AGS Poll Results - Week 5, 2013

[AGSPoll]

Results for 09/30/2013 AGS Poll:
Revised:




1
North Dakota State Bison
1725
69


2
Towson Tigers
1634



3
Northern Iowa Panthers
1580



4
Sam Houston State Bearkats
1578



5
Eastern Illinois Panthers
1419



6
Eastern Washington Eagles
1284



7
Fordham Rams
1278



8
Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
1131



9
Montana State Bobcats
950



10
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
942



11
Cal Poly Mustangs
748



12
Maine Black Bears
741



13
Montana Grizzlies
725



14
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
688



15
Youngstown State Penguins
670



16
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
604



17
McNeese State Cowboys
576



18
Villanova Wildcats
555



19
Central Arkansas Bears
513



20
Wofford Terriers
460



21
Lehigh Mountain Hawks
443



22
Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
421



23
William & Mary Tribe
372



24
Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
326



25
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
265
















Most Significant Win:





Northern Arizona Lumberjacks











Most Significant Loss:





Montana Grizzlies











ORV:




26
New Hampshire Wildcats
243



27
James Madison Dukes
197



28
Charleston Southern Buccaneers
149



29
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
139



30
North Carolina A&T Aggies
121



31
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
48



32
Samford Bulldogs
40



33
Tennessee State Tigers
32



34
Harvard Crimson
27



35
Northwestern State Demons
25



36
Southern Illinois Salukis
19



37
Sacred Heart Pioneers
18



38
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17



39
South Carolina State Bulldogs
15



40
Stony Brook Seawolves
8

[IBleedYellow]

I hate when Worst Loss/Best Win are the same game.

[Twentysix]

I've got a few really minor gripes, but overall, this poll most accurately resembles my poll to date.

UCA is not deserving of the top 25, MSU is not deserving of the top 10. The top 8 is phenomenal. I would put SIU and SELA in. Otherwise I like it, a lot.

[Dane96]

Central Arkansas has no business in this poll at THIS POINT IN THE SEASON. If they go on a tear...then yes.

Montana State is too high.

SDSU potentially too high.

Delaware is way too low.

How Charleston Southern is not in...not sure.

Otherwise...Great poll.


Results for 09/30/2013 AGS Poll:



1
North Dakota State Bison
1750
70


2
Towson Tigers
1657



3T
Sam Houston State Bearkats
1602



3T
Northern Iowa Panthers
1602



5
Eastern Illinois Panthers
1438



6
Eastern Washington Eagles
1305



7
Fordham Rams
1296



8
Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
1147



9
Montana State Bobcats
965



10
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
959



11
Maine Black Bears
750



12
Cal Poly Mustangs
748



13
Montana Grizzlies
745



14
Youngstown State Penguins
696



15
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
692



16
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
612



17
McNeese State Cowboys
582



18
Villanova Wildcats
555



19
Central Arkansas Bears
524



20
Wofford Terriers
462



21
Lehigh Mountain Hawks
456



22
Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
431



23
William & Mary Tribe
379



24
Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
326



25
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
265
















Most Significant Win:





Northern Arizona Lumberjacks











Most Significant Loss:





Montana Grizzlies











ORV:




26
New Hampshire Wildcats
243



27
James Madison Dukes
201



28
Charleston Southern Buccaneers
149



29
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
139



30
North Carolina A&T Aggies
121



31
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
48



32
Samford Bulldogs
40



33
Tennessee State Tigers
32



34
Harvard Crimson
27



35
Northwestern State Demons
25



36
Southern Illinois Salukis
19



37
Sacred Heart Pioneers
18



38
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17



39
South Carolina State Bulldogs
15



40
Stony Brook Seawolves
8

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Youngstown at 14 over Villanova at 18. Really?

[Dane96]

Yeah...that's one I don't understand...but I had Nova at 16...and YSU at 19. 14-19 was a crapshoot in my poll.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Yeah...that's one I don't understand...but I had Nova at 16...and YSU at 19. 14-19 was a crapshoot in my poll.

I agree. It was not easy wading through all those teams in that area.

[BisonBohl]

Why is UCA still getting votes?

[BisonBacker]

I only had one issue in my poll where I messed up and ommited the Bobcats where I had them at #12 but my poll has another team in the slot. I must have been really tired. Otherwise my poll is pretty close to this with the exception being 15-25 especially 20-25 but I think that's to be somewhat expected.

[Twentysix]

YSU doesn't have any negatives in its schedule, Villanova will likely overtake YSU in subsequent polls.

[ValleyTalk]

Youngstown at 14 over Villanova at 18. Really?
MVFC = #1

[BEAR]

Keep hating on the Bears... and watch what happens the next few weeks. Happens that way EVERY time.

[Twentysix]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: Towson Tigers
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Eastern Illinois Panthers
6: Fordham Rams
7: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Maine Black Bears
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: William & Mary Tribe
13: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
14: Southern Illinois Salukis
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: McNeese State Cowboys
18: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
19: Montana Grizzlies
20: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
21: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
22: Montana State Bobcats
23: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
24: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
25: Lehigh Mountain Hawks

Had a lot of teams slotted in 25, I think it ended up being a 6 way tie, but Lehigh was the first one I slotted into 25, so they are representing the tie.

[heath]

Wow....#21 beats #26 and moves up 10 spots to #11
#27 beats #11 and moves up only 6 spots to #21
Many posters DO NOT like team #21 because they play in a weak conference..... that also has team #7 in it. Too many hatersxnodx

[Twentysix]

Wow....#21 beats #26 and moves up 10 spots to #11
#27 beats #11 and moves up only 6 spots to #21
Many posters DO NOT like team #21 because they play in a weak conference..... that also has team #7 in it. Too many hatersxnodx

In week 9 or 10 that is a valid argument, after only 4 games for a lot of teams that is not a valid argument.

[knucklehead]

This was a tough week for me, but I think the result is a very good poll. 1 big exception, CSU at 5-0 should absolutely be in! Someone who didn't put them in please explain?

[Twentysix]

This was a tough week for me, but I think the result is a very good poll. 1 big exception, CSU at 5-0 should absolutely be in! Someone who didn't put them in please explain?

CSU has 149 points, they likely weren't higher than 23 24 or 25, and there are 70 polls. That means almost every single person had them in their poll. They average something like 23.88th place in each poll. You have some teams infront of them that had 23 24 or 25th place plus a few higher rankings scattered in to put them ahead of CSU.

[MSUBobcat]

Wow....#21 beats #26 and moves up 10 spots to #11
#27 beats #11 and moves up only 6 spots to #21
Many posters DO NOT like team #21 because they play in a weak conference..... that also has team #7 in it. Too many hatersxnodx

They moved up only 6 spots b/c of #11 being overrated, not due to being in a weak conference or being hated on. #11 FELL 15 spots to #26.

Always a conspiracy theory with some of that team's fan base.

[Professor Chaos]

I think Coastal Carolina is too high, Charleston-Southern has shown to be just as impressive so far in my estimation and they're not even ranked. I still think CCU should be ranked higher than CSU but it's not that big of a difference. However, I know from putting together my poll that teams 8-13 were tough. I felt there were a lot of teams deserving of being ranked in the top 25 but after the top 7 I had a hard time trying to separate the 8-20 teams. Here's my stab this week:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Eastern Illinois Panthers
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Fordham Rams
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Cal Poly Mustangs
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
12: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
13: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Montana Grizzlies
16: Maine Black Bears
17: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
18: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
19: Youngstown State Penguins
20: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
21: McNeese State Cowboys
22: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
23: Wofford Terriers
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: Charleston Southern Buccaneers

[Lehigh Football Nation]

They moved up only 6 spots b/c of #11 being overrated, not due to being in a weak conference or being hated on. #11 FELL 15 spots to #26.

Always a conspiracy theory with some of that team's fan base.

Says the guy talking down UNH's last-second loss to Central Michigan on a last-second FG.

[ElCid]

How Charleston Southern is not in...not sure.



Because they have played no quality teams. News Flash: The Citadel and App St suck this year. Good on them for those road victories, but their resume is not really all that impressive. They have 4 more easy games before they start the gauntlet beginning 9 Nov and take on Caostal, Gardner Webb, and Liberty. They could be 9-0 at that point but it still would not be overly impressive considering the opponents. Win one or two of their last three and I will give em a vote.

[MSUBobcat]

Says the guy talking down UNH's last-second loss to Central Michigan on a last-second FG.

