Montana State - Possible QB Injury

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

If any of this is true this really sucks for DM he is a class guy and doesnt deserve to go out like this. McGhee has worked hard, got grades and made MSU into a better football team than they have been in 30 years. It would suck if the last play of an FBS game ended his career. Sad news if true.

http://www.bobcatnation.com/bobcatbb/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=31158

http://www.bobcatnation.com/node/484

[GoCats23]

Such horrible news, he needs to sit out next week no matter what.

Although I believe he could still use his medical redshirt, as it's usable as long as he hasn't participated in 30% of team competitions. Still it wouldn't be the same. We wont be the same team next year, with or without DeNarius.

[MSUBobcat]

If any of this is true this really sucks for DM he is a class guy and doesnt deserve to go out like this. McGhee has worked hard, got grades and made MSU into a better football team than they have been in 30 years. It would suck if the last play of an FBS game ended his career. Sad news if true.

http://www.bobcatnation.com/bobcatbb/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=31158

http://www.bobcatnation.com/node/484

First the screw job on a phantom PI call on a 2nd and 16 from their 13 yard line and now a rumored injury to DM.... Damn.

Thanks for sharing AG1, as I don't really go on bobcatnation. It's horrible news but good to find out sooner than later to start the grieving process. xsmhx

[Squealofthepig]

Well, crap. Even as a die-hard Griz fan I can safely say Denarius is one of the most exciting players I've seen in the game, and this really sucks for FCS in general.

[BisonBacker]

Well you guys got the paycheck from SMU you wanted anyway!

[BisonBacker]

And for the record yeah it sucks for anyone when a player on their team is injured.

[dystopiamembrane]

Sorry for the loss, Cat fans.

[Bisonator]

Hate to see guys get injured. Good luck to him.

[BisonBacker]

I saw this on the Bobcat board. Gotta give the poster credit he's taking the news in stride. This was damn funny.
This is all Montana State fans at work today.

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[Lehigh'98]

Well you guys got the paycheck from SMU you wanted anyway!


Let it go!! You will feel better. Sucks about DM, he is quite a talent.

[Professor Chaos]

That's a shame, you never want to see a player of his caliber miss significant time. Hopefully it's a speedy recovery and he doesn't miss much.

[AmsterBison]

That sucks. Hope Denarius gets well soon.

For the record, this Bison fan was rooting hard for Montana State against SMU.

[darell1976]

That sucks, UND has MSU on the 28th...if he isn't back by then MSU could be in trouble if the backup doesn't step up. QB is one of the worst positions in football to lose to injury. UND lost their starting QB last year halfway through the first game (came back later in the season), we feel your pain. Best of luck for a speedy recovery.

[GoCats23]

Rumor is either torn labrum or rotator's cuff. Best case is sprained shoulder. He'll miss at least 2 weeks someone said. We'll find out for sure probably this afternoon.

[Bisonator]

That sucks, UND has MSU on the 28th...if he isn't back by then MSU could be in trouble if the backup doesn't step up. QB is one of the worst positions in football to lose to injury. UND lost their starting QB last year halfway through the first game (came back later in the season), we feel your pain. Best of luck for a speedy recovery.

Seriously? Like UND is a juggernaut?? xlolx

[dewey]

That's a shame, you never want to see a player of his caliber miss significant time. Hopefully it's a speedy recovery and he doesn't miss much.

Agreed! Hopefully it is not as bad as feared and he will be back soon. Good luck to DM in his recovery.

Dewey

[darell1976]

Seriously? Like UND is a juggernaut?? xlolx

Montana thought the same thing and look what happened without their star QB.

[BisonFan02]

Rumor is either torn labrum or rotator's cuff. Best case is sprained shoulder. He'll miss at least 2 weeks someone said. We'll find out for sure probably this afternoon.

Ouch....either way, that is a tough deal for Cat fans. Hope the verdict on the shoulder is a positive one for him.

[Bisonator]

Montana thought the same thing and look what happened without their star QB.

Yeah, they lost a close one. And what happened in Bozeman?

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Hopefully it doesn't sideline him for more than a couple weeks!! Hoping for the best!

[darell1976]

Yeah, they lost a close one. And what happened in Bozeman?

The UND-MSU in 19 days is in Grand Forks. Big difference.

[CrazyCat]

From MSU


"DeNarius McGhee’s string of 40 consecutive starts as Montana State’s quarterback will end Saturday. The senior from Euless, Tex., suffered a separated shoulder in Saturday’s game at SMU and is expected to return sometime in October. Sophomore Jake Bleskin from Great Falls is listed as the starting quarterback for this week’s game with Colorado Mesa."

