlete continues in the sport.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Well presented but really no new ground here for any familiar with Patriot and Ivy Leagues. Does put a spotlight tho on the essntial difference between merit and need aid. The latter continues regardless of whether the athlete continues in the sport.

Which is why PL rosters will shrink.

[Pard4Life]

If the entire PL pooled resources into one team, could they be competive on a national level? Probably not.

You are not thinking about it the right way. The only solution would be for every PL team to disband except the sole representative, Lehigh. Because nobody else can match their divine pigskin purity.

[RichH2]

You are not thinking about it the right way. The only solution would be for every PL team to disband except the sole representative, Lehigh. Because nobody else can match their divine pigskin purity.
xnodx Still beating that drum.:D But still true after all these years. Altho, Pards do seem to be regrouping. Doubt we'll be able to mark down Lafayette as an automatic win for the next few years.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Prone as I am to self-effacing humor, I threw together a freebie for you Lehigh guys:







http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/93/lki7.png




Don't say I never did anything for ya . . . . .

[Neighbor2]

Geez, is that poster advertising the newest act out on Fire Island?

[RichH2]

Prone as I am to self-effacing humor, I threw together a freebie for you Lehigh guys:






http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/93/lki7.png






Don't say I never did anything for ya . . . . .

Explains clearly why Lafayette compelled to add a major in gender studies.Those boys are just very confused

[ngineer]

Prone as I am to self-effacing humor, I threw together a freebie for you Lehigh guys:






http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/93/lki7.png






Don't say I never did anything for ya . . . . .

I remember one of the Lafayette coaches telling us on our recruiting trip that The Marquis had previously been holding a sword in his right hand, but that the 'bastards from Lehigh sawed it off!"

[Bogus Megapardus]

Ah, yes . . . but here's the Dean of Students with the Marquis de Lafayette's personal sword, forged in 1792.

I think they keep that one indoors.






http://www.lafayette.edu/about/wp-content/blogs.dir/2/files/convocation-2013/convocation-162.jpg




The Crimson robes make him look a little less menacing.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Also - the Colton Chapel statue sword has gone "missing" and has been returned on a number of occasions:





http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4067/4709384994_fe1a5aee10.jpg



Not so for the cannon you guys kept. xblehx

[RichH2]

Also - the Colton Chapel statue sword has gone "missing" and has been returned on a number of occasions:




http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4067/4709384994_fe1a5aee10.jpg




No so for the cannon you guys kept. xblehx

Yup,we did.Wish I had been there. My one excursion was to paint the Marquis Brown and White. He looked even prettier.

[citdog]

That style is common for the Heroes of the First Revolution. Here is a fine example. Genl Washington's Cane was broken when the yankee scum occupied and then burned the South Carolina State House along with the rest of the Columbia in 1865. It has never been repaired as a reminder of the type of people with which we are forced against our will to confederate with.


http://www.scstatehouse.gov/studentpage/explore/map/images/GeorgeWashingtonStatue.jpg

[Go...gate]

So what is the story - Lehigh stole Lafayette's cannon? Sounds like an old Princeton-Rutgers stunt.

[Bogus Megapardus]

So what is the story - Lehigh stole Lafayette's cannon? Sounds like an old Princeton-Rutgers stunt.

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1947/11/5/cannon-nappers-are-poor-sports-say-rutgers/#



The cannon is "a very important thing" to the Middle Three--Rutgers, Lafayette, and
Lehigh--who win it from each other on the football field. According to Middle Three
tradition, the Little Red Cannon should be around this weekend when Rutgers meets Lafayette.

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1947/11/10/rutgers-gets-stolen-cannon-after-tip-off/

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2010/08/what-happened-to-cannon.html

[Bogus Megapardus]

The Lafayette, November 7, 1947 -



http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/9098/js7d.png

[Bogus Megapardus]

Old is New - The impact of scholarships and the state of the Middle Three, March 25, 1960:

http://cdm.lafayette.edu/cgi-bin/getimage.exe?CISOROOT=/newspaper&CISOPTR=7496&DMSCALE=50&DMWIDTH=1500&DMHEIGHT=2023&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMCROP=674,82,610,1198

Perspective is everything.

[RichH2]

I
Old is New - The impact of scholarships and the state of the Middle Three, March 25, 1960:

http://cdm.lafayette.edu/cgi-bin/getimage.exe?CISOROOT=/newspaper&CISOPTR=7496&DMSCALE=50&DMWIDTH=1500&DMHEIGHT=2023&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMCROP=674,82,610,1198

Perspective is everything.
Reading article had me laughing and a bit sad simultaneously. A different time. Perspective perhaps the most apt lesson to view today's lanscape.
Not that many years later LU did " deemphasize" ,took 10 yrs to recover.Middle Three, which we all thought was as solid as any rivalry, petered out as the landscape of college football started its morph into what we have today. Whether good or bad,I'll leave to others to argue. I do miss the clarity and simplicity of those days at times. The story must be remembered for context,if nothimg else, not as a lost utopia to be mourned. Hardy had the right of it.

[Wallace]

Discuss

lame. like this thread

[Lehigh'98]

Shakeup in Lehigh's Def coordinator. Looks like someone new will be calling defense next yr.

[Bogus Megapardus]

lame. like this thread

Ah, but did you read it all before jumping to that conclusion?

[Bogus Megapardus]

Reading article had me laughing and a bit sad simultaneously. A different time. Perspective perhaps the most apt lesson to view today's lanscape.
Not that many years later LU did " deemphasize" ,took 10 yrs to recover.Middle Three, which we all thought was as solid as any rivalry, petered out as the landscape of college football started its morph into what we have today. Whether good or bad,I'll leave to others to argue. I do miss the clarity and simplicity of those days at times. The story must be remembered for context,if nothimg else, not as a lost utopia to be mourned. Hardy had the right of it.

I liked the quote from the Lehigh AD who presumed that pretty much everyone at Oklahoma was a dunderhead. Likely it was an acceptable view at the time and a prevailing one as well.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Also I revised the Marquis poster just a bit. Full size reprints are available for Lehigh grads to deface and degrade in time for #150. Order yours today.







http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/83/qc0r.png

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Shakeup in Lehigh's Def coordinator. Looks like someone new will be calling defense next yr.

This is welcomed news!

[ngineer]

Ah, yes . . . but here's the Dean of Students with the Marquis de Lafayette's personal sword, forged in 1792.

I think they keep that one indoors.





http://www.lafayette.edu/about/wp-content/blogs.dir/2/files/convocation-2013/convocation-162.jpg





The Crimson robes make him look a little less menacing.

Nice toothpick!

[ngineer]

Shakeup in Lehigh's Def coordinator. Looks like someone new will be calling defense next yr.

Source? Link?

[RichH2]

I liked the quote from the Lehigh AD who presumed that pretty much everyone at Oklahoma was a dunderhead. Likely it was an acceptable view at the time and a prevailing one as well.

xrolleyesx Some truths are eternal.Donderheads like cockroachs will always be with us.

[Bogus Megapardus]

BREAKING NEWS:

“There are people out there calling me ‘Frankasaurus’”

http://blogs.mcall.com/sports/2014/01/leopards-reed-honored-again-is-coach-tavani-next.html

Who knew? :)

[Lehigh'98]

Source? Link?

From what I understand, Roberts will be DL coach. The other co DC is out. Either Bott will be calling plays or someone new. Reliable source but no links, sorry.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

From what I understand, Roberts will be DL coach. The other co DC is out. Either Bott will be calling plays or someone new. Reliable source but no links, sorry.

If that's true I like it. I know Wilcher was respected but there's been times when the secondary has looked lost. The front 7, even last year, has been the defense's strength for years imo.

This took some guts by Coen....

