How Good is NDSU............Really?

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

http://www.bobcatnation.com/bobcatbb/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=31552


IMO the 96 Marshall team used to be the best FCS team of all time until NDSU came along

I think last years team would beat that 96 Marshall team 8 out of 10 times......and this years team would beat them 7 out of 10 times. Its just stupid how good they really are year after year.








The most impressive thing too me is definitely their modesty and unwillingness to talk about their team all the time. :coffee:

[BisonBacker]

xlolx

[Twentysix]

xcoffeex

[moosbah]

http://www.bobcatnation.com/bobcatbb/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=31552


IMO the 96 Marshall team used to be the best FCS team of all time until NDSU came along

I think last years team would beat that 96 Marshall team 8 out of 10 times......and this years team would beat them 7 out of 10 times. Its just stupid how good they really are year after year.








The most impressive thing too me is definitely their modesty and unwillingness to talk about their team all the time. :coffee:

That Marshall team was electric. Big play spectacular. NDSU doesn't have the big play weapon, but the bore you to death, grind you down offense is working just fine!

I'd love to see that matchup!

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

1987 Holy Cross wants in too....

At the end of the day it's impossible to know....

[BisonFan02]

http://www.bobcatnation.com/bobcatbb/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=31552


IMO the 96 Marshall team used to be the best FCS team of all time until NDSU came along

I think last years team would beat that 96 Marshall team 8 out of 10 times......and this years team would beat them 7 out of 10 times. Its just stupid how good they really are year after year.








The most impressive thing too me is definitely their modesty and unwillingness to talk about their team all the time. :coffee:

I wouldn't go that far....on paper, this year's team should be better than the squad from last year, and I don't think they are playing their best football yet (primarily on O) than they are able.

[Bisonator]

That '96 Marshall team was an offensive juggernaut. The Bison are a defensive juggernaut. It would be fun to be able to put those 2 teams on the field and see which is better, but we'll never know. You know what they say, offense sells tickets defense wins championships. Give me the better defensive team every time.

[penguinpower]

The 1994 YSU team was the best one that was ever fielded for YSU.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

That '96 Marshall team was an offensive juggernaut. The Bison are a defensive juggernaut. It would be fun to be able to put those 2 teams on the field and see which is better, but we'll never know. You know what they say, offense sells tickets defense wins championships. Give me the better defensive team every time.

Through 11 games 1996 Marshall scored 35 fewer points than 1987 HC. They also gave up 43 more points, 153 to 110.

'87 HC, '00 GSU, '96 Marshall and NDSU (pick'em) are the best teams imo.

[Grizalltheway]

Through 11 games 1996 Marshall scored 35 fewer points than 1987 HC. They also gave up 43 more points, 153 to 110.

'87 HC, '00 GSU, '96 Marshall and NDSU (pick'em) are the best teams imo.

Holy Cross played in the Patriot League while Marshall was in the SoCon during its heyday. And HC wasn't even in the playoffs that year.

[Bisonator]

The 1994 YSU team was the best one that was ever fielded for YSU.

Those YSU teams were built alot like NDSU's weren't they? Great defense and a decent offense.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Holy Cross played in the Patriot League while Marshall was in the SoCon during its heyday. And HC wasn't even in the playoffs that year.

HC still finished the season ranked #1...

Colgate's Kenny Gamble was the first Payton Winner that year. Lockbaum was a Heisman Finalist....great season for the PL...

HC 1987 Schedule

HC 34 Army 24
HC 40 Lafayette 3
HC 63 Lehigh 6
HC 49 Colgate 7
HC 63 Dartmouth 23
HC 48 Bucknell 10
HC 41 Brown 0
HC 54 UMass 10
HC 41 Harvard 6
HC 40 W&M 7
HC 39 Villanova 6

[Grizalltheway]

HC still finished the season ranked #1...

Colgate's Kenny Gamble was the first Payton Winner that year. Lockbaum was a Heisman Finalist....great season for the PL...

HC 1987 Schedule

HC 34 Army 24
HC 40 Lafayette 3
HC 63 Lehigh 6
HC 49 Colgate 7
HC 63 Dartmouth 23
HC 48 Bucknell 10
HC 41 Brown 0
HC 54 UMass 10
HC 41 Harvard 6
HC 40 W&M 7
HC 39 Villanova 6

Not saying they weren't a great team, but I have trouble including them in the discussion of greatest ever if they didn't prove it in the playoffs like the others did. Just my xtwocentsx.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

NDSU would beat that Holy Cross team 10-10 times

Even with the "trinity" backfield of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit...............they dont stand a chance against NDSU last year or this year

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

NDSU would beat that Holy Cross team 10-10 times

Even with the "trinity" backfield of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit...............they dont stand a chance against NDSU last year or this year

The size disparity would be an issue. Same with 1996 Marshall at this point....

That HC team was insanely good! Best team of the 80's....

[dewey]

I don't know who is the best FCS team ever but I know that it is pretty dang good to be a Bison fan.

Dewey

[BisonBacker]

I don't know who is the best FCS team ever but I know that it is pretty dang good to be a Bison fan.

Dewey

I Agree

[Chi Panther]

I was at the 96 Semi Final UNI at Marshall. Marshall won 31 to 14. Marshall had QB Eric Kresser (FLA Transfer, Danny W back up), Doug Chapman RB Vikings and obviously Randy Moss. Pennington was on the Bench RS.

There has never been a better offense in FCS/I-AA. My only knock on that Marshall team was they didn't play UWV that year. Wish they had.

This playoff run gives the nod to Marshall over NDSU....




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[Houndawg]

The size disparity would be an issue. Same with 1996 Marshall at this point....

That HC team was insanely good! Best team of the 80's....

SIU's '83 NC team finished at 17 in the FBS poll.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I've watched these before, pretty freaking cool...

Marshall 1996 Year in Review...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJIEy3fHWi0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0p6vzIJZe0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xEDvXJSTAM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG7qwdcKDRA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2DxEbJMP6Y

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

SIU's '83 NC team finished at 17 in the FBS poll.


Not the major polls...



