GREAT START FOR THE PFL!

[clenz]

They are clearly showing they deserve that autobid....


Delaware 51 Jacksonville 35
YSU 28 Dayton 10
No Dak 69 Valpo 10
Grand View 21 Drake 16

PFL 71
Opp 169


Wow.

Someone have the time/effort to dig up records for PFL schools against non-PFL schools since about 2000? It's something I want to do but don't have time right now.

[cmaxwellgsu]

I hold the same opinion about the Patriot League.....

[citdog]

Pioneer is a better conference.

[Sader87]

I see what you guys are trying to do.....actually Jax and Dayton seemed to play relatively tough tonight.

[Twentysix]

I see what you guys are trying to do.....actually Jax and Dayton seemed to play relatively tough tonight.

Seems more likely YSU is ****. Time will tell.

[superman7515]

Jacksonville wasn't as close as the score. They finished with just a hair over 200 yards of offense, unfortunately two Delaware fumbles gave them the ball inside the 20 and an interception was returned for a touchdown as well. They only had one sustained drive the entire game, the rest was the Hens shooting themselves in the foot over and over. Hopefully just working the kinks out or it is going to be a long season when they start playing real teams.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

They are clearly showing they deserve that autobid....


Delaware 51 Jacksonville 35
YSU 28 Dayton 10
No Dak 69 Valpo 10
Grand View 21 Drake 16

PFL 71
Opp 169


Wow.

Someone have the time/effort to dig up records for PFL schools against non-PFL schools since about 2000? It's something I want to do but don't have time right now.


Jacksonville looked good tonight for a non-scholly team. The final score was closer than the actual game was, they got a lot of their points off of dumbass mistakes we made, but their QB is good, and they have some solid receivers. I expect them to run the table on their PFL foes and earn the autobid this year. They're not a NC caliber team, but they could give a MEAC or Big South team a run for their money in the playoffs.

[Hammerhead]

Grand View is an NAIA school and they beat Drake.

[Sader87]

I love how snobby (e.g. "Drake lost to an NAIA team") some NDSU fans have become. Yes, you've had great success lately but it wasn't all that long ago you were seen by many much like you view Grand View today.

[HensRock]

That QB was NOT good. Our pass D made him look good.
We need to be worried. That will become clear when we play real teams (and they play real teams too)

Rushing Yards:
Delaware: 373
Jacksonville: -37

[NDSUstudent]

I love how snobby (e.g. "Drake lost to an NAIA team") some NDSU fans have become. Yes, you've had great success lately but it wasn't all that long ago you were seen by many much like you view Grand View today.

When was NDSU viewed as a NAIA caliber team?

[Sader87]

When was NDSU viewed as a NAIA caliber team?

NDSU was an NAIA school as late as 1960 and a D3/D2 team for the 1970's, 1980's, 1990's and much of the 2000's....I'm just sayin', let's not forget where you came from.

[Twentysix]

NDSU was an NAIA school as late as 1960 and a D3/D2 team for the 1970's, 1980's, 1990's and much of the 2000's....I'm just sayin', let's not forget where you came from.

Lol this guy is making **** up on the spot.

Was Arkansas State also NAIA when we beat them in 68 in a bowl game?

[Sader87]

Arkansas St was a "college division" team in 1968...as opposed to "university division" then. Today that would be equivalent to D2 or D3 status.

[Tod]

Grand View is an NAIA school and they beat Drake.

Isn't NAIA pretty close to D-II?

[Twentysix]

Isn't NAIA pretty close to D-II?

They offer scholarships if that's what you mean.

[NDSUstudent]

NDSU was an NAIA school as late as 1960 and a D3/D2 team for the 1970's, 1980's, 1990's and much of the 2000's....I'm just sayin', let's not forget where you came from.

Sorry my mistake. When you said "...it wasn't all that long ago you were seen by many much like you view Grand View today." I didn't know you meant 1960. Because to me, 1960 is a LONG time ago.

[Sader87]

All I'm saying is that NDSU is a great story, but you really don't have to go that far back to where they were thought of much like a lot of schools today at a lower level (NAIA, D2 etc) are seen at. I probably knew a NDSU existed when I was at Holy Cross in the 1980's but the football schools in that region then that we compared ourselves to were the Montanas, the Boise St's, the Idahos etc.

[Reign of Terrier]

I love how snobby (e.g. "Drake lost to an NAIA team") some NDSU fans have become. Yes, you've had great success lately but it wasn't all that long ago you were seen by many much like you view Grand View today.

Dude. Drake lost to an NAIA team....

