AGS Poll Results - Week 2 2013

[AGSPoll]

Here are your results:



1
North Dakota State Bison
2123
83


2
Eastern Washington Eagles
2019
2


3
Towson Tigers
1891



4
Montana State Bobcats
1713



5
Sam Houston State Bearkats
1685



6
Northern Iowa Panthers
1680



7
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1521



8
Central Arkansas Bears
1418



9
Eastern Illinois Panthers
1340



10
McNeese State Cowboys
1246



11
Montana Grizzlies
1232



12
Richmond Spiders
1125



13
Cal Poly Mustangs
1122



14
New Hampshire Wildcats
861



15
Stony Brook Seawolves
855



16
Wofford Terriers
715



17
James Madison Dukes
691



18
Youngstown State Penguins
579



19
Illinois State Redbirds
564



20
Villanova Wildcats
471



21
Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
408



22
Fordham Rams
331



23
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
314



24
Lehigh Mountain Hawks
210



25
Samford Bulldogs
191




Most Significant Win:
Most Significant Loss:




Fordham Rams
Villanova Wildcats




26
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
181



27
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
176



28
Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
148



29
William & Mary Tribe
133



30
Maine Black Bears
132



31
Eastern Kentucky Colonels
78



32
North Carolina A&T Aggies
57



33
Southern Illinois Salukis
47



34
Liberty Flames
45



35
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
42



36
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
40



37
Northwestern State Demons
36



38
Chattanooga Mocs
34



39
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
25



40
Charleston Southern Buccaneers
18

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Few problems with the poll, maybe too many questionable "power conference" teams at the bottom.

But:

40 Charleston Southern Buccaneers 18

Really? I mean, really?

[crusader11]

Lehigh's ranked?

Fordham behind Villanova?

[URMite]

Few problems with the poll, maybe too many questionable "power conference" teams at the bottom.

But:

40 Charleston Southern Buccaneers 18

Really? I mean, really?

But do you think they weighted the win over Georgia State too heavily? xlolx

[Gil Dobie]

Still seeing things link Fordham beats Nova, but Nova is placed higher in the poll.

[BEAR]

Well, I guess UCA dropping after "giving" the game to FBS Colorado is understandable. Time to lay the wood to UT-Martin.

[RichH2]

Ok, dont see moving Rams over Nova based on 1 game.

[knucklehead]

Agree. You can only move teams so far based on other results whether they beat a team above them or not.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Lehigh's ranked?

Fordham behind Villanova?

All Lehigh does is win..lol...

Honestly, they need to show improvement to warrant it after next week

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Towson Tigers
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Richmond Spiders
7: Central Arkansas Bears
8: Cal Poly Mustangs
9: Eastern Illinois Panthers
10: McNeese State Cowboys
11: Fordham Rams
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
14: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: Liberty Flames
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Youngstown State Penguins
19: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
20: Stony Brook Seawolves
21: James Madison Dukes
22: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
23: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Wofford Terriers

[bjtheflamesfan]

I probably will get hammered finally this week but here is my poll:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Towson Tigers
6: Central Arkansas Bears
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Cal Poly Mustangs
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: Northern Iowa Panthers
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Eastern Illinois Panthers
14: Richmond Spiders
15: Wofford Terriers
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: James Madison Dukes
19: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
20: Youngstown State Penguins
21: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
22: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
23: McNeese State Cowboys
24: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
25: Southern Utah Thunderbirds

As with knucklehead, Im not one to put a ton on ranking teams ahead of teams they beat this early in the season (especially based on just the one game), Fordham right now is in my top 3 next in line to move into the rankings after their upset of the Wildcats this week. Northwestern State certainly is one Im considering as well

[darell1976]

My poll...rip away

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Towson Tigers
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: Eastern Illinois Panthers
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Central Arkansas Bears
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Cal Poly Mustangs
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Stony Brook Seawolves
15: Wofford Terriers
16: Richmond Spiders
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: James Madison Dukes
19: Illinois State Redbirds
20: Youngstown State Penguins
21: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
22: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
23: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
24: Fordham Rams
25: Southern Utah Thunderbirds

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

- I'm getting on the CCU and Liberty bandwagon. I think those two teams could be contenders to advance in the playoffs.
- Fordham is the real deal, they're definitely an at large team right now...
- The PL and SoCon have had a lot of ups and downs
- Lehigh needs to play better after a game one scare to warrant a ranking from me next week
-The McGhee Injury could really change the title picture
- The Southland looks REALLY improved top to bottom

[marenlee]

Am I wrong to think that Nova should not be int he top 25 any more? 0-2 Losing to a bad BC team and Fordham? To me they haven't proven anything to be in the top 25 let alone 10-15 which is where most people are putting them.

[IBleedYellow]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Towson Tigers
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Sam Houston State Bearkats
8: Central Arkansas Bears
9: Cal Poly Mustangs
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: Richmond Spiders
12: Eastern Illinois Panthers
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Wofford Terriers
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: James Madison Dukes
19: Illinois State Redbirds
20: Youngstown State Penguins
21: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
22: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
23: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
24: Fordham Rams
25: William & Mary Tribe

Notes: Nova probably isn't even top 20 material anymore, but I can't put Fordham in front of them just because of one game. Give it a few weeks to see how they start matching up against other teams. I feel pretty good about this poll this week for myself, though.

[bjtheflamesfan]

For me a few things about my ballot:

One thing is that I generally don't penalize for FBS losses because why penalize a team for a game they are expected to lose anyway. Another thing is that a lot of people I think still have Villanova pretty high even with their loss to Fordham because of preseason. The other thing is I generally don't give the most significant win and most significant loss to the same game which it seems once again is the case among the voters this week.

[LeeshaJo]

I generally don't give the most significant win and most significant loss to the same game which it seems once again is the case among the voters this week.

I agree but this week, I didn't think there was another game either way that deserved it.

[superman7515]

The other thing is I generally don't give the most significant win and most significant loss to the same game which it seems once again is the case among the voters this week.

+1 Always annoys me.

[dbackjon]

I hate the "well, I had them high in preseason so I can't drop them too far" reason - total BS.

[GoAgs72]

Am I wrong to think that Nova should not be int he top 25 any more? 0-2 Losing to a bad BC team and Fordham? To me they haven't proven anything to be in the top 25 let alone 10-15 which is where most people are putting them.

I dropped them out of my top 25 but they can easily get back in if they start winning something. I just don't think any 0-2 team deserves to stay in the rankings.

[Sammy94]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Towson Tigers
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Richmond Spiders
7: Central Arkansas Bears
8: Cal Poly Mustangs
9: Eastern Illinois Panthers
10: McNeese State Cowboys
11: Fordham Rams
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
14: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: Liberty Flames
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Youngstown State Penguins
19: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
20: Stony Brook Seawolves
21: James Madison Dukes
22: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
23: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Wofford Terriers

One loss to Johnny and SHSU not even in the top 25?

[Sammy94]

Here is mine.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Towson Tigers
6: Central Arkansas Bears
7: Northern Iowa Panthers
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Richmond Spiders
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: Cal Poly Mustangs
12: Eastern Illinois Panthers
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Stony Brook Seawolves
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Wofford Terriers
17: Youngstown State Penguins
18: James Madison Dukes
19: Villanova Wildcats
20: Illinois State Redbirds
21: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
22: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Fordham Rams
25: William & Mary Tribe

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

One loss to Johnny and SHSU not even in the top 25?

I'll get SHSU back in if they play well this week. Those paycheck blowouts just bug me. I did the same thing to Wofford last week. I jump teams around like crazy the first couple weeks. SHSU will likely be in my Top 15 at worst...

[Sitting Bull]

Here are your results:



1
North Dakota State Bison
2123
83


2
Eastern Washington Eagles
2019
2


3
Towson Tigers
1891



4
Montana State Bobcats
1713



5
Sam Houston State Bearkats
1685



6
Northern Iowa Panthers
1680



7
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1521



8
Central Arkansas Bears
1418



9
Eastern Illinois Panthers
1340



10
McNeese State Cowboys
1246



11
Montana Grizzlies
1232



12
Richmond Spiders
1125



13
Cal Poly Mustangs
1122



14
New Hampshire Wildcats
861



15
Stony Brook Seawolves
855



16
Wofford Terriers
715



17
James Madison Dukes
691



18
Youngstown State Penguins
579



19
Illinois State Redbirds
564



20
Villanova Wildcats
471



21
Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
408



22
Fordham Rams
331



23
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
314



24
Lehigh Mountain Hawks
210



25
Samford Bulldogs
191




Most Significant Win:
Most Significant Loss:




Fordham Rams
Villanova Wildcats



26
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
181



27
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
176



28
Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
148



29
William & Mary Tribe
133



30
Maine Black Bears
132



31
Eastern Kentucky Colonels
78



32
North Carolina A&T Aggies
57



33
Southern Illinois Salukis
47



34
Liberty Flames
45



35
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
42



36
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
40



37
Northwestern State Demons
36



38
Chattanooga Mocs
34



39
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
25



40
Charleston Southern Buccaneers
18





Just two teams east of the Mississippi in the top 10. Balance of power has really moved west.