1983
1. Miami (Fla.)
2. Nebraska
3. Auburn
4. Georgia
5. Texas
6. Florida
7. Brigham Young
8. Michigan
9. Ohio State
10. Illinois
11. Clemson
12. SMU
13. Air Force
14. Iowa
15. Alabama
16. West Virginia
17. UCLA
18. Pittsburgh
19. Boston Collegehttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/polls_1936_present_f.html#)
20. East Carolina
1983
1. Miami (Fla.)
2. Nebraska
3. Auburn
4. Georgia
5. Texas
6. Florida
7. Brigham Young
8. Ohio State
9. Michigan
10. Illinois
11. SMU
12. Alabama
13. UCLA
14. Iowa
15. Air Force
16. West Virginia
17. Penn State
18. Oklahoma State
19. Pittsburgh
20. Boston College

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

I'm obviously biased, but IMO the best offense ever in this division is 1999 GSU team.. That team scored 700 points in a season and our backups got a ton of PT. Scored a ton of points in the playoffs too. Obviously we didn't have the big names that Marshall had but so what.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

offense shmoffense. This is about the team. I think NDSU could take the wind out of the sails of any of those offenses.

[Eagle22]

I'm obviously biased, but IMO the best offense ever in this division is 1999 GSU team.. That team scored 700 points in a season and our backups got a ton of PT. Scored a ton of points in the playoffs too. Obviously we didn't have the big names that Marshall had but so what.

747 points, to be exact ;) Scoring 59 in the championship game, with our backup QB (Revere) orchestrating three scoring drives really spoke to the depth we had as well.

In 1996, the SoCon was a pretty weak league. Only ASU was a real threat to Marshall that season. That Marshall squad was very, very good, no doubt.

I think GSU, ASU and UNI came the closest to beating Marshall that year (within 17 points), but Marshall beat everyone at least by 2 TD's. Their defense was better than Georgia Southern's in 1999.

Marshall had no I-A games that year, if I recall correctly. Wasn't 1999 the same year Furman beat N.C. State ?

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

GSU or Marshall wouldnt score 17 on NDSU last year or this year.

Move on to the next argument because this one is over.


xcoffeex

[Hammerhead]

NDSU is good enough to fumble 2 kick returns against a team ranked anywhere from #2 to #4 and still win.

[Daved]

The 1994 YSU team was the best one that was ever fielded for YSU.JT said that also--he said it was the only year that YSU ever had the best team in 1-AA. In 1995 they were ranked #! pre-season but ended up without a victory in 1-AA.

[Daved]

SIU's '83 NC team finished at 17 in the FBS poll.Coached by former YSU head coach Rey Dempsey.

[blueballs]

The size disparity would be an issue. Same with 1996 Marshall at this point....

That HC team was insanely good! Best team of the 80's....

The 15-0-0 GSU 1989 team would dispute that, as would the 1986 GSU champs (Tracy Ham's SR yr, AVG 49 ppg in playoffs)

[FargoBison]

Here is a crazy stat...NDSU has gone 10 games since last allowing a 4th quarter touchdown. Here is is who NDSU has played during that stretch...Illinois State, SDSU, Wofford, GSU, SHSU, K-State, Ferris State, Delaware State, SDSU and UNI.

[blueballs]

GSU or Marshall wouldnt score 17 on NDSU last year or this year.

Move on to the next argument because this one is over.


xcoffeex

I don't buy that for a second. GSU put over 400 yards and 20 pts at NDSU in the semis last year and that offense was not in the 1999 group's stratosphere.

That 1999 offense was insane. Adrian Peterson had over 2600 yards rushing, won the Payton, and he wasn't the conference offensive POTY- Greg Hill was. The number of records that group set was mind boggling, both individually and as a team.

[blueballs]

Here is a crazy stat...NDSU has gone 10 games since last allowing a 4th quarter touchdown. Here is is who NDSU has played during that stretch...Illinois State, SDSU, Wofford, GSU, SHSU, K-State, Ferris State, Delaware State, SDSU and UNI.

That's pretty darned awesome.

[Lehigh'98]

Since there are no time machines, the way I view fantasy matchups is 1) Don't take them too seriously and 2) how would Vegas set the line. I don't know the older teams well enough to say for sure who the betting fav would be in this case though.

[AmsterBison]

There have been some really good teams in DI-AA/FCS. Plus, relative to their contemporaries, I'm not sure that any of NDSU's FCS teams are the all-time best for NDSU, much less FCS.

There must be some site that applies computer rankings to prior years. I found one here (look for #26 Years Gone By) but have no idea of what rating system was used.

http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~dwilson/rfsc/history/

Took a look at a couple years and saw Holy Cross was very highly rated in 1987.

[skinny_uncle]

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/images/SeamusLight/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Houndawg http://www.anygivensaturday.com/images/SeamusLight/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?p=2024820#post2024820)
SIU's '83 NC team finished at 17 in the FBS poll.




Coached by former YSU head coach Rey Dempsey.
I remember the Salukis being ranked that year, but don't recall the exact number. Rey Dempsey did come to SIU from YSU.

[Professor Chaos]

Here is a crazy stat...NDSU has gone 10 games since last allowing a 4th quarter touchdown. Here is is who NDSU has played during that stretch...Illinois State, SDSU, Wofford, GSU, SHSU, K-State, Ferris State, Delaware State, SDSU and UNI.
Another pretty incredible stat that Izzo and Kolpack brought up on the media blog is that in the 3 "close games" the Bison have played this year (Kansas St, South Dakota St, and Northern Iowa) they've outgained their opponents 324-63 in the 4th quarter.

[penguinpower]

Another pretty incredible stat that Izzo and Kolpack brought up on the media blog is that in the 3 "close games" the Bison have played this year (Kansas St, South Dakota St, and Northern Iowa) they've outgained their opponents 324-63 in the 4th quarter.


Ndsu is not flashy they have depth with people that fit their style of play. Impressive.

[theasushow]

I think NDSU will win it all and become a dynasty...not taking anything away from them as they are a fantastic program. However, I think as sports fans (and Americans) we seem to be very "in the current moment". I can't tell you how many times I have heard people proclaim teams with current success "the best of all time". Teams like the Yankees, heat, Alabama, patriots, etc. And even more so with individuals. I think society as a whole is extremely biased to proclaim the teams that are dominating that current era as the best ever. When you never saw the 1920's Yankees play and their success was irrelevant to your life, then it makes it easier to claim the 2000 Yankees as the best ever....

[crusader11]

Holy Cross played in the Patriot League while Marshall was in the SoCon during its heyday. And HC wasn't even in the playoffs that year.

