Any professional wrestling fans out there?

[blackfordpu]

May find it interesting that Kurt Angle has moved to the new brand, TNA wrestling. Anyone know why?

[AppGuy04]

What channel does TNA come on. Thats like minor league isn't it, compared to WWE

[blackfordpu]

What channel does TNA come on. Thats like minor league isn't it, compared to WWE

Seems to be moving up very quickly. Many big time WWE stars have moved over to TNA. Pretty much came out of nowhere.:confused:

[blackfordpu]

Comes on Spike TV.

[AppGuy04]

Seems to be moving up very quickly. Many big time WWE stars have moved over to TNA. Pretty much came out of nowhere.:confused:

WWE pretty much has a monopoly. And I'm sure TNA is much easier to deal with than McMahon

[UNHWildCats]

Seems to be somewhat atleast alligned with the NWA as they show Jeff Jarrett as NWA champion on there.

http://www.tnawrestling.com/roster/index.html

[unknown-swac]

:nonono2: @ wrestling

[PantherRob82]

TNA? seriously?

[blackfordpu]

TNA? seriously?

Yea

http://www.tnawrestling.com/

[AppGuy04]

I think he was thinking Tits N Ass

[blackfordpu]

I think he was thinking Tits N Ass

I'm sure he was.:rotateh:

[mtgrizfan4life]

Speaking of TNA, did anyone see the ending of ECW tonight? WOW, not much left for the imagination! They pushed it about as far as cable can in the USA. I wonder if they will have it on CD uncensored?

[GeauxLions94]

Speaking of TNA, did anyone see the ending of ECW tonight? WOW, not much left for the imagination! They pushed it about as far as cable can in the USA. I wonder if they will have it on CD uncensored?

Are you still taking about Boobies and xazzx

[CoastalFan2005]

May find it interesting that Kurt Angle has moved to the new brand, TNA wrestling. Anyone know why?

Generally when someone recieveing the push that Kurt Angle was once getting in the WWE falls down to TNA or another lower organization, it means that they were either having drug problems or really, really pissed someone in the office off. More often than not, unfortunately, drugs are the issue. Jeff Hardy, who just returned to the WWE recently, spent a large amount of time in TNA while getting his life straight after a drug addiction.

[JALMOND]

I don't watch much WWE wrestling. I believe that McMahon ruined the whole concept of professional wrestling, turning it into more of a sideshow and a soap opera concept than actual "wrestling". Nowadays, it is really no different than any other TV show out there, with plotlines and dialogue. Hardly wrestling anymore.

Portland has their own wrestling show, on community access TV here. Very barebones, but good entertainment. Reminds me of the wrestling shows when I grew up, with Gordon Solie on WTBS. Very little glitter and the girls keep their clothes on. That is more like family entertainment to me.

Good history, too, as both Roddy Piper and Nick Bochwinkle both came from Portland wrestling a long time ago. Ric Flair also wrestled on Portland wrestling in the early '70s.

[TexasTerror]

Okay, wrestling insider here...

Angle had a falling out with WWE. He was not happy at all with how things were going in WWE, namely falling to ECW. Angle in fact was not too stable anymore which is why WWE pushed him the other way, also adding a 'credible name' to ECW.

He was let go from WWE due to "personal reasons" and discussed a move to MMA (mixed martial arts) publicly. Ended up in TNA where he won't be on the road as much (they tape two shows a week)...

TNA is actually not that bad in terms of wrestling. They've (outside of their top matches which includes Jarrett repetitively and a guy like Kane named Abyss) put together a good show. It's the storylines that are stale, especially since they rehash a lot of old WWF/E storylines.

[HIU 93]

Seems to be moving up very quickly. Many big time WWE stars have moved over to TNA. Pretty much came out of nowhere.:confused:

TNA did not come out of nowhere. TNA is what used to be known as Mid-South wrestling in the 1970's and 80's (Jerry Lawler's promotion) and then was known as USWA in the 1990's (Jim Cornett and Jerry Jarrett's promotion). It was always a part of the National Wrestling Alliance. When the NWA was "sold" by Jim Crockett (who didn't have the authority to do so) to Ted Turner in 1988 (and subsequently turned into WCW), the remaining territories of the NWA either went completely independent or continued under the name National Wrestling Association. That NWA won a lawsuit (later in the 90's) and was allowed to retain use of the name National Wrestling Alliance. In the late 1990's, when Jeff Jarrett completely divorced himself from WCW and WWF, he, along with his father Jerry, Jim Cornett, and other investors formed NWA TNA from the ashes of the USWA (sold to WWF). TNA has a large cult following, similar to the old ECW. The brand is MUCH more entertaining than the WWE (IMHO), and the only thing keeping it from REALLY competing with the WWE is a better time slot (it currently airs at 11PM Thursday on Spike).

