Best FCS team by position

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Here's my crack at this ... my opinions are biased based on the games I've watched as well as various preseason AA teams and other listings of top players.

Quarterback: Montana State
Running Back: South Dakota State
Wide Receivers: Appalachian State (easy choice)
Offensive Line: Georgia Southern

Defensive Line: Villanova
Linebackers: North Dakota State
Defensive Backs: North Dakota State (easy choice)

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Here's my crack at this ... my opinions are biased based on the games I've watched as well as various preseason AA teams and other listings of top players.

Quarterback: Montana State
Running Back: South Dakota State
Wide Receivers: Appalachian State (easy choice)
Offensive Line: Georgia Southern

Defensive Line: Villanova
Linebackers: North Dakota State
Defensive Backs: North Dakota State (easy choice)

Funny how most NDSU people would say that linebacker is the biggest question mark, mostly because of depth.

[Professor Chaos]

Here's my crack at this ... my opinions are biased based on the games I've watched as well as various preseason AA teams and other listings of top players.

Quarterback: Montana State
Running Back: South Dakota State
Wide Receivers: Appalachian State (easy choice)
Offensive Line: Georgia Southern

Defensive Line: Villanova
Linebackers: North Dakota State
Defensive Backs: North Dakota State (easy choice)
GSU may have a good offensive line but can you really consider them the best when they can't pass block at all? Sure, you can say in GSU's offense they don't have to but when you're comparing them with offensive lines all around the country who do pass block it's unfair to those O lines who do both well to only include run blocking in the criteria.

EDIT: And I'm assuming your defensive units are all the #2 units behind Chatty because we all know that Chatty's defense is "head and shoulders" above anyone else in the country to discussing that is moot.

[F'N Hawks]

Here's my crack at this ... my opinions are biased based on the games I've watched as well as various preseason AA teams and other listings of top players.

Quarterback: Montana State
Running Back: South Dakota State
Wide Receivers: Appalachian State (easy choice)
Offensive Line: Georgia Southern

Defensive Line: Villanova
Linebackers: North Dakota State
Defensive Backs: North Dakota State (easy choice)

...Ahemmm. I wouldn't say it's "easy". There are three guys up north that look pretty damn good. Whether the freshman QB can get it to them is another story.

[Sam_Kats]

I'd put our DL (and front 6...we run 4-2-5) up against any FCS team in the country this year. Not going to hear about the individual accolades for multiple reasons (2012 injuries, transfers, etc) but it's a unit returning 4 of 6 starters plus getting TCU transfer Tanner Brock.

Can't argue with the back-end of the NDSU defense though. VERY good football players.

[Grizalltheway]

Tough to beat Montana's OL, IMO. They're not only massive, but very athletic as well. When you rush for 400 yards in a game w/out an option offense, you know they're doing something right.

LT: Danny Kistler Jr., 6-8, 315
LG: Jordan Hines, Jr, 6-4, 291
C: Kjelby Oiland, Jr, 6-4, 290
RG: William Poehls, Sr, 6-8, 340
RT: Trevor Poole, Jr, 6-5, 290

[Grizalltheway]

Tough to beat Montana's OL, IMO. They're not only massive, but very athletic as well. When you rush for 400 yards in a game w/out an option offense, you know they're doing something right.

LT: Danny Kistler Jr., 6-8, 315
LG: Jordan Hines, Jr, 6-4, 291
C: Kjelby Oiland, Jr, 6-4, 290
RG: William Poehls, Sr, 6-8, 340
RT: Trevor Poole, Jr, 6-5, 290

I also think our D-line should at least be in the top 5 discussion.

[SFALMBAlum08]

Here's my crack at this ... my opinions are biased based on the games I've watched as well as various preseason AA teams and other listings of top players.

Quarterback: Montana State
Running Back: South Dakota State
Wide Receivers: Appalachian State (easy choice)
Offensive Line: Georgia Southern

Defensive Line: Villanova
Linebackers: North Dakota State
Defensive Backs: North Dakota State (easy choice)


Toss up between them and Sam Houston

[lionsrking2]

Toss up between them and Sam Houston

We played them both last year, and will see them again this fall ... they're both very good backs, but Zenner is better IMO. He hits the hole quicker, is stronger and has more open field speed.

[darell1976]

...Ahemmm. I wouldn't say it's "easy". There are three guys up north that look pretty damn good. Whether the freshman QB can get it to them is another story.

Since App St is FBS shouldn't it be North Dakota. Iif they are FCS (playoff eligible or not) App St is NOT an easy choice.