Raise your hand if you saw one snap of the 1987 Holy Cross season...

[citdog]

I think NDSU will win it all and become a dynasty...not taking anything away from them as they are a fantastic program. However, I think as sports fans (and Americans) we seem to be very "in the current moment". I can't tell you how many times I have heard people proclaim teams with current success "the best of all time". Teams like the Yankees, heat, Alabama, patriots, etc. And even more so with individuals. I think society as a whole is extremely biased to proclaim the teams that are dominating that current era as the best ever. When you never saw the 1920's Yankees play and their success was irrelevant to your life, then it makes it easier to claim the 2000 Yankees as the best ever....


kind of like those that follow CERTAIN teams from the patriot league who have NO UNDERSTANDING of the FCS nationally who proclaim their team to be world beaters when they have NEVER laid eyes upon the GSU's, Appy St, or Montanas of the world?

[citdog]

Raise your hand if you saw one snap of the 1987 Holy Cross season...


I did.......Lockbaum was one HELL of a player.

[penguinpower]

Has anyone seen the espn 30 on 30 titled"The U"? Although I am not much of an FBS fan after sending the inside story it was like an fcs team against an FBS team for some time for them until they started beating down the best of the best fbs teams. It is an outstanding documentary that really defines a dynasty imop. They had issues but the game play was outstanding and the attitude was off th charts.

[Bison56]

kind of like those that follow CERTAIN teams from the patriot league who have NO UNDERSTANDING of the FCS nationally who proclaim their team to be world beaters when they have NEVER laid eyes upon the GSU's, Appy St, or Montanas of the world?
What do you mean? I read on a post that once they all get scollies the PL will be the best conf. in the FCS.

[penguinpower]

Raise your hand if you saw one snap of the 1987 Holy Cross season...
Aye

[frozennorth]

I was at the 96 Semi Final UNI at Marshall. Marshall won 31 to 14. Marshall had QB Eric Kresser (FLA Transfer, Danny W back up), Doug Chapman RB Vikings and obviously Randy Moss. Pennington was on the Bench RS.

There has never been a better offense in FCS/I-AA. My only knock on that Marshall team was they didn't play UWV that year. Wish they had.

This playoff run gives the nod to Marshall over NDSU....



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Delaware (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/wiki/Delaware_Fightin%27_Blue_Hens_football)*
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December 7
Furman (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/wiki/Furman_Paladins_football)
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Montana (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/wiki/1996_Montana_Grizzlies_football_team)*
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W 49-29
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that is no more impressive than ndsu's 2011 run IMO.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Raise your hand if you saw one snap of the 1987 Holy Cross season...

I was at Taylor in '87. I'm just old enough to remember...

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

kind of like those that follow CERTAIN teams from the patriot league who have NO UNDERSTANDING of the FCS nationally who proclaim their team to be world beaters when they have NEVER laid eyes upon the GSU's, Appy St, or Montanas of the world?

But some of us have been to Montana, Montana State, NDSU, Delaware etc...

[citdog]

But some of us have been to Montana, Montana State, NDSU, Delaware etc...

and you HONESTLY think that Lehigh is on the same level as those you mentioned? confident enough to threaten physical violence to those who don't?

[UNIFanSince1983]

that is no more impressive than ndsu's 2011 run IMO.

Did you ever see this Marshall team play?

I still have the VHS of that Marshall-UNI game. Randy Moss was a man amongst boys. I am sorry what NDSU has done is remarkable, but this is not a team that could beat some of the GSU teams or this Marshall team. The defense is great, but those offenses were OUTSTANDING. You have not seen an offense these last two years anything like those.

I guess it is fun to talk about though. NDSU is one of the great teams and a great dynasty no doubt.

[frozennorth]

I don't buy that for a second. GSU put over 400 yards and 20 pts at NDSU in the semis last year and that offense was not in the 1999 group's stratosphere.

That 1999 offense was insane. Adrian Peterson had over 2600 yards rushing, won the Payton, and he wasn't the conference offensive POTY- Greg Hill was. The number of records that group set was mind boggling, both individually and as a team.
from your own official site, re mckinnon: "Joins Georgia Southern’s upper echelon of running backs with 1,817 rushing yards (269 att.) in 2012, third-highest single-season total after Adrian Peterson’s record 1,932 (1998) and Jayson Foster in second with 1,844 (2007)" swope had 1246 yards while missing multiple games.

you had a pretty vintage GSU team last year and looked like it for most of the year. If not for NDSU you could very well have back to back titles again.

[Sader87]

As probably one of the only people here who actually saw just about all of the '87 season I'll say this.....it's like saying who was better Joe Montana or Peyton Manning? We'll never truly know....pure speculation etc.

That being said, Holy Cross in 1987 was very, very good. Different era etc but HC was up on Army 27-3 at the half and the final could have been much worse. The next week Army beat Kansas St 41-14 at KSU. I know KSU of '87 is not KSU of '13 but still. HC also beat Army in 1986 a week after Army beat Tennessee in Knoxville.

Point being, HC was really not a "PL team" in 1987 as many percieve PL teams (rightly or wrongly) here....they were still a full scholarship team that beat every team they played that year (UMass, W&M etc) by halftime.

I'm not saying they'd beat NDSU this year or Marshall in '96 but they would be right there....absolutely no doubt.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

and you HONESTLY think that Lehigh is on the same level as those you mentioned? confident enough to threaten physical violence to those who don't?

In what context? Lehigh can certainly play with Montana and UD this year. They'd be the betting favorites over the Hens imo. Montana would be a fun game. MSU could be dicey. Not touching NDSU...

Threaten Violence? LOL...if you're intimidated by a hand shake you've really lost your edge...

Back on topic...you simply can't help yourself...

[CropDuster]

from your own official site, re mckinnon: "Joins Georgia Southern’s upper echelon of running backs with 1,817 rushing yards (269 att.) in 2012, third-highest single-season total after Adrian Peterson’s record 1,932 (1998) and Jayson Foster in second with 1,844 (2007)" swope had 1246 yards while missing multiple games.

you had a pretty vintage GSU team last year and looked like it for most of the year. If not for NDSU you could very well have back to back titles again.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/stats/1999/gghteamstats.html


the NCAA didn't recognize playoff stats then. AP had 2600 yards in 99

[DSUrocks07]

I was at the 96 Semi Final UNI at Marshall. Marshall won 31 to 14. Marshall had QB Eric Kresser (FLA Transfer, Danny W back up), Doug Chapman RB Vikings and obviously Randy Moss. Pennington was on the Bench RS.

