AGS Poll Results - Week 9 2013

[AGSPoll]

Results for 10/28/2013 AGS Poll:



1
North Dakota State Bison
1825
73


2
Eastern Illinois Panthers
1707



3
Fordham Rams
1580



4
Eastern Washington Eagles
1541



5
Maine Black Bears
1482



6
Towson Tigers
1443



7
McNeese State Cowboys
1370



8
Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
1322



9
Sam Houston State Bearkats
1242



10
Montana State Bobcats
1221



11
Youngstown State Penguins
1166



12
Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
908



13
Samford Bulldogs
872



14
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
847



15
Montana Grizzlies
768



16
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
637



17
Tennessee State Tigers
439



18
Villanova Wildcats
382



19
New Hampshire Wildcats
380



20
Charleston Southern Buccaneers
355



21
Wofford Terriers
349



22
William & Mary Tribe
334



23
Southern Illinois Salukis
297



24
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
282



25
Chattanooga Mocs
209
















Most Significant Win:





Samford Bulldogs











Most Significant Loss:





Lehigh Mountain Hawks











ORV:




26
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
136



27
Princeton Tigers
127



28
Lehigh Mountain Hawks
97



29
Central Arkansas Bears
91



30
James Madison Dukes
81



31
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
60



32
Northern Iowa Panthers
49



33
Harvard Crimson
45



34T
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
19



34T
South Carolina State Bulldogs
19



36
Jackson State Tigers
12



37
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
7



38T
Illinois State Redbirds
5



38T
Eastern Kentucky Colonels
5



40
Cal Poly Mustangs
4

[NoDak 4 Ever]

To me, I see no difference between Lehigh and Chattanooga. Both feasting on weaker opponents.

Maybe a worse loss on Lehigh's part but flip a coin.

[Fear the Bird]

1
North Dakota State Bison


2
Eastern Illinois Panthers


3
Fordham Rams


4
Maine Black Bears


5
Eastern Washington Eagles


6
Towson Tigers


7
McNeese State Cowboys


8
Coastal Carolina Chanticleers


9
Youngstown State Penguins


10
Sam Houston State Bearkats


11
Montana State Bobcats


12
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks


13
Bethune-Cookman Wildcats


14
Southeastern Louisiana Lions


15
Tennessee State Tigers


16
Samford Bulldogs


17
Montana Grizzlies


18
Villanova Wildcats


19
Princeton Tigers


20
Southern Illinois Salukis


21
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens


22
Chattanooga Mocs


23
New Hampshire Wildcats


24
William & Mary Tribe


25
Charleston Southern Buccaneers

[Fear the Bird]

24 out of 25 with mine having Princeton and AGS having Wofford (so consider me more correct)

How did Lehigh receive that many votes?

[dbackjon]

So it took another loss for Montana to fall behind NAU finally.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

24 out of 25 with mine having Princeton and AGS having Wofford (so consider me more correct)

How did Lehigh receive that many votes?

With Lehigh it's not as much of a PL thing as it is an E. Coast thing it looked like from just a glance. There are a few people that had them higher than I would be comfortable with but there are also those that have UNI, The Griz, and some others higher than I would be comfortable with on my own ballot as well.

[LehighU11]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Fordham Rams
3: Maine Black Bears
4: Eastern Illinois Panthers
5: Towson Tigers
6: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Youngstown State Penguins
10: McNeese State Cowboys
11: Montana State Bobcats
12: Samford Bulldogs
13: William & Mary Tribe
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Princeton Tigers
19: Chattanooga Mocs
20: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
21: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
22: Montana Grizzlies
23: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
24: James Madison Dukes
25: Harvard Crimson

[citdog]

bye bye le high!

[Professor Chaos]

Great poll AGS! Same 25 teams as mine and the top 16 are virtually identical with just a couple teams moved around.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Illinois Panthers
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Fordham Rams
5: Maine Black Bears
6: Towson Tigers
7: McNeese State Cowboys
8: Sam Houston State Bearkats
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
11: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: Samford Bulldogs
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: Montana Grizzlies
16: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: Tennessee State Tigers
19: Chattanooga Mocs
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Southern Illinois Salukis
23: Wofford Terriers
24: William & Mary Tribe
25: Charleston Southern Buccaneers

[Cocky]

To me, I see no difference between Lehigh and Chattanooga. Both feasting on weaker opponents.

Maybe a worse loss on Lehigh's part but flip a coin.

Hard to understand UTM getting very few votes while UTC is 25. UTM dominated UTC in their game plus a win over a good CAU team. UTM losses are Boise St, Tenn State and JSU.

[IBleedYellow]

Just realized I had my Montana and NAU picks swapped in my ballot.

Looking pretty good aside from that, though.

Also: Thanks to whomever emailed me and stated I had Delaware as #2. Mistakes happen :D

[chattownmocs]

Hard to understand UTM getting very few votes while UTC is 25. UTM dominated UTC in their game plus a win over a good CAU team. UTM losses are Boise St, Tenn State and JSU.

