MLB Offseason Moves

[AshevilleApp2]

Dave Dombrowski strikes!

Tigers send Prince Fielder and $30 million to Texas for Ian Kinsler.

Tigers get an everyday Second Baseman with a 4 year contract in the upper $60 million range (I think the number is correct.) He should provide solid defense and improved speed to the lineup. Maybe most importantly, they're out from under the crazy contract they gave Prince a couple of years back.

Texas gets a big bat for the middle of their lineup, and can now move Jurickson Profar into an everyday role. But they also inherit 7 years at $138 million (their share after the hit the Tigers took) in Fielders contract.

Prince gets to play in a hitter's park now.


This could end up working for both teams. But as a Tiger fan I'm really happy to see this.

[PaladinFan]

It's interesting (and rare) that two high profile players are traded for one another. Unfortunately for Braves fans, I thought Dombrowski was one of the ones that could be fleeced into taking Dan Uggla.

It isn't a deal that really gets me out of my chair, though. Kinsler is a good player, but he's on the back side of 30, signed through 2017, and has played his entire career in the MLB's top offensive ballpark.

The net gain for Detroit is on the salary front. Kinsler is not Fielder, and does not necessarily make the Tigers better on the field today. It will potentially help them free up cash to lock up a guy like Scherzer. You can do worse than building a team around Verlander, Scherzer, and Cabrera.

Not really an issue, but I do not think I'll ever understand these mega deals. Why sign Fielder in the first place if you realize two years later that you cannot afford to keep him and ensure your team will continue to succeed over the long haul? Especially for a big bodied first baseman whose numbers have, over the course of baseball history, just nosedive when they get into their 30s.

[Gil Dobie]

One point not mentioned is that Miggy can now move back to First Base.

[aces1180]

One point not mentioned is that Miggy can now move back to First Base.

My guess is he platoons with Victor Martinez at DH as well.

[AshevilleApp2]

It's interesting (and rare) that two high profile players are traded for one another. Unfortunately for Braves fans, I thought Dombrowski was one of the ones that could be fleeced into taking Dan Uggla.

It isn't a deal that really gets me out of my chair, though. Kinsler is a good player, but he's on the back side of 30, signed through 2017, and has played his entire career in the MLB's top offensive ballpark.

The net gain for Detroit is on the salary front. Kinsler is not Fielder, and does not necessarily make the Tigers better on the field today. It will potentially help them free up cash to lock up a guy like Scherzer. You can do worse than building a team around Verlander, Scherzer, and Cabrera.

Not really an issue, but I do not think I'll ever understand these mega deals. Why sign Fielder in the first place if you realize two years later that you cannot afford to keep him and ensure your team will continue to succeed over the long haul? Especially for a big bodied first baseman whose numbers have, over the course of baseball history, just nosedive when they get into their 30s.

I generally agree with what you say here. Kinsler seems to be a slightly better 2nd baseman than Infante, but he's not a huge improvement. The biggest plus for the Tigers is freeing up 70 some million dollars over the next several seasons. And as much as I like Fielder, I'm not sure how long he can play first base, meaning he'll be a 20 million dollar DH. But this also allows Cabrera to move back to first base. Depending on who they play at 3rd, (Castellanos maybe?), the overall defense should improve.

As far as the huge long term contracts, I agree. From what I understand that wasn't Dombrowski's doing. Mike Ilitch stepped in after it was apparent that Victor Martinez wouldn't play in 2012 and made the deal happen. Understandable, being that he is the Owner, in his 80's, and desperately wants a World Series Championship. I thought at the time that the Tigers basically had a three year window to win the World Series. I think/hope this gives them the financial flexibility to maintain the team for several years. It's all a crapshoot though.

[AshevilleApp2]

One point not mentioned is that Miggy can now move back to First Base.

xnodx

Doesn't sound like they are demanding it right now, but that is where he needs to be playing as he ages. The question is who fills the hole at 3rd? Nick Castellanos was a 3rd baseman, until they tried transitioning him to the OF after Fielder signed. He may be a good fit.

[PaladinFan]

I generally agree with what you say here. Kinsler seems to be a slightly better 2nd baseman than Infante, but he's not a huge improvement. Assuming the Tigers could sign Infante. The biggest plus for the Tigers is freeing up 70 some million dollars over the next several seasons. And as much as I like Fielder, I'm not sure how long he can play first base, meaning he'll be a 20 million dollar DH. But this also allows Cabrera to move back to first base. Depending on who they play at 3rd, (Castellanos maybe?), the overall defense should improve.

As far as the huge long term contracts, I agree. From what I understand that wasn't Dombrowski's doing. Mike Ilitch stepped in after it was apparent that Victor Martinez wouldn't play in 2012 and made the deal happen. Understandable, being that he is the Owner and in his 80's. He desperately wants a World Series Championship. I thought at the time that the Tigers basically had a three year window to win the World Series. I think/hope this gives them the financial flexibility to maintain the team for several years. It's all a crapshoot though.

Like I said, the Tigers could do worse than construct a team around perhaps the two best pitchers in the AL and the best hitter in the game.

I do think, though, that world series are crapshoots. I more or less agree with Billy Beane on this point, that a GM can get his team to the post season, but after that it is all left up to luck. Just keep enough talent in the line so you can withstand an injury, and hang on.

[Gil Dobie]

I generally agree with what you say here. Kinsler seems to be a slightly better 2nd baseman than Infante, but he's not a huge improvement.

Another plus is that Kinsler can leadoff and make better contact than Jackson.

[AshevilleApp2]

Another plus is that Kinsler can leadoff and make better contact than Jackson.

True.

[AshevilleApp2]

Like I said, the Tigers could do worse than construct a team around perhaps the two best pitchers in the AL and the best hitter in the game.