There has never been a better offense in FCS/I-AA. My only knock on that Marshall team was they didn't play UWV that year. Wish they had.

This playoff run gives the nod to Marshall over NDSU....



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W 49-29
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Those attendance numbers...xeyebrowx

[Grizzlies82]

Those attendance numbers...xeyebrowx

Huntington, WV is not a real affluent area. They must have been saving their money until Montana came to town for the rematch. :)

[Grizzlies82]

Did you ever see this Marshall team play? I still have the VHS of that Marshall-UNI game. Randy Moss was a man amongst boys. I am sorry what NDSU has done is remarkable, but this is not a team that could beat some of the GSU teams or this Marshall team. The defense is great, but those offenses were OUTSTANDING. You have not seen an offense these last two years anything like those.

I guess it is fun to talk about though. NDSU is one of the great teams and a great dynasty no doubt.

This.
I believe NDSU has put together one of the most impressive 1-AA/FCS defenses ever.
None the less, that 1996 Marshall team would have won this hypothetical match up handily.
Nobody had success containing Randy Moss that year and I can't imagine NDSU's secondary doing any better. He was unstoppable.
Moss and that Thundering Herd's overall balanced offensive machine would have been too much for even this impressive Bison defense.
On the other side of the ball, this current NDSU offense would never have been able to keep it close to Marshall.
Today's size difference would be the only thing to lead me to believe it would be a contest.

Alternately, a match up between this NDSU team and some of those Geo. Southern teams would have been a much better game. Classic smash mouth football at it's best. A monster swarming defense against a relentless ground attack. I'd pay to see how that would come out. Regarding Holy Cross, sorry but I have no memory of that team. It certainly sounds like they had an exceptional squad.

[asujch]

I'd like to throw in the 06' ASU squad into the conversation. Armanti and K-rich were unstoppable that year.

[blueballs]

I'd like to throw in the 06' ASU squad into the conversation. Armanti and K-rich were unstoppable that year.

You had a strong and seasoned o-line that year and NFL talent on both sides of the ball... IMO Moore's best team.

[McNeese72]

The most impressive thing too me is definitely their modesty and unwillingness to talk about their team all the time. :coffee:

Sort of like the Marshall fans back then. ;)

Doc

[darell1976]

Seeing this run by NDSU every season since 2011 reminds me of the Bison of the 80's. The total domination, back then was their killer running game this year its balanced passing and running, plus an unstoppable defense. So Bison fans which dynasty is better the Bison of the 80's (I know it was DII, but still was pretty good), or the dynasty of today.

[Grizalltheway]

In what context? Lehigh can certainly play with Montana and UD this year. They'd be the betting favorites over the Hens imo. Montana would be a fun game. MSU could be dicey. Not touching NDSU...

Threaten Violence? LOL...if you're intimidated by a hand shake you've really lost your edge...

Back on topic...you simply can't help yourself...
Lehigh would have a better chance of winning in Bozeman than Missoula this year, of that much I am sure.

[BisonBacker]

Seeing this run by NDSU every season since 2011 reminds me of the Bison of the 80's. The total domination, back then was their killer running game this year its balanced passing and running, plus an unstoppable defense. So Bison fans which dynasty is better the Bison of the 80's (I know it was DII, but still was pretty good), or the dynasty of today.

Answering that question is tough darell. It's like asking which one of these women do you want to sleep with??

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4123/4760074390_eca2bfe805.jpg

Or this one...

http://www.gamersbin.com/attachments/f15/12754d1326981380-beautiful-women-thread-emily-scott-bikini-ralph-05.jpg

[OL FU]

The team that shall not be named '96 team cheated. They got their hands slapped because at the time the NCAA looked favorably on schools moving up and Marshall was the poster child. 5 years later when Marshall continued to cheat the NCAA slapped them hard and they still haven't recovered. Anybody notice that Donnan who built the 90s teams (didn't coach Marshall in '96, I think he was at Georgia), is under indictment for defrauding "friends" and former players.

Do as you please, We Are Cheaters should not be under consideration for the best of anything.

[Grizalltheway]

Answering that question is tough darell. It's like asking which one of these women do you want to sleep with??

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4123/4760074390_eca2bfe805.jpg

Or this one...

http://www.gamersbin.com/attachments/f15/12754d1326981380-beautiful-women-thread-emily-scott-bikini-ralph-05.jpg


This one.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Answering that question is tough darell. It's like asking which one of these women do you want to sleep with??







The top one. The bottom one has dead eyes.

[darell1976]

Answering that question is tough darell. It's like asking which one of these women do you want to sleep with??

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4123/4760074390_eca2bfe805.jpg

Or this one...

http://www.gamersbin.com/attachments/f15/12754d1326981380-beautiful-women-thread-emily-scott-bikini-ralph-05.jpg
Top one

[Sader87]

I'd like to say the women at Holy Cross in 1987 were hotter. 99% or so were not....I'm guessing many were smarter than these lovely lasses though.

[frozennorth]

the key matchup in ndsu v marshall would not be moss vs ndsu's secondary but NDSU's DL vs marshalls OL.

[aces1180]

Answering that question is tough darell. It's like asking which one of these women do you want to sleep with??

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4123/4760074390_eca2bfe805.jpg

Or this one...

http://www.gamersbin.com/attachments/f15/12754d1326981380-beautiful-women-thread-emily-scott-bikini-ralph-05.jpg

Lucky for Bison fans, we get both...

[344Johnson]

the key matchup in ndsu v marshall would not be moss vs ndsu's secondary but NDSU's DL vs marshalls OL.


This...can't complete a pass when your laying on your back.

[ysubigred]

Those YSU teams were built alot like NDSU's weren't they? Great defense and a decent offense.

;) Exactly. That's why I've had a problem with what YSU's been trying to do since the 1999 ARSE stomping we took in Chatty by the hands of GSU. After that game it seems like the YSU minds wanted to get the spread "O" and the southern speed and forget the DEFENSE! With our current coaches we really have the worst of both worlds. The "O" is good for a half until a good team figures them out then the offense is offensive! The Defense has just been miserable on the pass rush and coverage. We've stopped the run well but a 3rd grade girl can get open on YSUs DBs etc..