[PaladinFan]

GSU may have a good offensive line but can you really consider them the best when they can't pass block at all? Sure, you can say in GSU's offense they don't have to but when you're comparing them with offensive lines all around the country who do pass block it's unfair to those O lines who do both well to only include run blocking in the criteria.

EDIT: And I'm assuming your defensive units are all the #2 units behind Chatty because we all know that Chatty's defense is "head and shoulders" above anyone else in the country to discussing that is moot.

I've watched GSU play for a long time. Their offensive line is hard to evaluate. They, like the rest of their offense, fit into a system. They are very good at their system, but its hard to know how they would look in a traditional offense.

EDIT: let me say that GSU fans will generally argue their offense is "traditional." I suppose there is a valid point to that, but football has changed like every other sport. Relief pitchers in baseball used to be an anomoly, now they have specialists that only throw to left handers in the sixth inning. The game has changed.

[GlassOnion]

Since App St is FBS shouldn't it be North Dakota. Iif they are FCS (playoff eligible or not) App St is NOT an easy choice.

App State is not FBS. They are an FCS transitional team. FCS, transitional. FCS...

And it is an easy choice.

[darell1976]

App State is not FBS. They are an FCS transitional team. FCS, transitional. FCS...

And it is an easy choice.

Thanks, I wasn't sure what they are. I still think UND ranks up there with App St on WR's.

[GlassOnion]

I still think UND ranks up there with App St on WR's.

App returns 3200 yards worth of production, from last year, along with this guy:

http://youtu.be/_Cyv7BabgoI

Loaded at WR, and have a Walter Payton finalist 5th year QB throwing to them. Its a pretty safe bet.

If the QB cant get the ball to a WR, does it really matter how good the WR supposedly is?

[TheRevSFA]

Even in losing Cordell, we still would be up there in WR

[IBleedYellow]

Funny how most NDSU people would say that linebacker is the biggest question mark, mostly because of depth.


Umm, I don't agree with this statement.

[mountaineer in Cane Land]

funny about Apps team this year, normally by this time of the year we would have a really good idea about how good the team is at every position, but with a new HC, DC, position coaches, starting qb coming back from major knee surgery, no running backs with any game day experience, and it looks like freshman starting at some key positions, the only unit that doesn't have question marks, and we know will produce at a high level is the wr position.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Umm, I don't agree with this statement.

Craig Bohl does.

[Thundar]

I still think UND ranks up there with App St on WR's.


really??

[F'N Hawks]

really??
If you actually look into its not that unreal. Appy State's are probably better when you combine the QB with them. UND's stats are right there with Appys, however.

[GlassOnion]

If you actually look into its not that unreal. Appy State's are probably better when you combine the QB with them. UND's stats are right there with Appys, however.

Looking at returning receiving production, App is about 3200, looks like UND is at 2500.

App also appears to have more depth, loaded with Srs, Jrs, and Sophs.

Sean Price was also ranked 6th in the nation in his first year, while missing 2 games.

Returning 10 of 11 on offense can only help chemistry. Throwing in the QB as you say, makes it a fairly easy choice. JJ was a Walter Payton Finalist last year, and started all but 1 game injured. He had surgery in the off season.

[F'N Hawks]

Looking at returning receiving production, App is about 3200, looks like UND is at 2500.

App also appears to have more depth, loaded with Srs, Jrs, and Sophs.

Sean Price was also ranked 6th in the nation in his first year, while missing 2 games.

Returning 10 of 11 on offense can only help chemistry.

Splitting hairs at this point.

UND has 2,900 in strictly WR yards returning and 25 TD's. 3 of them are seniors.

Appy has roughly 3,100 yards returning and 21 TD's.

[HailSzczur]

I would put Villanova's RB group in the Top 5 in the country atleast.

Kevin Monangai (Jr): led the CAA in rushing as a Sophomore with 1210 yds and 11 TDs on 212 carries
Austin Medley (Jr): had 402 yds on 74 carries before battling injuries the 2nd half of the season
Jamal Abdur-Rahman (RS So): Was supposed to be the starter over Monangai and Medley until he was suspended for the season by coach Talley. Was heavily recruited by FBS teams, and chose Nova over Maryland. Averaged 7.7 ypc in limited action in 2011. Ran for 119 yds and 2TD on 7 carries vs Delaware

Technically not a RB, but also throw QB John Roberston (RS So) in the mix as well. John ran for 1021 yds and 14 TDs on 189 carries.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

I would put Villanova's RB group in the Top 5 in the country atleast.