I do think, though, that world series are crapshoots. I more or less agree with Billy Beane on this point, that a GM can get his team to the post season, but after that it is all left up to luck. Just keep enough talent in the line so you can withstand an injury, and hang on.

Agree

[PaladinFan]

Phillies re-sign Carlos Ruiz for 3 years at 8.5mm per year with a club option for a fourth year.

It's no secret I do not normally agree with what the Phillies do from a personnel standpoint. However, I do like Ruiz. The contract is a bit longer than I would have thought, particularly for a 34 year old catcher that is really not a significant asset on defense. He's still a veteran presence and a fan favorite, and while Philly may have overpaid, it is well known that most of the MLB's big market teams are in the hunt for a catcher, so you probably have to give a little more to get him off the market.

[bonarae]

Freese to the Halos for Bourjos... xcoffeex

[AshevilleApp2]

Brian McCann to the Yankees for 5 years at $85 million.

[DSUrocks07]

Brian McCann to the Yankees

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/10026267/brian-mccann-agrees-five-year-85-million-deal-new-york-yankees

Braves gotta save up money for their share of the new stadium. The Jeffery Loria rule.

[TTUEagles]

Well, the Braves have a (supposed) stud at C waiting in the minors, Evan Gattis was maybe better than McCann defensively and has good offensive potential, so they are okay at the position. I thought Gerald Laird was way underrated this past season, as well.
Don't get me wrong, I loved McCann and wish he was still a Brave, but he's simply not worth a 4-5 year deal at his age, for an NL team...
This will make me hate the Yankees slightly less, though.

[DSUrocks07]

Well, the Braves have a (supposed) stud at C waiting in the minors, Evan Gattis was maybe better than McCann defensively and has good offensive potential, so they are okay at the position. I thought Gerald Laird was way underrated this past season, as well.
Don't get me wrong, I loved McCann and wish he was still a Brave, but he's simply not worth a 4-5 year deal at his age, for an NL team...
This will make me hate the Yankees slightly less, though.

He'll teach them the proper way to play baseball xlolx

[TTUEagles]

He'll teach them the proper way to play baseball xlolx

Yes, he was the protector of all 'unwritten' rules...

[AshevilleApp2]

Cardinals sign Jhonny Peralta for 4 years at something around $50 million.

I'll miss Peralta's bat in Detroit, he came through in the post-season unlike some others on the team. Best of luck Jhonny, unless the Tigers meet you in October. And keep it clean moving forward.

[PaladinFan]

The McCann move was expected. Love the guy, but the Braves weren't about to shell out that kind of coin for a catcher heading into his 30s with no hope of a designated hitter position.

As TTU noted, the Braves top position prospect is a catcher and they already have Gattis and Laird on the roster, so they are fine. They get a draft pick out of it as well.

Its a good deal for McCann also. It was long speculated he'd go to the AL where the DH is an option later in his career. Yankee Stadium fits him perfectly with their short porch in right. Might have a chance to wrap up a hall of fame career there.

[Fear the Bird]

The McCann move was expected. Love the guy, but the Braves weren't about to shell out that kind of coin for a catcher heading into his 30s with no hope of a designated hitter position.

As TTU noted, the Braves top position prospect is a catcher and they already have Gattis and Laird on the roster, so they are fine. They get a draft pick out of it as well.

Its a good deal for McCann also. It was long speculated he'd go to the AL where the DH is an option later in his career. Yankee Stadium fits him perfectly with their short porch in right. Might have a chance to wrap up a hall of fame career there.

xlolx How many homers do you think he will hit there? Very nice player and career but not hall of fame worthy

[NHwildEcat]

Where will Ellsbury land? All I know is it won't be in Boston.

I am getting worried more each day that Stephen Drew will end up with the Sox in 2014. I am losing sleep over it actually.

Now, Napoli I would like to get back; however, it sounds like Seattle might make a hard push at him and give him his desired 3 year deal. He may have to choose between 3 years or playing in defense of a World Series he just won.

These winter days drag on so when it comes to this news...

[TTUEagles]

xlolx How many homers do you think he will hit there? Very nice player and career but not hall of fame worthy

I have to agree. He's nowhere near HOF worthy in my opinion. He'd have to hit way over .300/30/100 for a few years to get close

[ngineer]

Phillies re-sign Carlos Ruiz for 3 years at 8.5mm per year with a club option for a fourth year.

It's no secret I do not normally agree with what the Phillies do from a personnel standpoint. However, I do like Ruiz. The contract is a bit longer than I would have thought, particularly for a 34 year old catcher that is really not a significant asset on defense. He's still a veteran presence and a fan favorite, and while Philly may have overpaid, it is well known that most of the MLB's big market teams are in the hunt for a catcher, so you probably have to give a little more to get him off the market.

I think this was a good move. The only real 'upgrade' to Ruiz that was out there was McCann, but he is a left handed bat, which the Phils don't need, plus more expensive. Ruiz is a very solid catcher and will be great mentor for top prospect Joseph. He's also greatly respected by the pitchers. Halladay is effusive in his praise for Ruiz. His bat is above average with some power and as pointed out, he's a fan favorite. They will need a veteran behind the plate with some young arms expected to be in the rotation and bullpen next year.

[AshevilleApp2]

Where will Ellsbury land? All I know is it won't be in Boston.

I am getting worried more each day that Stephen Drew will end up with the Sox in 2014. I am losing sleep over it actually.

Now, Napoli I would like to get back; however, it sounds like Seattle might make a hard push at him and give him his desired 3 year deal. He may have to choose between 3 years or playing in defense of a World Series he just won.


These winter days drag on so when it comes to this news...


Doesn't Boston have some SS prospect(s) ready for the majors? I thought that was the reason they were willing to deal Iglesias.