I've seen an improvement on half time adjustments etc from the coaches but I'm not holding my breath.. 5 years of some kind of mid season melt down.. xsmhx

[ysubigred]

I'm obviously biased, but IMO the best offense ever in this division is 1999 GSU team.. That team scored 700 points in a season and our backups got a ton of PT. Scored a ton of points in the playoffs too. Obviously we didn't have the big names that Marshall had but so what.

Just going to put the 99 GSU team up here! YSU had a good Defense that year and got man handled xbawlingx

[penguinpower]

;) Exactly. That's why I've had a problem with what YSU's been trying to do since the 1999 ARSE stomping we took in Chatty by the hands of GSU. After that game it seems like the YSU minds wanted to get the spread "O" and the southern speed and forget the DEFENSE! With our current coaches we really have the worst of both worlds. The "O" is good for a half until a good team figures them out then the offense is offensive! The Defense has just been miserable on the pass rush and coverage. We've stopped the run well but a 3rd grade girl can get open on YSUs DBs etc..

I've seen an improvement on half time adjustments etc from the coaches but I'm not holding my breath.. 5 years of some kind of mid season melt down.. xsmhx




The YSU teams of the 1990's relied on defense, defense and more defense. There were several games where the defense scored more points than the offense or the special teams scored more than the offense. YSU always chose to put the defense on the field first at the coin toss. That would set the tone of the game. The defense was also fun to watch. As a fan I never felt we were out of any game. I remember when Steve McNair came to play at YSU when he was up for the Heisman and we cost him the Heisman. We picked him off 5 times and put 63 points on them. The 1994 team was the best defense YSU ever had. We would do what NDSU did to SDSU. You couldn't run the ball on that defesne. If you even tried to convert a 4th down or critical 3rd down they would make you go backwards. If we had 3 points on the scoreboard you got the feeling we would certainly a win.

Now we get abused like a dirty whore on defense. Makes me sick.

[Bisonator]

This.
I believe NDSU has put together one of the most impressive 1-AA/FCS defenses ever.
None the less, that 1996 Marshall team would have won this hypothetical match up handily.
Nobody had success containing Randy Moss that year and I can't imagine NDSU's secondary doing any better. He was unstoppable.
Moss and that Thundering Herd's overall balanced offensive machine would have been too much for even this impressive Bison defense.
On the other side of the ball, this current NDSU offense would never have been able to keep it close to Marshall.
Today's size difference would be the only thing to lead me to believe it would be a contest.

Alternately, a match up between this NDSU team and some of those Geo. Southern teams would have been a much better game. Classic smash mouth football at it's best. A monster swarming defense against a relentless ground attack. I'd pay to see how that would come out. Regarding Holy Cross, sorry but I have no memory of that team. It certainly sounds like they had an exceptional squad.

Here is the thing though. With NDSU's ball control offense, you have to wonder just how many possessions Marshall would get. If the Bison have the ball for 40 minutes it could easily be a 28-24 type game. Would still be fun to see what would happen.

[BisonBacker]

The YSU teams of the 1990's relied on defense, defense and more defense. There were several games where the defense scored more points than the offense or the special teams scored more than the offense. YSU always chose to put the defense on the field first at the coin toss. That would set the tone of the game. The defense was also fun to watch. As a fan I never felt we were out of any game. I remember when Steve McNair came to play at YSU when he was up for the Heisman and we cost him the Heisman. We picked him off 5 times and put 63 points on them. The 1994 team was the best defense YSU ever had. We would do what NDSU did to SDSU. You couldn't run the ball on that defesne. If you even tried to convert a 4th down or critical 3rd down they would make you go backwards. If we had 3 points on the scoreboard you got the feeling we would certainly a win.

Now we get abused like a dirty whore on defense. Makes me sick.

xlolx I've not seen that analogy yet xlolx

[penguinpower]

Just going to put the 99 GSU team up here! YSU had a good Defense that year and got man handled xbawlingx


The 1999 team did not belong in the NC game. FAMU coasted in the 4th quarter and we came back from a 19 point deficit to win the game. I remember that all the fans left the stadium becuase they thought the game was over. FAMU had thier back up QB in the game and they were on the 19 yeard line going into score. They got cute and threw the ball and Tim Johnson picked it off in the end zone and ran it back to the 30. That was the turing point in the game. The fans were not premitted to reenter the stadium and had to listen to the cannons go off everytime we scored. FAMU was in disbelief that we won that game. They were the better team that year and we shouldn't have played in the NC because we had lost so many starters an we were not good enough on the DL or corners. Ga Southern was also that good but FAMU would have given them a better game. We were totally depleted of depth entering that game.

I remember Adrian Peterson was in a cast on the sidelines and he took it off in the 1st quarter and limped gingerly out to the huddle. I and all the other YSU fans were asking what are they doing that guy is hurt? Then he ran for something like 500 yards on our defense and we couldn't stop him. That game marked the end of the dynasty.

[ysubigred]

The YSU teams of the 1990's relied on defense, defense and more defense. There were several games where the defense scored more points than the offense or the special teams scored more than the offense. YSU always chose to put the defense on the field first at the coin toss. That would set the tone of the game. The defense was also fun to watch. As a fan I never felt we were out of any game. I remember when Steve McNair came to play at YSU when he was up for the Heisman and we cost him the Heisman. We picked him off 5 times and put 63 points on them. The 1994 team was the best defense YSU ever had. We would do what NDSU did to SDSU. You couldn't run the ball on that defesne. If you even tried to convert a 4th down or critical 3rd down they would make you go backwards. If we had 3 points on the scoreboard you got the feeling we would certainly a win.

Now we get abused like a dirty whore on defense. Makes me sick.

