Missouri State releases official rendering for stadium renovation

[MSUBear42]

While they're saying this is contingent on the student body passing a first-ever (for MSU) athletics/recreation fee, it's sounding more and more likely that it will happen no matter what.

The biggest highlights are a brand new, 4,100 seat student side at Plaster Sports Complex along with the removal of the track. It will also include new home/away locker facilities.

It will also include a new Lacrosse/Field Hockey stadium, a new Track/Soccer stadium, as well as a new sand volleyball facility that will be able to host NCAA Sand Volleyball if they add it as a sport.


Pretty cool stuff in the works... whoever we hire to replace the worst coach in the world after this season will get a nice new stadium to call home. Our new president is VERY pro-athletics and I will be more than shocked if you don't see MSU make enormous improvements within the next 5 years.

Football:
18309

Soccer/Track:
18305

Sand Volleyball:
18306

LAX/Field Hockey
18307

[Western_101]

That looks very ambitious. It would be a huge upgrade. I wonder what it would cost to realize all of those facility upgrades?

[MplsBison]

Comments/questions:

Football - so they are going to get rid of the track, move the field closer to the existing home side (rather than sink the field and build down and outward from the bottom of existing facilities) and build a new visiting/student side, correct? The new visiting side looks much better than what I've seen previously, where it looked like they were trying to have some sort of club with windows right at the bottom; it looked very odd.

Soccer/track - I take it the throwers will have their own deal somewhere else? I see nothing for shot put, discus/hammer or javelin. And obviously you wouldn't want to be hurling implements onto a fieldturf surface anyway. Will it be fieldturf or natural grass?

Lax/field hockey - Will the surface be fieldturf or old style astroturf? I've read (in another thread here) that field hockey is the one sport left that actually prefers old style astro turf, although the thumbnail you attached clearly shows the 'flyout' of the fieldturf infill.

(question: if the Lax/field hockey field is going to be fieldturf, why wouldn't you just include lines for soccer on that field and have the soccer team player there? Then the track in-field could be natural grass and you could use it for throwing.)

Sand volleyball: is there anything that particularly makes this something more than sand volleyball courts you might find at any park across the country?? I don't even see seating, unless that's supposed to be the grass berm? How big is a sand volleyball team anyway? Do they play four's, six's?

[BluBengal07]

congrats.
what is the price tag for all of these upgrades/developments?
are things going to occur at the same time or in phases?
NCAA sand volleyball....news to me


with trying to find sources on this, i found this older AGS thread. MODS might want to combine.
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?127900-Missouri-State-AD-said-40-Million-stadium-upgrade-is-coming

[BISON Thunder]

Congrat's to Missouri State for investing in the future. Excited for what you and South Dakota State are doing relative to stadiums!

[MSUBear42]

Football - so they are going to get rid of the track, move the field closer to the existing home side (rather than sink the field and build down and outward from the bottom of existing facilities) and build a new visiting/student side, correct? The new visiting side looks much better than what I've seen previously, where it looked like they were trying to have some sort of club with windows right at the bottom; it looked very odd.
Correct. For this phase, they are removing the track. The field itself will only move a few feet to the west because of sight-lines for the upper bowl. It sounds like what will eventually happen (Phase 2), is that they will close our old lower bowl of the West (big) side and renovate it to be basically outdoor seating for the suites.


Soccer/track - I take it the throwers will have their own deal somewhere else? I see nothing for shot put, discus/hammer or javelin. And obviously you wouldn't want to be hurling implements onto a fieldturf surface anyway. Will it be fieldturf or natural grass?
Track: Yes, our throwers already have a field facility that will now be directly across the street from the future site. The field is grass.


Lax/field hockey - Will the surface be fieldturf or old style astroturf? I've read (in another thread here) that field hockey is the one sport left that actually prefers old style astro turf, although the thumbnail you attached clearly shows the 'flyout' of the fieldturf infill.

(question: if the Lax/field hockey field is going to be fieldturf, why wouldn't you just include lines for soccer on that field and have the soccer team player there? Then the track in-field could be natural grass and you could use it for throwing.)