[McNeese75]

One loss to Johnny and SHSU not even in the top 25?

xlolx Tough room

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

xlolx Tough room

I have no clue what to think of them. Are they serious national title contenders? Maybe back to win a game in the playoffs? Or miss them all together because McNeese St and UCA are better?

I should have had them in there somewhere. I believe I had them 9th or so last week.....

[Professor Chaos]

2013 Villanova = 2012 UNI?

Early season polls are highly subjective based on the voter's biased opinion. For me personally, I think Villanova is a better team than Fordham so I have them ranked higher. Upsets happen and credit is due to the underdog when they do happen but I rank teams based who I think the best teams are at this point in the season. Nova is still one of the 25 best teams in the country in my opinion based on their body of work last year and their returning contributors. However, if they lose to Stony Brook in a couple weeks they'll likely be out.

[Sam_Kats]

Some of these polls are comical.

[Nova09]

I do not have a poll and if I did definitely would not have Nova in it. BUT, there is a case to be made for those who do stick with Nova (besides they started high and a desire to not shake things up too much in one week, which is a lame excuse), and even a case for keeping them ahead of Fordham. As I said, I would not have Nova in, so here is my homer-free analysis:

Nova lost 2 games on the road. In both of those games, Nova held a lead in the 3rd quarter and the ball down 1 score in the 4th quarter. Very significantly, Nova lost the turnover -3 in both games. The first loss came to FBS BC, and Nova game them a better game than Wake did. Now no one is calling BC and Wake world-beaters, but last I checked they still play in the ACC. Fordham is not a bad loss either. Obviously one you want to win, one you would expect preseason top 10 to win, but then again I said preseason Nova is no top 10 team. I knew there would be bumps for this still young team, just hoped Fordham wouldn't be one of them, but let's not forget: winning on the road is hard. Nova could still be a very good team and compete for the CAA championship.

As for keeping Nova ahead of Fordham, I mean absolutely no disrespect to Fordham, but that result is absolutely not repeatable. Quite frankly, I'm very impressed with the defense because I knew we'd give up some points and with the short fields we gave Fordham 27 points should be celebrated. The 5 fumbles are unacceptable, but losing all 5 is just ridiculous. Add the Fordham fumbles they recovered, and that distribution is absurdly outside "normal" circumstance. Robertson needs better decision making and to be more crisp with his passes, but we moved the ball just fine. It's perfectly reasonable to think Nova wins 8-9 out of 10 against Fordham, and all it really takes is 5-6 to justify ranking Nova ahead (depending on your polling philosophy).

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Some of these polls are comical.

Having early season polls are tough. I honestly had no idea where to rank SHSU, Montana, Wofford, UNH, Villanova, Fordham etc. I put more stock in my poll in week 6 than I do now. Well duh, lol...

[BlueHenSinfonian]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Towson Tigers
5: Eastern Illinois Panthers
6: McNeese State Cowboys
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Fordham Rams
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
12: Richmond Spiders
13: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Sam Houston State Bearkats
16: Youngstown State Penguins
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
18: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: Wofford Terriers
21: James Madison Dukes
22: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
23: William & Mary Tribe
24: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
25: Nicholls State Colonels

I fully believe that Villanova, UNH, and a few other teams will make their way back into my poll in the coming weeks, but I made a decision to to rank anyone without a win. I also ranked according to quality of wins thus far, so it's pretty much a 'this season only' poll. It'll likely shake up quite a bit in the coming weeks, but it's fun to see who's taking off early vs who might've stumbled out of the gate, and will be interested to watch how many of the early leaders can hold onto their positions.

[BEAR]

Been on this site since 2005. Here's my first posting of my second poll. Hack away!

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Towson Tigers
6: Central Arkansas Bears
7: Northern Iowa Panthers
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Cal Poly Mustangs
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: McNeese State Cowboys
12: Eastern Illinois Panthers
13: Richmond Spiders
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Stony Brook Seawolves
16: James Madison Dukes
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Wofford Terriers
19: Illinois State Redbirds
20: Youngstown State Penguins
21: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
24: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
25: Eastern Kentucky Colonels

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Towson Tigers
6: Central Arkansas Bears
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Illinois State Redbirds
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Cal Poly Mustangs
11: McNeese State Cowboys
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Samford Bulldogs
14: Stony Brook Seawolves
15: Chattanooga Mocs
16: Richmond Spiders
17: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
18: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
19: Montana Grizzlies
20: Youngstown State Penguins
21: Eastern Illinois Panthers
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
24: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
25: Liberty Flames

My comments

1. I won't apologize for having 3 Socon teams in my ballot. The SoCon for sure doesn't look better than the CAA, MVFC, and Big Sky but all this stuff about the OVC and Big South overtaking the SoCon seems foolish. Week 1 wasn't good at all but a lower rung SoCon team almost beat a top-tier Big South, UTC looks like a top 25 with a beatdown of Georgia State (I will bet that Jax State doesn't beat them like that), and Samford is very respectable against an SEC team.

2. People are too premature on Montana. App. State lost to a MEAC team.

3. McNeese is too high, and I think having them ranked higher than UCA at this point is a joke.

[RabidRabbit]

Rabid votes

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Towson Tigers
5: McNeese State Cowboys
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Eastern Illinois Panthers
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: James Madison Dukes
12: Sam Houston State Bearkats
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Samford Bulldogs
15: Richmond Spiders
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: William & Mary Tribe
18: Fordham Rams
19: New Hampshire Wildcats
20: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
21: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: Pennsylvania Quakers
24: Youngstown State Penguins
25: Cal Poly Mustangs

Hopefully there are no 0-2 teams on this list. Montana may be too high based on their one W, but I couldn't see dropping them since they were idle. Try not to move idle teams too much. I try to not punish FCS teams that lose tight games to FBS teams. Blow outs, there better be a good reason for the blow-out. Likewise, teams from the MEAC, SWAC, Patriot, and especially Pioneer, need to demonstrate that they can play with the FBS schools, or get a W or 3 from top teams in the CAA, MVFC, BSC.

[Gil Dobie]

I hate the "well, I had them high in preseason so I can't drop them too far" reason - total BS.

It's early in the season, big moves are expected. I moved Fordham 2-0, ahead of Nova 0-2, because this early in the season, head-to-head means a lot.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

One more comment, I think it's interesting that people play up GSU and App. State's scholarship advantage like it's some huge deal but UTC gets no credit for destroying Georgia State who (1) has been recruiting over the FCS limit for 2 seasons and (2) has a coach that most FCS fans should respect. It will be interesting to see if people drop Wofford if they lose to GSU.

[MSUBobcat]

- I'm getting on the CCU and Liberty bandwagon. I think those two teams could be contenders to advance in the playoffs.
- Fordham is the real deal, they're definitely an at large team right now...
- The PL and SoCon have had a lot of ups and downs
- Lehigh needs to play better after a game one scare to warrant a ranking from me next week
-The McGhee Injury could really change the title picture
- The Southland looks REALLY improved top to bottom

As I read through this poll, I couldn't help but wonder how far MSU would have fallen in people's poll had they known about McGhee's separated shoulder and likely to miss at least 4 games (3 FCS).

[Red & Black]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Towson Tigers
6: Central Arkansas Bears
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Illinois State Redbirds
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Cal Poly Mustangs
11: McNeese State Cowboys
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Samford Bulldogs
14: Stony Brook Seawolves
15: Chattanooga Mocs
16: Richmond Spiders
17: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
18: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
19: Montana Grizzlies
20: Youngstown State Penguins
21: Eastern Illinois Panthers
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
24: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
25: Liberty Flames

My comments

1. I won't apologize for having 3 Socon teams in my ballot. The SoCon for sure doesn't look better than the CAA, MVFC, and Big Sky but all this stuff about the OVC and Big South overtaking the SoCon seems foolish. Week 1 wasn't good at all but a lower rung SoCon team almost beat a top-tier Big South, UTC looks like a top 25 with a beatdown of Georgia State (I will bet that Jax State doesn't beat them like that), and Samford is very respectable against an SEC team.

2. People are too premature on Montana. App. State lost to a MEAC team.

3. McNeese is too high, and I think having them ranked higher than UCA at this point is a joke.

Maybe an oversight, but you think Liberty is better than EWU? I'd think knocking off an AP top 25 would land you somewhere in the top 25 in FCS.


