What has happened to FSU and Miami...

[AppGuy04]

In celebration of my Wolfpack's win over Florida St last night, I pose to you this question:

What has happened to the dominance that FSU and Miami had over the Big East at one time(Miami), the ACC(FSU), and the nation(many national championships). How has this happened? Your thoughts?

[catamount man]

I'm loving it personally. Amato owns Bowden, winning 4 of 7 against FSU. If things keep rolling the way they are, Clemson-Ga.Tech on Oct.21st may be a preview of Jacksonville's ACC title game.

GO CATAMOUNTS!!!

[bison95]

I don't know, but it sure is fun:D

[SunCoastBlueHen]

It has a lot to do with the thinning of the Florida talent pool. Everyone recruits the State of Florida heavily these days- much more so than say, 10 years ago (even Delaware has had their share of Florida recruits in recent years). Also, the emergence of USF and UCF as solid I-A programs has given the big three Florida schools even more competition of landing in-state talent. Not so long ago, the major majority of state's best football players went to Miami, FSU or UF. That isn't as much the case any more.

[AppGuy04]

I'm loving it personally. Amato owns Bowden, winning 4 of 7 against FSU. If things keep rolling the way they are, Clemson-Ga.Tech on Oct.21st may be a preview of Jacksonville's ACC title game.

GO CATAMOUNTS!!!

granted its early, but WF and NC State are the only teams in that division that have not lost a conference game. However, I do agree that Clemson and GT should win the divisions

PS- Andre Brown owns FSU as well. 18 carries for 113 last night and if i recall correctly, something like 170 last year

[AppGuy04]

It has a lot to do with the thinning of the Florida talent pool. Everyone recruits the State of Florida heavily these days- much more so than say, 10 years ago (even Delaware has had their share of Florida recruits in recent years). Also, the emergence of USF and UCF as solid I-A programs has given the big three Florida schools even more competition of landing in-state talent. Not so long ago, the major majority of state's best football players went to Miami, FSU or UF. That isn't as much the case any more.

Agreed, last night, NC State had 5 starters on defense from Florida, FSU only had 4 from Florida

[GannonFan]

They've been sucked down by the mediocrity that is ACC football - the ACC wasn't anything special until FSU joined, and we've seen them slowly erode since their entry. Miami's been a faster descent to mediocrity but that's right where they are. Still a good basketball conference (although second now to the Big East) but they've never been and apparently never will be a great football conference. Maybe they're just too close to the SEC?

[Hansel]

Miami needs a new coach... then they will rebound

[goasu984Life]

It has a lot to do with the thinning of the Florida talent pool. Everyone recruits the State of Florida heavily these days- much more so than say, 10 years ago (even Delaware has had their share of Florida recruits in recent years). Also, the emergence of USF and UCF as solid I-A programs has given the big three Florida schools even more competition of landing in-state talent. Not so long ago, the major majority of state's best football players went to Miami, FSU or UF. That isn't as much the case any more.

I agree with that completely. EVERYONE has kids from Florida now, not just the Florida schools. They are gonna have to try and do what Mack Brown did when he was at North Carolina and put a "recruiting fence" around the state. Coach Brown always went after the best players in the state and usually got them. The Florida schools are going to have to try and do that to get back to what they were.

The game last night was something that I would have never guessed. FSU had a lot of injuries defensively, and that may have had something to do with it, but my hat is off to the Wolfpack for the victory. Can Amato teach John Bunting how to regroup like that?

[Pard4Life]

Who cares?! Enjoying the slide for sure!

Now only if Ohio St. and Texas had the same thing happen... all would be well.. :nod:

[bandl]

I wouldn't worry too much about these two...they may just be having off years. Remember not so long ago when Miami wasn't a very good team?? Then they quickly emerged as a powerhouse again. I'm not a fan of either team, but I don't think this 'drought' is a sign of things to come permanently.