Soccer surface will be field turf, Field Hockey/LAX will be astroturf (basically a "DO THIS OR ELSE" from the MAC on this), I agree that the renderings make it look like it's field turf, but I know for sure that it will be astro.


Sand volleyball: is there anything that particularly makes this something more than sand volleyball courts you might find at any park across the country?? I don't even see seating, unless that's supposed to be the grass berm? How big is a sand volleyball team anyway? Do they play four's, six's?

Re: sand volleyball as a sport, I have no clue... but yes, that is a berm on the one end for seating. What's cool about this is that it's situated directly in a corner of Hammons Student Center (Our old bball/current volleyball home).




As for the total costs, I think right now they are saying the total cost for all the venues combined is right at $20 million.

[dbackjon]

Yes, women's sand volleyball is an official NCAA sport - 34 schools compete at the DI level, mostly in CA/FL

[taper]

Yes, women's sand volleyball is an official NCAA sport - 34 schools compete at the DI level, mostly in CA/FL

We need to find a way to make this work up north. Actually, maybe we'll have a large, though creepy, attendence at outdoor games in North Dakota. The athletes won't need pens to sign autographs..

[MplsBison]

Correct. For this phase, they are removing the track. The field itself will only move a few feet to the west because of sight-lines for the upper bowl. It sounds like what will eventually happen (Phase 2), is that they will close our old lower bowl of the West (big) side and renovate it to be basically outdoor seating for the suites.


Track: Yes, our throwers already have a field facility that will now be directly across the street from the future site. The field is grass.



Soccer surface will be field turf, Field Hockey/LAX will be astroturf (basically a "DO THIS OR ELSE" from the MAC on this), I agree that the renderings make it look like it's field turf, but I know for sure that it will be astro.



Re: sand volleyball as a sport, I have no clue... but yes, that is a berm on the one end for seating. What's cool about this is that it's situated directly in a corner of Hammons Student Center (Our old bball/current volleyball home).




As for the total costs, I think right now they are saying the total cost for all the venues combined is right at $20 million.

Ok, understand about the throwers and the surfaces.

I just can't understand why you wouldn't put Lax with the Soccer field, then?? I mean, my goodness I would hate to be a Lax player on the astroturf. Seems ridiculous. Then if field hockey really is needed, fine they get their own astroturf surface to appease the conference.


It's not like any of these women's lax or field hockey players are coming from Missouri anyway. They're all east coast or Canadian imports.

[MplsBison]

Yes, women's sand volleyball is an official NCAA sport - 34 schools compete at the DI level, mostly in CA/FL

Does this really do much to boost women's participation numbers? I get that it's a cheap, low overhead sport. But the AVP is just doubles (I think) but perhaps they could play quads. Unless they're playing multiple teams at once, I don't see how you'd need a very big team roster. Maybe just one or two girls per class?

And then you might have a situation where the court Vball players are just crossing over. I don't know if multi-sport athletes can be "double counted" for title IX purposes. Probably not.

[MSUBear42]

Ok, understand about the throwers and the surfaces.

I just can't understand why you wouldn't put Lax with the Soccer field, then?? I mean, my goodness I would hate to be a Lax player on the astroturf. Seems ridiculous. Then if field hockey really is needed, fine they get their own astroturf surface to appease the conference.


It's not like any of these women's lax or field hockey players are coming from Missouri anyway. They're all east coast or Canadian imports.

Well, they aren't going to add LAX any time soon, so maybe they still will. We have a good club program, but that is it.

[MplsBison]

Well, they aren't going to add LAX any time soon, so maybe they still will. We have a good club program, but that is it.

Oh.

I guess I assumed (incorrectly) that you had a women's Lax team already and hence the facility. Guess not and for that matter same with women's sand volleyball. I see they are adding women's tennis next year. Must be gearing up title IX numbers for the move to FBS in football, right? :)


Kinda weird that you would add Field Hockey before Lax. I think. Just seems like much more of a east coast, prep school, niche sport whereas Lax at least has spread somewhat western.

