Gardner Webb @ Wofford

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

No score after almost 3 quarters? Is there a monsoon going on in Spartanburg tonight?

[Reign of Terrier]

Yes. Jesus Christ, yes it is raining everything out there.

[Reign of Terrier]

this is the kind of game that I will take a win regardless of how it happens. It's that messy.

[ASU_Fanatic]

come on dawgs

[Reign of Terrier]

This game is so messy.

[OLDLCOACH111]

Very wet game, downpour rain.. Wofford cant get the option going outside, mostly dives.. Gardner webb is controlling the clock and line of scrimmage and keeping the ball away from wofford..

[longtimemocfan]

Gardner Webb Had it 1st and goal at the Wofford 1 Now are facing 4th and 18. 35yrd FG is good. Webb up 3-0 with 10:52 left in the game.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Come on ankle biters, come up with something.

[PaladinFan]

Yes. Jesus Christ, yes it is raining everything out there.

Are you going to admit you were wrong in calling this one a wofford blowout?

[clenz]

Are you going to admit you were wrong in calling this one a wofford blowout?
YT admit he's wrong?

****, if he ever did that he would have at least twice as many posts as he does now.

[OLDLCOACH111]

1st and 10 GW at wofford 18 with 3:34 left in the 4th GW LEADING 3-0

[Reign of Terrier]

I will eat my crow on this one. but with that said, you can't tell me that the rain had no effect on this game

[Reign of Terrier]

Are you going to admit you were wrong in calling this one a wofford blowout?

I just did. this is on the special teams. The defense played its heart out and the offense choked on this one.

[PaladinFan]

I will eat my crow on this one. but with that said, you can't tell me that the rain had no effect on this game

I told you gwu has a good defense. Rain or not.

[Reign of Terrier]

YT admit he's wrong?

****, if he ever did that he would have at least twice as many posts as he does now.

I just did. Stop taking a message board so seriously.

[Reign of Terrier]

I told you gwu has a good defense. Rain or not.

We didn't even try to pitch it tonight. That's not on GWU's defense.

[clenz]

I just did. Stop taking a message board so seriously.

Hahahahahahaha

The irony in you being the one to say that

Sent from a, likely, NSA tracked device

[ASU_Fanatic]

GARDNER WEBB IS REAL THIS YEAR

[PaladinFan]

We didn't even try to pitch it tonight. That's not on GWU's defense.

If it's the 4th quarter and wofford has zero points, some of that has to do with the defense.

[Reign of Terrier]

Hahahahahahaha

The irony in you being the one to say that

Sent from a, likely, NSA tracked device

I see no irony.

[OLDLCOACH111]

We didn't even try to pitch it tonight. That's not on GWU's defense.


Wofford only has 6 first downs to GW 17 so far... dont discount that Defense

[terrierbob]

I can't say enough about our D, but GW is solid. If they win, they've earned it, rain or not. Glad it's not a Conference game.

[Reign of Terrier]

If it's the 4th quarter and wofford has zero points, some of that has to do with the defense.

We haven't thrown a pass or pitched the ball more than 2 or 3 times tonight. That's playcalling.

[PaladinFan]

GARDNER WEBB IS REAL THIS YEAR

Our week one loss looked like a big disappointment. Looks better and better as the weeks go by.

[PaladinFan]

We haven't thrown a pass or pitched the ball more than 2 or 3 times tonight. That's playcalling.

Are you actually going to debate that zero points is just play calling?

[ASU_Fanatic]

Our week one loss looked like a big disappointment. Looks better and better as the weeks go by.
2 guys from my high school play for them and g-webb is a local school so i love to see them doing so well

[Reign of Terrier]

Are you actually going to debate that zero points is just play calling?

turnovers and rain and poor playcalling?

Yes.

[longtimemocfan]

GWU just missed a 38 yrd FG. Wofford takes over on their own 21 with 2:37 left.

[ASU_Fanatic]

how much time is left?

[Reign of Terrier]

2:02 left

[ASU_Fanatic]

HOLD THEM WEBB

[Reign of Terrier]

1:10 left

[longtimemocfan]

Wofford driving. On GWU 48.

[Reign of Terrier]

We're finally getting creative on the playcalling and moving the ball but it's 4th down.

[Reign of Terrier]

Game over. GWU wins.

[ASU_Fanatic]

It's hard for teams who run the triple o to put together drives like this late. Wofford needs a big play

[Reign of Terrier]

Never had a game like that.

Good game GWU, you deserved it.

[ASU_Fanatic]

YESSSS

[eaglewraith]

So did baseball season start early?

GWU must have a deep bullpen to quiet the Wofford bats

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

I have no idea what the weather or field conditions are like, but it is hard to run an offense like Wofford's or GSU's when you have no traction. Wet conditions don't affect power running quite as much but it does hurt your running on the perimeter, which is kind of important. GSU has certainly had its fair share of unproductive days on offense in the rain.

[Reign of Terrier]

I hope to see these guys in the playoffs. I'm just really disappointed. We could have and should have played a lot better. Rain was a big factor, we couldn't kick a field goal as we couldn't hold it. I've never been to a game so wet before.

Literally the perfect storm. Defense played lights out, but offense just couldn't get it together. And the one time we did was the last drive. Play-calling was absolutely terrible and special teams what not too good.

[theasushow]

Rain or not..both teams were playing in it. Wofford may not have hit on all cylinders due to the weather, but I am sure GW didn't either. If Wofford was a passing team I could buy blaming it on the rain, but rain doesnt have the effect on a running team than it does a team that passes more.

[Apphole]

Wow. This conference is garbage.

[eaglewraith]

Rain or not..both teams were playing in it. Wofford may not have hit on all cylinders due to the weather, but I am sure GW didn't either. If Wofford was a passing team I could buy blaming it on the rain, but rain doesnt have the effect on a running team than it does a team that passes more.

It does on the perimeter running for a team like us and Wofford. When you're limited to runs up the gut, it makes you extremely one dimensional, especially if you can't get anything going in the passing game.

[PaladinFan]

Well, for the first time I can remember, we are four weeks in and every conference team has taken one on the chin.

[Reign of Terrier]

I have no idea what the weather or field conditions are like, but it is hard to run an offense like Wofford's or GSU's when you have no traction. Wet conditions don't affect power running quite as much but it does hurt your running on the perimeter, which is kind of important. GSU has certainly had its fair share of unproductive days on offense in the rain.