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[Twentysix]

1: North Dakota State Bison 2-0
2: Eastern Washington 2-0
3: Northern Iowa 2-0
4: Towson 2-0
5: South Dakota State 2-0
6: Montana State 1-1
7: Eastern Illinois 2-0
8: McNeese State 2-0
9: Sam Houston State 1-1
10: Richmond 1-1
11: Youngstown State 2-0
12: Central Arkansas 1-1
13: Samford 1-1
14: William and Mary 1-1
15: Montana 1-0
16: Stony Brook 1-0
17: Southern Utah 2-0
18: Maine 2-0
19: Costal Carolina 2-0
20: South East Louisiana 1-1
21: Southern Illinois 0-2
22: James Madison University 1-1
23: Fordam 2-0
24: Liberty 1-1
25: Illinois State 0-1

My poll is always the best poll, every week ;)

[McNeese75]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Towson Tigers
6: Central Arkansas Bears
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Illinois State Redbirds
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Cal Poly Mustangs
11: McNeese State Cowboys
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Samford Bulldogs
14: Stony Brook Seawolves
15: Chattanooga Mocs
16: Richmond Spiders
17: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
18: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
19: Montana Grizzlies
20: Youngstown State Penguins
21: Eastern Illinois Panthers
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
24: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
25: Liberty Flames

My comments

1. I won't apologize for having 3 Socon teams in my ballot. The SoCon for sure doesn't look better than the CAA, MVFC, and Big Sky but all this stuff about the OVC and Big South overtaking the SoCon seems foolish. Week 1 wasn't good at all but a lower rung SoCon team almost beat a top-tier Big South, UTC looks like a top 25 with a beatdown of Georgia State (I will bet that Jax State doesn't beat them like that), and Samford is very respectable against an SEC team.

2. People are too premature on Montana. App. State lost to a MEAC team.

3. McNeese is too high, and I think having them ranked higher than UCA at this point is a joke.

xconfusedx You have McNeese 11th, AGS has them 10th and they are too high? And they are NOT higher than UCA on AGS or your poll. What are you referring to?

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Maybe an oversight, but you think Liberty is better than EWU? I'd think knocking off an AP top 25 would land you somewhere in the top 25 in FCS.


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F***, how the hell did I leave out EWU. xsmhx

[Twentysix]

What exactly is it about Cal Poly that everyone likes? The not so great beat down they put on San Diego or getting blown out by Fresno until the end of the game.

They earned their way out of my poll for now.

[Squealofthepig]

As I read through this poll, I couldn't help but wonder how far MSU would have fallen in people's poll had they known about McGhee's separated shoulder and likely to miss at least 4 games (3 FCS).

That's a fair question - for me, so long as he's back on time I won't ding the Cats (I have them at 4 in my poll, and don't think I would've ranked them lower had I known about DM before submitting my vote).

The good thing for the Cats is that they will play down next, hosting Colorado Mesa, giving sophomore Jake Bleskin some much needed reps in his first start; games then at SFA and at North Dakota could be more problematic.

[MSUBobcat]

That's a fair question - for me, so long as he's back on time I won't ding the Cats (I have them at 4 in my poll, and don't think I would've ranked them lower had I known about DM before submitting my vote).

The good thing for the Cats is that they will play down next, hosting Colorado Mesa, giving sophomore Jake Bleskin some much needed reps in his first start; games then at SFA and at North Dakota could be more problematic.

Agree that the Mesa game couldn't have come at a better time. I also have some confidence in the UND game, as their run defense has been exposed as a serious deficiency again this year, which should help take the pressure off Bleskin to have to shoulder so much of the load.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Agree that the Mesa game couldn't have come at a better time. I also have some confidence in the UND game, as their run defense has been exposed as a serious deficiency again this year, which should help take the pressure off Bleskin to have to shoulder so much of the load.


UND is the only team that could give MSU trouble without McGhee imo. SFA seems to be really struggling this year. A road game there might not be nearly as daunting as it looked a couple weeks ago.

This COULD be a tiny blessing in disguise.

[BEAR]

Does anyone know if Incarnate Word counts as a Division I win?
signed,
So close in Colorado
xlolx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

F***, how the hell did I leave out EWU. xsmhx

Wasn't it Montana State last week? You apparently have something against the BSC this year. xlolx

[RabidRabbit]

If one were to base this STRICTLY ON ACCOMPLISHMENTS TO DATE, in this season, Eastern Ill has to be #1, as they have beaten a FBS (soundly I might add), and beat a quality SIU team. The best of the rest have a FBS win, and either a "lesser FCS", or lower division win. SDSU has no business being any higher than about 8th win 1 good FCS win (UND) and a "lesser FCS".

With that said, is there any reason to not be voting either NDSU or EWU or UNI #1 with their BCS wins over likely Jan 1st or later type bowl teams?

Early in the season is always the toughest polling because each pollster is going to use somewhat different criteria in making their selection. That's also part of the fun of being one of those pollster fans. To get to be good at this, need to be able to look at more than your home team or conference, and develop a better understanding of the FCS landscape, and know more about it.

Enjoy these 3 months and savor the opportunities to be talking trash, and also demonstrate your knowledge here at the best FCS poll site.

[msupokes1]

3. McNeese is too high, and I think having them ranked higher than UCA at this point is a joke.

Not to sure what you are referring to here but McNeese was 7-4 last year. They had a 1 point loss to Southeastern and a 1 point loss to Central Arkansas. I don't think it is to far fetched to think that a 7-4 team with close losses could improve to the next year to be a top 10 team. I am not going to sit here and say that McNeese is better than anyone in the Southland Conference, time will tell, but I do think that McNeese's play could warrant them being ranked ahead of Central Arkansas at this point. For the record, I had Sam Houston and Central Arkansas ahead of McNeese in my poll.

[MSUBobcat]

UND is the only team that could give MSU trouble without McGhee imo. SFA seems to be really struggling this year. A road game there might not be nearly as daunting as it looked a couple weeks ago.

This COULD be a tiny blessing in disguise.

I don't know what to think about SFA. Losing to TT was expected, but the Weber game confused me. Did BBQ rebound that quickly after a horrid year or is SFA just that bad? I'm probably most worried about NAU, though having only a 35-0 loss to Arizona to base it on, I don't know how they are this year. Just too early in the year to know much about the teams. Could win every game while McGhee is out, or lose every one. Like people have said about doing this poll, with such a small body of work, it's really a crap shoot about how good or bad a team is at this point.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Wasn't it Montana State last week? You apparently have something against the BSC this year. xlolx

Yes...going to have to start putting together these ballots more carefully. xnonono2x

[Fordham]

2013 Villanova = 2012 UNI?

Early season polls are highly subjective based on the voter's biased opinion. For me personally, I think Villanova is a better team than Fordham so I have them ranked higher. Upsets happen and credit is due to the underdog when they do happen but I rank teams based who I think the best teams are at this point in the season. Nova is still one of the 25 best teams in the country in my opinion based on their body of work last year and their returning contributors. However, if they lose to Stony Brook in a couple weeks they'll likely be out.

Fair enough, but did you watch the 'Nova - Fordham game? If not, what are you basing it on?

I know novafan spoke about the turnovers being outside of the normal range. However, if you watched the game I don't think there's a chance you would say that 'Nova was the better team. Maybe it was because they had so many injuries but the fact is that we absolutely dominated Time of Poss and also had two of the goofiest turnovers you've ever seen that were drive killers for us. One was a perfectly thrown flair pass that our guy bobbled several times and then in an almost handoff like fashion put right into the mitts of the 'Nova DB who was already running the other direction for an easy 46 yd pick six. None of the 'Nova tunovers were as goofy as that one or even as absurd as the one trick play we tried with a WR waaaay open downfield and our WR under-threw the ball by about 30yds into the hands of the 'Nova DB like he had money on 'Nova. Most of our turnovers were on some great sticks by our D, who played MUCH MUCH better than in the URI game. The time of possession battle was 38 minutes to 21:45 for 'Nova. That's a huge spread. Sign of a dominating performance imo.

Fwiw, I agree that a team shouldn't automatically jump ahead of a team they beat btw, particularly if one team was really highly ranked and the other unranked. It's just the way polls work and this will all work itself out as both Fordham and 'Nova either win or lose the rest of the way. My comments here have nothing to with arguing we should be higher, just those that didn't see the game but are assuming it was an anomaly or that 'Nova must not be very good this year because they lost to us.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Yes...going to have to start putting together these ballots more carefully. xnonono2x

Or just reviewing the email and checking against last weeks poll to see if anything glaring jumps out at ya. I've done it myself so it's not something that doesn't happen on occasion my friend.