[RichH2]

From what I understand, Roberts will be DL coach. The other co DC is out. Either Bott will be calling plays or someone new. Reliable source but no links, sorry.
No surprise. As Wilcher has been very active recruiting,is it likely Andy would fire him this late or just move him back to 2ndary

[Go...gate]

Old is New - The impact of scholarships and the state of the Middle Three, March 25, 1960:

http://cdm.lafayette.edu/cgi-bin/getimage.exe?CISOROOT=/newspaper&CISOPTR=7496&DMSCALE=50&DMWIDTH=1500&DMHEIGHT=2023&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMCROP=674,82,610,1198

Perspective is everything.

Thanks for posting. That was, indeed, the prevailing view at Rutgers - they considered themselves akin to an ivy (a very legitimate contention). Al Twitchell, who succeeded Rockefeller, also embraced that view until he was succeeded by Fred Gruninger in 1973.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

No surprise. As Wilcher has been very active recruiting,is it likely Andy would fire him this late or just move him back to 2ndary

Are you suggesting that Wilcher will remain on the staff as the secondary coach?

[Bogus Megapardus]

People ask, "why the Academic Index?"

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/us/ncaa-athletes-reading-scores/

I don't ever want to see my college on that list.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Thanks for posting. That was, indeed, the prevailing view at Rutgers - they considered themselves akin to an ivy (a very legitimate contention). Al Twitchell, who succeeded Rockefeller, also embraced that view until he was succeeded by Fred Gruninger in 1973.

Rutgers (along with Virginia) certainly was akin an Ivy back then - but then again, the Ivy didn't exist until 1957. I really think Rutgers took the wrong path at the fork. If New Jersey wanted to have an identifiable a "State U." it could have created one, and left Rutgers alone.

And to think, Rutgers "coulda been in the PL . . ."

[RichH2]

Are you suggesting that Wilcher will remain on the staff as the secondary coach?


No. I'm asking.

[Lehigh'98]

No. I'm asking.

Sounds like Wilcher is out. What U said about him recruiting sounds very plausible.

[RichH2]

Thanks 98. Very tough with 4 less coaches to finish recruiting with a big push. Is whatit is. Now to sit back and trust Andy to hire the right guys.

[Lehigh'98]

Thanks 98. Very tough with 4 less coaches to finish recruiting with a big push. Is whatit is. Now to sit back and trust Andy to hire the right guys.

I know Coach Coen and Coach Roberts are very tight, so this decision must have either been very very tough for him or he was pressured into it by Sterrett. I think he realizes that the decisions he makes now with coaches will go a long way with his coaching future, thus he seems to be trying to take his time to get the right people in.

[Go...gate]

Rutgers (along with Virginia) certainly was akin an Ivy back then - but then again, the Ivy didn't exist until 1957. I really think Rutgers took the wrong path at the fork. If New Jersey wanted to have an identifiable a "State U." it could have created one, and left Rutgers alone.

And to think, Rutgers "coulda been in the PL . . ."

You and me both. Envision a Patriot League with Army, Colgate, Bucknell, Fordham, Holy Cross, Lafayette, Lehigh, Navy and Rutgers. A fine "Ancient Eight" in its own right.

[Bill]

Gate

Not a bad league - but I think over time the academic and institutional differences would have forced separation anyway. I could be slightly off, but I think Rutgers has a larger enrollment than the entire PL combined!

[Bogus Megapardus]

You and me both. Envision a Patriot League with Army, Colgate, Bucknell, Fordham, Holy Cross, Lafayette, Lehigh, Navy and Rutgers. A fine "Ancient Eight" in its own right.

A "Noble Nine" by my count. xcoolx

[Go...gate]

A "Noble Nine" by my count. xcoolx

One of the reasons I majored in Politics and English and not Math. :D

[Go...gate]

Gate

Not a bad league - but I think over time the academic and institutional differences would have forced separation anyway. I could be slightly off, but I think Rutgers has a larger enrollment than the entire PL combined!

They surely do now. I think they are over 47,000 now, correct?

[Pard4Life]

Yep, ye olde Middle Three.

[Bogus Megapardus]

They surely do now. I think they are over 47,000 now, correct?

In 1956, the year in which it became a public institution, Rutgers graduated 564 seniors according to the "Scarlet Letter" yearbook from that year. That would make Rutgers then roughly the size that Lafayette is now. That also was the prime of the Middle Three Conference.

Today Rutgers has about 59,000 students.

[Pard4Life]

Rutgers' campus is awful. I recall visiting there for various competitions while in high school. In short, Rutgers became my benchmark for what I did not want in a college. Thank you, Rutgers! xthumbsupx

[Bogus Megapardus]

Just an odd Lafayette-Lehigh musing before we get back to our regularly-scheduled discussion.

The decision to hold the one hundred fiftieth playing of the Lafayette-Lehigh game at Yankee Stadium ultimately was made by those institutions' presidents, Dan Weiss and Alice Gast. Neither will hold their respective position when the game actually is played. One can't help but to wonder if they knew that at the time.

What are the odds that one or the other actually will take the time to attend the game? Was the decision calculated to deliver a humungous *Eff-Ewe* from the both of them?

[ngineer]

Just an odd Lafayette-Lehigh musing before we get back to our regularly-scheduled discussion.

The decision to hold the one hundred fiftieth playing of the Lafayette-Lehigh game at Yankee Stadium ultimately was made by those institutions' presidents, Dan Weiss and Alice Gast. Neither will hold their respective position when the game actually is played. One can't help but to wonder if they knew that at the time.

What are the odds that one or the other actually will take the time to attend the game? Was the decision calculated to deliver a humungous *Eff-Ewe* from the both of them?

As for Weiss, he was certainly on his way out the door when the decision was made to cut and run to the Main Line. However, I don't think Gast's decision arose until late this year as she was not looking to leave Lehigh, but was approached for the opening in London. The decision to move #150 to Yankee Stadium was cemented back in late 2012, as I recall the announcement was around the time of #148 at Fisher.

[Sader87]

I'm just looking forward to the many confused looks of natives and patrons of the South Bronx asking/telling one another: "Who did you say was playing in the Stadium today....is that for the NYC HS Championship????"

[Bogus Megapardus]

I'm just looking forward to the many confused looks of natives and patrons of the South Bronx asking/telling one another: "Who did you say was playing in the Stadium today....is that for the NYC HS Championship????"

Fair enough. But they've already sold 42,000 tickets (http://www.goleopards.com/genrel/011414aaa.html) and the game is still ten months away. Them's Big East numbers.

[Sader87]

Just bustin'.....those are impressive numbers. Been a clamor for HC to get a football game at Fenway. While it would be sort of cool/novel, I much prefer a game on campus (home and away) and though Fenway is a "home away from home" it's a terrible place to watch a football game.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Fair enough. But they've already sold 42,000 tickets (http://www.goleopards.com/genrel/011414aaa.html) and the game is still ten months away. Them's Big East numbers.

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2014/01/eleven-months-away-and-rivalry150.html

To put this in perspective, it is within the realm of possibility (dare I say likely?) that this out-draws the attendance of the bowl game last year in Yankee Stadium, the Pinstripe Bowl, featuring Rutgers facing off against Notre Dame (attendance: 47,122).

[Go...gate]

Rutgers' campus is awful. I recall visiting there for various competitions while in high school. In short, Rutgers became my benchmark for what I did not want in a college. Thank you, Rutgers! xthumbsupx

What is sad is that back in the 1960's, New Brunswick wasn't too bad and the College Avenue campus was really nice (and very historic). NB went into a long decline but began to come back in the 1980's.

Rutgers' Chapel is really nice, and the old campus buildings are as geaceful as any you will ever see. The Busch Campus, on the other hand looks like 1950's era Soviet apartment housing.