Chattanooga has won 4 in a row and 6 of 7. Everything about that Thursday night opener now screams fluke. From injuries and suspensions for Chattanooga to players that dont even get to play anymore for UTM having career games. But I love how you throw Jacksonville State in there as if that is some sort of good loss.

[bluehenbillk]

Too High: Bethune (I had at 18), and Villanova (unranked)

Too Low: Delaware (I had at 17) and S Utah (I had at 25)

Otherwise getting better every week

[LehighU11]

Too High: Bethune (I had at 18), and Villanova (unranked)

Too Low: Delaware (I had at 17) and S Utah (I had at 25)

Otherwise getting better every week

Delaware is fortunate just to be ranked. Besides a close home win against middle of the road in the CAA JMU, they haven't beaten anyone above mediocre. That blowout loss to Maine looks bad, too. Their resume is slightly better than Lehigh's at this point, and neither warrant a top 20-23 ranking.

[IBleedYellow]

Too High: Bethune (I had at 18), and Villanova (unranked)

Too Low: Delaware (I had at 17) and S Utah (I had at 25)

Otherwise getting better every week

Delaware needs to prove they are even in the T25 IMO. I put them in at 25, and until they actually beat a ranked team, that's where they can stay.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Just realized I had my Montana and NAU picks swapped in my ballot.

Looking pretty good aside from that, though.

Also: Thanks to whomever emailed me and stated I had Delaware as #2. Mistakes happen :D

You're welcome.

[clawman]

Whats with Fordham? They have a bye week and move up to 4th???

[dystopiamembrane]

So it took another loss for Montana to fall behind NAU finally.Boom.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Illinois Panthers
3: Fordham Rams
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Maine Black Bears
6: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
7: McNeese State Cowboys
8: Towson Tigers
9: Youngstown State Penguins
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: Samford Bulldogs
13: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: William & Mary Tribe
16: Princeton Tigers
17: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
18: Tennessee State Tigers
19: Chattanooga Mocs
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
22: New Hampshire Wildcats
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Montana Grizzlies
25: Jacksonville State Gamecocks

[NDB]

Whats with Fordham? They have a bye week and move up to 4th???

some voters confused them with NDSU.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Princeton ought to be a Top 25 team. I have them at 10.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Illinois Panthers
3: Towson Tigers
4: Maine Black Bears
5: Fordham Rams
6: McNeese State Cowboys
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Youngstown State Penguins
9: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
13: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
17: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
18: Chattanooga Mocs
19: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
20: Tennessee State Tigers
21: Harvard Crimson
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: William & Mary Tribe
24: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
25: Wofford Terriers

I'm of a mind that the Lehigh loss to Bucknell was a fluke. Any team can have a bad game. Their only other loss was Fordham, who is killing it this year, and they do have a solid win over UNH, who, while unranked by me this week just due to record, is still a strong team.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Chattanooga has won 4 in a row and 6 of 7. Everything about that Thursday night opener now screams fluke. From injuries and suspensions for Chattanooga to players that dont even get to play anymore for UTM having career games. But I love how you throw Jacksonville State in there as if that is some sort of good loss.

well of course they do. Your opponents in your 6 wins have 9 wins among them.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Princeton ought to be a Top 25 team. I have them at 10.

Huh, I could have sworn that Harvard beat Princeton when I was looking up the results to make my poll, now I see the reverse is true. I should have ranked Princeton instead of Harvard.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Princeton ought to be a Top 25 team. I have them at 10.

10th is wee bit of a stretch. I have them at 16th with the ability to prove more. The best IL team is almost always a Top 20 team, every few years Top 10.....

[Nova09]

I said this in the "Most significant" thread but since Lehigh did end up the MSL I guess a bunch of ppl can answer it here: what was so significant about that loss? Maybe it significantly changed perceptions of PL, but I don't even think that could be it bc most ppl were down on PL anyway. It is not significant for playoffs, Lehigh had no chance at at-large either way and their chance of autobid is basically unchanged--still in position to win out and get autobid. So what's so significant about it?

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I said this in the "Most significant" thread but since Lehigh did end up the MSL I guess a bunch of ppl can answer it here: what was so significant about that loss? Maybe it significantly changed perceptions of PL, but I don't even think that could be it bc most ppl were down on PL anyway. It is not significant for playoffs, Lehigh had no chance at at-large either way and their chance of autobid is basically unchanged--still in position to win out and get autobid. So what's so significant about it?

It saved AGS from all the Lehigh was snubbed talk in a month. To me, that's significant.

[LehighU11]

10th is wee bit of a stretch. I have them at 16th with the ability to prove more. The best IL team is almost always a Top 20 team, every few years Top 10.....

I'm with you there. I have the Tigers at 18, and expect them to win out. If they manage to do so, I'll probably place them at 13-15.

[Nova09]

It saved AGS from all the Lehigh was snubbed talk in a month. To me, that's significant.

