OK, so what happens when...

[Pards Rule]

I was watching the UF-Clemson game last week when I saw a blocked FG returned for a TD and saw a blocked FG, but a blocked FG is worth only 2 points? My question is if on a blocked FG the defense runs it thirty yards downfield but not a TD, they get the ball 30 yards downfield, first & 10? What about a blocked FG and a thirty yard runback before guy is tackled? Same scenario?

[ngineer]

I was watching the UF-Clemson game last week when I saw a blocked FG returned for a TD and saw a blocked FG, but a blocked FG is worth only 2 points? My question is if on a blocked FG the defense runs it thirty yards downfield but not a TD, they get the ball 30 yards downfield, first & 10? What about a blocked FG and a thirty yard runback before guy is tackled? Same scenario?

I'm a little confused over the scenario. But if I understand, a blocked fg can be returned for a td. A blocked PAT is returned for 2 pts. IF a blocked fg goes beyond the line of scrimmage, then there may be difference. It's been years since I looked at a rule book, and things change as well, as we have seen.

[Pards Rule]

anyone?

[89Hen]

But if I understand, a blocked fg can be returned for a td. A blocked PAT is returned for 2 pts.
You are correct and I think that's where Pards was mistaken. A blocked FG returned is a TD, a blocked PAT or intercepted/fumbled 2 pt conversion returned is 2 points.

UD had an interesting one in the Albany game. UA attempted a 54 yard FG late in the game and UD sent a player deep in case they pooch punted (they had already done that earlier in the game on 3rd and forever). The FG was blocked and the deep man picked it up at the 15 after looking at it for a while and then got immediately tackled. UD ball at the 15. Had he not picked it up, UD would have had the ball at the 44. :bawling:

[89Hen]

Oh, and maybe you meant why doesn't the guy just run out of bounds at the one so they have a line of scrimmage there so they can then punch it in for a TD? Still wouldn't work. The FG block is a TD and if they don't make it, they ball is marked where the returner is tackeld. If a PAT return doesn't make it the whole way, the play is just dead and the team attempting the PAT still kicks off.

[Pards Rule]

OK 89 Hen, that is what I was working towards.

[Pards Rule]

You know, I think they ought to make it the same for every blocked FG, PAT or punt. It doesn't happen hardly at all on the PAT so I would like to see all treated the same way.

[89Hen]

You know, I think they ought to make it the same for every blocked FG, PAT or punt. It doesn't happen hardly at all on the PAT so I would like to see all treated the same way.
The only problem I see with that is a PAT would be far easier to return because the ball would only be able to travel a max of 13 yards from the line of scrimage. With a blocked FG as seen in the UD game, the returner was 20 yards downfield. Although blocked PAT's are far more infrequent, I'd love to see the percentage of blocked ones that get returned compared to blocked FG's.

[Pards Rule]

I would venture (based on what I have seen) a lot higher for blocked FGs

[89Hen]

What would you do on the PAT for the next play? If the return didn't go all the way do they keep the ball where it is? If they do score a TD, who kicks off?

[Pard4Life]

Wait.. I am so confused here...

a returned blocked FG att. that does not cross the line of scrimage = TD
a returned blocked PAT that does not cross scrimage = 2pts
a blocked FG att. that crosses the line of scrimmage = dead ball, spotted at the line for the opposing team

no?? :confused:

[Pards Rule]

What would you do on the PAT for the next play? If the return didn't go all the way do they keep the ball where it is? If they do score a TD, who kicks off?

Yes, play where it is....The scoring team kicks off....

[MYTAPPY]

Ask Furman, they know what happens when a two conversion play is intercepted and returned the other way for 2 pts.xlolx

[89Hen]

Wait.. I am so confused here...

a returned blocked FG att. that does not cross the line of scrimage = TD
a returned blocked PAT that does not cross scrimage = 2pts
a blocked FG att. that crosses the line of scrimmage = dead ball, spotted at the line for the opposing team

no?? :confused:
No. :p

The kicks do not have to stay short of the line of scrimmage to be returned. If a player blocks the ball within 3 yards of the line of scrimmage it becomes a live ball for the receiving team even if it crosses the line of scrimmage. Only they can pick it up. If they do pick it up, it is a live ball and can be returned for either 2 points on a PAT try or for 6 points for a FG try.

