Meeting 149 of Lehigh and Lafayette for All the Marbles

[RichH2]

It will be a battle. No one can know which of their squads will show up. The best or the worst. Nervewracking

[ngineer]

Excellent luncheon today honoring 50 Game members and the Seniors. Each captain addressed the assemblage. Must have been close to 300 peoplel at the Mountain Top dining room. The event was also being filmed by ESPNU. Not sure when it will be broadcast. Kurfis and Sherman really gave great short speeches about their time on South Mountain and HC Coen was fired up. A lot of good vibes all around!

[Pard4Life]

Excellent luncheon today honoring 50 Game members and the Seniors. Each captain addressed the assemblage. Must have been close to 300 peoplel at the Mountain Top dining room. The event was also being filmed by ESPNU. Not sure when it will be broadcast. Kurfis and Sherman really gave great short speeches about their time on South Mountain and HC Coen was fired up. A lot of good vibes all around!

Until 330 pm tomorrow...

[Pard4Life]

Anyone have any idea on where to find the betting lines? Since Bogie has gone MIA... none posted this week... anyone know where to find the FCS games?

I saw one site saying that Lehigh is -4.5, but not sure if it's the same one he uses..

Holy Cross -22

Fordham -14.5

Bucknell -7.5

Harvard -8

Princeton -10.5

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Anyone have any idea on where to find the betting lines? Since Bogie has gone MIA... none posted this week... anyone know where to find the FCS games?

I saw one site saying that Lehigh is -4.5, but not sure if it's the same one he uses..

Holy Cross -22

Fordham -14.5

Bucknell -7.5

Harvard -8

Princeton -10.5

That's really the only one that I know of as well. I still contend that LU is about a TD favorite. I have LU by 6 but maybe they go for 2, lol. TSN had LU by 5 which would be a cover. The O/U would seem to favor LU in the over imo. I really think LC wants the score in the low 20's....

Villanova is favored, but by 11? I'm surprised Montana State is not getting more points. +5.5 seems low....

I'm not sure HC can cover 22 against GU. That line seems really high...

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I saw that DL Ricky Layton and OL Shane Rugg will be using their 5th year red shirt next season.

[Pard4Life]

That's really the only one that I know of as well. I still contend that LU is about a TD favorite. I have LU by 6 but maybe they go for 2, lol. TSN had LU by 5 which would be a cover. The O/U would seem to favor LU in the over imo. I really think LC wants the score in the low 20's....

Villanova is favored, but by 11? I'm surprised Montana State is not getting more points. +5.5 seems low....

I'm not sure HC can cover 22 against GU. That line seems really high...

No way Lehigh is a 7 point favorite heading into this game given how the Pards have played over their past five. If this were the pre-Harvard Pards, I'd say sure.

[RichH2]

I saw that DL Ricky Layton and OL Shane Rugg will be using their 5th year red shirt next season.

Heard about Shane,not Ricky. Nice logjam on the OL. 5th yrs rare ,love to have them.

-5 sounds abour right for the game.

[ngineer]

I saw that DL Ricky Layton and OL Shane Rugg will be using their 5th year red shirt next season.

Great news...especially with Layton.

[ngineer]

I think a 3-4 pt spread is appropriate for this game...basically the home field advantage.

[RichH2]

a post season note, we return 18/22 on D and 14/22 on O from tomorrow's game notes. Now up to team to make sure post season does not start for another few weeks.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Beat me to it Rich. Also, Lehigh would return everyone in their starting front seven two-deep with the exception of Nigel Muhammad.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Beat me to it Rich. Also, Lehigh would return everyone in their starting front seven two-deep with the exception of Nigel Muhammad.

I'm not sure who will be catching the passes or running the ball on offense. I give you there's some promise at WR but I don't see anything at RB. There's no way Sodeke can be the heir apparent.....

Defense does figure to be much improved. Layton could easily put on another 10-15 pounds and be that beast in the middle LU needs.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Game Breakdown and Fearless Prediction:

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2013/11/game-breakdown-lafayette-at-lehigh.html

[RichH2]

I'm not sure who will be catching the passes or running the ball on offense. I give you there's some promise at WR but I don't see anything at RB. There's no way Sodeke can be the heir apparent.....

Defense does figure to be much improved. Layton could easily put on another 10-15 pounds and be that beast in the middle LU needs.

Brown will be the RB ,if healthy. Bit smaller than Sherm but hard nosed and faster. Kee is also n the mix. Not at all woried about WR. Parris,Gaul,Knott Sansone more than aequate

[Bogus Megapardus]

I'm really sad to have missed this discussion once again, folks - some very complicated wok issues go the better of me and I had no ability even to LOOK at this board let alone get into Photoshopping mode!

We're Lafayette-Lehigh and we do things the old fashioned way:






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[Bogus Megapardus]

Sportsbook remains Lehigh (-4½) vs Lafayette o/u 57½

[RichH2]

Glad,all OK. RL can be annoying.Sitting at Newark waiting for son to deplane so we can get to Goodman..RL can be time consuming;)

[Lehigh'98]

Anyone tailgating by rust? Not having any luck finding anyone

[Bogus Megapardus]

Remember - Lafayette/Lehigh is on ESPN3 as well.

The PL Network will carry the "Lehigh Feed" and ESPN3 will carry the "Lafayette Feed." The Lafayette Feed will be on all the normal LSN outlets as well

No word yet on whether or not the the league will provide subtitles for the marble-mouthed Lehigh guy.