[JSUBison]

I love how snobby (e.g. "Drake lost to an NAIA team") some NDSU fans have become. Yes, you've had great success lately but it wasn't all that long ago you were seen by many much like you view Grand View today.

That's not the point people are making. Nobody is running down Grand View for being NAIA, they are making fun of Drake for losing to a NAIA. If NDSU has lost to a lower division team, please let us know.

[BisonFan02]

All I'm saying is that NDSU is a great story, but you really don't have to go that far back to where they were thought of much like a lot of schools at a lower level (NAIA, D2 etc) were seen at. I probably knew a NDSU existed when I was at Holy Cross in the 1980's but the football schools in that region then that we compared ourselves to were the Montanas, the Boise St's, the Idahos etc.

These arguments drive me absolutely nuts...along the same level as certain fan bases pulling the "come back when you've actually done something" BS. Is Holy Cross historically a better football program since they played in an Orange Bowl in the 40s and by virtue of just existing trump NDSU and their accomplishments?

[JSUBison]

Clenz you missed one:

Pikeville (NAIA) 13
Morehead St 10

[BlueHenSinfonian]

These arguments drive me absolutely nuts...along the same level as certain fan bases pulling the "come back when you've actually done something" BS. Is Holy Cross historically a better football program since they played in an Orange Bowl in the 40s and by virtue of just existing trump NDSU and their accomplishments?

Yes, Holy Cross is historically a better program than NDSU, but NDSU has been a better program recently, and is the better program now. It doesn't diminish NDSU to respect the accomplishments of programs that were great before, nor does it diminish Holy Cross's accomplishments for them to respect NDSU for what they're doing now.

[Mr. C]

That QB was NOT good. Our pass D made him look good.
We need to be worried. That will become clear when we play real teams (and they play real teams too)

Rushing Yards:
Delaware: 373
Jacksonville: -37

If you don't think sophomore Kade Bell is a good passer and decision-maker, I truly doubt your football knowledge. I watched him warm up and was impressed even then and was also impressed watching him from the press box. I knew unless Delaware put pressure on him, the Blue Hen defense was in for a long night. He made plays with his arm and his feet all night and kept the Dolphins in the game until late. Had Jacksonville converted a two-point conversion instead of mistakingly kicking an extra point, it could have been a 44-36 game before the onside kick that the Dolphins recovered with several minutes left in the fourth quarter. If you call the two fumbles by Delaware screw-ups, how about the first quarter fumble Jacksonville lost on its opening drive when the Dolphins were on the verge of scoring and the fourth-quarter fumble on the reverse that led to the Jeff Williams recovery and TD return? Maybe Jacksonville thinks if those mistakes are not made, they might have been in position to make things interesting. "I made a mistake by calling that reverse," Bell said after the game. "We should have kept passing." Kerwin Bell is one of the all-time great college football QBs and knows as much football as anyone. He was glowing in his praise of Kade Bell, his son, after Kade's performance on Thursday night.

[Sader87]

I'm not saying Holy Cross is better than NDSU now or historically.... just the attitude of some NDSU fans who will pick on some teams or leagues for losing games they shouldn't, or not giving as many scholarships as NDSU, or draw as many fans as NDSU etc. etc.

It's all good and these boards exist to smack one another...but it does come across as "Johnny come lately"

[BisonFan02]

Yes, Holy Cross is historically a better program than NDSU, but NDSU has been a better program recently, and is the better program now. It doesn't diminish NDSU to respect the accomplishments of programs that were great before, nor does it diminish Holy Cross's accomplishments for them to respect NDSU for what they're doing now.

Humor me and tell me why and how they are. I would love to hear it.

[Mr. C]

One other note on Kade Bell. He passed for 1,401 yards with 12 TDs and five interceptions as a freshman starter before being injured against San Diego and missing almost four complete games. He had five games of 200 or more passing yards and one game over 300 yards. His dad compares him favorably to Josh McGregor, who a couple of years ago was one the better QBs in all of FCS.

[NDSUstudent]

I'm not saying Holy Cross is better than NDSU now or historically.... just the attitude of some NDSU fans who will pick on some teams or leagues for losing games they shouldn't, or not giving as many scholarships as NDSU, or draw as many fans as NDSU etc. etc.

It's all good and these boards exist to smack one another...but it does come across as "Johnny come lately"

You realize the OP isn't an NDSU fan, right? Or do UNI fans not count because they haven't won any NCs?

every fan base makes fun of other teams who get beat by a lower division.