Well to be honest the YSU Offense is just as dicked up as the Defense. The SIU game is the first time the YSU's Offense has had a 4th QTR drive for a "W" in 5 years. #12 is a choke artist when it comes down to crunch time. Allot of the "L's" over the last few years were in the hands of the "O" after the "D" blew it.. and could have had a last minute winning drive but #12 and company could not pull it off. Also, like the Indy State game.. All the "O" had to do is kill the clock and keep the "D" off the field in garbage time and they had 3 ~ 3 and outs!! Just a note: Steve McNair accounted for over 600 yards of offense that game. The same thing your bitching about now with this Defense (2013).. Giving up yards etc... Bottom line YSU is 5-1 the only stats that count is the score board xlolx

[penguinpower]

Well to be honest the YSU Offense is just as dicked up as the Defense. The SIU game is the first time the YSU's Offense has had a 4th QTR drive for a "W" in 5 years. #12 is a choke artist when it comes down to crunch time. Allot of the "L's" over the last few years were in the hands of the "O" after the "D" blew it.. and could have had a last minute winning drive but #12 and company could not pull it off. Also, like the Indy State game.. All the "O" had to do is kill the clock and keep the "D" off the field in garbage time and they had 3 ~ 3 and outs!! Just a note: Steve McNair accounted for over 600 yards of offense that game. The same thing your bitching about now with this Defense (2013).. Giving up yards etc... Bottom line YSU is 5-1 the only stats that count is the score board xlolx

I agree with you 100% but the McNair game plan was to let him throw and jump the routes. He was a special player.

I know that we are 5-1 but the only team we played was SIU outside of MSU. Up to this point we have been good enough in the other phases of the game to overcome the adversity, and we have shown flashes of hope on defense.

[thirdgendin]

747 points, to be exact ;) Scoring 59 in the championship game, with our backup QB (Revere) orchestrating three scoring drives really spoke to the depth we had as well.

In 1996, the SoCon was a pretty weak league. Only ASU was a real threat to Marshall that season. That Marshall squad was very, very good, no doubt.

I think GSU, ASU and UNI came the closest to beating Marshall that year (within 17 points), but Marshall beat everyone at least by 2 TD's. Their defense was better than Georgia Southern's in 1999.

Marshall had no I-A games that year, if I recall correctly. Wasn't 1999 the same year Furman beat N.C. State ?

1996 may have been a down year for GSU but not for the SoCon as a whole. In fact, the league had 3 teams in the quarterfinals, and ETSU and Furman ended up losing at the eventual finalists. ETSU won its only playoff game ever (Villanova) and Furman won at Northern Arizona.

Sadly, that was also the last year we won in Boone.

Would that Marshall team have been eligible for the playoffs if the current rules were in place? They took on a ton of transfers.

[ysubigred]

The 1999 team did not belong in the NC game. FAMU coasted in the 4th quarter and we came back from a 19 point deficit to win the game. I remember that all the fans left the stadium becuase they thought the game was over. FAMU had thier back up QB in the game and they were on the 19 yeard line going into score. They got cute and threw the ball and Tim Johnson picked it off in the end zone and ran it back to the 30. That was the turing point in the game. The fans were not premitted to reenter the stadium and had to listen to the cannons go off everytime we scored. FAMU was in disbelief that we won that game. They were the better team that year and we shouldn't have played in the NC because we had lost so many starters an we were not good enough on the DL or corners. Ga Southern was also that good but FAMU would have given them a better game. We were totally depleted of depth entering that game.

I remember Adrian Peterson was in a cast on the sidelines and he took it off in the 1st quarter and limped gingerly out to the huddle. I and all the other YSU fans were asking what are they doing that guy is hurt? Then he ran for something like 500 yards on our defense and we couldn't stop him. That game marked the end of the dynasty.

Umm... That's why the game is played on the field.. YSU earned the 99 NC title shot, It's not what you/we think by who deserved it on paper etc.. xsmhx

[ysubigred]

I agree with you 100% but the McNair game plan was to let him throw and jump the routes. He was a special player.

I know that we are 5-1 but the only team we played was SIU outside of MSU. Up to this point we have been good enough in the other phases of the game to overcome the adversity, and we have shown flashes of hope on defense.

That's why I'm not holding my breath.. I'm still waiting on the mid-season melt down. xprayx that it don't happened. I waited 21 years for the Pirates, I'm not wanting to wait that long for the Guins LOL!! xlolx

[Eagle22]

1996 may have been a down year for GSU but not for the SoCon as a whole. In fact, the league had 3 teams in the quarterfinals, and ETSU and Furman ended up losing at the eventual finalists. ETSU won its only playoff game ever (Villanova) and Furman won at Northern Arizona.

Sadly, that was also the last year we won in Boone.

Would that Marshall team have been eligible for the playoffs if the current rules were in place? They took on a ton of transfers.

Poor job on my part of connecting the dots, what I was trying to suggest was relative to 1999 ... the SoCon in 1996 was not as strong.

Look at what the league members accomplished in 1999 vs. 1996, and tell me in your opinion which year the league was stronger.

Either way, Marshall had a tough team to beat in 1996.

[Sader87]

One other thing about Holy Cross 1987. That team may have had the best staff in FCS history:

Mark Duffner, head coach, now Jacksonville Jags LB Coach.

Kevin Coyle, def coor, now Miami Dolphins DC

Tom Rossley, off coor, now Texas A&M QB Coach...Johnny Football's coach, former SMU HC

Mike Sherman, OL coach, now Dolphins OC...former Packer HC

There were some very good other ones....these are the guys who jumped out at me right now. Brilliant staff offensively and defensively....in many ways far ahead of their time i.e. running spread etc in the mid/late 80s etc.

[Grizzlies82]

This...can't complete a pass when your laying on your back.

Obviously we will never know. However pressure or not, I suspect you'd grow tired of watching Randy Moss scoot down the sideline for touchdowns.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Obviously we will never know. However pressure or not, I suspect you'd grow tired of watching Randy Moss scoot down the sideline for touchdowns.
I dont think you would see him with more than one.

I have seen both teams play live and there is no doubt in my mind who would win that game. NDSU would smother them even with Moss

[Fordham]

Raise your hand if you saw one snap of the 1987 Holy Cross season...

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=41890662

..wait a minute ... maybe that was the '86 HC team ...

[Daved]

The 1999 team did not belong in the NC game. FAMU coasted in the 4th quarter and we came back from a 19 point deficit to win the game. I remember that all the fans left the stadium becuase they thought the game was over. FAMU had thier back up QB in the game and they were on the 19 yeard line going into score. They got cute and threw the ball and Tim Johnson picked it off in the end zone and ran it back to the 30. That was the turing point in the game. The fans were not premitted to reenter the stadium and had to listen to the cannons go off everytime we scored. FAMU was in disbelief that we won that game. They were the better team that year and we shouldn't have played in the NC because we had lost so many starters an we were not good enough on the DL or corners. Ga Southern was also that good but FAMU would have given them a better game. We were totally depleted of depth entering that game.