[Go...gate]

Just bustin'.....those are impressive numbers. Been a clamor for HC to get a football game at Fenway. While it would be sort of cool/novel, I much prefer a game on campus (home and away) and though Fenway is a "home away from home" it's a terrible place to watch a football game.

I believe (I have to check) that Colgate played either BU or HC at Fenway once.

[ngineer]

As much as playing in Yankee Stadium is creating a great buzz for both schools, I hate football games played in baseball stadiums. Lousy sight lines and distance from the field. Representatives from both schools (didn't say whether academic or athletic) will be ringing the 'closing bell' on Thursday at the Stock Exchange.

[Bogus Megapardus]

I believe (I have to check) that Colgate played either BU or HC at Fenway once.

I was curious - a quick search shows that Boston University edged Colgate, 14-13, at Fenway Park on October 8, 1948.

http://fenwayparkdiaries.com/football/bu-10-08-48.htm

Apparently it came down to PATs and a pass interference call. So what else is new?

[Sader87]

Holy Cross and Boston College played against each other at Fenway for much of the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s. They also played at Braves Field at the time too. One of the more infamous games at Fenway was in 1942 when a heavily favored and Sugar Bowl bound BC was upset 55-12 by the Crusaders....at the time, considered one of the great upsets in college history. Ironically, it probably saved lives as the BC celebration was cancelled that night at the Cocoanut Grove...which then tragically had a fire that night:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoanut_Grove_fire

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

In other news, Fordham hoops is 0-3 in the A10 and 7-9 overall. Looking at their schedule, it's hard to see the Rams winning more than one or two games the rest of the year. Why oh why won't they return to the PL as a full time member? It's time to end the insanity....

[Franks Tanks]

When is Lehigh going to hire an OC and DC?

[Lehigh'98]

When is Lehigh going to hire an OC and DC?

Be announced shortly. Unfortunately, it won't be Norv Turner.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Unfortunately, it won't be Norv Turner.

Is that because Wannstedt already accepted? :p

[RichH2]

Staff announcement will be "momentarily". Not really sure what the time frame on that is tho;)
From a classical point of view Waiting for Godot might be a good read right now.xcoffeex

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Here's something you need to watch while waiting for Lehigh's OC and DC announcements to happen. Basically - stuff like this is what happens when Lafayette beats Lehigh in football once in the last six years.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E15RyYaPZ28

[Franks Tanks]

Here's something you need to watch while waiting for Lehigh's OC and DC announcements to happen. Basically - stuff like this is what happens when Lafayette beats Lehigh in football once in the last six years.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E15RyYaPZ28

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/bethlehem/index.ssf/2014/01/department_of_education_invest.html

Lehigh must be busy with federal invesigations and such.

[Bogus Megapardus]

In other news, Fordham hoops is 0-3 in the A10 and 7-9 overall. Looking at their schedule, it's hard to see the Rams winning more than one or two games the rest of the year. Why oh why won't they return to the PL as a full time member? It's time to end the insanity....

Trouble is, the PL (Basketball Edition) now stands at an even ten. Someone would have to get tossed to make room for Fordham. As much as Lehigh fans would love to see the Pards take the axe, I just can't see that happening. It would have to American U. or one of the noobies.






http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/9890/iv3u.png




"Your father and I prepped together, went to war together, played golf together.
We built this club, he and I. Let's face it. Some people simply do not belong."

[Bogus Megapardus]

Lehigh must be busy with federal investigations and such.

I'm going to have to defend Lehigh on this one. It looks an awful lot like the "Oberlin Incident" and all the other hoax vandalism that has been going on recently - stuff that was initiated by the supposed "victims." Tawana Brawleying?





EDIT: Read here the letter written by Susan Magaziner (Lehigh '77) who is leading the charge:


http://www.jbhe.com/2013/11/umoja-house-at-lehigh-university-vandalized-with-racial-slurs/

Consider the era from which Ms. Magaziner arrives with all of her awarenessing, protestment and hate-crimeing. As my dear Uncle Olaf used to say, perhaps she's read one too many books and Salon articles on the subject.





http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/6341/cqot.jpg


But then again, we should appreciate having Ms. Magaziner available to tell us all how to think and feel. After all, she's obviously much more intelligent and better evolved than anyone else. She's earned that right.

[DFW HOYA]

Trouble is, the PL (Basketball Edition) now stands at an even ten. Someone would have to get tossed to make room for Fordham. As much as Lehigh fans would love to see the Pards take the axe, I just can't see that happening. It would have to American U. or one of the noobies.

Fordham and (drum roll, please...) Monmouth.

The rivalry pairings go along the line of:

DC/Baltimore: American, Loyola
Academies: Army, Navy
Lehigh Valley: Lehigh, Lafayette
Rural & Upstate: Bucknell, Colgate
New England: Boston U., Holy Cross
Tri-State: Fordham, Monmouth

[Franks Tanks]

I'm going to have to defend Lehigh on this one. It looks an awful lot like the "Oberlin Incident" and all the other hoax vandalism that has been going on recently - stuff that was initiated by the supposed "victims." Tawana Brawleying?





EDIT: Read here the letter written by Susan Magaziner (Lehigh '77) who is leading the charge:

http://www.jbhe.com/2013/11/umoja-house-at-lehigh-university-vandalized-with-racial-slurs/

Consider the era from which Ms. Magaziner arrives with all of her awarenessing, protestment and hate-crimeing. As my dear Uncle Olaf used to say, perhaps she's read one too many books and Salon articles on the subject.




http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/6341/cqot.jpg




But then again, we should appreciate having Ms. Magaziner available to tell us all how to think and feel. After all, she's obviously much more intelligent and better evolved than anyone else. She's earned that right.



I will have to agree Bogie.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Fordham and (drum roll, please...) Monmouth.

The rivalry pairings go along the line of:

DC/Baltimore: American, Loyola
Academies: Army, Navy
Lehigh Valley: Lehigh, Lafayette
Rural & Upstate: Bucknell, Colgate
New England: Boston U., Holy Cross
Tri-State: Fordham, Monmouth



Not a bad hoops conference. At all.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Fordham and (drum roll, please...) Monmouth.

The rivalry pairings go along the line of:

DC/Baltimore: American, Loyola
Academies: Army, Navy
Lehigh Valley: Lehigh, Lafayette
Rural & Upstate: Bucknell, Colgate
New England: Boston U., Holy Cross
Tri-State: Fordham, Monmouth



That would be a very attractive league imo.

Monmouth has a REALLY nice arena. If the PL doesn't want the Beach Hawks perhaps the A10 will take them......

http://image.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com/pics32/800/KW/KWURTFFHCAXQMBG.20110516173847.jpg

[Bill]

Here's something you need to watch while waiting for Lehigh's OC and DC announcements to happen. Basically - stuff like this is what happens when Lafayette beats Lehigh in football once in the last six years.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E15RyYaPZ28

LFN - how dare you post this! I can't believe I wasted 3:26 of my life watching this video. I thought it was a joke...I hope....

[Bogus Megapardus]

Not a bad hoops conference. At all.

Then you'd have certain schools wanting to drop out and start their own conference. They would call it . . . I don't know . . . . the Patriot League, maybe?

[ngineer]

Ironic about this investigation being called for. Lehigh has taken tremendous efforts to 'diversify' the campus, to the extent you hear some alums complaining about the ignoring of other matters. When I entered there were 3200 men and barely 2% of what is classified as minorities. Now, its 45% female, undergraduate enrollment is 4750, and minority enrollement is approaching national ratios. Of course, when you have thousands of people, there will several idiots in the bunch who should be prosecuted for the vandalism; but to say that this is an institutional matter is nuts.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Ironic about this investigation being called for. Lehigh has taken tremendous efforts to 'diversify' the campus, to the extent you hear some alums complaining about the ignoring of other matters. When I entered there were 3200 men and barely 2% of what is classified as minorities. Now, its 45% female, undergraduate enrollment is 4750, and minority enrollement is approaching national ratios. Of course, when you have thousands of people, there will several idiots in the bunch who should be prosecuted for the vandalism; but to say that this is an institutional matter is nuts.