We're more dependent on the perimeter game this year than last. Last year it was a similar experience, but we had EB and he could just fall forward and get us consistent yards. We couldn't do that this year. DJ isn't EB. He's good but he doesn't have the natural ability to fall forward like EB.

I'm kind of annoyed that we made little effort to pitch or pass, and I think that was the key.

I've been to the mud bowl against Furman like 10 years ago....this was worse. I came back to my dorm to listen to the game because I had already changed twice I was so wet.

[Reign of Terrier]

Rain or not..both teams were playing in it. Wofford may not have hit on all cylinders due to the weather, but I am sure GW didn't either. If Wofford was a passing team I could buy blaming it on the rain, but rain doesnt have the effect on a running team than it does a team that passes more.

We basically ran the dive every play. very predictable.

No one talks about how terrible our special teams were today. They lost this game for us with all of the botched snaps

[ElCid]

Wow. This is really weird. GW for real. Looks like BS getting some signature wins this year.

[citdog]

Wow. This conference is garbage.


Wow! YOU REALLY ARE A PIECE OF WALKING AND TALKING HUMAN EXCREMENT! YOUR PARENTS MUST BE SO PROUD! WILL BE SO GLAD TO SEE YOU DISAPPEAR INTO FOOTBALL OBSCURITY IN LESS THAN TWO MONTHS AND THE WORDS APPY ST TEACHERS COLLEGE FOR WHITE RASTAS AND OTHER MOUNTAIN WHITE TRASH TO NEVER BE MENTIONED HERE EVER AGAIN.

[CID1990]

Wow. This conference is garbage.

Well then ASU would fit in just perfectly if they weren't sporting an asterisk.

[Reign of Terrier]

This game sucked, but I still think we'll win the conference.

We stumble and lose games we shouldn't at least once a year, a loss isn't always a bad thing. You learn from it.

[PaladinFan]

It does on the perimeter running for a team like us and Wofford. When you're limited to runs up the gut, it makes you extremely one dimensional, especially if you can't get anything going in the passing game.


This game sucked, but I still think we'll win the conference.

We stumble and lose games we shouldn't at least once a year, a loss isn't always a bad thing. You learn from it.

The conference is wide open for the taking. Nobody has been particularly impressive.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Rain or not..both teams were playing in it. Wofford may not have hit on all cylinders due to the weather, but I am sure GW didn't either. If Wofford was a passing team I could buy blaming it on the rain, but rain doesnt have the effect on a running team than it does a team that passes more.

It affects some offenses more than others. Gardner Webb is running 70% of the time, so unless they run the option it disadvantages Wofford a lot more. People never believe it when you say the rain affects an option team, but everyone who has followed a team like GSU over the years knows it's true.

[Apphole]

Well then ASU would fit in just perfectly if they weren't sporting an asterisk.
Eh, we'll still dominate this washed up league on our way out the door to bigger and better things. Growing pains are growing pains.

See you bell hops for our W in a couple of weeks.

[PaladinFan]

It affects some offenses more than others. Gardner Webb is running 70% of the time, so unless they run the option it disadvantages Wofford a lot more. People never believe it when you say the rain affects an option team, but everyone who has followed a team like GSU over the years knows it's true.

Ok, but it's not like the rain is a surprise. The system has moved across all week. Every team in the south played in it today. Tech managed 28 points running the option.

If you know the weather is going impact the game - plan for it.

[CID1990]

Eh, we'll still dominate this washed up league on our way out the door to bigger and better things. Growing pains are growing pains.

See you bell hops for our W in a couple of weeks.

The only thing you're going to see is Ben Dupree's rear end- just like last year.

Congrats on your dominating win over Elon. They might just drop football after that drubbing.

[CID1990]

It affects some offenses more than others. Gardner Webb is running 70% of the time, so unless they run the option it disadvantages Wofford a lot more. People never believe it when you say the rain affects an option team, but everyone who has followed a team like GSU over the years knows it's true.

The Citadel scored 58 points in the rain tonight.

We did have fumbles, though.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Ok, but it's not like the rain is a surprise. The system has moved across all week. Every team in the south played in it today. Tech managed 28 points running the option.

If you know the weather is going impact the game - plan for it.

I can't really judge the rain in Norfolk and Spartanburg versus Atlanta but it wasn't a problem for Tech because the rain stopped early in the game and wasn't very heavy.

You can't do nearly enough in just a few days or even a few weeks to mitigate the disadvantage that heavy rain places you.

[eaglewraith]

Ok, but it's not like the rain is a surprise. The system has moved across all week. Every team in the south played in it today. Tech managed 28 points running the option.

If you know the weather is going impact the game - plan for it.

I have a feeling the playing surface at Bobby Dodd Stadium is in much better shape and able to handle weather better than the one at Gibbs Stadium.

[eaglewraith]

The Citadel scored 58 points in the rain tonight.

We did have fumbles, though.

ODU has SprintTurf, I'm guessing your guys didn't slip much when they went outside. That's one big advantage to having turf.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

ODU has SprintTurf, I'm guessing your guys didn't slip much when they went outside. That's one big advantage to having turf.

...And ODU is still apparently like a deer in the headlights against the option...that's 162 points in 3 games.

[OLDLCOACH111]

Team Stat Comparison





WEBB
WOF


1st Downs
16
8


3rd down efficiency
6-18
3-14


4th down efficiency
3-4
1-3


Total Yards
279
162


Passing
111
5


Comp-Att
13-24
1-8


Yards per pass
4.6
0.6


Rushing
168
157


Rushing Attempts
53
45


Yards per rush
3.2
3.5


Penalties
3-29
6-39


Turnovers
3
3


Fumbles lost
2
2


Interceptions thrown
1
1


Possession
37:43
22:17

[citdog]

Eh, we'll still dominate this washed up league on our way out the door to bigger and better things. Growing pains are growing pains.

See you bell hops for our W in a couple of weeks.

We'll beat yosef by even more than we did last year. OH HOW THE MIGHTY HAVE FALLEN! appy st fans now rejoice and smack talk after beating ELON! what a bunch of LOSERS! GOOD RIDDANCE to you!