I remember Adrian Peterson was in a cast on the sidelines and he took it off in the 1st quarter and limped gingerly out to the huddle. I and all the other YSU fans were asking what are they doing that guy is hurt? Then he ran for something like 500 yards on our defense and we couldn't stop him. That game marked the end of the dynasty.Almost every game if not every game that YSU won that year they pulled out in the end--they didn't have as much talent as a lot of teams in 1-AA that year but they had a tremendous amount of heart.In 1994 we had the most talented team in 1-AA but the 1999 team probably wasn't amongst the top 25 but they played with a never say die attitude.

[ysubigred]

Almost every game if not every game that YSU won that year they pulled out in the end--they didn't have as much talent as a lot of teams in 1-AA that year but they had a tremendous amount of heart.In 1994 we had the most talented team in 1-AA but the 1999 team probably wasn't amongst the top 25 but they played with a never say die attitude.

Come on Daved.. What you saw in 1999 was the start of a new era in 1FCS. Since 1982 there was a dominance by a hand full of teams.. Montana, GSU, EKU, Marshall, YSU, etc.. but I believe that 1FCS as a whole through all the conferences put more stock into football and the dominating was over. That's why you're seeing many different teams in the playoffs that's never been there before. There's still dominating teams as far as NC's lately, ASU, and now NDSU but parity is running ramped in 1FCS xbowx It baffles me how YSU fan's think a win by YSU wasn't earned or they were lucky or not deserving xsmhx A WIN is a WIN. That's why the game is played out in 60 minutes.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Come on Daved.. What you saw in 1999 was the start of a new era in 1FCS. Since 1982 there was a dominance by a hand full of teams.. Montana, GSU, EKU, Marshall, YSU, etc.. but I believe that 1FCS as a whole through all the conferences put more stock into football and the dominating was over. That's why you're seeing many different teams in the playoffs that's never been there before. There's still dominating teams as far as NC's lately, ASU, and now NDSU but parity is running ramped in 1FCS xbowx It baffles me how YSU fan's think a win by YSU wasn't earned or they were lucky or not deserving xsmhx A WIN is a WIN. That's why the game is played out in 60 minutes.

When Fordham wins the National Championship, I will say there is parity.

Colgate in '03 was about the closest.

[citdog]

Almost every game if not every game that YSU won that year they pulled out in the end--they didn't have as much talent as a lot of teams in 1-AA that year but they had a tremendous amount of heart.In 1994 we had the most talented team in 1-AA but the 1999 team probably wasn't amongst the top 25 but they played with a never say die attitude.


this guy CHEATED and that's why y'all had success.


http://a.espncdn.com/media/ncf/2004/1111/photo/g_tressel_hi.jpg

[ysubigred]

this guy CHEATED and that's why y'all had success.


http://a.espncdn.com/media/ncf/2004/1111/photo/g_tressel_hi.jpg

This guy cheated and ya'll wasn't successful

http://rlv.zcache.com/jefferson_davis_sp_buttons-rc09d35ed9d874734839f5465bfa28292_x7j1a_8byvr_324. jpg
xlolx

[BisonFan02]

xeekx

Uh oh

[Daved]

Come on Daved.. What you saw in 1999 was the start of a new era in 1FCS. Since 1982 there was a dominance by a hand full of teams.. Montana, GSU, EKU, Marshall, YSU, etc.. but I believe that 1FCS as a whole through all the conferences put more stock into football and the dominating was over. That's why you're seeing many different teams in the playoffs that's never been there before. There's still dominating teams as far as NC's lately, ASU, and now NDSU but parity is running ramped in 1FCS xbowx It baffles me how YSU fan's think a win by YSU wasn't earned or they were lucky or not deserving xsmhx A WIN is a WIN. That's why the game is played out in 60 minutes.All our wins in '99 were earned--sure we were lucky in some but we usually made our own luck---GSU was a very heavy favorite in '99 and the oddsmakers were right.

[blueballs]

O
Come on Daved.. What you saw in 1999 was the start of a new era in 1FCS. Since 1982 there was a dominance by a hand full of teams.. Montana, GSU, EKU, Marshall, YSU, etc.. but I believe that 1FCS as a whole through all the conferences put more stock into football and the dominating was over. That's why you're seeing many different teams in the playoffs that's never been there before. There's still dominating teams as far as NC's lately, ASU, and now NDSU but parity is running ramped in 1FCS xbowx It baffles me how YSU fan's think a win by YSU wasn't earned or they were lucky or not deserving xsmhx A WIN is a WIN. That's why the game is played out in 60 minutes.

I don't entirely agree...

I agree that there is more parity but if Paul Johnson hadn't left GSU after the 2001 season I'd bet anything that GSU would've won the NC in 2002 and 2004 at a very minimum and if GSU had not hired Van Gonad Armanti Edwards wouldn't have gone to App.

IMO coaching turnover has had a much effect as the parity and in some ways it has caused it.

[Chi Panther]

Maybe this will give more color for those of you who don't think that Marshall team played good defense...

UNI also had Brad Meester at Center (2nd RD Pick and still playing) and Dedric Ward as a WR (3rd Rd Pick, 8 year career).

Now Bohl may be a better coach than Pruett.....but NDSU does not have the same talent....

Semifinals
Montana 70, Troy State 7
Marshall 31, Northern Iowa
14

Final
Marshall 49, Montana 29

[ysubigred]

Maybe this will give more color for those of you who don't think that Marshall team played good defense...


That and home field/homerism in Huntington didn't hurt either

xsmiley_wix

[bisonboone11]

Maybe this will give more color for those of you who don't think that Marshall team played good defense...

UNI also had Brad Meester at Center (2nd RD Pick and still playing) and Dedric Ward as a WR (3rd Rd Pick, 8 year career).

Now Bohl may be a better coach than Pruett.....but NDSU does not have the same talent....

Semifinals
Montana 70, Troy State 7
Marshall 31, Northern Iowa
14

Final
Marshall 49, Montana 29
I want to start this off by saying I have no idea how good that Marshall team was. I didn't watch a single game of theirs, so I'm not going to try to guess if this NDSU team could have beaten them.