[Mr. C]

Lehigh has won the toss and will defer to the second half. Lafayette is in all white uniforms. 10 mile-per-hour winds, temps in the 40s.

[Mr. C]

The opening kickoff looked like it was in slow motion and Ross Scheuerman returned it to the Lehigh 32. Sherman with the saving tackle.

[Mr. C]

Play-fake pass out of trips to the Lehigh 5, first and goal.

[Mr. C]

Scheuerman had an opening to score and ran sideways to the one.

[Mr. C]

Fumble bounces around in the line, finally bounces outside where Scheuerman picks it up and scores.

Lafayette 7, Lehigh 0
13:33 left in the first period.

[Mr. C]

Lehigh has given up points to start games in eight games this season.

[Mr. C]

Lehigh will start its first drive at the Hawk 28.

[Mr. C]

QB counter to the 31. 2nd and 7.

[Mr. C]

2nd down counter to the 34.

Scramble after some poor reads and an incomplete pass for McHale off the hands of a diving WR. Punt time for Lehigh.

[Mr. C]

Lafayette will begin at the Leopard 17. Drew Reed scrambles to the line of scrimmage, 2nd and 10.

[Mr. C]

Jet sweep for Mark Ross to the 34, first down.

[Mr. C]

Empty backfield, Reed scrambles and the catch is made out of bounds.

[Mr. C]

Sweep to the 39. 3rd and 5 for Lafayette.

[Mr. C]

Ross releases over the middle and makes a catch on a clear out at the LC 47.

[Mr. C]

Rush inside to the Lehigh 47. 2nd and 4.

[Mr. C]

Skinny post by Ross and a catch at the Lehigh 26.

[Mr. C]

Ross with a nice block on the bubble screen to get LC to the Lehigh 15. 1st and 10 again.

[Mr. C]

Scheuerman is stacked up inside at the 13. 2nd and 8.

[Mr. C]

Reed throws behind an open receiver on the run to the right and fires incomplete, 3rd and 8.

[Mr. C]

Bad snap and Reed has to dive on it at the LU 31. 4th and 26.

[gumby013]

Holy push off Batman.

I like it.

[Mr. C]

Ross pushes off a DB Damien Brown in the end zone and makes the catch for the TD. Should have been pass interference.

Lafayette 14, Lehigh 0
6:39 left

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

LC TD on blantant offensive PI....

[Gater]

Crazy no call. Huge play.

[Lehigh'98]

Couldn't be a worse start for Lehigh

[Lehigh'98]

Shafinsky should be in

[Mr. C]

Lehigh starts at the 31 and has two poor running plays. 3rd and 7 from the 34.

[Lehigh'98]

Ugly early

[Mr. C]

McHale misses an open Kurfis downfield and scrambles to the 37. Punt time again for Lehigh.

[Mr. C]

Ugly early
Don't understand how the Mountain Hawks can look so bad in the first half of games.

[Mr. C]

Lafayette rushes for five yards and gets a first down pass to TE Brandon Hall at the 39.

[Mr. C]

Colton Caslow with a sack of Reed on the blitx at the LC 31. 2nd and 18.

Reed scrambles against TERRIBLE defense, but Lehigh is bailed out by a hold on RG Max Ngolla.

[Mr. C]

Scheuerman sweeps to the 26. 3rd and 23.

[Mr. C]

Reed scrambles to the 29. Finally, Lafayette must punt.

[Mr. C]

Tashan Mitchell with the block of the punt and Olivier Rigaud recovers at the 10.

A hold on first down wipes out a Sherman TD run to the flag.

[Mr. C]

1st and goal at the 18

[Mr. C]

Near pick and McHale hits Paris at the 14. 2nd down when the second quarter begins.

[centennial]

Lehigh better not lose this game..

[Mr. C]

McHale scrambles badly again and gets to the 10. 3rd down and Lehigh goes for it. Coyle with the TD catch from TE.

[centennial]

Good throw..

[Lehigh'98]

Td Lehigh 10 yd pass xtra pt good 7-14

[Mr. C]

Lafayette 14, Lehigh 7 after a wild looking PAT attempt that just goes through.

14:07 left in the second period.

[Mr. C]

Good throw..
On the replay, not a very good throw, looping to the receiver, who made the catch. McHale is not impressive at all.

[Mr. C]

Another miscue for Lehigh, kicking the ball outs of bounds. Lafayette ball at the 35.

[Mr. C]

Bubble screen to the 42 for LC and a run inside to the 43. 3rd and 8.

[Mr. C]

Flea flicker for Lafayette and Brown gets burned on a catch by Justin Adams to the LU 8.

[centennial]

Flea flicker.. huge play.

[Mr. C]

Scheuerman outside to the 4. 2nd and goal.

[Mr. C]

Ross can't push off this time on an incomplete pass. Huge thrid down play at the 4.

[Mr. C]

Breakdown on Lehigh and Justin Adams is open on a wheel route for a TD.

[Mr. C]

Lafayette 21, Lehigh 7

12:22 left in the second period.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

LU in big trouble....

[centennial]

Fumble but recovered..

[Mr. C]

Near disaster for Lehigh's Brandon Leaks on the kickoff return. He is hit hard by Alex Merriman and the Hawks recover the fumble at the 17.

Near interception on the next play.

QB draw for a loss to the 15.

[Mr. C]

Can't believe how flat Lehigh looks.

[Mr. C]

QB Nick Shafnisky bounces a throw to a wide-open receiver. Punt time again.

[centennial]

Lehigh looks bad.. that offense is struggling.

[Mr. C]

Two runs and a first down for Lafayette to the Leopard 44.