[HensRock]

Mine.
I did place Villanova in there and yes, they are ahead of Fordham by 2 places. give 3.5 points for home field advantage, so that score tells me that Nova is a half point better than Fordham on a neutral field.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Towson Tigers
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: Richmond Spiders
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Central Arkansas Bears
10: Eastern Illinois Panthers
11: Cal Poly Mustangs
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Montana Grizzlies
16: Youngstown State Penguins
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: James Madison Dukes
19: Fordham Rams
20: William & Mary Tribe
21: Wofford Terriers
22: Maine Black Bears
23: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
24: North Carolina A&T Aggies
25: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks

[GoAgs72]

What exactly is it about Cal Poly that everyone likes? The not so great beat down they put on San Diego or getting blown out by Fresno until the end of the game.

They earned their way out of my poll for now.

I kept them in at 19 but they're going to need to show me something better soon. They were behind 41-3 until Fresno State put in their second string.

[Professor Chaos]

Fair enough, but did you watch the 'Nova - Fordham game? If not, what are you basing it on?

I know novafan spoke about the turnovers being outside of the normal range. However, if you watched the game I don't think there's a chance you would say that 'Nova was the better team. Maybe it was because they had so many injuries but the fact is that we absolutely dominated Time of Poss and also had two of the goofiest turnovers you've ever seen that were drive killers for us. One was a perfectly thrown flair pass that our guy bobbled several times and then in an almost handoff like fashion put right into the mitts of the 'Nova DB who was already running the other direction for an easy 46 yd pick six. None of the 'Nova tunovers were as goofy as that one or even as absurd as the one trick play we tried with a WR waaaay open downfield and our WR under-threw the ball by about 30yds into the hands of the 'Nova DB like he had money on 'Nova. Most of our turnovers were on some great sticks by our D, who played MUCH MUCH better than in the URI game. The time of possession battle was 38 minutes to 21:45 for 'Nova. That's a huge spread. Sign of a dominating performance imo.

Fwiw, I agree that a team shouldn't automatically jump ahead of a team they beat btw, particularly if one team was really highly ranked and the other unranked. It's just the way polls work and this will all work itself out as both Fordham and 'Nova either win or lose the rest of the way. My comments here have nothing to with arguing we should be higher, just those that didn't see the game but are assuming it was an anomaly or that 'Nova must not be very good this year because they lost to us.
No I didn't, it's my biased opinion based on last year and the returning contributors because I don't have enough evidence to go on this year yet. Needless to say, I could be wrong and Villanova may be worse than I thought and Fordham may be better. It'll shake itself out by midseason and I won't have any qualms about admitting I was wrong about both teams if Villanova continues to lose and Fordham continues to win and reflecting that in my ballots later this season.

[Twentysix]

I kept them in at 19 but they're going to need to show me something better soon. They were behind 41-3 until Fresno State put in their second string.

Look at the ballots posted, people have them as a top 10 team.

[F'N Hawks]

1: North Dakota State Bison 2-0
2: Eastern Washington 2-0
3: Northern Iowa 2-0
4: Towson 2-0
5: South Dakota State 2-0
6: Montana State 1-1
7: Eastern Illinois 2-0
8: McNeese State 2-0
9: Sam Houston State 1-1
10: Richmond 1-1
11: Youngstown State 2-0
12: Central Arkansas 1-1
13: Samford 1-1
14: William and Mary 1-1
15: Montana 1-0
16: Stony Brook 1-0
17: Southern Utah 2-0
18: Maine 2-0
19: Costal Carolina 2-0
20: South East Louisiana 1-1
21: Southern Illinois 0-2
22: James Madison University 1-1
23: Fordam 2-0
24: Liberty 1-1
25: Illinois State 0-1

My poll is always the best poll, every week ;)

And your still the only person in America with Southern Illinois in your Top 25. You really want the MVFC to have 6 every week, dont you? I think you like Lennon and the boys more than UND fans do. :D

[Sammy94]

I have no clue what to think of them. Are they serious national title contenders?

Nobody will until the EWU game, after that one I think everyone will see where they belong. All my worries were answered this weekend.

[Twentysix]

And your still the only person in America with Southern Illinois in your Top 25. You really want the MVFC to have 6 every week, dont you? I think you like Lennon and the boys more than UND fans do. :D

SIU lost in Double over time to my #7 team. That's a legit performance. They also stood "toe to toe" (hehe get the UND ref) with the Illini who manhandled Cincinnati last weekend.
Judging by your comment, you don't watch games. ;) Anyone who watches college football games would rank them.

[F'N Hawks]

SIU lost in Double over time to my #7 team. That's a legit performance. They also stood "toe to toe" (hehe get the UND ref) with the Illini who manhandled Cincinnati last weekend.
Judging by your comment, you don't watch games. ;) Anyone who watches college football games would rank them.

There is a hell of a lot of people that don't watch college football then. :)

[Twentysix]

There is a hell of a lot of people that don't watch college football then. :)

Indeed, I am around 30 FCS games atleast partially watched so far between week 1 and 2.

[Nickels]

This is the worst AGS poll I've ever seen.

[F'N Hawks]

Indeed, I am around 30 FCS games atleast partially watched so far between week 1 and 2.

That is pretty impressive, 15 games a week!

[Nickels]

1: North Dakota State Bison 2-0
2: Eastern Washington 2-0
3: Northern Iowa 2-0
4: Towson 2-0
5: South Dakota State 2-0
6: Montana State 1-1
7: Eastern Illinois 2-0
8: McNeese State 2-0
9: Sam Houston State 1-1
10: Richmond 1-1
11: Youngstown State 2-0
12: Central Arkansas 1-1
13: Samford 1-1
14: William and Mary 1-1
15: Montana 1-0
16: Stony Brook 1-0
17: Southern Utah 2-0
18: Maine 2-0
19: Costal Carolina 2-0
20: South East Louisiana 1-1
21: Southern Illinois 0-2
22: James Madison University 1-1
23: Fordam 2-0
24: Liberty 1-1
25: Illinois State 0-1

My poll is always the best poll, every week ;)

MSU every year yet people always rank them higher.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

This is the worst AGS poll I've ever seen.

I think it's extremely difficult to rank teams given the different scheduling philosophies coaches/AD's have. The amount of material to base judgements on right now is extremely small. Outside out my top 5 it was literally a guessing game.

[Twentysix]

We rape MSU every year yet people always rank them higher.

You mean twice? lol.

[Nickels]

Also NW over SELA is a joke. SELA should be right up with McNeese and NW shouldn't be in the top 60.

[Twentysix]

That is pretty impressive, 15 games a week!

More than 15 in week 1 less than 15 in week 2.

I give most of the credit to European gamblers and ESPN3. They make viewing FCS games possible.

[Nickels]

You mean twice? lol.
Yes twice, just like we got beat by the Bison. Do you think the Bison have proven they are better than the Kats the last two years? I do.

We not only beat the consistently over rated Cats two years in a row, we destroyed them. They also are out their star player.

What's new? the BSC suckfest continues like always.

[Twentysix]

Yes twice, just like we got beat by the Bison. Do you think the Bison have proven they are better than the Kats the last two years? I do.

We not only beat the consistently over rated Cats two years in a row, we destroyed them. They also are out their star player.

What's new? the BSC suckfest continues like always.

Lol man, history is less important in rankings. Last year was last year, two years ago doesn't really matter at all.

By your logic you will never be better than NDSU. ;)

[Nickels]

Lol man, history is less important in rankings. Last year was last year, two years ago doesn't really matter at all.

By your logic you will never be better than NDSU. ;)

History does play a large roll. How in the hell do you think we had a preseason poll? Why do you think NDSU started at # 1 if history doesn't matter? Yes history 3 years ago doesn't matter but when a large portion of the players and coaches are back, it clearly matters.

MSU couldn't even stay on the field with us the last two years and now they lost their best player. Tell me why they're all of a sudden better.

I can get over NW over SELA. That's just silly.

[msupokes1]

I can get over NW over SELA. That's just silly.

What is so silly about it? Northwestern 2-0. Both wins against Div 1 opponents. SELA 1-1. A win over a very weak Div. 1 and a reasonable loss against a BCS team. I don't think it is that silly that people may have NW ranked ahead of SELA. I had SELA ahead of NW but not by that much. I could certainly see flipping them.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Yes twice, just like we got beat by the Bison. Do you think the Bison have proven they are better than the Kats the last two years? I do.

We not only beat the consistently over rated Cats two years in a row, we destroyed them. They also are out their star player.

What's new? the BSC suckfest continues like always.