[OLDLCOACH111]

Gardner-Webb Drive Summaries


START
QTR
POSS.
YARD
PLAYS
YARDS
RESULT


15:00
1
02:14
WEBB 20
5
4
Punt


09:38
1
01:29
WEBB 14
3
2
Punt


04:20
1
00:54
WEBB 2
2
0
Interception


03:26
1
04:25
WEBB 14
13
61
Turnover on Downs


09:41
2
08:02
WEBB 9
17
73
Field Goal Missed


15:00
3
01:30
WEBB 25
3
7
Punt


09:33
3
01:19
WEBB 13
3
3
Punt


08:14
3
03:12
WOF 50
7
50
Fumble


03:18
3
01:43
WEBB 38
3
8
Punt


01:35
3
01:45
WOF 21
4
13
Fumble


14:50
4
03:58
WOF 10
8
-17
Field Goal Good


10:43
4
06:22
WEBB 25
14
54
Field Goal Missed


02:37
4
00:50
WEBB 36
2
-3
End of Game




Wofford Drive Summaries


START
QTR
POSS.
YARD
PLAYS
YARDS
RESULT


15:00
1
00:00
WOF 27
6
18
Punt


09:38
1
00:00
WOF 40
3
1
Punt


06:51
1
02:31
WOF 38
5
18
Punt


03:26
1
01:52
WEBB 10
4
-6
Turnover on Downs


12:09
2
02:28
WOF 24
4
21
Punt


01:39
2
01:39
WOF 20
4
12
End of Half


15:00
3
03:57
WOF 29
8
30
Punt


05:02
3
01:44
WOF 20
3
8
Punt


10:52
4
00:00
WOF 41
3
2
Punt


02:37
4
00:00
WOF 20
9
31
Interception

[Reign of Terrier]

Gardner-Webb Drive Summaries


START
QTR
POSS.
YARD
PLAYS
YARDS
RESULT


15:00
1
02:14
WEBB 20
5
4
Punt


09:38
1
01:29
WEBB 14
3
2
Punt


04:20
1
00:54
WEBB 2
2
0
Interception


03:26
1
04:25
WEBB 14
13
61
Turnover on Downs


09:41
2
08:02
WEBB 9
17
73
Field Goal Missed


15:00
3
01:30
WEBB 25
3
7
Punt


09:33
3
01:19
WEBB 13
3
3
Punt


08:14
3
03:12
WOF 50
7
50
Fumble


03:18
3
01:43
WEBB 38
3
8
Punt


01:35
3
01:45
WOF 21
4
13
Fumble


14:50
4
03:58
WOF 10
8
-17
Field Goal Good


10:43
4
06:22
WEBB 25
14
54
Field Goal Missed


02:37
4
00:50
WEBB 36
2
-3
End of Game




Wofford Drive Summaries


START
QTR
POSS.
YARD
PLAYS
YARDS
RESULT


15:00
1
00:00
WOF 27
6
18
Punt


09:38
1
00:00
WOF 40
3
1
Punt


06:51
1
02:31
WOF 38
5
18
Punt


03:26
1
01:52
WEBB 10
4
-6
Turnover on Downs


12:09
2
02:28
WOF 24
4
21
Punt


01:39
2
01:39
WOF 20
4
12
End of Half


15:00
3
03:57
WOF 29
8
30
Punt


05:02
3
01:44
WOF 20
3
8
Punt


10:52
4
00:00
WOF 41
3
2
Punt


02:37
4
00:00
WOF 20
9
31
Interception




This is pretty much indicative of how ****ty our offensive playcalling was. No creativity at all. We actually tried to mix it up for once when it was far too late.

[Reign of Terrier]

By the way, there's no comparison to the rain we played into today. This was worse than the mud bowl against Furman in '02.

[elcid83]

I can see how a Terrier fan could blame their loss on bad play calling. However, I saw another game where GW's D was well prepared and the players executed their assignments as instructed. I'm ticked to death to see my son's team pull off the W at Wofford. Something my alma mater hasn't been able to do in 16 years.

Go Runnin' Bulldogs!

[T-Dog]

When they announced this score at our game, the collective reaction was "da ****?"

[Reign of Terrier]

Wofford ran something like 60 plays. 28 of those plays were runs By Donovan Johnson (most if not all of which were dives). 10 of them were QB runs. 8 of them were pass plays (most of which were on the final possession)

We had no offensive diversity. We had no faith in the pitch, we didn't try it. This one was on the coaches, plain and simple.

When you send in the same guy who muffed a punt to return it again in a monsoon and he muffs again that's on coaching. When you have 4th and one and your OL does a false start and you're forced to punt that's coaching. When you can't pull a field goal off, that's coaching.

I'm honestly not as mad about this game as I could be. Gardner Webb is a team with a lot of heart. I'm eating crow right now, that's for sure, but I feel like this whole debacle was an instance where GW out coached us. I think our up-side is much better than it is right now. Our defense is elite.

It's good to have a wake up call early in the season.

[eaglewraith]

I know I've offered excuses for this type of offense, but you can also ring it up on people in the rain....

http://i.imgur.com/U9MncqJ.jpg

I'm willing to bet Wofford wasn't playing in a hurricane ;)

[Reign of Terrier]

I know I've offered excuses for this type of offense, but you can also ring it up on people in the rain....

http://i.imgur.com/U9MncqJ.jpg

I'm willing to bet Wofford wasn't playing in a hurricane ;)

That's actually (rain-wise) exactly what it looked like out there tonight. Straight down pour from beginning to end.

[OLDLCOACH111]

That's actually (rain-wise) exactly what it looked like out there tonight. Straight down pour from beginning to end.

Stop making excuses.. so called top 10 teams are prepared for any circumstance that may effect their strengths, and adjust accordingly.. it rained on both teams..

[Reign of Terrier]

Stop making excuses.. so called top 10 teams are prepared for any circumstance that may effect their strengths, and adjust accordingly.. it rained on both teams..

Well first of all in the context of the aforementioned quote, I wasn't making excuses, rather I was saying it rained a metric **** ton. It didn't just rain. It rained a whole metric****ing****ton

That in itself will throw monkey wrenches in an option offense, and you're a fool if you think otherwise. I'm rooting for Gardner Webb to make the playoffs, because if we play again, we'll win. I'd bet $100 on it. It was the perfect storm tonight, we made way more mistakes than GWU did and we still only lost by 3.