[Mr. C]

Lehigh looks bad.. that offense is struggling.
The defense has been almost as bad.

[Mr. C]

Pass interference on the offense after a push off and a Lafayette catch at the LU 31.

[Lehigh'98]

Can't believe how bad Lehigh looks and how good Lafayette looks

[Mr. C]

Ross with a catch over the middle to the LU 50. 2nd and 4.

[Mr. C]

Technical difficulties with the crappy Lehigh Internet (is this really an engineering school? Worst Internet I encounter ANYWHERE).

Lehigh has the ball at LC 44 and McHale with a QB draw to the 38 for a first down.

[Mr. C]

False start on Lehigh. 1st and 15.

[Mr. C]

Another bad throw from McHale on an open out.

[centennial]

Wow, the QB is throwing terrible..

[Mr. C]

LC reads a bubble screen and snuffs it out.

[Mr. C]

Wow, the QB is throwing terrible..
Maybe the worst QB performance I've seen this season.

Another bad throw on an out.

[centennial]

I've seen better throwing at the high school level. What is going on? Is this a 4th string fill in QB?

[Mr. C]

After a punt, Lehigh takes over at the LC 32 after a interference call on the LC coverage team.

[Mr. C]

Sherman breaks out of trouble for 25 yards to the LC 7.

[centennial]

Great run..

[Mr. C]

Sherman is stopped at the 9. 2nd and goal.

[Mr. C]

Tunnel screen to Parris, who runs into a blocker at the 9.

[Mr. C]

Frank Tavani sprints down to call a late time out. Wonder what Frank's 40 time is?

[Mr. C]

Kurfis wide open in the end zone for the TD, despite another wobbly pass.

[Mr. C]

McHale looks like Billy Kilmer throwing the ball.

Lafayette 21, Lehigh 14, 1:11 left in the first half.

[centennial]

Lehigh would be lucky to finish the 1st half 21-14

[Bill]

boy is this frustrating, Game feed on internet was fine until 6:17 in second quarter...now it's basically gone....and espn3 is "unavailable" in my region...uggh.

[centennial]

boy is this frustrating, Game feed on internet was fine until 6:17 in second quarter...now it's basically gone....and espn3 is "unavailable" in my region...uggh.
Use free VPN + someones comcast (or any other provider that subscribes to espn) login information.

[Mr. C]

Lafayette moves the ball in the 2-minute drive to the LU 17. 34-yard field goal attempt with 3.7 seconds left.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

First half a lot like last year. Even ended on a blocked fg....

[JSUBison]

LOL, nice HOT! HOT! HOT! video there Lafayette.

[PAllen]

Did Checc mix up the McHale and Shaf playbook? Up until the last two drives, it looked like nothing but read option/QB draw for McHale, and passes for Shaf. Straightened that out and we drive the field. But McHale can't throw worth a damn. Guess that means it's time for Sherman to take over the game.

[Mr. C]

Lafayette moves the ball in the 2-minute drive to the LU 17. 34-yard field goal attempt with 3.7 seconds left.
The kick was blocked to end the first half.

[Mr. C]

Did Checc mix up the McHale and Shaf playbook? Up until the last two drives, it looked like nothing but read option/QB draw for McHale, and passes for Shaf. Straightened that out and we drive the field. But McHale can't throw worth a damn. Guess that means it's time for Sherman to take over the game.
The only scoring drives for Lehigh were on short fields, due to Lafayette mistakes. The Leopards could have easily been up by 21 points in the first half.

[Mr. C]

2nd half starts with a return for Lehigh to the Hawk 26.

[Mr. C]

Counter to the 28.

[Mr. C]

QB keep on the zone read to the 34 for McHale. Another crappy pass to miss an open guy on a third and 2 rollout.

[Mr. C]

McHale is 5-of-10 with 19 yards passing.

[Mr. C]

Lafayette takes over at the LC 21, swing pass to the 27.

[Mr. C]

Pass interference on Olivier Rigaud moves Lafayette to the 42.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

LU has no chance with Mchale at QB...

[Mr. C]

Scheuerman runs to the 46. 2nd and 6.

[Mr. C]

Scheuerman second-effort 1st down to the LU 47.

[Mr. C]

Nice catch for Mark Ross at the LU 12. Ross is down, but gets back up.

[Mr. C]

Scheuerman to the LU 7.

[Lehigh'98]

Nice catch to 10 Laf. Followed w run to 6. 2nd and goal

[Lehigh'98]

Laf game's to lose. 28-14

[Mr. C]

TD run for seldom-used FB Pat Creahan. 1st career TD for Creahan.

Lafayette 28, Lehigh 14, 11:17 left in the third period.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Ill b surprised if Lafayette doesn't win this going away. Simply no offense with mchale...

[Mr. C]

Nearly panic time for Lehigh now.

[Mr. C]

McHale still in at QB for Lehigh, which starts at the 24. 2-yard run

[Mr. C]

McHale with a single-wing styled run.

[Mr. C]

Soto with a first-down catch at the 36. Lehigh going jet tempo.

[Mr. C]

Fumble recovered by Lafayette at the LU 41

Mike Boles with the recovery

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

LC can go for the throat here...

[PAllen]

If we can figure out a way to win this, can we decline the invitation to the playoffs?

[IBleedYellow]

Go Pards!

Moto X

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Just one of those games. Lafayette due to win..

[UNHWildcat18]

Damn you Lehigh, but UNH did it's part to beat maine and get to 7-4 but damn you guys choking doesn't help our cause lol.