[PaladinFan]

I have to agree. He's nowhere near HOF worthy in my opinion. He'd have to hit way over .300/30/100 for a few years to get close

McCann is only 29, though it feels like he's been around forever. He'd still have a good bit to go to get in the HOF conversation, but his numbers are hard to ignore.

McCann is already seven time all star with five silver sluggers. He's had only two seasons where he did not hit 20 homers (and one was his rookie year where he had only 180 ABs).

Let's say he plays out his five year deal in NY, and roughly averages his career numbers over that span (I will also give him an offensive boost for playing half his games in a park that drastically favors left handed power). He'll end up somewhere with 644 walks, 1200 RBI, 1600 hits, and 300 + homers.

Those numbers would put him squarely in the conversation with catchers currently in the HOF. I'm not saying he's a HOF catcher, but the guy has been one of the top 5 offensive players at the catcher position since he came into the league.

[Gil Dobie]

Twins are going after pitching, Phil Hughes (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/4091/phil-hughes) will join Ricky Nolasco (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/178/ricky-nolasco) in a rebuilt Twins rotation, according to La Velle E. Neal III of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, agreeing to a three-year, $24 million contract on Saturday (http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/233955521.html).

[PaladinFan]

Twins are going after pitching, Phil Hughes (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/4091/phil-hughes) will join Ricky Nolasco (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/178/ricky-nolasco) in a rebuilt Twins rotation, according to La Velle E. Neal III of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, agreeing to a three-year, $24 million contract on Saturday (http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/233955521.html).

Yes, but that lineup.

[seantaylor]

Nats get Doug Fister for fluff.

[AshevilleApp2]

Nats get Doug Fister for fluff.

Good pickup for Washington, Fister will definitely strengthen the pitching staff. And he's under contract for two more years.

I expected at least one starter for the Tigers would be dealt this off-season, in order to make room for Smyly. Just a quick read looks like the Tigers got a solid left handed reliever, a utility player to replace Santiago and a (potentially) good left handed pitching prospect. And more payroll flexibility. I'm not wowed by the trade right now, but it could fill some immediate needs, while adding some long term starting pitching depth. I would think that they could have gotten more for Fister though.

[seantaylor]

Just a total fleecing. Can't remember a trade this much lopsided in recent history.

[NHwildEcat]

Doesn't Boston have some SS prospect(s) ready for the majors? I thought that was the reason they were willing to deal Iglesias.

Xander Boegarts. However, it depends on how much trust they have in Will Middlebrooks playing 3B going foward. Boegarts can play 3B if needed thus leaving the Drew situation as possible. My preference would be to use Boegarts at SS and Middlebrooks play 3B.

[PaladinFan]

Just a total fleecing. Can't remember a trade this much lopsided in recent history.

It's an interesting deal, but far from one sided.

Nats deal a switch hitting utility man that was their best player off the bench. In fact, he was the only Nats bench player that had anything close to a respectable season. They also deal a guy that was their only decent lefty out of the bullpen, along with a top five organizational prospect.

Yes, Fister is a good pitcher. Starting pitching, though, wasn't Washington's problem. In 2014 they will have a solid rotation (but they already had a solid rotation). They lose a valuable bench player and their only decent lefty out of the pen. It's a formidable rotation, but the holes in the roster really aren't addressed by this move. They essentially made their strength stronger, and their weakness weaker.

[Gil Dobie]

Good pickup for Washington, Fister will definitely strengthen the pitching staff. And he's under contract for two more years.

I expected at least one starter for the Tigers would be dealt this off-season, in order to make room for Smyly. Just a quick read looks like the Tigers got a solid left handed reliever, a utility player to replace Santiago and a (potentially) good left handed pitching prospect. And more payroll flexibility. I'm not wowed by the trade right now, but it could fill some immediate needs, while adding some long term starting pitching depth. I would think that they could have gotten more for Fister though.

Fister was good the first time thru the lineup, but started getting in trouble in the 4th and 5th innings in games I watched.

[DSUrocks07]

Salty to the Marlins 3yrs $21 mil

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[ngineer]

Phils have resigned Kevin Frandsen who has done a great job the past two years as one of the best utility players in the MLB. I don't think there's a position he cannot play. Reminds me of Cookie Rojas with some power.

[Gil Dobie]

Tigers still looking at Joe Nathan.

[UNHWildCats]

Yankees get Ellsbury for 7 years 153 million xlolx

[UNHWildCats]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bam6O9WCcAA0wFD.jpg:large

[seantaylor]

It's an interesting deal, but far from one sided.

Nats deal a switch hitting utility man that was their best player off the bench. In fact, he was the only Nats bench player that had anything close to a respectable season. They also deal a guy that was their only decent lefty out of the bullpen, along with a top five organizational prospect.

Yes, Fister is a good pitcher. Starting pitching, though, wasn't Washington's problem. In 2014 they will have a solid rotation (but they already had a solid rotation). They lose a valuable bench player and their only decent lefty out of the pen. It's a formidable rotation, but the holes in the roster really aren't addressed by this move. They essentially made their strength stronger, and their weakness weaker.

Are you serious? First, Ray was not a top 5 prospect. Stretch to even say he was top 10. Krol has no breaking ball at all, and got figured out after his first month. Lombo was a valuable bench player.


Now, the kicker is that Fister has been the 9th best starting pitcher in baseball the past 3 years according to WAR. 29 years old with two more years of team control. This was a fleecing.


What t it does is allow Ross Detwiler to go to the pen and become a dominant bullpen guy. Tanner Roark and Taylor Jordan for the 5th starter.

[AshevilleApp2]

Tigers still looking at Joe Nathan.

And apparently have signed him for two years.

[PaladinFan]

Are you serious? First, Ray was not a top 5 prospect. Stretch to even say he was top 10. Krol has no breaking ball at all, and got figured out after his first month. Lombo was a valuable bench player.