Kevin Monangai (Jr): led the CAA in rushing as a Sophomore with 1210 yds and 11 TDs on 212 carries
Austin Medley (Jr): had 402 yds on 74 carries before battling injuries the 2nd half of the season
Jamal Abdur-Rahman (RS So): Was supposed to be the starter over Monangai and Medley until he was suspended for the season by coach Talley. Was heavily recruited by FBS teams, and chose Nova over Maryland. Averaged 7.7 ypc in limited action in 2011. Ran for 119 yds and 2TD on 7 carries vs Delaware

Technically not a RB, but also throw QB John Roberston (RS So) in the mix as well. John ran for 1021 yds and 14 TDs on 189 carries.

This is it. When backs share carries you lose the wow factor. Flanders, Zenner, Bell all get most of the carries so their numbers look really good whereas Crockett and Ojuri from NDSU are both 1000 yd backs but split carries.

[GlassOnion]

Splitting hairs at this point.

UND has 2,900 in strictly WR yards returning and 25 TD's. 3 of them are seniors.

Appy has roughly 3,100 yards returning and 21 TD's.

Fine, throw the hair splitting out. App has a Payton Watch list QB throwing to a Payton Watch list WR, besides two other All-Americans in the WR corps.

[Professor Chaos]

App State's WRs also play in a conference where defense exists.

[BEAR]

QB...

Wk. Opponent Att. Comp. Yards TD INT Carries Yds TDs Avg Rec. Results
Montana State Totals: 431 284 3159 24 11 136 380 5 2.8 0 11-2
Central Arkansas Totals: 427 277 3103 31 9 109 449 3 4.1 9-3

Talk about SIMILAR!!!!!!! Both QBs minus the TDs that favor Smothers, are dead even!

[NoDak 4 Ever]

App State's WRs also play in a conference where defense exists.

I was trying to stay away from the Big Fluffy comments but yep. 'tis true.

[F'N Hawks]

App State's WRs also play in a conference where defense exists.

Got me there. If there is one thing the SoCon is known for its defense.

[GlassOnion]

And UND didn't really set the world on fire with their run game either. App's WR corp put up better stats, and App had a 1368 yard rusher to boot. Without the sack yardage, App's QB would be nearly even with UND's leading rusher, who only rushed for 580.

[F'N Hawks]

And UND didn't really set the world on fire with their run game either. App's WR corp put up better stats, and App had a 1368 yard rusher to boot. Without the sack yardage, App's QB would be nearly even with UND's leading rusher, who only rushed for 580.

Maybe we should move on to the kicking game next and you can tell us how that relates to WR play. You covered every other position in our talk that was strictly about WR's. :)

And no the running game didn't do jack ***** last year. Bad.

[GlassOnion]

Maybe we should move on to the kicking game next and you can tell us how that relates to WR play. You covered every other position in our talk that was strictly about WR's. :)

And no the running game didn't do jack ***** last year. Bad.

Well football is a team sport but I would still be interested in hearing your opinion on how the passer and running game are NOT related to WR production.

[PaladinFan]

Well football is a team sport but I would still be interested in hearing your opinion on how the passer and running game are NOT related to WR production.

Well, at UTC, the running game, WR, and QB are a one man band.

[GlassOnion]

Well, at UTC, the running game, WR, and QB are a one man band.

Yes, and UTC is always the rule rather than the exception. Except when it comes playoff time, when they are "excepted."

[Apphole]

Since App St is FBS shouldn't it be North Dakota. Iif they are FCS (playoff eligible or not) App St is NOT an easy choice.

It really is. ND doesn't have a player of the same caliber as Price, nor do they have depth at the position that would make a BCS powerhouse blush.

App is absolutely loaded at WR. Likely top 25 of any subdivision.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

as expected.


xslapfightx

[fmrbearkat]

This is it. When backs share carries you lose the wow factor. Flanders, Zenner, Bell all get most of the carries so their numbers look really good whereas Crockett and Ojuri from NDSU are both 1000 yd backs but split carries.

Flanders gets most of the carries huh??? We had around 750 rush attempts last year and Flanders got 288 carries....wouldn't say that's even close to most of the carries!

Not only did he split alot of snaps with keyshawn hill and ryan wilson in the backfield we also had sincere and bell getting alot of carries!!

[Sam_Kats]

Beat me to it. Flanders' main problem is not getting any carries in the 3rd & 4th quarters.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Flanders gets most of the carries huh??? We had around 750 rush attempts last year and Flanders got 288 carries....wouldn't say that's even close to most of the carries!

Zenner had 300 carries
Bell had 269 carries

Would you argue that they aren't all feature backs? Who is the other back in their offense?

Ojuri had 215 carries
Crockett had 194

[IBleedYellow]

Zenner had 300 carries
Bell had 269 carries

Would you argue that they aren't all feature backs? Who is the other back in their offense?