[kdinva]

Lehigh will be on the bubble more than UNH if this score holds......

[Lehigh'98]

We got a ball game on our hands

[Lehigh'98]

Nevermind

[Bill]

great-internet works in time for me to see this crap.... we're not looking good today, period.

[Bill]

Congrats to Lafayette - we are embarrassing ourselves today...I hereby concede.

[centennial]

Do you guys think there is a chance for at large for lehigh?

[Neighbor2]

Nice job, Lafayette!

How far you have come. Good luck in the playoffs. With your W/L record and balanced talent, some team might be in for a real surprise.

[ColgateTD]

Congrats to the Leopards! Good luck in the Div 1-AA playoffs.

[65 Pard]

This is what happens when overrated meets motivated underrated 50-28

[Bill]

Do you guys think there is a chance for at large for lehigh?

We certainly didn't make a case for that today...

[Ivytalk]

Congrats to the Pards! Tavani is enjoying the very best vintage of boxed red wine right now.

[kdinva]

Congrats to Lafayette......

[RichH2]

Heading home. We embarrassed ourselves. Pards wanted it and took it with barely a whimper from us. Congrats to them,they played a great game. We were outplayed and outcoached. Somebody will have to explain to me why McHale started and then why they left himin the game. Worst QB performance I've seen in many many years. D back in usual mode,ineffective

[Gater]

Go Pards. Keep it going in the playoffs.

[Lehigh'98]

Congrats Leopards, complete domination today. Represent us well in playoffs.

[Engineer86]

Congrats Leopards, complete domination today. Represent us well in playoffs.

Agreed, Lafayette completely dominated that game. Out coached and out played. Continuing to play Mchale was a horrible decision. He was terrible, it is clear where the future (hopefully) lies.

[DFW HOYA]

Do you guys think there is a chance for at large for lehigh?

Not really. Hard for any committee member to think "three" when talking about the PL this year.

[carney2]

Ya can't say you weren't warned.

[AmsterBison]

Watched the game - like both programs.

Highlights for me - flag folks for Lehigh running get into the wrong order... L E I H G H

Also, the Pard fan holding up the "We want 'Bama" sign was almost worth missing the first part of the NDSU game.

[RichH2]

Ya can't say you weren't warned.


True enuf, Great win congrats. Guess you'll win every 6 years or so huh? Play well in the playoffs. You will suprise someone.

[LehighU11]

Congrats to Lafayette. The Pards completely outplayed us and, surprisingly, outcoached us as well. I'm still baffled as to why McHale got the nod and was kept in the game despite all of his errant passes. Sherman was our lone bright spot on O.

Today, LC was the better team with the right coaching decisions. Big plays, lucky bounces, and a capable QB were the difference in this one. Reed played better than any QB I've seen from LC in 7 years...didn't force any passes and hit almost all of his targets. They could win a couple playoff games, given the right matchups and complete game efforts like the past 2 weeks. Hope 150 next year is more of the battle we were expecting for today.

[Lehigh'98]

Lafayette is solid enough all around to compete with many playoff teams, I hope Tavani doesn't botch it up.

[Southsider]

1. Congrats Pards
2. Andy, and entire staff should hang their heads in shame.
3. Entire D Staff should be replaced.
4. Co D Coord = NO D COORD!!
5. Mc Hale did nothing to earn the start. He was pitiful
6. Most embarrassing loss I have ever witnessed
7. see 6
8. see 6
9. see 6
10. see u next year

[Kramer]

Congratulations to the Leopards. You guys were tremendous today.

We've got some work to do...

[RichH2]

1. Congrats Pards
2. Andy, and entire staff should hang their heads in shame.
3. Entire D Staff should be replaced.
4. Co D Coord = NO D COORD!!
5. Mc Hale did nothing to earn the start. He was pitiful
6. Most embarrassing loss I have ever witnessed
7. see 6
8. see 6
9. see 6
10. see u next year
DITTO. Outcoached and ouyplayed.

[BisonFan02]

Pards to Fargo!!!!!! Let's do this! :)

[Pard4Life]

Watched the game - like both programs.

Highlights for me - flag folks for Lehigh running get into the wrong order... L E I H G H

Also, the Pard fan holding up the "We want 'Bama" sign was almost worth missing the first part of the NDSU game.

YES!! I'm so glad this made TV. This was the highlight of my day. I promptly wise-cracked "$50,000 per year well spent!"

[Pard4Life]

That was a fine beat down!! Lehigh looked awful. I mean not gloating awful... but awful. Sherman is a tough guy and kept Lehigh in the game, but it was utter dominance in the first half.

Lehigh QBs are a joke! Missed open guys in the flat! Doesn't see wide open WR streaking while not even under pressure!

We had a lucky bounce or two but it was no question who was better. So I guess we are top 25 right?! Lehigh: All puff and no cream... Pfft ok...

AGS, you are welcome!

Yes we are in the playoffs... that's nice, but we beat Lehigh, all I care about!

Bogie... break out your Mountain Hawk in the power lines photo...

[Southsider]

That was a fine beat down!! Lehigh looked awful. I mean not gloating awful... but awful. Sherman is a tough guy and kept Lehigh in the game, but it was utter dominance in the first half.

Lehigh QBs are a joke! Missed open guys in the flat! Doesn't see wide open WR streaking while not even under pressure!

We had a lucky bounce or two but it was no question who was better. So I guess we are top 25 right?! Lehigh: All puff and no cream... Pfft ok...

AGS, you are welcome!

Yes we are in the playoffs... that's nice, but we beat Lehigh, all I care about!