If you think you won't have to hear Lehigh was snubbed if they do manage to miss the playoffs, see LFN's politicking that Princeton is top 10.

[citdog]

Princeton ought to be a Top 25 team. I have them at 10.

what color is the sun in your world?

[citdog]

If you think you won't have to hear Lehigh was snubbed if they do manage to miss the playoffs, see LFN's politicking that Princeton is top 10.

it's really mind blowing that anyone could be that dense.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

If you think you won't have to hear Lehigh was snubbed if they do manage to miss the playoffs, see LFN's politicking that Princeton is top 10.

Nobody seems to think Princeton travelling up to Harvard to beat the Crimson was all that significant, but I know otherwise.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Nobody seems to think Princeton travelling up to Harvard to beat the Crimson was all that significant, but I know otherwise.

What was Harvard, your #1?

[citdog]

Nobody seems to think Princeton travelling up to Harvard to beat the Crimson was all that significant, but I know otherwise.

it's a meaningless football game in a conference that doesn't have the sack to see where they stand against anyone else other than the patsy league. no significance at all.

[IBleedYellow]

it's a meaningless football game in a conference that doesn't have the sack to see where they stand against anyone else other than the patsy league. no significance at all.

I agree with this. I ranked Harvard two weeks ago but plan on not ranking the Ivies anymore due to the fact they won't compete in the Playoffs. No use ranking a team that doesn't want to play competition with the rest of us.

[msupokes1]

I refuse to rank Ivy League or SWAC teams. If they will not play in the playoffs I just disregard them.

[TigerFen]

An Undefeated season is worth a top five ranking. They've beaten an FCS team, Villanova (when they were #4), Lehigh (when they were in the top 10. If they keep it up, they will get a top four seed and two home games. I put them at number two over Eastern Illinois and I spent quite a bit of time on this before marking it. They can run and play good defense. Things that take you far in December.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I refuse to rank Ivy League or SWAC teams. If they will not play in the playoffs I just disregard them.

Then is it a legitimate Top 25 if they're just thrown out for that reason alone?

[UNH Fanboi]

Nobody seems to think Princeton travelling up to Harvard to beat the Crimson was all that significant, but I know otherwise.

Solid win, but nowhere near anything that puts them in the top 10. Harvard took 3 overtimes to beat Holy Cross and has beaten no one of note. Princeton themselves have also beat no one of note (other than Harvard) and have a loss to Lehigh. Princeton is a low 20s team at best.

[IBleedYellow]

Then is it a legitimate Top 25 if they're just thrown out for that reason alone?

Yes. How are you able to compare T25 teams when certain teams choose not to play others. The Ivies are FCS in name alone, they don't compete with any of us really, and because of that they don't deserve to be in the T25 polls.

If they want to join the Playoffs, get them in, since then they would be on the same playing field (no pun intended) as the rest of us, then.

We take pride in our division of play because our Champion is proven ON THE FIELD. Pretty sure you want the polls to also be reflective of the products on the field. Simple as that.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Yes. How are you able to compare T25 teams when certain teams choose not to play others. The Ivies are FCS in name alone, they don't compete with any of us really, and because of that they don't deserve to be in the T25 polls.

If they want to join the Playoffs, get them in, since then they would be on the same playing field (no pun intended) as the rest of us, then.

We take pride in our division of play because our Champion is proven ON THE FIELD. Pretty sure you want the polls to also be reflective of the products on the field. Simple as that.

So you are crafting a Top 25 in order to seed the playoffs. I guess I'm trying to make a Top 25 of the best Top 25 teams in the subdivision.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

So you are crafting a Top 25 in order to seed the playoffs. I guess I'm trying to make a Top 25 of the best Top 25 teams in the subdivision.

You already can't figure out the top 10, why are you trying for 25?

[FargoBison]

The Ivies are basically irrelevant to me. If they want to be relevant play more FCS teams from leagues like the Big Sky, MVFC, CAA, etc.

The thing is they don't care if they are relevant or not in the FCS world because they choose to live in their own little world.

[msupokes1]

Then is it a legitimate Top 25 if they're just thrown out for that reason alone?

By your theory I guess we don't have a legitimate national champion either since not everyone is competing for the playoffs.

[IBleedYellow]

So you are crafting a Top 25 in order to seed the playoffs. I guess I'm trying to make a Top 25 of the best Top 25 teams in the subdivision.

The AGS Top 25 poll is known for being the MOST ACCURATE POLL for the playoff teams that get at large picks. Pretty sure it's doing something right...

Can't do that if you're adding teams that choose NOT to compete in the playoffs. xsmiley_wix

[ursus arctos horribilis]

The AGS Top 25 poll is known for being the MOST ACCURATE POLL for the playoff teams that get at large picks. Pretty sure it's doing something right...

Can't do that if you're adding teams that choose NOT to compete in the playoffs. xsmiley_wix

Well actually you would just pull the teams that don't participate and then slide the ones in the poll up to that spot anyway but I don't have a problem with people doing it either way. The Ivies unfortunately don't care about participation and since they don't some don't see them as worthy of a ranking unless they do something absolutely amazing..

