See if this sounds fair (Nicholls/SELU)...

[Lionsrking]

Wanted to throw this out to AGS crowd to see what you think about this ruling from tonight's game with Nicholls State.

On the kickoff to start the second half, we return it 95 yards for a TD but are flagged for a sideline violation (no prior sideline warning was issued) at around the Nicholls State 18 yardline. Our return man was free and clear at the time with no chance to be tackled. The officials huddle and when they break, they say that Nicholls is penalized for being offsides (no flag could be seen for that violation) on the kickoff, and we're penalized for having players out of the team box during the celebration on the return. Then they say the penalties offset and it's a re-kick. So basically, we're penalized for Nicholls being offsides. Had they not been offsides, we would have had a TD, or at the very least had the ball deep in their territory after the enforcement. As fate would have it, we went on to lose 14-10 in a hard fought ballgame.

[Freightliner]

Wonder if you got the same officiating crew that we had for the Northern Colorado game....:eyebrow:

Seems that the SLC officiating crews have been taking "stupid pills" this season.:bang:

Just seems a bit confusing....What did Roland do??

[ISUMatt]

There HAD to be an earlier sideline warning that was not announced

[Freightliner]

There HAD to be an earlier sideline warning that was not announced


Or the celebrating players got in the way of the trailing official...which usually results in a flag...with no warning at all.

In the TXST/SFA game...there was a sideline warning issued and it was announced by the referee.

[GeauxColonels]

Or the celebrating players got in the way of the trailing official...which usually results in a flag...with no warning at all.

In the TXST/SFA game...there was a sideline warning issued and it was announced by the referee.
DING DING DING DING DING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's EXACTLY what the radio announcers said happenned.

[jsualum97]

Whenever an official is ran into during the play, or is obstructed during the play because players are out of the team box area, then it is automatic penalty without warning.

Afraid they got that one right!!

[GeauxColonels]

Whenever an official is ran into during the play, or is obstructed during the play because players are out of the team box area, then it is automatic penalty without warning.

Afraid they got that one right!!
I wasn't there....I'm just repeating what was said on the Nicholls State radio broadcast so I couldn't tell you if that is what happenned. But that seems to be the only explanation as to why the flag would have been thrown like that.

[Lionsrking]

Whenever an official is ran into during the play, or is obstructed during the play because players are out of the team box area, then it is automatic penalty without warning.

Afraid they got that one right!!


Not saying they didn't get the penalty right on us, but it should have been enforced as a dead ball foul and should not have offset with the offsides call against Nicholls State. We should have been given the option to decline the offsides and have our penalty enforced. The way I read the rule book, it should have been a TD and penalty enforced on the kickoff.

[GeauxColonels]

Not saying they didn't get the penalty right on us, but it should have been enforced as a dead ball foul and should not have offset with the offsides call against Nicholls State. We should have been given the option to decline the offsides and have our penalty enforced. The way I read the rule book, it should have been a TD and penalty enforced on the kickoff.
Why should that be a dead ball foul?! The referee got tripped DURING the play...NOT after. Therefore, the foul occured DURING the return and, as any other penalty like a hold or facemask, offsets the other foul.

[JohnStOnge]

All I can say is: Very freakish and sad for SE Louisiana.

[Freightliner]

Why should that be a dead ball foul?! The referee got tripped DURING the play...NOT after. Therefore, the foul occured DURING the return and, as any other penalty like a hold or facemask, offsets the other foul.


Correct....

The question also that comes up - was there a flag for the offside on Nicholls?

[GeauxColonels]

Correct....

The question also that comes up - was there a flag for the offside on Nicholls?
As far as I know....yes. I wasn't at the game, so I can't say for sure, but the announcers on the radio mentioned the offsides on Nicholls WELL before the referee came on the PA and announced the 2 penalties.

[Lionsrking]

Why should that be a dead ball foul?! The referee got tripped DURING the play...NOT after. Therefore, the foul occured DURING the return and, as any other penalty like a hold or facemask, offsets the other foul.

Because sideline/bench infractions are supposed to be assessed as dead ball fouls, even if they occur during a play, similar to a taunting penalty. It's not a spot foul the way I interpret the rule. But assuming it is, the penalties still should not have offset because there was a change of possession. We should have been allowed to decline the offsides and have our penalty enforced. We were never allowed that option.