Bogie... break out your Mountain Hawk in the power lines photo...


Now now P4L, no "taunting"...........

[centennial]

If Lehigh had any and I mean any one else that could throw the ball why was that QB was allowed to play on? He should have be dropped after the 1st quarter. That might be the worst QB play I've seen this year.

[Fordham]

Lafayette is LEGIT.

Congrats Pards

[LehighU11]

If Lehigh had any and I mean any one else that could throw the ball why was that QB was allowed to play on? He should have be dropped after the 1st quarter. That might be the worst QB play I've seen this year.

Yes. The only thing Lehigh fans could do today was watch in horror as the coaching staff went with a QB with little more than a quarter of playing time under his belt. His only appearance was a horrible performance. Then the promising freshman, who has won the past two games for us, enters and plays well enough today, but returns to the bench. Unbelievable.

Lafayette still earned that win, however.

[LehighU11]

YES!! I'm so glad this made TV. This was the highlight of my day. I promptly wise-cracked "$50,000 per year well spent!"

Everyone in the chairbacks groaned seeing those creatures running with the LEIHGH flags. I think we should use some of our scholarships on cheerleaders, especially if Coen's bizarre playcalling continues.

[centennial]

Yes. The only thing Lehigh fans could do today was watch in horror as the coaching staff went with a QB with little more than a quarter of playing time under his belt. His only appearance was a horrible performance. Then the promising freshman, who has won the past two games for us, enters and plays well enough today, but returns to the bench. Unbelievable.

Lafayette still earned that win, however.
Your freshman should have played all game. Ideally, your coach should've had some trick/ option/ play action/ wild cat or anything prepared this week to make up for not having your first string QB. He just looked under prepared and showed poor judgement. There was a definite lack of planning and thinking.

When your QB is not making throws to wide open receivers he needs to be pulled out of the game. He didn't even look like he had the arm strength/ technique to play D1 ball. Good luck with your at large tomorrow.

[Bogus Megapardus]

Bogie... break out your Mountain Hawk in the power lines photo...





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[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Well, Temple just lost to previously winless UConn. Not a good day for birds of a feather....

[RichH2]

Whether it was Andy or Dave that set the O and made calls today,either or both were so tied up with their schemes they totally ignored the reality of events on the field. A rather Franksaurus move. McHale clearly not ready or able to play effevtively. Clear in the 1st oeriod. Failure to see open WRs w. obbly ducks to the few he did see or he missed them completely.Loyalty is a fine quality but when it derails your team, a change must be made.
Not even going to bother with D. So pathetic this season. Lucky us we get to keep most of them.

[LehighU11]

Whether it was Andy or Dave that set the O and made calls today,either or both were so tied up with their schemes they totally ignored the reality of events on the field. A rather Franksaurus move. McHale clearly not ready or able to play effevtively. Clear in the 1st oeriod. Failure to see open WRs w. obbly ducks to the few he did see or he missed them completely.Loyalty is a fine quality but when it derails your team, a change must be made.
Not even going to bother with D. So pathetic this season. Lucky us we get to keep most of them.

Fortunately for us, 4 DBs graduate this year. Hopefully some young talent emerges.

At least Caslow, Laub, and Robb look very promising.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Fortunately for us, 4 DBs graduate this year. Hopefully some young talent emerges.

At least Caslow, Laub, and Robb look very promising.

What was wrong with Layton? He did not see a single snap the last two games of the year. I know the coaches wanted to change things up but I felt he deserved to play. Even if it was rotating at DE.....

[RichH2]

He got in a bit today. No idea what's going on with D. Coach K did run a bend dont break D but he realized key to that was a good front 7 that could and di pressure QB and limit runs. For whatever reason the front 7 could not do that this year. Our DCs knowing that still stayed with soft coverage giving us the chance all yr of watching teams move down the field and score on us in mind numbing regularity.
Andy has a lot to decide this off season. He best get a much better 2nd schollie class. Giveny outh and losing a great QB 8-3 does not seem bad but it really is. Way too much luck and creampuffs to count this as a good yr. If he fools himself that this was a yr of achjevement, the slide will start.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

1. Congrats to Lafayette. The better team this weekend on offense, defense, and special teams. A most deserving autobid to the playoffs.

2. RichH is wrong here. 8-3 is not bad, and those wins were not lucky. Lehigh deserved their eight wins. But the loss of BB changed a lot. Lehigh was able to smoke a fading Holy Cross and the M*A*S*H unit of Colgate, but going up against a team that was coming together in a big way late in the season was different.

[van]

Congrats to Pards and good luck in the playoffs. Clearly the best team won, lot of rebuilding to do on South Mountain.

[kardplayer]

Congrats to Lafayette on the W. Well played in all three parts of the game.

Play of the day was the 4th and 26 TD pass. Bill Barnwell (Grantland.com) would have loved it. Great example of how going for it when a punt may not help much can pay off. Great coaching right there.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Great job Lafayette!!!

[65 Pard]

Get ready for all those who think they should have been selected at large to whine about Lafayette's record....Our stats from the last 5 games divulge a completely different team than that of season start.

[Engineer86]

Get ready for all those who think they should have been selected at large to whine about Lafayette's record....Our stats from the last 5 games divulge a completely different team than that of season start.

Absolutely

[Neighbor2]

For a Lehigh fan, disappointing to say the least. If I had to sum it up in a few words, I'd say . . .

Lafayette came and played its last regular season game, while Lehigh played its first.

