Was this taken overbaod?

[penguinpower]

Maybe I'm getting old, but I this should have been handled between the coach and the kid.

http://m.sportsnetwork.com/foot/cfoot2/news/news.aspx?id=4630409

When a kid is buying books for his brother, it simply displays the economic situation the kids are in. Books? Are you kidding me?

I don't think this deserved national attention. I also think that if other kids were buying books instead of tattoos, escorts, cars and everything else you see in college football today, the country would be headed in a different direction.

[dewey]

WOW! Someone gets in trouble for buying their brother books? If you are either of the brothers why would you admit to either buying the books or having them bought for you. I like how it is being called a 'book scholarhip'. That is ridiculous. I also agree with everything else you posted about the direction of our country PP.

Dewey

[pike51]

Congrats son, you've done everything you can to ensure you and your brother stay out of trouble and are successful in the classroom, let's suspend you for doing the right thing.

Idiots.

[NDSUstudent]

You can almost bet that if he was part of a bigger FBS program like Texas A&M, Florida, etc. people would make such a fuss that he wouldn't have got in trouble.

[McNeese75]

You can almost bet that if he was part of a bigger FBS program like Texas A&M, Florida, etc. people would make such a fuss that he wouldn't have got in trouble.

THIS

Although his sophomore replacement this last weekend played a hell of a game.

[PAllen]

I agree, this should have been handled between the school and the students involved. That said, suspending a kid 3 games for buying another player's textbooks for him? I guess he should have just gone out and sold his autograph to a bunch of folks then used the money to buy his brother's books. That would have been OK with the NCAA.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

You can almost bet that if he was part of a bigger FBS program like Texas A&M, Florida, etc. people would make such a fuss that he wouldn't have got in trouble.

Besides, the postseason envelopes with the cash in them take care of the expenses at those schools xlolx

[superman7515]

It was an NCAA violation, it couldn't be handled between the kid and the school or it becomes a cover-up, and then it is a bigger violation and everyone on here is asking why the school covered it up instead of just letting the NCAA know since it was something so minor.

[walliver]

This case is also discussed here:

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?141672-UCA-SR-LB-Heard-suspended-Yet-another-NCAA-mystery&highlight=book+scholarship

None of the articles I have seen discuss his brother to any significant extent other than the fact that he was on the football team. Was he on a scholarship, etc.? I suspect the real issue wasn't misusing his book money, but providing a financial benefit to another student athlete.

Was also hurt this guy was that he left a paper trail. Johnny Manziel and Cam Newton dealt only in cash.

[darell1976]

The NCAA has so many stupid rules, this just proves an overhaul in their policy is needed. Seriously buying your brother a book. OMG!!! NOT BOOKS!!!

[Twentysix]

Nevermind, my girlfriend just explained to me how a book scholarship works. That kid should be thrown off the team that is straight up stealing.

It really isn't any different than if he went into barnes and noble and boosted several hundred dollars of books.

For those that don't know, a book scholarship works like this:

You take a class schedule to the bookstore, and the bookstore gives you all the required books, for free.

So if he used his book scholarship for his brother's books he was straight up stealing/committing fraud.

[superman7515]

Basically, he walked in with his brothers schedule and snagged the books for free. He didn't "buy" the books for his brother, and while he may have had altruistic reasons for doing so, he isn't Robin Hood.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Basically, he walked in with his brothers schedule and snagged the books for free. He didn't "buy" the books for his brother, and while he may have had altruistic reasons for doing so, he isn't Robin Hood.

I work for a textbook publisher. Someone has to pay my salary.

[dewey]

Thanks for the clarification Superman & 26. Is that money coming from the players athletic scholarship then? Was his brother not on an athletic scholarship to buy his own books?

I am still mildly confused by this.

Dewey

[darell1976]

Nevermind, my girlfriend just explained to me how a book scholarship works. That kid should be thrown off the team that is straight up stealing.

It really isn't any different than if he went into barnes and noble and boosted several hundred dollars of books.

For those that don't know, a book scholarship works like this:

You take a class schedule to the bookstore, and the bookstore gives you all the required books, for free.

So if he used his book scholarship for his brother's books he was straight up stealing/committing fraud.

Whoa!!! I didn't know that. I retract my earlier statement. Thanks 26 for this.

[Nova09]

Interested in the dollar value of the books. If it was just this one time, even a full schedule is usually under 1000 for a semester. In that case, I have to imagine the NCAA would have been more lenient than the 3 games the school imposed. Probably a 1, maybe 2 game suspension if left completely up to the NCAA, but that makes the school look bad for not doling out a suspension on their own. So, I would think the school probably should have gone with 2 games to be safe, not sure how they got to 3 unless they have had problems with text book violations in the past, making the school a "repeat offender."

[Twentysix]

Thanks for the clarification Superman & 26. Is that money coming from the players athletic scholarship then? Was his brother not on an athletic scholarship to buy his own books?

I am still mildly confused by this.

Dewey

The article doesn't say, they could have different levels of athletic scholarships, or the older brother may have had the book scholarship for academic reasons.

[Bisonator]

Maybe the NCAA should impose the death penalty. That'll teach these kids from stealing books for learning!xlolx

[Laker]

Hmmmm. Johnny Moneyball makes thousands for selling autographs. This kid buys a book for his brother. Moneyball sat out a half- he should have sat out for a series.

Unequal enforcement. I think so.

[Twentysix]

Hmmmm. Johnny Moneyball makes thousands for selling autographs. This kid buys a book for his brother. Moneyball sat out a half- he should have sat out for a series.

Unequal enforcement. I think so.

Perhaps they should suffer no playing time suspension, but both should lose every scholarship they currently have.

If they can no longer afford to go to school, tough bananas.

[mvemjsunpx]

Hmmmm. Johnny Moneyball makes thousands for selling autographs. This kid buys a book for his brother. Moneyball sat out a half- he should have sat out for a series.

The NCAA couldn't prove Manziel made money off the autographs. If they could've, you can bet they would've hammered him.

[Bisonoline]

WOW! Someone gets in trouble for buying their brother books? If you are either of the brothers why would you admit to either buying the books or having them bought for you. I like how it is being called a 'book scholarhip'. That is ridiculous. I also agree with everything else you posted about the direction of our country PP.

Dewey

What I didnt realize was his brother was on the team also. So I dont understand how this a violation. The NCAA can kiss my azzzzz. Did I ever tell you I hate the NCAA.

[Twentysix]

What I didnt realize was his brother was on the team also. So I dont understand how this a violation. The NCAA can kiss my azzzzz. Did I ever tell you I hate the NCAA.

You should read the whole thread, including the part that describes what a modern "book scholarship" is.