Ojuri had 215 carries
Crockett had 194

Zenner had 13 games to do this in. The other teams had 15.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Zenner had 13 games to do this in. The other teams had 15.

Yep, forgot about that.

Bell only had 11

[Sam_Kats]

The point I'm trying to make is that while Flanders definitely leads the way for our running backs, he doesn't shoulder NEAR the load of team carries that Zenner & Bell do. Flanders gets 38% of our carries while Zenner carried it 62% of the time & Bell 63%.

Although I'm not even sure what we're arguing anymore.

Come on Aug 31!!

[NoDak 4 Ever]

The point I'm trying to make is that while Flanders definitely leads the way for our running backs, he doesn't shoulder NEAR the load of team carries that Zenner & Bell do. Flanders gets 38% of our carries while Zenner carried it 62% of the time & Bell 63%.

Although I'm not even sure what we're arguing anymore.

Come on Aug 31!!

You're arguing that Tim Flanders isn't Sam Houston's main running back.

[Sam_Kats]

Nope. Simply stating he's not as big a part of Sam's offense as Zenner/Bell are to their teams. Get it??

[SU DOG]

I going to offer my "homer" opinion here and say that at the Safety position - combining both Free and Strong, Samford will be hard to top. Our free safety is on most everybody's AA list, so Jaquiski Tartt is a known commodity. This year, however, I believe that R-Soph. Trey Wesley at the strong safety spot, will be claiming honors by the season's end. The former Scout 2** from Hiram GA has been a beast in camp. He is extremely fast, intercepts anything close, and delivers a crushing blow.

[Sam_Kats]

Jaquiski Tartt

BEST NAME IN FCS FOOTBALL.................Now THAT we can agree on, right??

[darell1976]

Well football is a team sport but I would still be interested in hearing your opinion on how the passer and running game are NOT related to WR production.

The thread is by position therefore you look at only WR's not RB's or QB's. RB's have nothing to do with a WR catching a ball or dropping a ball down field.

[THE HERD]

If our D-line isn't number one as well, then we are at least top three in the FCS. In my opinion our Dline is our strongest unit on the field and it is because of our Dline that our linebackers and secondary look that much better. Don't get me wrong our linebackers and secondary are very very good as well, but without the Dline eating up blocks and getting to the qb they wouldn't look nearly as good.

[Mr. C]

Thanks, I wasn't sure what they are. I still think UND ranks up there with App St on WR's.

Do you have three guys (Sean Price, Tony Washington and Andrew Peacock) that have been selected to various preseason All-American teams and some incredible depth (Malachi Jones, ex-Oregon player Taccoi Sumler etc.) behind that trio? Do you have a guy like Sean Price that broke a bunch of Randy Moss records and was the College Sports Journal co-freshman of the year? Do you have anyone like Tony Washington that is expected to be among the players chosen in the next NFL draft? Hardin in particular is good, but a lot of FBS teams do not have ASU's depth at wide receiver, which is easily the best in school history.

[Mr. C]

My pick for best offensive line might be Towson, with Eric Pike, Doug Shaw and Randall Harris all making the CSJ preseason All-America team.

[darell1976]

Do you have three guys (Sean Price, Tony Washington and Andrew Peacock) that have been selected to various preseason All-American teams and some incredible depth (Malachi Jones, ex-Oregon player Taccoi Sumler etc.) behind that trio? Do you have a guy like Sean Price that broke a bunch of Randy Moss records and was the College Sports Journal co-freshman of the year? Do you have anyone like Tony Washington that is expected to be among the players chosen in the next NFL draft? Hardin in particular is good, but a lot of FBS teams do not have ASU's depth at wide receiver, which is easily the best in school history.

We have one preseason all-American but I didn't say we were better than App St. We rank right up there.

[frozennorth]

i think NDSU will have the #1 oline by midseason. Might have the best backfield as well once you take depth into account.


We have one preseason all-American but I didn't say we were better than App St. We rank right up there.

app is way above everyone. Stop trying to argue it, it isn't close, even if UND is top-5 like i think they are.