No, says the guy who looks at UNH's resume and sees nothing that should keep them in the top 20 (or possibly even 25). You sound like Chattown trying to reward them for quality LOSSES and moral victories.

Most everyone on AGS is realizing they were overrated, except you. Which is odd, considering your game thread was titled the OVERRATED BOWL! xrolleyesx

[Twentysix]

This was a tough week for me, but I think the result is a very good poll. 1 big exception, CSU at 5-0 should absolutely be in! Someone who didn't put them in please explain?

You have to realize the poll only reflects average placement versus other teams.

This is the average poll placement of each team in the top 10. Both MSU and SDSU average 12th place on the ballots, but that still makes them the 9th and 10th best teams according to the point system. No team averages 4th place, 6th place, 8th place, 10th place, 11th place, etc. But more than 25 teams average higher than 23.88th place, which puts CSU on the outside of the top 25, even though mostly everyone if not everyone ranked them in the top 25.



NDSU 1 averages 25 points per ballot.
Towson 2.33 averages 23.67 points per ballot
SHSU 3.12 averages 22.88 points per ballot
UNI 3.12 averages 22.88 points per ballot
EIU 5.46 etc.
EWU 7.36
Fordham 7.49
CCU 9.62
MSU 12.22
SDSU 12.3

[ElCid]

Because they have played no quality teams. News Flash: The Citadel and App St suck this year. Good on them for those road victories, but their resume is not really all that impressive. They have 4 more easy games before they start the gauntlet beginning 9 Nov and take on Caostal, Gardner Webb, and Liberty. They could be 9-0 at that point but it still would not be overly impressive considering the opponents. Win one or two of their last three and I will give em a vote.

The combined record of Chas So's Div I opponents is 4-13. I could not find the record for Shorter, a Div II, but they only beat them 23-15 at home.

[heath]

The combined record of Chas So's Div I opponents is 4-13. I could not find the record for Shorter, a Div II, but they only beat them 23-15 at home.
(4-19), Shorter 0-4. Char. Southern is not ready to get into top 25

[Dane96]

Because they have played no quality teams. News Flash: The Citadel and App St suck this year. Good on them for those road victories, but their resume is not really all that impressive. They have 4 more easy games before they start the gauntlet beginning 9 Nov and take on Caostal, Gardner Webb, and Liberty. They could be 9-0 at that point but it still would not be overly impressive considering the opponents. Win one or two of their last three and I will give em a vote.

I don't disagree entirely with your statement. However, I think compared to other teams, for example Bethune, they are just as worthy.

Speaking of Bethune-- Please someone explain to me their ranking? FIU is beyond garbage. Virginia Union is an AWFUL DII team this season. I can't gather what to make of Tenn State. FSU...well...they are just very good.

So...what is Bethune's claim to fame? A win over an FIU team that would barely be in the Top 40 of FCS...and I do mean barely at best. And a win over a bad DII and a Top 40 (at best) Tenn State.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

No, says the guy who looks at UNH's resume and sees nothing that should keep them in the top 20 (or possibly even 25). You sound like Chattown trying to reward them for quality LOSSES and moral victories.

Most everyone on AGS is realizing they were overrated, except you. Which is odd, considering your game thread was titled the OVERRATED BOWL! xrolleyesx

Has irony made it to Billings yet?

[heath]

In week 9 or 10 that is a valid argument, after only 4 games for a lot of teams that is not a valid argument.
Thank you. You just supported my argument of waiting til October for polls, so that uneducated people do not vote on teams they know zero about.xconfusedx

[Professor Chaos]

I don't disagree entirely with your statement. However, I think compared to other teams, for example Bethune, they are just as worthy.

Speaking of Bethune-- Please someone explain to me their ranking? FIU is beyond garbage. Virginia Union is an AWFUL DII team this season. I can't gather what to make of Tenn State. FSU...well...they are just very good.

So...what is Bethune's claim to fame? A win over an FIU team that would barely be in the Top 40 of FCS...and I do mean barely at best. And a win over a bad DII and a Top 40 (at best) Tenn State.
They didn't just beat FIU, they crushed them. Even a bad FBS (with the exception Georgia St) is a quality win especially when by that margin. Tennessee St was also a good win. That's two quality wins which is as much or more than most other teams in the top 25 can claim. I have them at #17 so I don't think they're world beaters but I think they're definitely deserving of that spot.

[Twentysix]

They didn't just beat FIU, they crushed them. Even a bad FBS (with the exception Georgia St) is a quality win especially when by that margin. Tennessee St was also a good win. That's two quality wins which is as much or more than most other teams in the top 25 can claim. I have them at #17 so I don't think they're world beaters but I think they're definitely deserving of that spot.

After like 7th place or something the subdivision seems pretty weak. I really hope the level of play kicks into high gear in the coming weeks.

[Dane96]

They didn't just beat FIU, they crushed them. Even a bad FBS (with the exception Georgia St) is a quality win especially when by that margin. Tennessee St was also a good win. That's two quality wins which is as much or more than most other teams in the top 25 can claim. I have them at #17 so I don't think they're world beaters but I think they're definitely deserving of that spot.

Crushed? Really? How so? I really want to hear this argument.

Bethune rushed the crap out of FIU and stuffed the FIU run game. Conversely, the passing game was non-existent for Bethune while FIU's offense relied on the pass and did well.

Bethune had one score courtesy of a 92 yard INT return.

Bethune had 50% of the TOP for the game, which is understandable because they played ground and pound with a mind-boggling 52 rushing attempts. A large majority of the TOP came in the 3rd Qtr.

3rd down, 4th down and Red-zone conversions were nearly identical. BCU had their way on first down.

So...like I said, FIU is barely capable of being a Top 40 team in FCS play. Nice win for BCU...but this is the only reason they are ranked, IMHO. It's not reason enough.

[UIWWildthing]

Towson still too low ;)

[knucklehead]

You have to realize the poll only reflects average placement versus other teams.

This is the average poll placement of each team in the top 10. Both MSU and SDSU average 12th place on the ballots, but that still makes them the 9th and 10th best teams according to the point system. No team averages 4th place, 6th place, 8th place, 10th place, 11th place, etc. But more than 25 teams average higher than 23.88th place, which puts CSU on the outside of the top 25, even though mostly everyone if not everyone ranked them in the top 25.



NDSU 1 averages 25 points per ballot.
Towson 2.33 averages 23.67 points per ballot
SHSU 3.12 averages 22.88 points per ballot
UNI 3.12 averages 22.88 points per ballot
EIU 5.46 etc.
EWU 7.36
Fordham 7.49
CCU 9.62
MSU 12.22
SDSU 12.3



Yea, that actually makes sense. I get it now. Thanks for taking the time!

[Fear the Bird]

One of the tougher weeks I can remember. I feel very good about my top 8 and it is close to the masses, but my 9-22 could be anywhere in that range. I wouldn't complain if my 9 was 22 and vice versa - it was very difficult to do and this weekend has at least 5 matchups at first glance that should clear the muddy waters.

[ElCid]

I don't disagree entirely with your statement. However, I think compared to other teams, for example Bethune, they are just as worthy.

Speaking of Bethune-- Please someone explain to me their ranking? FIU is beyond garbage. Virginia Union is an AWFUL DII team this season. I can't gather what to make of Tenn State. FSU...well...they are just very good.

So...what is Bethune's claim to fame? A win over an FIU team that would barely be in the Top 40 of FCS...and I do mean barely at best. And a win over a bad DII and a Top 40 (at best) Tenn State.

All valid points. I will admit B-C has snuck into my poll, barely. Primarily based upon their perf against FIU. I have so many crowding just outside of 25 that I can probably find a replacement fairly easily but I just have a feeling that B-C is pretty good so I gave them the benefit of the doubt. But they are on my boot list in case they falter even a bit.

[WileECoyote06]

I don't disagree entirely with your statement. However, I think compared to other teams, for example Bethune, they are just as worthy.

Speaking of Bethune-- Please someone explain to me their ranking? FIU is beyond garbage. Virginia Union is an AWFUL DII team this season. I can't gather what to make of Tenn State. FSU...well...they are just very good.

So...what is Bethune's claim to fame? A win over an FIU team that would barely be in the Top 40 of FCS...and I do mean barely at best. And a win over a bad DII and a Top 40 (at best) Tenn State.

That win over Tenn State, is a top 40 win. As a matter of fact, Tennessee State is in the top 25 of the Massey Ratings. And a win over FIU is still a win over an FBS team, and is equivalent to any team that gained voting favor by defeating Georgia State or UMass.