[BisonFan02]

I love how snobby (e.g. "Drake lost to an NAIA team") some NDSU fans have become. Yes, you've had great success lately but it wasn't all that long ago you were seen by many much like you view Grand View today.

I guess fair enough...? I can appreciate the history Holy Cross has as a football program (along with many other Patriot league programs), but I'm at a loss when someone wants to "thumb their nose" at NDSU's history as being a "Johnny come lately"...does that make Holy Cross "yesterday's forgotten news"?



1964
Mineral Water Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_Water_Bowl)
North Dakota State
14
Western State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_State_University)
13
College Div.
Regional
Quarterfinal


1965
Pecan Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecan_Bowl)
North Dakota State
20
Grambling State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grambling_State_University)
7


1967
Pecan Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecan_Bowl)
Texas-Arlington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas-Arlington)
13
North Dakota State
0


1968
Pecan Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecan_Bowl)
North Dakota State
23
Arkansas State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas_State_Red_Wolves_football)
14


1969
Camellia Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camellia_Bowl)
North Dakota State
30
Montana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_Grizzlies_football)
3


1970
Camellia Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camellia_Bowl)
North Dakota State
31
Montana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_Grizzlies_football)
16


1976
Grantland Rice Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grantland_Rice_Bowl)
Montana State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_State_Bobcats_football)
10
North Dakota State
3
Div. II semifinal


1977
Grantland Rice Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grantland_Rice_Bowl)
Jacksonville State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacksonville_State_University)
31
North Dakota State
7


1981
Palm Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Bowl)
Texas State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Bobcats_football)
42
North Dakota State
13
Div. II final


1983
Palm Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Bowl)
North Dakota State
41
Central State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_State_University)
21


1984
Palm Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Bowl)
Troy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Trojans_football)
18
North Dakota State
17


1985
Palm Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Bowl)
North Dakota State
35
North Alabama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Alabama_Lions)
7



Just listing the bowls over and above the rest of the DII championships along with the two recent championships....

[Sader87]

I guess fair enough...? I can appreciate the history Holy Cross has as a football program (along with many other Patriot league programs), but I'm at a loss when someone wants to "thumb their nose" at NDSU's history as being a "Johnny come lately"...does that make Holy Cross "yesterday's forgotten news"?



1964

Mineral Water Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_Water_Bowl)

North Dakota State

14

Western State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_State_University)

13

College Div.
Regional
Quarterfinal



1965

Pecan Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecan_Bowl)

North Dakota State

20

Grambling State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grambling_State_University)

7



1967

Pecan Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecan_Bowl)

Texas-Arlington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas-Arlington)

13

North Dakota State




1968

Pecan Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecan_Bowl)

North Dakota State

23

Arkansas State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas_State_Red_Wolves_football)

14



1969

Camellia Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camellia_Bowl)

North Dakota State

30

Montana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_Grizzlies_football)

3



1970

Camellia Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camellia_Bowl)

North Dakota State

31

Montana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_Grizzlies_football)

16



1976

Grantland Rice Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grantland_Rice_Bowl)

Montana State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_State_Bobcats_football)

10

North Dakota State

3

Div. II semifinal



1977

Grantland Rice Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grantland_Rice_Bowl)

Jacksonville State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacksonville_State_University)

31

North Dakota State

7



1981

Palm Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Bowl)

Texas State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Bobcats_football)

42

North Dakota State

13

Div. II final



1983

Palm Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Bowl)

North Dakota State

41

Central State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_State_University)

21



1984

Palm Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Bowl)

Troy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Trojans_football)

18

North Dakota State

17



1985

Palm Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Bowl)

North Dakota State

35

North Alabama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Alabama_Lions)

7




Just listing the bowls over and above the rest of the DII championships along with the two recent championships....

Pretty much since we dropped scholarships in the 1980's....for the record, I'm envious of what NDSU has accomplished in the 2000's, who wouldn't be...but a little humility and a little historical sense of how far you've come in fairly short order wouldn't kill you guys either.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Humor me and tell me why and how they are. I would love to hear it.

They've been a Division 1 program their entire existence, including time as a Major University program (the predecessor to I-A) and time as an actual I-A school. They have many more wins against traditional FBS powerhouse teams than NDSU has.

[BisonFan02]

Pretty much since we dropped scholarships in the 1980's....for the record, I'm envious of what NDSU has accomplished in the 2000's, who wouldn't be...but a little humility and a little historical sense of how far you've come in fairly short order wouldn't kill you guys either.