[BEAR]

Can't wait to see the stadium tomorrow! Let's keep our players healthy and enjoy YET ANOTHER shootout at Plaster!

[MSUBear42]

Can't wait to see the stadium tomorrow! Let's keep our players healthy and enjoy YET ANOTHER shootout at Plaster!

Hope you have a fun trip! Sadly, not sure how excited the fan base will be after our 3rd straight 0-3 start. There may be a few brown paper bags and torches and pitchforks.



The last time we played you in Springfield was easily one of the best games I've ever seen in person on any level.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzXhC-GKoaY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn-x8CeaXUM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzXhC-GKoaY)

[clenz]

Oh.

I guess I assumed (incorrectly) that you had a women's Lax team already and hence the facility. Guess not and for that matter same with women's sand volleyball. I see they are adding women's tennis next year. Must be gearing up title IX numbers for the move to FBS in football, right? :)


Kinda weird that you would add Field Hockey before Lax. I think. Just seems like much more of a east coast, prep school, niche sport whereas Lax at least has spread somewhat western.I believe field hockey has more teams nationally than womens LAX.

Mens LAX has moved west...womens not as much

[MSUBear42]

I believe field hockey has more teams nationally than womens LAX.

Mens LAX has moved west...womens not as much
Seems like it.

And to answer the Title 9 question, that's exactly it.

At a donor event (off the record), our President said that we had to add one women's sport to stay compliant in Title 9 just because of our % of women:men enrollment, but that we will have to add at least one additional if we do decide to move up.

[clenz]

Seems like it.

And to answer the Title 9 question, that's exactly it.

At a donor event (off the record), our President said that we had to add one women's sport to stay compliant in Title 9 just because of our % of women:men enrollment, but that we will have to add at least one additional if we do decide to move up.
Same type of situation happend with UNI dropped baseball.

It was played off as a "money" thing...and to an extent it was true. A MVC team in Iowa that really wasn't that good, didn't have it's own stadium, couldn't draw a crowd, etc... was all part of it.

However, dropping baseball was as much a Title IX issue as anything else - though it will never be admitted that way...Same situation played out at Iowa State when the dropped baseball - but they just straight blamed Title IX

[MplsBison]

I believe field hockey has more teams nationally than womens LAX.

Mens LAX has moved west...womens not as much

I see.

Well, I guess I just don't get field hockey period. Any sport that actually *wants* to play on old style Astroturf is nuts. Why not just play on the parking lot?

[Western_101]

I'm all for equal opportunity but, having said that I am really really not a fan of Title IX. I think the intentions are good......

[Twentysix]

I'm all for equal opportunity but, having said that I am really really not a fan of Title IX. I think the intentions are good......

35 person teams, women's poll dancing.

I just invented a high attendance women's sport that will help title IX :D.

[MSUBear42]

BREAKING:

Students pass the fee by a 80% YES vote!!!!!


http://www.missouristatebears.com/genrel/101813aaa.html

[GSU Eagle]

Has there been any talk of Missouri State and the SunBelt Conference?

[Twentysix]

Has there been any talk of Missouri State and the SunBelt Conference?

Hoops downgrade, probably the same problem as UNI to the MAC.

[clenz]

Has there been any talk of Missouri State and the SunBelt Conference?
Supposedly MSU has/had a standing offer from the Sun Belt (way under the table)...IF they move all sports to the SBC.

That isn't going to happen unless the MVC falls apart as a basketball/baseball/volleyball league.

UNI, ILSU, and MSU have all said that moving football to FBS is an option that has been explored and IF the RIGHT situation came up it would be seriously considered ONLY IF it didn't hurt their standings in the MVC for all other sports.

[skinny_uncle]

35 person teams, women's poll dancing.

I just invented a high attendance women's sport that will help title IX :D.

Please, no one ask him how you keep score.
xeyebrowx

[mmiller_34]

35 person teams, women's poll dancing.

I just invented a high attendance women's sport that will help title IX :D.

How do you keep score?