[Bisonator]

Meh, NDSU is loaded and has the best players at every position. Case closed let's move on to App and GSU going FBS again....xcoffeex

[Thundar]

We have one preseason all-American but I didn't say we were better than App St. We rank right up there.


what?? 1 Pre season voted AM? and your ranked right up with App St??? you were dropped on your head as a child


wow, definition of Delusion

[geaux_sioux]

Do you have three guys (Sean Price, Tony Washington and Andrew Peacock) that have been selected to various preseason All-American teams and some incredible depth (Malachi Jones, ex-Oregon player Taccoi Sumler etc.) behind that trio? Do you have a guy like Sean Price that broke a bunch of Randy Moss records and was the College Sports Journal co-freshman of the year? Do you have anyone like Tony Washington that is expected to be among the players chosen in the next NFL draft? Hardin in particular is good, but a lot of FBS teams do not have ASU's depth at wide receiver, which is easily the best in school history.
Do you have anyone 6'3" 240 lbs like Jameer Jackson that can run like a deer and block for his teammates on screens like a TE? It takes 3 guys to bring him down every time he touches the ball. Kenny Golladay will be Sean Price like this year, he just won't get thrown to as much as Price because we don't throw the ball nearly as much as people think. Do you have a possession receiver like Blair Townsend who, as a fourth option, had 11 first down catches against Montana? I'll put Golladay and Jackson up against your #2 and #3 any day of the week, and they're only SO.

Compare the stats, I'll take UNDs top 3 over Apps.

http://www.goasu.com/fls/21500/StatsHTML/football/2012/teamcume.htm

http://www.undsports.com//fls/13500/stats/football/2012/TEAMCUME.HTM?DB_OEM_ID=13500

[darell1976]

what?? 1 Pre season voted AM? and your ranked right up with App St??? you were dropped on your head as a child


wow, definition of Delusion

Just because they weren't voted a preseason all American doesn't mean they aren't good, and yes I rank UND's Wide receivers up there with App St.

No I wasn't dropped on my head as a child I think my IQ dropped since I moved to Bisonville.

[Twentysix]

Just because they weren't voted a preseason all American doesn't mean they aren't good, and yes I rank UND's Wide receivers up there with App St.

No I wasn't dropped on my head as a child I think my IQ dropped since I moved to Bisonville.

Hey now, you are better than a cheap shot like that.

[344Johnson]

Do you have anyone 6'3" 240 lbs like Jameer Jackson that can run like a deer and block for his teammates on screens like a TE? It takes 3 guys to bring him down every time he touches the ball. Kenny Golladay will be Sean Price like this year, he just won't get thrown to as much as Price because we don't throw the ball nearly as much as people think. Do you have a possession receiver like Blair Townsend who, as a fourth option, had 11 first down catches against Montana? I'll put Golladay and Jackson up against your #2 and #3 any day of the week, and they're only SO.

Compare the stats, I'll take UNDs top 3 over Apps.

http://www.goasu.com/fls/21500/StatsHTML/football/2012/teamcume.htm

http://www.undsports.com//fls/13500/stats/football/2012/TEAMCUME.HTM?DB_OEM_ID=13500

Mind explaining the lack of production by the mighty UND WR corps in their game against Montana State? A team with that much quality at the position surely should be able to muster more than 9 first downs...

[Tribe4SF]

Looking at the Safety position I'll take W&M's group. Three of the four will frequently be on the field together.

Jerome Couplin...Sr....6'2" 215
Ivan Tagoe...Jr...6'1" 220
Jared Velasquez...Soph...6' 205
Frank Tamakloe...Jr...6'3" 195 (Transfer from Wisconsin)

[Catatonic]

Tough to beat Montana's OL, IMO. They're not only massive, but very athletic as well. When you rush for 400 yards in a game w/out an option offense, you know they're doing something right.

LT: Danny Kistler Jr., 6-8, 315
LG: Jordan Hines, Jr, 6-4, 291
C: Kjelby Oiland, Jr, 6-4, 290
RG: William Poehls, Sr, 6-8, 340
RT: Trevor Poole, Jr, 6-5, 290

ACU has a pretty beefy front five. Not sure we can match you on athleticism however.

lt: Blake Spears ( Sr. 6'7" 300)
LG: Colton Carnes (JR 6'2" 300) or Garrett Langthorp (Sr. 6'3" 290)
C: Tyler McIntosh (JR. 6'0" 300)
RG: Josh Perez (Sr. 6'1" 300)
LT: Will Latu (Sr. 6'4" 305)

[Apphole]

Do you have anyone 6'3" 240 lbs like Jameer Jackson that can run like a deer and block for his teammates on screens like a TE? It takes 3 guys to bring him down every time he touches the ball. Kenny Golladay will be Sean Price like this year, he just won't get thrown to as much as Price because we don't throw the ball nearly as much as people think. Do you have a possession receiver like Blair Townsend who, as a fourth option, had 11 first down catches against Montana? I'll put Golladay and Jackson up against your #2 and #3 any day of the week, and they're only SO.

Compare the stats, I'll take UNDs top 3 over Apps.

http://www.goasu.com/fls/21500/StatsHTML/football/2012/teamcume.htm

http://www.undsports.com//fls/13500/stats/football/2012/TEAMCUME.HTM?DB_OEM_ID=13500

xlolx You can take your top three over App's top three. I would be content retaining three better players.