The most they ever have as a cross reference is a game or two so I personally don't spend a lot of time on tryign to guess where they are at in the grand scheme.

[Nova09]

Nobody seems to think Princeton travelling up to Harvard to beat the Crimson was all that significant, but I know otherwise.

I was impressed. I will be more impressed if they go into Penn and get a win. But they're still not top 10 in the nation.

[JMUNJ08]

The Ivies are basically irrelevant to me. If they want to be relevant play more FCS teams from leagues like the Big Sky, MVFC, CAA, etc.

The thing is they don't care if they are relevant or not in the FCS world because they choose to live in their own little world.

DON'T FORGET YALE PLAYED CAL POLY & BROWN PLAYS URI EVERY YEAR!!!! That's 2 games against someone else other than the Patriot or NEC... Not sure if URI really counts though...

[Lehigh Football Nation]

DON'T FORGET YALE PLAYED CAL POLY & BROWN PLAYS URI EVERY YEAR!!!! That's 2 games against someone else other than the Patriot or NEC... Not sure if URI really counts though...

Villanova/Penn as well. And this year, William and Mary/Penn

[dystopiamembrane]

The AGS Top 25 poll is known for being the MOST ACCURATE POLL for the playoff teams that get at large picks. Pretty sure it's doing something right...

Can't do that if you're adding teams that choose NOT to compete in the playoffs. xsmiley_wix
I don't think that we all speak the same language.

[Engineer86]

Can someone, give me the argument why Wofford is ranked? Just seems to me that they a in there based on history. I do not see a meaningful win, and I see two wins that are close w vs over weak teams.

[citdog]

Can someone, give me the argument why Wofford is ranked? Just seems to me that they a in there based on history. I do not see a meaningful win, and I see two wins that are close w vs over weak teams.


Wofford plays in a REAL conference.

[IBleedYellow]

(At work computer, can't actually quote posts...grr)

@Ursus:

I agree, I was thinking about this while walking to work from class that it would be simple to just slide the next team in after the Ivies were pulled out. I find it easier to just not rank them, though.

[ngineer]

I said this in the "Most significant" thread but since Lehigh did end up the MSL I guess a bunch of ppl can answer it here: what was so significant about that loss? Maybe it significantly changed perceptions of PL, but I don't even think that could be it bc most ppl were down on PL anyway. It is not significant for playoffs, Lehigh had no chance at at-large either way and their chance of autobid is basically unchanged--still in position to win out and get autobid. So what's so significant about it?

I think the 'significance' is related to the perception of the PL and Lehigh's relative strength in the FCS field. Lehigh now has two solid wins (UNH and Princeton), and 'respectable' loss, if there is suc a thing (Fordham) and a wtf loss, which most teams experience in the course of a season. Should Lehigh get beat by Holy Cross in two weeks, they don't deserve any votes. So in terms of their 'drop' in the poll, it is signficant. In terms of overall impact on playoffs, I agree there is none.

[ngineer]

Yes. How are you able to compare T25 teams when certain teams choose not to play others. The Ivies are FCS in name alone, they don't compete with any of us really, and because of that they don't deserve to be in the T25 polls.

If they want to join the Playoffs, get them in, since then they would be on the same playing field (no pun intended) as the rest of us, then.

We take pride in our division of play because our Champion is proven ON THE FIELD. Pretty sure you want the polls to also be reflective of the products on the field. Simple as that.

Not really. IL teams do play other schools other than the PL. I recall not too many years ago Princeton had a home and home with The Citadel, this year Yale travelled out to Cal Poly, Cornell played Monmouth a week or two ago, and I know there have been others. The teams have no control over what their idiotic Presidents have chosen to do. The coaches and the players would love to be in the playoffs, and frequently, the top IL team has shown to be quite worthy of Top Ten position. Maybe not this year, but historically, the IL teams as a whole are quite competitive,nationally, and have certainly had their share of players make it to the NFL, and star. My understanding of OUR AGS poll is to rank the best teams in our subdivision. The IL is in our subdivision and therefore should be part of the overall consideration. Otherwise, people are just changing the rules to suit their own agendas; somewhat like jury nullification: to heck with the law or rules, we're going to do this, regardless. For the good of our poll, which I find to be the most credible in the country, all members who vote should consider all subdivision members.

[dbackjon]

Wofford plays in a REAL conference.

No matter how much you lobby, The Citadel is not getting votes

[UNH Fanboi]

I think the 'significance' is related to the perception of the PL and Lehigh's relative strength in the FCS field. Lehigh now has two solid wins (UNH and Princeton), and 'respectable' loss, if there is suc a thing (Fordham) and a wtf loss, which most teams experience in the course of a season. Should Lehigh get beat by Holy Cross in two weeks, they don't deserve any votes. So in terms of their 'drop' in the poll, it is signficant. In terms of overall impact on playoffs, I agree there is none.