I can't speak for the humility as I don't believe NDSU fans (as a whole anyway) act any different than many other fan bases on this forum. Regarding the bold (I'll try this again), this isn't NDSU's first rodeo so to speak when it comes to success in football. There is a reason we have been able to have success in short order at the FCS level, and it has a lot to do with the program's history. The pride and passion from NDSU's fan base didn't just show up over night, and I believe we have a very good "historical sense" on what we have managed to accomplish in a short time.

[BisonFan02]

They've been a Division 1 program their entire existence, including time as a Major University program (the predecessor to I-A) and time as an actual I-A school. They have many more wins against traditional FBS powerhouse teams than NDSU has.

So bow down to the Ivy and Patriot leagues? Minnesota? Got it...

[Sader87]

So bow down to the Ivy and Patriot leagues? Minnesota? Got it...

We'd prefer you genuflect actually.....

[BisonFan02]

We'd prefer you genuflect actually.....

xlolx

[BlueHenSinfonian]

So bow down to the Ivy and Patriot leagues? Minnesota? Got it...

Like I said, the top teams now deserve respect for what they've done, and the great teams from the past deserve acknowledgment for what they did in the past. Many of the PL and Ivy teams were big shots once upon a time.

[BisonFan02]

Like I said, the top teams now deserve respect for what they've done, and the great teams from the past deserve acknowledgment for what they did in the past. Many of the PL and Ivy teams were big shots once upon a time.

Believe me, I acknowledge and respect what PL and Ivy teams have done in the past (had a lot of fun joking with Lafayette folks that made the trip out to Fargo a couple years ago). However, do you consider DI tenure/"existing in big boy football" more important than having a history of winning/success? I have a tough time debating eras in any sport (baseball being one of my most passionate ones) because of how much gray area there is...no real right/wrong answer depending on the angle you lean towards.

[pitpen]

If you don't think sophomore Kade Bell is a good passer and decision-maker, I truly doubt your football knowledge. I watched him warm up and was impressed even then and was also impressed watching him from the press box. I knew unless Delaware put pressure on him, the Blue Hen defense was in for a long night. He made plays with his arm and his feet all night and kept the Dolphins in the game until late. Had Jacksonville converted a two-point conversion instead of mistakingly kicking an extra point, it could have been a 44-36 game before the onside kick that the Dolphins recovered with several minutes left in the fourth quarter. If you call the two fumbles by Delaware screw-ups, how about the first quarter fumble Jacksonville lost on its opening drive when the Dolphins were on the verge of scoring and the fourth-quarter fumble on the reverse that led to the Jeff Williams recovery and TD return? Maybe Jacksonville thinks if those mistakes are not made, they might have been in position to make things interesting. "I made a mistake by calling that reverse," Bell said after the game. "We should have kept passing." Kerwin Bell is one of the all-time great college football QBs and knows as much football as anyone. He was glowing in his praise of Kade Bell, his son, after Kade's performance on Thursday night.

This is the perfect example of "mr c" hating Delaware. You cling to each tiny artifact that may take away from UD's victory, yet ignore that UD's mistakes directly led to 21 points and 3 lost posessions.

[Mr. C]

This is the perfect example of "mr c" hating Delaware. You cling to each tiny artifact that may take away from UD's victory, yet ignore that UD's mistakes directly led to 21 points and 3 lost posessions.
How is this hating Delaware? I like Delaware and enjoyed another great game experience this evening (and all day in the shadow of the Tub). I just want to see credit given where credit is due. The dude said Kade Bell wasn't good, which is ridiculous.

[BisonBacker]

I'm not saying Holy Cross is better than NDSU now or historically.... just the attitude of some NDSU fans who will pick on some teams or leagues for losing games they shouldn't, or not giving as many scholarships as NDSU, or draw as many fans as NDSU etc. etc.

It's all good and these boards exist to smack one another...but it does come across as "Johnny come lately"

I don't know but to me having had success for the last 40-50 years doesn't constitute a "Johnny Come Lately" label but if it makes you feel better more power to you. I think what most fans NOT JUST NDSU are saying is that to warrant a playoff AQ you should at least be able to compete with your peers. When I say compete I'm not talking about what your team did in the 30's or 40's (taking nothing away from them for that) but in the here and now. Clearly the league isn't able to do that yet you want to have the AQ and demand respect for the current team. What fans are saying is you need to earn it. I guess we will get to see how competitive they are when the playoffs roll around and the sacrificial lamb from the PFL gets slaughtered by the first good team they play. Just based on one weeks results things are not lookin so hot for you sorry it is what it is.

[clenz]

I don't give a **** how long youve been dq, you should NEVER lose to NAIA schools...ever...period


Not only did Drake lose to a NAIA they got man handled. Grand View held drake to 1.2 yards rushing and out gained them by over 100 yards while putting up over 400 yards of offense.


