So If NDSU is the Alabama of FCS, who is your school like?

[Catatonic]

Who is the Idaho or NM State of FCS?

The Vandy, Rice or Duke?

Who is the faded power that still believes itself relevant, like Texas or Auburn?

Just curious.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Maybe Idaho State is the Idaho of FCS?

[CHIP72]

Hmm, I have four schools...

In alphabetical order:

*Lafayette - maybe Rutgers (without Rutgers moving to the Big Ten)
*Lehigh - a lesser version of Louisville (without Louisville moving to the ACC)
*Penn - Northwestern (if Northwestern played in a league with Vanderbilt, Duke, Wake Forest, and other similar schools)
*Villanova - Penn State without the sanctions or Nebraska (play in a league that is declining relative to what it used to be)

[chattownmocs]

Probably South Carolina

[BisonFan02]

Maybe Idaho State is the Idaho of FCS?

Idaho State is at least in a good FCS conference (make them Duke or Vandy then?) Idaho being in the Sunbelt would make them like Valpo in the Pioneer.

[underdawg]

Ha-ha! I don't know. What FBS team has half their starting OL out with injuries, number one RB kicked off team and yet played the number 9 team in the nation to three points in double overtime? Go Salukis!

Whoops! forgot to mention Faulkner the starting QB got hurt on his non-throwing shoulder and will be out for SEMO game--jeesh!

[citdog]

We are The Citadel.



http://grooveshark.com/#!/search/song?q=Citadel+Band+Dixie

[bonarae]

Idaho/NM State - Valpo, Georgetown, Presbyterian, Idaho State
Vandy - Wofford, Lehigh
Rice/Duke - all Ivy League schools, Georgetown may also go here.
Faded power still relevant - Montana, Villanova

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Probably South Carolina

Bull****, you have never been that successful.

[gumby013]

Ha-ha! I don't know. What FBS team has half their starting OL out with injuries, number one RB kicked off team and yet played the number 9 team in the nation to three points in double overtime? Go Salukis!

Whoops! forgot to mention Faulkner the starting QB got hurt on his non-throwing shoulder and will be out for SEMO game--jeesh!

2012 Auburn

[GoBlueHens83]

Probably South Carolina

Yeah.... Right...

More like Tulane.

Just like them you play in a stadium that hosts National Championships, but never got close to one.

[biobengal]

Maybe Idaho State is the Idaho of FCS?

Okay... but.... only one of those teams has a FCS/I-AA championship.

[TTUEagles]

This year, we are the Tennessee Tech of both the FBS and FCS. We're still better than MTSUx, those uneducated bastards.

[chattownmocs]

Bull****, you have never been that successful.

What have they done? They are a long time underachiever until recently.

[chattownmocs]

Yeah.... Right...

More like Tulane.

Just like them you play in a stadium that hosts National Championships, but never got close to one.

Some of you need to study up on the history of South Carolina football.

[superman7515]

For starters, NDSU isn't the Alabama of FCS. Alabama has been doing it at the Major College/University/1A/FBS level since the 1920's, NDSU is too new to get that title. Since 1AA has only been around since 1978, it has to be Georgia Southern.

Delaware = Florida State. Stays in the NC conversation, but it's been a while since they got it done, yet still getting by year after year on name recognition. Conference isn't what it used to be and a vocal section of the fanbase wants out for bigger and better things.
Delaware State = Louisiana-Monroe. Small school that sometimes has periods of varying success if the right coach happens to be there, but only one conference championship and never wins anything of significance while constantly being overshadowed by the other schools in the state.

[heath]

For starters, NDSU isn't the Alabama of FCS. Alabama has been doing it at the Major College/University/1A/FBS level since the 1920's, NDSU is too new to get that title. Since 1AA has only been around since 1978, it has to be Georgia Southern.

Delaware = Florida State. Stays in the NC conversation, but it's been a while since they got it done, yet still getting by year after year on name recognition. Conference isn't what it used to be and a vocal section of the fanbase wants out for bigger and better things.
Delaware State = Louisiana-Monroe. Small school that sometimes has periods of varying success if the right coach happens to be there, but only one conference championship and never wins anything of significance while constantly being overshadowed by the other schools in the state.
If Alabama=Georgia Southern, then NDSU=?
Delaware=Texas IMO

[superman7515]

If Alabama=Georgia Southern, then NDSU=?
Delaware=Texas IMO

If Boise State ever got a chance, that would be more realistic. New kid in town from up north who comes in and starts kicking azz, irritating the established schools from the east and south. However, since they aren't allowed to play for it all, there's not a great example. No new schools have won anything at the FBS level since Colorado and BYU.