Now, the kicker is that Fister has been the 9th best starting pitcher in baseball the past 3 years according to WAR. 29 years old with two more years of team control. This was a fleecing.


What t it does is allow Ross Detwiler to go to the pen and become a dominant bullpen guy. Tanner Roark and Taylor Jordan for the 5th starter.

Of course I am serious.

You can personally rank Ray wherever you want to. Baseball America, ordinarily the official word on baseball prospects, has him ranked 5th. The Tigers didn't give up a top pitcher for a reliever and a utility man.

My point is not that Fister is something other than a very good pitcher. He is. My comment is just that Washington (despite lofty expectations) fell flat in 2013 due in large measure because they have an awful bench and an average bullpen (which is probably below average as there is no decent left handed reliever anywhere on the roster). The pieces they traded are expendable pieces, but they still have huge holes to fill and starting pitching wasn't one of them.

[seantaylor]

The Braves have far more holes to fill than Washington. Injury bug was the Nationals biggest hole by far.

[seantaylor]

Ray is a soft tossing lefty. Golito, Goodwin, , Cole, Purke, Solis, and Burns all better prospects than Ray.

[AshevilleApp2]

Ray is a soft tossing lefty. Golito, Goodwin, , Cole, Purke, Solis, and Burns all better prospects than Ray.

You may be right, but what I've been reading is that Ray is in the low to mid 90's with his fastball. Time will tell.

[AshevilleApp2]

Busy Friday.

Cano to the Mariners. 10 years / $240 million.

Beltran to the Yankmees. 3 years / $45 million.

Napoli resigns with the Red Sox. 2 years / $32 million.

Granderson to the Mets. 4 years / $60 million.

[PaladinFan]

Busy Friday.

Cano to the Mariners. 10 years / $240 million.

Beltran to the Yankmees. 3 years / $45 million.

Napoli resigns with the Red Sox. 2 years / $32 million.

Granderson to the Mets. 4 years / $60 million.

Yankees lose three draft picks and gain two.

[seantaylor]

Terrible move by the Mets. Still paying Bobby Bonilla

[PaladinFan]

Good grief. Roy Halladay retires at 36.

Always thought I would one day see him in the Hall. His career numbers are great, but not on par with some of the other dominant pitchers of the era. I wonder if spending most of his career with a generally bad Blue Jays team in a tough division will sway folks.

[PaladinFan]

Looks like Philadelphia is finally accepting their fate. Rumors are that they are trying to move Dominic Brown, Jonathan Papelbon, Cliff Lee, and and Cole Hamels.

Outside of Brown, I'm not convinced it will be that easy to move those salaries. Lee and Hamels are probably worth the investment for some teams. I'm not sure I'd take on Papelbon.

[seantaylor]

Nats really having a good offseason. Signed Nate McClouth foot the bench and traded for Jerry Blevins in the pen.

[Gil Dobie]

Interesting signing by the Tigers, former Yankee Joba Chamberlain.

[AshevilleApp2]

Interesting signing by the Tigers, former Yankee Joba Chamberlain.

To put it mildly! I hope the Tigers aren't through with upgrading the bullpen.

I like Davis though. It would be great to have gotten Choo or Beltran for left field, but a lot of money will need to be spent in the next couple of years to keep the core if this team intact.

[PaladinFan]

Nats really having a good offseason. Signed Nate McClouth foot the bench and traded for Jerry Blevins in the pen.

Both moves are the type moves I think Washington needs to make. I think they try to get too splashy with their moves much of the time. They need bench and bullpen help. Neither guy is an elite player, but they both help fill what I consider the largest gaps the Nationals - bench and pen (particularly left handed bench and pen).

[PaladinFan]

Atlanta has been typically quiet this offseason. Not a lot of holes to fill, as their biggest issue is getting two guys who had awful 2013 seasons (Uggla and BJ Upton) to play better.

They are looking like the favorite to resign Eric O'Flaherty, which will just bolster what is already the MLB's best bullpen. I imagine they will also start kicking the tires on whether they can lock up long term some of the young cornerstone pieces (Freeman, Heyward, Simmons, Medlen, Minor).

Most interesting undercurrent story of the offseason for the Braves is whether they would deal Craig Kimbrel. Kimbrel is the game's elite closer, entering his first season of arbitration where, frankly, there are no comparable players in the history of major league baseball. Atlanta is not the type to doll out $10m+ a season for a reliever, so one has to wonder if they might try to flip Kimbrel while the bullpen is deep and his market value is high.

[AshevilleApp2]

Looks like Omar Infante is heading to Kansas City. 4 years at around $30 million.

I like Infante and wish him well, but I hate that he's in the Central. KC should be strong next year.

[PaladinFan]

Braves make a few very "Bravesy" moves.

Signed a couple under the radar bullpen arms. Atlanta has developed one of the game's best pens the last four or five years, often relying heavily on rehabilitated castoffs.

Also signed Matt Gamel, a former top prospect in the Brewers organization. Spent the last several years rehabbing two torn ACL's, but was formerly a top 40 prospect in the game and should have a great opportunity to make the team as a corner infielder and power bench bat.

Appears also today Atlanta made a deal with Gavin Floyd. Lot of rumors that the Braves would be focused on getting a veteran pitcher. Floyd is a good mid-rotation arm, again rehabbing from injury, who has put up respectable numbers in one of the games toughest parks on pitchers. Should slot nicely into the Braves' talented young rotation.

Nothing flashy, but very Frank Wren like. Atlanta likes to go bargain shopping. Their player development and scouting departments are among the best in the game.

[TTUEagles]

Braves make a few very "Bravesy" moves.

Signed a couple under the radar bullpen arms. Atlanta has developed one of the game's best pens the last four or five years, often relying heavily on rehabilitated castoffs.