[Freightliner]

Here's the rule...

http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/2006/2006_football_rules.pdf

Game Administration Interference
ARTICLE 5. a. While the ball is in play, coaches, substitutes and authorized
attendants in the team area may not be between the sideline and coaching
line.
b. The procedure for enforcement of Rule 9-1-5-a is as follows:
1. Any game official may stop the clock to give a sideline warning
[S15].
2. The head coach is informed by a game official that he is receiving
a first or second warning because the area between the sideline and
coaching line has been violated by coaches, players or persons
authorized in the team area.
3. Each official will record the time and period of each warning.
4. After a second warning, a game official will notify the head coach
that he has had two warnings and that the next infraction will result
in a five-yard penalty.
5. After a five-yard penalty, a game official will notify the head coach
that he has had two warnings and a five-yard penalty, and will
receive a 15-yard penalty for the next infraction.
PENALTY—Penalize as a dead-ball foul. Five yards from the succeeding
spot after two official warnings from a game official and 15
yards from the succeeding spot for each additional foul [S7
and S29].

[Lionsrking]

Here's the rule...

http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/2006/2006_football_rules.pdf

Game Administration Interference
ARTICLE 5. a. While the ball is in play, coaches, substitutes and authorized
attendants in the team area may not be between the sideline and coaching
line.
b. The procedure for enforcement of Rule 9-1-5-a is as follows:
1. Any game official may stop the clock to give a sideline warning
[S15].
2. The head coach is informed by a game official that he is receiving
a first or second warning because the area between the sideline and
coaching line has been violated by coaches, players or persons
authorized in the team area.
3. Each official will record the time and period of each warning.
4. After a second warning, a game official will notify the head coach
that he has had two warnings and that the next infraction will result
in a five-yard penalty.
5. After a five-yard penalty, a game official will notify the head coach
that he has had two warnings and a five-yard penalty, and will
receive a 15-yard penalty for the next infraction.
PENALTY—Penalize as a dead-ball foul. Five yards from the succeeding
spot after two official warnings from a game official and 15
yards from the succeeding spot for each additional foul [S7
and S29].


Here's another part of the rulebook that references offsetting penalties and exceptions:

Offsetting Fouls
ARTICLE 4. If live-ball fouls by both teams are reported to the referee, each
such foul is an offsetting foul, the penalties cancel each other, and the down
is replayed (A.R. 10-1-4-II, IX and X).

Exceptions:
1. When there is a change of team possession during a down or at the
end of a down by rule, the team last gaining possession may decline
offsetting fouls and thereby retain possession after completion of
the penalty for its infraction if it had not fouled before last gaining
possession (A.R. 10-1-4-I-VIII).
2. When Team B’s foul calls for postscrimmage kick enforcement,
Team B may decline offsetting fouls and accept postscrimmage kick
enforcement.
3. When a live-ball foul is administered as a dead-ball foul, it does not
offset and is enforced in order of occurrence.
4. Rule 8-3-4-c (during a try after Team B possession).
Dead-Ball Fouls
ARTICLE 5. Penalties for dead-ball fouls are administered separately and in
order of occurrence (A.R. 10-1-5-I-VIII) [Exception: When unsportsmanlike
or dead-ball personal fouls by both teams are reported to the referee and
before any of the penalties have been completed or the order of occurrence
cannot be determined, the fouls offset, the number or type of down
established before the fouls occurred is unaffected, and the penalties are
cancelled, except that any disqualified player must leave the game (Rules
5-2-6 and 10-2-2-a)].
Live-Ball—Dead-Ball Fouls
ARTICLE 6. When a live-ball foul by one team is followed by one or more
dead-ball fouls (including live-ball fouls penalized as dead-ball fouls) by an
opponent or by the same team, the penalties are administered separately and
in the order of occurrence (A.R. 10-1-6-I-VII).

[TxState_GO_CATS!]

the SLC should just issue an apology in advance of every game for the officiating crews deciding outcomes of games. LOL, cuz seriously, we have to have the WORST officials of any conference.

[Lionsrking]

the SLC should just issue an apology in advance of every game for the officiating crews deciding outcomes of games. LOL, cuz seriously, we have to have the WORST officials of any conference.

It will be interesting to see how they explain this one. In your case, it was pretty cut and dry that your runner was still in bounds but I'm sure in this instance they will find some gray area in the rules to bail them out. But I've read every part of the rule book that pertains to sideline interference and offsetting penalties and I can't figure out how they came to the conclusion they did.