[Bisonator]

The UND-MSU in 19 days is in Grand Forks. Big difference.

Better be about 45 point difference! :D

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Bleskin will be a solid back up and its a great game to start getting some reps as a starter. If MSU hands the ball off 60 times they win going away against Co Mesa

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[catbob]

Wellp, crap. Assuming he comes back for the last game in October, that means we have our backup QB, Jake Bleskin, starting for:



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3 road games against pretty good competition, with NAU at home.

Without McGhee we could easily drop all of those FCS games... the good news is that Bleskin will have a chance show what he is made of against a DII game at home next week. I won't worry yet unless our QB play is horrid against DII or heaven forbid we lose the game, in which case the season would be sunk.

Just stinks to have it happen to a class guy like McGhee for his senior season, on the last play of a game that was already decided. Argh!

[Sammy94]

Just stinks to have it happen to a class guy like McGhee for his senior season, on the last play of a game that was already decided. Argh!

Sorry to hear this. I was so glad Fritz have all our guys on the sideline for the fourth quarter against A&M.

[MSUBobcat]

The UND-MSU in 19 days is in Grand Forks. Big difference.

That sucks about the separated shoulder. Hopefully Bleskin settles in with a warm up game against Mesa.

As for the big difference because the game is in GF, the Bobcats rushed for 436 yards last year and SDSU just exposed this as a weakness again this year. By your own admission, SDSU shouldn't have let off the gas running the ball because it allowed UND back in. UND better shore up its run D quick, or every team will be using this as guide to beating UND. I think if Bleskin has even a pedestrian game with 180-200 yards passing and limits his mistakes (i.e. INTs), the running game will have another 200 between Kirk and Johnson (they racked up 160 against SMU) and MSU should have a great chance at winning.

[UNDBIZ]

Let's not turn this thread into another ndsu-UND pissing match. Hope McGee recovers quickly and fully. Injuries blow.

[darell1976]

That sucks about the separated shoulder. Hopefully Bleskin settles in with a warm up game against Mesa.

As for the big difference because the game is in GF, the Bobcats rushed for 436 yards last year and SDSU just exposed this as a weakness again this year. By your own admission, SDSU shouldn't have let off the gas running the ball because it allowed UND back in. UND better shore up its run D quick, or every team will be using this as guide to beating UND. I think if Bleskin has even a pedestrian game with 180-200 yards passing and limits his mistakes (i.e. INTs), the running game will have another 200 between Kirk and Johnson (they racked up 160 against SMU) and MSU should have a great chance at winning.

A new QB makes a lot of difference in play calling and if MSU finds itself down early...running the ball isn't going to help if you can't throw. Lets see how this youngster does against DI competition (SFA) to examine what he can do.

[MSUBobcat]

Wellp, crap. Assuming he comes back for the last game in October, that means we have our backup QB, Jake Bleskin, starting for:



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3 road games against pretty good competition, with NAU at home.

Without McGhee we could easily drop all of those FCS games... the good news is that Bleskin will have a chance show what he is made of against a DII game at home next week. I won't worry yet unless our QB play is horrid against DII or heaven forbid we lose the game, in which case the season would be sunk.

Just stinks to have it happen to a class guy like McGhee for his senior season, on the last play of a game that was already decided. Argh!

I'll reserve my predictions for the FCS games until we see how Bleskin does against a D-II team, but either BBQ isn't the team I expected them to be this year (better) or SFA isn't (worse), or maybe a little bit of both. As I said in above, with UND's porous run D, Bleskin may not be called upon to put the team on his shoulders in that game. NAU will definitely be tough but at least it's at home. With the small sample size so far this season, MSU could very well beat SFA, UND and NAU, or lose to all 3. Having the bye before the Weber game helps too. I separated my shoulder a couple years back playing drop in hockey and was able to go back to work on a drilling rig in 5 weeks, so it's possible DM makes it back by Oct. 19 (6 weeks to recover).

[BisonBacker]

Wellp, crap. Assuming he comes back for the last game in October, that means we have our backup QB, Jake Bleskin, starting for:



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3 road games against pretty good competition, with NAU at home.

Without McGhee we could easily drop all of those FCS games... the good news is that Bleskin will have a chance show what he is made of against a DII game at home next week. I won't worry yet unless our QB play is horrid against DII or heaven forbid we lose the game, in which case the season would be sunk.

Just stinks to have it happen to a class guy like McGhee for his senior season, on the last play of a game that was already decided. Argh!

If that was the case that he misses those games and you lost to many for any chance to make the playoffs would he or could he medical redshirt?