I'll bet my tickets to #150 that it's a hoax by someone looking for their 15 minutes and a chance to "raise awareness." I'm sorry, but it's hucksters like Ms. Magaziner that are the problem, not Lehigh's policies.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Here's something you need to watch while waiting for Lehigh's OC and DC announcements to happen.

That's truly embarrassing. Even this part:




http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7978/j7a6.png


"Better than Lehigh" isn't really saying much. Philomena's College of Beauty and Massage Arts could say the same thing.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

That's truly embarrassing. Even this part:



http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7978/j7a6.png



"Better than Lehigh" isn't really saying much. Philomena's College of Beauty and Massage Arts could say the same thing.

What are those fish wrappers that I see behind that guy? Has Lafayette heard of something called the internet? xlolx

[RichH2]

Ironic about this investigation being called for. Lehigh has taken tremendous efforts to 'diversify' the campus, to the extent you hear some alums complaining about the ignoring of other matters. When I entered there were 3200 men and barely 2% of what is classified as minorities. Now, its 45% female, undergraduate enrollment is 4750, and minority enrollement is approaching national ratios. Of course, when you have thousands of people, there will several idiots in the bunch who should be prosecuted for the vandalism; but to say that this is an institutional matter is nuts.

Historical context sadly means little ,if anything, to the students of today. But even they should grasp reality. The Federal issue is based primarily. upon the fight instigated by a drunk LU student using racial epihets resulting in a fight and the suspension of the LU football player. It boggles the mind how this sad incident tranlates into an institutional matter. Ms,Magaziner's staements are an attemt to expand an isolated incident into a cause celebre for reasons best known to her but having little to do with the reality of diversity at LU

[Bogus Megapardus]

What are those fish wrappers that I see behind that guy? Has Lafayette heard of something called the internet?

I think they were filming in the Skillman Book Museum. It contains a number of those sorts of artifacts.

[carney2]

I peek in here only every 100 posts or so. (It's amazing how frequently that is in people time.) Each time it seems as if I've missed...absolutely nothing.

Keep up the good work.

[RichH2]

I peek in here only every 100 posts or so. (It's amazing how frequently that is in people time.) Each time it seems as if I've missed...absolutely nothing.

Keep up the good work.

xthumbsupx Well, we do try xlolx

[Go...gate]

In other news, Fordham hoops is 0-3 in the A10 and 7-9 overall. Looking at their schedule, it's hard to see the Rams winning more than one or two games the rest of the year. Why oh why won't they return to the PL as a full time member? It's time to end the insanity....

We need to get Fordham superfan "Rambacker" to participate on this board. I respect his love and passion for all things Fordham, but, good gravy, he HATES the PL with a passion. Claims that FU's brief time with our conference, now eighteen or nineteen years ago, trashed the Rams' BB programs forever. Sorry, but I'm not seeing it. Fordham has had a few good teams over the past 50-75 years, but they were never a perennial power, and certainly not when they were in the MAAC before they joined the PL.

Seems to me the PL is MUCH stronger in hoops with BU and Loyola. Rams would be a good fit for hoops - hell, Colgate can drop the sport and Fordham can slot right in.

[Go...gate]

That would be a very attractive league imo.

Monmouth has a REALLY nice arena. If the PL doesn't want the Beach Hawks perhaps the A10 will take them......

http://image.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com/pics32/800/KW/KWURTFFHCAXQMBG.20110516173847.jpg


It is beautiful, indeed. A great recruiting tool for their program and a facility in which everyone from the school takes pride.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

It is beautiful, indeed. A great recruiting tool for their program and a facility in which everyone from the school takes pride.

Walked in there after Lehigh played Monmouth this year, saw some of their team practicing, shooting hoops. It's weird to see such a beautiful monument to basketball, then to walk outside and see Kessler Field, a nice enough field, but nothing like the gym.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Walked in there after Lehigh played Monmouth this year, saw some of their team practicing, shooting hoops. It's weird to see such a beautiful monument to basketball, then to walk outside and see Kessler Field, a nice enough field, but nothing like the gym.

If, and they should, Lehigh renovates Stabler, Monmouth's arena is the template imo. Something very similar could be done given the current "square" style.

Monmouth, location and facility wise, makes perfect sense for the PL. I know there's some that strongly object and I understand their stance. My belief is that Monmouth can make the PL better and the PL can make Monmouth better. My guess is their applicant numbers would increase and their acceptance rates would decrease rather quickly. I can see 3 Series and A4's cruising around Monmouth's campus in no time, if they're not already....

On a side note, Colgate has some of the best student cars I've seen. Lots of Audi's, Subaru's, Volvo's etc. and enough token BMW's....

[Bogus Megapardus]

Monmouth, location and facility wise, makes perfect sense for the PL. I know there's some that strongly object and I understand their stance.

I don't think there's any way I can register my disagreement strongly enough.

And as far as cars go, I'm sure Monmouth has plenty of them. But they're not really needed at the residential campuses of the PL.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I don't think there's any way I can register my disagreement strongly enough.

And as far as cars go, I'm sure Monmouth has plenty of them. But they're not really needed at the residential campuses of the PL.

I think it would be hard to argue about location and facilities. It simply comes down to academics and past history....

[Bogus Megapardus]

I think it would be hard to argue about location and facilities. It simply comes down to academics and past history....

You might as well throw Rider U. and Farleigh Dickinson in there as well, then. Make it a trifecta,

[Bill]

You might as well throw Rider U. and Farleigh Dickinson in there as well, then. Make it a trifecta,

Sure - FDU can make the jump straight from DIII :)

[65 Pard]

I went to High School in Monmouth County NJ. Monmouth College was usually the safety school for those in the bottom 1/4 of our senior class.
Admittedly, that was many years ago, but compared to those venerable PL institutions, the academic and athletic tradition just is not there.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Sure - FDU can make the jump straight from DIII :)

FDU is DI. Its satellite campus plays DIII football, though. That's how they get around the Dayton Rule.

[Bogus Megapardus]

I went to High School in Monmouth County NJ. Monmouth College was usually the safety school for those in the bottom 1/4 of our senior class.
Admittedly, that was many years ago, but compared to those venerable PL institutions, the academic and athletic tradition just is not there.

This isn't a joke - I'm serious - kids who can't hack it at nearby Brookdale Community College end up at Monmouth U. these days because it's less demanding. The big push in athletics at Monmouth U., even though it really doesn't have the money to be doing it (endowment for 6,700 students is $57MM total), is to attract out of state athletes and thereby elevate its academic profile. The professors love it because the football team are the smartest kids in the class, by far. Again, I'm not kidding.

Other than a basketball facility that they can't afford, what exactly would Monmouth U. bring to the PL?

[Sader87]

Other than a basketball facility that they can't afford, what exactly would Monmouth U. bring to the PL?

Never been there, but it's near the beach right? Admittedly not as good as the beaches in Massachusetts (not the ones in Worchester xrotatehx)

[ngineer]

I heard Seinfeld is interested in acquiring the rights to this thread...

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

This isn't a joke - I'm serious - kids who can't hack it at nearby Brookdale Community College end up at Monmouth U. these days because it's less demanding. The big push in athletics at Monmouth U., even though it really doesn't have the money to be doing it (endowment for 6,700 students is $57MM total), is to attract out of state athletes and thereby elevate its academic profile. The professors love it because the football team are the smartest kids in the class, by far. Again, I'm not kidding.

Other than a basketball facility that they can't afford, what exactly would Monmouth U. bring to the PL?