The sad thing is Drake probably fared better than pretty much any others from the PFL would have

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[UNIFanSince1983]

To be fair Grand View does offer scholarships and Drake doesn't.

However, I don't think them losing to Grand View bodes real well when they come to the Dome next week.

[clenz]

I'll touch on the Holy Cross butt hurt when I get on a real computer instead of my phone

quando omni flunkus moritati

[dgtw]

Delaware may have made a bunch of mistakes but they still shouldn't have given up 35 points to Jacksonville. I may be going to the Jax St-Jax game next week so I'll see how they look.

[hebmskebm]

Starting the season by going 0-2 against NAIA schools, ouch. The Morehead/Pikeville game slipped under my radar because ESPN didn't have it listed last night. They added the box score today.

[darell1976]

When was NDSU viewed as a NAIA caliber team?

Have you been on the Kansas State fan boards. They see NDSU as a NAIA/DII team.

[Pard4Life]

Have you been on the Kansas State fan boards. They see NDSU as a NAIA/DII team.

xlolx A little humility goes a long way.

[superman7515]

Delaware may have made a bunch of mistakes but they still shouldn't have given up 35 points to Jacksonville. I may be going to the Jax St-Jax game next week so I'll see how they look.

People are getting confused here. No one is claiming that Delaware is good this year, just that Jax isn't any good either, haha.

[Pard4Life]

No doubt NDSU has a long history of success and winning. But you have to look within the context they achieved their wins. Mount Union has one of the most wins in college football history, but they play in D-III. They are often on the same lists as Michigan, Yale, Ohio State etc. Sure a win is a win, but is a win vs. Oberlin worth more than a win vs. Ohio State? What is the level of competition?

Ultimately, Holy Cross has been playing at a higher level (i.e. more nationally competitive teams) longer than NDSU.

I don't know if it is fair to say that NDSU's current success is a result of it's past success. Their D2 championships should be given as much credence today as Holy Cross' Orange Bowl game. I'm not sure that history helps much. I do not know NDSU intimately, but I would say their current success stems from aggressive recruiting, a great stadium atmosphere, being in a relatively advantageous region, and a commitment to winning.

[Gil Dobie]

Arkansas St was a "college division" team in 1968...as opposed to "university division" then. Today that would be equivalent to D2 or D3 status.

Today's College Division teams are primarily FCS and lower tier FBS.

[Gil Dobie]

Have you been on the Kansas State fan boards. They see NDSU as a NAIA/DII team.

When NDSU was NAIA, was when UND forged a huge advantage in the rivalry wins.

UND fought tooth and nail to keep NDSU from changing to University status and changing from NDAC to NDSU.

[dewey]

Have you been on the Kansas State fan boards. They see NDSU as a NAIA/DII team.

Boy isn't that the truth. It is funny I have an Iowa State and Colorado grads in my office and they both think their teams will completely destroy UNI and UCA. I just smiled and said UNI and UCA are a lot better than you think.

My point is that just because a team plays in a lower divison doesn't mean they are terrible at football.

Dewey

[Hammerhead]

NDSU was playing the NCAA College Division by 1965 when the Bison won the Pecan Bowl. The NAIA wasn't even formed until 1952 and NDSU was never in Division III.

There would be a meltdown at bisonville.com if we lose to Ferris State so I think it's only fair that we poke fun at other schools who lose to someone in a lower classification.





NDSU was an NAIA school as late as 1960 and a D3/D2 team for the 1970's, 1980's, 1990's and much of the 2000's....I'm just sayin', let's not forget where you came from.

[HensRock]

OK his decision making was good. I'll give you that. But his throwing motion seemed awkward and he didn't seem to have a lot of arm strength.
On the good pass plays he made, his receivers were WIDE OPEN. I did not see him in warm-ups. On the field, he looked decent but not special. By saying he was NOT good, I did not mean that he was bad.
What I meant was that I just think the success they had in the passing game last night was more of a testament to our deficiencies in the secondary than to his prowess at the QB position.
They also had some fast receivers who were getting good separation - alarmingly good separation which does not bode well for us.
I was VERY impressed by their TE (Robustelli?) in particular.