[B.T.C.]

I think Coastal Carolina is too high, Charleston-Southern has shown to be just as impressive so far in my estimation and they're not even ranked. I still think CCU should be ranked higher than CSU but it's not that big of a difference.

I'm not going to take issue with saying that CCU is too high. It is early in the season and it is difficult to tell really where these teams will end up at year's end. However, to say that CSU has been "just as impressive" as CCU thus far is a bit absurd. CCU has dropped 50+ points for three straight games - first time in conference history. CCU has dropped 500+ yards for three straight games and, I believe, have racked up 600+ in consecutive games. I don't think you can point to one thing that CSU has done that has been remotely as impressive as the LEAST impressive thing Coastal has done, let alone "just as".

Dispute Coastal's ranking all you want (FYI - they're ranked #6 in the Coaches Poll that was just released, while CSU only garnered 41 'other' votes), but let's not compared the Bucs and Chanticleers as being equals here.

[Dane96]

All valid points. I will admit B-C has snuck into my poll, barely. Primarily based upon their perf against FIU. I have so many crowding just outside of 25 that I can probably find a replacement fairly easily but I just have a feeling that B-C is pretty good so I gave them the benefit of the doubt. But they are on my boot list in case they falter even a bit.


Yup...I agree with your logic. I too have them just outside of my Top 25. I do have AT&T in my poll. Frankly, this was one of the hardest week's to poll in memory for me.

I just think CSU at 5-0 deserves to be in the polls. 5-0...is 5-0.

[ElCid]

You have to realize the poll only reflects average placement versus other teams.

This is the average poll placement of each team in the top 10. Both MSU and SDSU average 12th place on the ballots, but that still makes them the 9th and 10th best teams according to the point system. No team averages 4th place, 6th place, 8th place, 10th place, 11th place, etc. But more than 25 teams average higher than 23.88th place, which puts CSU on the outside of the top 25, even though mostly everyone if not everyone ranked them in the top 25.



NDSU 1 averages 25 points per ballot.
Towson 2.33 averages 23.67 points per ballot
SHSU 3.12 averages 22.88 points per ballot
UNI 3.12 averages 22.88 points per ballot
EIU 5.46 etc.
EWU 7.36
Fordham 7.49
CCU 9.62
MSU 12.22
SDSU 12.3



I have this on my spread sheet I use so I can see how close teams are to consensus picks for each slot. I think this data reveals quite a bit.

[MSUBobcat]

Has irony made it to Billings yet?

Has the concept of journalistic objectivity for a person who claims to publish "the premier media organization for FCS football" xrolleyesx made it to Bethlehem yet?

[Professor Chaos]

Crushed? Really? How so? I really want to hear this argument.

Bethune rushed the crap out of FIU and stuffed the FIU run game. Conversely, the passing game was non-existent for Bethune while FIU's offense relied on the pass and did well.

Bethune had one score courtesy of a 92 yard INT return.

Bethune had 50% of the TOP for the game, which is understandable because they played ground and pound with a mind-boggling 52 rushing attempts. A large majority of the TOP came in the 3rd Qtr.

3rd down, 4th down and Red-zone conversions were nearly identical. BCU had their way on first down.

So...like I said, FIU is barely capable of being a Top 40 team in FCS play. Nice win for BCU...but this is the only reason they are ranked, IMHO. It's not reason enough.
Let me clue you in on the only stat that matters: BCU 34, FIU 13.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I'm not going to take issue with saying that CCU is too high. It is early in the season and it is difficult to tell really where these teams will end up at year's end. However, to say that CSU has been "just as impressive" as CCU thus far is a bit absurd. CCU has dropped 50+ points for three straight games - first time in conference history. CCU has dropped 500+ yards for three straight games and, I believe, have racked up 600+ in consecutive games. I don't think you can point to one thing that CSU has done that has been remotely as impressive as the LEAST impressive thing Coastal has done, let alone "just as".

Dispute Coastal's ranking all you want (FYI - they're ranked #6 in the Coaches Poll that was just released, while CSU only garnered 41 'other' votes), but let's not compared the Bucs and Chanticleers as being equals here.

CCU's ranking could have been the toughest question to answer on my poll this time around. It is hard to gauge how good they are. I think I probably put them too high in my poll, but man, 5-0 with road wins at some pretty tough FCS venues... it was hard to justify dropping them below other teams.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Has the concept of journalistic objectivity for a person who claims to publish "the premier media organization for FCS football" xrolleyesx made it to Bethlehem yet?

You forgot the link.

http://www.college-sports-journal.com

You seem oddly obsessed about how a little private school from Bethlehem does, posting on a UNH/Lehigh thread when you should have been in the away section at North Dakota cheering on "your team".

[B.T.C.]

CCU's ranking could have been the toughest question to answer on my poll this time around. It is hard to gauge how good they are. I think I probably put them too high in my poll, but man, 5-0 with road wins at some pretty tough FCS venues... it was hard to justify dropping them below other teams.

I agree entirely, which is why I wasn't pushing Coastal's ranking in my post. I get that they could be 6th (Coaches Poll) or 25th. Who knows? They're a wild card right now; however, all that will be answered in their next two games against GWU and Liberty. If they can win those games, then they're probably a legitimate top five team. If they continue to score 50 points on those teams, they may have one hell of a playoff run.

My post was more in regard to comparing CSU and CCU as equals. That they are not. Argue Coastal's position all anyone wants...just make sure when you place Coastal at X-seed that CSU is about 25 spots lower than that.

[bjtheflamesfan]

Because they have played no quality teams. News Flash: The Citadel and App St suck this year. Good on them for those road victories, but their resume is not really all that impressive. They have 4 more easy games before they start the gauntlet beginning 9 Nov and take on Caostal, Gardner Webb, and Liberty. They could be 9-0 at that point but it still would not be overly impressive considering the opponents. Win one or two of their last three and I will give em a vote.


I made a comment about them on the Liberty board...I really am not sold on them as being the third best team in the Big South. Citdog's boys have not impressed this year and App State (with all deference to Apphole and the rest of Mountaineer Nation on here) is not the same since Jerry Moore left. Personally Id put Gardner-Webb as the third team in the Big South ahead of the Bucs, and they really are not doing much to help their chances playing North Greenville this week (regardless of the fact that they beat VMI, who is the conference dumpster fire this year). For the record here is my ballot this week so feel free Dane96 and whoever else to rage with butthurt over my ballot:


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Towson Tigers
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: Eastern Illinois Panthers
8: Fordham Rams
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
11: Montana State Bobcats
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
14: Youngstown State Penguins
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
17: Maine Black Bears
18: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
19: William & Mary Tribe
20: McNeese State Cowboys
21: Valparaiso Crusaders
22: James Madison Dukes
23: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
24: Wofford Terriers
25: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks

21 btw was an oversight that I was not notified about

[Dane96]

Let me clue you in on the only stat that matters: BCU 34, FIU 13.

Sigh.

[BisonBacker]

I think Coastal Carolina is too high, Charleston-Southern has shown to be just as impressive so far in my estimation and they're not even ranked. I still think CCU should be ranked higher than CSU but it's not that big of a difference. However, I know from putting together my poll that teams 8-13 were tough. I felt there were a lot of teams deserving of being ranked in the top 25 but after the top 7 I had a hard time trying to separate the 8-20 teams. Here's my stab this week:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Eastern Illinois Panthers
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Fordham Rams
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Cal Poly Mustangs
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
12: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
13: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Montana Grizzlies
16: Maine Black Bears
17: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
18: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
19: Youngstown State Penguins
20: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
21: McNeese State Cowboys
22: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
23: Wofford Terriers
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: Charleston Southern Buccaneers


Just curious what it is about their schedule that you don't like? I think at this point having them in the top 10 is valid.