We're talking about three NFL draft picks here in Price, Peacock and Washington backed up by receivers that would start over any player in the BSC.

I'll leave you with video footage that will shock you out of your delusions. This is a first rounder if he can keep his dumb ass out of trouble.

Sean Price's freshman year highlights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cyv7BabgoI

[F'N Hawks]

Lets leave it alone. Appy threw for 260 yards against Montana and that 'horrible' Big Sky defense last year. I dont know how UND could possibly compare to that. (Searching for UND-UM boxscore......)

[F'N Hawks]

And to be honest, UND does not.have near the pro prospects that Appy has and Appy is better as a whole. But it wasnt a massive difference, as the stats show.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

Everybody knows that the OP just posted his opinion, right?

[blueballs]

I'm somewhat hesitant to inject myself into the pizzing match between UND and App, but for my money Price is the best WR to grace the field at Paulson since Shannon Sharp, a that includes Marcus Colston, Brian Quick, and Terrell Hudgins. That guy is a difference maker, and I doubt very seriously UND has anybody like that.

[F'N Hawks]

I'm somewhat hesitant to inject myself into the pizzing match between UND and App, but for my money Price is the best WR to grace the field at Paulson since Shannon Sharp, a that includes Marcus Colston, Brian Quick, and Terrell Hudgins. That guy is a difference maker, and I doubt very seriously UND has anybody like that.

Nobody is doubting his talents. He is damn good.

[Bisonator]

Everybody knows that the OP just posted his opinion, right?

STFU this is just getting good! xshhhx

18044

[Grizalltheway]

I'm somewhat hesitant to inject myself into the pizzing match between UND and App, but for my money Price is the best WR to grace the field at Paulson since Shannon Sharp, a that includes Marcus Colston, Brian Quick, and Terrell Hudgins. That guy is a difference maker, and I doubt very seriously UND has anybody like that.

As far as WRs who have played against the Griz (in my memory), the only one that beats Price is Barden, who's now tearing it up on Sundays.

Actually, Brandon Kaufman was pretty unstoppable, too.

[PaladinFan]

I'm somewhat hesitant to inject myself into the pizzing match between UND and App, but for my money Price is the best WR to grace the field at Paulson since Shannon Sharp, a that includes Marcus Colston, Brian Quick, and Terrell Hudgins. That guy is a difference maker, and I doubt very seriously UND has anybody like that.

Best I've seen at Paladin Stadium was Hudgins. That guy was like Calvin Johnson unstoppable against Furman.

Quick was talented, but he was pretty much molested by Ryan Steed all day. Colston played at Furman in 2004 or 2005. He was a heckuva player, but completely misued by Hofstra. If he wasn't getting the ball, he took plays off. Easy to defend that.

[PaladinNation]

I agree Samford has top shelf talent S… but I think Furman will give them a run in 2013 as the top safety tandem.
Greg Worthy 6-1 215 SS 209 career tackles
Marcus McMorris 6-0 200 FS backup last season, still produced; 30 tackles, including three for-loss, and two sacks...recorded a 52-yard interception return for a touchdown.

FYI… this is a position that Furman is really investing in when you included the new Furman position nickel-back with the safeties Furman has 9 underclassmen, that will see action as backup at these three positions.

[NoDak 4 Ever]

STFU this is just getting good! xshhhx

18044

agreed. kind of fun watching the Whioux tangle with another fan base.

[UNDColorado]

agreed. kind of fun watching the Whioux tangle with another fan base.

It really is refreshing!

[UNDColorado]

My gut tells me that UND is at minimum top 3 in FCS for receiving, but since Price is out for at least a couple games I will say UND.

Hardin currently has scouts from 5 or 6 NFL teams at practice watching him. All American as a JR and seems to have put the work in to have an even better year.

Jameer Jackson is a beast and was a Freshman All American..if not that he was on some other all freshman team last year as a RFR.

Kenny Golladay is around 6'4" and makes one handed grabs look easy. He played as a true freshman, and had some ankle issues so was playing a lot of the year injures. He is now stronger and faster.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVfmnvd9fzY

There are a couple more that are good but we'll stick with the top three.

[Sam_Kats]

So, who IS the premier football school in North Dakota?? :D

[NoDak 4 Ever]

So, who IS the premier football school in North Dakota?? :D

Valley City State.

[darell1976]

Valley City State.

I thought is the new University of Jamestown.

[frozennorth]

So, who IS the premier football school in North Dakota?? :D

depends on which argument you find more convincing. UND fans think they are #1 because they have the all time lead in the series (62-45-3, iirc) and won most of the last 10 games in the series.