We've thrown away more SLC championship" trophy's" than you will ever have in your avatar Nickels so stop your damn whining. People think you had some big losses and what happened last year and the year prior have some relevance but not as much as what has gone on so far this year and it's not science anyway. If people had known of McGhee's injury I'd be willing to bet their subjective opinion of MSU might have been less than what it was.

[jmufan999]

i appreciate the voters not penalizing JMU too much for losing to Akron. i actually expected us to fall out of the Top 25 (i would have totally, totally disagreed with this). but i appreciate the fact that the voters recognized they're still an FBS team.

[clenz]

Fair enough, but did you watch the 'Nova - Fordham game? If not, what are you basing it on?

I know novafan spoke about the turnovers being outside of the normal range. However, if you watched the game I don't think there's a chance you would say that 'Nova was the better team. Maybe it was because they had so many injuries but the fact is that we absolutely dominated Time of Poss and also had two of the goofiest turnovers you've ever seen that were drive killers for us. One was a perfectly thrown flair pass that our guy bobbled several times and then in an almost handoff like fashion put right into the mitts of the 'Nova DB who was already running the other direction for an easy 46 yd pick six. None of the 'Nova tunovers were as goofy as that one or even as absurd as the one trick play we tried with a WR waaaay open downfield and our WR under-threw the ball by about 30yds into the hands of the 'Nova DB like he had money on 'Nova. Most of our turnovers were on some great sticks by our D, who played MUCH MUCH better than in the URI game. The time of possession battle was 38 minutes to 21:45 for 'Nova. That's a huge spread. Sign of a dominating performance imo.

Fwiw, I agree that a team shouldn't automatically jump ahead of a team they beat btw, particularly if one team was really highly ranked and the other unranked. It's just the way polls work and this will all work itself out as both Fordham and 'Nova either win or lose the rest of the way. My comments here have nothing to with arguing we should be higher, just those that didn't see the game but are assuming it was an anomaly or that 'Nova must not be very good this year because they lost to us.
The point about being this years 2012 UNI is valid.

UNI had the ball with 2 minutes left in Wisconsin territory going in for the winning score, but turned it over on downs. Lost by 5
UNI CRUSHED a D2 59-0
UNI played almost shot for shot with Iowa...the final score was 11 point loss but it was closer than that
UNI goes to, then #4, Youngstown State and loses by 7...had the ball as time expired at the YSU 6 on a rather controversial finish that I could explain in depth but would be 2 paragraphs long.
UNI hosts #1 NDSU. loses...and if not for a fumbled punt return that swung the game UNI could have been up by 13 at half and been a completely different game.
UNI goes to SIU and loses by 3 in OT.

UNI out-gained their opponents during those 5 games total. UNI had a legit chance/should to win every one, sans the NDSU game.

The point is close/"impressive" losses are still losses.

[Nickels]

What is so silly about it? Northwestern 2-0. Both wins against Div 1 opponents. SELA 1-1. A win over a very weak Div. 1 and a reasonable loss against a BCS team. I don't think it is that silly that people may have NW ranked ahead of SELA. I had SELA ahead of NW but not by that much. I could certainly see flipping them.

Really? A 6 point Missouri State & SWAC win and you have them over SELA? SELA beat SE Missouri St worse then Ole Miss did. They also played a great game against qaulity & ranked TCU. That alone should have them over NW.

Then if you consider how well Bennett has played and the coaching job Roberts has done so far. SELA has to be considered one of the front runners for the SLC, along with your Pokes, my Kats & UCA.

NW looks improved so far but they are still a notch below the top 4.


We've thrown away more SLC championship" trophy's" than you will ever have in your avatar Nickels so stop your damn whining. People think you had some big losses and what happened last year and the year prior have some relevance but not as much as what has gone on so far this year and it's not science anyway. If people had known of McGhee's injury I'd be willing to bet their subjective opinion of MSU might have been less than what it was.

xlolxChill out.

What big losses are you referring to?

If people didn't know about McGhee's injury, doesn't that validate my argument?

I still think the AGS poll, 95% of the time, is the best poll. Hell some of the other polls have voters that don't know the difference between UND and NDSU. Just making an argument.

[MTfan4life]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Towson Tigers
7: Northern Iowa Panthers
8: Central Arkansas Bears
9: Cal Poly Mustangs
10: Richmond Spiders
11: McNeese State Cowboys
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Eastern Illinois Panthers
14: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Fordham Rams
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: James Madison Dukes
20: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
21: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
22: Youngstown State Penguins
23: Illinois State Redbirds
24: Liberty Flames
25: Stony Brook Seawolves

[Houndawg]

The point about being this years 2012 UNI is valid.

UNI had the ball with 2 minutes left in Wisconsin territory going in for the winning score, but turned it over on downs. Lost by 5
UNI CRUSHED a D2 59-0
UNI played almost shot for shot with Iowa...the final score was 11 point loss but it was closer than that
UNI goes to, then #4, Youngstown State and loses by 7...had the ball as time expired at the YSU 6 on a rather controversial finish that I could explain in depth but would be 2 paragraphs long.
UNI hosts #1 NDSU. loses...and if not for a fumbled punt return that swung the game UNI could have been up by 13 at half and been a completely different game.
UNI goes to SIU and loses by 3 in OT.

UNI out-gained their opponents during those 5 games total. UNI had a legit chance/should to win every one, sans the NDSU game.

The point is close/"impressive" losses are still losses.

Right now SIU is looking like the UNI of 2012

[FargoBison]

Here is my poll...rip away fellow AGSer's.....

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Towson Tigers
5: McNeese State Cowboys
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Eastern Illinois Panthers
8: Central Arkansas Bears
9: Sam Houston State Bearkats
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Richmond Spiders
13: Youngstown State Penguins
14: Cal Poly Mustangs
15: James Madison Dukes
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: Fordham Rams
19: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
20: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
21: Wofford Terriers
22: William & Mary Tribe
23: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
24: Villanova Wildcats
25: Samford Bulldogs

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Really? A 6 point Missouri State & SWAC win and you have them over SELA? SELA beat SE Missouri St worse then Ole Miss did. They also played a great game against qaulity & ranked TCU. That alone should have them over NW.

Then if you consider how well Bennett has played and the coaching job Roberts has done so far. SELA has to be considered one of the front runners for the SLC, along with your Pokes, my Kats & UCA.

NW looks improved so far but they are still a notch below the top 4.



xlolxChill out.

What big losses are you referring to?

If people didn't know about McGhee's injury, doesn't that validate my argument?

I still think the AGS poll, 95% of the time, is the best poll. Hell some of the other polls have voters that don't know the difference between UND and NDSU. Just making an argument.

What do I have to chill out about? I was replying to your suckfest comment and your historical context comment so it's valid with what you brought to the table.

Personnel losses, should have been more clear there.

No, I think if people knew then they would have probably said "that's a big loss of personnel for the Cats and they should probably move down a bit considering it."

[MSUBobcat]

Really? A 6 point Missouri State & SWAC win and you have them over SELA? SELA beat SE Missouri St worse then Ole Miss did. They also played a great game against qaulity & ranked TCU. That alone should have them over NW.

Then if you consider how well Bennett has played and the coaching job Roberts has done so far. SELA has to be considered one of the front runners for the SLC, along with your Pokes, my Kats & UCA.

NW looks improved so far but they are still a notch below the top 4.



xlolxChill out.

What big losses are you referring to?

If people didn't know about McGhee's injury, doesn't that validate my argument?

I still think the AGS poll, 95% of the time, is the best poll. Hell some of the other polls have voters that don't know the difference between UND and NDSU. Just making an argument.

To answer your question (bolded), no. Fact of the matter is, the extent of the injury wasn't known until AFTER the poll closed. AG1 started a thread about it after 10pm on Sunday, but it was only rumors. In this thread, first Go Lehigh (post #12) mentioned the injury could affect the title picture, and then I asked in post #36 how much the injury would have affected the voting had voters known DM will be out til sometime in October. You can only use KNOWN information when putting your poll together, and that's what voters seem to have done (though I had MSU 7th even without knowing the full details... cautiously optimistic, I like to think. And a high rating just puts a target on your back).

[Skyhawk71]

I would like some enlightenment on Youngstown State, if they are loaded with talent and upper classmen then ok- but from NR to top 20 based on wins over Dayton and Morehead State makes no sense, again I'm not up on them so I'm just asking- after Michigan State they will then play Duquesne- so OOC SOS is not very good- now if they run through the Valley then I will be sold.........????

[Lehigh'98]

I would like some enlightenment on Youngstown State, if they are loaded with talent and upper classmen then ok- but from NR to top 20 based on wins over Dayton and Morehead State makes no sense, again I'm not up on them so I'm just asking- after Michigan State they will then play Duquesne- so OOC SOS is not very good- now if they run through the Valley then I will be sold.........????