[LeeshaJo]

Results for 09/30/2013 AGS Poll:



1
North Dakota State Bison
1750
70


2
Towson Tigers
1657



3T
Sam Houston State Bearkats
1602



3T
Northern Iowa Panthers
1602



5
Eastern Illinois Panthers
1438



6
Eastern Washington Eagles
1305



7
Fordham Rams
1296



8
Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
1147



9
Montana State Bobcats
965



10
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
959



11
Maine Black Bears
750



12
Cal Poly Mustangs
748



13
Montana Grizzlies
745



14
Youngstown State Penguins
696



15
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
692



16
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
612



17
McNeese State Cowboys
582



18
Villanova Wildcats
555



19
Central Arkansas Bears
524



20
Wofford Terriers
462



21
Lehigh Mountain Hawks
456



22
Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
431



23
William & Mary Tribe
379



24
Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
326



25
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
265
















Most Significant Win:





Northern Arizona Lumberjacks











Most Significant Loss:





Montana Grizzlies











ORV:




26
New Hampshire Wildcats
243



27
James Madison Dukes
201



28
Charleston Southern Buccaneers
149



29
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
139



30
North Carolina A&T Aggies
121



31
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
48



32
Samford Bulldogs
40



33
Tennessee State Tigers
32



34
Harvard Crimson
27



35
Northwestern State Demons
25



36
Southern Illinois Salukis
19



37
Sacred Heart Pioneers
18



38
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17



39
South Carolina State Bulldogs
15



40
Stony Brook Seawolves
8





I don't have my ballot here at work or I would post it...

In my mind, 1-6 were easy (NDSU, UNI, SHSU, Towson, EIU, EWU --in that order), 7-15 or so are interchangeable all good teams capable of winning a lot of games, but not sure which team is better than the next, some of them will step up, some will fall, I figure it will shake out over the next few weeks, 16-35 is a cluster... there are about 20 teams that could claim they deserve to be ranked in this range (I figure this is where regional bias is going to show the most) but seriously, it too will balance out in the next few weeks.

[Sammy94]

Why is UCA still getting votes?

Was UCA's game vs the bye week that rough???? Perhaps they got the wrong purple team in mind? Not the one that lost to PV....xlolx

[ElCid]

I agree entirely, which is why I wasn't pushing Coastal's ranking in my post. I get that they could be 6th (Coaches Poll) or 25th. Who knows? They're a wild card right now; however, all that will be answered in their next two games against GWU and Liberty. If they can win those games, then they're probably a legitimate top five team. If they continue to score 50 points on those teams, they may have one hell of a playoff run.

My post was more in regard to comparing CSU and CCU as equals. That they are not. Argue Coastal's position all anyone wants...just make sure when you place Coastal at X-seed that CSU is about 25 spots lower than that.

I agree at this point. At least until 9 Nov when it will be answered for certiain. I think it will play out like everyone thinks though. CCU has done great this year to date. CSU is better this year than last, but not ready for prime time yet. They could very well lose their last three and end up at 9-3. A good year and great for the program, but not playoff material.

[Professor Chaos]

Just curious what it is about their schedule that you don't like? I think at this point having them in the top 10 is valid.
Their best win is South Carolina St which doesn't impress me all that much. I thought EKU was a good win when they beat them but it's looking less and less like that. Furman is a decent win but I don't see quality wins in that group that justifies them being at #8. I definitely think they're in the top 20. But again, 8-20 for me was tough this week so it's not like I have a bunch of teams that definitely should be ranked above them, I'm just curious why the consensus is that they're the best of that 8-20 group.

[MSUBobcat]

You forgot the link.

http://www.college-sports-journal.com

You seem oddly obsessed about how a little private school from Bethlehem does, posting on a UNH/Lehigh thread when you should have been in the away section at North Dakota cheering on "your team".

Just responding to direct posts. My first post in that thread congratulated Lehigh, while saying UNH was probably too high. It also said, "I think UNH falls a lot more than Lehigh climbs." which was also correct.

FYI, my friend in GF had a ticket on the 50, first row for me. Unfortunately I had a bachelor party to throw for another friend, so I couldn't make it.

Edit: I didn't forget the link. I don't think it is worth posting. xpeacex

[MSUBobcat]

I made a comment about them on the Liberty board...I really am not sold on them as being the third best team in the Big South. Citdog's boys have not impressed this year and App State (with all deference to Apphole and the rest of Mountaineer Nation on here) is not the same since Jerry Moore left. Personally Id put Gardner-Webb as the third team in the Big South ahead of the Bucs, and they really are not doing much to help their chances playing North Greenville this week (regardless of the fact that they beat VMI, who is the conference dumpster fire this year). For the record here is my ballot this week so feel free Dane96 and whoever else to rage with butthurt over my ballot:


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Towson Tigers
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: Eastern Illinois Panthers
8: Fordham Rams
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
11: Montana State Bobcats
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
14: Youngstown State Penguins
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
17: Maine Black Bears
18: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
19: William & Mary Tribe
20: McNeese State Cowboys
21: Valparaiso Crusaders
22: James Madison Dukes
23: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
24: Wofford Terriers
25: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks

21 btw was an oversight that I was not notified about

UM at 6, but NAU at 23??? or 25 xlolx????

[Dane96]

He has fricken Valp in there!!!!

[bjtheflamesfan]

Well excuse me...I have stayed pretty high on MSU even withough McGhee and while the win over the Griz is good (and they ended up there because I was rearranging things and I guess I wasnt feeling anybody except probably EIU moving that high up), I am still not quite sure that the Jacks (not to be confused with the Jackrabbits) are a top half team at this point, and again, Valpo was an oversight. I usually select and then just tap through the schools with the appropriate letter until I get the right one. I was trying to put Villanova in that spot

[Dane96]

Valp and NAU twice. Two big oversights.

Oh...and Youngstown TWICE.

I am not going to argue the rest of the poll because I could care less who you ranked where AND because the committee should have notified you that your poll was going to be tossed for so many ERRORS unless you fixed it.

You basically mis-slotted 5 teams (two doubles and one complete craziness).

[Nova09]

Well excuse me...I have stayed pretty high on MSU even withough McGhee and while the win over the Griz is good (and they ended up there because I was rearranging things and I guess I wasnt feeling anybody except probably EIU moving that high up), I am still not quite sure that the Jacks (not to be confused with the Jackrabbits) are a top half team at this point, and again, Valpo was an oversight. I usually select and then just tap through the schools with the appropriate letter until I get the right one. I was trying to put Villanova in that spot

Figured you meant Nova in that spot, and frankly not concerned with the 5 points, but if that ballot did go through it is a bit upsetting bc of the 2 teams you have listed twice. That's a lot of free points/points denied other teams.

[bjtheflamesfan]

Im surprised that I wasnt notified for those as well, in my email OR my PM. Anyway, I'll revert to my week 4 ballot for next week's baseline

[Fear the Bird]

Well excuse me...I have stayed pretty high on MSU even withough McGhee and while the win over the Griz is good (and they ended up there because I was rearranging things and I guess I wasnt feeling anybody except probably EIU moving that high up), I am still not quite sure that the Jacks (not to be confused with the Jackrabbits) are a top half team at this point, and again, Valpo was an oversight. I usually select and then just tap through the schools with the appropriate letter until I get the right one. I was trying to put Villanova in that spot

BJ we are talking about Montana at #6, not Montana State at #11 and with YSU twice, NAU twice, and Valpo - how was this poll accepted?

[MSUBobcat]

Well excuse me...I have stayed pretty high on MSU even withough McGhee and while the win over the Griz is good (and they ended up there because I was rearranging things and I guess I wasnt feeling anybody except probably EIU moving that high up), I am still not quite sure that the Jacks (not to be confused with the Jackrabbits) are a top half team at this point, and again, Valpo was an oversight. I usually select and then just tap through the schools with the appropriate letter until I get the right one. I was trying to put Villanova in that spot

You are entitled to your opinion and if that's where you wanted the Griz, that's fine. However, last week you had the Griz at #7, so the loss to NAU gained them a spot in the rankings??? And NAU either increase one spot or decreased one depending on if you meant to put them at 23 or 25.

[bjtheflamesfan]

I honestly don't know how my poll was accepted with the doubles either my friend...as I said, Im reverting to week 4 as my baseline for week 6. NAU was #25 in my week 4 ballot so they moved up two spots from week 4 to week 5 (even with the noted errors).

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

It's starting to get a little easier. I think there's about 6 or 7 teams that are starting to separate themselves from the pack...

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Eastern Illinois Panthers
6: Fordham Rams
7: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Villanova Wildcats
10: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
11: Montana State Bobcats
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: Maine Black Bears
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
18: William & Mary Tribe
19: McNeese State Cowboys
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
22: Montana Grizzlies
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
25: Wofford Terriers

[citdog]

It's starting to get a little easier. I think there's about 6 or 7 teams that are starting to separate themselves from the pack...