NDSU lost by 3 to an Indiana State team that didn't make the playoffs last year (a lot to do with mistakes as well) and I could see that happening to GWU (not making the playoffs at 8-4 because they play 2 non-D1 teams).

I'm not worried about my team. Tonight was a spectacle.

[BullDog85]

I'm certain that if it had not rained the score would have been different. A running attack like the TO requires none flood conditions to operate. When the turf is slopping wet it is hard to make the cuts and jinks that a runner needs to advance the ball. If you are passing it is easier to throw the rock to the person at the spot to where you want to advance. GW won this time, but under clear skies I think the results would be a lot different.

[OLDLCOACH111]

Well first of all in the context of the aforementioned quote, I wasn't making excuses, rather I was saying it rained a metric **** ton. It didn't just rain. It rained a whole metric****ing****ton

That in itself will throw monkey wrenches in an option offense, and you're a fool if you think otherwise. I'm rooting for Gardner Webb to make the playoffs, because if we play again, we'll win. I'd bet $100 on it. It was the perfect storm tonight, we made way more mistakes than GWU did and we still only lost by 3.

NDSU lost by 3 to an Indiana State team that didn't make the playoffs last year (a lot to do with mistakes as well) and I could see that happening to GWU (not making the playoffs at 8-4 because they play 2 non-D1 teams).

I'm not worried about my team. Tonight was a spectacle.

GW fumbled twice in the red zone, was on Wofford 1 yard line and settled for a field goal, and missed two other field goals.. The score could of been worse.. But I guess they can say it was because of the rain...??? on the other hand, Wofford had 0 legit scoring opportunities, except for 1 early in the first half..

[elcid83]

I'll promise youngt this. Coach Mike Ayers isn't blaming Wofford's loss on the rain. GWU outplayed Wofford tonight. That's all anyone really needs to know.

Go Runnin' Bulldogs!

[dungeonjoe]

Stop making excuses.. so called top 10 teams are prepared for any circumstance that may effect their strengths, and adjust accordingly.. it rained on both teams..
That's not an excuse. That was a fact. It did rain like that beginning to end. Both teams played it in it. Gardner Webb won.

[caribbeanhen]

The Citadel scored 58 points in the rain tonight.

We did have fumbles, though.

Wagner could score point against NODU.... I wouldn't get to excited about it

[Saint3333]

Wofford fans: G Webb is a good team, you guys sound like App and GSU fans with all these excuses.

[AppMan]

A monstrous downpour didn't stop GSU's TO from scoring 26 points during Hurricane Hugo. Happy for Carroll McCray. Got to know him when he coached with Sparky Woods at App. DC is his brother Randall, who played at App. Two really good guys.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

A monstrous downpour didn't stop GSU's TO from scoring 26 points during Hurricane Hugo. Happy for Carroll McCray. Got to know him when he coached with Sparky Woods at App. DC is his brother Randall, who played at App. Two really good guys.

Of course, that was a team that was 15-0 and averaged almost 40 points a game for the season including 45 points a game in the playoffs.

[superman7515]

Well first of all in the context of the aforementioned quote, I wasn't making excuses, rather I was saying it rained a metric **** ton. It didn't just rain. It rained a whole metric****ing****ton


That's not much rain at all. 35 cubic feet of water spread out over an area 300' x 160', so you're looking for 264 gallons over the entire playing surface, that's less than 1/100 of an inch of rain total. In which case I have no idea why you'd be complaining about the rain, that's basically dew on the ground and certainly not the "monsoon" you claimed earlier. But if it makes you feel any better, and since someone brought up the rain at Old Dominion and Delaware as well:

Old Dominion - .47 inches for the whole day, but it rained three different times where there were several hours of breaks in between
UD - 1.54 inches of rain starting at 6:05 pm
Wofford - 1.78 inches of rain starting at 11:35 am

[CID1990]

I know I've offered excuses for this type of offense, but you can also ring it up on people in the rain....

http://i.imgur.com/U9MncqJ.jpg

I'm willing to bet Wofford wasn't playing in a hurricane ;)

On that same day we were beating Navy in their house. In the rain

[Reign of Terrier]

I find it weird that we're making comparisons to teams from 20 years ago to teams that played last night.

I mean, pardon me, but if you look at the play-calling the rain definitely had an effect. I have a hard time buying Wofford moving the ball up and down the field with much success against 2 teams that play the option in practice, with IMO better athletes, and then we suddenly lay an egg against GWU.

For Chrissake, we had like 90 more yards against Baylor, and their defense is much improved this year in comparison to other Big 12 schools 3 games into the season.

[Wallace]

...Old Dominion - .47 inches for the whole day, but it rained three different times where there were several hours of breaks in between
UD - 1.54 inches of rain starting at 6:05 pm
Wofford - 1.78 inches of rain starting at 11:35 am

Gibbs is not FBS ODU or Raymond Field. I was there for the mud game at Gibbs... it gets s.l.o.p.p.y

[Reign of Terrier]

Gibbs is not FBS ODU or Raymond Field. I was there for the mud game at Gibbs... it gets s.l.o.p.p.y

The mud bowl against Furman in 02 or 00? I was there (but I was like in Kindergarten/2nd grade so my memory is a little sparse about it), but there is NO WAY last night was any better than that game.

[dungeonjoe]

That's not much rain at all. 35 cubic feet of water spread out over an area 300' x 160', so you're looking for 264 gallons over the entire playing surface, that's less than 1/100 of an inch of rain total. In which case I have no idea why you'd be complaining about the rain, that's basically dew on the ground and certainly not the "monsoon" you claimed earlier. But if it makes you feel any better, and since someone brought up the rain at Old Dominion and Delaware as well:

Old Dominion - .47 inches for the whole day, but it rained three different times where there were several hours of breaks in between
UD - 1.54 inches of rain starting at 6:05 pm
Wofford - 1.78 inches of rain starting at 11:35 am

Yo, Einstein! Try getting a rain gauge closer to Gibbs than the GSP airport. That's at least a dozen miles away, I sat in this mess last night. It rained more than an inch, trust me.

Noah was texting me. He told me he needed a dodo bird so he picked up Wofford offensive coordinator Wade Lang as the nearest thing he could find. That explains everything.