They will finish no better than 4th or 5th in their conference. Unless they beat Sparty this week, I don't think they will see the top 25 after week 5 or so. Wouldn't be shocked if Duquesne gave them a run for their money.

[Go...gate]

Lehigh's ranked?

Fordham behind Villanova?

Ditto that.

[Walkon79]

To answer your question (bolded), no. Fact of the matter is, the extent of the injury wasn't known until AFTER the poll closed. AG1 started a thread about it after 10pm on Sunday, but it was only rumors. In this thread, first Go Lehigh (post #12) mentioned the injury could affect the title picture, and then I asked in post #36 how much the injury would have affected the voting had voters known DM will be out til sometime in October. You can only use KNOWN information when putting your poll together, and that's what voters seem to have done (though I had MSU 7th even without knowing the full details... cautiously optimistic, I like to think. And a high rating just puts a target on your back).

Besides that, there's plenty of time to move the Cats down or out of the poll IF they start LOSING. It's week 2. :)


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[Fordham]

The point about being this years 2012 UNI is valid.

UNI had the ball with 2 minutes left in Wisconsin territory going in for the winning score, but turned it over on downs. Lost by 5
UNI CRUSHED a D2 59-0
UNI played almost shot for shot with Iowa...the final score was 11 point loss but it was closer than that
UNI goes to, then #4, Youngstown State and loses by 7...had the ball as time expired at the YSU 6 on a rather controversial finish that I could explain in depth but would be 2 paragraphs long.
UNI hosts #1 NDSU. loses...and if not for a fumbled punt return that swung the game UNI could have been up by 13 at half and been a completely different game.
UNI goes to SIU and loses by 3 in OT.

UNI out-gained their opponents during those 5 games total. UNI had a legit chance/should to win every one, sans the NDSU game.

The point is close/"impressive" losses are still losses.

My point had nothing to do with the UNI comparison that was made. Just addressing the part where the poster wrote that he still thought 'Nova was the better team.

[msupokes1]

Really? A 6 point Missouri State & SWAC win and you have them over SELA? SELA beat SE Missouri St worse then Ole Miss did. They also played a great game against qaulity & ranked TCU. That alone should have them over NW.

Then if you consider how well Bennett has played and the coaching job Roberts has done so far. SELA has to be considered one of the front runners for the SLC, along with your Pokes, my Kats & UCA.

NW looks improved so far but they are still a notch below the top 4.

Reread my post. I said that I had SELA over NW but I do not think it is not unreasonable to have it flipped around. NW is 2-0 and SELA is 1-1. In the end, record is the number one deciding factor with voters.

[Twentysix]

They will finish no better than 4th or 5th in their conference. Unless they beat Sparty this week, I don't think they will see the top 25 after week 5 or so. Wouldn't be shocked if Duquesne gave them a run for their money.

Likely 4th could probably do as bad as 6th, SIU or ISU-r could unseat them though. SDSU UNI NDSU are top 5 in the country so being 4th in the valley is more than top 25 worthy lol.

[clenz]

Likely 4th could probably do as bad as 6th, SIU or ISU-r could unseat them though. SDSU UNI NDSU are top 5 in the country so being 4th in the valley is more than top 25 worthy lol.

We could have 6 legit top 15-20 teams this year

Sadly, once we get into conference we will beat the hell out of each other and the 5th place team will get left out for some **** bag 2nd or 3rd team from the OVC, MEAC, PL

quando omni flunkus moritati

[mainejeff]

Will you guys consider ranking Maine if they go 4-0 and beat Northwestern???xrolleyesx

[McNeese75]

Will you guys consider ranking Maine if they go 4-0 and beat Northwestern???xrolleyesx

Why???? :D (Of course, lol)

[Nickels]

Reread my post. I said that I had SELA over NW but I do not think it is not unreasonable to have it flipped around. NW is 2-0 and SELA is 1-1. In the end, record is the number one deciding factor with voters.
Silly IMO. If record is the main deciding factor then why wasn't Lehigh ranked higher last year? Do you have NW ranked higher than Montana State? By your logic, you should.

Obviously who play is just as important as who you beat.

[msupokes1]

Silly IMO. If record is the main deciding factor then why wasn't Lehigh ranked higher last year? Do you have NW ranked higher than Montana State? By your logic, you should.

Obviously who play is just as important as who you beat.

The point is neither of them have proven anything yet. NW has beat two bad teams. SELA has beat a bad team and lost to a good team. NW has the better win between the two schools by beating Missouri State. Arguments can go either way.

[Lehigh'98]

Likely 4th could probably do as bad as 6th, SIU or ISU-r could unseat them though. SDSU UNI NDSU are top 5 in the country so being 4th in the valley is more than top 25 worthy lol.

Anymore than 4 losses and I wouldn't have them in top 25 at end of season. That goes for almost any team. If you play 2 FBS games and lose, you should have to pay for it somehow. Also, YSU has opened with 2 cupcakes.

[fmrbearkat]

We've thrown away more SLC championship" trophy's" than you will ever have in your avatar Nickels so stop your damn whining. People think you had some big losses and what happened last year and the year prior have some relevance but not as much as what has gone on so far this year and it's not science anyway. If people had known of McGhee's injury I'd be willing to bet their subjective opinion of MSU might have been less than what it was.

Truth be told the only "Big" losses we had were losing Darnell Taylor and Dax but the guys stepping in have eased that some. As good as Bookie, Dax and Darnell were last year the big pass was always our achilles heel but it rarely caused a problem for us. Our 1st group of OL is legit. Don't know how much depth we really have this year yet but this 1st group is as good as last years that gave up the fewest in FCS at only 5. Not only according to what I have seen but what Frits said to me personally Saturday before the game.

The Kats played a HELL of a game against A&M. A great defensive performance this year will be holding them to under 30 points. I honestly don't see a single team in the country that will hold them under 30 this year. As much as i dislike Manziel's personality/character I have absolutely never seen a QB like that. The fluidity in which he runs appears effortless and he put so many perfect balls in the hands of those WR's. You can hate a person all you want but fact is that kid can flat ball!! Definately more impressed with him this year than even last. Every single position group they have on offense is top 5 or so in the country and the OL and WR's are probably the best in the country. Defensively they are good enough so the offense can win it. If they get past Bama which i believe they will i don't see them losing a game with the only other possible loss to LSU. With the schedule it is very possible they will be playing for the BCS.

When it comes down to it we don't have alot to base our oppinion over. I know 98% of you only saw highlights of our PPV game and the ones ESPN showed were JM related. Same goes for most other games that have been played so far. Yes we saw alot of what NDSU did vs KState and what EWU did vs ORSt and we would have even if they were not been televised because of the significance of the teams they beat. That is reflected in most having them 1-2. Fact is all we really have on most other games are a final score and some stats. That doesn't tell you too much about a team this far into the season because of the countless other unknowns. A poll in week two is almost as meaningless as a preseason poll. Good for conversations and hype but in reality we don't know too much yet. Come week 5 or so is when we start seeing some apples to apples.

[URMite]

Will you guys consider ranking Maine if they go 4-0 and beat Northwestern???xrolleyesx

Certainly! No problem ranking them at 4-0. Not so sure where they will rank at 4-1 the next week. xblehx

[WileECoyote06]

Will you guys consider ranking Maine if they go 4-0 and beat Northwestern???xrolleyesx

Had em at 26 in my poll. Just log-jammed in that 20-25 range.

[Twentysix]

Will you guys consider ranking Maine if they go 4-0 and beat Northwestern???xrolleyesx

Maine is already ranked. If you beat Northwestern I will probably rank them in the top 5. That would be HUGE.

Northwestern should be ranked in the top FBS top 20 going into that game. If you go make sure to head out to that little hiking island Northwestern has it is absolutely amazing.

[Twentysix]

Anymore than 4 losses and I wouldn't have them in top 25 at end of season. That goes for almost any team. If you play 2 FBS games and lose, you should have to pay for it somehow. Also, YSU has opened with 2 cupcakes.

YSU only plays one FBS game... Michigan State. Oh wait, you mean NDSU right? In that case they play 2. :p

[VT Wildcat Fan53]

Am I wrong to think that Nova should not be int he top 25 any more? 0-2 Losing to a bad BC team and Fordham? To me they haven't proven anything to be in the top 25 let alone 10-15 which is where most people are putting them.

xthumbsupx

[NHwildEcat]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Towson Tigers
5: Eastern Illinois Panthers
6: McNeese State Cowboys
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Fordham Rams
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
12: Richmond Spiders
13: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Sam Houston State Bearkats
16: Youngstown State Penguins
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
18: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: Wofford Terriers
21: James Madison Dukes
22: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
23: William & Mary Tribe
24: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
25: Nicholls State Colonels

I fully believe that Villanova, UNH, and a few other teams will make their way back into my poll in the coming weeks, but I made a decision to to rank anyone without a win. I also ranked according to quality of wins thus far, so it's pretty much a 'this season only' poll. It'll likely shake up quite a bit in the coming weeks, but it's fun to see who's taking off early vs who might've stumbled out of the gate, and will be interested to watch how many of the early leaders can hold onto their positions.