[Mr. C]

OK his decision making was good. I'll give you that. But his throwing motion seemed awkward and he didn't seem to have a lot of arm strength.
On the good pass plays he made, his receivers were WIDE OPEN. I did not see him in warm-ups. On the field, he looked decent but not special. By saying he was NOT good, I did not mean that he was bad.
What I meant was that I just think the success they had in the passing game last night was more of a testament to our deficiencies in the secondary than to his prowess at the QB position.
They also had some fast receivers who were getting good separation - alarmingly good separation which does not bode well for us.
I was VERY impressed by their TE (Robustelli?) in particular.
A lot of good college quarterbacks have weird throwing motions and his arm was strong enough. Some of the reason Bell had wide-open receivers was that he was checking into nice plays and his dad was making some nice calls from the bench. Jacksonville schemed very nicely.

[Mr. C]

People are getting confused here. No one is claiming that Delaware is good this year, just that Jax isn't any good either, haha.
Why not give a decent team like Jacksonville some respect? How many teams come into the Tub and roll over? The Dolphins kept it interesting well into the fourth quarter, no matter how they did it. It was a very entertaining game.

[URMite]

As for the Holy Cross vs NDSU debate, I suspect that Holy Cross has lost to fewer Non-Division I teams in the last forty years than NDSU. xlolx

[superman7515]

Why not give a decent team like Jacksonville some respect? How many teams come into the Tub and roll over? The Dolphins kept it interesting well into the fourth quarter, no matter how they did it. It was a very entertaining game.

Where did I say I didn't respect them? Go ahead. I'll wait.

I said both teams were bad last night. Has nothing to do with respect.

[Go...gate]

Fellows, this is an off-season argument. The games are under way. Best of luck to both schools in the upcoming season!

[Engineer86]

I hold the same opinion about the Patriot League.....

Troll

[Engineer86]

Pioneer is a better conference.

King of trolls

[Engineer86]

I'll touch on the Holy Cross butt hurt when I get on a real computer instead of my phone

quando omni flunkus moritati

Please do, tell us UNI's record against the Patriot League

[bonarae]

UNI against current PL football teams:
Lehigh - 0-1 (2010)

This is according to the media guide for 2013.

[clenz]

The MVFC is 4-3 against the Patriot

[skinny_uncle]

The MVFC is 4-3 against the Patriot

I assume that includes our last place team beating their league champ last year.
xeyebrowx

[Engineer86]

I assume that includes our last place team beating their league champ last year.
xeyebrowx
Yep 4-3, total domination overall, no need to hang your hat on one gamexsmiley_wix

[DetroitFlyer]

Wow, this has to be one of the lamest threads ever on AGS. Kinda makes all those PL threads seem interesting. JU and UD did not win this week but both proved they can hang with power conference teams. PFL bashing is beyond old. Just speaks to the general IQ of posters from power conferences that might have a general studies degree if they even graduated. I have always felt truly sorry for the many FBS wannabees here and this thread just confirms how mentally ill you are. Please get help from someone that graduated from a good school.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Please do, tell us UNI's record against the Patriot League


Yep 4-3, total domination overall, no need to hang your hat on one gamexsmiley_wix

Isn't that what you are doing in your first quote?

[Engineer86]

Isn't that what you are doing in your first quote?

Yea, since LU is only 2-1 against the MVC in the playoffs I don't have much to grasp onto either. Kinda of like 4-3, but better than 0-1, but there are plenty of guys on here that will tell how bad the PL is.

[PantherRob82]

Yea, since LU is only 2-1 against the MVC in the playoffs I don't have much to grasp onto either. Kinda of like 4-3, but better than 0-1, but there are plenty of guys on here that will tell how bad the PL is.

Whe did anyone say anything bad about the PL? Some HC fan decided to railroad the thread.

[Engineer86]

Whe did anyone say anything bad about the PL? Some HC fan decided to railroad the thread.

Start with the troll referenced on pg 6then on to the king of trolls above, with the original posts on pg 1 Then the reference from clenz on how he will address the HC butt hurt. Yes the trolls are out.

[clenz]

ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY PFL FOR MAKING CBS SPORTS FRONT PAGE NEWS EARLIER TODAY!

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP)- Derek Fulton threw for 291 yards and Brady Roland had 173 yards receiving as Grand View of the NAIA upset Drake of the FBS 21-16 Thursday night at Drake Stadium.
The Vikings are the first NAIA school since 1980 and sixth overall to defeat an FBS or Division I program.
Grand View grabbed momentum early when Fulton hit Roland for a 70-yard touchdown on the second play of the game.
Leading 21-10 late in the third quarter, Grand View held off a Drake fourth quarter rally that included a 24-yard touchdown pass from Andy Rice to Michael Hudson and a blocked field goal by the Bulldogs to keep the margin at five.
Drake had the ball with two minutes remaining but failed to convert on fourth down at midfield, giving the Vikings their first win in four tries over the Bulldogs.
Rice completed 26 of 50 attempts for 273 yards.