It rained. Wofford lost. GWU won. End of story.

[AppMan]

On that same day we were beating Navy in their house. In the rain

The Hugo Bowl game was Thursday Night game played 100 miles from the eye of the storm. The Citadel played Navy 2 days later on the 23rd Hugo tracked thru Columbia, Charlotte, up to Cinn then Buffalo and up the Canadian US border. The closest it cam3 to Annapolis was about 500 miles at landfall and you guys played when the storm was almost 700 miles away in northern Ohio..

[dungeonjoe]

The Hugo Bowl game was Thursday Night game played 100 miles from the eye of the storm. The Citadel played Navy 2 days later on the 23rd Hugo tracked thru Columbia, Charlotte, up to Cinn then Buffalo and up the Canadian US border. The closest it cam3 to Annapolis was about 500 miles at landfall and you guys played when the storm was almost 700 miles away in northern Ohio..

Man, what are you doing? Don't mess with historical perceptions. The next thing you will tell us is that the war of Northern Aggression was not fought for states' rights. :)

[AppMan]

Man, what are you doing? Don't mess with historical perceptions. The next thing you will tell us is that the war of Northern Aggression was not fought for states' rights. :)

Yea I know. It stinks when facts get in the way of a good myth. Kinda how the Yankees actually think Lincoln went to war with the South over slavery.

[CID1990]

The Hugo Bowl game was Thursday Night game played 100 miles from the eye of the storm. The Citadel played Navy 2 days later on the 23rd Hugo tracked thru Columbia, Charlotte, up to Cinn then Buffalo and up the Canadian US border. The closest it cam3 to Annapolis was about 500 miles at landfall and you guys played when the storm was almost 700 miles away in northern Ohio..

So you're saying it wasn't raining in sheets during that game? With gusts of wind so strong that a Navy punt landed BEHIND the punter?

I was there and I could have sworn those things happened. You do know that remnants of the storm were still dumping rain all over the East Coast, right?

Fail

(BTW I will concede that GSU played on Thursday and not Saturday like we did- I didn't realize that)

[elcid83]

Here is what Gardner-Webb at Wofford looked like last night, if you want the facts. Yes it rained and yet, Gardner-Webb managed to find a way to rush for 168 net yards. Sick of hearing that Wofford can't run their offense in the rain. The Terriers just got beat last night. That's all there is to it.

Go Runnin' Bulldogs!


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[dungeonjoe]

Yo, Einstein! Try getting a rain gauge closer to Gibbs than the GSP airport. That's at least a dozen miles away, I sat in this mess last night. It rained more than an inch, trust me.

It rained. Wofford lost. GWU won. End of story.


Here is what Gardner-Webb at Wofford looked like last night, if you want the facts. Yes it rained and yet, Gardner-Webb managed to find a way to rush for 168 net yards. Sick of hearing that Wofford can't run their offense in the rain. The Terriers just got beat last night. That's all there is to it.

Go Runnin' Bulldogs!


183271832818329I believe that if you check my post, that is what I said.

[elcid83]

I believe that if you check my post, that is what I said.

I'm cool with you Joe. My comments are aimed at youngterrier. He needs to grow up.

Go Runnin' Bulldogs!

[Reign of Terrier]

Here is what Gardner-Webb at Wofford looked like last night, if you want the facts. Yes it rained and yet, Gardner-Webb managed to find a way to rush for 168 net yards. Sick of hearing that Wofford can't run their offense in the rain. The Terriers just got beat last night. That's all there is to it.

Go Runnin' Bulldogs!


183271832818329

Power I =/= Option in the rain.

I'm rooting for GW so they can make the playoffs so that the next time we play we beat the **** out of them. It was 3-0. I was disappointed in the outcome, but I still think my team "is a contender" so to speak and if the game was played any other day of the week this week we win by double digits.

I'm sticking to that and I really don't care if that makes me ~immature~ or not xcoffeex

There's a lot of factors that play into football games and it's not as simple as "one team is better than the other" because the transitive property doesn't work in football.

Again, there's a double standard when it comes to Wofford fans having confidence in their team and when other big schools do. The monsoon is a legitimate excuse for a team performing not up to par, and of all the offensive playbooks in existence, the offense GWU runs is probably the best to not be neutralized by weather, Wofford's offense not so much. If GSU played poorly in weather like saturday, there would be a nice contingency defending the perspective I'm holding (and there actually are among fans of teams that run the option), and one fan wouldn't be singled out for "needing to grow up."

Again, go Bulldogs. Next time we play the outcome will not be as close. You got the perfect storm, but do not even pretend that the rain was the same factor for both teams.

(I haven't even mentioned the part that our second string DL played a good chunk of the night because of injuries that happened as the night progressed)

[PaladinFan]

Power I =/= Option in the rain.

I'm rooting for GW so they can make the playoffs so that the next time we play we beat the **** out of them. It was 3-0. I was disappointed in the outcome, but I still think my team "is a contender" so to speak and if the game was played any other day of the week this week we win by double digits.

I'm sticking to that and I really don't care if that makes me ~immature~ or not xcoffeex

There's a lot of factors that play into football games and it's not as simple as "one team is better than the other" because the transitive property doesn't work in football.

Again, there's a double standard when it comes to Wofford fans having confidence in their team and when other big schools do. The monsoon is a legitimate excuse for a team performing not up to par, and of all the offensive playbooks in existence, the offense GWU runs is probably the best to not be neutralized by weather, Wofford's offense not so much. If GSU played poorly in weather like saturday, there would be a nice contingency defending the perspective I'm holding (and there actually are among fans of teams that run the option), and one fan wouldn't be singled out for "needing to grow up."

Again, go Bulldogs. Next time we play the outcome will not be as close. You got the perfect storm, but do not even pretend that the rain was the same factor for both teams.

(I haven't even mentioned the part that our second string DL played a good chunk of the night because of injuries that happened as the night progressed)

Just so long as you recognize you are just making up excuses as to why your team didn't win, then there's nothing left to say.

[citdog]

So you're saying it wasn't raining in sheets during that game? With gusts of wind so strong that a Navy punt landed BEHIND the punter?

I was there and I could have sworn those things happened. You do know that remnants of the storm were still dumping rain all over the East Coast, right?