However, I don't think you can necessarily judge how good a team is by how many future NFL players they have/had. I would guess there are probably a number of teams in the FCS that will prbably have more NFL players than NDSU, as well as Kansas State,but I don't think that means those are better teams than NDSU. It does give you an idea though that the Marshall weren't just going up against a bunch of no-names.

[darell1976]

Does anyone remember when the NFL (I think ESPN filmed it, not quite sure) would pin 2 historical teams against each other (ex. 72 Dolphins vs 85 Bears), I think college football should do that. Even the FCS could do that....2013 NDSU vs 1996 Marshall. That would be cool to see.

[Grizalltheway]

I want to start this off by saying I have no idea how good that Marshall team was. I didn't watch a single game of theirs, so I'm not going to try to guess if this NDSU team could have beaten them.

However, I don't think you can necessarily judge how good a team is by how many future NFL players they have/had. I would guess there are probably a number of teams in the FCS that will prbably have more NFL players than NDSU, as well as Kansas State,but I don't think that means those are better teams than NDSU. It does give you an idea though that the Marshall weren't just going up against a bunch of no-names.

The 1995 Montana team was very good, but most Griz fans agreee that the '96 version was even better. It just so happened that they faced a Marshall team that year that was on another level entirely.

[gotts]

Historically speaking, I think 2013 NDSU is the 3rd best team in the history of football. My rankings:

3. 2013 NDSU
2. 1985 Bears
1. UTC (year not needed, always #1)

[Twentysix]

Historically speaking, I think 2013 NDSU is the 3rd best team in the history of football. My rankings:

3. 2013 NDSU
2. 1985 Bears
1. UTC (year not needed, always #1)

The ballgame team from Tikal in 425 AD was the best sports team of all time. :D

[MyFountainonline]

North Dakota State is great, i just hope that McNeese State is as good as advertised. After their win over Central Arkansas, they look better than Sam Houston State this year!

[Lehigh'98]

Historically speaking, I think 2013 NDSU is the 3rd best team in the history of football. My rankings:

3. 2013 NDSU
2. 1985 Bears
1. UTC (year not needed, always #1)

2.5 - '87 Holy Cross

[jub1982]

Can we save the GOAT talk until the end of the season for NDSU?

[semobison]

Can we save the GOAT talk until the end of the season for NDSU?

I agree, lots of work to do before we can judge the 2013 Bison.

[putter]

GSU or Marshall wouldnt score 17 on NDSU last year or this year.

Move on to the next argument because this one is over.


xcoffeex

This year, I agree. No way Randy Moss, Olandis Gary, and Eric Kresser get shut out by NDSU. There is not one person on in NDSU's secondary that could cover Moss when he was that age...no one

[Sader87]

Who's covering Lockbaum????

[crusader11]

Who's covering Lockbaum????

Who's Lockbaum covering????

[Green1]

Who's Lockbaum covering????


Wreckem???


Damn near Kilt'em!!

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

This year, I agree. No way Randy Moss, Olandis Gary, and Eric Kresser get shut out by NDSU. There is not one person on in NDSU's secondary that could cover Moss when he was that age...no one
Williams has the skills to compete with Moss he just lacks size. NDSU would double team Moss and rough him up off the line all day, he wouldnt even get going.

Sorry but I dont buy they couldnt shut down that Marshall team.

[Bisonator]

This year, I agree. No way Randy Moss, Olandis Gary, and Eric Kresser get shut out by NDSU. There is not one person on in NDSU's secondary that could cover Moss when he was that age...no one

Don't have to cover Moss when he's sitting on the bench for 40+ minutes! And who said we had to shut them out? I could see NDSU winning a 20-17 game.

[Gil Dobie]

Don't have to cover Moss when he's sitting on the bench for 40+ minutes! And who said we had to shut them out? I could see NDSU winning a 20-17 game.

That's what a lot of people don't get. The grinding offense takes up a lot of clock. Jensen gets the ball almost every down with a second or 2 left on the play clock. If the D-Line can get tot he QB, it makes it tough to pass to anyone when you are running backwards.

[Hammerhead]

Bison listed at #2 for time of possession after 6 weeks although they are effectively tied with Gardner-Webb at 35 minutes per game.
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/team/705


Don't have to cover Moss when he's sitting on the bench for 40+ minutes! And who said we had to shut them out? I could see NDSU winning a 20-17 game.

[blueballs]

That's what a lot of people don't get. The grinding offense takes up a lot of clock. Jensen gets the ball almost every down with a second or 2 left on the play clock. If the D-Line can get tot he QB, it makes it tough to pass to anyone when you are running backwards.

That's the thing... I don't think NDSU is more talented than GSU 1999, Marshall 1996, GSU 1986, GSU 1989, or App 2006. BUT, they have a way of never cracking, never getting out of their game plan, and making the plays when they need to- the intangible of winning- and that is HUGE.

[Hammerhead]

I remember the announcers for the K-State game wondering when NDSU would abandon the running game after they fell behind early in the 3rd quarter. The Bison just kept calm and carried on all the way to a W.

[Twentysix]

I remember the announcers for the K-State game wondering when NDSU would abandon the running game after they fell behind early in the 3rd quarter. The Bison just kept calm and carried on all the way to a W.

So you would say the Bison KCCO?

:p

[fmrbearkat]

North Dakota State is great, i just hope that McNeese State is as good as advertised. After their win over Central Arkansas, they look better than Sam Houston State this year!

So exactly how did you come to this conclusion? They got throttled by #4 Northern Iowa (very good team) and we pretty handily beat #2 Eastern Washington (which beat a now 4-1 Oregon State). They struggled with a legit D2 team and we beat the cleats off the entirety of our schedule other than a top 5 FBS team in Texas A&M!! We have 3 FCS losses in the last 3 years combined and 2 of them are in the Natioonal Championship to NDSU. How exactly can you say McNeese has looked better than us? Im not saying they are not a good team because I believe they are very good. But to get beat by UNI that way is kind of alarming as a supporter of our conference. I was really hoping to get 3 in this year but with the problems in Conway it looks like we will only get 2 in. I believe UCA would be a quality win if they were not riddled with injuries accross the board. We are going to have a very tough game when we go to Lake Chuck next week but to say they have looked better than us is pretty far fetched.