[clenz]

The "HC butt hurt" has more to do with thinking that a win over Michigan 70 years ago is more impressive than what NDSU is doing right now.

[MTfan4life]

It's funny how often ignorance reigns supreme on this site. And no, I'm not talking about the NDSU or Holy Cross pissing contest. Look at almost any other NCAA tournament. They give conference champions at least a chance to compete for that title. Yes, the SWAC almost always plays in that 16 seed play in game in the basketball tournament, but they still get that chance each year to play with the big guys. Giving the PFL an automatic bid is not hurting anyone outside of the people who just need something to complain about. The FCS has a tournament for all conferences with a chance to compete. That should be a good thing. I'd rather have that than some top 2 in the Sagarin/Massey championship game any day.

[Go...gate]

Wow, this has to be one of the lamest threads ever on AGS. Kinda makes all those PL threads seem interesting. JU and UD did not win this week but both proved they can hang with power conference teams. PFL bashing is beyond old. Just speaks to the general IQ of posters from power conferences that might have a general studies degree if they even graduated. I have always felt truly sorry for the many FBS wannabees here and this thread just confirms how mentally ill you are. Please get help from someone that graduated from a good school.

Welcome back, Flyer! Your posts and PFL advocacy have been missed.

[Twentysix]

ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY PFL FOR MAKING CBS SPORTS FRONT PAGE NEWS EARLIER TODAY!

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP)- Derek Fulton threw for 291 yards and Brady Roland had 173 yards receiving as Grand View of the NAIA upset Drake of the FBS 21-16 Thursday night at Drake Stadium.
The Vikings are the first NAIA school since 1980 and sixth overall to defeat an FBS or Division I program.
Grand View grabbed momentum early when Fulton hit Roland for a 70-yard touchdown on the second play of the game.
Leading 21-10 late in the third quarter, Grand View held off a Drake fourth quarter rally that included a 24-yard touchdown pass from Andy Rice to Michael Hudson and a blocked field goal by the Bulldogs to keep the margin at five.
Drake had the ball with two minutes remaining but failed to convert on fourth down at midfield, giving the Vikings their first win in four tries over the Bulldogs.
Rice completed 26 of 50 attempts for 273 yards.

That's gotta be wrong, isn't quincy NAIA? They beat ISU-b pretty regularly just a few years ago.

NvM I just caught the part about Drake being FBS. They are just idiots.

[cmaxwellgsu]

Start with the troll referenced on pg 6then on to the king of trolls above, with the original posts on pg 1 Then the reference from clenz on how he will address the HC butt hurt. Yes the trolls are out.


Wow, had no idea my opinion would get somebody so butt hurt. For what's it worth, your do nothing league has gone an impressive 1-3 this weekend. Only one team played up in competition.

[Engineer86]

Wow, had no idea my opinion would get somebody so butt hurt. For what's it worth, your do nothing league has gone an impressive 1-3 this weekend. Only one team played up in competition.

Trollin some more. Is this a early morning thing and a sunset thing. At a boy, go fetch dinner

[Go...gate]

Wow, had no idea my opinion would get somebody so butt hurt. For what's it worth, your do nothing league has gone an impressive 1-3 this weekend. Only one team played up in competition.

Yes, and that one team seems to be getting a lot of grief for stepping up.

[cmaxwellgsu]

Yes, and that one team seems to be getting a lot of grief for stepping up.

Y'all shouldn't get any grief. By the way, it was a respectable effort.

[citdog]

Start with the troll referenced on pg 6then on to the king of trolls above, with the original posts on pg 1 Then the reference from clenz on how he will address the HC butt hurt. Yes the trolls are out.

It ain't trollin' when it's TRUE.

[clenz]

It ain't trollin' when it's TRUE.

boom..

If I could rep on tapatalk I would

quando omni flunkus moritati

[OrangeAndBlack]

MERCER won! Don't forget about us, MU is Pioneer League this year only. 40-37 win over Reinhardt. Won with a FG with :03 on the clock. Attendance was over 12,000 in a 10,200 person stadium!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41I6TD0RPlo

[bonarae]

MERCER won! Don't forget about us, MU is Pioneer League this year only.