[Saint3333]

Florida.

[woffordgrad94]

Wofford to me is really unlike any other school as far as football is concerned. Mike Ayers and the Terriers are one of a kind, staying very competitive against the odds. Someone said Vanderbilt and while we are the same type school as far as academics and being very small for are conference, I think we have had more recent success at our level than Vandy has as its. But if forced to pick a school, then yeah, Vandy.

[Grizalltheway]

Oregon, I guess? Lot's of close calls in the last decade, but no cigar.

[clenz]

Texas, Georgia, Oregon, Florida State, Clemson, really any school that's really good pretty much every year but manages to **** it up/not win the title

Georgia or Texas seem most comparable

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[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I think Lehigh has a little Michigan in them. Solid and steady but lacks the overall athleticism of other programs. Both are a little stuck in their ways for better or worse....

Lehigh football and Temple basketball are a lot a like imo. Excellent tradition, always in the mix but usually not quite good enough to compete for a title/Final 4....

[superman7515]

Texas, Georgia, Oregon, Florida State, Clemson, really any school that's really good pretty much every year but manages to **** it up/not win the title

Georgia or Texas seem most comparable

Miami of Ohio. Both Midwest teams are #19 for most wins all time (in FBS & FCS), have a bunch of conference championships, make the postseason, and don't win the big one.

[darell1976]

The way our team is headed (no defense, average to below average attendance) just call us Eastern Michigan.

[Bohcat]

I was gonna say Clemson. Alot of high expectations year in and year out but still can't win enough of the big games when needed.

Also was thinking of the qb comparison mcghee: boyd making the team a little better then they really are.

[superman7515]

I think Lehigh has a little Michigan in them. Solid and steady but lacks the overall athleticism of other programs. Both are a little stuck in their ways for better or worse....

No. Lehigh has never won at anywhere near the level of Michigan. Lehigh is Pittsburgh. They have the APR scores, but despite consistent post-season appearances haven't won a title in since the 1970's. Keep hanging out in the conference of misfit toys with a belief that is better than it is, constantly believing rumors that schools that are successful in football are interested in joining (Richmond/William&Mary vs TCU/Boise State) and the conference will be a power again. An overinflated sense of worth and continues to assert that this year is the year they prove how good they are. Probably not as bad as everyone thinks, but they have that one annoying fan that constantly talks up his alma mater making people write diatribes on why they aren't Michigan (Mark May/LFN).

[Vitojr130]

This whole thread is wrong. Alabama is the NDSU of the FBS.

1/10 got me to post.

[DJKyR0]

If not Alabama, then Ohio State. Mostly because our fans are absolutely bat***** *****ing crazy.

[clenz]

Miami of Ohio. Both Midwest teams are #19 for most wins all time (in FBS & FCS), have a bunch of conference championships, make the postseason, and don't win the big one.
UNI is 12 in the FCS in all time wins...and 2 of the teams ahead of us were D2/D3 for many years after UNI left....FWIW




1

Yale (CT)

872

354

55

1281

0.70219

27602

13690

13912



2

Harvard (MA)

829

383

50

1262

0.67670

26040

14318

11722



3

Pennsylvania

820

474

42

1336

0.62949

26275

17333

8942



4

Princeton (NJ)

795

391

50

1236

0.66343

26087

14608

11479



5

Delaware

664

430

46

1140

0.60263

23967

17298

6669



6

Dartmouth (NH)

663

442

46

1151

0.59600

22827

15982

6845



7

Lehigh (PA)

662

571

45

1278

0.53560

24153

21675

2478



8

Lafayette (PA)

659

565

39

1263

0.53721

22980

20160

2820



9

North Dakota St.