Also signed Matt Gamel, a former top prospect in the Brewers organization. Spent the last several years rehabbing two torn ACL's, but was formerly a top 40 prospect in the game and should have a great opportunity to make the team as a corner infielder and power bench bat.

Appears also today Atlanta made a deal with Gavin Floyd. Lot of rumors that the Braves would be focused on getting a veteran pitcher. Floyd is a good mid-rotation arm, again rehabbing from injury, who has put up respectable numbers in one of the games toughest parks on pitchers. Should slot nicely into the Braves' talented young rotation.

Nothing flashy, but very Frank Wren like. Atlanta likes to go bargain shopping. Their player development and scouting departments are among the best in the game.

I like the moves. Like you insinuated, it's not going to cause much of a ripple on the news wire, and I doubt non-Altanta fans will worry much, but it's getting some quality depth and it's low-risk for the Braves.

[PaladinFan]

I like the moves. Like you insinuated, it's not going to cause much of a ripple on the news wire, and I doubt non-Altanta fans will worry much, but it's getting some quality depth and it's low-risk for the Braves.

Absolutely. They don't need to do anything drastic. They'll be significantly better if they just fix the swings of Uggla and Upton, and that costs them nothing in the offseason.

Signing Luis Vasquez off waivers from LAD might be one of the most intriguing moves of the offseason. Atlanta has been phenomenal at transforming reclamation projects into top flight relievers. Kid throws sidearm and touches 97. If you can harness that you've got another nasty tool to add to a really deep pen.

[TTUEagles]

Vasquez stirred up quite a bit of pub. in the Dominican League: a 1.15 ERA pitching in 20 games, 19 K's/3 BB (15.67) innings. Luiz only allowed only four hits. As you said, sidearmer reaching the high 90's...If Venters can come back...!!!!!!

[PaladinFan]

Vasquez stirred up quite a bit of pub. in the Dominican League: a 1.15 ERA pitching in 20 games, 19 K's/3 BB (15.67) innings. Luiz only allowed only four hits. As you said, sidearmer reaching the high 90's...If Venters can come back...!!!!!!

You add Vazquez and possibly O'Flaherty back to a group with Kimbrel, Avilan, Walden, Venters, Varvaro, and Carpenter - watch out. That's mid-high 90s from both sides of the mound from about the 5th inning on.

[ngineer]

Interesting interview with Amaro yesterday. At one time he seems to imply that the Phils are still looking to 'do something' and that no one is 'untouchable' if the right deal was put in front of him; but then he seems to indicate that, other than a minor acquisition or two, that things are 'set' until he sees how some of the returning wounded look in spring training (i.e. Howard and Revere).

[gotts]

How can I get a contract like Mike Pelfrey? 2 yrs 11MM? Are you kidding me? Going to be another long year in Minneapolis with how much they've paid this rotation for its "potential."

[PaladinFan]

Interesting interview with Amaro yesterday. At one time he seems to imply that the Phils are still looking to 'do something' and that no one is 'untouchable' if the right deal was put in front of him; but then he seems to indicate that, other than a minor acquisition or two, that things are 'set' until he sees how some of the returning wounded look in spring training (i.e. Howard and Revere).

Matt Gelb with the Inquirer made some good points in a recent article. The Phillies are neither rebuilding nor contending. Seems like they need to either fish or cut bait.

[PaladinFan]

Braves make the Floyd deal official. Atlanta has had great success with reclamation projects (John Burkett, Freddy Garcia, John Thompson, Ben Sheets, Jorge Sosa, etc.) Lot of value in this opportunity for Floyd.

Still open ended on whether Atlanta makes a play for one of the big name starters on the market. Wren typically plays things very close to the vest and moves quickly.

[Gil Dobie]

How can I get a contract like Mike Pelfrey? 2 yrs 11MM? Are you kidding me? Going to be another long year in Minneapolis with how much they've paid this rotation for its "potential."

This is his second year removed from Tommy John surgery, which is usually telling of how good the pitcher will be. Twins are gambling, but he could be a good 3 or 4 guy in the rotation.

[gotts]

This is his second year removed from Tommy John surgery, which is usually telling of how good the pitcher will be. Twins are gambling, but he could be a good 3 or 4 guy in the rotation.

That's been the Twins problem for a while, they load the rotation up with guys that have a ceiling of a number 3 pitcher, and no higher.

[Gil Dobie]

That's been the Twins problem for a while, they load the rotation up with guys that have a ceiling of a number 3 pitcher, and no higher.

Very true

[PaladinFan]

That's been the Twins problem for a while, they load the rotation up with guys that have a ceiling of a number 3 pitcher, and no higher.

Not sure what direction the ship is going over there. Admittedly, it is hard for their rotation to get any worse, so making moves for mid-level starting pitching cannot hurt the team.

Most of Minnesota's top talent is positional. They appear to be sort of mirroring the road the Royals took a few years ago. Survive some lean years with a bunch of replacement players in hopes that all of the talent arrives at the same time. Then, when the iron is hot, trade depth for pitching.

[PaladinFan]

Interestingly, Braves and Twins cut a deal this afternoon. Twins get Sean Gilmartin and the Braves get Ryan Doumit.

Looks a decent move for both teams. Gilmartin was a former #1 pick for Atlanta that is still a top 10 organizational prospect, but has started to slide down the depth chart. Atlanta already has a young rotation, and a couple other high ceiling guys on the cusp of breaking in, so Gilmartin was a movable asset. He's a good get for Minnesota. Probably comparable to a Mike Minor in pitching style with less sexy stuff.

Doumit just helps fortify Atlanta's bench with a switch hitter who can play a couple of positions.