Again, in the case of the UD/UA game, three things could have happened when the FG was blocked but went 20 yards. The Hens could have walked away from it and they would have gotten the ball at the 44 just as if he had missed the FG. They could have picked it up and run it in for a TD, or as happened, he picked it and was tackled giving the Hens the ball where he was down.

[Mr. C]

Ask Furman, they know what happens when a two conversion play is intercepted and returned the other way for 2 pts.xlolx
App State knows how it feels to be on the wrong side of that play, too. Just ask QB Bake Baker, who had that happen during that 1998 season-ending loss to Liberty that knocked ASU out of the playoffs.

[kardplayer]

To extend the question (and show why it doesn't really make any sense):

A good FG snapped at the 2 yard line = 3 points
A good PAT snapped at the 1 yard line = 1 point

The Conversion Attempt is a special play, with all values 1/3 of the normal:

Scoring a "TD" for either team = 2 instead of 6
Kicking it through the uprights = 1 instead of 3

[Pards Rule]

OK, got it...But still I think the prospect of a blocked PAT is so rare that the result should be treated the same as an FG...Remember with an FG they marched down the field to get to that position and a PAT the ball is spotted for an easy point.

[kardplayer]

OK, got it...But still I think the prospect of a blocked PAT is so rare that the result should be treated the same as an FG...Remember with an FG they marched down the field to get to that position and a PAT the ball is spotted for an easy point.

Well, the PAT does come after they've marched down the field AND scored a TD.

[Pards Rule]

Yes...so blocked anything returned the other way is 6!

[89Hen]

OK, got it...But still I think the prospect of a blocked PAT is so rare that the result should be treated the same as an FG...Remember with an FG they marched down the field to get to that position and a PAT the ball is spotted for an easy point.
Ahhh, but why should a team be rewarded for allowing the other team to score a TD? If you hold them to a FG and block it, you should be rewarded appropriately. Allowing them to score a TD, not so much.

BTW, I've seen an awful lot of college games where that point aint so easy. Wasn't PennSt's bowl game last year a battle of missed PAT's? One of the games this past week had one or two misses (BC/Clemson maybe?). In the NFL it's almost a given though.

[89Hen]

To extend the question (and show why it doesn't really make any sense):

A good FG snapped at the 2 yard line = 3 points
A good PAT snapped at the 1 yard line = 1 point

The Conversion Attempt is a special play, with all values 1/3 of the normal:

Scoring a "TD" for either team = 2 instead of 6
Kicking it through the uprights = 1 instead of 3
I must not have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. You completely lost me here.

[Pards Rule]

I did and I understand it completely!

[kardplayer]

Ahhh, but why should a team be rewarded for allowing the other team to score a TD? If you hold them to a FG and block it, you should be rewarded appropriately. Allowing them to score a TD, not so much.

BTW, I've seen an awful lot of college games where that point aint so easy. Wasn't PennSt's bowl game last year a battle of missed PAT's? One of the games this past week had one or two misses (BC/Clemson maybe?). In the NFL it's almost a given though.

Not to mention the LU/UD OT game last season that ended on a missed PAT...

[kardplayer]

I must not have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. You completely lost me here.

My point was the math of points scored: the conversion attempt is 1/3 the value of the same exact thing happening from the same exact location, had it happened at any time EXCEPT for after a TD (my yard line typo notwithstanding)...

[89Hen]

My point was the math of points scored: the conversion attempt is 1/3 the value of the same exact thing happening from the same exact location, had it happened at any time EXCEPT for after a TD (my yard line typo notwithstanding)...
:( I still don't get it. Are you saying TD's or FG's are worth too much or that PAT's and two-point tries are too little... ? :confused: :confused:

[EKU05]

It's very simple as many have stated...on a PAT play everything is worth one third of what it normally is. A "touchdown" is worth two on either end. The offensive team has the option of kicking a "field goal" which obviously would be worth one point. It would make no sense at all to have one endzone worth 2 while the other end zone is worth 6. Why would you do that?

Here is one question though (purely hypothetical)...

Say by some UNREAL freak coincidence the offensive team took at safety on a PAT (which would require a loss of at least 97 yards). How would that be scored? Does anyone actually know?