I didn't realize that Monmouth's reputation is as bad as you're portraying it. Granted, when I was high school, about 15 years ago, it was a school that was never brought up by any of my fellow classmates. The first time I heard of Monmouth was when Lehigh played them in 1999.

How in the world did Lehigh and Lafayette survive their time in the ECC? It wasn't THAT long ago that most of the PL schools held athletic ties to Rider, Towson, Drexel etc. For Holy Cross and Fordham it was the Siena's, Iona's and Manhattan's of the world.

Being an all-sports member smack dab in the middle of the league's footprint would be Monmouth's biggest selling point.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I will never understand why other Patriot League fans feel like a school's academics is perennially stratified, never able to improve.

I could never get into Lehigh now - Lehigh's academics have improved. I think we can accept that has occurred in all the schools in the PL (save Georgetown - their academics have always been really, really tough).

Why is that OK for the schools already here but not for Monmouth, Loyola, or even BU?

[Bill]

LFN

I agree - schools can certainly improve. Without completely blowing my internet cover :) , please just have faith in my answer - Monmouth's academics resemble Rider and Fairleigh Dickinson way more than the PL schools. Let's just say its something I have knowledge of!

[Bill]

I heard Seinfeld is interested in acquiring the rights to this thread...

I claim re-gift!

This was mentioned several dozen pages ago - come on, engineer, and get with the program! :)

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

LFN

I agree - schools can certainly improve. Without completely blowing my internet cover :) , please just have faith in my answer - Monmouth's academics resemble Rider and Fairleigh Dickinson way more than the PL schools. Let's just say its something I have knowledge of!

I always thought Rider was a pretty good school, similar to Marist or Fairfield. Perhaps their old ties to Lehigh skewed reality a bit....

[Bogus Megapardus]

How in the world did Lehigh and Lafayette survive their time in the ECC?

They didn't survive in the ECC.

This was the ECC as originally constructed:



http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7305/h4b3.png



Not at all a bad selection of schools in its time. Once the A10 was created, the ECC fell apart and the Patriot League came to be. Both Gettysburg and Rutgers took a wrong turn in the late 1970s, IMHO.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

It didn't survive in the ECC.

This was the ECC as originally constructed:

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7305/h4b3.png



Not at all a bad selection of schools in its time. Once the A10 was created, the ECC fell apart and the Patriot League came to be. Both Gettysburg and Rutgers took a wrong turn in the late 1970s, IMHO.

Towson was definitely in the ECC. Lehigh beat the Tigers in the '88 ECC Final. From there, Lehigh, advanced to the NCAA tourney where they faced #1 Temple. I could have sworn Rider was in the league too. I know I saw Lehigh play in their tiny gym/theater......

[Bogus Megapardus]

That list is the original, charter members beginning in 1958. Towson was in the ECC from 1983 - 1992. American U., Rider and Hofstra also were in the ECC at various times in the 70s and 80s.

[Sader87]

Speaking of the ECC, we coulda been in the Big East for basketball.....

[Bogus Megapardus]

Speaking of the ECC, we coulda been in the Big East for basketball.....

You know what? Looking back, I think we can say that we coulda been in the A-10! xlolx

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Towson was definitely in the ECC. Lehigh beat the Tigers in the '88 ECC Final. From there, Lehigh, advanced to the NCAA tourney where they faced #1 Temple. I could have sworn Rider was in the league too. I know I saw Lehigh play in their tiny gym/theater......

I looked a bit into the history of the ECC at one time and basically concluded that the ECC was a holding conference for Temple or St. Joe's to basically win every year and make the NCAA Tournament. Jack Ramsay was the legendary coach of St. Joe's and made them into a national powerhouse. Lehigh, Lafayette, Bucknell, Gettysburg were basically window dressing, expected to basically suck. Lafayette had a stretch where they made a run at Temple and St. Joe's, but didn't quite get there. Lehigh was a "wrestling school" over the winter and mostly stunk.

When Temple and St. Joe's left (and LaSalle, eventually), the league was a shell of what it was. That's when Rider, Hofstra, American, and Towson jumped aboard, I think, making the ECC a low-major, but filled with more similar programs that were all (in retrospect) up-and-coming, for the most part, hoops schools.

[Franks Tanks]

You know what? Looking back, I think we can say that we coulda been in the A-10! xlolx


Exactly. Sader87 often notes that Holy Cross was in a hoops league far superior to other PL schools when the PL was formed, but Lafayette, Lehigh and Bucknell played in a league that was probably every bit as good.

[Sader87]

Exactly. Sader87 often notes that Holy Cross was in a hoops league far superior to other PL schools when the PL was formed, but Lafayette, Lehigh and Bucknell played in a league that was probably every bit as good.

Ummm....no. We weren't in a league in the 50s, 60s and 70s but we were regularly playing schools like not only St Joe's and Temple but all the Eastern and some national basketball powerhouses every year. I will grant you that once we joined the ECAC North and then MAAC, we were on the same level basically as the PL today.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Ummm....no. We weren't in a league in the 50s, 60s and 70s but we were regularly playing schools like not only St Joe's and Temple but all the Eastern and some national basketball powerhouses every year. I will grant you that once we joined the ECAC North and then MAAC, we were on the same level basically as the PL today.

While searching through The Lafayette (in order to show that the Pards played every bit as challenging a basketball schedule as Holy Cross back in "the day" - which they did), I came across this incredible, AGS-worthy tongue-in-cheek "post" from December 3, 1935:

http://cdm.lafayette.edu/cgi-bin/getimage.exe?CISOROOT=/newspaper&CISOPTR=13209&DMSCALE=50&DMWIDTH=1500&DMHEIGHT=1841&DMX=0&DMY=645&DMCROP=686,446,604,1358

So we Pards were every bit as snarky then as we are now. And Lafayette was at least 11 touchdowns better than Ohio State. Some things never change!

[Go...gate]

I didn't realize that Monmouth's reputation is as bad as you're portraying it. Granted, when I was high school, about 15 years ago, it was a school that was never brought up by any of my fellow classmates. The first time I heard of Monmouth was when Lehigh played them in 1999.

How in the world did Lehigh and Lafayette survive their time in the ECC? It wasn't THAT long ago that most of the PL schools held athletic ties to Rider, Towson, Drexel etc. For Holy Cross and Fordham it was the Siena's, Iona's and Manhattan's of the world.

Being an all-sports member smack dab in the middle of the league's footprint would be Monmouth's biggest selling point.

When I was growing up it was a junior college. Great location and improving campus, but they badly lag the rest of the league academically.

[Go...gate]

They didn't survive in the ECC.

This was the ECC as originally constructed:


http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7305/h4b3.png



Not at all a bad selection of schools in its time. Once the A10 was created, the ECC fell apart and the Patriot League came to be. Both Gettysburg and Rutgers took a wrong turn in the late 1970s, IMHO.

Thanks for posting, and I agree with your observations re: Gettysburg and Rutgers.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

As another week comes to an end, Lehigh remains without an OC and a few position coaches. Is officially time to panic? I can't help but think this is getting ridiculous. Cecchini has been gone over a month. Coen made it seem like people were beating down his door. In truth, all the door has done is hit people on the butt on the way out....

Signing day is in 19 days?

[Lehigh'98]

Calm down Owl!!! Things are happening. Seahawks DC, Broncos OC, just waiting til the Super Bowl is over... Belichick may be the asst head coach...... Or we may get a D2 coach, not much diff.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Calm down Owl!!! Things are happening. Seahawks DC, Broncos OC, just waiting til the Super Bowl is over... Belichick may be the asst head coach...... Or we may get a D2 coach, not much diff.

I figured I'd take the Carney approach to really drive home the point. Besides, someone was due to rehash the question xrotatehx

[Sader87]

Will someone please take the Lehigh OC position???? For the love of Christ, this can't go on much longer.....