NDSU thinks they are #1 because they have 10 titles, and 10>1.

[UNDColorado]

MSU- Bottineau Lumberjack Lumberjacks baby!

[darell1976]

depends on which argument you find more convincing. UND fans think they are #1 because they have the all time lead in the series (62-45-3, iirc) and won most of the last 10 games in the series.

NDSU thinks they are #1 because they have 10 titles, and 10>1.

Not to derail the thread but UND fans were saying their WR ranks up there with App St.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

So, who IS the premier football school in North Dakota?? :D


Trinity Bible College

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

xlolx You can take your top three over App's top three. I would be content retaining three better players.

We're talking about three NFL draft picks here in Price, Peacock and Washington backed up by receivers that would start over any player in the BSC.

I'll leave you with video footage that will shock you out of your delusions. This is a first rounder if he can keep his dumb ass out of trouble.

Sean Price's freshman year highlights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cyv7BabgoI



UND's trio is good but Appy's WR corp looks damn good and very athletic.

Appy State = #1 WR corp in FCS

[frozennorth]

Not to derail the thread but UND fans were saying their WR ranks up there with App St.

which is absolutely ludicrous. Being ranked #2 doesn't mean you are 'up there' if the team that ahead of you is a mile ahead.

[IBleedYellow]

I still maintain my Georgia Southern vote since those mofos burn you when it counts.

Galaxy S4

[geaux_sioux]

UND's trio is good but Appy's WR corp looks damn good and very athletic.

Appy State = #1 WR corp in FCS

I hope you guys get an up close and personal look at our weapons at wr this year.

[BisonFan02]

I hope you guys get an up close and personal look at our weapons at wr this year.

xlolx

xcoffeex

[geaux_sioux]

xlolx

xcoffeex

It's not really a threat. I just hope we make the playoffs. If we do the travel savings are too obvious for the NCAA to pass up.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

I believe Delaware may be in the running for the best RB and best WR corp in the FCS this year, but there's a lot to prove on the field.

Last year we suffered from unprecedented injury levels, and had an offense which our CAA competition seemed to have figured out before we ran each play.

New year, new coach, new playbook, and a ton of talent. I'm excited to see where this goes.

[Southern Bison]

I just hope we make the playoffs.

That's been the _ND Whioux mantra for every season in the past 118 years! xlolx Only 1 year it truly panned out for them.

App State has a receiving corps that rivals most FBS schools and as long as their QB and new coach can get them the ball, look for App to roll through the SoCon. I would've loved to see App meet up with NDSU but the fates wouldn't allow it.

[skinny_uncle]

That's been the _ND Whioux mantra for every season in the past 118 years! xlolx Only 1 year it truly panned out for them.

App State has a receiving corps that rivals most FBS schools and as long as their QB and new coach can get them the ball, look for App to roll through the SoCon. I would've loved to see App meet up with NDSU but the fates wouldn't allow it.
Ill State didn't allow it last year. App lost to the Deadbird team you beat by 18 earlier in the season.

[seantaylor]

GSUs RBs are tops in FCS.

[skinny_uncle]

GSUs RBs are tops in FCS.

Definitely their strong point.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I hope you guys get an up close and personal look at our weapons at wr this year.


I hope so.

UND's defense was horrible last year and if they haven't made significant improvements then nothing will change compared to last year.... a .500 season or worse. EWU - Montana - Montana State - Northern Arizona - SDSU will rip UND's defense apart if they haven't vastly improved.

UND's WRs are talented but there needs to be a running game also.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

As a unit IMO, the NDSU offensive line has to be a top-5 squad in FCS. Very good depth also. That is where the Bison offense starts and it looks like the O-line will be very good for years to come.

[GlassOnion]

Ill State didn't allow it last year. App lost to the Deadbird team you beat by 18 earlier in the season.

And it had nothing to do with the WRs. Most teams would expect to win putting up 380 yards passing and scoring 37 points. The App secondary was just too depleted to hold.

[Sioux24/7]

After watching Sean Price highlights, no one on UND compares to him. App State appears to safely have the #1 receiving core as most have said. UND may be top 5 but no where close to App State. Hopefully Bartels/Mollberg can get the ball to Hardin, Jackson, and Golladay.

[geaux_sioux]

So Montana fans, how impressive were those App St WRs? I know they didn't have Price but they are 'that deep'.

[clenz]

Don't know about unit but David Johnson is the single best rb in the fcs

quando omni flunkus moritati

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

So Montana fans, how impressive were those App St WRs? I know they didn't have Price but they are 'that deep'.

Passing offense is a team effort with OL, QB, and receivers involved.