I was really looking forward to the **** storm that would have occured if Fordham went 12-0, someone other than Lehigh won the PL, Lehigh finished 9-2 with losses to Fordham and the PL-champ, and UNH finished 7-4 or 8-3.

[ngineer]

I was really looking forward to the **** storm that would have occured if Fordham went 12-0, someone other than Lehigh won the PL, Lehigh finished 9-2 with losses to Fordham and the PL-champ, and UNH finished 7-4 or 8-3.

Yes, would have been interesting, but Bucknell aint winning the PL, so your fantasizing is for naught. (;-)

[JMUNJ08]

Can someone, give me the argument why Wofford is ranked? Just seems to me that they a in there based on history. I do not see a meaningful win, and I see two wins that are close w vs over weak teams.

Everyone else that could remotely replace them loss this week. My only rationale for having them in there...

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Everyone else that could remotely replace them loss this week. My only rationale for having them in there...

Same here, the last 5 spots were tough to fill.

[Professor Chaos]

I said this in the "Most significant" thread but since Lehigh did end up the MSL I guess a bunch of ppl can answer it here: what was so significant about that loss? Maybe it significantly changed perceptions of PL, but I don't even think that could be it bc most ppl were down on PL anyway. It is not significant for playoffs, Lehigh had no chance at at-large either way and their chance of autobid is basically unchanged--still in position to win out and get autobid. So what's so significant about it?
Regardless of my opinion of the Patriot League as a whole I saw Lehigh as a solid team around 20th in the FCS before this weekend. Bucknell is flat out bad and to see them stomp Lehigh was shocking to me. Much more so than any other game weekend.

[Cocky]

Chattanooga has won 4 in a row and 6 of 7. Everything about that Thursday night opener now screams fluke. From injuries and suspensions for Chattanooga to players that dont even get to play anymore for UTM having career games. But I love how you throw Jacksonville State in there as if that is some sort of good loss.
I couldn't put UTC because UTM won that game. JSU did beat UTM so it's a better loss than one to UTC.

[WileECoyote06]

Too High: Bethune (I had at 18), and Villanova (unranked)

Too Low: Delaware (I had at 17) and S Utah (I had at 25)

Otherwise getting better every week

Just like last week. I ask why? If it's based on MEAC futility in the playoffs; then why is EIU the #2 team in the country?

Compared to the other teams surrounding BCU; they are look like they are right where they are supposed to be. As a matter of fact, they may be being undervalued.



School
FCS Record
OVR Record
Top 25 Ws
FBS Ws
Top 40 Ws
SOS
Massey



McNeese St
5-1
7-1
1
1
1
19


Coastal Carolina
8-0
8-0
0
0
2
59


Sam Houston
6-1
6-2
1
0
0
27


Montana State
5-1
6-2
1
0
0
56


Youngstown St
7-0
7-1
1
0
1
32


Bethune-Cookman
5-0
7-1
1
1
1
35


Samford
6-1
6-2
1
1
0
48


Montana
5-1
6-2
0
0
0
60

[chattownmocs]

I couldn't put UTC because UTM won that game. JSU did beat UTM so it's a better loss than one to UTC.

Yeah and Murray State beat JSU. Rank them.

[SU_IT_able]

Technically Samford has an FBS win vs. Georgia St.

[WileECoyote06]

Technically Samford has an FBS win vs. Georgia St.

I updated it. But with Georgia State having three losses to FCS teams, that win is negligible.

[robsnotes4u]

Good looking poll


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[SU_IT_able]

Yeah, I didn't say GA St. Was a good FBS win. :-)

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Good looking poll


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[smilo]

23/25

I would put UNI 23 and SD St. 22. Not ranking UDel (29) and Wofford (26). If Delaware wins a game other than Richmond down the stretch, I will be mighty impressed. They've literally done nothing but that Madison win which is looking much worse about now. And Wofford just looks terrible every week. I don't care if they win. They struggle so much every single game. It's going to catch up to them. It's hard to justify any teams for those last few spots, but I really think UNI is just going through a rough patch of their schedule. If they start losing to the bad teams, they'll legitimately drop far. SD St.'s fate should be decided vs. South Dakota. I won't keep them out of the top 25 unless they lose that. I'll forgive them for MO St.

My top Ivy is #27 Penn. Watch out for them! PU/UPenn will be a great game. I have Princeton 3 spots behind. Not sure exactly what to expect in that one. Both are real good teams.

[citdog]

23/25

I would put UNI 23 and SD St. 22. Not ranking UDel (29) and Wofford (26). If Delaware wins a game other than Richmond down the stretch, I will be mighty impressed. They've literally done nothing but that Madison win which is looking much worse about now. And Wofford just looks terrible every week. I don't care if they win. They struggle so much every single game. It's going to catch up to them. It's hard to justify any teams for those last few spots, but I really think UNI is just going through a rough patch of their schedule. If they start losing to the bad teams, they'll legitimately drop far. SD St.'s fate should be decided vs. South Dakota. I won't keep them out of the top 25 unless they lose that. I'll forgive them for MO St.