[Pard4Life]

With how we played yesterday, we still would have won if BB was healthy, though maybe not by 22. Defense couldn't stop a bourbon drinking c2 getting carries.

Lehigh got a bit lucky at Princeton but that's it really. CCSU was bad though their missed XPs and FGs could have made a difference. That was a solid win vs UNH.

I'd really be worried next year as a Lehigh fan re QB situation.

[Engineer86]

With how we played yesterday, we still would have won if BB was healthy, though maybe not by 22. Defense couldn't stop a bourbon drinking c2 getting carries.

Lehigh got a bit lucky at Princeton but that's it really. CCSU was bad though their missed XPs and FGs could have made a difference. That was a solid win vs UNH.

I'd really be worried next year as a Lehigh fan re QB situation.

I think Shaf will be ok. RB is a big concern. WR is unknown, dropped passes by returning players through the year. Poor coaching was a surprise in that we stuck with McHale, makes me shake my head wonder what was behind that decision.

Recruiting over the next few years will be the huge wild card.

[Bogus Megapardus]

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[Franks Tanks]

A tale of 2 Qb's for Lafayette and Lehigh this year.

Keith Sherman had a good game for Lehigh. Don't understand why McHale was left in so long unless Shafnisky has a poor grasp of the passing game and the coaches felt he had little chance to lead a comeback on the air.


For us, this is the team we expected all year. Great to see all aspects of the team come together these last few weeks with the help of Drew Reed.

[LehighU11]

With how we played yesterday, we still would have won if BB was healthy, though maybe not by 22. Defense couldn't stop a bourbon drinking c2 getting carries.

Lehigh got a bit lucky at Princeton but that's it really. CCSU was bad though their missed XPs and FGs could have made a difference. That was a solid win vs UNH.

I'd really be worried next year as a Lehigh fan re QB situation.

I'm not worrying too much about our QB situation as long as McHale never sees another snap, unless it's out of the wildcat, and Shafnisky is our QB. RB and DBs are much more pressing issues.

[Pards Rule]

Pards to Fargo!!!!!! Let's do this! :)

Yes! Would love to return to the Greatland again!!

[Bogus Megapardus]

Lehigh shill Keith Groller proclaims,


LEHIGH STILL CHAMPIONS, JUST DIDN'T GET A TROPHY

http://articles.mcall.com/2013-11-23/sports/mc-groller-lehigh-lafayette-football-1123-20131123_1_coach-coen-andy-coen-mountain-hawks

You know, I think the disease really is endemic.

[Pards Rule]

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Perhaps it was ordained when before the game, carrying my leopard who has been to 34 Lehigh games, I spied Dr. Alison Byerly, the new president of Lafayette. I called out "Dr!!" and she stopped and I shook hands with her and her nice husband Steve. Whereupon, I encouraged the good Dr. to pet the pard as it had been to 34 games. She did so and said that perhaps it would bring us luck this year!!

[Bogus Megapardus]

Perhaps it was ordained when before the game, carrying my leopard who has been to 34 Lehigh games, I spied Dr. Alison Byerly, the new president of Lafayette. I called out "Dr!!" and she stopped and I shook hands with her and her nice husband Steve. Whereupon, I encouraged the good Dr. to pet the pard as it had been to 34 games. She did so and said that perhaps it would bring us luck this year!!


Geez, Pards Rule, now you can never wash that Leopard (not that you ever did before)!

[Engineer86]

Perhaps it was ordained when before the game, carrying my leopard who has been to 34 Lehigh games, I spied Dr. Alison Byerly, the new president of Lafayette. I called out "Dr!!" and she stopped and I shook hands with her and her nice husband Steve. Whereupon, I encouraged the good Dr. to pet the pard as it had been to 34 games. She did so and said that perhaps it would bring us luck this year!!

Ok, unless there are other old guys carrying around stuffed animals I saw you walking by in the parking lot yesterday.

[Pards Rule]

Geez, Pards Rule, now you can never wash that Leopard (not that you ever did before)!

I know - true that. Aye, Mrs Ross gave me a hot dog at her tailgate (she LOVES the pard) and I got some dabs of mustard near his ear and she gathered up said pard and said "oh no! let me clean him up"....He does have that effect!

[Pards Rule]

Ok, unless there are other old guys carrying around stuffed animals I saw you walking by in the parking lot yesterday.

I dont believe that is the case. I have never seen any dude - old or not - carrying a stuffed pard. Why didnt you stop me and say hi! I went through the parking lot tailgates as I always do trying to scarf some free food and booze :)

[LehighU11]

I dont believe that is the case. I have never seen any dude - old or not - carrying a stuffed pard. Why didnt you stop me and say hi! I went through the parking lot tailgates as I always do trying to scarf some fee food and booze :)

Is this stuffed leopard around Tavani's height? I saw a huge leopard sitting up in the back of a truck with an American flag across from my tailgate, and thought that it might belong to a certain AGS member from LC.

[Engineer86]

Is this stuffed leopard around Tavani's height? I saw a huge leopard sitting up in the back of a truck with an American flag across from my tailgate, and thought that it might belong to a certain AGS member from LC.

The guy I saw was carrying a small pard with his hands around its neck. I did comment, "that he should squeeze harder"

[Pards Rule]

Is this stuffed leopard around Tavani's height? I saw a huge leopard sitting up in the back of a truck with an American flag across from my tailgate, and thought that it might belong to a certain AGS member from LC.


No I saw that one too! This is only like 18 inches long.