642

365

34

1041

0.63305

23493

15579

7914



10

Dayton (OH)

633

354

26

1013

0.63771

22708

13703

9005



11

Cornell (NY)

629

484

34

1147

0.56321

22669

17316

5353



12

Northern Iowa

629

393

46

1068

0.61049

22547

16617

5930

[superman7515]

Nah.

http://a.espncdn.com/media/ncf/2004/1111/photo/g_tressel_hi.jpg

=

http://media.pennlive.com/pasports/photo/ohio-state-head-coach-jim-tressel-09ebcc636609b9b1_large.jpg

[superman7515]

UNI is 12 in the FCS in all time wins...and 2 of the teams ahead of us were D2/D3 for many years after UNI left....FWIW


Sorry, I was looking at it from win %.

[clenz]

Sorry, I was looking at it from win %.
Still doesn't equate for me.

If we are talking FCS to FBS reasoning and looking from a traditional power/who the program resembles in the FCS (to what they resemble in the FBS) it's not Miami of OH.

Miami of OH means we are middle of the road, in our best year at this point, FCS program with 1 winning season since 2005 and are a push over for the top teams in the division.


Not really a good comparison.

[skinny_uncle]

Ha-ha! I don't know. What FBS team has half their starting OL out with injuries, number one RB kicked off team and yet played the number 9 team in the nation to three points in double overtime? Go Salukis!

Whoops! forgot to mention Faulkner the starting QB got hurt on his non-throwing shoulder and will be out for SEMO game--jeesh!

Now if we can just turn into the Atlanta Braves. They will win their division despite have about every starter on the DL at some point this year.

[superman7515]

Still doesn't equate for me.

If we are talking FCS to FBS reasoning and looking from a traditional power/who the program resembles in the FCS (to what they resemble in the FBS) it's not Miami of OH.

Miami of OH means we are middle of the road, in our best year at this point, FCS program with 1 winning season since 2005 and are a push over for the top teams in the division.


Not really a good comparison.

Why so serious? Thought it was obvious all of mine were tongue-in-cheek as I took a shot at everyone, including Delaware (getting by on name recognition). As for whether UNI is middle of the road (37-7 & 39-27), I wouldn't know. xlolx


How about Texas Tech then? Consistently in the postseason, consistently not in the game they want to be playing in.

[Pard4Life]

We are the Chicago Cubs... does that count?

[clenz]

Why so serious? Thought it was obvious all of mine were tongue-in-cheek as I took a shot at everyone, including Delaware (getting by on name recognition). As for whether UNI is middle of the road (37-7 & 39-27), I wouldn't know. xlolx


How about Texas Tech then? Consistently in the postseason, consistently not in the game they want to be playing in.
Close, but with only 3 conference titles since 1956 (one in a 6-6 season).

SIU would be a good Texas Tech.

[Sader87]

We coulda been in the Big East....so I'll say Boston College and then drink a fifth of Scotch!!!

[BisonFan02]

We are the Chicago Cubs... does that count?

Minnesota....leather helmet legends

[Pard4Life]

We coulda been in the Big East....so I'll say Boston College and then drink a fifth of Scotch!!!

By extension, you coulda been in the ACC!

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Patriot League

Lehigh - Michigan State
Colgate -Iowa
Lafayette - Minnesota
Bucknell - Illinois
Georgetown - Rice
Fordham - Virginia
Holy Cross - Georgia Tech

[TheBoyWhoSeaWolf]

Stony Brook is Cal. Lots of nerds on campus studying science and engineering, lots of Dead shows in the 1970s, maybe someday our players will get to tackle the Stanford band.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfebpLfAt8g

[dudeitsaid]

This probably doesn't count because it's FCS, but being on the verge of an utter domination like nothing the FCS has ever seen, I'd have to say we are most like Chattanooga. :D

[Thundar]

UNI is 12 in the FCS in all time wins...and 2 of the teams ahead of us were D2/D3 for many years after UNI left....FWIW




1


Yale (CT)


872


354


55


1281


0.70219


27602


13690


13912




2


Harvard (MA)


829


383


50


1262


0.67670


26040


14318


11722




3


Pennsylvania


820


474


42


1336


0.62949


26275


17333


8942




4


Princeton (NJ)


795


391


50


1236


0.66343


26087


14608


11479




5


Delaware


664


430


46


1140


0.60263


23967


17298


6669




6


Dartmouth (NH)


663


442


46


1151


0.59600


22827


15982


6845




7


Lehigh (PA)


662


571


45


1278


0.53560


24153


21675


2478




8


Lafayette (PA)


659


565


39


1263


0.53721


22980


20160


2820




9


North Dakota St.