Fail

(BTW I will concede that GSU played on Thursday and not Saturday like we did- I didn't realize that)


If this happened to pigs ass. ga nobody would NOTICE.


http://www.erh.noaa.gov/chs/images/hugo/hugo_FBwashout.jpg

[clenz]

Just so long as you recognize you are just making up excuses as to why your team didn't win, then there's nothing left to say.
Mostly this.


Both teams played in the same rain.

Both teams ran the **** out of the ball in the rain.

One team found a way to put points on the board.

As to you Power I=/=option in the rain...you're right. The option should have a HUGE advantage in the rain. The option relies greatly on fooling the defense, making them make snap judgements, and react to what is happening. A wet field HELPS option teams greatly there. The offense knows what steps they are going to take, the runner KNOWS when he is going to cut and can alter his steps for it. The defense has to react on the fly and is at a distinct disadvantage in those conditions.


If Wofford was SFA and tried to air the ball out 40-50 times a game, I'd buy the weather argument. However, they don't. Rain shouldn't even affect a run game.

[PaladinFan]

fwiw, Paul Johnson has noted before that the triple option essentially is the I-formation, you just start your players from a different position. By the time the ball is snapped, you have a running back, behind a fullback, behind a quarterback. That's the I-formation.

I certainly don't buy that Wofford couldn't run the ball because of the weather. Wofford gave Eric Britenstein the ball nearly 300 times last season. I would wager nearly every one of those carries was between the tackles. It's not as though Wofford has no concept of an interior running game.

The conditions were wet. It affected both teams. Neither team's offense handled it well. Both defenses are stout (recall that's the same GWU team that held Richmond to 10). One team made the plays to win the game, the other one didn't. That's the end of the story.

[CID1990]

fwiw, Paul Johnson has noted before that the triple option essentially is the I-formation, you just start your players from a different position. By the time the ball is snapped, you have a running back, behind a fullback, behind a quarterback. That's the I-formation.

Wow. Deep thoughts from Paul Johnson, there

[Reign of Terrier]

When Wofford goes undefeated in the socon and puts up major points maybe y'all will believe me xcoffeex

[clenz]

Shocking...

Georgia Tech didn't have issues with the rain...



http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2013/09/georgia-tech-rallies-in-the-rain

The Yellow Jackets ran the ball 71 times for 324 yards, including 212 yards in the second half, wearing down UNC’s defense, and keeping its offense off the field. Georgia Tech maintained possession for more than 40 of the game’s 60 minutes in a 28-20 win.



Hell, lots of teams use the option, out of a **** ton of sets, and don't struggle and blame the rain.

[clenz]

Georgia Tech's campus actually recorded more rain that the closest weather station I could find to Gibbs Stadium...why aren't the GT fans bitching about the option being hard to run in the rain.

[Reign of Terrier]

Shocking...

Georgia Tech didn't have issues with the rain...





Hell, lots of teams use the option, out of a **** ton of sets, and don't struggle and blame the rain.

There was more rain at our game. I guarantee that. That was a once in 10 years sort of rain storm. It was worse than the mud bowl of 10 years ago against Furman, which is why I say that.

To put things in perspective I changed twice in the first half alone and couldn't go back after the second time as I had no clothes that would stand the pressure.

And when I say soaked, I mean to my boxers soaked. it was pretty miserable.

[Reign of Terrier]

Georgia Tech's campus actually recorded more rain that the closest weather station I could find to Gibbs Stadium...why aren't the GT fans bitching about the option being hard to run in the rain.

because we had more :)

[clenz]

There was more rain at our game. I guarantee that. That was a once in 10 years sort of rain storm. It was worse than the mud bowl of 10 years ago against Furman, which is why I say that.

To put things in perspective I changed twice in the first half alone and couldn't go back after the second time as I had no clothes that would stand the pressure.

And when I say soaked, I mean to my boxers soaked. it was pretty miserable.
Georgia Tech's weather reporting

1.37 inches

Closest I could find to Gibb's Stadium
1.36 inches

[Reign of Terrier]

Georgia Tech's weather reporting

1.37 inches

Closest I could find to Gibb's Stadium
1.36 inches

GT game was at noon, Wofford at 7 EST. So, in other words, I doubt it rained that much in Atlanta from noon to 3. You would have to be more precise as to the time of the raining, the frequency, and so on. the field was already wet and by the time it was half time the field had a nice consistent puddle. It was bad.

[PaladinFan]

When Wofford goes undefeated in the socon and puts up major points maybe y'all will believe me xcoffeex

Like when you said Wofford would beat Gardner Webb in a blowout?

I think you are a strong advocate for your team, but sometimes it's better just to say "yup, we got whipped by a hot team. We'll get 'em next time." All this prognosticating and excuse making is just a tough sell. You don't know anymore about what Wofford is going to do tomorrow than I do.

[OL FU]

Funny, I remember YT when he was just a kid. Nice guy, rational, reasonable, very adult. Funny how going to college can turn you into a snot nose kid:p



Just kidding YT:) (well kinda sorta)

[ElCid]

GT game was at noon, Wofford at 7 EST. So, in other words, I doubt it rained that much in Atlanta from noon to 3. You would have to be more precise as to the time of the raining, the frequency, and so on. the field was already wet and by the time it was half time the field had a nice consistent puddle. It was bad.

I watched the Ga Tech game on TV and it was coming down in buckets for a good chunk of the game. After a certain intensity of rain, it just does not matter, so arguing over where it rained more is just silly. I will give Wofford this, I am sure the Ga Tech has better field quality and a better drainage system than Wofford. But I still would not stay on the "rain was the factor that lost it for us" line. I am surprised but I am thinking Wofford just was not up for it and the rain is a convenient excuse. It was more likely--OOC team, usually not very good, they must have gotten lucky last week against Richmond, WE just beat Ga Southern.....we will pull it out in the end somehow. Only you never did. Is it possible your boys just were not up to the challenge this week?

[dungeonjoe]

Funny, I remember YT when he was just a kid. Nice guy, rational, reasonable, very adult. Funny how going to college can turn you into a snot nose kid:p



Just kidding YT:) (well kinda sorta)

YT is majoring in arguing with a minor in us-against-them. He seems to be well on his way to the Dean's List. I remember when I was in college and passionate about everything. I think its fueled by the smell of stale beer and dirty socks in most men's dorms...