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Eastern Illinois Panthers
6: Fordham Rams
7: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Villanova Wildcats
10: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
11: Montana State Bobcats
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: Maine Black Bears
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
18: William & Mary Tribe
19: McNeese State Cowboys
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
22: Montana Grizzlies
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
25: Wofford Terriers


Didn't you have something smart to say last week when I said that Charleston Southern deserved to be ranked?

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Didn't you have something smart to say last week when I said that Charleston Southern deserved to be ranked?

Absolutely not....I've been on the Big South bandwagon all year. I wanted to rank Liberty as well but couldn't find room.

Liberty, Harvard, BCU, NC A&T were on the "cusp"

[Professor Chaos]

It's starting to get a little easier. I think there's about 6 or 7 teams that are starting to separate themselves from the pack...

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Eastern Illinois Panthers
6: Fordham Rams
7: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Villanova Wildcats
10: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
11: Montana State Bobcats
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: Maine Black Bears
14: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
15: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
18: William & Mary Tribe
19: McNeese State Cowboys
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
22: Montana Grizzlies
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
25: Wofford Terriers
New Hampshire above SDSU? What's your justification for that?

[Twentysix]

I honestly don't know how my poll was accepted with the doubles either my friend...as I said, Im reverting to week 4 as my baseline for week 6. NAU was #25 in my week 4 ballot so they moved up two spots from week 4 to week 5 (even with the noted errors).

Obviously you embraced my mescaline fueled prophetic poll process, the MF PPP, aka Motha****in ppp.

http://www.biopark.org/peru/peyote-cluster-03w.JPG

Stay spikey my friend.

Btw your week 7 poll should look like this:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: North Dakota State Bison
7: North Dakota State Bison
8: North Dakota State Bison
9: North Dakota State Bison
10: North Dakota State Bison
11: North Dakota State Bison
12: North Dakota State Bison
13: North Dakota State Bison
14: North Dakota State Bison
15: North Dakota State Bison
16: North Dakota State Bison
17: North Dakota State Bison
18: North Dakota State Bison
19: North Dakota State Bison
20: North Dakota State Bison
21: Towson Tigers
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: Sam Houston State Bearkats
24: Eastern Illinois Panthers
25: Fordham Rams

It would be pretty accurate.

[Twentysix]

New Hampshire above SDSU? What's your justification for that?

He is from the Northeast. Only justification needed.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

New Hampshire above SDSU? What's your justification for that?

A flip of the coin. SDSU has 2 wins over BAD teams, UNH has one, both teams have two losses. Both teams definitely fall into the "fringe top 25", pull names out of hat territory....

Odd are both are unranked in a couple weeks imo...

[Twentysix]

A flip of the coin. SDSU has 2 wins over BAD teams, UNH has one, both teams have two losses. Both teams definitely fall into the "fringe top 25", pull names out of hat territory....

Odd are both are unranked in a couple weeks imo...

One of those teams held NDSU to 7 points for 47 minutes, the other lost to Lehigh. ;)

SDSU will make the playoffs, UNH won't. Not to mention SELA is a good win.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

One of those teams held NDSU to 7 points for 47 minutes, the other lost to Lehigh. ;)

SDSU will make the playoffs, UNH won't.

And one team has he longest run of consecutive weeks in the Top 25....

SDSU has at least one more loss in UNI. I think they lose to either SIU and YSU as well. Both teams are in trouble this week. To debate between UNH and SDSU is a bit ridiculous. Your biggest claim for SDSU is a moral victory against NDSU.

[penguinpower]

YSU is not a top 15 team. They should be 15 or below until they show me they can play an entire game on defense without giving up an embarrassing number of yards.

[Professor Chaos]

A flip of the coin. SDSU has 2 wins over BAD teams, UNH has one, both teams have two losses. Both teams definitely fall into the "fringe top 25", pull names out of hat territory....

Odd are both are unranked in a couple weeks imo...
I think you're undervaluing SDSU. They lost to an FBS team that's on the fringe of the AP Top 25 and in the Coach's Top 25 and to the consensus #1 FCS team in the country. They've beaten a good SELA team. I think they'll bounce back but I wouldn't be surprised to see UNH do the same and both end up in the playoffs.

[Twentysix]

YSU is not a top 15 team. They should be 15 or below until they show me they can play an entire game on defense without giving up an embarrassing number of yards.

NDSU will give you a free clinic on how to do that in seven weeks. ;)

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I think you're undervaluing SDSU. They lost to an FBS team that's on the fringe of the AP Top 25 and in the Coach's Top 25 and to the consensus #1 FCS team in the country. They've beaten a good SELA team. I think they'll bounce back but I wouldn't be surprised to see UNH do the same and both end up in the playoffs.

And one could still be undervaluing UNH as well. SDSU got smoked by a fringe Top 25 team, UNH barely lost to to a bad FBS team. SDSU lost to the #1 at home by 20, UNH lost on the road to a Top 20 team by 7. I mean really? Who cares between the two teams. The only reason i feel this is debated is because some how this circles back to Lehigh. Which would be ridiculous if true...

[penguinpower]

NDSU will give you a free clinic on how to do that in seven weeks. ;)

Based on what I've seen from YSU's defensive coaching staff, the clinic won't take because you will be dealing with a defensive football IQ in the 67 range.


IQ Range ("deviation IQ")

IQ Classification



132 and above

Very superior



121–131

Superior



111–120

High average



89–110

Average



79–88

Low average



68–78

Slow learner



67 or below

Mentally retarded

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I made a comment about them on the Liberty board...I really am not sold on them as being the third best team in the Big South. Citdog's boys have not impressed this year and App State (with all deference to Apphole and the rest of Mountaineer Nation on here) is not the same since Jerry Moore left. Personally Id put Gardner-Webb as the third team in the Big South ahead of the Bucs, and they really are not doing much to help their chances playing North Greenville this week (regardless of the fact that they beat VMI, who is the conference dumpster fire this year). For the record here is my ballot this week so feel free Dane96 and whoever else to rage with butthurt over my ballot:


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Towson Tigers
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: Eastern Illinois Panthers
8: Fordham Rams
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
11: Montana State Bobcats
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
14: Youngstown State Penguins
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
17: Maine Black Bears
18: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
19: William & Mary Tribe
20: McNeese State Cowboys
21: Valparaiso Crusaders
22: James Madison Dukes
23: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
24: Wofford Terriers
25: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks

21 btw was an oversight that I was not notified about

You weren't notified? It is incumbent on YOU the voter to look over your ballot and notify US. We try to give each vote a gander and catch everything we can but you only have ONE ballot to look at and we normally have to sort 80-120 even though this week was 70 I think you get a picture of the fairly large task.

Check your own ballots and alert us to anything you messed up.

[Professor Chaos]

And one could still be undervaluing UNH as well. SDSU got smoked by a fringe Top 25 team, UNH barely lost to to a bad FBS team. SDSU lost to the #1 at home by 20, UNH lost on the road to a Top 20 team by 7. I mean really? Who cares between the two teams. The only reason i feel this is debated is because some how this circles back to Lehigh. Which would be ridiculous if true...
You're waaaaaay too defensive about Lehigh. I'm merely saying that SDSU has lost two games that pretty much any other FCS team in the country would be expected to lose and they have a good win against SE Louisiana. UNH was simply the easiest team to pick out in front of SDSU in your ballot but I'd also argue that SDSU should be ahead of teams like Central Arkansas or William & Mary.

[Twentysix]

You weren't notified? It is incumbent on YOU the voter to look over your ballot and notify US. We try to give each vote a gander and catch everything we can but you only have ONE ballot to look at and we normally have to sort 80-120 even though this week was 70 I think you get a picture of the fairly large task.

Check your own ballots and alert us to anything you messed up.

I was going to say something to this effect, but I decided I'd rather make a joke about hallucinogens. xsmugx priorities.

[clenz]

You weren't notified? It is incumbent on YOU the voter to look over your ballot and notify US. We try to give each vote a gander and catch everything we can but you only have ONE ballot to look at and we normally have to sort 80-120 even though this week was 70 I think you get a picture of the fairly large task.

Check your own ballots and alert us to anything you messed up.

Agreed. It's like the people that bitch about my game...irritating

Sent from a, likely, NSA tracked device

[heath]

You're waaaaaay too defensive about Lehigh. I'm merely saying that SDSU has lost two games that pretty much any other FCS team in the country would be expected to lose and they have a good win against SE Louisiana. UNH was simply the easiest team to pick out in front of SDSU in your ballot but I'd also argue that SDSU should be ahead of teams like Central Arkansas or William & Mary.
Didn't SDSU rise in a few polls after their loss this week?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I was going to say something to this effect, but I decided I'd rather make a joke about hallucinogens. xsmugx priorities.

bj has a high result of f'n up his ballot and that just makes me sick that got by anyone. Really unhappy about that cuz it makes us look like ****.