[Pards Rule]

The guy I saw was carrying a small pard with his hands around its neck. I did comment, "that he should squeeze harder"

Yes - I think I had him grasped by the neck at various points. My former roommate was just losing it - with the co-eds, he could barely get out: "you're just like Ken Jeong but with a leopard rather than a pig..."

[Pard4Life]

I saw another guy with a stuffed leopard in my section, but I looked closely to see if it was potentially PR, but this Leopard looked clean and new, and I know from c2 that the PR pard has miles on it.

[Pard4Life]

Is this stuffed leopard around Tavani's height? I saw a huge leopard sitting up in the back of a truck with an American flag across from my tailgate, and thought that it might belong to a certain AGS member from LC.

Ah yes I recall seeing that. I saw that the last time too. So you were tailgating there? That area was a complete mess by the end. Somebody lit a fire after the game.

[Pards Rule]

Well Ms Ross did take good care of him and you know C2 ALWAYS waxes things. I was in EO...I never saw anyone ever carrying a stuffed leopard to my 34 Lehigh games.

[Engineer86]

BTW, I have to ask, what is it with the Lafayette coeds and spandex? I swear at least 90% of them were wearing spandex, leopard print or not. For the most part, I will say well worn. I would hate to see that attire on Lehigh's campus for the obvious reason.

[whoanellie]

Shazammm App St. Still got to Host a play-off game? ;-)

[Pards Rule]

BTW, I have to ask, what is it with the Lafayette coeds and spandex? I swear at least 90% of them were wearing spandex, leopard print or not. For the most part, I will say well worn. I would hate to see that attire on Lehigh's campus for the obvious reason.


Pardwoman are worthy of spandex!

[LehighU11]

Ah yes I recall seeing that. I saw that the last time too. So you were tailgating there? That area was a complete mess by the end. Somebody lit a fire after the game.

Yeah I was right across from there, but didn't stick around long after the game. A sizable group of recent softball alums created a big mess and we had some rather foul characters from Lafayette next to us, although I attribute their behavior to Penn State gear they had. Nice group of friendly Pards fans in our area otherwise.

Was it just me, or did the student contingent from LC seem to be a bit small yesterday? There appeared to be less than 2 full sections from our side of the field. They sure were a spirited bunch, though.

[Pards Rule]

Yeah I was right across from there, but didn't stick around long after the game. A sizable group of recent softball alums created a big mess and we had some rather foul characters from Lafayette next to us, although I attribute their behavior to Penn State gear they had. Nice group of friendly Pards fans in our area otherwise.

Was it just me, or did the student contingent from LC seem to be a bit small yesterday? There appeared to be less than 2 full sections from our side of the field. They sure were a spirited bunch, though.

Yes I noted that too! I dont know if some just decided to continue at the tailgates. There was a big chunk of open space during the whole game to my left. I don't imagine many people stayed around after the game to tailgate as the winds really started gusting to 40 mph and it was just too cold. I thought about it for a second and said no way! That student contingent stormed the field after the win.

[LehighU11]

BTW, I have to ask, what is it with the Lafayette coeds and spandex? I swear at least 90% of them were wearing spandex, leopard print or not. For the most part, I will say well worn. I would hate to see that attire on Lehigh's campus for the obvious reason.

That attire is the official uniform of not just Lafayette and Lehigh coeds, but college girls across the Northeast

http://media.tumblr.com/a80f1edface00634d4657282decae751/tumblr_inline_mupzt3Jjoj1qzria2.jpg

[carney2]

Poor coaching was a surprise in that we stuck with McHale, makes me shake my head wonder what was behind that decision.

Coen has never shown himself to be stupid or hopelessly dedicated to a wrong headed idea. In my opinion he just didn't feel that he had a viable Plan B. I don't think that he trusted Shafnisky enough at this point to put the season on his back. He may be a good one down the road but I'm betting that Coen doesn't see him on that road until 2014. I've stated again and again that there are two places you don't want to see a freshman - QB and OL. Reed has proven that every "rule" has its exception, but they don't come along all that often.

[Go...gate]

Congratulations to Lafayette on a fine win in a great rivalry. Good luck in the play-offs and do the Patriot League proud!!!

[Pard4Life]

That attire is the official uniform of not just Lafayette and Lehigh coeds, but college girls across the Northeast

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Almost. Just add some mud. Some aviators or oversized sunglasses. Neon hat. And viola.

Don't get it.

[ngineer]

Coen has never shown himself to be stupid or hopelessly dedicated to a wrong headed idea. In my opinion he just didn't feel that he had a viable Plan B. I don't think that he trusted Shafnisky enough at this point to put the season on his back. He may be a good one down the road but I'm betting that Coen doesn't see him on that road until 2014. I've stated again and again that there are two places you don't want to see a freshman - QB and OL. Reed has proven that every "rule" has its exception, but they don't come along all that often.