642


365


34


1041


0.63305


23493


15579


7914




10


Dayton (OH)


633


354


26


1013


0.63771


22708


13703


9005




11


Cornell (NY)


629


484


34


1147


0.56321


22669


17316


5353




12


Northern Iowa


629


393


46


1068


0.61049


22547


16617


5930





im being totally serious here. NDSU is #9 in what here? yes a couple drinks has helped me not figure this out

[thebootfitter]

im being totally serious here. NDSU is #9 in what here? yes a couple drinks has helped me not figure this out

All time wins (in all levels of play). Wins/Losses/Ties.

[Engineer86]

Idaho/NM State - Valpo, Georgetown, Presbyterian, Idaho State
Vandy - Wofford, Lehigh
Rice/Duke - all Ivy League schools, Georgetown may also go here.
Faded power still relevant - Montana, Villanova

While Vandy-Lehigh makes sense, I would say Stanford-Wofford is a better fit there

[Engineer86]

Texas, Georgia, Oregon, Florida State, Clemson, really any school that's really good pretty much every year but manages to **** it up/not win the title

Georgia or Texas seem most comparable

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Given that Texas won a title and has slipped pretty far lately, I see Georgia as a much better fit

[Engineer86]

We are the Chicago Cubs... does that count?

I never thought of Lehigh as the St Louis Cardinals, but OK xlolx

[PaladinFan]

I'd have to compare Furman to BYU.

Both programs trace their roots back to the 19th century and had periods of utter dominance in the 1980s. Both programs have been respectable if not overwhelming over the last 20 years, punctuated by several outstanding years. Both programs for a long time were basically were the only private colleges in the modern era of college football that were in the national conversation.

I realize the last comment is open to interpretation, but other private colleges like Miami are not under nearly the same academic and recruiting restrictions as BYU. Furman, too, was playing for national titles before Richmond and Villanova could tie their own shoes as a football program.

[superman7515]

Both programs for a long time were basically were the only private colleges in the modern era of college football that were in the national conversation.

I'm not a fan, but there's no way you can argue that BYU was the only private college in the modern era in the national conversation...

http://www.tennisoncampus.com/Assets/USTA+Tennis+on+Campus+2012+Redesign/Images/2011+Notre+Dame+Mascot.jpg

[grayghost06]

I liken JMU to Georgia. Top recruiting classes and great athletes year after year. Coaching that doesn't deliver relative to what they have to work with and falls short of title expectations. Reputation and tough conference schedule keeps them in top 10 for many weeks.

[clenz]

Given that Texas won a title and has slipped pretty far lately, I see Georgia as a much better fit

Agreed

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[Sammy94]

Texas A&M, we will put up some offensive numbers, the defense a little suspect at times and we can't beat the best.

[mgbison]

NDSU is the Alabama of the FCS due to the style of play and recent success. Same style of play, run the ball and play great defense. Georgia Southern doesn't fit that criteria.

[Engineer86]

NDSU is the Alabama of the FCS due to the style of play and recent success. Same style of play, run the ball and play great defense. Georgia Southern doesn't fit that criteria.

And the both are coming off of back to back championships. I can buy it.

[Bill]

Patriot League

Lehigh - Michigan State
Colgate -Iowa
Lafayette - Minnesota
Bucknell - Illinois
Georgetown - Rice
Fordham - Virginia
Holy Cross - Georgia Tech


TU/Owl
Interesting PL/Big Ten comparisons…but I have to disagree. Lehigh: Michigan State? Michigan State has tied for 2 Big Ten title since 1990…that’s it. Lehigh has won/shared 10 Patriot League titles since 1990….. We’re certainly no Ohio State, but I believe they have 9 titles in the same time period….

[superman7515]

NDSU is the Alabama of the FCS due to the style of play and recent success. Same style of play, run the ball and play great defense. Georgia Southern doesn't fit that criteria.

100% agree. If there is any team in the nation that doesn't fit the criteria of running the ball on offense, it's Georgia Southern.

[frozennorth]

UNI = wisconsin

SHSU = oregon

montana = penn state

UND = Idaho

[SpeedkingATL]

App State is similar to Florida. Both won National Championships in the recent past but have underperformed since the glory years and have lost games to teams they shouldn't have. Florida has lost bowl games to underdogs as App has in recent years lost home playoff games to underdogs. Both had legendary QB's that led them to Championships that have struggled to make it in the NFL.