Start looking at your damn ballots and help us all do a little better job if you are not doing so. That is pathetic on AGS' part and bj you certainly share in that shame. You are the first line of defense on these matters so you not doing your job won't be set aside as just my fault here.

[bjtheflamesfan]

I was going to say something to this effect, but I decided I'd rather make a joke about hallucinogens. xsmugx priorities.

Point duly noted UAH...I will take a closer look at my ballots from here on out

[Professor Chaos]

Didn't SDSU rise in a few polls after their loss this week?
No, I dropped them from #8 to #12 on my ballot and they dropped in all 3 major polls as well.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Moral of story... don't post your ballots xlolx

Seriously, it's a mistake anyone could make. One week I had Illinois State twice. It happens.

[Twentysix]

Moral of story... don't post your ballots xlolx

Seriously, it's a mistake anyone could make. One week I had Illinois State twice. It happens.

Get the pitch forks!

[Fear the Bird]

Moral of story... don't post your ballots xlolx

Seriously, it's a mistake anyone could make. One week I had Illinois State twice. It happens.

Did your #6 team in said poll get boat raced by NAU?

[LeadBolt]

The picture is still fuzzy about teams strengths and where they should be ranked. It should become clearer over the next couple of weeks. If I were voting in the poll, I have no idea where to put the W&M Tribe, which is the team I follow and know the most about.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

The picture is still fuzzy about teams strengths and where they should be ranked. It should become clearer over the next couple of weeks. If I were voting in the poll, I have no idea where to put the W&M Tribe, which is the team I follow and know the most about.

No. 20. That's where I have them.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

The picture is still fuzzy about teams strengths and where they should be ranked. It should become clearer over the next couple of weeks. If I were voting in the poll, I have no idea where to put the W&M Tribe, which is the team I follow and know the most about.

I had them #18. WVU looked pretty good this weekend so that's a solid "moral victory". The Tribe will have their hands full this weekend however.

[LeadBolt]

No. 20. That's where I have them.

You may be right. We'll know more after they play Villanova and Penn the next couple of weeks.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I revised the poll after pulling bj's ballot.

That has been a problem in the past and it is normally caught and I am sort of ashamed that it wasn't this time. As I said you need to look at your own ballot and try to be the first one that notices a mistake and gets back to us because outside of that mistake when you select a team you did not intend to it is a lot tougher for us to know that it was not intentional than it is for you to know that.

[Tribal]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Towson Tigers
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Eastern Illinois Panthers
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
9: Central Arkansas Bears
10: Fordham Rams
11: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
12: Wofford Terriers
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
17: William & Mary Tribe
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: Maine Black Bears
20: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
21: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: Youngstown State Penguins
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

Tribal

[Twentysix]

I revised the poll after pulling bj's ballot.

That has been a problem in the past and it is normally caught and I am sort of ashamed that it wasn't this time. As I said you need to look at your own ballot and try to be the first one that notices a mistake and gets back to us because outside of that mistake when you select a team you did not intend to it is a lot tougher for us to know that it was not intentional than it is for you to know that.

:( Now I feel bad for the guy.

[Dane96]

Why do you feel bad?

He constantly (BJ) sends in ballots that get sent back for errors. I had an error a few weeks ago that was caught; but I can say it was my first in lord knows how many years.

Ursus' point is that you should be careful with your ballots.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Yeah, mistakes are common, not catching them is not. Not trying to make anyone feel bad but that vote should been vetted better and it was completely missed but if it had been caught it would have been rejected so in order to have the best result possible it was retroactively rejected. Wasn't done to hurt feelings by any means.

[heath]

Why do you feel bad?

He constantly (BJ) sends in ballots that get sent back for errors. I had an error a few weeks ago that was caught; but I can say it was my first in lord knows how many years.

Ursus' point is that you should be careful with your ballots.
That darn hanging chad gets everyone,or just take voting rights away for a week or two,that'll teach themxlolx

[FargoBison]

Here is my poll...rip away....

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: Towson Tigers
4: Eastern Illinois Panthers
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Fordham Rams
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
11: Cal Poly Mustangs
12: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
13: Youngstown State Penguins
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
18: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
19: Maine Black Bears
20: William & Mary Tribe
21: Wofford Terriers
22: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
23: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: Montana State Bobcats

[caribbeanhen]

I think there are about 6 FCS teams that are head n shoulder above the rest of the top 25.....

[Tribal]

I think there are about 6 FCS teams that are head n shoulder above the rest of the top 25.....

Is your point that taller people make better football players? I'd like to see your empirical research to back that up.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Here is my poll...rip away....

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Northern Iowa Panthers
3: Towson Tigers
4: Eastern Illinois Panthers
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Fordham Rams
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
11: Cal Poly Mustangs
12: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
13: Youngstown State Penguins
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
18: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
19: Maine Black Bears
20: William & Mary Tribe
21: Wofford Terriers
22: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
23: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: Montana State Bobcats

Not sure MSU deserves to be 11 spots lower than the 'Griz. The Bobcats are damn good with McGhee in the line-up. Granted, they'll be able to prove a point this week when they play your #10 team, NAU.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I think there are about 6 FCS teams that are head n shoulder above the rest of the top 25.....

I honestly think this happens just about every season. Right now I have the most faith in NDSU, UNI, SHSU, Villanova, Towson and EWU. I'm still on the fence with Montana State, Fordham and Coastal.

[JMUNJ08]

Looking for at least a single feedback comment this time. And yes, I seem to be the only one giving some love to Chuck South so much. The answer is surely, we are dating....

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Towson Tigers
4: Eastern Illinois Panthers
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Fordham Rams
8: Maine Black Bears
9: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
10: Youngstown State Penguins
11: Montana State Bobcats
12: McNeese State Cowboys
13: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
16: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
17: Cal Poly Mustangs
18: Wofford Terriers
19: William & Mary Tribe
20: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
21: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
24: James Madison Dukes
25: Central Arkansas Bears

JMUNJ08

[BlueHenSinfonian]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Fordham Rams
6: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
7: Eastern Illinois Panthers
8: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: Maine Black Bears
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Eastern Washington Eagles
15: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
16: Montana State Bobcats
17: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
22: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
23: North Carolina A&T Aggies
24: William & Mary Tribe
25: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
Here's mine. I might have slept on NAU a bit, but they have a chance to make a statement with their game against Montana State next week. I might be a bit optimistic about CSU, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until they prove me wrong.

[Engineer86]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Fordham Rams
6: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
7: Eastern Illinois Panthers
8: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: Maine Black Bears
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Eastern Washington Eagles
15: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
16: Montana State Bobcats
17: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
22: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
23: North Carolina A&T Aggies
24: William & Mary Tribe
25: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
Here's mine. I might have slept on NAU a bit, but they have a chance to make a statement with their game against Montana State next week. I might be a bit optimistic about CSU, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until they prove me wrong.

I agree with you on CSU and Lehigh is too high until we put together a few more full games even with that, I do not see us as a top 10 team. Last week was our first full game in a while.

[Humble Steward]

Crushed? Really? How so? I really want to hear this argument.

Bethune rushed the crap out of FIU and stuffed the FIU run game. Conversely, the passing game was non-existent for Bethune while FIU's offense relied on the pass and did well.

Bethune had one score courtesy of a 92 yard INT return.

Bethune had 50% of the TOP for the game, which is understandable because they played ground and pound with a mind-boggling 52 rushing attempts. A large majority of the TOP came in the 3rd Qtr.

3rd down, 4th down and Red-zone conversions were nearly identical. BCU had their way on first down.

So...like I said, FIU is barely capable of being a Top 40 team in FCS play. Nice win for BCU...but this is the only reason they are ranked, IMHO. It's not reason enough.

It amazes me how Bethune being ranked is even a question. The question is why are they ranked as low as they are. For years all we heard was the OOC schedule was so week and they need to strengthen their schedule.

1. So we schedule Tennessee State (OVC) and win on the road. A defensive battle but a solid Top 40 win. Since losing Tennessee State has reeled off 4 straight wins, which makes this win even better. When Tennessee State makes the playoffs, it will be that much more impressive. Don't sleep on the Tigers this year.

2. Virginia Union was scheduled only due to UCF buying out of a scheduled game. We beat a D2 team exactly how you should (66 - 7). Enough said.