Getting caught up with a lot of domestic 'chores' that had been ignored the past few days. Finally able to check in. I haven't had the time to read this thread, but thought I'd give my $.02.
First, congrats to the 'pards. The key to this game was that they needed and wanted it more. I felt that before the game. LC was fired up. I didn't get that sense from our players on the sideline. Some hollering, but not the 'psych' up conduct one sees.
Second, I think Andy kept with McHale because neither QB was 'on'. Both short-armed passes to wide open receivers at least 5-6 times with ball at the ankles or on the ground. Reminded me of Donovan McNabb. McHale knows the playbook better, and when behind with the hurry up offense in the fourth quarter, I doubt Shafnisky was ready to handle that.
Third, our secondary was the usual problem. the center field was open all day. I think we had decent pressure on Reed overall. Got a number of sacks and actually played the run okay. Scheurman got his yards, but up front I thought we did better than expected.
Fourth, somedays the ball doesn't bounce your way and the percentages catch up. Witness not one, but two fumbles that were huge by LC, but which they were still able to score a TD and make a two point conversion. That first fumble and fortuitous bounce was huge, considering..
Fifth, the horrendous 'no call' of offensive pass interference on the second TD. I'm glad I taped the game because it was as blatant on the TV screen as it was from where I was 70 yards away. Moreover, it was a fourth down play. The lack of our ability to get the turnover on the first possession, and then having the second TD count created a hole that seemed to have a psych effect.
Sixth, despite our horrendous play, I felt really good at halftime down only 7 points. I didn't think we would continue that bad the second half. I was wrong. It was amazing that we were still in the game with 8 minutes to go in the fourth down only 8 points. That is when Parrish made what has to be one of the most embarrassing pass attempts I've ever seen on the reverse. It worked like a charm to Kurfiss up at Colgate last week. This week, with a new wrinkle, Shafnisky could have walked into the endzone. Obviously, Parrish was trying to 'place' the ball to the wide open receiver/QB...and came up 'small'. And that is what occurred throughout the game. Some players were not able to "step up" and make the play that the circumstance called for. Both QBs showed that. Neither was ready to handle the 'prime time' demand.
Seventh, kudos to Reed who showed he is ready for prime time. Not a cannon for an arm, but he throws a very nice pass that when you have experienced receivers, like a Ross who can make play so long as the ball is in his reach, you will generally have success.
Eighth, the special teams play of Lehigh was subpar....with the lone exception of Divers whose punting was excellent. KO coverage was horrible and twice Pandy kicked out of bounds just like he did at Colgate...that is UFR!! I noticed Leaks did not return for the second half. Possibly hurt on his fumble on the KO return in the second quarter. At the same time, a blocked punt that set up the first TD, and blocked FG just before the half I would have thought would have given a spark to the offense.
Ninth, I feel bad for Keith Sherman. Another great day for a great kid. He tried like hell to make something happen.
Finally, all streaks will come to an end and if it was to happen, I'm glad it happened Saturday and not in Yankee Stadium! IMO, Tavani stayed out of the way of Loose and Fein. We only saw the Frankasaurus in the fourth quarter when it was called for to ground out the clock. Loose dialed up the right calls time and again as if he knew what Cecchini was calling. Our "co-DC's" need to have a serious soul search with Coen as to how that is going to be handled. Perhaps our failures on defense have more to do with personnel, but it was clear most of the year that the defense needs a reexamination in toto.
As a former player, I hate losing, and losing to your arch-rival is the worst. And the fact it has happened for the first time in six years does not make it acceptable, and our players need to understand that. Good Luck to the 'pards next week. I understand you are going to UNH. Ironic, since that was probably our best game of the year. I see UNH favored, but not 'prohibitively'. LC can win that game and give the PL some redemption.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

FWIW Andy said that McHale had the much better week in practice than Shafnisky, in which case you might want to pause and think that a critical play in the season was the one where McHale got pummeled against Holy Cross, which knocked him out against the rest of that game and Colgate. Rather than having McHale getting battle-tested for 149, he was out and (essentially) the 3rd string QB was getting the reps since he was the only healthy guy left.

Lafayette came out and executed with a great gameplan and won the game in all facets. Yet I can't help wondering if the extraordinary number of injuries at QB - and the timing and order of them - really did Lehigh in just as much. BB's injury was at a horrible time in the season, but in retrospect, McHale's might have been even worse. That's where the smoke and mirrors really came into play: they beat fading Holy Cross and warm-bodies-only Colgate with Sherman and Kurfis really propping up the fact that McHale and Shaf were learning on the job. That wasn't going to fly against Lafayette in 149 - a starving team AND a good team with everything to play for - and the key development that McHale probably needed to become some semblance of that guy was lost with his rib injury.

I was very high on Shaf being "the man", based on some good things he did in his two games (and in 149, too). But in retrospect, he just wasn't ready for it yet. Maybe it's Reed and Pujals and their early success that raised the bar so high, I don't know. But I'm not down on him for the long term. He's raw and he'll learn, and a healthy QB competition this spring will be good for both QBs.

As for the defense, what Lehigh has missed more than anything else is a Billy Boyko/Mike Groome at linebacker, and IMO, a lot of Lehigh's problems there will be fixed once they do.

And it's Andy's job, and the coaching staff, to sign those guys while Lafayette is freezing in a hotel up in New Hampshire.

[Bogus Megapardus]

You guys do realize that Drew Reed is Lafayette's third-string QB, right? That we beat you 50-28 with a third string? Chew on that one for a while. xnodx

[Lehigh Football Nation]

You guys do realize that Drew Reed is Lafayette's third-string QB, right? That we beat you 50-28 with a third string? Chew on that one for a while.

The circumstances and timing of Reed's emergence as starter could not have been more different.

[ngineer]

You guys do realize that Drew Reed is Lafayette's third-string QB, right? That we beat you 50-28 with a third string? Chew on that one for a while. xnodx

Not really. I saw all three of your QB's play this year, and Reed was better than the other two. He was third string because Frank said he was. Seems to me many coaches, not just Frank, will go with the upper classman because he's paid his dues, despite what the talent says. I give Coen a lot of credit three years ago when he made Jr. Lum #1 over prior year's Lafayette game MVP J.B. Clark, who then left school. Not much choice between McHale, who had limited reps and Shafnisky who had even less.