[RichH2]

Will someone please take the Lehigh OC position???? For the love of Christ, this can't go on much longer.....

xlolx From your mouth to God's earxthumbsupx

[ngineer]

When did the coaches' convention end. Me thinks Coen had a raft of resumes arrive and keep in mind the usual merry-go-round these various assistants go through every year or so. So while he's vetting/interviewing candidates, those guys, too, are looking at more than one opportunity out there. However, knowing the recent past, I would think that Andy had a 'short list' in his desk of candidates for OC, since Cecchini had almost left the past two years. He's had it easy the past few years with little staff movement. At our level, to have three years or so of staff consistency is a blessing. With the time being taken, one really hopes he 'gets it right' with these new appts.

[Bogus Megapardus]

I though you guys still had a basketball assistant mop boy position to fill. No updates? Status of interviews? Can we expect at least a highlight reel?

[ngineer]

With big visitation weekend coming up next week, I would expect an announcement by Wednesday. L-L b-ball game next Saturday at Stabler.

[RichH2]

Convention ended Wed. No doubt Andy had a short list but dont forget many may already have spots. History OC slot at LU has been filled in house or hiring an OC with experience at the position. Current spec is he is looking at a "young coach" whatever that means.

[Lehigh'98]

A young coach could be a mistake given the dynamic of the rest of the coaching staff.

[RichH2]

A young coach could be a mistake given the dynamic of the rest of the coaching staff.

Ceech is a "young" coach. Cant have all graybeards xthumbsupx

[Lehigh'98]

What I'm saying is they have 2 coaches on the offense who could fill the OC position already on staff. If they bring in say, a 35 yr old small ball head coach, it could cause some strife there.

[RichH2]

What I'm saying is they have 2 coaches on the offense who could fill the OC position already on staff. If they bring in say, a 35 yr old small ball head coach, it could cause some strife there.

Perhaps but talent still more important than age. If present asst is the one then promote him. If applicant is better hire him. Loyalty is admirable but the best person for the slot is primary.

[Franks Tanks]

Could former CCSU head coach Jeff McInerney be in play for DC? He is from Bethlehem, and it could be a good next move for him after getting fired.

I hope Faragalli is not the next Lehigh OC. I like Mike and would hate to root against him.

[aceinthehole]

Could former CCSU head coach Jeff McInerney be in play for DC? He is from Bethlehem, and it could be a good next move for him after getting fired.

I hope Faragalli is not the next Lehigh OC. I like Mike and would hate to root against him.

For the record, McInerney stepped down with a few years on his contract. Sure, there was likely going to be a tough and candid discussion with him and the AD after the season ended, but he was not fired and I have no indication that he was actually going to be let go. He had said that at "bigger" opportunity was in the works - I'm assuming that would be as a FBS assistant or some type of scout for NFL team - so I don't see him taking a FCS position.

[Franks Tanks]

For the record, McInerney stepped down with a few years on his contract. Sure, there was likely going to be a tough and candid discussion with him and the AD after the season ended, but he was not fired and I have no indication that he was actually going to be let go. He had said that at "bigger" opportunity was in the works - I'm assuming that would be as a FBS assistant or some type of scout for NFL team - so I don't see him taking a FCS position.

Just like Mack Brown resigned!

Maybe he wasn't actually fired, but FCS HC is a better job than NFL scout, and batter than SOME NFL assistant jobs. He seems like a solid coach- I hope he lands in a good place.

[Bogus Megapardus]

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[Lehigh Football Nation]

For the record, McInerney stepped down with a few years on his contract. Sure, there was likely going to be a tough and candid discussion with him and the AD after the season ended, but he was not fired and I have no indication that he was actually going to be let go. He had said that at "bigger" opportunity was in the works...

To me that sounds like Lehigh DC xlolx

[Bogus Megapardus]

Stickers on or stickers off?







http://youtu.be/scIXrCbeouE





Bend a nice curve in that brim too, Peyton. And make sure you put the cap on straight. When I saw this last night I knew that, for me, it was the highlight of Peyton Manning's career.

[carney2]

Will someone please take the Lehigh OC position???? For the love of Christ, this can't go on much longer.....

So far, the job's been offered to Homer J. Simpson, Cosmo Kramer, Forrest Gump, and an unnamed chimp at the Philadelphia Zoo. All have turned it down. No rush. Recruiting season is as good as over.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

So far, the job's been offered to Homer J. Simpson, Cosmo Kramer, Forrest Gump, and an unnamed chimp at the Philadelphia Zoo. All have turned it down. No rush. Recruiting season is as good as over.

One does have to wonder how the program is operating with no real coaching staff in place. The fact that there seems to be some confusion on who's still employed is a tad worrisome as well. Weird.....

All I know is there is an AD in place who deeply cares about football. There's also strong support overall. If nothing else, history shows Lehigh gets it right far more than they get it wrong. I wish Temple's athletic department was as good....

[carney2]

Anyone care to rank the Patriot League coaches...with explanations? Here's the list, in alphabetical order by school:

Bucknell - Joe SUSAN

Colgate - Dan HUNT

Fordham - Joe MOORHEAD

Georgetown - Kevin KELLY

Holy Cross - Tom GILMORE

Lafayette - Frank TAVANI

Lehigh - Andy COEN

Not an easy task. In my mind there is no clear cut number 1...or number 7.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Anyone care to rank the Patriot League coaches...with explanations? Here's the list, in alphabetical order by school:

Bucknell - Joe SUSAN

Colgate - Dan HUNT

Fordham - Joe MOORHEAD

Georgetown - Kevin KELLY

Holy Cross - Tom GILMORE

Lafayette - Frank TAVANI

Lehigh - Andy COEN

Not an easy task. In my mind there is no clear cut number 1...or number 7.

1. Moorhead - I think he has the highest ceiling of all PL coaches
2. Coen - Good recruiter, good leader, wins far more than he loses, weakness; a little TOO nice/loyal imo...
3. Tavani - good leader, not the best game day coach, done well given the support from administration imo
4. Susan - good recruiter, has infused talent imo...a little too "system" dependent...
5. Gilmore - not particular strong in any area besides being an emotional leader imo
6. Kelly - in a no win situation, worked miracles in 2011....
Hunt TBD....

I think the top 3 are pretty defined. Kelly might be a better coach than he's given credit for given what he has to work with. I'm just not sure what Gilmore is good at....

[Pard4Life]

The Cecchini is actually the real coach behind Coen's success theory will be tested often this year.

It's going to be Reed vs. Nebrich for PL OPOY. Hope he does not have a sophomore slump.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

The Cecchini is actually the real coach behind Coen's success theory will be tested often this year.

It's going to be Reed vs. Nebrich for PL OPOY. Hope he does not have a sophomore slump.

Coen is definitely a "CEO" type coach who needs to surround himself with good coordinators in order to succeed. In general, he's done a good job assembling staffs minus the first OC. If nothing else, Coen's background is in offense and he's now entering his 9th year as a HC. Hopefully experience and maturity work in his favor. There's no doubt this is a big offseason for Lehigh football....

[Franks Tanks]

Coen is definitely a "CEO" type coach who needs to surround himself with good coordinators in order to succeed. In general, he's done a good job assembling staffs minus the first OC. If nothing else, Coen's background is in offense and he's now entering his 9th year as a HC. Hopefully experience and maturity work in his favor. There's no doubt this is a big offseason for Lehigh football....

I noticed Dave Kotulski (or whatever) has been named DC at Vanderbilt. The Lehigh D hasn't been the same since he left. Agree that Andy's OC hire is super important.

[Sader87]

Although it's a very, very, very important hire....I would liken it in importance to Sen McGovern replacing Eagleton with Sargeant Shriver on the '72 ticket, can we chat about something beside Lehigh's OC for a bit?????