[OL FU]

YT is majoring in arguing with a minor in us-against-them. He seems to be well on his way to the Dean's List. I remember when I was in college and passionate about everything. I think its fueled by the smell of stale beer and dirty socks in most men's dorms...

:D That's a smell with which I am still familiar:o

[dungeonjoe]

:D That's a smell with which I am still familiar:o yeah, I have 30 year old flashbacks every time I go in his dorm.

[CID1990]

This thread is starting to reach Chattown proportions of ridiculousness.

[ASUMountaineer]

When Wofford goes undefeated in the socon and puts up major points maybe y'all will believe me xcoffeex

That's a ridiculous statement. No one said WoCo wasn't any good. They just disagree with your statement that GWU's D had nothing to do with it. Settle down, chattown.

[ASUMountaineer]

Georgia Tech's campus actually recorded more rain that the closest weather station I could find to Gibbs Stadium...why aren't the GT fans bitching about the option being hard to run in the rain.

Because GT won. xnodx

[CID1990]

YT will go through the rain, the barometric pressure, how his cap was sitting on his head, and what Wofford's team had for lunch before he gets to GW's defense as the cause for the loss.

[clenz]

YT will go through the rain, the barometric pressure, how his cap was sitting on his head, and what Wofford's team had for lunch before he gets to GW's defense as the cause for the loss.http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/true-story-new-240x180.png

[walliver]

There was more rain at our game. I guarantee that. That was a once in 10 years sort of rain storm. It was worse than the mud bowl of 10 years ago against Furman, which is why I say that.

To put things in perspective I changed twice in the first half alone and couldn't go back after the second time as I had no clothes that would stand the pressure.

And when I say soaked, I mean to my boxers soaked. it was pretty miserable.

I stayed until the very end.:(

There was a lot of rain, but the field was in excellent shape. The problem with the option was that we only ran the option one time in the first half. Players were not slipping and sliding on the field. In fact, if the field had been in sloppy condition, it probably would have helped us as defenders would slip and fall every now and then.

The real issue was that our offensive line got beat and our offensive coordinator didn't have a "Plan B".

Generally, rain doesn't affect the field much until November (when the grass dies off). That was an issue in the 2002 Furman game, a game where players actually were slipping and falling.

The real Mud Bowl was the "Textile Bowl in 1974" against SC State
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1876&dat=19741201&id=v1MsAAAAIBAJ&sjid=B80EAAAAIBAJ&pg=7286,72333

I was one of the 100 left at the end of that game too (I was 14 at the time).

[clenz]

I stayed until the very end.:(

There was a lot of rain, but the field was in excellent shape. The problem with the option was that we only ran the option one time in the first half. Players were not slipping and sliding on the field. In fact, if the field had been in sloppy condition, it probably would have helped us as defenders would slip and fall every now and then.


WHAT?

NO!

Rain hurts the offense more than the defense...especially running teams!

[AppMan]

So you're saying it wasn't raining in sheets during that game? With gusts of wind so strong that a Navy punt landed BEHIND the punter?

I was there and I could have sworn those things happened. You do know that remnants of the storm were still dumping rain all over the East Coast, right?

Fail

(BTW I will concede that GSU played on Thursday and not Saturday like we did- I didn't realize that)


It may have rained, but it had nothing to do with Hugo

By Steve Twomey and Stephen C. Fehr
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, September 23, 1989; Page A1

Schools closed, Metro ridership slipped, thousands of federal and District workers stayed home, downtown thinned out, malls grew quieter and two elderly women even trooped to a Prince George's County storm shelter to wait out the worst. And then Hugo missed its appointed round by a mile. Actually, by several hundred miles.

Widely predicted to pass this way yesterday with soaking rains and gusty winds, the disintegrating remains of Hurricane Hugo toured Appalachia instead, leaving Washington in occasional sunshine and leaving, too, a lot of people wondering just what went wrong. Or right. "I don't know whether to be happy or sad about this," said Patrick J. Michaels, the Virginia state climatologist. "But I'm sorry. What can I say? You think forecasters feel good when this happens?" By the end of the day, many were making light of the storm that never was.

Hugo barreled far inland, dumping heavy rain in North Carolina, Southwest Virginia and West Virginia as it swept across the Appalachians.
Washington had some early morning showers – and then nothing.

By noon, all flood, tropical storm and hurricane watches and warnings for the area had been canceled. At 7 p.m., total rainfall for the day at National Airport was a tenth of an inch. Occasionally heavy rain, unrelated to Hugo, is in the forecast for today.

[CID1990]

It may have rained, but it had nothing to do with Hugo

By Steve Twomey and Stephen C. Fehr
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, September 23, 1989; Page A1

Schools closed, Metro ridership slipped, thousands of federal and District workers stayed home, downtown thinned out, malls grew quieter and two elderly women even trooped to a Prince George's County storm shelter to wait out the worst. And then Hugo missed its appointed round by a mile. Actually, by several hundred miles.

Widely predicted to pass this way yesterday with soaking rains and gusty winds, the disintegrating remains of Hurricane Hugo toured Appalachia instead, leaving Washington in occasional sunshine and leaving, too, a lot of people wondering just what went wrong. Or right. "I don't know whether to be happy or sad about this," said Patrick J. Michaels, the Virginia state climatologist. "But I'm sorry. What can I say? You think forecasters feel good when this happens?" By the end of the day, many were making light of the storm that never was.

Hugo barreled far inland, dumping heavy rain in North Carolina, Southwest Virginia and West Virginia as it swept across the Appalachians.
Washington had some early morning showers – and then nothing.

By noon, all flood, tropical storm and hurricane watches and warnings for the area had been canceled. At 7 p.m., total rainfall for the day at National Airport was a tenth of an inch. Occasionally heavy rain, unrelated to Hugo, is in the forecast for today.




So your argument is that the rain had nothing to do with Hugo, while my argument is that El Cid beat I-A Navy in driving rain and wind?

Amirite? (Hope you didn't spend too much time digging that out LOL)

BTW- I didnt watch a weather forecast that day. I assumed that driving rain and wind was somehow correlated to a tropical storm that may or may not have been in the area.

[citdog]

Well......HAIRS are spilt all over the place on this thread!