My top Ivy is #27 Penn. Watch out for them! PU/UPenn will be a great game. I have Princeton 3 spots behind. Not sure exactly what to expect in that one. Both are real good teams.


I am sure that you would trade places with Wofford, who you say looks bad but wins, and Nova looks good and GETS BEAT.

[Engineer86]

Wofford plays in a REAL conference.

xlolxxlolxxlolx Just like the civil war and Citadel football, you are living in the past here too. Really based on 2013 give me something?

[Engineer86]

Everyone else that could remotely replace them loss this week. My only rationale for having them in there...

I have to agree there is real merit to this point

[citdog]

xlolxxlolxxlolx Just like the civil war and Citadel football, you are living in the past here too. Really based on 2013 give me something?

The Citadel would beat you by 5 touchdowns kind of like BUCKNELL did! BUCKNELL? THEY ARE HORRIBLE! JUST A BAD FOOTBALL TEAM. We're just restin' up a bit and then we're coming for you yankees. Wofford wins football games they are supposed to win. That's the difference between you and them. Wofford wouldn't lose to BUCKNELL!

[Engineer86]

The Citadel would beat you by 5 touchdowns kind of like BUCKNELL did! BUCKNELL? THEY ARE HORRIBLE! JUST A BAD FOOTBALL TEAM. We're just restin' up a bit and then we're coming for you yankees. Wofford wins football games they are supposed to win. That's the difference between you and them. Wofford wouldn't lose to BUCKNELL!

xlolxxlolxxlolx Put down the bottle. Call your sponsor.

[smilo]

I am sure that you would trade places with Wofford, who you say looks bad but wins, and Nova looks good and GETS BEAT.

I really don't mind losing to pretty awesome teams. There's a reason Wofford is ranked below Villanova. I'd rather be 4th or 5th in this CAA (even though we still might be 3rd!) than 2nd or 3rd in this SoCon for sure. Both teams are pretty equally likely to make the playoffs. I'd take my chances with a team that plays well to win 3/3 (vs. 2 middling, 1 bad team) rather than a team that has struggled against bad opponents to win 2/3 (1 decent, 1 middling, 1 bad team). You really cannot count on Wofford to win 7. If Nova beats JMU, which I am definitely expecting, ask me again who I'd rather be.

[citdog]

xlolxxlolxxlolx Put down the bottle. Call your sponsor.

the only good football team in the patsy is FORDHAM. le high proved that fact last saturday. I only drink to make the voices in my head LOUDER.

[bjtheflamesfan]

Since I missed last week I decided to stick mostly to superman7515's How The Fared listing which led to this:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Illinois Panthers
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Fordham Rams
5: Towson Tigers
6: Maine Black Bears
7: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
8: McNeese State Cowboys
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
13: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
14: Samford Bulldogs
15: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
16: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: William & Mary Tribe
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
20: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
21: South Carolina State Bulldogs
22: Central Arkansas Bears
23: Princeton Tigers
24: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
25: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

Im still not ready to buy into UTC at this point. All their wins have been over either weak teams or teams that are mired in down seasons. They get Samford plus two of the "holy trinity" of the SoCon (Wofford and App State, who is coming off a win over GaSou.) so they can finally answer the question of whether they are for real, or if they soil their jockstraps like they did in the losses to UTM and GaSou.

[dbackjon]

Since I missed last week I decided to stick mostly to superman7515's How The Fared listing which led to this:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Illinois Panthers
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Fordham Rams
5: Towson Tigers
6: Maine Black Bears
7: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
8: McNeese State Cowboys
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
13: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
14: Samford Bulldogs
15: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
16: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: William & Mary Tribe
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
20: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
21: South Carolina State Bulldogs
22: Central Arkansas Bears
23: Princeton Tigers
24: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
25: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

Im still not ready to buy into UTC at this point. All their wins have been over either weak teams or teams that are mired in down seasons. They get Samford plus two of the "holy trinity" of the SoCon (Wofford and App State, who is coming off a win over GaSou.) so they can finally answer the question of whether they are for real, or if they soil their jockstraps like they did in the losses to UTM and GaSou.


No Montana at all?

[bjtheflamesfan]

Yeah. I pretty much dropped everybody that lost (and BOY was it a lot in the lower half) this week. best case they probably would have ended up 15 or 16 where they ended up. The best win they have at this point is App State and they have been nothing short of disappointing this year. They had a chance for a signature win this weekend AT HOME and couldnt quite get over the top. They get one more shot at a signature game in the Brawl of the Wild matchup with Montana State in the finale, but they could be back in next week depending on how things go, especially with the lower half of the poll

[dbackjon]

Yeah. I pretty much dropped everybody that lost (and BOY was it a lot in the lower half) this week. best case they probably would have ended up 15 or 16 where they ended up. The best win they have at this point is App State and they have been nothing short of disappointing this year. They had a chance for a signature win this weekend AT HOME and couldnt quite get over the top. They get one more shot at a signature game in the Brawl of the Wild matchup with Montana State in the finale, but they could be back in next week depending on how things go, especially with the lower half of the poll

yet you ranked SCSU, who lost, and has beaten nobody.