[Bogus Megapardus]

Although it's a very, very, very important hire....I would liken it in importance to Sen McGovern replacing Eagleton with Sargeant Shriver on the '72 ticket, can we chat about something beside Lehigh's OC for a bit?????

Simply no match for Spiro Agnew. Would have been much different had Bebe Rebozo gotten the nod instead.

[ngineer]

Coen is definitely a "CEO" type coach who needs to surround himself with good coordinators in order to succeed. In general, he's done a good job assembling staffs minus the first OC. If nothing else, Coen's background is in offense and he's now entering his 9th year as a HC. Hopefully experience and maturity work in his favor. There's no doubt this is a big offseason for Lehigh football....

That is true, and he was the OC for Higgins prior to Cecchini, and he was the OC at Penn, so he fully knows what the job entails.I'm wondering whether he doesn't go for more of a QB coach and he, himself, do the play calling ala some other HC's who call their own plays. Really. We're talking football not neurosurgery. The "OC" and "DC" aspects of coaching really didn't become in vogue until the 1990's. Dunlap and Whitehead didn't have OC's. They called their own plays. Certainly one of he O coaches was in the box talking to the HC what he was seeing and making suggestions, but I think football has become over-analyzed. Frequently, I thought Cecchini got 'too cute' this year trying to out-think the opponent and would go away from schemes that were working, thinking he'd catch the D by surprise. There were a number of WTF thoughts in my head this year after we had just moved the ball well for two or three plays. If the D isn't stopping what you're doing, why change. With our young QBs, I think a coach with solid QB background is most important.

[ngineer]

Although it's a very, very, very important hire....I would liken it in importance to Sen McGovern replacing Eagleton with Sargeant Shriver on the '72 ticket, can we chat about something beside Lehigh's OC for a bit?????

Simply "shocking"! (;-)

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

That is true, and he was the OC for Higgins prior to Cecchini, and he was the OC at Penn, so he fully knows what the job entails.I'm wondering whether he doesn't go for more of a QB coach and he, himself, do the play calling ala some other HC's who call their own plays. Really. We're talking football not neurosurgery. The "OC" and "DC" aspects of coaching really didn't become in vogue until the 1990's. Dunlap and Whitehead didn't have OC's. They called their own plays. Certainly one of he O coaches was in the box talking to the HC what he was seeing and making suggestions, but I think football has become over-analyzed. Frequently, I thought Cecchini got 'too cute' this year trying to out-think the opponent and would go away from schemes that were working, thinking he'd catch the D by surprise. There were a number of WTF thoughts in my head this year after we had just moved the ball well for two or three plays. If the D isn't stopping what you're doing, why change. With our young QBs, I think a coach with solid QB background is most important.

I completely agree...

The single biggest thing Cecchini did was bench JB Clark in favor of Lum. His ability to develop QB's and adapt an offense to their strengths was his biggest asset. The QB play was very erratic early in Coen's tenure. I'd argue that Threatt regressed considerably under Brown. He was a mess by the time his Sr. year concluded imo.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Although it's a very, very, very important hire....I would liken it in importance to Sen McGovern replacing Eagleton with Sargeant Shriver on the '72 ticket, can we chat about something beside Lehigh's OC for a bit?????

HC hoops is showing some promise. Could they threaten Boston U. and American?

[RichH2]

At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if Andy hired himself as OC.

[carney2]

1. Moorhead - I think he has the highest ceiling of all PL coaches
2. Coen - Good recruiter, good leader, wins far more than he loses, weakness; a little TOO nice/loyal imo...
3. Tavani - good leader, not the best game day coach, done well given the support from administration imo
4. Susan - good recruiter, has infused talent imo...a little too "system" dependent...
5. Gilmore - not particular strong in any area besides being an emotional leader imo
6. Kelly - in a no win situation, worked miracles in 2011....
Hunt TBD....

I think the top 3 are pretty defined. Kelly might be a better coach than he's given credit for given what he has to work with. I'm just not sure what Gilmore is good at....

No real problems with this order, but all have caveats:

MOORHEAD - Not enough games under his belt. Is it Joe or is it Nebrich who makes this go? No great strides on plugging the defensive holes.

COEN - He wins with Cecchini, but not so much without.

TAVANI - Where to begin with The Frankosaurus...

SUSAN - He's had enough time to make things turnaround, but so far...not so much.

GILMORE - It's looking more and more like it was Dominic Randolph and not Gilmore who made the program go.

KELLY - Forced to do it without little to no institutional support, so who knows.

[carney2]

It's going to be Reed vs. Nebrich for PL OPOY. Hope he does not have a sophomore slump.

Don't be ridiculous. Reed couldn't even get ROY this past season.xrolleyesx

[carney2]

can we chat about something beside Lehigh's OC for a bit?????

Apparently not. The Patriot League is all about the brownshirts, ya know.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Speaking of Lehigh, Pards just announced that Frank Tavani has been extended through 2016.

http://www.goleopards.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/012214aaa.html

[carney2]

Speaking of Lehigh, Pards just announced that Frank Tavani has been extended through 2016.

http://www.goleopards.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/012214aaa.html

On the surface this is a one year extension, but, as pointed out on the Lafayette board, the press release has unusual wording: "...at least through the conclusion of the 2016 season." Probably just means that there is always the possibility of further extensions, so not something to focus on IMO.

Two schools of thought here and the debate will rage:

Frank deserves it. He cleaned up after that "dropping football" mess just before the turn of the century, and the faithful are convinced that he is again turning things around after former College President, Dan Weiss, torpedoed the program in 2008.

This is a reward for mediocrity. Tavani's record over the past 4 years does not merit this kind of treatment.

Personally, I'm not a big Tavani fan. I know - absolutely know - that at least once each year he will put on his Frankosaurus suit and lose a game (probably more than one) that he shoulda/coulda won. Still, this looks like the right move for the program at the moment.

Back on topic: Does this mean that Tavani is no longer a candidate for the Lehigh OC job?

[lionsrking2]

Back on topic: Does this mean that Tavani is no longer a candidate for the Lehigh OC job?

I thought the "topic" was Lafayette at New Hampshire?

[ngineer]

No real problems with this order, but all have caveats:

MOORHEAD - Not enough games under his belt. Is it Joe or is it Nebrich who makes this go? No great strides on plugging the defensive holes.

COEN - He wins with Cecchini, but not so much without.

TAVANI - Where to begin with The Frankosaurus...

SUSAN - He's had enough time to make things turnaround, but so far...not so much.

GILMORE - It's looking more and more like it was Dominic Randolph and not Gilmore who made the program go.

KELLY - Forced to do it without little to no institutional support, so who knows.

Pretty much agree on the comments. With Coen, it wasn't just Cecchini that helped the turnaround--although it was a BIG factor; but our defense finally gelled with Kostulski's 3-4 scheme which took a few years to kick in, and has slid the past two. It will be very interesting, now, to see how Coen moves forward on both offense and defense fronts with major changes in staff. If he continues a winnng tradition, he will cement his position for posterity and can stay until retirement if he wants. He's now around 50, so any 'move up' would have to come soon.

[ngineer]

On the surface this is a one year extension, but, as pointed out on the Lafayette board, the press release has unusual wording: "...at least through the conclusion of the 2016 season." Probably just means that there is always the possibility of further extensions, so not something to focus on IMO.

Two schools of thought here and the debate will rage:

Frank deserves it. He cleaned up after that "dropping football" mess just before the turn of the century, and the faithful are convinced that he is again turning things around after former College President, Dan Weiss, torpedoed the program in 2008.

This is a reward for mediocrity. Tavani's record over the past 4 years does not merit this kind of treatment.

Personally, I'm not a big Tavani fan. I know - absolutely know - that at least once each year he will put on his Frankosaurus suit and lose a game (probably more than one) that he shoulda/coulda won. Still, this looks like the right move for the program at the moment.