[JMU2K_DukeDawg]

The optimist in me says JMU = LSU
*Similar Color Scheme
*Known for great defense
*Both won National Titles in the 2004 calendar year
*Among the largest stadiums at their respective levels

The realist in me says JMU = WVU
*Similar geography
*We modeled our offense after them (literally, our coaches worked with their coaches in the late 2000s to influence our offense)
*We can't seem to win the big games when they matter
*Peaked for a while, but did not last long

The pessimist in me says Akron
*Hell, we played them to a virtual tie. We are what we are.

[Catatonic]

Looking for a FBS school like ACU: What FBS school recently moved up from FCS and had a recent history of going to the FCS playoffs but was never never quite good enough to make it to the finals, has been successful placing guys in The League, and is known for all offense, little or no defense?

[Engineer86]

Looking for a FBS school like ACU: What FBS school recently moved up from FCS and had a recent history of going to the FCS playoffs but was never never quite good enough to make it to the finals, has been successful placing guys in The League, and is known for all offense, little or no defense?

Dont have a school for you, just recall Wilbert Montgomery!xthumbsupx

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

In recent history, Oregon.

[Catatonic]

Dont have a school for you, just recall Wilbert Montgomery!xthumbsupx

You must be an Eagles fan.

TGOD. (the good old days).

[RabidRabbit]

Think you may be trying to identify with Marshall. (ACU fan)

[RabidRabbit]

SDSU fits into the mold of Auburn, although our successes are more modest. But if NDSU = Alabama, SDSU = Auburn, the good, but not great long-term rival. Although the Iron Bowl brings out the intensity more of the Nickel game than the Dakota Marker.

[Catatonic]

Think you may be trying to identify with Marshall. (ACU fan)

Thanks.

We are Marshall.

Sounds catchy. Maybe we could make a movie or somethin' ?

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Thanks.

We are Marshall.

Sounds catchy. Maybe we could make a movie or somethin' ?

That's a movie you DON'T want to be associated with.

[Catatonic]

That's a movie you DON'T want to be associated with.

Very true. I am hopeful no team has to go through what they went through. Ever.

[RabidRabbit]

May you never suffer the devastating loss that Marshall (and Cal Poly) did to get the reason to make the movie.

[Fear the Bird]

Looking for a FBS school like ACU: What FBS school recently moved up from FCS and had a recent history of going to the FCS playoffs but was never never quite good enough to make it to the finals, has been successful placing guys in The League, and is known for all offense, little or no defense?

How about UMass? If you throw out the 1998 season

[PaladinFan]

In recent history, Oregon.

Athletic team built for speed that always seems to be the bridesmaid?

[Silenoz]

Montana = Ohio State

F#$k up your recent championship appearances (back when everyone called the CAA the SEC of FCS xlolx ), weather a storm that costs you your coach, and then come back strong

[dbackjon]

NAU = Illinois

Decent, not great. In a top conference. Lot of talent, should have more talent based on recruiting area. Frequently shows promise, only to disappoint.

[Squealofthepig]

Some of you need to study up on the history of South Carolina football.

South Carolina Bowls since 1984:
2012, 2011, 2010 (SEC championship game too), 2009, 2008, 2006, 2005, 2001, 2000, 1994, 1988, 1987, 1984

UTC appearances in FCS Postseason since 1984:
1984 (round 1 loss to Arkansas State).

If you were born on the last day UTC was in the playoffs (fall 1984), you would be 28 and almost 29.

Bottom line: Nooga is by no means the South Carolina of FCS. They're not even, as one AGSer suggested, Tulane, as Tulane has bowl appearances in 2002 and 1998 (and even beat UTC the one time they played in 1988).

[NoDak 4 Ever]

South Carolina Bowls since 1984:
2012, 2011, 2010 (SEC championship game too), 2009, 2008, 2006, 2005, 2001, 2000, 1994, 1988, 1987, 1984

UTC appearances in FCS Postseason since 1984:
1984 (round 1 loss to Arkansas State).




If you were born on the last day UTC was in the playoffs (fall 1984), you would be 28 and almost 29.