[ngineer]

Regardless of my opinion of the Patriot League as a whole I saw Lehigh as a solid team around 20th in the FCS before this weekend. Bucknell is flat out bad and to see them stomp Lehigh was shocking to me. Much more so than any other game weekend.

No question the loss was a shock to everyone who saw the score. To those of us who saw the debacle firsthand, Bucknell is not the same "bad" team of the prior month when they had no QB. With Wesley back at the helm, they have a very real weapon. Our players knew Wesley was going to play so not being prepared is no excuse. Unfortunately, with young guys, they tend to let their egos get the better of them and no matter what the coaches may say, they see a 1-5 team. Not saying Lehigh does not deserve to drop substantially in the poll, but demeaning Bucknell as a 'bad' team, when their defense has been among the national leaders in various statistical categories is not fair, either. With all of the turnovers and mistakes Lehigh made on Saturday, they would have struggled against a good D-III team. However, they have some solid wins this year, too, so we are hoping this is one of those wtf games that any team is capable of if they take their opponent lightly. I listed them as the 'Most Significant' loss as well because of the damage done to people's perceptions. The only way to correct is to win out, get the AQ and beat someone in the first round like we did in 2010 and 2011.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Didn't damage my perceptions at all.

[ngineer]

Didn't damage my perceptions at all.

Sure it did. You thought we were around a 20th ranked team, as did I. We should not be ranked now based on recent performance. I expect nothing to be given to Lehigh and don't want it that way. I hope our guys learn from this nasty day. It will either be the 'wake up call' they need to turn the season into a success, or will result in a lot of soul searching during the winter.

[Houndawg]

23/25

I would put UNI 23 and SD St. 22. Not ranking UDel (29) and Wofford (26). If Delaware wins a game other than Richmond down the stretch, I will be mighty impressed. They've literally done nothing but that Madison win which is looking much worse about now. And Wofford just looks terrible every week. I don't care if they win. They struggle so much every single game. It's going to catch up to them. It's hard to justify any teams for those last few spots, but I really think UNI is just going through a rough patch of their schedule. If they start losing to the bad teams, they'll legitimately drop far. SD St.'s fate should be decided vs. South Dakota. I won't keep them out of the top 25 unless they lose that. I'll forgive them for MO St.

My top Ivy is #27 Penn. Watch out for them! PU/UPenn will be a great game. I have Princeton 3 spots behind. Not sure exactly what to expect in that one. Both are real good teams.

Where would you put SIU who has beaten both of them on the road?

[bjtheflamesfan]

Yeah I ranked them...I am that not sold on UTC that Id put a team like SCSU in at #21 with the sheer yard sale that was the lower 5 of my ballot. As I said, UTC gets their chance these last three FCS games to prove they are for real this year and it starts at a place that has not been kind to UTC over the years.

[Cocky]

Yeah and Murray State beat JSU. Rank them.
I would before UTC because they are better.

[ElCid]

While I was about 75% on my poll to the AGS poll exactly (I even got the Montana/NAU thing right for the irate NAU fans), two thing stood out for me in the 20-25 crap shoot. I really do not have serious criticism since there are about 10 teams that are worthy, but these are why I have not included these two teams yet.

I did not have Delaware in yet as they seem to have some weak wins and got trounced once. They were one of my finalists to come in, but I would like to see another quality victory first. I am not one to follow computer ranking blindly, but Delaware's SOS (to date) is almost as low as Charleston Southern's.

Which leads me to my weekly question of why are people still enamored with a Charleston Southern team that should not be anywhere near the top 25 until they run the Big South gauntlet. They have Presbyterian, then Coastal, G-W, and Liberty. I think they need to win Pres (probably) and G-W (maybe) and at least 1 against CCU (not likely) or Liberty (outside chance at best) for me to put them in. That may seem harsh, but right now their SOS is too weak to date. An 11-2 Chuck South would be in my poll. 10-3 probably not. 9-4...go away.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Chuck South was not in mine mainly due to lack of other options. I'd throw Montana and Delaware in there, too, in that 20-25 range where I really didn't want either of them in there, but I didn't really feel there were better options.

[Nova09]

I am sure that you would trade places with Wofford, who you say looks bad but wins, and Nova looks good and GETS BEAT.

Ummm, I would definitely not trade places. One game separates the teams, and Nova is likely to win out while Wofford is not so they probably both end up 7-4. And I will be much more comfortable at 7-4 on selection day than Wofford fans at 7-4.

[Engineer86]

the only good football team in the patsy is FORDHAM. le high proved that fact last saturday. I only drink to make the voices in my head LOUDER.