[TTUEagles]

I'm kind of surprised by this - I thought Gilmartin was the next big left-hander in the starting rotation to offset the RHP-heavy starting rotation. I'll admit I rarely pay attention to the AL, so not sure what Doumit has been doing - have not heard from him since he played regularly with the Pirates at C.

[PaladinFan]

I'm kind of surprised by this - I thought Gilmartin was the next big left-hander in the starting rotation to offset the RHP-heavy starting rotation. I'll admit I rarely pay attention to the AL, so not sure what Doumit has been doing - have not heard from him since he played regularly with the Pirates at C.

Gilmartin had a high ceiling, but from Atlanta's perspective, they have a current starting rotation that averages about 24 years old. They have two top prospects that will break in to the league at some point (Graham and Sims). All of that crowd is ahead of Gilmartin. He might not see the mound in Atlanta for another three years.

He strikes me as a guy like Saltalamacchia was for the Braves. Can he be a decent MLB player? Yes. Will he ever get that opportunity in the Braves system? Probably not.

Also, Alex Wood is a lefty that most in the Atlanta system seem to think will stay as a starting pitcher instead of going to the bullpen.

[seantaylor]

Braves are one injury in rotation from being in serious trouble. Still without an ace.

[PaladinFan]

Braves are one injury in rotation from being in serious trouble. Still without an ace.

Didn't have an ace last season either. They lost two starting pitchers and three key relievers for the season and still won the division by 10 games.

[Gil Dobie]

Interestingly, Braves and Twins cut a deal this afternoon. Twins get Sean Gilmartin and the Braves get Ryan Doumit.

Looks a decent move for both teams. Gilmartin was a former #1 pick for Atlanta that is still a top 10 organizational prospect, but has started to slide down the depth chart. Atlanta already has a young rotation, and a couple other high ceiling guys on the cusp of breaking in, so Gilmartin was a movable asset. He's a good get for Minnesota. Probably comparable to a Mike Minor in pitching style with less sexy stuff.

Doumit just helps fortify Atlanta's bench with a switch hitter who can play a couple of positions.

Minnesota did not have room for Doumit if he wasn't going to be a backup catcher. Nice hitter, should fit great in with the Braves. Pitching is the word for the Twins off-season. Hear they are still in the market for a catcher, Suzuki or Buck are names being floated.

[PaladinFan]

Minnesota did not have room for Doumit if he wasn't going to be a backup catcher. Nice hitter, should fit great in with the Braves. Pitching is the word for the Twins off-season. Hear they are still in the market for a catcher, Suzuki or Buck are names being floated.

Some in Braves country were wondering what the move meant (Atlanta already has two catchers on the roster, and their top positional prospect is a catcher), but as one writer put it "Doumit is a pinch hitter who happens to play catcher."

[Gil Dobie]

Some in Braves country were wondering what the move meant (Atlanta already has two catchers on the roster, and their top positional prospect is a catcher), but as one writer put it "Doumit is a pinch hitter who happens to play catcher."

In Minnesota they were saying he wasn't going to catch due to concussions.

[PaladinFan]

In Minnesota they were saying he wasn't going to catch due to concussions.

I didn't know about the concussions. I do know that he is generally considered awful defensively.

[TTUEagles]

Braves are one injury in rotation from being in serious trouble. Still without an ace.

No one is Strasburg-worthy, I'll give you that. But, I'll put Minor, Teheran, Medlen & 100% healthy Beachy up there against anyone...If Braves get Uggla and BJ to hit > just .225, it'll be a cake-walk division title again...

[PaladinFan]

No one is Strasburg-worthy, I'll give you that. But, I'll put Minor, Teheran, Medlen & 100% healthy Beachy up there against anyone...If Braves get Uggla and BJ to hit > just .225, it'll be a cake-walk division title again...

Braves have five starters that are pretty much in any rotation in the bigs. No elite ace, but it really is a question of whether it is better to have five guys with an ERA of 3.50, or 1 guy with a 2.70, one with a 3.25, and three with a 4.50.

I've always looked at pitching staffs as a 12 man unit. Atlanta has five good starting pitchers and an elite bullpen. That's a lot more quality arms coming at you than most teams can sport in a three game series.

[seantaylor]

No one is Strasburg-worthy, I'll give you that. But, I'll put Minor, Teheran, Medlen & 100% healthy Beachy up there against anyone...If Braves get Uggla and BJ to hit > just .225, it'll be a cake-walk division title again...

Nats are the favorites again to win the East

[Grizalltheway]

Nats are the favorites again to win the East

Weren't they favorites the last two or three years?

[seantaylor]

Favorites last year. Certainly not in 2012 when they won the East.

[ngineer]

Amaro supposedly shopping Papelbon, but at $26M owed for two more years, who would do that? Also reported Ryan Madsen may come back to Phils after his big rehab project, but with a minor league contract with a lot of incentives. If healthy, could be a real bargain.

[PaladinFan]

Amaro supposedly shopping Papelbon, but at $26M owed for two more years, who would do that? Also reported Ryan Madsen may come back to Phils after his big rehab project, but with a minor league contract with a lot of incentives. If healthy, could be a real bargain.

Papelbon is an interesting case. He's got a bloated salary, and has been far from a lock down closer during his tenure in Philly along with being a bit of a prima donna. He's a talented pitcher, but there is not a lot of sense in paying a guy $11-12m to throw 60 innings with an ERA hovering around 3.00.

I just looked it up, and Atlanta had four guys throw more innings with a lower ERA than Papelbon in 2013 (Kimbrel, Avilan, Carpenter, Varvaro). That more or less goes to the point that Philly could pay someone a whole lot less to do essentially the same thing. I'm not sure those four guys combined counted $2m in salary in 2013 (though Kimbrel will get a massive raise in 2014).

If the Phils are willing to eat a lot of the salary, they could probably ship him to a closer-less contender for a nice return. I'm not sure the return will be much if they don't pick up most of the tab.