[BlueHenSinfonian]

Don't know about unit but David Johnson is the single best rb in the fcs

quando omni flunkus moritati

It'll be fun to see who breaks out over the season.

I'll need to see more against stronger opponents, but Delaware is in the running for the deepest selection of RBs. All of them saw action against Jacksonville, Pierce with 101 yards, Laing with 99 yards, and Randolph with 87 yards. Add in another 88 rushing yards from various receivers used in special plays, and our ground game was firing on all cylinders.

[uofmman1122]

So Montana fans, how impressive were those App St WRs? I know they didn't have Price but they are 'that deep'.Like Clenz said, it was a total offensive failure on their part (mostly because we shut them down, but still).

When their receivers got in space, they looked good, but they don't come close to the terrible three from EWU we saw last year.

[clenz]

It'll be fun to see who breaks out over the season.

I'll need to see more against stronger opponents, but Delaware is in the running for the deepest selection of RBs. All of them saw action against Jacksonville, Pierce with 101 yards, Laing with 99 yards, and Randolph with 87 yards. Add in another 88 rushing yards from various receivers used in special plays, and our ground game was firing on all cylinders.
That is damn good depth.

We don't have that right now. We have DJ, and a bunch of players who have a lot of talent (highly touted as a recruit) but not a ton of experience from any of them.

In 25 games DJ has 34 touchdowns.....to make that stand out a little more - he didn't start as a freshman and split a ton of time with Carlos Anderson

[blueballs]

I don't see how anybody can argue GSU doesn't have the best stable of runners.

They led the nation in rushing last year and and will do so again this year. They had two runners go over 1200 yards. Saturday night saw 12, yes 12, backs get carries. 9 players had over 25 yards. Of those 9 backs 8 of them had TD's and 5 had over 70 yards.

Also, consider they had a kid who had multiple 100 yard games last year who didn't dress out. I'll put it another way too... the MVP of the FL/GA HS all star game two years ago is third string.

[F'N Hawks]

App State's WRs also play in a conference where defense exists.
Cannot believe the greatest WR's in FCS history only had 205 yards against a team that plays in a conference where defense doesn't exist. They were missing 1 NFL draft pick but still had two more NFL draft picks playing with an All-American QB. All that and they only put up 6 big ones - strange. :)

[Grizalltheway]

Cannot believe the greatest WR's in FCS history only had 205 yards against a team that plays in a conference where defense doesn't exist. They were missing 1 NFL draft pick but still had two more NFL draft picks playing with an All-American QB. All that and they only put up 6 big ones - strange. :)

xthumbsupxxthumbsupxxbowx

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Like Clenz said, it was a total offensive failure on their part (mostly because we shut them down, but still).

When their receivers got in space, they looked good, but they don't come close to the terrible three from EWU we saw last year.

Or our top 3/4 this year. ;)

[uofmman1122]

Or our top 3/4 this year. ;)
Not scurred. xcoffeex

[F'N Hawks]

which is absolutely ludicrous. Being ranked #2 doesn't mean you are 'up there' if the team that ahead of you is a mile ahead.

I think we have already found out who is "miles ahead" of who (almost like I knew what I was talking about). Coach Stig backs me up in his post game comments.

xbowx

[BisonBacker]

I think we have already found out who is "miles ahead" of who (almost like I knew what I was talking about). Coach Stig backs me up in his post game comments.

xbowx

keep patting yourself on the back for those moral victories. Yep you went toe to toe. If SDSU had left Zenner in the game and not taken him out when they were up by 21 you wouldn't even have a "toe" to hold onto xlolx

[F'N Hawks]

keep patting yourself on the back for those moral victories. Yep you went toe to toe. If SDSU had left Zenner in the game and not taken him out when they were up by 21 you wouldn't even have a "toe" to hold onto xlolx

Talking about receivers, that's all. Topic at hand. xrolleyesx

[robsnotes4u]

...Ahemmm. I wouldn't say it's "easy". There are three guys up north that look pretty damn good. Whether the freshman QB can get it to them is another story.

I agree totally on the Receivers, UND without a doubt. Quarterback could be Eastern Washington

[robsnotes4u]

App state 205 yards no TD's first game, 311 and 3 TD'S second game, total of 506 yards and 3 TD's.. That is against two teams. ND put up 437 and 3 TD's against the #6 team in the country, that arguably is the best defensive conference in FCS. This week we can compare after the Montana and UND game. Last years stats mean nothing or we could compare how many yards UND put up against Montana last year vs yours this year. No contest

[darell1976]

This was on UND football's FB page:


After two weeks, WR Greg Hardin leads FCS Football in receiving ypg (185.0) and all-purpose ypg (242.0) #NDproud (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/ndproud)