[goasu984Life]

TNA is moving to primetime in November. There is talk of making it two hours instead of one, which I think will really help it.

http://www.tnawrestling.com/ads/impact/angledebutbox.gif

[AppGuy04]

TNA is moving to primetime in November. There is talk of making it two hours instead of one, which I think will really help it.

http://www.tnawrestling.com/ads/impact/angledebutbox.gif

might have to check it out

[jstate83]

Jeff Jarret along with Dusty Rhodes and others, started TNA Wrestling when Vince McMahan bought out all the others.

The wrestlers you see on TNA are the one's the WWE did not sign................Sting, Luger was there, The Stiners, etc.

It came on PPV for the first year or so then moved to FOXSportSouth for about a year.

Now they are on Spike.

Jeff Hardy was over there after he was let go by Vince McMann for drug use.
He cleaned up his act and I guess Vince McMann gave him another chance since he is back on Smackdown now.

[AppGuy04]

I'm guessing the WWE guys get paid much better

[goasu984Life]

Jeff Hardy was over there after he was let go by Vince McMann for drug use.
He cleaned up his act and I guess Vince McMann gave him another chance since he is back on Smackdown now.

Jeff Hardy is on Raw. Matt Hardy is on Smackdown. Jeff Hardy is the new Intercontinental Champion.



I'm guessing the WWE guys get paid much better

The WWE guys make more money than the TNA guys in the actual company, but the TNA guys don't travel as much (their TV tapings are always in the same place), and they have the freedom to take independent bookings if they want. The WWE guys are solely on the WWE roster.

[AppGuy04]

The WWE guys have got to be making atleast 6 figures, especially guys like Cena

[goasu984Life]

Easily six figures. I'm sure Angle is making six figures at TNA. He got a "Sting" deal, which is he wrestles only occasionally and he gets a huge sum of money. Angle was hurt so much that he needed the time off the road, and he needed to wrestle as infrequently as possible. All of this makes him a perfect fit for TNA.

[HIU 93]

The WWE guys have got to be making atleast 6 figures, especially guys like Cena

Cena is actually into seven figures, especially with the album and the movie. WWE contracts can actually be as low as $50K. The Rock and Hulk Hogan have been the highest paid WWF/E wrestlers, at times their contracts have exceeded $5 million. Triple H is probably in the $2-$3 million range (McMahon's son in law), and Flair is around $1 million. Most of your stars, however, make around $750K.

[AppGuy04]

Cena is actually into seven figures, especially with the album and the movie. WWE contracts can actually be as low as $50K. The Rock and Hulk Hogan have been the highest paid WWF/E wrestlers, at times their contracts have exceeded $5 million. Triple H is probably in the $2-$3 million range (McMahon's son in law), and Flair is around $1 million. Most of your stars, however, make around $750K.

Yeah, I figured Cena was raking it in, but I was just referring to the wrestling aspect. 750K ain't chump change though

[HIU 93]

Yeah, I figured Cena was raking it in, but I was just referring to the wrestling aspect. 750K ain't chump change though

750 ain't chump change, but when you take into account that pro wrestlers have to pay their own travel and lodging (the stars are on the road about 300 days a year), are considered independent contractors (not employees), and have no group health, dental, or life insurance plans, then you can see where that 750K really is not a lot of money.

Cena's album and movie are part of his wrestling contract. They are produced under WWE Music and WWE Films, respectively. Vince McMahon is credited as executive producer on both. Cena receives a bonus from WWE according to how they both do. McMahon is an evil genius.

[AppGuy04]

750 ain't chump change, but when you take into account that pro wrestlers have to pay their own travel and lodging (the stars are on the road about 300 days a year), are considered independent contractors (not employees), and have no group health, dental, or life insurance plans, then you can see where that 750K really is not a lot of money.