[ngineer]

Papelbon is an interesting case. He's got a bloated salary, and has been far from a lock down closer during his tenure in Philly along with being a bit of a prima donna. He's a talented pitcher, but there is not a lot of sense in paying a guy $11-12m to throw 60 innings with an ERA hovering around 3.00.

I just looked it up, and Atlanta had four guys throw more innings with a lower ERA than Papelbon in 2013 (Kimbrel, Avilan, Carpenter, Varvaro). That more or less goes to the point that Philly could pay someone a whole lot less to do essentially the same thing. I'm not sure those four guys combined counted $2m in salary in 2013 (though Kimbrel will get a massive raise in 2014).

If the Phils are willing to eat a lot of the salary, they could probably ship him to a closer-less contender for a nice return. I'm not sure the return will be much if they don't pick up most of the tab.

Agreed that the Phils will have to eat a lot of Pap's salary if they find a suitor. Phils have some nice young arms in the pen, but short on experience.

[ngineer]

Phils new deal with Comcast has resulted in Chris Wheeler and Gary Matthews being jettisoned from the TV broadcast booth. Both staying with the Phils in other positions. I agree it was time for a change. McCarthy is a decent play by play guy, but Wheeler was getting on peoples' nerves, though I think he is quite knowledgeable. Matthews, a nice guy, always seemed like he was stating the obvious just to say something. Radio tandem of Scott Franzkee and Larry Anderson remains. I love to listen to those two. Great chemistry and humor.

[PaladinFan]

Yo. The Braves avoid arbitration with Jason Heyward with a 2 year $13m plus deal, and then make big news by locking up Freddie Freeman for 8 years at $135m.

I don't really ever remember the Braves going with that long of an extension. Freeman is 24 and is quickly escalating to one of the best players in the National Leage

[ngineer]

I think anything longer than five years is high risk, of course depending on the structure. Not too many of these deals beyond 5 years have worked of late for the marquee players (A-Rod, Pujols, Howard, feel like there's a another one or two out there.

[PaladinFan]

I think anything longer than five years is high risk, of course depending on the structure. Not too many of these deals beyond 5 years have worked of late for the marquee players (A-Rod, Pujols, Howard, feel like there's a another one or two out there.

There's always a risk, but at 24 Freeman finished 5th in the MVP voting. You look at his swing, and he reminds me a great deal of a big Chase Utley. One of those guys that covers the entire plate, can hit any pitch and can work the count. Not to mention, he's a really nice guy and fans really like him.

The Braves are in a unique situation. They won 96 games last year with the MLB's second youngest roster. They have a ton of young arbitration eligible guys. Atlanta is having to make difficult decisions about their young players, because with the current payroll, you really cannot keep all of them.

The interesting effect on this is that Freeman's signing may mean Kimbrel will be playing elsewhere next season. Kimbrel is a strange arbitration case, as he statistically is the best reliever at this stage in his career in MLB history. I don't see the Braves paying a closer $14m next season, though I didn't see them going 8 years $120m on an extension either.

[AshevilleApp2]

Assuming Freeman stays relatively healthy, this seems like a good move for the Braves. He's locked up for his prime years. And the way salaries are escalating he'll look like a bargain in a couple of years.

[PaladinFan]

Assuming Freeman stays relatively healthy, this seems like a good move for the Braves. He's locked up for his prime years. And the way salaries are escalating he'll look like a bargain in a couple of years.

Frank Wren made some comments recently that there is a plan in place to get several core young players extended. Atlanta has an awful tv deal and a payroll that, though steady, is not increasing along with many other top competitors in the league.

Atlanta is quickly becoming the National League's version of the Tampa Bay Rays. If they can lock up some of their young talent (Freeman, Heyward, Simmons, Teheran, Minor), then I think they can be highly relevant for a long while. Unfortunately, they have a group of very young players hitting arbitration simultaneously.

[ngineer]

Matt Stairs and Jamie Moyer will be joining Tom McCarthy in the Phllies TV broadcasts. A real change in direction. Moyer has to be one of the most 'understated' guys ever. Stairs forever in Phillies lore with his NCLS homer against the Dodgers in 2008 that sent them on to the World Series.

[PaladinFan]

Phils sign AJ Burnett to a one year deal. I suppose he will be slated as the #3 behind Hamels and Lee. Gonzalez looks like the #4, though I think he is a relatively unknown entity at this point. I suppose Kendrick and Pettibone will be in competition for the fifth starter. Seems like Kendrick is on the bubble every single season.

Oddly, the Burnett signing officially makes the Phillies' payroll double the Braves'. Phillies finished 23 games behind Atlanta in 2013 and 13 games behind them in 2012. So, there's that.

[AshevilleApp2]

Ubaldo Jimenez and Ervin Santana still on the market, for the price of draft pick.

[PaladinFan]

Braves just signed a six year extension with RHP Julio Teheran.

Teheran is the third of Atlanta's young core to receive a multi-year extension. Kind of fascinating to watch Atlanta work this offseason. Can't play the free agent game, so they are putting all of their effort in locking up the core of the franchise going forward.

The two other major names for the Braves in terms of extension candidates are LHP Mike Minor and SS Andrelton Simmons. Simmons may have to wait a year, because unlike pitchers, shortstops rarely are locked up long term this early into their career.

[AshevilleApp2]

Braves just signed a six year extension with RHP Julio Teheran.

Teheran is the third of Atlanta's young core to receive a multi-year extension. Kind of fascinating to watch Atlanta work this offseason. Can't play the free agent game, so they are putting all of their effort in locking up the core of the franchise going forward.

The two other major names for the Braves in terms of extension candidates are LHP Mike Minor and SS Andrelton Simmons. Simmons may have to wait a year, because unlike pitchers, shortstops rarely are locked up long term this early into their career.