:twocents:

[dbackjon]

Enjoying this greatly.

I have been arguing for a few years that both were vastly over-rated - that those opening games that they played each other and ended the game with a score of 10-6 were not the result of "two great defenses", but actually two good defenses and two totally inept offenses. Miami and FSU have started QBs recently that would have a hard time winning a job in most of the top 25 I-AA teams.

[Ivytalk]

Don't you just love parity?:D

Go Clemson! Nice to see that the Tigers have a strong "O" this year.

[blur2005]

The reason Miami has struggled since joining the ACC is two-fold: like Florida State, the increase in Florida recruiting by every major school, as well as USF, UCF and other growing I-A schools has made it more difficult to grab nearly every good player from the state. The second reason is that when the 'Canes were in the Big East, they had one game really decide their season and that was the Virginia Tech matchup. Now that they have at least a somewhat tough game week in and week out, their weaknesses have been exposed and exploited by ACC coaches.

For Florida State, the recruiting factor I mentioned for Miami is also a problem for it. But the other problem for it has been the overall strengthening of the conference. Adding Boston College and Virginia Tech as well as Miami obviously made the conference stronger overall. This has led to the problem that so many of the teams are close in terms of talent and ability that each week really is an "any given Saturday" situation, which leads to them beating up on each other. It's this situation that leads to upsets like last night, when NC State took down the 'Noles. You can already tell that this season we might have two new winners from the respective divisions. My money is on Georgia Tech and Clemson.

BTW, the one problem with my argument on recruiting is that Florida, in the SEC, doesn't seem to be any worse for wear. Then again, it might catch up to the Gators at some point.

[SunCoastBlueHen]

BTW, the one problem with my argument on recruiting is that Florida, in the SEC, doesn't seem to be any worse for wear. Then again, it might catch up to the Gators at some point.


Though the Gators have had a resurgence with Urban Meyer at the helm, they were went 8-5, 8-5, 7-5 in the three years before him. Meyer is just a great coach who could win anywhere. :twocents:

[goasu984Life]

Next year is going to be the deciding year for Urban Meyer. He has the type of quarterback that he wants for his system in Tim Tebow. If they are able to get better with Tebow and make the system work with him as the starting quarterback, then I'll give the man the credit. I'm still not sold that meyer's offense will be able to work in the SEC.

[AppGuy04]

BTW, the one problem with my argument on recruiting is that Florida, in the SEC, doesn't seem to be any worse for wear. Then again, it might catch up to the Gators at some point.

Yeah, they just raid NC of their best player in years(Chris Leak)

[SunCoastBlueHen]

Next year is going to be the deciding year for Urban Meyer. He has the type of quarterback that he wants for his system in Tim Tebow. If they are able to get better with Tebow and make the system work with him as the starting quarterback, then I'll give the man the credit. I'm still not sold that meyer's offense will be able to work in the SEC.

The Florida offense looked pretty good on Saturday against a solid LSU defense. It took Meyer only a season and a half to get the Gators back near the top - I think the man deserves some credit. Since Delaware looks so poor this year, I'm jumping on the bandwagon...

Go Gators!

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[AppGuy04]

I believe this is the first poll since 1982 that neither FSU nor Miami have been ranked

[goasu984Life]

The Florida offense looked pretty good on Saturday against a solid LSU defense. It took Meyer only a season and a half to get the Gators back near the top - I think the man deserves some credit. Since Delaware looks so poor this year, I'm jumping on the bandwagon...

Go Gators!

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That was a great job by Florida Saturday. My point was that he really isn't running the system that he wants to right now with Chris Leak at quarterback. Next year, when Tim Tebow is the full-time starter, will be the best test for me on Florida's system.

By the way, Poor Chris Leak. He has had three coordinators in four years, he should be a Heisman candidate, and he gets booed at home. Tebow gets all the glory and Leak does all the work. As long as they are winning, I guess it doesn't matter.