Cena's album and movie are part of his wrestling contract. They are produced under WWE Music and WWE Films, respectively. Vince McMahon is credited as executive producer on both. Cena receives a bonus from WWE according to how they both do. McMahon is an evil genius.

I would say evil more than genius. He has a hand in everyone's money.

[HIU 93]

He has a hand in everyone's money.

You ain't lying about that.

[goasu984Life]

He has a hand in everyone's money.

I would think that would make him an evil genius.

Maria thinks he's an evil genius, too.

http://www.thewrestlinganswer.com/images/galleries/strippoker/19.jpg

[Reed Rothchild]

So how soon before TNA gets big and McMahon buys it out and ends it?

[AppGuy04]

So how soon before TNA gets big and McMahon buys it out and ends it?

I give it a year

[goasu984Life]

I don't know about that. I think McMahon realizes that competition is needed in the business. When WCW and WWE were battling it out, the product was great. After WCW went under, the product has gone downhill for the most part. There is definitely a need for competition, just for the fact that there needs to be a battle for fans. That pushes both companies. I think VKM is really hoping that TNA can get big so that there is competition.

[TexasTerror]

TNA has been around for awhile and has remained afloat. They've improved their TV time and such. The PPVs they do run have not been too successful and WWE's #3 show (ECW) still tops TNA's #1 show in the ratings.

I think TNA will thrive on it's own and until they get a quality spot on TV, will not do too much threatening to the WWE bottom line. I think the world needs a second premier wrestling company in the United States. We'll see how TNA does, but until they really do some house shows and make some noise on TV, they aren't that relevant as long as the WWE doesn't just go completely stale due to lack of true competition...

[blackfordpu]

I used to watch wrestling a lot but when Stone Cold walked out that seemed to be about the time the story lines started sucking.

[TexasTerror]

I used to watch wrestling a lot but when Stone Cold walked out that seemed to be about the time the story lines started sucking.

The storylines definitely went south when they botched the WCW/ECW "invasion" angle. That could've been an awesome angle and they ruined it. In fact, they ruined ECW once more when they brought them back, threw in quite a few WWE guys (Holly, Stryker, Big Show) and hurt the quality of the show. They really need to be building talent (i.e Knox and Thorn) instead of spending most of the show pushing old WWE 'stars' that never made it big...

[AppGuy04]

pushing old WWE 'stars' that never made it big...

don't they decide who makes it "big" with their storylines???

[TexasTerror]

don't they decide who makes it "big" with their storylines???

Not necessarily...

Storylines mean a lot, but the Great Khali for instance was pushed to the moon in the storylines, but he didn't really make it "big". He just was awful!

Other guys can make it big without the proper push that they probably deserve, like Chris Benoit for years until WWE gave him his proper due. Nice to see him back and already at it...

Same with Christian and Edge. Never 'big' in the main event storylines (until recently for both of them in their respective promotions), but they were pretty 'big'...

[goasu984Life]

don't they decide who makes it "big" with their storylines???

The fans also have a "say" in who is big. If the fans don't buy the gimmick, it doesn't matter how the storyline goes, the wrestler doesn't get big. The fans decide who is over, and the storylines decide who he/she is used.

[AppGuy04]

The fans also have a "say" in who is big. If the fans don't buy the gimmick, it doesn't matter how the storyline goes, the wrestler doesn't get big. The fans decide who is over, and the storylines decide who he/she is used.

I guess I can understand that. I think the fans bought into John Cena from the first time he wrestled.

[goasu984Life]

The fans started to turn on Cena for a while. He held the belt for so long, and it really looked like he was never gonna lose. Once he lost the belt, and started chasing it again (he eventually won it back), the heat that he had kinda died down.

[blackfordpu]

The fans started to turn on Cena for a while. He held the belt for so long, and it really looked like he was never gonna lose. Once he lost the belt, and started chasing it again (he eventually won it back), the heat that he had kinda died down.

That happens with any wrestler that holds the belt for a long time. They start to become a heel and then the writers turn them into a "bad guy" until they lose the belt, then they're good again.

[goasu984Life]

It wasn't really "heel" heat, it was more character heat. The whole Superman thing was kind of wearing thin.