I'm not sure how this poll was accepted.

[NHwildEcat]

I'm not sure how anyone submitting a poll can realistically not place UNH within the top 25 at all! Let alone the top 15. They haven't even played an FCS game yet but somehow there aren't one of the most talented teams within the CAA? They lost on a FG as time expired to a team they were playing up...that was the first time the whole game they even trailed. Sure they blew the game, but it's not like they lost to a D2 school.

I don't do the poll anymore because I don't have the time to fairly assess all of the programs in the nation. It appears most pollsters don't have this time either based upon the substandard results in this poll.

Maybe its time we do away with the AGS poll...it's not befitting the usual AGS brand of quality.

[MSUBobcat]

I'm not sure how anyone submitting a poll can realistically not place UNH within the top 25 at all! Let alone the top 15. They haven't even played an FCS game yet but somehow there aren't one of the most talented teams within the CAA? They lost on a FG as time expired to a team they were playing up...that was the first time the whole game they even trailed. Sure they blew the game, but it's not like they lost to a D2 school.

I don't do the poll anymore because I don't have the time to fairly assess all of the programs in the nation. It appears most pollsters don't have this time either based upon the substandard results in this poll.

Maybe its time we do away with the AGS poll...it's not befitting the usual AGS brand of quality.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cxNR9ML8k

It's week 2. And people make mistakes. Leaving UNH out of a poll is not as glaring an error as leaving EWU out of the poll (which was done this week).

[ursus arctos horribilis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cxNR9ML8k

It's week 2. And people make mistakes. Leaving UNH out of a poll is not as glaring an error as leaving EWU out of the poll (which was done this week).

The offense taken by some gives me a good chuckle though.

Oh jeez we should just end it all!

[fmrbearkat]

That was an oversight....the other moron intentionally kept a consensus to 5 team in SHSU off his poll! As much as I beleive we will beat EWU in a couple weeks I still think at this point they should be #2 and top 5 at the worst. Same goes with Montans State. I have no doubt we would win but at the worst they should be no lower than 7-8 right now. Reminds me of aggy fans that don't realize there is anything outside of the SEC. Clueless!

[fmrbearkat]

I understand if you think we aren't a top 5 team but anything outside top 10 and especially off the poll all together just shows you don't know **** about football. Might as well let my 4 year old vote for you!

[Mattymc727]

I like the polls. Its interesting to see how much knowledge other fanbases have about other teams.

I dont take offense to them either. We have playoffs, thats why the FCS is special. Polling matters to the FBS folk, not us.

I havent participated yet. I dont feel confident in my overall knowledge of the other conferences.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I like the polls. Its interesting to see how much knowledge other fanbases have about other teams.

I dont take offense to them either. We have playoffs, thats why the FCS is special. Polling matters to the FBS folk, not us.

I havent participated yet. I dont feel confident in my overall knowledge of the other conferences.

it really is the best way to become more knowledgeable. Take the guys that have the guts to hang their ass out in these threads and have people critique their ballots. You can be sure that they not only get some new things to think about with their own ballots but they are also helping every other voter and also people like yourself that do not vote by having the discussions. That is one of the real values of the early polls and the voting even if it doesn't have a thing to do with how the playoffs go and so forth.xthumbsupx

Great post cuz you hit on that in the first sentence.

[bjtheflamesfan]

I probably will get hammered finally this week but here is my poll:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Towson Tigers
6: Central Arkansas Bears
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Cal Poly Mustangs
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: Northern Iowa Panthers
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Eastern Illinois Panthers
14: Richmond Spiders
15: Wofford Terriers
16: Illinois State Redbirds
17: Stony Brook Seawolves
18: James Madison Dukes
19: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
20: Youngstown State Penguins
21: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
22: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
23: McNeese State Cowboys
24: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
25: Southern Utah Thunderbirds

As with knucklehead, Im not one to put a ton on ranking teams ahead of teams they beat this early in the season (especially based on just the one game), Fordham right now is in my top 3 next in line to move into the rankings after their upset of the Wildcats this week. Northwestern State certainly is one Im considering as well

Im surprised that people havent ripped my ballot this week yet...

[MSUBobcat]

Im surprised that people havent ripped my ballot this week yet...

Poly, Nova and Lehigh lil too high, McNeese too low, IMO. And Nova at 11 but Fordham not in at all? xchinscratchx

Happy now? xeyebrowxxlolx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Im surprised that people havent ripped my ballot this week yet...

Well maybe you are just a great example of someone who has put it out there and graduated to a higher level due to it. You haven't gotten nearly as much action the last year as you did the first couple. xlolx

[URMite]

Im surprised that people havent ripped my ballot this week yet...

Well...you have EWU, SHSU, & UNH...something that some others don't have...so I think you are safe.xlolx

[Tribal]

Im surprised that people havent ripped my ballot this week yet...

It sucks. You have a 0-2 team at #11. Lifetime pollster ban is in order and a hefty fine would send a clear message to others.

[ngineer]

I fail to see any way Villanova can be ranked #11 with an 0-2 record (reference bjflames poll)...and losing to a 'lowly' PL team. While they shouldn't be penalized for the BC loss, they are what their record says they are. They have plenty of time to prove otherwise, but there is no basis for them to be rewarded now.

[citdog]

I fail to see any way Villanova can be ranked #11 with an 0-2 record (reference bjflames poll)...and losing to a 'lowly' PL team. While they shouldn't be penalized for the BC loss, they are what their record says they are. They have plenty of time to prove otherwise, but there is no basis for them to be rewarded now.


I can see no reason why ANY pl team except Fordham should be ranked right now.

[bjtheflamesfan]

Its like I said before, I generally don't penalize for losses to FBS teams, because those are games that I-AA/FCS teams are expected to lose anyway (except against GSU, who REALLY should have taken their time and stuck around in FCS for a couple years, or heck even gone the D2 route while they got established, but whoa, take the money and run). I dropped them down due to a loss to a (at the time) unranked Fordham team, but as I said before, I also don't tend to drop teams behind teams they lose to this early in the season, especially based on a single game. Fordham looks like they are going to surprise some people and id love to see the Rams snag the PL autobid when the season is over, but its still very early. Theyll get a chance to right the ship in week 4 against Stony Brook (although to make some posters happy I may drop them out of the poll anyway) but the bye week comes at a good time for them

[Engineer86]

Its like I said before, I generally don't penalize for losses to FBS teams, because those are games that I-AA/FCS teams are expected to lose anyway (except against GSU, who REALLY should have taken their time and stuck around in FCS for a couple years, or heck even gone the D2 route while they got established, but whoa, take the money and run). I dropped them down due to a loss to a (at the time) unranked Fordham team, but as I said before, I also don't tend to drop teams behind teams they lose to this early in the season, especially based on a single game. Fordham looks like they are going to surprise some people and id love to see the Rams snag the PL autobid when the season is over, but its still very early. Theyll get a chance to right the ship in week 4 against Stony Brook (although to make some posters happy I may drop them out of the poll anyway) but the bye week comes at a good time for them

Fordham is not eligible for the PL auto bid because they have had scholarships for a few years while the other school have only one class of schollys

[clenz]

BJ, you know I'd be one of the first to do so if I thought you deserved it.


However, outside of UNI being the lowest of anyone who has posted (but only by a couple spots) there's nothing glaring to me about it.

quando omni flunkus moritati

[bjtheflamesfan]

Thanks for that clarification Engineer...future CAA member perhaps? I wouldnt be surprised if they were a player for an At-Large come week 12 or 13 knowing that

[BEAR]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Northern Iowa Panthers
4: Towson Tigers
5: Eastern Illinois Panthers
6: McNeese State Cowboys
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Fordham Rams
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
12: Richmond Spiders
13: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
14: Maine Black Bears
15: Sam Houston State Bearkats
16: Youngstown State Penguins
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
18: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: Wofford Terriers
21: James Madison Dukes
22: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
23: William & Mary Tribe
24: Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
25: Nicholls State Colonels



Um... I know the UCA Bears lost to FBS Colorado on a tipped pass in the fourth quarter, but to drop them out of the polls altogether? Nice. I'm just glad someone else left off EWU. Accident maybe? I thought for sure the Bears were at least a top 10 team. xlolx

[BlueHenSinfonian]

I'm not sure how anyone submitting a poll can realistically not place UNH within the top 25 at all! Let alone the top 15. They haven't even played an FCS game yet but somehow there aren't one of the most talented teams within the CAA? They lost on a FG as time expired to a team they were playing up...that was the first time the whole game they even trailed. Sure they blew the game, but it's not like they lost to a D2 school.