Back on topic: Does this mean that Tavani is no longer a candidate for the Lehigh OC job?Hysterical!xlolx

[ngineer]

I thought the "topic" was Lafayette at New Hampshire?

Yes, and Laughyette is still trying to mount a comeback (although I'm not sure Ms. Comeback is interested).

[carney2]

I thought the "topic" was Lafayette at New Hampshire?

While lionsrking2 slept.

[van]

Yes, and Laughyette is still trying to mount a comeback (although I'm not sure Ms. Comeback is interested).

xlolx reps for that one!

[RichH2]

xrolleyesxBack to Lehigh, Drew Folmar is new OC. Great choice IMO:)xthumbsupx

[Lehigh'98]

So the not so secret OC announcement is officially official??

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

xrolleyesxBack to Lehigh, Drew Folmar is new OC. Great choice IMO:)xthumbsupx

How often do D2 HC leave to be coordinators at the FCS level? I just haven't paid attention enough to notice....

His offenses were high scoring at Kutztown and he has experience as a QB coach. On the surface this seems like a good hire....

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

http://kubears.com/news/2014/1/22/FB_0122144308.aspx


1/22/2014 7:02:00 PM

KUTZTOWN, Pa. – Drew Folmar (http://kubears.com/coaches.aspx?rc=287) announced his resignation as head football coach at Kutztown University on Wednesday to become the offensive coordinator at Lehigh University, effective this Friday, Jan. 24.

Folmar directed KU's offense and coached its quarterbacks since 2009, and was promoted to Kutztown's head coach prior to the 2013 season. He turned the Kutztown offense into one of the most prolific units in NCAA Division II during his time at KU.

[Go...gate]

I think Hunt will do well, but he has big shoes to fill. History indicates that Colgate's long-term Head Coaches (Andy Kerr, Hal Lahar and Fred Dunlap) have, for the most part, been followed by mediocre or downright awful periods of football under their successor HCs (Paul Bixler, Neil Wheelright and Mike Foley)

[Sader87]

Wheels was stupendously mediocre at Gate...almost .500 every year. He was below average at HC but he does have some nice wins on his Holy Cross resume: 2 BC wins, almost 3 or 4. He also beat Air Force and Army at HC too:








Neil. S. Wheelwright Records by Year






Records by Opponent (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/coaching/alltime_coach_opponents.php?coachid=2731)















Year

Team
Win
Loss
Tie
Pct. PF PA Delta



1968 (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/coaching/alltime_coach_game_by_game.php?coachid=2731&year=1968)
Colgate (NY)


5

5

0

0.50000

208

220

-12



1969 (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/coaching/alltime_coach_game_by_game.php?coachid=2731&year=1969)
Colgate (NY)


5

3

1

0.61111

172

197

-25



1970 (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/coaching/alltime_coach_game_by_game.php?coachid=2731&year=1970)
Colgate (NY)


5

6

0

0.45455

198

288

-90



1971 (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/coaching/alltime_coach_game_by_game.php?coachid=2731&year=1971)
Colgate (NY)


6

4

0

0.60000

287

262

25



1972 (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/coaching/alltime_coach_game_by_game.php?coachid=2731&year=1972)
Colgate (NY)


5

4

1

0.55000

219

269

-50



1973 (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/coaching/alltime_coach_game_by_game.php?coachid=2731&year=1973)
Colgate (NY)


5

5

0

0.50000

295

264

31



1974 (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/coaching/alltime_coach_game_by_game.php?coachid=2731&year=1974)
Colgate (NY)


4

6

0

0.40000

220

318

-98



1975 (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/coaching/alltime_coach_game_by_game.php?coachid=2731&year=1975)
Colgate (NY)


6

4

0

0.60000

205

218

-13



1976 (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/coaching/alltime_coach_game_by_game.php?coachid=2731&year=1976)
Holy Cross (MA)


3

8

0

0.27273

204

327

-123



1977 (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/coaching/alltime_coach_game_by_game.php?coachid=2731&year=1977)
Holy Cross (MA)


2

9

0

0.18182

130

270

-140



1978 (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/coaching/alltime_coach_game_by_game.php?coachid=2731&year=1978)
Holy Cross (MA)


7

4

0

0.63636

258

201

57



1979 (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/coaching/alltime_coach_game_by_game.php?coachid=2731&year=1979)
Holy Cross (MA)


5

6

0

0.45455

174

179

-5



1980 (http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/coaching/alltime_coach_game_by_game.php?coachid=2731&year=1980)
Holy Cross (MA)


3

8

0

0.27273

163

228

-65









Totals
61
72
2
0.45926
2733
3241
-508

[Bogus Megapardus]

The Scarlet Knights announce the hiring of a new Strength and Fitness Coordinator.






http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/8838/k2h8.jpg




He coulda been at Lehigh . . . .

[Bill]

Thank God he wasn't.
18803

[Pard4Life]

The Scarlet Knights announce the hiring of a new Strength and Fitness Coordinator.





http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/8838/k2h8.jpg





He coulda been at Lehigh . . . .

I would have nominated that emblem of physical fitness known as Peter Jackson, who plays himself, Bombur, in The Hobbit.

[carney2]

Running out of gas. It has now officially been more than 24 hours since the last post. RIP?

[RichH2]

As you revived the thread one has to conclude that rumors of its passing were prematurexrolleyesx

[caribbeanhen]

The meaning of life would be easier to find than the meaning of this thread

[Bogus Megapardus]

Running out of gas. It has now officially been more than 24 hours since the last post. RIP?

I'm still not done with the local historic beer series. It's only halftime. Plenty of action left.

[Bill]

The meaning of life would be easier to find than the meaning of this thread

Actually, it's pretty easy to find the meaning of life
18810

[RichH2]

Life-- The present absence of death. Lenny Bruce cica 1957

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

#13 UMass 90 Fordham 52...

Talk really seems to be heating up about what to do about Ram hoops. Fordham CAN NOT compete in the A10 without a major upgrade in facilities. The administration needs to change their thinking as well. I'm not sure Fordham athletics can truly succeed until Father McShane moves on.

I'm surprised LFN has not done a mash-up on the debacle that is Fordham basketball. Fordham's situation in basketball is almost identical to the dumpster fire that is Georgetown football. I think Fordham HAS to leave the A10 if a new facility is not built....

[Sader87]

Temple hoop isn't exactly setting the world on fire this year either.....

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Temple hoop isn't exactly setting the world on fire this year either.....

Ohh we stink but it was the perfect storm given our injuries and a move to a tougher conference top to bottom (no Fordham's or GMU's), We're at least competitive. Plus, those 6 straight tourney appearances make this season a glaring anomaly. All signs point to a quick turnaround given what we have coming back. Dunphy had a of couple years like this at Penn and ALWAYS righted the ship. If he doesn't he will face A LOT of heat. Some already want his head. That's just crazy imo....

[ngineer]

Temple hoop isn't exactly setting the world on fire this year either.....

True dat; however, I caught their game with Cincinnati this afternoon and actually stayed with it to watch a tremendous comeback (down 19 in the second) t tie with 35 seconds to go, and then lose by 4. But contra Fordham b-ball, the Owls have had some more recent success.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

True dat; however, I caught their game with Cincinnati this afternoon and actually stayed with it to watch a tremendous comeback (down 19 in the second) t tie with 35 seconds to go, and then lose by 4. But contra Fordham b-ball, the Owls have had some more recent success.

We have no depth. Dalton Pepper and Anthony Lee are excellent players but everything else has been a revolving door. We lost forward Daniel Dingle (son of Umass star Dana Dingle) early in the year and could never figure out a way to replace him. Will Cummings, our starting PG, had a concussion a few weeks ago a missed some games. We've been relying on 3 frosh and 8 scholarship players. It's been a mess....