Bottom line: Nooga is by no means the South Carolina of FCS. They're not even, as one AGSer suggested, Tulane, as Tulane has bowl appearances in 2002 and 1998 (and even beat UTC the one time they played in 1988).

Yep, not even close to that successful. I would put them at a Mid level MAC team like Toledo or Akron.

[tourguide]

Western Carolina is Seton Hall

wait a couple years for that joke to set in


PS have fun with Mars Hill, hope your gate makes up for the exposure you could have had this week!!

[AmsterBison]

NDSU is kind of like Alabama right now except that NDSU doesn't out-talent people as much.

NDSU is more of a cross between Wisconsin and Nebraska.

[penguinpower]

YSU is like Clemson since Wolford has joined the staff. Looks good on paper,can always pull an upset, but always finds a way to lose a game that they shouldn't. IMOP.

Great Thread Topic

[Catatonic]

South Carolina Bowls since 1984:
2012, 2011, 2010 (SEC championship game too), 2009, 2008, 2006, 2005, 2001, 2000, 1994, 1988, 1987, 1984

UTC appearances in FCS Postseason since 1984:
1984 (round 1 loss to Arkansas State).

If you were born on the last day UTC was in the playoffs (fall 1984), you would be 28 and almost 29.

Bottom line: Nooga is by no means the South Carolina of FCS. They're not even, as one AGSer suggested, Tulane, as Tulane has bowl appearances in 2002 and 1998 (and even beat UTC the one time they played in 1988).

You forgot South Carolina's highest achievement: They lead the NCAA in Self declared preseason national championships. Cocks are fond of going onto other schools websites and crowing before the season starts. If the Mocs have obnoxious fans, they may well be the South Carolina of FCS.

[Catatonic]

NDSU is kind of like Alabama right now except that NDSU doesn't out-talent people as much.

NDSU is more of a cross between Wisconsin and Nebraska.

You mean NDSU looks good at times within their own conference and chokes when playing real competition from other conferences? Me thinks you do NDSU no favors by comparing them to Wisconsin and Nebraska.

[bluehenbillk]

If Alabama=Georgia Southern, then NDSU=?
Delaware=Texas IMO

Yep, that's where I was going - Delaware = Texas.

[AmsterBison]

You mean NDSU looks good at times within their own conference and chokes when playing real competition from other conferences? Me thinks you do NDSU no favors by comparing them to Wisconsin and Nebraska.

Hah, no, not that part.

[downbythebeach]

SFU = Eastern Michigan

[Bobcat in NC]

Montana State = Clemson

Exciting playmaker at QB (once DM gets back), early season dominance, drops one inexplicably, manages to flop at the end, last national championship over 25 years ago...

Yeah, and it sucks to have to look at your team through this lens. Great topic, though!

[HailSzczur]

Someone said PSU (without the scandal) for Nova, I guess I can see it. At first I said hell no, not wanting to be compared to the school I hate, but I guess it works.

We've got a good, old coach who's been there forever.
Have won the big one.
Have seemingly got close and been 1 penalty, 1 injury, 1 playoff snub away.
Had kind of a lull between successful periods in the late 90's and late 00's.
In the upper echelon of our conference, but not quite the top historically (OSU/UM...UDel/JMU etc)

I can see it I guess. Hard to find a FBS program to compare. No one really disappears for 4 years or has a good program despite the admins best wishes.

[Sam_Kats]

Oregon, no question.

Plus, this is my wife

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[Smitty]

I would like to say a few steps above UMass

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

TU/Owl
Interesting PL/Big Ten comparisons…but I have to disagree. Lehigh: Michigan State? Michigan State has tied for 2 Big Ten title since 1990…that’s it. Lehigh has won/shared 10 Patriot League titles since 1990….. We’re certainly no Ohio State, but I believe they have 9 titles in the same time period….

Big Ten wise I still think Michigan is the best comparison. Neither Lehigh or Michigan have many titles to fall back on, at least in the modern era. Both programs have been pretty consistent, Michigan truthfully more so. Finally, both have a bunch of conference titles but not many intersectional victories in the last 20 years.

Washington and UCLA might be good comparisons as well.

[OB55]

Oregon, no question.

Plus, this is my wife

18302

Tell Amanda hi for me, tell her it is from "left hook" she will know who you are talking about.

[OB55]

Kent State