3. We spanked, I mean dominated FIU on the road. A FBS squad, bad or not. We ran the ball down their throat and didn't need to pass. Why stop doing something if they can't stop it. Don't diminish our team because we beat the he!! out of them by running the ball. This was a statement win for B-CU and the MEAC. We were ranked 17th in the AGS poll after that victory.

4. We played the #8 team in the country (Florida State) and they beat us like they would beat probably all of the ranked FCS teams. We fell to #20 in the AGS poll after losing to a Top 10 team that is competing for a National Championship.

5. We are idle in week 5 and drop 4 spots in the AGS Poll to #24 and you are begging for justification to even be ranked. What a joke. The question is why are we not ranked higher. However, this is why we play the games. Delaware State is on the clock.

HAIL WILDCATS!!!

[Fear the Bird]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Fordham Rams
6: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
7: Eastern Illinois Panthers
8: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: Maine Black Bears
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Eastern Washington Eagles
15: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
16: Montana State Bobcats
17: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
22: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
23: North Carolina A&T Aggies
24: William & Mary Tribe
25: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
Here's mine. I might have slept on NAU a bit, but they have a chance to make a statement with their game against Montana State next week. I might be a bit optimistic about CSU, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until they prove me wrong.

You may have slept on NAU? They have a chance to make a statement? They just beat your #9 soundly so clearly you were sleeping when you ranked both NAU and Montana!

[Fear the Bird]

It amazes me how Bethune being ranked is even a question. The question is why are they ranked as low as they are. For years all we heard was the OOC schedule was so week and they need to strengthen their schedule.

1. So we schedule Tennessee State (OVC) and win on the road. A defensive battle but a solid Top 40 win. Since losing Tennessee State has reeled off 4 straight wins, which makes this win even better. When Tennessee State makes the playoffs, it will be that much more impressive. Don't sleep on the Tigers this year.

2. Virginia Union was scheduled only due to UCF buying out of a scheduled game. We beat a D2 team exactly how you should (66 - 7). Enough said.

3. We spanked, I mean dominated FIU on the road. A FBS squad, bad or not. We ran the ball down their throat and didn't need to pass. Why stop doing something if they can't stop it. Don't diminish our team because we beat the he!! out of them by running the ball. This was a statement win for B-CU and the MEAC. We were ranked 17th in the AGS poll after that victory.

4. We played the #8 team in the country (Florida State) and they beat us like they would beat probably all of the ranked FCS teams. We fell to #20 in the AGS poll after losing to a Top 10 team that is competing for a National Championship.

5. We are idle in week 5 and drop 4 spots in the AGS Poll to #24 and you are begging for justification to even be ranked. What a joke. The question is why are we not ranked higher. However, this is why we play the games. Delaware State is on the clock.

HAIL WILDCATS!!!

All valid points - it's a shame what the voters have done to BC

[dbackjon]

Not sure why anyone would rank Montana over NAU

[Humble Steward]

All valid points - it's a shame what the voters have done to BC

xnodx xnodx xnodx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Not sure why anyone would rank Montana over NAU

I didn't and I made it clear that based on what I saw at this point it probably shouldn't happen either before most could get their ballots in. NAU is just flat out a better team right now.

[FargoBison]

Not sure MSU deserves to be 11 spots lower than the 'Griz. The Bobcats are damn good with McGhee in the line-up. Granted, they'll be able to prove a point this week when they play your #10 team, NAU.

You are probably right but I can't get that SFA game out of my mind. I know DM was out but that loss was bad and they have zero quality wins to correct that loss. The NAU game should make things much clearer. I am not afraid to move a team way up, especially early in the season so if they win they'll be ahead of both NAU and the Griz.

[bobcathpdevil56]

You are probably right but I can't get that SFA game out of my mind. I know DM was out but that loss was bad and they have zero quality wins to correct that loss. The NAU game should make things much clearer. I am not afraid to move a team way up, especially early in the season so if they win they'll be ahead of both NAU and the Griz.

That is a great point, that SFA was a bad loss for the Bobcats, especially considering the way SFA played the next week. That was hopefully the head scratcher game for this year.

[ngineer]

I agree with you on CSU and Lehigh is too high until we put together a few more full games even with that, I do not see us as a top 10 team. Last week was our first full game in a while.

If we knock off Fordham in the 'da Bronx', then we are a top ten team.

[citdog]

If we knock off Fordham in the 'da Bronx', then we are a top ten team.


replace that ten with a twenty and you'd be correct

[BlueHenSinfonian]

I didn't and I made it clear that based on what I saw at this point it probably shouldn't happen either before most could get their ballots in. NAU is just flat out a better team right now.

I was thinking the blowouts of App State and UND are better than NAU's wins despite the head to head, but now it's looking like wins over App State and UND might not be worth a whole lot. It looks like the Griz have a common opponent in UC Davis after the bye, and NAU gets to go against Montana State, who seems to have come back strong this week after the QB issues, so, it'll all shake out.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I was thinking the blowouts of App State and UND are better than NAU's wins despite the head to head, but now it's looking like wins over App State and UND might not be worth a whole lot. It looks like the Griz have a common opponent in UC Davis after the bye, and NAU gets to go against Montana State, who seems to have come back strong this week after the QB issues, so, it'll all shake out.

Yes sir, agree on all points. I had said early Sunday that I really didn't feel like App or UND even being the blowouts they looked to be could be relied on at this point. Now no matter what NAU shouldn't have been able to do what they did to us and may not be able to again but the fact is they did do it and they just flat out mopped the floor with us and it should be recognized as such if you (anyone) viewed as a top 10-15 team.

[dystopiamembrane]

It amazes me how Bethune being ranked is even a question. The question is why are they ranked as low as they are. For years all we heard was the OOC schedule was so week and they need to strengthen their schedule.

1. So we schedule Tennessee State (OVC) and win on the road. A defensive battle but a solid Top 40 win. Since losing Tennessee State has reeled off 4 straight wins, which makes this win even better. When Tennessee State makes the playoffs, it will be that much more impressive. Don't sleep on the Tigers this year.

2. Virginia Union was scheduled only due to UCF buying out of a scheduled game. We beat a D2 team exactly how you should (66 - 7). Enough said.

3. We spanked, I mean dominated FIU on the road. A FBS squad, bad or not. We ran the ball down their throat and didn't need to pass. Why stop doing something if they can't stop it. Don't diminish our team because we beat the he!! out of them by running the ball. This was a statement win for B-CU and the MEAC. We were ranked 17th in the AGS poll after that victory.

4. We played the #8 team in the country (Florida State) and they beat us like they would beat probably all of the ranked FCS teams. We fell to #20 in the AGS poll after losing to a Top 10 team that is competing for a National Championship.

5. We are idle in week 5 and drop 4 spots in the AGS Poll to #24 and you are begging for justification to even be ranked. What a joke. The question is why are we not ranked higher. However, this is why we play the games. Delaware State is on the clock.

HAIL WILDCATS!!!
I have been seeing a constant rise in the rankings I use, B-C currently #8.

[HensRock]

What did MSU have for breakfast Saturday morning?
Was McGhee back in the lineup?
That 63-20 score really caught my attention!

[HensRock]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Fordham Rams
6: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
7: Eastern Illinois Panthers
8: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: Maine Black Bears
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: Charleston Southern Buccaneers
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Eastern Washington Eagles
15: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
16: Montana State Bobcats
17: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
22: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
23: North Carolina A&T Aggies
24: William & Mary Tribe
25: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
Here's mine. I might have slept on NAU a bit, but they have a chance to make a statement with their game against Montana State next week. I might be a bit optimistic about CSU, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until they prove me wrong.

Umm Wow, Where do I even start?

Lehigh at #6?
So Where is Central Connecticut State, that took your #6 to overtime in Bethlehem?
So Where is Princeton who only lost by 1 point to your #6?
So Where is Monmouth who only lost by 3 to your #6?
If you think Lehigh deserved to be #6, surely at least ONE of these 3 teams should be in your Top 25.

SDSU at #25?
Kinda harsh for their loss to #1 dontcha think?

Chuck South at #12??
Look everyone: Beating App State this year is NOT a big deal!

And Gardner-Webb is being propped up solely on a 3-0 win over Wofford in near hurricane-like conditions.

Delaware at #18 is a homer pick as well. I could see putting them in at maybe 24, no higher. Personally, I do not have the Hens ranked at all.