[IBleedYellow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOXkT107x2E

All your arguments are invalid.

[eaglessoar20021]

Spot on.

I'll promise youngt this. Coach Mike Ayers isn't blaming Wofford's loss on the rain. GWU outplayed Wofford tonight. That's all anyone really needs to know.

Go Runnin' Bulldogs!

[OL FU]

Well......HAIRS are spilt all over the place on this thread!

I am guessing you lost my phone number. I haven't received my annual cursing cuz you forgot to tip me phone call:)

[Saint3333]

Funny, I remember YT when he was just a kid. Nice guy, rational, reasonable, very adult. Funny how going to college can turn you into a snot nose kid:p



Just kidding YT:) (well kinda sorta)

That is a required freshman course at Wofford.

[dungeonjoe]

Wofford lost, no excuse, no justification. GWU played in the same conditions and won.

I post this tweet to let you know how miserable it was in those conditions. This comes from the athletic department:

@WoffordTerriers: It rained approximately 3.5 inches on Saturday at #Wofford, most of which came down during the football and soccer games.


Here is hoping adjustments are made for PC and the rest of the SoCon schedule.

[Twentysix]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOXkT107x2E

All your arguments are invalid.

They don't have the money to play a game on a field of cocaine.

[chattownmocs]

Watched the wofford broadcast highlights. If it wasn't raining Gardner Webb would have rolled.

[Reign of Terrier]

Watched the wofford broadcast highlights. If it wasn't raining Gardner Webb would have rolled.

xlolx

[chattownmocs]

xlolx

They had more issues than y'all did, they also had better offensive production. Wofford is not good.

[Reign of Terrier]

They had more issues than y'all did, they also had better offensive production. Wofford is not good.

16-13

[chattownmocs]

16-13

As bad as your offense was that game it will be even worse this year. The fact that you are bragging about a 3 point overtime home win when your team was much better and ours was worse pretty much paints a clear picture of what to expect this year.

[Reign of Terrier]

As bad as your offense was that game it will be even worse this year. The fact that you are bragging about a 3 point overtime home win when your team was much better and ours was worse pretty much paints a clear picture of what to expect this year.

Okay then
28-27
45-10

I could go on.

Chattanooga is a terrible program.

[elcid83]

Looks like I can move along from this thread. Good luck Chattown. You're arguing with an idiot.

Go Runnin' Bulldogs!

[chattownmocs]

Okay then
28-27
45-10

I could go on.

Chattanooga is a terrible program.

You shouldn't go on. You should stop talking because your team just got shut out at hone by gardener webbing and you gave up over 400 yards to a Georgian southern team that had no interest in winning. You are extremely vulnerable on both sides of the ball and you will get completely outclassed.

[AppMan]

So your argument is that the rain had nothing to do with Hugo, while my argument is that El Cid beat I-A Navy in driving rain and wind?

Amirite? (Hope you didn't spend too much time digging that out LOL)

BTW- I didnt watch a weather forecast that day. I assumed that driving rain and wind was somehow correlated to a tropical storm that may or may not have been in the area.

Nice job of backpedaling... You claimed The Citadel and Navy played on the same day and under the same conditions as GSU & MTSU.

I simply pointed out you didn't. Occasionally heavy rain is a far cry from the 5 inches of rain that fell on Statesboro during that game. Nothing more.

[CID1990]

Nice job of backpedaling... You claimed The Citadel and Navy played on the same day and under the same conditions as GSU & MTSU.

I simply pointed out you didn't. Occasionally heavy rain is a far cry from the 5 inches of rain that fell on Statesboro during that game. Nothing more.

Give it up, Erkel. The point was that we ran the option and beat a I-A team in a steady squall. I'm sure the GSU folks appreciate you watching their back, but I wasn't trying to one up them. I was simply adding another example of a run-centric team that had no problem with offensive production in heavy rain.

Jesus some of you guys need to get laid in the biggest way.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/24/nasetyma.jpg

[Apphole]

Give it up, Erkel. The point was that we ran the option and beat a I-A team in a steady squall. I'm sure the GSU folks appreciate you watching their back, but I wasn't trying to one up them. I was simply adding another example of a run-centric team that had no problem with offensive production in heavy rain.

Jesus some of you guys need to get laid in the biggest way.


Posts like these concede that the poster has indeed LOST the internet. That loser being you, of course.

[CID1990]

Posts like these concede that the poster has indeed LOST the internet. That loser being you, of course.

And you're the other idiot.

[PaladinFan]

With all of this intelligent commentary floating around, I'm reminded of my favorite Lewis Black quotes:

"[T]hat's the kind of sentence that when you hear it, your brain comes to a screeching halt, and the left side hand side of the brain looks at the right hand side and goes, 'it's dark in here, and we may die.'"

[walliver]

I'm glad this thread has completely veered away from last Saturday's disappointing game.:)

[OL FU]

Did Wofford lose? Who would have thoughtxconfusedx

[Apphole]

And you're the other idiot.

I just always love it when someone goes back and forth and back and forthwith someone and then when they lose the upper hand they deploy the, "get a life why do you care so much/win the internet" schtick. I consider it a rhetorical white flag.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

The issue is not how much rain falls but how much traction players can get on the field. I obviously cannot compare the level of rainfall or the wetness of the playing surfaces from Spartanburg, Atlanta, and Norfolk last week, but if you are a team that runs and blocks on the perimeter having a slippery surface will affect you more than it will Power I and Pro Style type teams. And if you know it's coming you can't do a whole lot more than an air raid team getting ready to play in strong winds.

Like I said, I wasn't on the field or even there, but when a football game in this day and age ends in a 3-0 final score, that tells me something is going on.

[CID1990]

I just always love it when someone goes back and forth and back and forthwith someone and then when they lose the upper hand they deploy the, "get a life why do you care so much/win the internet" schtick. I consider it a rhetorical white flag.

I'm not sure what you and the other one are getting at. Are you saying that The Citadel didn't beat Navy in a downpour in 1989? Because otherwise I don't see your point.

I already conceded that I was incorrect about it being on the same day as the Hugo Bowl.

[Apphole]

I already conceded that I was incorrect.

xhighfivex
There, that wasn't too hard was it?

[CID1990]

xhighfivex
There, that wasn't too hard was it?

If you would read first you would have already seen that.