Nice move.

[PaladinFan]

Nice move.

Definitely a risk to lock up young players long term, but that the reality of the Braves economics at the moment.

[AshevilleApp2]

Definitely a risk to lock up young players long term, but that the reality of the Braves economics at the moment.

It is a risk. But the money isn't huge in the current environment.

[ngineer]

Phils sign AJ Burnett to a one year deal. I suppose he will be slated as the #3 behind Hamels and Lee. Gonzalez looks like the #4, though I think he is a relatively unknown entity at this point. I suppose Kendrick and Pettibone will be in competition for the fifth starter. Seems like Kendrick is on the bubble every single season.

Oddly, the Burnett signing officially makes the Phillies' payroll double the Braves'. Phillies finished 23 games behind Atlanta in 2013 and 13 games behind them in 2012. So, there's that.

I think the one year deal with Burnett is good. Probably the best option out there to deepen the rotation. Gonzalez a real unknown. We'll know in 6 weeks how the experiment went. Kendrick lives on the bubble. I prefer Pettibone. Kendrick has had multiple opportunities and just can't get over the hump to be a reliable starter. Would be interesting to see if these guys are more a 'wheeze kids' team than the 1983 team with Rose, Morgan, Perez, Schmidt, Bowa and Boone.

[citdog]

Braves lockup MLB's BEST closer for the next four years.

http://news.yahoo.com/kimbrel-braves-agree-42m-4-contract-153533719--spt.html

[PaladinFan]

Braves lockup MLB's BEST closer for the next four years.

http://news.yahoo.com/kimbrel-braves-agree-42m-4-contract-153533719--spt.html

Impressive week and a half for Atlanta. Locking in the core of the team long term. Good news is that these young players are wanting to stay in Atlanta into their free agent seasons.

Relief pitchers are notoriously fickle to predict, and Kimbrel certainly has been almost impossibly good, but its hard to ignore the success. Glad he's going to stay a Brave.

[ngineer]

AJ Burnett officially a Phillie. One year contract with a one year mutual option. Expected to split between the two lefties, Lee and Hamels.

[PaladinFan]

Good news out of Spring Training. Both Uggla and BJ Upton appear to have settled down their swings a good bit. Will certainly help the bottom line if those two can hit even close to their career averages in 2014.

Upton, I imagine, is a safe bet to start the season in center. Uggla, despite his contract, I think will have competition for second base. Leaving him off the playoff roster last season probably sent the message that Atlanta has no trouble making him a highly paid bench player.

[PaladinFan]

Braves continue with the extension craze and lock up Andrelton Simmons to a seven year deal. (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10489179/andrelton-simmons-latest-member-atlanta-braves-get-extension).

Yesterday Atlanta extended Frank Wren and Freddi Gonzalez. Ensures that the Braves will keep the core of the team together well into their prime years and into the new move to the stadium. Of these recent extensions (Kimbrel, Freeman, Heyward, Simmons, Teheran), I think Kimbrel is the oldest at 25.

[AshevilleApp2]

Braves continue with the extension craze and lock up Andrelton Simmons to a seven year deal. (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10489179/andrelton-simmons-latest-member-atlanta-braves-get-extension).

Yesterday Atlanta extended Frank Wren and Freddi Gonzalez. Ensures that the Braves will keep the core of the team together well into their prime years and into the new move to the stadium. Of these recent extensions (Kimbrel, Freeman, Heyward, Simmons, Teheran), I think Kimbrel is the oldest at 25.

xbowx

[citdog]

Braves continue with the extension craze and lock up Andrelton Simmons to a seven year deal. (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10489179/andrelton-simmons-latest-member-atlanta-braves-get-extension).

Yesterday Atlanta extended Frank Wren and Freddi Gonzalez. Ensures that the Braves will keep the core of the team together well into their prime years and into the new move to the stadium. Of these recent extensions (Kimbrel, Freeman, Heyward, Simmons, Teheran), I think Kimbrel is the oldest at 25.


http://www.blogcdn.com/www.aolnews.com/media/2010/12/giants-trophy-200aj121510.jpg

[PaladinFan]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.aolnews.com/media/2010/12/giants-trophy-200aj121510.jpg

"If you like your team, you can keep it."

[AshevilleApp2]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.aolnews.com/media/2010/12/giants-trophy-200aj121510.jpg

Never a given, but y'all should be in contention for the next several years.

[AshevilleApp2]

Nelson Cruz signs with the Orioles for 1 year at $8 million. Apparently he had turned a previous offer of $14 million.

Ervin Santana and Stephen Drew still out there.

[PaladinFan]

Nelson Cruz signs with the Orioles for 1 year at $8 million. Apparently he had turned a previous offer of $14 million.

Ervin Santana and Stephen Drew still out there.

Cruz probably realized if he didn't take a massive pay cut, he wouldn't be playing.

I've read that Santana has accepted he might not sign until June. Apparently Santana is tied to the Orioles as well, who appear to be the only team unconcerned about draft picks.

[PaladinFan]

I thought this was interesting.

Read an article on a Braves blog discussing Julio Teheran's pickoff move to first. Teheran lead the league in pickoffs, but his move is highly controversial. For those that don't watch the Braves every week, Teheran routinely gets accused by runners and coaches of balking before coming to first. The argument is that he flinches his front shoulder and front foot before throwing to the bag. Check out the GIF. (http://www.mlbgifs.com/2013/07/julio-teheran-leads-the-league-in-pick-offs-heres-his-balk-move/)

This move is attempted by RHPs from high school on up, but its kind of amazing that he gets away with it at the major league level. You've got to be lightening fast to pull that off. The bottom video shows that he is. He wasn't called for a single balk last year (which is incredible).

Just thought that was interesting.


http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/8878972/v28235781