Your relative positioning of Montana, Montana State and NAU is perplexing as well.

EWU is certainly a Top 10 team if not Top 5. You have them at 14.

[Catbooster]

What did MSU have for breakfast Saturday morning?
Was McGhee back in the lineup?
That 63-20 score really caught my attention!
McGhee started the game, which surprised most everyone - we didn't think he'd be back for a couple more weeks. He played the first half.

Also, the team was pretty upset and embarrassed with their performances recently. I think they would have played more intensely anyway, but certainly having McGhee gave them a boost.

[HensRock]

McGhee started the game, which surprised most everyone - we didn't think he'd be back for a couple more weeks. He played the first half.

Also, the team was pretty upset and embarrassed with their performances recently. I think they would have played more intensely anyway, but certainly having McGhee gave them a boost.

Thanks booster,
The Cats look like a completely different team with him in there.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Umm Wow, Where do I even start?

Lehigh at #6?
So Where is Central Connecticut State, that took your #6 to overtime in Bethlehem?
So Where is Princeton who only lost by 1 point to your #6?
So Where is Monmouth who only lost by 3 to your #6?
If you think Lehigh deserved to be #6, surely at least ONE of these 3 teams should be in your Top 25.

SDSU at #25?
Kinda harsh for their loss to #1 dontcha think?

Chuck South at #12??
Look everyone: Beating App State this year is NOT a big deal!

And Gardner-Webb is being propped up solely on a 3-0 win over Wofford in near hurricane-like conditions.

Delaware at #18 is a homer pick as well. I could see putting them in at maybe 24, no higher. Personally, I do not have the Hens ranked at all.

Your relative positioning of Montana, Montana State and NAU is perplexing as well.

EWU is certainly a Top 10 team if not Top 5. You have them at 14.

CCSU is 1-4, and got blown out by Holy Cross and Rhody. Princeton is 1-1, with their only win against 1-4 Georgetown. Monmouth is 2-3.

SDSU is 3-2, but they're only real quality win is vs SELA.

Chuck South is 5-0, with wins over Appy, Norfolk State, and The Citadel. True, Appy and the Citadel are having down years, but those are still quality wins for a traditional bottom dweller, and this is the best start for Charleston Southern since '06. They have a new coach, and I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt until they prove me wrong.

Gardner-Webb also has wings against Furman and Richmond, again, not the strongest teams this year, but still quality wins.

I had EWU in the top five previously, but that was mostly on the strength of their week 1 win vs Oregon state. Since then they've only beaten a DII, and are now 2-2. I can't rank them any higher until that record improves.

I'll rank teams that I may believe are stronger overall lower than weaker teams depending on what those teams have proven so far on the field. I'm not trying to predict what the finishing order will be at the end of the season, just what's been proven on the field so far this season.

[HensRock]

CCSU is 1-4, and got blown out by Holy Cross and Rhody. Princeton is 1-1, with their only win against 1-4 Georgetown. Monmouth is 2-3.


I think you completely missed my point about CCSU, PU, and Monmouth. These were 3 VERY close wins for Lehigh, which you have ranked at #6. Since the CCSU game was AT Lehigh and it went to overtime, one could even argue that CCSU was the better team because of homefield advantage for Lehigh. My point was that if Lehigh is truly the #6 team in the country, then one or more of these other 3 should be ranked as well, since they have demonstrated they are close in strength to Lehigh. You did not rank a single one of them. I see this as a glaring inconsistency in your rankings.

So you either:
1. should have ranked CCSU, PU, and/or Monmouth, OR
2. you have Lehigh ranked WAY too high.

Since you yourself have pointed out why those 3 don't deserve to be ranked, I'm going with the latter.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

I think you completely missed my point about CCSU, PU, and Monmouth. These were 3 VERY close wins for Lehigh, which you have ranked at #6. Since the CCSU game was AT Lehigh and it was a 1 point win, one could even argue that CCSU was the better team because of homefield advantage for Lehigh. My point was that if Lehigh is truly the #6 team in the country, then one or more of these other 3 should be ranked as well, since they have demonstrated they are close in strength to Lehigh. You did not rank a single one of them. I see this as a glaring inconsistency in your rankings.

So you either:
1. should have ranked CCSU, PU, and/or Monmouth, OR
2. you have Lehigh ranked WAY too high.

Since you yourself have pointed out why those 3 don't deserve to be ranked, I'm going with the latter.

I had Lehigh outside the top ten, but the win against UNH bumped them up for me. One way or another, they're figuring out how to win games. They've executed several crazy come-from-behind victories this year, and that impresses me. Good teams figure out how to win, and Lehigh is doing that.

They might be a smidge high, but they play Fordham this week, so that will show if they're legitimate or pretenders.

[HensRock]

I had Lehigh outside the top ten, but the win against UNH bumped them up for me. One way or another, they're figuring out how to win games. They've executed several crazy come-from-behind victories this year, and that impresses me. Good teams figure out how to win, and Lehigh is doing that.

They might be a smidge high, but they play Fordham this week, so that will show if they're legitimate or pretenders.

So if they lose to Fordham, you'll drop them to what 11?
Are you LehighFootballNation in disguise? It would explain alot.

Yes, GOOD teams figure out ways to win.
GOOD team are ranked maybe 15-40 range.

GREAT TEAMS are ranked in the Top 10.
GREAT TEAMS eat teams like Monouth, PU and CCSU for breakfast, beat them by 40+ points and take their lunch money. Your other 9 Top 10 teams would have smoked those 3 and left NO DOUBT.

[citdog]

So if they lose to Fordham, you'll drop them to what 11?
Are you LehighFootballNation in disguise? It would explain alot.

Yes, GOOD teams figure out ways to win.
GOOD team are ranked maybe 15-40 range.

GREAT TEAMS are ranked in the Top 10.
GREAT TEAMS eat teams like Monouth, PU and CCSU for breakfast, beat them by 40+ points and take their lunch money. Your other 9 Top 10 teams would have smoked those 3 and left NO DOUBT.


THIS!

[Lehigh Football Nation]

So if they lose to Fordham, you'll drop them to what 11?
Are you LehighFootballNation in disguise? It would explain alot.

Yes, GOOD teams figure out ways to win.
GOOD team are ranked maybe 15-40 range.

GREAT TEAMS are ranked in the Top 10.
GREAT TEAMS eat teams like Monouth, PU and CCSU for breakfast, beat them by 40+ points and take their lunch money. Your other 9 Top 10 teams would have smoked those 3 and left NO DOUBT.

Don't look at me. I have Lehigh at 15.

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2013/09/my-vote-for-fcs-top-25-9302013.html

[citdog]

Don't look at me. I have Lehigh at 15.

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.com/2013/09/my-vote-for-fcs-top-25-9302013.html


which is about 8 spots too high

[Engineer86]

which is about 8 spots too high

Why so high? This week will tell based on LU and UNH, but if you think LU should be 23, who am I to argue. xlolx

[citdog]

Why so high? This week will tell based on LU and UNH, but if you think LU should be 23, who am I to argue. xlolx

the bottom 5 of the top 25 is where pretty good teams that we don't know enough about yet should be.

[Engineer86]

the bottom 5 of the top 25 is where pretty good teams that we don't know enough about yet should be.

I agree that this is where LU belongs for now. Our problem is after this weekend, there is not a lot that we can do t change perceptions. That will really be up to UNH.

[Herder]

SDSU lost to Nebraska, then took #1 to the 4th Qtr down 7 . . . and their too high? Holy Crap, really? With their losses, they could be ranked higher IMO.

[heath]

Dear $citdog,You have now become "the new fan". Your disdain and pathetic posts on AGS have really become embarrassing.............for YOU. Sorry your Lehigh coach is not working out, but get the hell over it. Find a new hobby,wife or boyfriend and enjoy your retirement years.
FWIW,Citadel and VMI should play each other 12 times a year................that way both could win 5-6 games a year. I'd be pissed too if i loved the South and were stuck in Montana.

sent from my F you southernb#tch flip phone

[citdog]

Dear $citdog,You have now become "the new fan". Your disdain and pathetic posts on AGS have really become embarrassing.............for YOU. Sorry your Lehigh coach is not working out, but get the hell over it. Find a new hobby,wife or boyfriend and enjoy your retirement years.
FWIW,Citadel and VMI should play each other 12 times a year................that way both could win 5-6 games a year. I'd be pissed too if i loved the South and were stuck in Montana.

sent from my F you southernb#tch flip phone




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