Most of us forgot about your status for this season (myself included). xlolx

But you salvaged this week for the PFL because most of your conference mates lost... even to lower division/non-association opponents. xsmhx

[caribbeanhen]

That QB was NOT good. Our pass D made him look good.
We need to be worried. That will become clear when we play real teams (and they play real teams too)

Rushing Yards:
Delaware: 373
Jacksonville: -37

HR, The QB had some quick feet and can hit the short passes, Kade Bell son of head coach Kerwin Bell of Florida. Sure he has limitations but can be a very effective QB in the Pioneer. Speaking of the Pioneer, I think Jacksonville could hold up in the MEAC but still the Delaware win didn't prove much

[caribbeanhen]

Boy isn't that the truth. It is funny I have an Iowa State and Colorado grads in my office and they both think their teams will completely destroy UNI and UCA. I just smiled and said UNI and UCA are a lot better than you think.

My point is that just because a team plays in a lower divison doesn't mean they are terrible at football.

Dewey

Dewey, I've been hearing these same comments for decades now, When I get back to the office after this great weekend of college football I will pump up my FCS progaganda campaign once more... lol

[caribbeanhen]

Why not give a decent team like Jacksonville some respect? How many teams come into the Tub and roll over? The Dolphins kept it interesting well into the fourth quarter, no matter how they did it. It was a very entertaining game.

Mr C, funny you speak of "respect" because Delaware never get's any from you

[Engineer86]

boom..

If I could rep on tapatalk I would

quando omni flunkus moritati


Ha, if you could rep a clown that agrees with you you would, 4-3?

[Ronin]

I agree an autobid? I still have reservations that they belong in the FCS.

[caribbeanhen]

I agree an autobid? I still have reservations that they belong in the FCS.

as long as Rhode Island is still in I got no problem with it

[UNIFanSince1983]

That's gotta be wrong, isn't quincy NAIA? They beat ISU-b pretty regularly just a few years ago.

NvM I just caught the part about Drake being FBS. They are just idiots.

It actually says FBS or DI.

And for the record Qunicy is NCAA DII and apparently have been since around 95.

[BigSouthFB]

MERCER won! Don't forget about us, MU is Pioneer League this year only. 40-37 win over Reinhardt. Won with a FG with :03 on the clock. Attendance was over 12,000 in a 10,200 person stadium!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41I6TD0RPlo
Check out highlights from mercer's opening weekend. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ReZxiL5ssMQ

[Twentysix]

It actually says FBS or DI.

And for the record Qunicy is NCAA DII and apparently have been since around 95.

You must have only read the part in red. Look right above it....


DES MOINES, Iowa (AP)- Derek Fulton threw for 291 yards and Brady Roland had 173 yards receiving as Grand View of the NAIA upset Drake of the FBS 21-16 Thursday night at Drake Stadium.

[BigSouthFB]

And to be fair, Being at the game and watching Reinhardt play, Some of these NAIA teams have Some serious FCS talent athletically. I know as a long time FCS fan and working in 3 FCS athletic departments we look down on NAIA as the red headed step child of college football but they have less recruiting restrictions and a lot of the schools (like reinhardt) have VERY lax admission standards. and after this weekend I think its more and more evident that the competition level is not as spread out as some at those FBS schools would like to think. More and more kids are choosing the likes of NDSU and EWU to compete for a national championship at our level than to compete for a Little Ceasers bowl title at other schools. as they say on any given Saturday... (See what i did there?)

[melloware13]

http://www.theharprestaurant.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/old-natchez-cheese-21.jpg

To go with all the whine in the thread.

[Go...gate]

Y'all shouldn't get any grief. By the way, it was a respectable effort.

Thanks! :)

[UNIFanSince1983]

You must have only read the part in red. Look right above it....

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You are correct. Wow! Article has a lot less credibility. Because let's be honest without giving scholarships the Pioneer is like glorified DIII. It is just an excuse for schools to have football, but still be considered DI in all other sports.

[bonarae]

Because let's be honest without giving scholarships the Pioneer is like glorified DIII. It is just an excuse for schools to have football, but still be considered DI in all other sports.

And for most schools, basketball or increased athletic presence was the reason why these schools moved up all the way to D-I.

[bojeta]

And for most schools, basketball or increased athletic presence was the reason why these schools moved up all the way to D-I.

Interesting.... Cal Poly's head coach, Tim Walsh, was just interviewed, and when the commentator asked him about playing a "non-scholarship team", Walsh laughed because his daughter went to University of San Diego. She was recruited for athletics, and he said "they have a way of getting the money to the atheletes".

[superman7515]

Well let's see what the folks in Macon think about Mercer in the PFL (from the Macon Telegraph)...


We all know this season is a dress rehearsal for next year, when Mercer will have scholarship players and will play in a real football conference. http://www.macon.com/2013/09/01/2639500/mercer-opener-just-felt-right.html