Agreed and the only good team in the SoCon this year is Samford

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Chuck South was not in mine mainly due to lack of other options. I'd throw Montana and Delaware in there, too, in that 20-25 range where I really didn't want either of them in there, but I didn't really feel there were better options.

Holy ****, I want to see your poll.

Let me have a crack at your top 10
Fordham
Lehigh
Lehigh
Lehigh
Lehigh
Lehigh
Lehigh
Lehigh
Colgate
Princeton

[Fear the Bird]

Holy ****, I want to see your poll.

Let me have a crack at your top 10
Fordham
Lehigh
Lehigh
Lehigh
Lehigh
Lehigh
Lehigh
Lehigh
Colgate
Princeton

He would probably now slip Bucknell somewhere in the middle of the Lehighs

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Chuck South was not in mine mainly due to lack of other options. I'd throw Montana and Delaware in there, too, in that 20-25 range where I really didn't want either of them in there, but I didn't really feel there were better options.

I have Chuck South ranked. Even if their schedule isn't super-tough, being 8-1 at this point is impressive. Good teams find ways to win games. Look at UNI - they're 4 one possession games (three of them being OT games) away from being ranked #1, and instead they're not ranked at all.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I have Chuck South ranked. Even if their schedule isn't super-tough, being 8-1 at this point is impressive. Good teams find ways to win games. Look at UNI - they're 4 one possession games (three of them being OT games) away from being ranked #1, and instead they're not ranked at all.

I feel this way too. I don't only look at record, but going 8-1, 6-2 (or 5-0, 5-1 in Ivyland) does score consideration from me. FTR I had Chuck South at 25 below 6-2 Delaware, whom I also think would be 8-1 with Chuck South's schedule.

[Fear the Bird]

I feel this way too. I don't only look at record, but going 8-1, 6-2 (or 5-0, 5-1 in Ivyland) does score consideration from me. FTR I had Chuck South at 25 below 6-2 Delaware, whom I also think would be 8-1 with Chuck South's schedule.

Let me preface this by saying I'm more down on Delaware than other fans but what would Chuck South be with Delaware's schedule? It's an interesting exercise as there have been a lot of people to bash both teams and I see you feel Delaware would be 8-1 with Chuck South's schedule (they way they played against Navy and Maine suggests they would not be competitive with Colorado) so how would Chuck South fare against: Jacksonville, @Navy, Delaware St, Wagner, James Madison, @Maine, Albany, @Rhode Island

[dbackjon]

Let me preface this by saying I'm more down on Delaware than other fans but what would Chuck South be with Delaware's schedule? It's an interesting exercise as there have been a lot of people to bash both teams and I see you feel Delaware would be 8-1 with Chuck South's schedule (they way they played against Navy and Maine suggests they would not be competitive with Colorado) so how would Chuck South fare against: Jacksonville, @Navy, Delaware St, Wagner, James Madison, @Maine, Albany, @Rhode Island

Likely wins:
Jacksonville
DSU
Wagner
Albany
URI

For Sure Losses:
Navy
Maine

Toss Up:
JMU

[ElCid]

I have Chuck South ranked. Even if their schedule isn't super-tough, being 8-1 at this point is impressive. Good teams find ways to win games. Look at UNI - they're 4 one possession games (three of them being OT games) away from being ranked #1, and instead they're not ranked at all.

You are right about 8-1 being good, but they have had just a little too light of a schedule (Shorter, Campbell, Norfolk St, North Greenville, VMI, Charlotte). The Cid and App St wins are better, but App and us are having issues. They caught us early and likely asleep and we pretty much handed it to them with two muffed punt fumbles deep. Maybe people do not realize it, but 5 more scores and The Citadel is 7-1 instead of 2-6 and easily in the 15-25 range. Losing close ones is nothing to brag about but we are better than our record shows. But Ls are Ls and there is no way to make that stink smell good. App finally came alive but they, like Ga So are schizophrenic for obvious reason. I am not as upset as I was at our lose to Chuck South considering their run, but it still smarts. Chuck South did not get embarrassed by Colorado, but that is not saying much considering they are a pretty bad FBS team currently. I would probably have even ranked them if they had lost by two scores to Colorado instead of 33 points. It would have said a lot. Like I said earlier, their last three games will tell all in regard to how good they really are (CCU, G-W, and Liberty). They can shut up all the detractors, including me, if they get the business done.

[caribbeanhen]

Agreed and the only good team in the SoCon this year is Samford

and they really aren't that good just ask the third best team in the southland

[Lehigh'98]

He would probably now slip Bucknell somewhere in the middle of the Lehighs

Don't forget Princeton and UNH top 10. The lobbying starts early and often. CCSU& Monmouth top 25... Lol, just giving u a hard time LFN

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Don't forget Princeton and UNH top 10. The lobbying starts early and often. CCSU& Monmouth top 25... Lol, just giving u a hard time LFN

I seriously lost all bearing when I heard Princeton 10. I have no idea how you square that orange and black circle.