[MSUBobcat]

A new QB makes a lot of difference in play calling and if MSU finds itself down early...running the ball isn't going to help if you can't throw. Lets see how this youngster does against DI competition (SFA) to examine what he can do.

I agree it makes a difference in play calling which is why the shift from passing to running plays directly into UND's weakness, so Bleskin won't be called on to throw a ton. Even if they get down early, I doubt they abandon the run. Last year, MSU threw only 13 passes for 74 yards in the 2nd half (and only 1 for a 1 yard TD early the 4th), yet they scored 27 points. They were trying to run out the clock as the game was well in hand (42-10 just seconds into the 4th) and Ash doesn't like to run up the score, but UND couldn't even stop it when they knew it was coming. They ran for 191 yards and 2 TD on only 19 carries in the 4th. If you are busting big gains (10 ypc), you don't need to pass the ball, unless down big with little time left.

BTW, Bleskin is no slouch. He threw for 4,900 yards and 45 TDs in his junior and senior years, even though he battled injury his senior year. He was the Offensive MVP as a junior. Hopefully he can shake off the cobwebs in practice and against Colo-Mesa and be up to game speed for the FCS games.

[McNeese75]

If that was the case that he misses those games and you lost to many for any chance to make the playoffs would he or could he medical redshirt?

Based on this, it appears he would qualify for a medical hardship if it comes down to that.
http://www.athletics.vt.edu/compliance/competition/seasons.html

[MSUBobcat]

If that was the case that he misses those games and you lost to many for any chance to make the playoffs would he or could he medical redshirt?

I believe he could get a medical redshirt as he would play in only 16.67% of the games (2/12) and the athlete has to compete in less than 30% of the teams games. Would he apply for it? That I don't know. I would like him to get a full season, since he's close to breaking many of the BSC all time records, but maybe he wants to go out with the class he started with? Hoping we can still win 2 of 3 FCS games and he's back by the BBQ game.

[darell1976]

I agree it makes a difference in play calling which is why the shift from passing to running plays directly into UND's weakness, so Bleskin won't be called on to throw a ton. Even if they get down early, I doubt they abandon the run. Last year, MSU threw only 13 passes for 74 yards in the 2nd half (and only 1 for a 1 yard TD early the 4th), yet they scored 27 points. They were trying to run out the clock as the game was well in hand (42-10 just seconds into the 4th) and Ash doesn't like to run up the score, but UND couldn't even stop it when they knew it was coming. They ran for 191 yards and 2 TD on only 19 carries in the 4th. If you are busting big gains (10 ypc), you don't need to pass the ball, unless down big with little time left.

BTW, Bleskin is no slouch. He threw for 4,900 yards and 45 TDs in his junior and senior years, even though he battled injury his senior year. He was the Offensive MVP as a junior. Hopefully he can shake off the cobwebs in practice and against Colo-Mesa and be up to game speed for the FCS games.

Pure passer or running QB? Those are good numbers in high school. I am sure UND will try to prepare of him especially if he lights up the SFA defense.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I want McGhee to get a medical redshirt if possible but I thought he already used his redshirt? Is there something else that allows a guy 6 years instead of 5?

[BisonBacker]

The two are completely different animals. Redshirting and a medical redshirt are not the same thing.

[MSUBobcat]

I want McGhee to get a medical redshirt if possible but I thought he already used his redshirt? Is there something else that allows a guy 6 years instead of 5?

The roster on MSU's website doesn't show him as a redshirt like it does some other players, but he did redshirt in 2009 if you click on his bio. After looking into the rules over the "hardship waiver", I don't think he meets the criteria anyway. The criteria he would fail to meet would likely be that the injury isn't season-ending. I don't think the NCAA would consider a regular separated shoulder as a season-ending injury with 11 weeks remaining in the regular season and with him expecting to be ready in Oct. There would have to be other complications, IMO.

[UNDBIZ]

The two are completely different animals. Redshirting and a medical redshirt are not the same thing.

The ncaa is a bit more stingy when it comes to giving medical redshirts to players who have already redshirted though. They don't like to go over the 5 year limit.

[MSUBobcat]

The ncaa is a bit more stingy when it comes to giving medical redshirts to players who have already redshirted though. They don't like to go over the 5 year limit.

Especially when the injury is a "simple" separated shoulder. Unless it's more serious than that, I don't think the NCAA would think he should miss the last 11 weeks (1 bye week) due to that type of injury. I could very well be wrong though.

[dudeitsaid]

Hopefully he's out till after November 9th! ;) Seriously though, that is a bummer! Hopefully he has a miraculous recovery, and is back sooner than expected.