I don't do the poll anymore because I don't have the time to fairly assess all of the programs in the nation. It appears most pollsters don't have this time either based upon the substandard results in this poll.

Maybe its time we do away with the AGS poll...it's not befitting the usual AGS brand of quality.

I think UNH will most likely end up being ranked, possibly in the top 15, once the season really gets started. Every year there are a couple teams that seem to come out of nowhere and do big things unexpectedly though, so I'm trying to get an early read on that by voting almost entirely based on current season achievements. That also means that teams without a win aren't going to show up in the rankings. I think UNH is a better team than some of the teams I have ranked, but that's just guesswork until it's proven on the field.

My poll may change dramatically week to week, at least early on, and I don't consider that a bad thing. Once conference play starts and we really start to get a better picture of what's going on with each team this season I'm sure it will all calm down.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Um... I know the UCA Bears lost to FBS Colorado on a tipped pass in the fourth quarter, but to drop them out of the polls altogether? Nice. I'm just glad someone else left off EWU. Accident maybe? I thought for sure the Bears were at least a top 10 team. xlolx

I saw a similar issue to what I saw with UNH - yes, you played a FBS team strongly, but no division 1 wins (according what I've read UIW doesn't count as a Division 1 team until next year, right now they're a division II transitional).

I expect UCA to get some DI wins and start to move back up, and it's likely some of the teams I have ranked will start to fall off.

[superman7515]

I'll bite, since apparently there were only two of us who went this route...

1: Eastern Washington Eagles
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Towson Tigers
5: Sam Houston State Bearkats
6: Central Arkansas Bears
7: Northern Iowa Panthers
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: Cal Poly Mustangs
11: Eastern Illinois Panthers
12: Richmond Spiders
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: James Madison Dukes
16: Stony Brook Seawolves
17: Fordham Rams
18: Wofford Terriers
19: Illinois State Redbirds
20: Youngstown State Penguins
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
23: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
24: Liberty Flames
25: North Carolina A&T Aggies

Is NDSU the better team? Quite possibly. But Eastern Washington gets the nod because...
#25 Oregon State > Kansas State
Western Oregon = Ferris State

Other than that, should make most people happy. Sam Houston? Check. Central Arkansas? Check. New Hampshire? Check. Fordham higher than Villanova? Check. No Delaware since they haven't played anyone? Check. Two PL teams? Check. Lack of East Coast Bias in my top 10? Check. I don't have Samford or Northern Arizona though, and they did ultimately make the Top 25. UNA was honestly never in consideration for me. Too many teams have kept the FBS teams close (a la Liberty who got my #24 who lost by a TD to Kent State) and with surprising (NC A&T) and solid (Fordham) wins by other schools that weren't on my list early, I just didn't have room for them. Samford would have gotten more consideration, but I threw the Aggies a bone at #25 because let's face it, none of us is impressed with Georgia State, so although it is a win over a FBS school, the A&T win over AppState could realistically end up being the more impressive of the two.

[BisonFan02]

Is NDSU the better team? Quite possibly. But Eastern Washington gets the nod because...
#25 Oregon State > Kansas State
Western Oregon = Ferris State


Other than a pre-season ranking, are we certain that Oregon State is a better team than K State even at this point?

[mainejeff]

I think that it is absolutely ridiculous that 0-2 teams are being ranked and Maine at 2-0 with 2 dominating performances over Norfolk State and UMass are on the outside looking in. If Villanova had the same resume, they would be ranked in the Top 5. xrolleyesx

I no longer vote in this poll........but if I did, you would not see ANY 0-2 teams in my poll.xthumbsupx

[superman7515]

Other than a pre-season ranking, are we certain that Oregon State is a better team than K State even at this point?

Other than a preseason ranking, are we certain that (insert any two teams who have not played each other) are better? And even then, it's not always cut and dry unless they are going to start playing 7 game series'.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

That was an oversight....the other moron intentionally kept a consensus to 5 team in SHSU off his poll! As much as I beleive we will beat EWU in a couple weeks I still think at this point they should be #2 and top 5 at the worst. Same goes with Montans State. I have no doubt we would win but at the worst they should be no lower than 7-8 right now. Reminds me of aggy fans that don't realize there is anything outside of the SEC. Clueless!

I'm not a fan of early season polls. As I said earlier I SHOULD have ranked them but had no clue where to based on their first two games. I did the same thing with Wofford last week after a paycheck blowout. I do take the poll very seriously but I struggle the first couple of weeks because there's such a small sample size.

I do take pride in the fact that I pay attention to everyone. I really try to be as informed as possible...

[aceinthehole]

I think that it is absolutely ridiculous that 0-2 teams are being ranked and Maine at 2-0 with 2 dominating performances over Norfolk State and UMass are on the outside looking in. If Villanova had the same resume, they would be ranked in the Top 5. xrolleyesx

I no longer vote in this poll........but if I did, you would not see ANY 0-2 teams in my poll.xthumbsupx

MJ - I agree, I think Maine has a legit case here.

Other than pre-season rankings, what really puts 'Nova, Fordham, Lehigh, or SBU ahead of Maine at this point?

[Fear the Bird]

MJ - I agree, I think Maine has a legit case here.

Other than pre-season rankings, what really puts 'Nova, Fordham, Lehigh, or SBU ahead of Maine at this point?

Unfortunately you can't have your cake and eat it too...there are multiple schools of thought on early season rankings and who knows which is correct - the majority of people take prior season into account (what else do you have to go by until week 4-5?) and others like Supe above ONLY look at what you have done this year. Again, who knows which is correct, but I think the polls clearly show which school of thought is the dominant one.

I am actually okay with people who take past season into account, but I am completely agains the other dominant trend of "slotting." Just because you have Nova top 10 based on last year's season and the starters, doesn't mean you can "only drop them 10 spots for a field goal loss." I think come week 6-7, you can start slotting, but early on, the slots are irrelevant.

[da_Bison]

Other than a preseason ranking, are we certain that (insert any two teams who have not played each other) are better? And even then, it's not always cut and dry unless they are going to start playing 7 game series'.Yea, I guess the fact the we return pritty much our whole Team plus two AA in Colton Heagle and Levon Perry that were injured during last years playoffs doesn't justify a number 1 rankingxrolleyesx.. Two national titles under there belt does nothing for you? Went into KSU and were more physical, and better conditioned than a Big12 team in there stadium in hot humid conditions (heat index 105) . That's like ranking Ohio State above Alabama. Sorry, but to be the best you've gotta beat the best or the best has to slip up. Thats the way it is whether its us our any previous Champion. Now, does that mean I think we can't be beat, NO. But the past two seasons resume speaks for itself and should allow for the benefit of doubt.

[ScState87]

NoNeed to cry but SCSU gave CCU the 1st ballgame. I'm not sure if CCU should be ranked above #20. Give the Chants credit though for doing what they have to do to pull out close contests. Good luck to them the rest of the season. There will be trouble in Orangeburg if we lose Saturday at home to ALA A&M.

[rokamortis]

NoNeed to cry but SCSU gave CCU the 1st ballgame. I'm not sure if CCU should be ranked above #20. Give the Chants credit though for doing what they have to do to pull out close contests. Good luck to them the rest of the season. There will be trouble in Orangeburg if we lose Saturday at home to ALA A&M.

xbawlingx

[NHwildEcat]

I think UNH will most likely end up being ranked, possibly in the top 15, once the season really gets started. Every year there are a couple teams that seem to come out of nowhere and do big things unexpectedly though, so I'm trying to get an early read on that by voting almost entirely based on current season achievements. That also means that teams without a win aren't going to show up in the rankings. I think UNH is a better team than some of the teams I have ranked, but that's just guesswork until it's proven on the field.

My poll may change dramatically week to week, at least early on, and I don't consider that a bad thing. Once conference play starts and we really start to get a better picture of what's going on with each team this season I'm sure it will all calm down.

Your reason is good, I have no qualms with that and I don't mean to single out just your poll--it was just the one that was available. If you truly believe this is the 25 best teams at this point then I have no problems with that. I just disagree to an extreme on just the UNH aspect. I don't have the time or energy myself to do this so I thank you for providing the rest of us with something to debate.

Just curious, did you have UNH ranked after week 1 or the preseason poll?